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Lavrov accused the West of preparing another "Ukrainian scenario"

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Western countries are trying to implement another “Ukrainian” scenario in the Balkans, putting pressure on the countries of the peninsula. This was announced by the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov in an interview with the newspaper Serbian Telegraph.


Lavrov accused the West of preparing another "Ukrainian scenario"


The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, in particular, said that at present the West is making persistent attempts to turn the Balkan region into another bridgehead against Russia. At the same time, the actions of Western politicians are exactly the same as the “Ukrainian” scenario. From the countries of the region, as well as from Ukraine in the 2013 year, they insistently demand to make a choice between Moscow and Washington with Brussels, as if they do not understand what tragedy this can lead to in the example of modern Ukraine.

Lavrov noted that Belgrade is under strong pressure, but in this difficult situation Serbia confidently opposes it and maintains an independent course that presupposes mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia. Moscow highly appreciates the actions of the “Serbian brothers,” he added.

Earlier it was reported that the European Union is "deeply concerned" with Serbia’s military cooperation with Russia and Belarus. In addition, the EU recommended that Belgrade more often coordinate its policy with the European and act "in the European vein".
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  1. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 17 November 2018 16: 08
    +36
    An announcement appeared at Stellenbosch University in South Africa, the text of which would not be embarrassing to place in every educational institution in the world as a reminder of how important education is:

    The destruction of any nation does not require atomic bombs or the use of long-range missiles. All that is required is a decrease in the quality of education and the resolution of cheating by students in exams.

    Patients die at the hands of such doctors. Buildings collapse at the hands of such engineers. Money is lost at the hands of such economists and accountants. Justice is lost in the hands of such lawyers and judges.


    The collapse of education is the collapse of a nation
    1. 210ox
      210ox 17 November 2018 16: 12
      +10
      I agree with this thesis. Just how does it relate in this case with Serbia?. Does it apply in general to any country, including ours, but not to the topic of the article.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 17 November 2018 16: 21
        +4
        Serbia. And Serbia is simply sorry, sorry for the people, sorry for the culture. They are now very good. and very good unsweetened. The pressure from the West exerts pressure on them, the leadership is oriented towards the European Union, the people (seemingly) do not want to lose touch with Russia. Here and understand what they want specifically? Does anyone know?
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 17 November 2018 16: 51
          +6
          Phil77 (Sergey):
          Serbia. And Serbia is simply sorry, sorry for the people, sorry for the culture. They are now very good. and very good unsweetened. The pressure from the West exerts pressure on them, the leadership is oriented towards the European Union, the people (seemingly) do not want to lose touch with Russia. Here and understand what they want specifically? Does anyone know?

          Serbia has been living in the regime of "off scale" pressure of the collective West since 1990, since the collapse of the SFRY. From the beginning of pressure on Belgrade during the disintegration and civil war, the so-called. sanctions, demands for refusal to support the Krajina and Bosnian Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia, the wars in Kosovo and Metohija since 1998, until the NATO aggression in 1999, the bombing of cities and the introduction of a NATO contingent in KosMet. and the color revolution of 2000 (Bulldozer Revolution), which resulted in the removal of S. Meloshevich, the final partition of the FRY in 2006 (Montenegro and Serbia instead of the Union State) and the independence of Kosovo in 2008.
          They hold on and continue to believe in Russia's help, despite the Yeltsin-Kozyrev period of betrayal.
          That
          Lavrov noted that there is strong pressure on Belgrade, but in this difficult situation, Serbia confidently confronts him and maintains an independent course, assuming mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia. Moscow appreciates the actions of the "Serbian brothers", he added.

          1. Phil77
            Phil77 17 November 2018 17: 01
            -4
            It’s great to help. But there wasn’t a statement from the authorities of Serbia. Alas. Once again I’ll write, they don’t know which chair to sit on. They’re choosing ...
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 17 November 2018 22: 50
            +1
            Quote: Pax tecum
            Hold on and continue to believe in Russia's help,

            Only this remains. In the two thousandth brigal they raised the alarm, it was just in Serbia that the battle was brewing and Kosovskaya was brewing, the Russian General Staff decided this with his throw. But at the same time we deployed our battle formations in the Kubinka area with echelons of batteries in the Andreichikov area
            At the same time, when the 2nd and 3rd divisions took up the defense of Moscow, the division 1 and the command post in Kubinka decomposed with their materiel, the tedious training for the mechs began "entering and leaving the trawl, aviation. The anti-aircraft missile brigade was completely ready for war. , on the second or third day, internal guards from paratroopers appeared. I so realized that it means that the Tulyaks and I will be thrown into battle, and there our dear Kantiks will come up, breaking through the corridor. Dreams, dreams ... what is your sweetness?
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 17 November 2018 23: 30
              +1
              When we were brought out later and we drove our anti-missiles and anti-aircraft into cold, boring boxes, concrete boxes, we were waiting for the exit to Emba like decoys. The division was preparing about six months before the hot events. All divisions were prepared, but somehow the command I asked for a working infa that I’ll take a second or another one. It was usually the case that the commander of the Sukhoi Military District arrived a day before departure, sat down, chopped food with the kids, talked at the table with divisional numbers like an ordinary castle platoon //// Only the stars of the Colonel General especially woe whether it’s in front of ours. /// Then it was already decided //// however everyone knew about this secret //// that such and such division number was going to the training ground And the stars of our chief were sanctified by regular rocket launches. Sometimes they lurked, completely disappeared from the face of the earth, but the silence of the landfill was suddenly torn apart by a flash of a suddenly revived PU pulley. Suddenly, the whole area trembled, because. there was not a separate start-up lurking, but the position of the battery.
        2. iaroslav.mudryi
          iaroslav.mudryi 17 November 2018 21: 17
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          Serbia. And Serbia is simply sorry, sorry for the people, sorry for the culture. They are now very good. and very good unsweetened. The pressure from the West exerts pressure on them, the leadership is oriented towards the European Union, the people (seemingly) do not want to lose touch with Russia. Here and understand what they want specifically? Does anyone know?


          On the situation in Serbia there is no in-depth analysis of the situation, but there are scattered articles in open sources. What do we know? The West is putting great pressure on the Serbian authorities to refuse any cooperation (military primarily) with Russia, and to drag them into the EU and NATO through Kosovo’s recognition by Serbia. We highlight some interesting points:
          1) Russia has undertaken obligations to rearm the army of Serbia, and at no cost. The modernization of the Serbian forces can be divided into two stages. The first stage involves the supply of Russian fighters, tanks and armored vehicles, the second - air defense systems, including S-300.
          2) By the end of 2018, the Serbian Armed Forces will receive 14 fourth-generation MiG-29 multipurpose fighters, 30 T-72 S tanks, 30 BRDM-2 tanks, as well as two Buk air defense missile systems divisions (including 12 missile launchers and about 15 units of auxiliary equipment).
          3) At the end of August 2017, information appeared about negotiations on the supply of S-300 air defense systems. It is very likely that air defense supplies will be delivered in the 2018 year.
          4) After the events when a high-ranking Serbian politician Marko Djukanovic was captured by Kosovo special forces, Vladimir Putin sharply condemned the illegal actions of Kosovo.
          5) Russia plans to permanently deploy its military base in the south of Serbia in the city of Presevo with Iskander missile and tactical complexes, from where it reaches London.
          6) Presevo is located exactly on the highway, according to the plan, the high-speed railway being built with the participation of China and the Turkish Stream gas pipeline should pass.
          7) November 17, 2018. Lavrov: "Turkish Stream" can pass through the territory of Serbia.

          In general, the information is for consideration, and Serbia, which continues to sit on two chairs, will have to make a choice.
          Sources:
          https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4129723
          https://mamlas.livejournal.com/6059032.html
          http://www.grso.ru/articles/rossijskaya-voennaya-baza-v.html
          https://marc-aureli.livejournal.com/356642.html
          https://inosmi.ru/politic/20181116/244022960.html
          https://tass.ru/ekonomika/5803869
          https://news-front.info/2017/12/08/chtoby-ostanovit-razdel-serbii-neobhodimo-rossijskoe-voennoe-prisutstvie/
          https://topwar.ru/112194-kakoy-rossiyskiy-podarok-serbii-ne-daet-sosredotochitsya-nato-na-balkanah.html
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 18 November 2018 09: 40
            +1
            and Serbia, which continues to sit on two chairs, will have to make a choice

            No choice! There will be points 1) - 7) and then entry into NATO
      2. Machito
        Machito 17 November 2018 17: 02
        -3
        Kosovo - Serbia.
        New Russia - Russia.
        The European Union is a fascist.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 17 November 2018 17: 13
          +1
          Dear Borodach! Well, I'm sorry, these are beautiful poster slogans. Let's get closer to the real, huh? Do not mind?
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          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 18 November 2018 10: 54
            -2
            All former Yugoslav republics of NATO welcome and are entering slowly.

            This is what haunts the Kremlin. And how cynical Lavrov is about Ukraine. They themselves squeezed Crimea, brought troops into the Donbass, and now they are destabilizing in Ukraine, which they themselves created to try to scare the world.
            This Kremlin wanted to do something similar as in Ukraine with Montenegro, but it did not work out.
            And now that Serbia, which, in view of the ambitions of "Great Serbia", did not give freedom to other republics, is itself on the threshold of NATO membership.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 14: 39
            0
            Quote: Turnright
            it is a kind of Russia for Ukraine

            so you return the alien and the flag of independence in your hands
            1. Tarhan
              Tarhan 18 November 2018 15: 12
              -2
              so you return the alien and the flag of independence in your hands

              That's how the godfathers talk in the zone. From a position of strength. Having started on the laws. 5 robbers are also robbing you of something, and having taken away brushing their teeth through teeth, waving knives and pistols - Well, you’ll be turning back. This is the first.

              The second one. What to provide you with a map of Russia of the 14th century? So it will be the current Golden Ring.

              In modern times, the Russian Federation recognized the borders of Ukraine, based on the administrative borders of the former USSR, in 1996 - the Budapest Agreement. And in 2003 the "Treaty
              Between the Russian Federation and Ukraine
              On the Russian-Ukrainian state border "signed by Putin and ratified by the Duma of the Russian Federation in 2004.

              And all this was violated in 2014. And cynical was that by the Budapest agreement,RUSSIA, England, France, the USA guaranteed the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine and its territorial integrity, in exchange for this Ukraine brought its nuclear weapons to Russia.

              Even if Ukraine retained five missiles, Russia would not dare for 2014. Possible damage would be unacceptable to Russia.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 19: 06
                +2
                Quote: Tarkhan
                Jumping on the laws

                why spitting?
                By the way, you really like to refer to friendship agreements, the Budapest memorandum (non-ratified), so re-read these agreements, according to them you are NOBODY all the guarantees of the borders that you have not entered into the CIS, so forgive the borders with the Russian Federation
                Quote: Tarkhan
                Even if Ukraine left five missiles

                are you real ?!
                sorry, but only a child or an idiot can carry such nonsense on a military site. FIVE ROCKETS, THIS IS Nothing, for a threat, but a death sentence for a menacing
                1. Tarhan
                  Tarhan 18 November 2018 20: 59
                  -3
                  so re-read these contracts, under them you are NOBODY all guarantees of borders

                  Liar

                  "Memorandum on security guarantees in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. 1994."

                  1. Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm to Ukraine their commitment to respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act.
                  2. Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America Reaffirm their commitment to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine and that no weapons thereof will ever be used against Ukraine, except for self-defense or in any other manner in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
                  3, Russian Federation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm to Ukraine their obligation, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion aimed at subordinating to its own interests the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty, and thereby secure advantages of any kind.
                  4. Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek urgent action by the UN Security Council to assist Ukraine as a non-nuclear-weapon non-proliferation treaty state party to Ukraine if it becomes a victim of an act of aggression or is threatened with aggression using nuclear weapons.

                  The agreement was concluded in 1994, which means that the borders of Ukraine must be respected, what they are at the time of signing.

                  "Treaty between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the Russian-Ukrainian state border. January 28, 2003"

                  Also defines the border according to the administrative border of the USSR. (See the appendix to the contract for yourself)

                  FIVE ROCKETS, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING

                  Destroy Ukraine at the cost of nuclear destruction of the Voronezh and Ryazan regions of the Russian Federation is UNACCEPTABLE.
                  1. Tarhan
                    Tarhan 18 November 2018 21: 13
                    -2
                    Budapest memorandum
                    Memorandum on Security Guarantees in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
                    Type of agreement memorandum (English) Russian, international document [1]
                    Date of signing December 5, 1994
                    • Place Flag of Budapest Hungary
                    Entry into force - from the moment of signing

                    Ratification is not necessary.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 21: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Tarkhan
                      Ratification is not necessary.

                      Before you write nonsense, study the laws
                      FEDERAL LAW ON INTERNATIONAL TREATIES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                      Article 15. International treaties of the Russian Federation subject to ratification
                      1. The international treaties of the Russian Federation are subject to ratification:
                      ...
                      c) on the territorial delimitation of the Russian Federation with other states, including agreements on the passage of the state border of the Russian Federation, as well as on delimitation of the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of the Russian Federation;
                      d) on the fundamentals of interstate relations, on issues affecting the defense of the Russian Federation, on disarmament or international arms control, on ensuring international peace and security, as well as peace treaties and collective security treaties;
                      ...
                      read develop
                      1. Tarhan
                        Tarhan 19 November 2018 08: 35
                        -3
                        Before you write nonsense, study the laws

                        So why did you bring this? What are you driving a fool?

                        Treaties and memoranda are different diplomatic documents. Therefore, the Budapest Memorandum comes into force from the moment of signing. But the 2003 border treaty has already been ratified by the Duma.

                        You mean it, justifying the violation of international laws. That is, appeal gangster CONCEPTS.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 November 2018 11: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Tarkhan
                        So why did you bring this? What are you driving a fool?

                        Treaties and memoranda are different diplomatic documents.

                        Article 2. Use of terms
                        a) "international treaty of the Russian Federation" means international agreementconcluded by the Russian Federation with a foreign state (or states), with an international organization or with another entity with the right to conclude international treaties (hereinafter referred to as another entity), in writing and regulated by international law, regardless of whether such an agreement is contained in one document or in several related documents, as well as regardless of its specific name;

                        If you
                        Quote: Tarkhan
                        Treaties and memoranda are different diplomatic documents.

                        how old are you, you carry such nonsense
                        By the way, if you completely get to the bottom of the letter, then the memorandum is not mandatory at all

                        After disputes between the UK and the USA on the legal status of a Memorandum of Understanding, there is a growing tendency to use the name Memorandum for optional (non-contractual) documents, as a result of which the legal status of Memoranda has become completely unclear and confusing.
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 21: 49
                    +2
                    ANY treaty of the Russian Federation which says about external borders is MANDATORY ratified by the Duma, this treaty would not be ratified, by the way, not only by us, IN THE GARDEN
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    Destroy Ukraine at the cost of nuclear destruction of the Voronezh and Ryazan regions of the Russian Federation is UNACCEPTABLE.

                    CHILD again, digging missiles for air defense systems is not that the probability of defeat is 0,000000 (0)
                    1. Tarhan
                      Tarhan 19 November 2018 08: 39
                      -4
                      CHILD again, digging missiles for air defense systems is not that the probability of defeat is 0,000000 (0)

                      This is snobbish-imposing - child, young. They don’t see a person, they don’t know him, but for some reason they necessarily consider their interlocutor younger than themselves. And this imaginary seniority is presented as an argument of their innocence.

                      It is already unacceptable to bring one bomb to Rostov on a wooden "Maize".
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 November 2018 11: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Tarkhan
                        This is snobbish-imposing - child, young.

                        sorry if you are older than me, then what moderators can say about you will not be missed
                        Quote: Tarkhan
                        It is already unacceptable to bring one bomb to Rostov on a wooden "Maize".

                        that's why I called you a child, if you are an adult then forgive me ... you are not very smart saying this
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 19: 10
                +1
                Quote: Tarkhan
                The second one. What to provide you with a map of Russia of the 14th century? So it will be the current Golden Ring.

                So what?!
                Russia took it all as a result of its growth, but Ukraine itself did not take anything, ALL the territory or was given to it as part of the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, again within the common borders of the state, by the way, you never existed as a state at all, it is not a state to slash, this is "cake"
                1. Tarhan
                  Tarhan 18 November 2018 21: 18
                  -4
                  Russia took it all as a result of growth,

                  In the present, there is no question of what and what happened before. They come from today's realities, today's states, today's borders.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 November 2018 21: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    today's states, today's borders.

                    Yes?!!!!
                    who told you that?
                  2. bukhach
                    bukhach 19 November 2018 02: 28
                    +1
                    Tell this to your masters when they tore Yugoslavia. But in general, in my opinion, the more you stubborn you are, the better, in case of war there will be no one to spare. And we do not expect pity from you.
            2. turn right
              turn right 20 November 2018 04: 11
              0
              It became alien only as a result of the aggressive actions of these countries in different periods of history, the territory of Ukraine was actually divided between Poland and the Russian Empire, and what was "annexed" was just an internal reformatting of the administrative division at that time, but the main thing is that at the end In the end, in 91, Ukraine was recognized within these borders by both the Russian Federation and the whole world.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 17: 37
        -1
        Quote: 210ox
        I agree with this thesis. How does it relate in this case to Serbia?

        He practically can neither relate to nor touch with Serbia. This principle shows that Russia has come to such a line in international relations when, through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it can only express deep regret and extreme concern on any occasion.
        About this way ...
    2. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 17 November 2018 19: 50
      0
      Quote: ancestors from the Don
      The collapse of education is the collapse of a nation

      After the launch of our satellite in 1957, the situation in US education was declared a national threat,
      an act on safety in education was adopted, which guaranteed free education at universities to all capable. What are we doing?
    3. Fanis
      Fanis 17 November 2018 23: 52
      +1
      Quote: ancestors from the Don
      The collapse of education is the collapse of a nation

      Faster if America collapsed in education - so that there would no longer be a collapse of nations in the world ...
  2. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 17 November 2018 16: 14
    +4
    Quote: ancestors from the Don
    The collapse of education is the collapse of a nation

    I completely agree with you. The bureaucrats would understand this, blessedly believing that everything is “good” with us! And closing their eyes to the real state of affairs.
    1. Alexey Novikov
      Alexey Novikov 17 November 2018 16: 53
      -6
      What specifically bureaucrats? Name, Fact - in the studio.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 17: 47
        +6
        Quote: Alexey Novikov
        What specifically bureaucrats? Name, Fact - in the studio.

        Look for the full names and "facts" yourself, the beggars have no servants, but as a teacher's father, I will tell you that these are the people who abolished the system of Soviet secondary, vocational and higher education, giving scoundrels and mediocrities with thick wallets the right to receive paid higher education without knowledge of the subject and practice, in order to then save on medicines for children and food for state employees. And it is also that scum that put the school teacher in the framework of the terpily, which any small, bastard, not formed personality can substitute for dismissal.

        I did not understand why the teachers were not on strike. Now I know. Their problems concern only themselves, and in order to earn more, one must go into commerce.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 17 November 2018 18: 03
          0
          Yes, I’m sure, I won’t find it, the troll is probably, dear!
        2. Alexey Novikov
          Alexey Novikov 17 November 2018 18: 23
          -2
          Well, that is, you have nothing to say on the specifics, only some lengthy outlines and pathos phrases.
        3. stalki
          stalki 17 November 2018 19: 59
          0
          Ross xnumx
          absolutely agree with you, teachers are in the position of slaves, no respect for people. Teachers owe everything, and parents on the side. In a Soviet school, parents participated in the educational process, listened to what they were advised, and now parents and children bend their fingers. And the tips themselves are distributed. There is no career guidance, with rare exceptions, tests and exams are one name. Pseudo-professional institutions pretend to give secondary specialized education. State orders for technical professions can be said no.
  3. taiga2018
    taiga2018 17 November 2018 16: 20
    +5
    Well, if they cook, then everything will work out for them, since it happened in a neighboring country, then in a country that does not have a common border with us, all the more ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 17 November 2018 16: 34
      +2
      So it was about this that the respected Ancestors from the Don wrote about the level of education. Destroy education and everything, the ethnic group can be lost! Add, or head the body in charge of the education of the country you need!
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 19 November 2018 12: 05
        0
        Phil77, do you personally (or together with the Ancestors from the Don) have something against Mladen Sharchevich? If anything - Minister of Education, Science and Technological Development in the second government of Vučić, Serbia.
        Or just tell you?
  4. iouris
    iouris 17 November 2018 16: 32
    +1
    Lavrov, despite his Georgian-Armenian origin, cannot even call the Transcaucasian direction of the Foreign Ministry's policy successful. There is a well-known principle: "If you cannot do, teach how to do. If you cannot teach, teach how to teach." It's time, my friend, it's time ... for a scientific memoir work.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 17 November 2018 16: 41
      0
      Well, honestly, I’m trying to find something successful in the actions of the Foreign Ministry. So, I don’t know. Unless his famous phrase, you know who you are.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2018 16: 46
        0
        And remember how four years ago Lavrov was eulogized here?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 17 November 2018 16: 52
          0
          Gra! And you try to predict the movements of our powers that be?! Today it’s so, and tomorrow, well, quite the opposite! No?
          1. Alexey Novikov
            Alexey Novikov 17 November 2018 17: 16
            -1
            So you somehow decide what you are talking about - then about Lavrov, then about the powers that be. Schizophasia on the march.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 17 November 2018 17: 23
              0
              And you, dear, excuse me, what kind of regiment will you be? Just don’t write that of the blue cuirassiers, frets? Yes, and minus something if the opinion is not to your liking is not worth it, right!
              1. Alexey Novikov
                Alexey Novikov 17 November 2018 18: 27
                -1
                And this is absolutely no difference. Well, boldly - yet you somehow decide what you are talking about - then about Lavrov, then about the powers that be.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 17 November 2018 17: 43
              0
              Schizophasia, please specify. Where, when, with whom? And what exactly do you define by this term. Do not be shy, here are all your own. I ask!
        2. You Vlad
          You Vlad 17 November 2018 17: 50
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          And remember how four years ago Lavrov was eulogized here?

          And you remember how they used to send us almost three letters before! And now they are listening to the voice of Moscow! Do not touch Lavrov, this is a professional and you cannot judge him, you just can’t understand! I am writing this to everyone who wants to send him to rest angry
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 17: 52
        -1
        Quote: Phil77
        The result, well, I don’t know. Unless his famous phrase, you know who you are.

        You can blame Lavrov and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs as much as you like, but it’s not his fault that he conducts in the world just such a foreign policy, which the president and the government ask him. Diplomats - they are literate uncles and aunts, but dependent - what they say, they will do it. Autonomy is not welcome here ...
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 17 November 2018 17: 58
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Diplomats - they are literate uncles and aunts, but dependent - what they say, they will do it. Autonomy is not welcome here ...

          Yeah, Putin is to blame for everything, but the Communists ... yeah, and you will have paradise wink
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 17 November 2018 18: 32
            0
            Quote: You Vlad
            Yeah, Putin is to blame for everything ...


            Not for profit, but only by the will of the current Constitution of the Russian Federation:
            1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state.
            2. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In the manner established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, he takes measures to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation, its independence and state integrity, provides the coordinated functioning and interaction of public authorities.
            3. President of the Russian Federation in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws defines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state.
            4. President of the Russian Federation as head of state represents the Russian Federation domestically and in international relations.

            request
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 17 November 2018 19: 18
              +2
              So what is he to blame for, you never told! Your message was transparent, but
              Quote: ROSS 42
              that he is pursuing such a foreign policy in the world

              Good, huh? smile
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 18 November 2018 04: 17
                -1
                Quote: You Vlad
                Good, huh?

                Judging by the number of consonants, recognizing Crimea as ours is not very. But stop I repeat, no one (no country) has ever been able to achieve respect by blushing. You can talk about halva for as long as you want, but you won’t add sweets in your mouth.
                Diploma - activity of heads of state, government and special organs of external relations to implement the goals and objectives of the foreign policy of states, as well as to protect the interests of the state abroad.

                There simply cannot be any gag. Therefore, I say that no significant claims can be made against Lavrov's department. Unlike others, they are not ashamed of. They have not tainted themselves with anything. Only they cannot "knock on the rostrum" of the UN Security Council if the state itself is not behind them. And what does our state oppose to harsh anti-Russian propaganda and Russophobia? Can you name the practical steps that stopped this process?
                Conclusion: The Foreign Ministry is a mouthpiece in the speaker’s hands. It can be loud and loud, but reinforces only someone else's speech. The Foreign Ministry, led by Lavrov, is an excellent mouthpiece. The speech he enhances is foggy and contradictory. For it is impossible to negotiate with the enemy behind the ally. This is not diplomacy, but intrigue. In addition, diplomacy is part of politics, and not internal - with clumsy turns and crazy ideas, but external - emasculated and measured. Well, politics is:
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 17 November 2018 17: 59
          -1
          Ha, are you hinting at yourself ?! You are, alas, right !!!
    2. Alexey Novikov
      Alexey Novikov 17 November 2018 16: 55
      +2
      Did someone ask him to name something, or do you again, by tradition, put your nonsense into the mouths of others? )
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 17 November 2018 17: 10
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      Lavrov, despite his Georgian-Armenian origin, cannot even call the Transcaucasian direction of the Foreign Ministry's policy successful. There is a well-known principle: "If you cannot do, teach how to do. If you cannot teach, teach how to teach." It's time, my friend, it's time ... for a scientific memoir work.

      Are you probably a fan of Glavmidovets Kozyrev who now lives in Miami? Well, yes, nobody could bring down the interests of the state, except perhaps Klimkin vna Urkaine.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2018 17: 16
        +6
        There was one more ... Shevardnadze .. I don't want to give a damn.
      2. iouris
        iouris 17 November 2018 21: 30
        -1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        You are probably a fan of Glavmidovets Kozyrev

        You, apparently, do not know who was the deputy of the Miami Kozyrev.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 17 November 2018 16: 39
    +5
    The European Union is "deeply concerned" about Serbia's military cooperation with Russia and Belarus.
    ... Almost all the Balkan countries in NATO in the EU, except for Serbia and Macedonia, will not deal with the latter .. There is already all the preparations for these actions .. Serbia, the center of Europe, remained .. they still haven’t completely reached ... Reach, Serbia will not stand ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 17 November 2018 16: 54
      0
      It will not stand, the authorities there are already almost a liberal.
  6. Vikentiy
    Vikentiy 17 November 2018 19: 36
    0
    In our Army, such chiefs as Lavrov were called "fixators", and what his Ministry of Foreign Affairs and personally his chief Lavrov did in order to forestall, solve in our favor at least one "problem", how much we can surrender all our friends and not solve these "problems "at the cost of the lives of our Soldiers!
  7. akudr48
    akudr48 17 November 2018 20: 28
    +2
    West showed what tragedy can this lead to following the example of modern Ukraine.

    Not recognizing the Donbass, Russia has contributed to this tragedy and continues to contribute its considerable part. Either you, as a country, speak and do what you say, or you are silent in a rag and do not scoop anywhere. Russia in the Donbass said that it would protect the Russian people, but did not do what it said, and hid behind the Minsk process.
    And Russians from Ukraine to their citizenship in Russia, accepts worse than Tajiks, with hatred.

    You cannot hide cowardice in foreign policy, which is why they also see the whole picture in the Balkans of what Russia represents as an ally.
    And now it only remains that it is powerless to point out Western attempts in the Balkans and express regret.

    Yes, and you must be able to wage a war of words, and this does not work, everywhere you hear some kind of justifying babble, searches for external reasons, and not a weighty word of a great country. They squandered international weight and respect, and no Lavrov will correct anything.

    The guarantor even switched to sign language, he began to show his fingers without words, first the thumb, then others will be used as the last word of international politics. Mute foreign policy, by concepts ...