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Another squadron of Su-34 will go to the armed forces

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By the end of the current 2012, the next squadron of the newest Russian Su-34 front-line bombers will be available to the Voronezh base (Western Military District), which will gradually replace Su-24 aircraft.

According to the State Armaments Program for the Air Force of the Russian Federation, a total of about 140 of Su-34 front-line bombers will be purchased. At the first stage of procurement 92 modern vehicles will be purchased, then the group will be increased to 124 aircraft, and in the future, the total number of Su-34 front-line bombers will reach 140 units in the Russian Air Force. The complete replacement of the obsolete Su-24 in the Russian Air Force will occur in a planned manner throughout the 8 years before the 2020 year.

As the aircraft enters the troops, engineering and design work is underway, which will increase its combat potential. So, in particular, the latest airborne self-defense complex is being developed, and new types of missile weapons are being created: air-to-surface, air-to-ship, and air-to-radar missiles. The increased capabilities of the Russian Su-34 front-line bomber will allow it to become a carrier of extended-range missiles, which, in turn, will provide an opportunity to build up nuclear deterrence forces, which are part of the strategic aviation Air Force of the Russian Federation.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 1 June 2012 12: 49
    +18
    Oh cool plane! How much noise he made in the war with Georgia! And he was then only one!
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 1 June 2012 12: 59
      +16
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Oh cool plane! How much noise he made in the war with Georgia! And he was then only one!

      And what noise did he make? I don’t pin up, but really interesting, can I link?
      In general, I liked how the Georgian "made a splash", this is when Mishiko played in a production based on the works of M.Yu. Lermontov "timid Georgians fled"

      1. Tersky
        Tersky 1 June 2012 13: 06
        +42
        Quote: Aleksey67
        And what noise did he make?

        Alexey, in August 2008, we had only one Su-34 aircraft in Georgia. And he alone suppressed all air defense on the territory of Georgia. Alone, in spite of the fact that Georgia was helped by NATO countries, using their satellite constellation, and from the territory of Turkey, using AWACS (early warning radar) E-3C "Sentry" systems. This allowed Georgia to switch its air defense systems to radio silence, and turn them on only when needed, remaining invisible to our reconnaissance means, using target designation from abroad. And, despite this, the Su-34, on the second day of the war, deprived Georgia of its air defense.
        And the news is HUGE PLUS!
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 12
          +6
          Thank you Victor for the clarification. drinks
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 1 June 2012 13: 16
            +6
            Quote: Aleksey67
            Thank you Victor for the clarification.

            Alexei, Seryozha corrected me a little, so thank him too !! drinks
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 1 June 2012 14: 11
              +5
              Quote: Tersky
              Seryozha corrected me a little, so thank him too !!

              Victor, Sergey is in my "favorite" smile I already have a reflex, like Pavlov's dog, I developed when I look at his photo and read the comments, the hand regardless of the brain "+" puts wassat Probably become a zombie lol
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 14: 28
                +7
                Quote: Aleksey67
                Victor, Sergey is in my "favorite"


                So is it good or bad? +! recourse

                It seems to be neglected, it’s all on the topic and on the case, although some are .... request

                It is clear that you will not please everyone and not everyone loves the truth, but ... a matter of principle !!!
              2. Tersky
                Tersky 1 June 2012 14: 39
                +3
                Quote: Aleksey67
                Victor, Sergey is in my "favorite"

                Completely for !!, "his posts are never empty" drinks (even I didn’t understand myself, I was drawn to rhyme feel , aaaaaa ... friday fellow , bath-glass day, drinks !!!
        2. VAF
          VAF 1 June 2012 13: 34
          +11
          Quote: Tersky
          in August 2008, we had only one Su-34 aircraft in Georgia


          Victor, you are wrong, + !!! drinks

          Two-strike and support (the main strike unit in IA, IBA, FBA-PARA - as the law of war says - BUFBA (BUIBA) !!!

          First board number 01


          The second side number 46
        3. KAZAK67
          KAZAK67 1 June 2012 14: 02
          -2
          And whose air defense shot down 8 of our Stalinist falcons?
          1. VAF
            VAF 1 June 2012 14: 09
            +9
            Quote: KAZAK67
            air defense shot down 8 of our Stalinist falcons?


            Six!!!
            1. Cadet787
              Cadet787 1 June 2012 19: 14
              -1
              And they were not shot by timid Georgians, but by Ukrainian brothers
              1. marshes
                marshes 1 June 2012 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: Cadet787

                And they were not shot by timid Georgians, but by Ukrainian brothers

                Of course it’s sad, but don’t talk about everyone.
                If you have the opportunity, give the names.
                1. Cadet787
                  Cadet787 1 June 2012 20: 26
                  0
                  Bolt.
                  I do not mean the whole Ukrainian people, but those calculations that shot down Russian planes. In my opinion on NTV, Arkady Mamontov showed a film about these traitors with the names and addresses of the apartments they received, for the perfect betrayal of the Slavs and how much they were paid. And sorry, accidentally minus, I’ll correct
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 1 June 2012 20: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Cadet787

                    Bolt.
                    I do not mean the whole Ukrainian people, but those calculations that shot down Russian planes. In my opinion on NTV, Arkady Mamontov showed a film about these traitors with the names and addresses of the apartments they received, for the perfect betrayal of the Slavs and how much they were paid

                    Imagine it is not easy! It was not long ago, there was a desire to transport relatives, by mother, to myself, but from the sale of apartments they can only ten hundred square meters and overpower the construction of a small house, in our city, or rather.
                  2. Marat
                    Marat 1 June 2012 23: 52
                    +3
                    I, too, am against any comments provoking negativity between the key peoples of Eurasia - the potential of our future Union - and have always opposed anti-Ukrainian rhetoric

                    But here you Kadet are essentially right - you said nothing new - we all know that traitors from among the "Westerners" fought on the side of the aggressor and world "imperialism" against all of us
              2. Cadet787
                Cadet787 1 June 2012 20: 14
                -4
                That the truth hurts the eyes, and yet it is true, everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts.
                You will answer me for Sevastopol. (K-m Brother-2).
                1. marshes
                  marshes 1 June 2012 20: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Cadet787

                  That the truth hurts the eyes, and yet it is true, everyone will be rewarded according to their deserts.
                  You will answer me for Sevastopol. (K-m Brother-2).

                  Honestly, I don't care, I'm Kazakh, but if you have something to show to people who are gray at the remote control, show it. But you don't need to "sew" to the entire Ukrainian people. It's not as easy for them as you might think.
                  At the expense of Sevastopol, there is no legal basis for a review of tenure rights.
                  When will you live by the laws?
                  1. Cadet787
                    Cadet787 1 June 2012 20: 59
                    -3
                    swamps. Honestly, I nevermind, I'm Kazakh.

                    Then you do not need to be a judge, we will figure it out without your help. do you really have no other business?
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 1 June 2012 21: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: Cadet787
                      we can figure it out without your help. do you really have no other business?

                      Imagine no, but I can't stand "squabbling". Especially after the torture of obedience. Any insulting word said against the inhabitants of Ukraine, alienates the union.
                      After the dismissal, I have a lot of free time, especially since I have my own business.
        4. Neighbor
          Neighbor 1 June 2012 16: 34
          +3
          And in our Urals - by 2014 - will appear !!! We look forward to it! drinks
          Quote: Tersky
          And, despite this, the Su-34, on the second day of the war, deprived Georgia of air defense.

          1 ??? And what kind of equipment was installed on it? belay 100% - some kind of secret development - not having ANALOGUES in the world - another years ....... twenty !!! yes drinks
          Quote: Tersky
          in Georgia we had only one Su-34 aircraft. And he alone crushed all air defense in Georgia

          BEAST!!! am I respect - I have this car !!! yes Rather, we are like that - in Chelyabinsk - NECESSARY !!! laughing drinks
          Quote: Two-punch and collateral - yes even that! DOES NOT MATTER!!! Destroyed - like snotty puppies! Forgive me - dogs!
      2. VAF
        VAF 1 June 2012 13: 22
        +14
        Quote: Aleksey67
        I don’t pin up, but really interesting, can I link?


        You're welcome:

        http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124050053052052054.html

        1. F751
          F751 1 June 2012 14: 28
          +3
          Thanks for the reference.
        2. Col.
          Col. 1 June 2012 15: 20
          +1
          Quote: veteran.air force
          You're welcome:

          Colleague, can you explain the last sentence in the article?
          ... "will allow it to become a carrier of extended-range missiles, which, in turn, will make it possible to build up the nuclear deterrent forces that are part of the strategic aviation of the Russian Federation Air Force."
          What is that supposed to mean? Su-34, if necessary, can be given to parts of YES?
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 24
            0
            Quote: Colonel
            What is that supposed to mean? Su-34, if necessary, can be given to parts of YES?

            Given the increased range of missiles, launch can be carried out almost over its territory winked
            1. Col.
              Col. 1 June 2012 15: 43
              0
              Quote: Aleksey67
              start-up can be carried out almost over its territory

              In the article, nuclear deterrence is understood as the aviation part of the nuclear triad. Our strategists (Tu-160 and Tu-95) do not yet have missiles with a launch range that allows them to be used (in the United States) from zones above their territory. Moreover, there are no such missiles on the Su-34. And Su-34 are not included in the nuclear triad. So it’s not clear yet this place in the article ...
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 17: 17
                +4
                Quote: Colonel
                In the article, nuclear deterrence is understood as the aviation part of the nuclear triad.


                A little bit wrong - you need to understand this, it’s suitable for use as part of nuclear deterrence forces, and even more so with new missiles!

                And for what? The answer is, so as not to repeat the mistakes of what "CREATED"!
                I hope you remember ???



                Quote: Colonel
                Our strategists (Tu-160 and Tu-95) do not yet have missiles with a launch range that allows them to be used (in the USA)


                I'm afraid to run into, but ..Andrey ... especially for you ... well, and everyone else, of course! fellow

            2. VAF
              VAF 1 June 2012 18: 14
              +5
              Quote: Aleksey67
              start-up can be performed almost over


              Over his, of course, it’s still too early .... but we’ll come to this, certainly !!!

              It cannot be otherwise !!! +++++ !!!!!

          2. VAF
            VAF 1 June 2012 15: 44
            +5
            Quote: Colonel
            What is that supposed to mean? Su-34, if necessary, can be given to parts of YES?


            Andrei, it’s easy, in principle, I already wrote about this. It’s true for a long time. When a topic was discussed with the Tu-22M3 regarding modernization.
            In the early 90s, the topic of retraining from the Tu-22M3 to the Su-34 was in full swing, and they wanted to start with the 52nd Guards Battalion Battalion, then the “poor” pravak and navigator-operators did not know where to look for a place ... but then this "theme" happily "died". 1991 came, then 93 and ... 94 (and further, then it was not up to that at all)!
            Therefore, the Su-34, like no other, is suitable for use as part of a nuclear deterrence force, and even more so with new missiles!

            Yes, I also forgot to point out that I do not lose the hope of restoring the MRA and arming its Su-34 (Su-32FN) Sea Serpent, so this hope is already asking for it !!!!

            Su-32FN with Kh-31 and Alpha anti-ship missiles:
            1. marshes
              marshes 1 June 2012 17: 54
              0
              Dear Sergey, do not you think that the Su-34 will replace the Su-24 and Tu 22m3.
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 18: 43
                +3
                marshes,
                Quote: marshes
                Su-34 will replace the Su-24 and Tu 22m3.


                Everything has its time, the 34th is multifunctional and the range of applications is huge! And about the Tu-22M3 read above in the comment, everything has already been answered
                1. marshes
                  marshes 1 June 2012 18: 57
                  +1
                  Here my brother threw it off. Http://www.ukraviaforum.com/index.php/topic,2061.15.html
        3. Drednout
          Drednout 1 June 2012 16: 44
          +1
          Sergey and Victor, thanks for the pictures. What is not a photo is a postcard straight. I admired it.
      3. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 1 June 2012 14: 34
        +1
        Thank you Alexey, they raised the mood, 5 ++++++++++++++++++++++.
      4. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 1 June 2012 16: 43
        0
        Aleksey67,
        But this


        1. About 100 unguided bombs (apparently 250 or 500 kg), bomb tracks are marked with red lines.


        2. Five hits in the runway.
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 June 2012 19: 23
          +3
          Sith Lord,

          "familiar" Kopitnari !!!
          The score is only two !!!

          4th aircraft, if we assume that the Tu-22M3 has 18 ofab-250-270 (although in one series it counted more than 24 funnels, it can be converted and thrown out of the hatch)

          1. Approach should be carried out at an angle of 15-30 degrees to the runway, and not across (that this is inability, ignorance or lack of experience, youth flies).
          2. A total of 5 hits in the runway, the undamaged part is almost 1800 meters — for the Georgian Su-25s it is quite for take-off and landing.
          3. Virtually not a single hit in the areas of parking lots, fuel and lubricant depots and BP
          4. Apparently, they worked on the signal of the "providing", ie. the slave resets on command from the master.
          So here ... the leading pairs "carried over" and the led ones ... missed ", as a result -" everything is past the snout "! am

          Only two!!!



          And what did you want .... the results of the "reform" of Taburetkin, or. As the VOROBEY-face says about the table !!!

          This is not "in the exercise" - MiG-29 versus MiG-31 in air combat and everything is STRUGGLE!
          Here you have the result of these URYA teachings, who are trying to deceive ....
          I goof, honestly! crying
      5. tungus
        tungus 1 June 2012 17: 49
        +2
        The result of the Su-34 attack on the Georgian 80K6 radar near Gori. laughing
    2. VAF
      VAF 1 June 2012 13: 07
      +8
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      And he was then only one!


      +! But two shock and cover (providing target designation, reconnaissance and electronic warfare equipment)
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 1 June 2012 13: 14
        +4
        Quote: veteran.air force
        But two shock and cover

        Sergey, welcome! I agree!!! One or two (a little less or more), the main result is what !!! drinks
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 18
          +7
          Who said that one in the field is not a warrior.

          At least one positive news for today. More of these birds. so that doves of the world are kept in a cage on a leash.
          1. VAF
            VAF 1 June 2012 13: 52
            +4
            Quote: vorobey
            Who said that one in the field is not a warrior.


            I say!

            Forgot about the loss ??? Or to remind ??? How many in 3 (!!!!) days failed ????

            It's not on the computer to play "toys" !!! am
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 45
              +2
              Sergey, I know about losses, so I don’t need to say anything.

              I won’t want to repeat about my attitude to the type of Minister of Defense.

              And what if one and the legs are folded?
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 15: 48
                +3
                Quote: vorobey
                And what if one and the legs are folded?


                No, of course, +! But here it begs ... with a fool you can ... and break!
                Or from a bare well ... to a hedgehog or tank, as you wish!
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 1 June 2012 16: 10
                  +2
                  Sergei. Sparrow muzzle on the table is not grateful and troublesome business. And you strive for everything. We are talking about the same thing but in different words. The management and managers of the Moscow Region and the General Staff must be changed. Air defense for today should be a priority. A tank (I am a tanker and I know weaknesses) can be taken with bare hands.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 1 June 2012 18: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: vorobey
                    Sergei. Sparrow muzzle on the table is not grateful and troublesome business. And you strive for everything.


                    Yes, God be with you, dear, +! I, with all the warmth and tenderness:



                    Quote: vorobey
                    We are talking about the same thing but in different words.


                    It is necessary to speak about the same thing in the same words and specifically !!! drinks
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 1 June 2012 19: 28
                      +3
                      After a hundred grams, I’m not like cats on a tree. Shepherds in unison performed the anthem of aviators. I will teach the fox to sing, the first thing the first thing is the planes.

                      And about my attitude to the General Staff in the next branch.
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 1 June 2012 19: 54
                        +2
                        Serge. I answered you in PM. I shake my hand in response.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 2 June 2012 13: 10
                +4
                Dear Sparrow!
                You still believe in the independence of decision-making by your Minister of Defense!
                The question is not in it, I think the question is in the created system!
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 4 June 2012 09: 29
                  +1
                  Alibek, if my phrase like Minister of Defense type characterizes him as an independent figure, I am silent. The mere fact that Medvedev - like the supreme one, reported to him during the Georgian campaign and not vice versa made him spit.
        2. VAF
          VAF 1 June 2012 13: 50
          +8
          Quote: Tersky
          The main result is what !!!


          The result could have been 1000 times better if the "reforms" according to Taburetkin had not done their "dirty" deed !!!!

          Thank God that they did not "get" to the helicopter pilots and did not have time to "reform" the only thing left for group protection and support .... in the breakthrough zone .... but in the flight zone ... alas, there is nothing left !!! fool

          1. Tersky
            Tersky 1 June 2012 14: 08
            +4
            Quote: veteran.air force
            The result could be 1000 times better

            Seryozha, the main thing is the final result of those events wink , of course, it is desirable to learn from other people's mistakes, well, they can’t pass the same rake without us, they will certainly come. fool
            1. VAF
              VAF 1 June 2012 14: 37
              +5
              Quote: Tersky
              Well, they can’t pass without the same rake without us, they will certainly come.


              Victor, only plus without words +++ !!!! And especially now, the new Academy "ZhuGarina", a new one ..... in Voronezh (????) I do not know how "they will acquire this institution, but everything that was .... is completely dry !!!

              The abandoned (reformed) base of the Irkutsk VATU:



              And so throughout the country ... to the deepest and greatest regret crying

              What is not a "reform" for N, S, Khrushchev ??? am
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 1 June 2012 15: 03
                +4
                Quote: veteran.air force
                What is not a "reform" for N, S, Khrushchev ???

                Yes, I don’t want to remember a bald maize breeder, he blew all the aviation, and what projects were sent to the furnace ..... a madhouse on a state scale
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 1 June 2012 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: veteran.air force
                "ZhuGarina",

                I would add Jan Fabricius
                The Daugavpils Higher Military Aviation Engineering School was transferred to Stavropol in 1993 and to Voronezh in 2009.
              3. 77bor1973
                77bor1973 1 June 2012 16: 11
                +1
                And it all started with BVVAUL, there weren't enough cops then, but such good as pilots, like - "heaps"!
          2. 755962
            755962 1 June 2012 14: 11
            +2
            A handsome man and a warrior who has already managed to prove himself.
          3. Kars
            Kars 1 June 2012 14: 27
            0
            What the hell?
            1. Kars
              Kars 1 June 2012 14: 38
              +1
              They attacked me right away. What kind of x-rotin is in a helicopter? Trophies from shot down Carlsons? This is where my list of assumptions ends, although there may be some kind of jammer.
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 15: 53
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                What kind of x - helicopter renovation?


                Mi-8SMV-PG helicopter
            2. VAF
              VAF 1 June 2012 15: 49
              +3
              Quote: Kars
              What the hell?


              Smalta Complex
              1. Kars
                Kars 1 June 2012 15: 58
                +1
                Quote: veteran.air force
                Smalta Complex

                Thank you.
                Nashol really is not enough.
                http://radiowar.narod.ru/history/smalta.htm
                1. VAF
                  VAF 1 June 2012 19: 26
                  +1
                  Kars,

                  Many and impossible .... secret !!!
              2. 77bor1973
                77bor1973 1 June 2012 16: 17
                0
                EW complex, it seems to be covered up?
                1. VAF
                  VAF 1 June 2012 19: 29
                  +1
                  77bor1973,
                  Quote: 77bor1973
                  EW complex, it seems to be covered up?


                  If this happened, then .... it would be like the Japanese "Wind from the East" (one way ticket)!
                  1. 77bor1973
                    77bor1973 1 June 2012 23: 16
                    +1
                    to blame - "spoiled phone".
    3. YARY
      YARY 1 June 2012 14: 58
      +1
      BRAVO!
      "Duckling" forward !!!
      good
    4. maxbrov74
      maxbrov74 1 June 2012 15: 49
      +2
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Oh cool plane!

      This is not an airplane. This is the newest means of delivering "humanitarian aid" to our potential partners. Let it fly in peace.
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 1 June 2012 12: 51
    +10
    Well, who else will say that We are not investing there. Or is it not ice too? AND?
    1. WOW
      WOW 1 June 2012 12: 57
      +9
      And zhopogolisty write at least in the eye, they will still with voluptuous pleasure continue to hum their mantras, for example, for a seed: not enough, if only in 43 !; there is no armament, it’s fucked that the tactical missile corporation plows like a damn; slow pace, but I would like for the day to restore the industry, which was destroyed 15 years before the foundation. Well, etc., it seems so normal?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 20
        +7
        I, I’ll say all the layouts, delirium and Surkov’s propaganda. They are engaged in postscripts, but in real life there is nothing, and the plant has already been sold, but in general the car is outdated and there are no pilots for it. That's it FE22 or J20 /
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 23
          +12
          Quote: vorobey
          I, I’ll say all the layouts, delirium and Surkov’s propaganda. They are engaged in postscripts, but in real life there is nothing, and the plant has already been sold, but in general the car is outdated and there are no pilots for it. That's it FE22 or J20 /

          You would at least put a smiley, otherwise the newcomers will take you for a permanent inhabitant of Bolotnaya, who posts anti-Putin messages from the picket wassatbeating off kicking OMON soldiers
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 25
            +3
            Alexei, Respect, I thought I would be a provocateur.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 28
              +4
              Quote: vorobey
              Alexei, Respect, I thought I would be a provocateur.

              Well, the old wolf, but on the chaff? smile
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 14: 01
                +11
                Quote: Aleksey67
                Well, the old wolf, but on the chaff?


                The disadvantages of combat survivability of aviation as well as in database planning:

                Significant shortcomings in ensuring the survivability of aviation were noted. These could include:
                - the absence of reconnaissance aircraft capable of conducting detailed radio reconnaissance in real time with high accuracy in determining the coordinates of the radar;
                - the discrepancy between the frequency ranges of the RGS missiles "air-radar" and the radar air defense missile system of Soviet production, the absence of control equipment and target designation;
                - the insufficient number of jammers, their short time in the jamming zone;
                - insufficient height of the maximum ceiling of the flight of helicopters - jammers, as a result of which it was impossible to use them in the mountainous terrain of South Ossetia;
                - the lack of electronic defense of group defense from battle formations at the first stage.

                That is why the planning of the first air strikes, the implementation of special flights was carried out without taking into account and a detailed assessment of the Georgian air defense capabilities in a particular direction for detecting and hitting aircraft and helicopters with guided weapons and anti-aircraft artillery. EW service specialists were not involved in planning the aviation actions to an insufficient degree or not at all. The RTR was carried out irregularly and not by all means, without causing passive and active interference to clarify the electronic environment, the state of the communication and control system, the deployment of RTV and air defense radar systems, and airfield airfields. Space control of the areas of warfare, KP, PU, ​​identified positions of the radar, air defense systems of the Georgian Armed Forces was practically not carried out.
                All this required an immediate intervention in the leadership of aviation by representatives of the Air Force High Command and the development, together with the 4A Air Force and Air Defense Command, of appropriate recommendations for the crews of aircraft and helicopters.
                In order to reduce the combat losses of our aviation, organizational measures began to be widely used:
                - participation in the strikes of aircraft without personal protective equipment was excluded;
                - Su-25 aircraft exited the attack with a massive shooting of heat traps and minimized the operating time at maximum modes;
                - strike aviation was used only under the cover of group means of protection from zones by EW aircraft and helicopters (An-12pp, Mi-8ppa, Mi-8smv-pg) and from battle formations by Su-34 aircraft with new generation EW systems;
                - the use of combat aircraft was carried out at maximum speed and at altitudes excluding the use of MANPADS and anti-aircraft artillery of Georgia.
                Taking into account the recommendations developed during the very first days of hostilities, aviation began to operate on routes with bypassing areas covered by air defense systems (Buk, Osa-AKM), or over areas where they were suppressed, as well as at altitudes of more 3,5 thousand meters and speeds providing optimal conditions for overcoming countermeasures of air defense systems. Widely used exits to targets from directions that were not covered by air defense systems, and repeated attacks from different directions using terrain and smoke screens. A sudden passage of the shelling zones was carried out with the simultaneous execution of a quick anti-aircraft maneuver. Attacks of the target were used “on the fly” at minimum time using the natural thermal background when moving away from the target (towards mountains, clouds lit by the sun). The flight was mastered on different routes to the target and back using demonstrative and distracting groups of aircraft and helicopters. The pilots tried to exclude re-entry from the same course and flights along the same route to the target and vice versa. A combat flight using EW and SAB was carried out, as a rule, under the cover of specially designated groups of aircraft (helicopters), while, whenever possible, they tried to exclude the operation of engines at maximum speed and afterburner.
                With the threat of the use of air defense systems, anti-aircraft and anti-missile maneuvers were carried out with the simultaneous shooting of spent electronic warfare equipment, and in areas of possible MANPADS and when detecting missile launches, as well as when approaching the target and leaving the attack, PPI firing with a series of several rounds was widely used with minimal interval between shootings.
                1. AK-74-1
                  AK-74-1 1 June 2012 14: 10
                  +2
                  Thanks for the detailed explanation. I am glad that the command of the Russian Air Force quickly analyzed the situation and made the right conclusions.
                2. Cadet787
                  Cadet787 1 June 2012 19: 32
                  -1
                  Thanks for the comment, sensibly and intelligibly.
            2. VAF
              VAF 1 June 2012 13: 59
              +8
              Quote: vorobey
              provokashok.


              The reasons for the loss.
              The forces of operational radio and radio intelligence from the Air Force were transferred directly to the GRU General Staff. We have to admit that there was virtually no help from the General Staff of the General Staff of the Air Force intelligence agencies. Under these conditions, the Air Force was forced to act at their own peril and risk. The Air Force, without its own means of operational intelligence, in principle, could no longer have reliable data on the location of active air defense systems of Georgia and the organization of their management. This has become the main reason for the combat losses of our aircraft. But even in these conditions, on the first day of the hostilities, the Osa and Buk air defense systems were already detected on the first day of hostilities by their own electronic reconnaissance equipment of the Air Force EW.
              If the pilots of an aviation group deployed in this area well mastered the combat zone and flights in mountainous conditions, the helicopter crews of other associations deployed to the combat zone were not prepared for flights in mountainous areas, and therefore combat tasks were associated with the risk of crew loss. In addition, the Mi-8smv-pg helicopters were not equipped with personal protective equipment, including MANPADS.
              The electronic warfare of aircraft and helicopters planned for combat use on the territory of Georgia did not fully meet the requirements for providing protection against air defense systems. In addition, given the mountainous terrain, covering EW planes and helicopters with the combat formations of strike aircraft from jamming zones along the entire flight route was simply impossible. It was also necessary to take into account the small working time of the Buk air defense system and the possible modernizations made to include target designation for IR (UV) radiation and optoelectronic guidance in the air defense system.
              With the outbreak of hostilities in the first sorties, the Air Force identified and suppressed up to 5 Osa-AKM combat vehicles, up to two self-propelled guns and one SOC "Buk", as well as S-125 air defense systems. All air defense systems were either completely suppressed, or made unsuccessful attempts to direct the SAM, which was recorded by the operating modes and signal parameters of the air defense systems of the air defense system. During the conduct of hostilities, the Su-34 airborne defense system showed the greatest efficiency.
              EW forces carried out electronic suppression of the Georgian radar 36D6, P-37, 5N87, P-18, 19Zh6, PRV-9, -11, -13, ASR-12 in the areas of the village of Gori, Tbilisi and Marneuli. At the same time, during the electronic suppression of the enemy’s radio electronic equipment, interference was also observed with our radio electronic devices of the 5N84, 5N87, P-18, P-37 type, located 100-120 km from the zone of deployment by An-12pp aircraft.
              An analysis of the combat use of aviation in the early days of hostilities showed that planning for the provision of combat operations by operational groups of aviation and air defense in the South Ossetian and Abkhazian directions was carried out without taking into account the capabilities of Georgian air defense systems and the peculiarities of using their aviation electronic warfare systems to suppress them. Gross errors were made in the formulation of combat missions, which could lead to the loss of covered aircraft, which could only be avoided by the competent actions of the commander of the EW combined squadron.
              An analysis of the combat use of aviation during this period showed insufficient training of the military command and control bodies in planning combat operations in a difficult situation, with active opposition to Georgian air defense.
              The main disadvantages in the organization of hostilities were:
              - underestimating the capabilities of the enemy, the habit of acting according to patterns, a simplified attitude to the planning of military operations, a lack of understanding of the importance of protecting aircraft and helicopters, the lives of crews, the place and role of electronic warfare in the overall combat support system;
              - lack of a detailed analysis of information about the Georgian Air Defense system;
              - the impossibility of the operational use of jammers to provide cover for attack aircraft due to their absence at nearby airfields;
              - stereotyped in the application of strike aircraft: in the first two days of the operation, flights of strike aircraft were carried out strictly along the intended routes with the optimal distribution of levels for flight safety, at speeds not exceeding 800 km / h (to increase the accuracy of bomb strikes), and at altitudes, included in the affected area of ​​the unsuppressed RES of the air defense systems of Georgia.
              In addition, the actions of aviation were characterized by the following miscalculations:
              - the possible location of active air defense systems of Georgia and their detection and destruction zones was not taken into account;
              - no terrain was used;
              - repeated visits were made to targets (and from the same directions);
              - departure from the target was carried out with the inclusion of the maximum operating modes of the engines and the climb of a given level practically in the region of the target;
              - the position of the sun and the objects illuminated by it was not taken into account;
              - anti-aircraft and anti-missile maneuvers were not performed;
              - flight to the targets and back 8 and 9 August was carried out on the same route;
              - tasks for the EW forces were set with gross violations, which could result in the loss of covered aircraft.
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 1 June 2012 14: 16
                +3
                Very upset the news of the lack of interaction of the GRUSHNIK with the Air Force. If the reform of military intelligence has been reduced to the withdrawal of reconnaissance units from the arms and branches of the armed forces, then this is very unpleasant news.
                1. Cadet787
                  Cadet787 1 June 2012 19: 36
                  0
                  And what clever "stooltkin" and his prestibay, "makar" can do, it would be better if he grazed the calves. Strategists are shitty.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 2 June 2012 13: 20
                +2
                very interesting analysis !!
                And the lack of interaction between the GRU and the Air Force became clear to me immediately after the conflict ended, when a group of senior Air Force officers was arrested in Georgia on charges of espionage in favor of Russia!
                That is, Russia had information, they could not use it!
          2. Vanek
            Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 31
            +2
            Quote: Aleksey67
            take you for a permanent inhabitant of the Swamp


            Well, then you and I know who he is (vorobey) for.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 34
              +2
              Quote: Vanek
              Well, then you and I know who he is (vorobey) for.


              For sparrows and other birds laughing
              1. Vanek
                Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 38
                0
                Quote: Aleksey67
                For sparrows and other feathered laughing


                So I, too, Vorobyov Ivan Vitalievich smile
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Vanek
                  I am also Vorobyov Ivan V. .....

                  Open the party "Feathered of Russia", only your patronymic is not V ... who, but V ... h, just don't ask how I guessed, it's a secret winked
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    just don't ask



                    It's all right? laughing
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 44
                +1
                for all birds except roosters and other predatory infection, otherwise we will not be able to breathe for simple sparrows, or run away for half a liter.
                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 46
                  0
                  Quote: vorobey
                  for all birds except roosters and other predatory infection, otherwise we cannot breathe a simple sparrow


                  For a start
                  Quote: Aleksey67
                  Unlock the party "Feathered of Russia"


                  And then
                  Quote: vorobey
                  run for half a liter.


                  laughing laughing laughing
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 52
                    +2
                    I have never been a member, I do not want and I will not. In no party or organization.

                    We, like cats, are proud of ourselves. We are sympathetic.
                    1. Vanek
                      Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: vorobey
                      I have never been a member, I do not want and I will not. In no party or organization.


                      And don’t talk. Not any desire. Absolutely. If only an airplane modeling club in childhood, at school.
          3. VAF
            VAF 1 June 2012 13: 57
            +6
            Quote: Aleksey67
            otherwise beginners will take you for a permanent inhabitant of Bolotnaya


            Aleksey, that's for people like ...... what happens is what happens. as in the 41st we throw their hats:

            Throw it then, but at what cost ??? am

            Georgian Air Defense Scheme (taking into account the US Navy BC which did not take part in the conflict)


            Air Defense of Georgia.
            Radar detection, warning and control of the combat operations of Georgian air defense forces and equipment was carried out by combat control bodies and stationary radar posts according to information from radar 36D6, P-37, 5N87, P-18, 19Zh6, PRV-9, -11, -13, ASR -12, as well as various French-made radars in the areas of n.p. Poti, Kopitnari, Gori, Tbilisi, Marneuli.
            To control the fighting used wired communication lines, radio stations operating in a secure mode of transmission of information, means of communication and data transmission for civilian purposes.
            To identify and open the opposing group of forces, radio and radio reconnaissance equipment and unmanned aerial vehicles of the Hermes type were widely used.
            The strengths of the Georgian air defense system included:
            - high mobility of air defense systems and its separation (the presence of short-range and short-range air defense missile systems, MANPADS, FOR);
            - the presence of professionally trained combat crews of the Buk-M1, Osa-AKM air defense systems (already in the course of military operations, competent organization and skillful tactical use of Georgian air defense systems was noted);
            - mismatch in the frequency range of the Soviet-made Georgian air defense systems of the air defense systems of the Russian aviation with the operating range of the airborne radar radar system of the Russian aviation (existing GOS letters are mainly designed to operate on the NATO air defense radar frequencies, and not by their means);
            - the presence of an optical channel for guiding missiles in the Osa-AKM air defense system, as well as the absence of standard electronic warfare means for individual and group defense in Russian airplanes in the operating frequency range of this air defense system;
            - the presence of a passive warning system and target designation from RTR means of Ukrainian (“Mail”) and American (“SkyNet”) production.
            The weaknesses of the Georgian air defense system could be attributed to the rather low noise immunity of the Buk-M1, Osa-AKM air defense systems, which does not allow them to conduct combat operations in the conditions of active and passive interference, as well as the relatively low spatial characteristics of the SAM zone Osa-AKM ”(range up to 10 km, altitude up to 5 km).
            Thus, the opposition of our aviation on flight routes and in the areas of strike could have:
            - Georgian airplanes of the Su-25 and L-29 type using cannon weapons, free-fall bombs, NURS and R-60 air-to-air missiles with infrared (IR) homing heads;
            - S-125 anti-aircraft missile systems deployed in the areas of Tbilisi, Marneuli, Poti, as well as deployed in the areas of the most important state and industrial facilities and transport communications of the Buk air defense system;
            - MANPADS "Strela-2, -3", "Igla", 57-mm S-60 anti-aircraft artillery guns, 23-mm ZSU type "Shilka" and ZU-23-2 in tactical depth, as well as along the flight route from the ruling heights.
            At the same time, the tactics of using short- and medium-range air defense systems included ambush operations, alternating work with movement, the inclusion of missile guidance radar systems directly at the far boundary of the detection zone, automated control in air defense groups, and target designation from radio intelligence systems and air traffic control radars.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 02
              +3
              Quote: veteran.air force
              Aleksey, here for such as ...... and it happens


              Sergey, are you now shooting me from a slingshot?
              1. VAF
                VAF 1 June 2012 14: 13
                +4
                Quote: vorobey
                Sergey, are you now shooting me from a slingshot?


                If I had "fired", then ... I would have hit 100%, I guarantee! +! good

                Fortunately, there is a good "experience" ... The homeland was confirmed and appreciated .... drinks
              2. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 1 June 2012 14: 17
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                Sergey, are you now shooting me from a slingshot?

                You need to shoot from such and not less

                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 20
                  +2
                  Okay, reassured. Can I stay warm?
          4. konn
            konn 1 June 2012 14: 20
            +1
            his rating is very good for hamsters :)
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 29
              +2
              I have a drum rating. let's swing the epaulettes. Organize admins please. Soon the 4 star will fall, I do not want to be Makarov !!!!!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 14: 54
                +3
                4 Stars — Don't Want To Be A Makarov ?! Oh, Nichrome Sanya, you crap me.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 05
                  +3
                  Sanya, if a bird attacked you, it’s money.
              2. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 1 June 2012 14: 59
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                4 star will fall soon

                Well, how not to remember:
                A star fell from the sky
                Straight in my pants
                Nothing that ... will rise,
                If only there was no war wassat
                No offense, classic drinks
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 15: 08
                  +3
                  In-Alexei, right, otherwise Makarov calls us names. Madoractors in the form of an exceptional exception: the star Vorobyov Alexander Ivanovich.
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 12
                  +2
                  Yes, I already have a drum. I already joked. I’m waiting for the fourth sparrow soon.

                  True, if only there was no war.
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    the star Vorobyov Alexander Ivanovich.


                    Sanya, do not wish such kindness to an outsider. I am not Vorobyov, and not Ivanovich
                    1. Aleksey67
                      Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      the star Vorobyov Alexander Ivanovich.

                      и
                      Quote: vorobey
                      I am not Vorobyov, and not Ivanovich

                      It turns out that in television advertising is also not strong laughing
                      about "Until the first star" did not look
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 29
                        +3
                        And what is television advertising? the truth is not strong.
                      2. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: vorobey
                        And what is television advertising? the truth is not strong.

                        The crap that litter the brains of the Pepsi generation boosts sales profits smile And ischo is the engine (ephemeral) trade lol
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 39
                        +2
                        For some reason I thought that crap is the ground roots of horseradish in tomato,
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 15: 39
                        +1
                        Sasha, there was such a bank "imperial" collected the loot and threw everyone. Early 90s.
                      5. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        , there was such a bank "imperial" collected the loot and threw everyone. Early 90s.

                        By the way, Timur Bekmambetov did an advertisement for them, now in Hollywood
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 15: 32
                    +2
                    Sasha, about joking, 2000 thousands of congratulations, I have only one, alas. As for the star, the main thing the moderators realized to whom to slap the extraordinary.
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 41
                      +2
                      Sanya, thank you. In secret, I hope that he is also a kid. I used to live like in a fairy tale (there was a man who lived and had three sons), and I’ll be like an Abramovich with my football team.
                  3. Aleksey67
                    Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: vorobey
                    I already joked. I’m waiting for the fourth sparrow soon.

                    Sparrows with good heredity do not happen much. good Continue the process of sparrowing Russia yes
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 29
          +3
          Sanya, of course, Surkovskaya, Putin is to blame for everything. 100 years ago, a Tungu meteorite fell in taiga, it would seem that Putin had nothing to do with it, but it turned out .......
        3. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 1 June 2012 14: 08
          0
          Amused however laughing laughing laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 18
      +4
      Vanya, now they must fly with you now. Himself saw them, well, flight tests?
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 30
        +1
        Alexander, I have already said that Chkalov's runway is going "out of town". I have no doubt, maybe they will fly. They go into the fields. Although some instances appear. Serge must know for sure.

        The wife, the infection, still does not tell them (flight) schedule. Pancake.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 37
          +3
          Quote: Vanek
          The wife, the infection, still does not tell them (flight) schedule. Pancake.

          Vanek, proper education, our man good

        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 40
          +1
          It is a pity, I wanted to get first-hand info, so to speak. Okay, wait for Serge.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 58
            +2
            Amateurs who at least lived a little near the military airfield know the flight schedule according to national signs.

            first one. Sparrows and other smaller birds begin to drive hard - barbarians are simple.
            second one. techies on the eve do not stay too long in the chip.
            the third. Fussing and boiling at the airport begins hours of commercials from 4-5 differently
            (there to warm up the engines, change the candles, pump up the wheel) is heard far.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 14: 45
              +2
              Amateurs. Cho call it slazu. It’s visible to the sparrows from above, but we’re not.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 00
                +2
                Yes, I'm with the techies at the same table. Do you know how many crumbs you picked up?
        3. balamut_x
          balamut_x 1 June 2012 13: 58
          +1
          Yesterday Su-24 in the morning cut circles over the suburbs laughing
  3. MILITARY RF
    MILITARY RF 1 June 2012 12: 59
    +3
    Yes, the news is just class .... we need such aircraft .... in 2008 there was a sevolizh 1 such plane but did not shake it, it turned off all Georgian air defense
  4. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 1 June 2012 13: 02
    +6
    There is no doubt that the car is super! It is necessary to invest in aviation and as it should.
    Cars went, we will pump up frames and forward!
    Like in a song: tremble bourgeois, the last battle has come ....
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 1 June 2012 13: 09
      +3
      Yes, there were shots before, but they won’t start flying.
    2. VAF
      VAF 1 June 2012 14: 20
      +4
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Cars went, we will pump up frames and forward!


      Valera, no doubt, the cars will be, but the frames .... recourse the old ones are leaving, and the youth are still growing and growing, unfortunately ...... but I don’t want to talk about replenishment at all .... everyone already knows how much and where they are now "teaching" flying "art!

      Summary of the above:

      The active actions of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief and the Air Force and Air Defense Command 4A for command and control of the troops were able to turn the tide, promptly make changes to the training of troops and forces and their combat missions.
      Already on 9.8.2008, the actions were carried out taking into account the capabilities of the Georgian air defense system and under the guise of group defense electronic warfare systems (with a voltage of up to 6-8 sorties per day per crew).
      The commanders of combat aviation crews, helicopters and jamming aircraft showed a high level of training, which allowed, starting from 10.8.08, to avoid the loss of our aircraft.
      The crews of the Mi-8smv-pg jamming helicopters not only successfully carried out cover for attack aircraft, but also carried out a detailed analysis of the composition, tactics of use, and areas of operation of air defense systems in the western part of Georgia.
      Experts of electronic warfare were heard only on the second day of hostilities - after very significant losses of combat aviation and the shock caused by them (and after all, the same Mi-8smv-pg suppresses the Buk-M1 so that it cannot work at all, it was proven back in Germany Hawk and Nike "pressed" on 0 !!).
      Measures are needed to enhance the protection of electronic warfare helicopters - a means of determining the direction, and better of the point, from which small arms fire comes and to increase the armor protection of electronic warfare helicopters.
      In particular, the sheathing of several EW helicopters after performing sorties was very reminiscent of a sieve (the crews were then surprised how they managed to survive after such shelling).
      Very high efficiency showed new means of electronic warfare.

      At the same time, an analysis of the actions of the Air Force in the course of this war forces us to think seriously and draw some unpleasant conclusions.
      And the main one is the Air Force, which is not fully prepared for combat operations in the context of counteracting modern air defense.
      In addition, given the low noise immunity of their similar air defense systems (primarily, RTV radars and military air defense radars), they are not ready to repel modern air attack systems.
      With the opposition of modern enemy air defense systems, combat losses will be significantly higher.

      Air Force pilots continued to fly as during exercises during the hostilities. Aircraft without EW funds were shot down (in particular, all Su-25s lost during the conflict were affected by the Osa-AKM air defense system).
      With regard to competent counteraction to air defense systems, many works have been written, many exercises have been conducted with the development of electronic warfare topics, and various instructions have been developed and approved.
      But the experience was, however, unclaimed.

      In the course of the five-day war, everything that was worked out earlier turned out to be useless - until the higher leadership intervened !!! am
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 56
        +2
        He took and spoiled all the positive from the news. You’re angry Seryoga.
        1. 755962
          755962 1 June 2012 16: 34
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          old ones leave, and young people still grow and grow

          We'll have to, Sergei back at the helm. Seryoga is not angry - "It's a shame for the state."
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 1 June 2012 16: 42
            +4
            Angry, angry. I'm not offenced. Such as a rule and tear the adversaries with their teeth.
            1. VAF
              VAF 1 June 2012 19: 57
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              Such as a rule and tear the adversaries with their teeth.


              IN WAR ... HOW IN WAR +! drinks

          2. VAF
            VAF 1 June 2012 19: 46
            +3
            Quote: 755962
            We'll have to, Sergei back at the helm. Seryoga is not angry - "It's a shame for the state."


            Already too old .... however, +! But for the power .... It's a shame !!!

        2. VAF
          VAF 1 June 2012 19: 42
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          You’re angry Seryoga.


          Not a respected sparrow, here you are mistaken ... not evil, but RIGHT! +! drinks

      2. hrych
        hrych 1 June 2012 18: 13
        +1
        Will our Syrian comrades be able to oppose something to the adversary?
      3. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 1 June 2012 21: 33
        +1
        veteran.air force
        Sergey, I always read your comments with great pleasure.
        Master, in a word ...
        As for the personnel, yes, while it is a matter of seams. Our "smart guys" at the top do not seem to be very much "worried" about this. They still believe that reforms are going in the right direction. Alas and ah ...
  5. Veter
    Veter 1 June 2012 13: 12
    +2
    Quote: Aleksey67
    And what noise did he make? I don’t pin up, but really interesting, can I link?

    It’s also interesting, in more detail.
  6. SASCHAmIXEEW
    SASCHAmIXEEW 1 June 2012 13: 14
    0
    A handsome man that is beautifully done, that in work will not fail Amer maybe like a people and not bad, but the tip of Mr. G is on a stick, however, like with us, and people get on the head
  7. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 1 June 2012 13: 16
    +2
    That's really good news on Friday.
  8. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 22
    +4
    Somewhere in Belarus to place a dozen, and then the Polish torn ripped off with the pro. Maybe she’s finished.
    1. Armata
      Armata 1 June 2012 13: 38
      +3
      Sasha does not flatter Pshekam and one is enough for the squeak of children to begin.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 52
        +3
        Eugene, well, not only for them, there are enough sixes in the geopyrope. And you need to fly over Syria, this will be a squeal.
        1. Armata
          Armata 1 June 2012 14: 27
          +2
          Squeals and squeals will be wherever he appears. By the way, the other day, the younger one asked me how hamsters squeak. I’m also interested in showing him how they squeak on the forum, he will understand or not?
  9. Aleksey67
    Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 27
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Somewhere in Belarus to place a dozen, and then the Polish torn ripped off with the pro. Maybe she’s finished.

    Nizia, they (fighters) will immediately undermine the market for mines in Poland and Spratland. fertilizers, everyone will switch to natural laughing
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 June 2012 13: 35
      +3
      Yes, God, let them move, they will taste the taste of natural products without chemicals.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 13: 35
      +3
      Alex they do not have natural, pure hybrids. So they will die out, and the remaining streets in Russia will be sweeping because of the havchik.
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 1 June 2012 13: 43
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        they have no natural, pure hybrids.

        I meant they will be "dirty" with every flight and there will be no shortage of manure, which means the Belarusian fertilizer plant will lose the market smile
    3. Srgsoap
      Srgsoap 1 June 2012 14: 49
      +1
      laughing laughing laughing appreciated deeply)))))
  10. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 1 June 2012 13: 34
    +3
    What a handsome .... Already my heart sank ... fellow
    Great news!
  11. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 1 June 2012 13: 41
    0
    Does anyone know how much these handsome men cost?
    1. AK-74-1
      AK-74-1 1 June 2012 14: 22
      +2
      What's the difference. People are working; some planes are assembled, others are printed in rubles. Everything is in business. And what determines this price: one in rubles; in "eternally green" - another; in gold - the third; and in a combat situation they are invaluable. I am very glad that there are both production facilities and specialists who are ready to create such products. And I am very glad that there are clever heads giving way to the sky for such a handsome man.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 15: 01
      +2
      Want to buy? If there are grandmas, let's take a pair for the Russian Air Force. Show an example to the alegarchs.
      1. 755962
        755962 1 June 2012 16: 44
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        how much are these beauties?

        Serial production of the aircraft was launched at the Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Production Association. The cost of one Su-34 aircraft is about 1 billion rubles.
  12. Knowing
    Knowing 1 June 2012 13: 45
    +1
    if there is su 35 why are these
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 1 June 2012 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Knowing
      if there is su 35 why are these


      If there is an AK-47, why the AK-112?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 05
        +4
        A Schaub Bulo. And high will be.
        1. zevs379
          zevs379 1 June 2012 15: 58
          0
          I agree - Schaub Bulo! +++++ laughing
          How many around bl-dei adversaries so this is still not enough. each district needs 500
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 1 June 2012 16: 13
            +2
            Quote: zevs379
            500 in each district

            millions of thousands, and let it scratch turnips
  13. DEMENTIY
    DEMENTIY 1 June 2012 14: 17
    +4
    Beautiful car.
    Amer called him Uncle Scrooge - really looked closely, there is something in common.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 22
      +3
      There is a significant difference.
    2. TiGRoO
      TiGRoO 1 June 2012 15: 44
      +1
      It would be more accurate if they called ZigZag (ohm) winked
      True, the Su-34 flies superbly, but the Zigzag is not very ... laughing
      1. TiGRoO
        TiGRoO 1 June 2012 16: 03
        0
        Or better yet, call it "Black Cloak".
        - Well, from the screw! (with)
    3. 755962
      755962 1 June 2012 16: 47
      +1
      Quote: DEMENTIY
      uncle scrooge

      For its characteristic duck profile, this fighter-bomber was christened by foreign experts "Uncle Scrooge" - after the cult hero of the cartoon "Duck Tales".
  14. F751
    F751 1 June 2012 14: 30
    -5
    The only negative is that the development is SOVIET.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 1 June 2012 15: 30
      +5
      Quote: F751
      The only negative is that the development is SOVIET.

      No need to look for a minus where others see a good groundwork of past generations
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 June 2012 15: 56
        +2
        Yes, Alexei, if I do not confuse, then both f22 and J20 are also from Soviet developments.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 1 June 2012 16: 02
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          Yes, Alexei, if I do not confuse, then both f22 and J20 are also from Soviet developments.

          Those that are promising for themselves, and those that are dead-end helped the amerovskaya intelligence to "steal" .... well, China, this is China, nothing can be hidden from them, they will take a picture at an air show and immediately "sculpt" their own from cardboard and plastic, well, how children in the air circle, however, whatever the child is amused with, if only he does not get pregnant (he did not climb to fight) winked
          1. 755962
            755962 1 June 2012 16: 51
            +5
            Quote: Aleksey67
            The only negative is that the development is SOVIET.

            And in my opinion, even a big PLUS. The engineering base was the strongest in the world. And everything that flies now, rides, walks the seas, shoots,by and large - ECHO USSR.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 1 June 2012 16: 57
              +2
              755962, Eugene, ek, how did you stick someone else's quote to me ... wassat
              1. 755962
                755962 2 June 2012 10: 51
                0
                Sorry, Alex ... It's not me, it's so comp .... decided .... for me ... A lot of apologies ... request I wanted to quote F751 , and the answer was written under your comment .. drinks
  15. dred
    dred 1 June 2012 14: 31
    0
    Good news, don’t tell me how many have been ordered before 2020.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 June 2012 14: 34
      +4
      According to the State rearmament program for the Air Force of the Russian Federation, a total of about 140 Su-34 front-line bombers will be purchased. At the first stage of procurement, 92 modern machines will be acquired, then the group will be increased to 124 aircraft, and in the future the total number of front-line bombers of the Su-34 will reach 140 in the Russian Air Force. A complete replacement of the obsolete Su-24s in the Russian Air Force will occur as planned over a period of 8 years until 2020. quote from article
  16. Nursultan
    Nursultan 1 June 2012 15: 08
    +1
    News to the super author +. And we, too, would have more of these birds
    1. marshes
      marshes 1 June 2012 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Nursultan
      And we, too, would have more of these birds

      Such "birds" will appear in our country in ten years, until Russia re-equips. And so we will have to be content with the Su-24 and Su-27.
  17. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 1 June 2012 16: 36
    0
    I am more happy for the NAPO named after Chkalov - for such a short period of time to put in-line production, in principle, a new machine - it's worth it! I applaud mentally !!!
  18. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 1 June 2012 18: 24
    +1
    This is a song for the soul of every compatriot !!!
    remember:


    We were born to make a fairy tale come true
    To overcome space and space,
    Our mind gave us steel arms, wings,
    And instead of the heart - a fiery motor.

    Higher, higher, and higher
    We fly our birds
    And in every propeller breathes
    The calm of our borders.

    Throwing up his obedient apparatus
    Or creating an unprecedented flight,
    We recognize how the air fleet is getting stronger,
    Our first proletarian fleet in the world!

    Our sharp look pierces every atom,
    Our every nerve of determination is dressed;
    And believe us, for every ultimatum
    The air fleet will be able to give an answer.

    IM proud of!!!
  19. awg75
    awg75 1 June 2012 19: 07
    0
    the car is magnificent, necessary and very powerful. rather to the troops]
  20. marshes
    marshes 1 June 2012 19: 13
    +1
    Honestly, of all the cars I like three. IL-20, Tu-334 and Su-34.
    I repeat, and I'm sorry.
  21. Cadet787
    Cadet787 1 June 2012 19: 55
    +3
    So many experts have expressed their opinion, and very sensibly and professionally, there is simply nothing to add. I would like to appeal to the moderators with a request to express gratitude to the "veteran of the BBC" for excellent and competent comments.
    1. hrych
      hrych 1 June 2012 21: 18
      +3
      I join, even I am a collective farmer, I understood something.
  22. Alekseev
    Alekseev 1 June 2012 20: 21
    +1
    Another Su-34 squadron ... From 2006 to 2011 15 units transferred to the Air Force to training and combat units these good planes. (first flight in 1990) God grant NAPO to fulfill the state order, although 140 units are not enough for Russia
  23. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 1 June 2012 20: 38
    0
    Brothers do not forget that the predecessor is also modernized.
  24. Methodius
    Methodius 1 June 2012 20: 56
    +1
    And just imagine for a minute, "they stopped stealing money" - this is how much additional weapons can you get in the troops?
  25. OdinPlys-11
    OdinPlys-11 1 June 2012 23: 29
    -1
    Such news cannot but rejoice .... I think ... maybe the "well-wishers" of the GDP will be a little happy ..
  26. lotus04
    lotus04 2 June 2012 08: 57
    +1
    Very beautiful, powerful and respectful Machine with a capital letter!
    I saw at MAKS back in 2009. It flies so that it takes your breath away. Thanks to Sukhoi Corporation for such a car! It is something!!!
    Even his son appeared on the desk model of this aircraft.