Lenin's body is proposed to be replaced by a copy.

In Russia, once again decided to raise the issue of the burial of the body of Vladimir Lenin. The deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region, Vladimir Petrov, who proposed to create a special commission to resolve this issue, attended the issue, RT informs with reference to the deputy’s request to the Cabinet of Ministers.

As Vladimir Petrov suggests, in the matter of the reburial of Vladimir Lenin's body, it is necessary to proceed in accordance with the will and arrange a farewell funeral procession for the 100 anniversary of his death in the 2024 year. At the same time, Petrov admits the possibility of preserving tradition and suggests replacing the body of the leader of the proletariat with an exact wax or rubber-polymer copy to preserve it. The deputy calls the positive consequences of the burial of Lenin "significant savings of budget funds" currently allocated to "costly procedures for maintaining the leader of the revolution in its current state."

It should be noted that the question of the burial of the body of Vladimir Lenin was raised more than once, especially a lot of controversy arose last year in the year of the 100 anniversary of the October Revolution. In the spring of this year, representatives of the Liberal Democratic Party and United Russia submitted a draft to Leningrad in the State Duma about the burial of Lenin, but later the United Russia party recalled their signatures.

The VTsIOM polls showed that more than 60% of Russian citizens support the burial of Lenin’s body, while half of them believe that this should be done immediately, the other half suggest to wait a bit.

Comments

[Tank jacket]

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

[Machito]

Replace Lenin in the mausoleum with a rubber doll.
Petrov has seen enough of dubious films.

[kjhg]

Lenin was buried in the Mausoleum at a depth of 2,5 m below the level of Red Square, where a number of other leaders of the country from different times rest. People, you know, those who want to rebury him, want to erase the memory of the great socialist history of our country. Lenin is a symbol of the victory of ordinary people over their enslavers. Today, the descendants of these enslavers and oppressors of the people have again come to power. They again want to take away from the people its freedom and social rights. This we clearly see from their deeds. But nothing will work out for them, the time will come and the spring of popular discontent squeezed by the oligarchic yoke will one day open up and throw these oppressors into the deep pit of history, where they have the place.

[kasatky]

Quote: kjhg

Red Square, where a number of leaders of the country of different times rest

Has Vladimir Ilyich surpassed all these people enough to take a "priority" place? In my opinion, Comrade Stalin managed to do more for the good of the country. And he is not the only one.
And is the place in the mausoleum (as it is) really so honorable? It is not known what to bathe regularly in solutions, to stick off falling off fingers, etc. - dubious reward from posterity. If a person has served for the good of the Motherland, he is worthy to rest in his native land. As an option, leave Lenin’s body where it is, placing it in a closed sarcophagus, as always did with great people and rulers. But it is fairer, from both a human and historical point of view, to bury him at the Kremlin wall next to Stalin.
A rubber doll is definitely not an option.

[Shurik70]

When the question arises, splitting society into opposing camps, it is either an enemy, or a provocateur, distracting from other issues, or a fool used in vain.

[hrych]

Quote: Shurik70

When the question arises, splitting society

The existence of this object on Red Square is already splitting society and of course on Red Square the ziggurat does not fit into the ensemble of architecture. However, this is a place of pilgrimage for communists around the world, which is important for foreign policy. Also, a large number of our citizens hate this person and their opinion also needs to be reckoned with, like 10-13% of the country's communists. Therefore, the mausoleum and the body should be moved to another place, therefore the wolves will be safe and the sheep will be full. A kind of Solomon solution.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: hrych

The existence of this facility on Red Square is already splitting society

We will take it to FIG and there will be no disputes in society. Chloramka wash

[Tatyana]

Where does this "orange" nonsense come from to the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region, Petrov Vladimir Stanislavovich (born 1970)?
To answer this question, just look at his professional and party activities, as well as his place in the ranking of THE RICHEST officials, parliamentarians and managers of state-owned companies in Russia.

REFERENCE
Professional activity
1991 — 1997 - management of Chesma company (organization of tour operator activities for receiving foreign tourists in cities of Russia and CIS countries)
1997 — 1998 - general representative of the FSUE “Pulkovo” in Germany
1999 — 2007 - general representative of a German company "PulExpressGmbH" in Russia.
From 2007 to the present - Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Russian company PulExpress.

Party activity Petrov is the flesh of the United Russia party, but in 2015 he fled from it. Question. Why and where?
Vonsev - member of the Regional Political Council of LORO WFP "United Russia", secretary of the MOP "Slantsevskoe local branch of LORO WFP" United Russia ", member of the Presidium of LORO WFP" United Russia "
2010 — 2013 is the regional coordinator of the “Own Home” federal party project for the development of low-rise housing construction. The party project became an official partner of the largest regional real estate exhibitions, joined the organizing committees and the jury of industry competitions.
2012 - Interim Head of RIK LORO Runway "UNITED RUSSIA"
2012—2013 - Secretary of LORO WFP "UNITED RUSSIA" As the Secretary of the Regional Political Council, he received into the Party (handed party cards) to the Chairman of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation S. E. Naryshkin, and Chairman of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region S. M. Bebenin.
In 2013, he left all the governing bodies of the LORO runway "UNITED RUSSIA", remaining an ordinary member of the Party.
In June of 2015, he ceased membership in the party "UNITED RUSSIA".

Interesting Facts
Petrov takes 38 place in the ranking of MOST CONSTANT officials, parliamentarians and managers of state-owned companies in Russia.

See in detail. - http://wp.wiki-wiki.ru/wp/index.php/Petrov,_Vladimir_Stanislavovich

[Shurik70]

There are two fundamentally opposite approaches to what to do in difficult situations.
"if you don't know what to do, do at least whatever"
и
"if you don't know what to do, don't do anything."
In politics and religion it is better to adhere to the second approach. Because the first one will definitely make it worse.

[Tavrik]

Correctly! We’ll demolish everything and live like in Ukraine. Let us show solidarity with the local leaders! Brotherly peoples after all.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tavrik

We’ll demolish everything and live like in Ukraine.

This is exactly what the Bolsheviks are proposing. And don’t break, do not build

[gavrila2984]

And nothing, the mausoleum itself is a burial structure? And reburial in this regard is pointless. Besides, would you like it if the body of your dear person was reburied at the request of the "majority"? From his grave to the mausoleum for example. This is the first thing. Second. Preservation of Lenin's body itself is also a scientific experiment. For this business, if I remember correctly, the institute was created. Third. If you really do not treat Ilyich with sympathy, let the tourists at least stare at him. If your conscience allows, take money for it. Does everyone remember the queues during the championship?

[hrych]

I say, move everything together to Maryina Grove.

[gavrila2984]

Sorry, I did not understand the joke about Maryina Grove, not a Muscovite. Explain, please.

[hrych]

There is a synagogue and a cultural center where Lenin's relatives gather for his mother, nee Blank.

[gavrila2984]

But are all Jews Jews? Then, on the site of the sepulcher of the Lord, a synagogue should be built, not a Christian church. Again, according to your logic, most of the repose in the Peter and Paul Cathedral should be sent to their homeland in Germany. Ilyich’s grandfather was baptized, having quarreled with former co-religionists, and the leader himself was also baptized. Well, and the fact that for a quarter a Jew, so you scrape the Russian - you will find a Tatar, figuratively speaking.

[hrych]

Quote: gavrila2984

Then, on the site of the sepulcher of the Lord, a synagogue should be built, not a Christian church.

And this is not the Holy Sepulcher, this place was appointed as such 300 years after the Gospel events, Emperor Constantine and his mother. Just imagine what happened in 1718 and figure out if it was possible to find this place from archaeologists of lovers of the 4th century AD. And the current old city in Jerusalem is not where the Savior walked, but the streets of the Roman city of Elia Capitolina, built a hundred years after the gospel events

Quote: gavrila2984

so you scrape the Russian-Tatar find

Not a ride, Klyosov scraper, scraper, not scraped. But do not want the transfer, then take it apart and burn it, everything will come to this, in about 5 years, when the Communists do not enter the State Duma without breaking the 5% barrier. These ideologies and values ​​die out every year, with every five-year plan. And the process is irreversible. Patriots hate him, believers hate him (that Christians, Muslims), capitalists hate him, nationalists hate him, there were only communists left. Those. already 80% are ready to end this Chaldean ritual, 10% are ready to continue, and 10% of the country's population do not care. Soon this issue will be solved by itself and of course it is not worth rushing.

[gavrila2984]

About the Holy Sepulcher, I mean that Mr. Christ and his comrades were a Jew himself, therefore, following your logic, the cross on the church of his name must be replaced with a six-pointed star. By the way, based on your "statistics", it will be the same for everyone in parallel. Well, except for 10% of the grandmothers who regularly go to temples. And as for what will happen in 5 years, we’ll wait and see. And it's not worth talking about all the patriots, they are different patriots.

[hrych]

Quote: gavrila2984

Mr. Christ and his comrades were a Jew himself

Frank Pharisee lies. According to all the scant data that has come down to us, a typical Zoroastrian, starting from the birth and worship of the Zoroastrian Magi to the charges of crimes against the Jewish religion of the local sect. By the way, the names of his disciples (12, as signs of the zodiac) are many non-Jewish, i.e. guys are not of this ethnicity and religion. Andrew (Macedonian), Philip (Macedonian), Thomas (Persian), Bartholomew (Persian), Peter (Macedonian). Before the Romans, the Macedonians owned Palestine, and before them the Persians, whose Aramaic was the official language written (not colloquial, that was the Iranian-Aryan) language of the Achaemenid Persian Empire. The Aramaic alphabet had no vowels at all and could not sound. And the tablet on the cross was in three languages ​​(Persian / Aramaic-written, Macedonian and Latin). It is clear that in Palestine, in addition to the Jews, lived the Persian Zooroastrians, the Macedonian worshipers of Zeus, and the Roman Jupiterians. And the local Jews, an ethno-religious association of Neoplatonists, teachings that appeared in Macedonian Alexandria, of which Philo and Co were the apologist, and who consisted of Sadducees (typical Epicureans), Pharisees (typical Stoics), Essenes (typical Pythagoreans). And all the first books of the scripture were written precisely in the Macedonian / Greek language, and only in the Middle Ages were they written in Hebrew, which the Masoretes invented by taking the long-dead book Aramaic alphabet. And they shouted "crucify" in Macedonian / Greek, because colloquial Aramaic (the language of the Arameans) was then already hundreds of years (more than 600 years old), as it did not sound, but was only a dead, written language. For the speakers of the Aramaic language (both living and written) are the Assyrians, who were destroyed by the Babylonians and Medes, massacring the Assyrians completely, who in turn were conquered by the Persians, who fell from the blows of the Macedonians, who were conquered by the Romans in these lands.

[gavrila2984]

You’ll tell all this to the Orthodox and others who joined them, otherwise they, by mistake, still think that Jesus’s mother is from the tribe of David. And she gave birth to a son in Bethlehem of Judea. Well, it is, by the way.

[gavrila2984]

And yes, About Aramaic (One of the groups of Semitic languages) among the Persians (Iranian people) - This is not even funny.
Learn, study, study! As the subject bequeathed.

[hrych]

Quote: gavrila2984

About Aramaic (One of the groups of Semitic languages) among the Persians (Iranian people)

So I teach you that Aramaic in the Persian Empire was a written lingua franca. The language of records, accounting, etc. By that time it had not sounded for more than five hundred years, people, including the enslaved, spoke the language of the winner, i.e. Persian, but on their own it was forbidden to be warmed up under pain of death. Even in the enlightened age, Aborigines were forced to speak Spanish and English, depending on whose colony was and how the Aztec language sounded, it was simply unknown. And do Magikans know their language? And the written language, it’s, as it is now at the turbopascal, okay for you basic you can voice, like one, zero, zero, one, zero .... etc. In general, it’s a shame not to know this, to be honest. Well, they didn’t teach in the USSR, but now they are victims of the USE, but oh well. And those who are now called Assyrians and their local dialects have nothing to do with Akkadian empire and cannot have, they were completely cut out of revenge, fully, 600 years before the gospel events and 2600 years to the present day. Even now we can read cuneiform scripts written in Aramaic, but we cannot voice it, and the Rosetta stone also allowed us to translate Egyptian letters, but we cannot speak the language. And as the Egyptians said, we don’t know. This is called - dead languages, we don’t really know how the Greeks and Romans spoke, although we can read, the filthy church Latin and Greek divine services of people who have nothing to do with ancient ethnic groups, they indulge in something, but those people didn’t talk like that . And among the ancients, the sound and letters are not identical in general, the Masorets there tried to do something, but it’s complete rubbish to revive the deceased more than a thousand years ago.

[hrych]

And this is not important, the foundation of faith is the Resurrection from the dead, the prohibition of bloody rituals, the cessation of surgery and a respectable life. And people don’t understand the details and Glory to God. And the Stoics, Epicureans and Pythagoreans also collapsed the Christian church (into Orthodox, Protestants and Catholics) and also the Muslim (into Shiites, Sunnis and Ismailis). The Pharisees climbed into the church and tore the orthodox. Therefore, orthodoxes torment themselves all, fast, vigil all night, and so on. Protestants do not deny themselves anything, enrich themselves, do not reject sex life, and Catholics engage in secret knowledge, think of something there, collect, slander, etc. All this came out because of Macedonian, who combined Hellenic religion and philosophy in the reactor with Chaldean and Egyptian religions and philosophies, everything came out of this reactor. And the Savior, with his supernormal abilities, simply humiliated this gang that they were all nothing and they were fooling people, so he was executed, but became even stronger. By the time of the baptism of Rome in the 4th century, Arianism was adopted, the Goths, Vandals, Gepids, Rugs, Lombards and even part of the Huns were already Arians. And in pure Christianity - Arianism, the Pharisees and scribes climbed, created a bureaucratic institute of the church and off and on.

[gavrila2984]

It would seem, where does the grandfather of Lenin and the synagogue in Maryina Grove have nationality?

[hrych]

Also, the AUCPB safely collapsed into Stoics, Epicureans and Pythagoreans Both the Chaldean ziggurat on Red Square and the crystal sarcophagus (remember Pushkin, trained in the Gnostic Lyceum) is directly related to religion. For ordinary communist atheists do not understand, and do not know, that their leaders are one trait of the Gnostics from Alexandria and obscurantism surpassed the unfortunate priests-Pharisees. And they recanted, and sang hymns, and made sacrifices, and swore to the new pharaoh, and supported the priestly caste (the party caste: the regional committees, city committees, local committees, and of course the Politburo), parallel to the Council of Ministers, the General Staff, etc.

[gavrila2984]

On Mosfilmovskaya street in Moscow there is a good psychiatric clinic with a dispensary. It’s open there now.

[hrych]

Quote: gavrila2984

It’s open there now.

What, right from there?

[gavrila2984]

No, google.

[Vladimir 5]

grunt. As a more practical solution without scholasticism .. All the same, the Mausoleum for one ambiguously perceived statesman in the middle of the country's main square, Red Square, clearly creates problems. Problems are better and less painfully resolved by compromises and new approaches. If you remove the body of the deceased, then you need to remove the mausoleum, but it is already inscribed in the history of the state, and it is impossible to destroy it. So turn the Mausoleum into Colombia, the main leaders of the state, and there bury the bins not only Lenin, Stalin, but also subsequent leaders, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and so on. The state historical path of succession is envisaged here .. There are enough places in the columbarium for burying urns, therefore it is possible to bury the former leaders, emperors, as well ... But to keep the decaying flesh of a person in the mausoleum there are no further physical or moral grounds. That’s why such fantastic offers arise with a replacement for a doll ... The created Columbarium in the Mausoleum would be justified by a qualitatively wider solution, because we have an external columbarium in the Kremlin wall ...

[gavrila2984]

Quote: Vladimir 5

There are enough places in the columbarium for burying urns, therefore it is possible to bury the former leaders, emperors, remains ... But to keep the decaying flesh of a person in the mausoleum there are no further physical or moral grounds. .

But what about the relics of the saints? Well, it’s not Christian - to bring back their remains, which are whole, which are in parts .. A Christian should be put to the earth, ashes to ashes, ashes to ashes, as they say. is not it? That would be fun if the Communists, atheists and all others who are alien to the manifestation of relics raise a counter-question about their burial and replacing them with mock-ups - believers do not care, they believe. and then what?

[ver_]

... scientific experiments are carried out on dogs, or ...

[gavrila2984]

Or on the corpses. It also happens.

[ver_]

... I’m not even close if some individuals would take him to their home * stand * * - well, those - which he is very dear to ..

[Detective]

When the ashes of monsters who killed and involved in the killings of tens and hundreds of thousands of Russian people are buried in the main square of the capital of the Russian state, this is not something that splits society - it makes you seriously think about the health and sanity of this society, which thus honors the murderers of their ancestors! At least that part of it that opposes the ghosting of the square in order and its use in accordance with its intended use!

Quote: Shurik70

When the question arises, splitting society into opposing camps, it is either an enemy, or a provocateur, distracting from other issues, or a fool used in vain.

Historical justice should not be replaced by a crafty silence of the very meaning of the existence of such burials of such personalities, especially in such a holy place for every Russian person! Naturally reburial without any pump and scream! I say again - the leadership of the Communist Party, party members and sympathizers themselves must take on the solution of this issue unless of course they sincerely honor the ashes of their idols and wish them to rest, and not scandals, screams and manifestations!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Detective

When the ashes of monsters who killed and involved in the killings of tens and hundreds of thousands of Russian people are buried in the main square of the capital of the Russian state, this is not something that splits society - it makes you seriously think about the health and sanity of this society, which thus honors the murderers of their ancestors! At least that part of it that opposes the ghosting of the square in order and its use in accordance with its intended use!

Support.

[Stas157]

Quote: Shurik70

When the question arises, splitting society into opposing camps, it is either an enemy or a provocateur

Here the Kremlin does everything technically. All overton. At first - unacceptable, then - radically, after - acceptable. The issue with the Mausoleum was specifically raised for discussion. Remember, earlier talk of reburial was sacrilege ... but now no longer! And already here in the VO, a good half of forum users do not see anything shameful in the destruction of the main Soviet symbol. You look after a couple of years and will be buried. Not just because stuffing is coming.

On my own, I would like to add to the irresponsible forum users-Zaputinians: - If you value your sun-seekers like that, then you really need to rock the situation - you should be the first to be against burial if you are for peace in the country. It can hurt.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Shurik70

When the question arises, splitting society into opposing camps, it is either an enemy or a provocateur

Here the Kremlin does everything technically. All overton. At first - unacceptable, then - radically, after - acceptable. The issue with the Mausoleum was specifically raised for discussion. Remember, earlier talk of reburial was sacrilege ... but now no longer! And already here in the VO, a good half of forum users do not see anything shameful in the destruction of the main Soviet symbol. You look after a couple of years and will be buried. Not just because stuffing is coming.
On my own, I would like to add to the irresponsible forum users-Zaputinians: - If you value your sun-seekers like that, then you really need to rock the situation - you should be the first to be against burial if you are for peace in the country. It can hurt.

I would definitely not call myself a Zaputin, but in fairness I want to clarify that Putin seems to be categorically against Lenin's reburial. Why did you suddenly remember Putin on this issue?

[Stas157]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Why You suddenly remembered Putin about this question?

If you were careful, you would have noticed that I mentioned not Putin, and Zaputintsev. And here, paradoxically, there is a significant difference, even in views. For example, Putin is a pure liberal, and Zaputintsy hate liberals! So here, ALL Zaputintsy advocate the reburial of Ilyich.

And from Putin himself, what to take, there is no faith in him, not a penny, after he promised the retirement age in no case to raise!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Stas157

Zaputintsev

"Communists" they should know that in the KGB of the USSR they didn’t take non-partisans to serve. The same Yeltsin, was a member of the CPSU since 1961, secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee of the CPSU from 1976 onwards ... Does Yegorushka Gaidar (member of the CPSU since 1980) have Timur and his team in their ancestors ?!

[Topgun]

we live in a world of fakes and misinformation, and it is customary not to recall the history of the USSR today (those in power are very afraid not to repeat) ...
there is not just the body of a dead man (as a man of science, he would only be glad if he knew that his body still somehow serves people) there is history, everyone can come and be convinced that it is not photoshop and that was all ...
and he would have laughed at religious ravings about the repose (if they hadn’t sent a forest to fell for the good of their homeland so that stupid thoughts would not have occurred) ...
and as for who is longer - there wouldn’t be any Comrade Stalin if not for Lenin ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Topgun

and he would laugh at religious nonsense about the repose

If he hadn’t gone to hell. Judah and the road there

[Corporal Valera]

If he hadn’t gone to hell

By willful decision and a pointing finger, Sashok gives out places in hell and paradise! Is there enough of Ponomochiev?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Sashok gives out places in hell and paradise!

Read the Bible and then it will immediately become clear where he wrote out a ticket

[Detective]

Quote: kjhg

Lenin was buried in the Mausoleum at a depth of 2,5 m below the level of Red Square, where a number of other leaders of the country from different times rest.

Of course you have to bury! Not according to Christian tradition, of course. No one will take it. Let the Communists decide this question themselves. I do not think at all what is the right way to make a churchyard from the main square of the country. This question has already overripe. This will not cause any real unrest in society, except for a couple of communist rallies with posters containing text similar to the commentary above. Why, for example, in the main square of the country is Rosalia Zalkind buried the party nickname Zemlyachka ?! Is this sadist not guilty of mass killings without trial? Why is Yakov Sverdlov, the ideologist of the Red Terror buried there, the Voikov diplomat-killer, the perpetrator of the deaths of tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers Lev Mehlis, etc.?!!

[Bull Terrier]

Exactly. By and large, all deeply spit on this issue. Society is not rocked by these issues, but by people who inflate a tragedy of universal proportions from them.

[Xnumx vis]

Interim person! Let his soul calm down. The mausoleums are not for Christians .. And not for atheists ... It is wild to have a mausoleum in the center of the country on the main square of Russia! ... The Lenin Museum is a necessary thing. Memory and science for the younger generation ... I would not want to lie dead for onlookers to entertain!

[freddyk]

Quote: 30 vis

Interim person! Let his soul calm down. The mausoleums are not for Christians .. And not for atheists ... It is wild to have a mausoleum in the center of the country on the main square of Russia! ... The Lenin Museum is a necessary thing. Memory and science for the younger generation ... I would not want to lie dead for onlookers to entertain!

There's something about it. Leave the mausoleum unambiguously, make a museum and host parades. Bury Lenin. Good compromise

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 30 vis

It’s wild to have a mausoleum in the center of the country on the main square of Russia! ...

For some reason, our eastern neighbor and, concurrently, "workshop of the world"The mausoleum on the main square of the country does not interfere.

Maybe it's not in the mausoleum?

[albert]

Quote: Alexey RA

Maybe it's not in the mausoleum?

So it is. The worse things are in the Russian economy, the more lively anti-Soviet people are. And they don’t understand that the attempts to bury Lenin will aggravate the situation in the country. By the way, Medvedev approved a two-stage indexation of housing and communal services tariffs, so that the number of Ilyich’s supporters will increase at a rapid pace.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: 30 vis

Interim person! Let his soul calm down. The mausoleums are not for Christians .. And not for atheists ... It is wild to have a mausoleum in the center of the country on the main square of Russia! ... The Lenin Museum is a necessary thing. Memory and science for the younger generation ... I would not want to lie dead for onlookers to entertain!

And what can you dear say about the holy relics lying in the temples? Many of them were acquired as a result of the opening of burials. Is this Christian?
Why bother raising this issue in a country where the government on November 4 stubbornly proves that society is united as never before, and on November 14 it pricks this society in two like a birch block? God-God, Caesar-Caesarean, liberals-liberals, people-people and do not need someone to stir up one to the detriment of others, then in society they will be more tolerant of each other.

[Detective]

Quote: Nyrobsky

And what can you dear say about the holy relics lying in the temples? Many of them were acquired as a result of the opening of burials. Is this Christian?

I can tell you - in a Christian way! And raising this issue in the topic of the burial of Ulyanov’s body is at least not smart. The process of gaining relics is the finding, the exhumation of the remains of a Christian ranked by the Church as a saint! This is most often associated with the examination of the remains and their transfer to the temple for universal worship before, during or after the canonization. Since ancient times, this holy action is surrounded by a canonical prayer ceremony!
I hope you understand the difference? What and with what do you compare?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Detective

Quote: Nyrobsky

And what can you dear say about the holy relics lying in the temples? Many of them were acquired as a result of the opening of burials. Is this Christian?

I can tell you - in a Christian way! And raising this issue in the topic of the burial of Ulyanov’s body is at least not smart. The process of gaining relics is the finding, the exhumation of the remains of a Christian ranked by the Church as a saint! This is most often associated with the examination of the remains and their transfer to the temple for universal worship before, during or after the canonization. Since ancient times, this holy action is surrounded by a canonical prayer ceremony!
I hope you understand the difference? What and with what do you compare?

I understand Igor, I understand ... Just like you, you understand that the need to manipulate the consciousness of the masses arises at a time when the authorities are preparing another dirty trick, formalized in the form of some kind of reform or other unpopular action for the people. I will not go deep into the search for the true reasons for the next "initiative" because the length of the commentary will be long and tedious. You, and many who will be interested, can follow the specified link and take a broader look at the topic of the issue under discussion. Interesting.
http://ttolk.ru/?p=15332

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nyrobsky

And what can you dear say about the holy relics lying in the temples? Many of them were acquired as a result of the opening of burials. Is this Christian?

I think it’s not Christian. Not humanly ... Khan Kotyan or Kuchum (no difference) made a cup from Prince Svyatoslav’s skull ... And drank from it. Wildness and barbarism! The traditions of kissing the bones of dead people are no different. Let the saints. They torn off the dead hand, dried it and kiss ... The same wildness as a bowl from a skull. There are monuments, images (icons) Books with the thoughts of these saints! Acts captured in books. It's enough!

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: 30 vis

Interim person! Let his soul calm down. The mausoleums are not for Christians .. And not for atheists ... It is wild to have a mausoleum in the center of the country on the main square of Russia! ... The Lenin Museum is a necessary thing. Memory and science for the younger generation ... I would not want to lie dead for onlookers to entertain!

Well, your Christian saints in monasteries and temples are not buried lying to themselves, and do not cause any holy anger.

[Xnumx vis]

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Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh

Well, your Christian saints in monasteries and temples are not buried lying to themselves, and do not cause any holy anger

This tradition is conducted from the Egyptians .. and the Jews ... Worship the mummies! The Romans picked up ... They created all kinds of mausoleums .. In Russia, the saints buried the dead on a graveyard .. They ruled a feast, feasted .. They poured a hill-mound ..

[ver_]

... Duc Ulyanov = Form - never a Christian - he is a Jew .. - Mogue him to Israel ..

[Labrador]

Support!
Hands off Ilyich !!!
Be it their will, they put EBN there

[Vol4ara]

Quote: kjhg

Lenin was buried in the Mausoleum at a depth of 2,5 m below the level of Red Square, where a number of other leaders of the country from different times rest. People, you know, those who want to rebury him, want to erase the memory of the great socialist history of our country. Lenin is a symbol of the victory of ordinary people over their enslavers. Today, the descendants of these enslavers and oppressors of the people have again come to power. They again want to take away from the people its freedom and social rights. This we clearly see from their deeds. But nothing will work out for them, the time will come and the spring of popular discontent squeezed by the oligarchic yoke will one day open up and throw these oppressors into the deep pit of history, where they have the place.

Lenin is a corpse, and slept the entire victory of the revolution at 91 for lace underpants

[shark]

First they will replace it with a doll, then a conversation will go - why do we need to show the doll. The next step is a doll (which has neither moral nor historical value) disappears somewhere, officials express concern, then a discussion about the need to show a puppet theater in the main square of the country, then conversations about the demolition of the mausoleum begin. Sobyanin at the end of his measure, at night, like stalls, demolishes the mausoleum and voila. The dream of the liberals of all Russia has come true. Here is the script. Spent and tested.

[Felix99]

A counter proposal is to replace Petrov with a rubber doll.

[loginovich]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

Pensions have already been lost

[Machito]

And not just pensions.
Health care, education, socialism.

[The black]

As Vladimir Petrov suggests, in the matter of reburial of the body of Vladimir Lenin, it is necessary to act in accordance with the will

This is a lie .... there is no testament ..... At one time, at the request of the Yeltsin administration at the RCCHIDNI (this is the former Central Party Archive) about the will of Lenin. The official response to the president of the Russian Federation says that "There is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding the last will of Lenin to be buried in a particular Russian cemetery."

[The black]

In general, the barbarism and denseness of modern Russian Westerners-liberals and the edros who echo them are amazing. They would try to hint at destruction or grave digging in some of the so beloved Western countries, say in President Grant's mausoleum in New York (symbol of triumph in the Civil War of the North over the South), the mausoleum of Ataturk, the founding father of modern secular Turkey. Or to talk about the "betrayal" of the founding father of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Marshal Pilsudski or Emperor Napoleon, whose tombs are on display ....... teach materiel gentlemen liberals .....

[Loess]

The Communists took Stalin out of the mausoleum and the world did not collapse.

[The black]

Quote: Less

The Communists took Stalin out of the mausoleum and the world did not collapse.

So if they had left, it would not have collapsed either ....

[Machito]

With the removal of Stalin, the fall of the USSR began.

[hrych]

Quote: Bearded

With the removal of Stalin, the fall of the USSR began.

The golden age of the USSR was not under Stalin; it began under Brezhnev. Unfortunately, this period of developed socialism grew old and began to degrade with the leader and there was no normal receiver. Under Brezhnev, people breathed a sigh of relief, nuclear parity with the United States was achieved, the space program was wonderful, unique weapons were created that reached the limit of jet aircraft, such as Tu-160, Tu22m3, Su-27 (on the basis of which Su-30, Su-35, even Su-34) and MiG-31, created Voivoda, Pioneer, UR-100, S-300. All this works now and with modernization, we can be invincible.

[Yu-81]

All the achievements that you described are the results of the work of Comrade Stalin and his team. Therefore, you yourself indicated that the degradation occurred along with the end of Brezhnev’s reign. The potential inherent in the 40's cannot last forever. That Khrushchev, that Brezhnev, that all subsequent rulers were not some kind of figures who did something valuable. On the contrary, they let go and relaxed on what profited by such hellish labor during the most difficult years of collectivization, industrialization and war. As a result, all these followers are all ** ** ali.

[Loess]

But what about "barbarity and denseness ... They would try in some of the Western countries so adored by them to hint about destruction or grave-digging, say, in the mausoleum of President Grant in New York (a symbol of triumph in the Civil War of the North over the South), a mausoleum the founding father of modern secular Turkey Ataturk. Or talk about the "betrayal" of the founding father of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Marshal Pilsudski or Emperor Napoleon, whose tombs are on display ....... teach materiel gentlemen liberals ..... "Your words, no? Double standards or hypocrisy?

[Yu-81]

And whether they were communists ... real. in my opinion, no longer.

[Vadim Zhivov]

Dribble the deputy to the waist so that he wouldn’t offer nonsense, but he was engaged in business.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ver_

..only in our country - the rear-wheel drive Jew Blank, who died from chronic syphilis with a brain shrunk by 500 milliliters - is practically a communist god ...

Lenin is part of the history of Russia, and indeed the whole world. That's what I don’t understand ... in Russia there are a lot of places where history buffs from all over the world will love to go. Borodino, Volgograd, Balaklava (used to go there, now it’s not very, but it can be solved), etc. Moscow and the Mausoleum, of course, too. Instead of talking about investments, grandmas would invest in the development of the above places as tourist destinations. In the 60s, one of the Rothschilds was in Suzdal and said - sell me this place and I will double my capital. Brezhnev said no, they built the first automobile motel in the Union (in my opinion the only one) and everything died out.
Instead of spending money on stupid things like the burial of Lenin, it’s better to spend them on popularizing this place in the European, Chinese and Amer Internet segments. It will pay off and the dough will bring nemero. Together with jobs.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Krasnodar

It will pay off and the dough will bring nemero. Together with jobs.

Oh, these Jews, probably on their deceased relatives, are also trying in every possible way to build gesheft.
Lenin lived! Lenin is alive! Lenin will live! Like his business!

[Krasnodar]

Unfortunately, at the expense of slogans I do not know how to live. And I’m not used to hoping for anyone. So think about money

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Krasnodar

Unfortunately, at the expense of slogans I do not know how to live. And I’m not used to hoping for anyone. So think about money

The poor in spirit always try to replace their absence with money. The rich in spirit were malnourished, lacked sleep, veins tore, dying but building the Great Social State. And built, and in a very short time (for history)! Did the slogans help them (or maybe we call it ideas of justice?) Or not?

[Krasnodar]

Unfortunately, the Union fell apart in a relatively short period for the life of the state. Having built a Great Military Power, but not a Social State. This without any slogans was built by the Swedes, while the wreckage of the USSR returned to wild capitalism. And in wild capitalism it still costs money, so the poor in spirit make them, and the rich in spirit in the 90s were afraid to raise their eyes on the kid What, of course, Yeltsin, the Jews and others were to blame ...

[DEDPIHTO]

They compared the mentally deceased slave and the bandit with the MAN, turning everything upside down. I did not expect another answer from you

[Krasnodar]

I knew that you would only comment on this proposal.
What about a social state? Was the Union like that?

[DEDPIHTO]

A million times it has already been chewed about both exhibition Sweden and the socialist gains in our USSR, but some continue to bang their heads on the floor asking the same questions. As they say, saw Shura, saw! She is golden! ,, (c)

[Krasnodar]

Exhibition Sweden? Have you ever been there or at least talked to one of those living in this country? )))
Socialist achievements in the USSR were only in the availability of quality education. Medicine - low quality + special clinics for celestials, and even those lagged behind Western public ones, a shortage of low-quality goods for the crowd and special distributors for party nomenclature. Fairy Tale and Equality
It was also possible to travel abroad only as a party and then, without a family. Freedom equality Brotherhood

[DEDPIHTO]

I don’t want to comment about Sweden at all, and this exhibition sample is bursting at the seams due to the influx of migrants. Compare medicine (quality) at that time with cap. countries and not today, today under socialism the quality was much higher and free. The shortage of goods was already in the late USSR, when it was already shattered by traitors. About the quality of products in general, complete nonsense, with the current, plastic, no comparison. I consider the ban on traveling abroad to be a boon for our country, and control had to be tightened with regard to party’s departure.
For today, a mustache, there is still business.

[Krasnodar]

Sweden is not a fig is not a showcase (for what, whom, why? ) for migrants - this is a pan-European problem (except Switzerland, which takes money from them for accommodation and with a price filter otshivaet all freeloaders and declassified).
In medicine in the Union, it lagged behind the western one and was good from the second half of the 70s. The products were "quality", but not the most delicious. Type hens purple and thin, who died a natural death I don’t remember the early USSR, although my father told me that in the early 60s there was everything in the shops, but there wasn’t any money for that. And how was freedom of movement restrictions a blessing? The fact that the Soviet lie about the plight of working people in the West was refuted by what they saw? Continue tomorrow ))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Krasnodar

That's what I don’t understand ..

Why am I not surprised?

[Krasnodar]

In the light of your intellectual and physical superiority over others, something you are showing with all your might on the site, it would be very strange to cause your surprise Whatever it is ..))

[Machito]

Of the deputies, it’s time to beat the crap out. Cut the salary 10 times and make it work.

[albert]

Kicking up, preferably.

[pvv113]

And paint silver to save money on the monument

[Yu-81]

Hands off Vladimir Ilyich !!

The next point in a couple of years will be the question - what kind of doll is there with us? Remove everything, including the mausoleum.
Oh, how hot is our newfound bourgeoisie and gentlemen all that is connected with the conquests of the revolution and its leaders.
Well, nothing, the more they press, the stronger the answer will be.

[Svarog]

The deputy calls the positive consequences of the burial of Lenin "significant savings in budgetary funds" currently allocated for "expensive procedures to maintain the body of the leader of the revolution in the current state."

Reduce your salary and take away pensions for the State Duma, and if the Federation Council is disbanded, there will be plenty of money. Why is the Federation Council needed?
The bourgeoisie is trying by all means to get rid of the Soviet past, but how do they differ from the Poles and Ukrainians who destroy the monuments?

[Machito]

They are even worse. Fifth column.

[Vend]

An interesting solution is a compromise. Both ours and yours. I think it will not work, both camps will be against.

[ecologist]

we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial One of such territorial "conquests" is the annexation of Novorosiya to Ukraine. If we bury Lenin in a Christian way, are we ready to lose this "conquest"?

[ver_]

... the territory he gave - to Finland, the coast of the Caspian Sea - to Iran, part of the territory - to Ukraine ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ver_

... the territory he gave - Finland

Hehehehe ... for Finland it is worth saying thanks to EIV Alexander I - for it was he who designed the provinces transferred to Russia from Sweden in eternal abscess on the body of the Empire - The Grand Duchy of Finland, with its governing bodies, laws, language, etc. Moreover, he added to him from the bounty of the lands of the Empire - the Vyborg (Finland) province with the territory right up to Sestroretsk.

[Loess]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

Let me clarify exactly what territorial conquests do you mean? Those that happened under Lenin? As far as I know, at that time there were only losses ... Moreover, even Stalin could not return some of the losses.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

What are the territorial conquests? Finland? Poland?

[Yu-81]

And you look further. Not specifically Lenin, but the entire period of Soviet power. For Lenin is its founder.

[Krasnodar]

I agree with this.

Quote: yu-xnumx

And you look further. Not specifically Lenin, but the entire period of Soviet power. For Lenin is its founder.

[svp67]

Quote: Tank jacket

since we can lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

???????? Here is the question. And what territorial conquests occurred under this leadership? Ah, yes, Russia has returned Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, parts of Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and Azerbaijan under its wing? Everything that came back, everything happened under STALIN. Surnames do not confuse

[Tank jacket]

He stopped the further dismemberment of Russia after the First World War.

[svp67]

Quote: Tank jacket

He stopped the further dismemberment of Russia after the First World War.

?????? how? Finnish independence?

[Tank jacket]

Finished the revolution, kept it from the world revolution. Russia was to become the brushwood of the world revolution and burn in it.

[svp67]

Quote: Tank jacket

Finished the revolution, kept it from the world revolution.

Do not attribute to him what was not. In fact, until the very last moment of its life, the USSR fought for a "world revolution," which in many ways undermined itself. Since the money allocated for this was deleted from his economy.

[Tank jacket]

Yes, not until the last moment is an exaggeration. Stalin, for example, did not support the Communists in France after the end of the war. Spain before the war, too, did not take the storm. Sentenced sent, and those columns did not poison

[svp67]

Quote: Tank jacket

and not until the last moment is an exaggeration.

Unfortunately no. So, no one has yet said where the "KPSS money" has gone. And there are stories that in the last days of the USSR, money for friendly communist parties went to their accounts.

Quote: Tank jacket

Sentenced sent, and those columns did not poison

And what were those "vacationers" fighting on? Could you tell

[Tank jacket]

Well, the State Department also sends money to the Liberals, this support is not military-economic.

[Tank jacket]

I-16 fighters

[Krasnodar]

Tanks. Volunteers. Weapon.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: svp67

So far, no one has said where the "KPSS money" has gone.

Americans should be asked.

[Dart2027]

Quote: svp67

And what were those "vacationers" fighting on?

On what was bought for gold received from Spain.

[Faceless]

Quote: svp67

Do not attribute to him what was not. In fact, until the very last moment of its life, the USSR fought for a "world revolution," which in many ways undermined itself. Since the money allocated for this was deleted from his economy.

Let's not confuse the ideas of the world revolution and the ideas of socialist / communist / Soviet influence.

[Cartalon]

And why was Lenin territorially conquered there? He kind of once gave territory

[just exp]

Poland, Finland, a third of Ukraine became Ukraine because of Lenin. and before that they were purely Russian lands.

[Faceless]

Of course, it's time to bury this mummified corpse. Considerable effort is spent on maintaining its adequate condition. It is regularly pulled out, washed, made up, put back. This circus at the state level looks frankly wild. The dead must lie in the ground.

At the same time, V.I. Lenin is the personification of the era, its symbol. Without V.I. Lenin, the mausoleum will lose its meaning, and yet it is part of our history. Therefore, putting the layout there and leaving it as it is is the most sensible idea.

The attitude to V.I. Lenin is diverse. In most of the older generation, it causes positive emotions.
My opinion: V.I. Lenin, of course, is a great man, a bright passionary, a rare, piece instance, born one in thousands and thousands.
At the same time, this does not prevent him from being a liar and a murderer, a man who has not worked a day in his life, a traitor to his homeland, who destroyed the Great Russian Empire with English and German money with fellow bandits, a man who is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russians . These his actions are no different from what happened a century later on the Maidan in Ukraine. The consequences are catastrophically reflected so far.
What, if RI was among the winners of 1918, and if the revolution did not happen, would we not have built magnets and dniprogeski? Or would they not have flown into space before everyone else ?. Would fly away - where would they go .. But where to get 500 million Russians by 000, about which D.I. Mendeleev wrote in his forecasts? - leave this question as a rhetorical one.

The duality of attitude towards him will always be controversial. The ideas of the world revolution that seemed now ridiculous and absurd then looked completely different. Today we have other myths - democracy, which everyone aspires to as best they can. The comparison, of course, is lame, but in general there are similar trends.

However, the foregoing is by no means an excuse for war with monuments. This is our history, our Great History. She needs to know and be proud of victories, and defeat with pain and bitterness. Therefore, both the mausoleum and Lenin in it must be left. but the latter - as a layout. And the corpse should be betrayed to the earth, although it would be my desire to burn it and scatter the ashes downwind partly over England, partly over Germany. Even if she once again completely slurps the infection, which, as a bacteriological weapon, once sent to the Russian Empire in a sealed carriage.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Faceless

At the same time, this does not prevent him from being a liar and a murderer, a man who has not worked a day in his life, a traitor to his homeland, who destroyed the Great Russian Empire with English and German money with fellow bandits, a man who is personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Russians .

The Russo-Japanese war claimed about 200 thousand lives (killed, wounded, died from wounds and diseases that were captured), the First World War claimed 6 million lives for the same indicators. The power, after the abdication of Nicholas 2 from the throne, was seized by the bourgeois liberals led by Kerensky, who were ready to distribute the Russian lands of the USA, Britain and France, and Lenin seized this power from them.

So, the tsar was personally to blame for the collapse of the Empire, who was merciful and abdicated, abandoned the Russian people, ending the 300-year reign of the Romanov dynasty.

[Tank jacket]

Nyrobsky (Dmitry) Thanks for the post.

[just exp]

Lenin didn’t intercept anything from Kerensky, for initially they were the hands of one hydra and a New York bank kagal, by the way a cut-off bank kagal, and wanted to arrange a bloodbath for the Russians, which he did with Trotsky’s hands.
if it weren’t for Stalin, why the hell would you be writing something here. I wouldn’t have you at all in this world.

[Faceless]

Quote: Nyrobsky

So, the tsar was personally to blame for the collapse of the Empire, who was merciful and abdicated, abandoned the Russian people, ending the 300-year reign of the Romanov dynasty.

Dear Nyrobsky (Dmitry), it is pointless to eliminate your prime illiteracy in questions of history, but I will answer completely odious statements.

Firstly, if you give the figures of losses, then count those who died in civilian life, the consequences of dispossession, collectivization, who died from two waves of hunger in the 20s and 30s, and much more, pay attention to the methods of calculating the corresponding losses and you will realize (I hope) the catastrophic nature of the situation (liberals usually discuss the topic of repression, but in numbers - it wasn’t so scary compared to what was said) and at the same time - the number of death sentences, for the first 10 years of the power of the Soviets and the last 10 years of the Romanov’s power . Eloquent figures must be said. However, they are few for any conclusions, except for the one-sidedness of your previous comment.

The territorial integrity of Russia, in principle, never cared for Lenin. For that matter, Stalin came forward as the collector of Russian lands and the creator of the Russian economic miracle - having taken the ruins and ashes of Ilyich cosmopolitans and left the country with a nuclear bomb. There, too, everything was not clear, but I will not rewrite the dissertation on history in commentary here.

Regarding Nicholas II, who, incidentally, is deservedly ranked as a saint, which already says a lot.
On March 4 (17), 1917, the Provisional Government formed an Extraordinary Investigation Commission to investigate the illegal actions of former ministers, chief administrators and other senior officials of both civilian and military and naval departments. As a result, this commission, created, as the name implies, to expose and expose the tsarist regime, was unable to confirm any accusations against the tsar, nor the tsarina, nor the ministers of the tsarist government - except for General V. A. Sukhomlinov (Minister of War until the summer of 1915 of the year).

I paraphrase to make it clearer: a biased commission created by opponents of the monarchy, which included people opposed to the monarchy to search for the crimes of the monarch, Could not find them.

To create a similar commission against the Bolsheviks is unnecessary. An explanatory and thorough essay on this subject is beyond the power of writing to any first-year student of a humanitarian university.

If Lenin hadn’t had foreign money, the natural talents of a speaker and organizer, criminal inclinations and passion, he would not have led anyone behind him. Not a single revolution is done by the will of the majority of the people. It is always done by a minority, by deceiving and competent propaganda, setting the majority to shake the foundations, substituting concepts, and trampling moral and order.

About quotes about a miracle - the following comes to mind. The miracle really happened then. His name is, incidentally, the Compiegne truce and the revolution in Germany. If the revolution happened there a couple of years later, the Republic of Ingushetia had all the prerequisites to fall apart into specific principalities, to the sweet songs of fanfarons and cosmopolitans about the bloody and mythical dictatorship of the proletariat and the no less mythical idea of ​​the world revolution.

[Yu-81]

Responsibility for the civil war rests entirely with the tsarist generals, landowners, bourgeois, fists and foreign businessmen.
Thickness in the knowledge of history is your property.

[race]

Quote: yu-xnumx

Responsibility for the civil war rests entirely with the tsarist generals, landowners, bourgeois, fists and foreign businessmen.
Thickness in the knowledge of history is your property.

Well, you’re talking nonsense! From your own words it follows that one of those who unleashed a civil war were fists?

[Yu-81]

They supported her. And this fits into the framework of responsibility.
You can’t argue with arguments, then keep your estimates with you.

[race]

Who are the fists? They are peasants. They did not need the war at all. They are already tired of the war. It's just that when terrorists (Bolsheviks) who illegally came to power declared all prosperous peasants enemies of the "revolution" and began to apply economic measures (surplus appropriation) to them, and often forceful influence (taking hostages from among families, etc.), of course, the peasants began defend their rights in any way available to them. But, as a rule, this resulted in local uprisings, the largest of which was the Tambov uprising of 1920-21. The peasants did not join the White movement en masse, since there were their own differences.
In general, the main and only reason for the outbreak of civil war is the illegal coming to power as a result of the armed coup of an international terrorist organization called the Bolshevik party. Try to challenge it.

[Yu-81]

How interesting you twist the story)) you can immediately see that you know it from stories that are already sore, that poured and are pouring from the TV screens.
So, they began to carry out an additional reconnaissance with the king, look on the Internet about this and may knowledge come with you.
Fist, this is not just a peasant, this is a man who kept a village or other settlement, lending to his neighbors at interest that was unrealistic to pay, but people did it, because their survival depended on it. But the return of such debts or bondage was provided by attracting strength, people who are loyal to the fist and working for him. In our days, this is called organized crime groups. And such fists had power from above to the bulb. That royal, that some other. The tsarist government was quite happy with this. But the Bolsheviks, creating a just state of equal opportunities for all, could not calmly look at such figures. Although even such animals as the Bolsheviks gave these same fists almost 10 years to accept the new rules of life. And whoever didn’t accept them went to 30 years to special camps.
And those about whom you painted here so, it was the middle peasants, and this is a completely different category. You read, it will be useful to you.
Regarding the Bolsheviks' illegal coming to power ... this is already not getting into any gates. I’m embarrassed to ask, and who was legally present there? Could it be an interim government, which was represented by people who made the tsar give up power? It was they who plunged the country into chaos. Chaos is a loss of power if you do not know it. But the Bolsheviks raised this power and put things in order. And the order would have been achieved much easier if the Gaspada-good did not decide to try to regain power by force. Read how these beautiful people robbed the very peasants and how they fled to the Bolsheviks.
You would have to learn a lot before messing up the Internet with your childhood comments.

[race]

How to write, right on the textbook. Do not remind for what? Actually, I did not expect anything else from you. Answer the question: what is behind you? Maybe the Higher Party School or the WPA named after the leader of the proletariat?

Quote: yu-xnumx

And those about whom you painted here so, it was the middle peasants, and this is a completely different category. You read, it will be useful to you.

So what to read, you didn’t write?

[race]

Yuri, you have not answered my question. In addition, you recommended that I read some literature, but did not specify which one.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Faceless

Dear Nyrobsky (Dmitry), it is pointless to eliminate your prime illiteracy in questions of history, but I will answer completely odious statements.

Before eliminating my "denseness", take the trouble to answer just one question - "Why did the people" exhausted by prosperity ", whose children suffered from diathesis from sturgeon caviar and pineapples with hazel grouses, who wrote in golden pots and played with silver toys, did not go to Yekaterinburg to rescue his benefactor king and did not rise under the banner of the white army? "

[Dart2027]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The Russo-Japanese War claimed about 200 thousand lives (killed, wounded, dead from wounds and diseases captured)

Those captured and lost their lives are not the same thing - the majority calmly returned home, and all the dead were four times less.

Quote: Nyrobsky

World War I claimed 6 million lives for the same indicators

Similarly.

Quote: Nyrobsky

So in the collapse of the Empire, the tsar is personally to blame, who was merciful and abdicated

Being virtually a hostage.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Before eliminating my "denseness", take the trouble to answer just one question

why did the construction of communism fail?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Dart2027

why did the construction of communism fail?

"Late" communists relaxed to the edge, on which they got burned, having missed such traitor moles as Gorbachev and Yeltsin in their ranks. The purge of the party ranks should not be carried out from time to time, but must be systematic. As a matter of fact, the building of communism continues, but in a different country and according to somewhat different rules, demonstrating a huge growth in economic and military potential, under the leadership of the Communist Party of China.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Nyrobsky

"Late" communists relaxed to the edge, on which they got burned, having missed such traitor moles as Gorbachev and Yeltsin in their ranks

And that they were alone? In my opinion there the whole elite betrayed in full force.

Quote: Nyrobsky

In fact, the construction of communism continues, but in a different country and according to slightly different rules

And how are billionaires combined with this? There is no communism in China. The name remains, but the essence is not.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Dart2027

There is no communism in China. The name remains, but the essence is not.

I wrote about this to you - "according to slightly different rules"

Quote: Dart2027

And that they were alone? In my opinion there the whole elite betrayed in full force.

And did you have to announce the entire list of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee? In my opinion, these two pretzels - Hunchback and Yeltsin are quite enough to understand how everything was launched. But since you are so meticulous, you are welcome to admire

You are a strange interlocutor. You ask a question, and you yourself ship the cons. Forced to return - take for granted.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Nyrobsky

I wrote to you about this - "according to slightly different rules"

With private property and billionaires? Well, what kind of communism is this? Then we have the same communism.

Quote: Nyrobsky

And did you have to announce the entire list of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee?

Why the list. Just the whole top was sold in full force.

[Tank jacket]

Alejandro 3 planted a bomb, with its own law on cook children. What caused the lag in technology and in the brain. In Russian-Japanese it affected. But Ilyich was for education and a chance to fulfill all gifted people, even poor people or the lower class.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

And what were Lenin's territorial conquests?
Why "break spears"? In any elections in the country, hold a referendum on this issue. And let the people of Russia decide whether to keep this "mummy" in the Mausoleum or bury it. Let me remind you that Ulyanov was baptized.
I.V. Stalin is buried in Red Square. The people remember him. So it's not about the "mausoleums"!

[georggy]

Referendums have already been held. most were for the funeral - genius

[kotik77713]

Whatever the case, such an error happened in the formation of the republics! In the current conditions, a lot of territorial disputes remain! They did a pancake for the republics, especially for the outskirts (Ukraine and Belarus) .....

[Andrey Yuryevich]

from the current one to change for rubber someone, there would be more sense.

[Krasnodar]

Some women - certainly))

[just exp]

What the heck are territorial gains under Lenin?
this one miscalculated Poland with Finland, led the country to a bloody civil war, and all he did was good - but he did nothing good. if Stalin had not cleaned up the Leninists with the Trotskyists, then your grandfather would not have been in the world, for it was the sworn Russophobes who wanted to destroy the Russian people as an ethnic group.
By the way, you do not know what type of an atheist Trotsky put up a monument to Judas Iskariot, not a secular character at all. why did the atheist erect religious monuments?
maybe because he was an atheist only in words?

[Archon]

is it about the Brest peace? big conquests were, yes ...

[race]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

What kind of gains are you talking about? Especially about the territorial, please in more detail.

[Letun]

Quote: Tank jacket

Do not touch Lenin, as we may lose part of his conquests, including territorial ones.

What are these territorial conquests he made? I only represent them with a minus sign. Finland - let go, Poland - presented. Kemska volost? Yah! Yah!
Oh yes! He also lost the war, the country that lost the war. Just a military genius!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank jacket

since we can lose part of his conquests, including territorial

And were they?

[Hole puncher]

Flood in the Mariana Trench, so that it is not guaranteed to float ...

[bessmertniy]

You can bury yourself where you want, but Ilyich has nothing to throw out of the Mausoleum. We must respect the will of our people and that of our government, which made the decision to place Lenin in the Mausoleum. Otherwise, what are we better than the Ukrainian Bendera and Poles who destroy our monuments.

[snake]

Quote: bessmertniy

You can bury yourself where you want, but Ilyich has nothing to throw out of the Mausoleum. We must respect the will of our people and that of our government, which made the decision to place Lenin in the Mausoleum.

What is the use of Ilyich in the Mausoleum when the same Mausoleum is draped on May 9? The power that made the decision to place Lenin in the Mausoleum ... Excuse me, what are you talking about? Now the power is completely different. She makes anti-Soviet films, she is further and further removed from the people, she is precisely what Lenin would certainly fight against if he were alive.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: bessmertniy

We must respect the will of our people and that of our government, which made the decision to place Lenin in the Mausoleum

And why should I respect the decision of the geeks who committed an armed seizure of power? I did not make a reservation about the geeks, they all turned out to be geeks and enemies of the people, spies of all possible intelligence services.

[Flavius]

Quote: Puncher

Flood in the Mariana Trench, so that it is not guaranteed to float ...

Here I agree with you. Very efficient offer.

[Uncle lee]

You just don’t trash me comrade Lenin! I am for such talk!
Bear in mind, Nekrasov, I was a comrade, and now demoted to the rank-and-file because I am a bastard - a military specialist, a colonel who had flicked this hand with his own hand.
So my eye on the enemies of the revolution is very keen.
Understand what I'm telling you!
"Two comrades served"

[just exp]

there were always enough sectarians, among kaklov there are also heroes who other Ukrainians were killed because they didn’t honor Bandera, and they killed him cruelly.

[IGU]

For MP Petrov, everything looked tolerably in the proposal until

the possibility of preserving the tradition and proposes to preserve it to replace the body of the leader of the proletariat with an exact wax or rubber-polymer copy.

I am not a doctor, but perhaps a clinical case.

[MoJloT]

Let's clone it better!

[just exp]

what for ? we have his clone called bulk.

[taiga2018]

even when he is dead, he does not give some peace of mind ... and if all kinds of deputies are worried about "saving money", they may start with themselves ...

[Observer2014]

Once again, they propose to bury the body of Lenin

I, against. And it’s enough to procrastinate this topic altogether. To impose a moratorium on this topic until 2050, for example.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Observer2014

problems for tonsils.

everything is logical, distracting attention ...

[New Year day]

this is not the most relevant for the country now. Dope rushing from the head of these deputies. More urgently, to disperse them all because of the harmfulness of their activities for the country.
MP - now a synonym for women of easy virtue

[bessmertniy]

Lenin is one of the symbols of our state. Replacing a symbol with a copy is a disgrace.

[New Year day]

Quote: bessmertniy

Replace symbol with copy ...

... follows all the deputies, Medvedev and everyone else. It’s all right with them, like a goat’s milk

[just exp]

a symbol of which state was Lenin?
I’m this freak who, for American money, made a Russian massacre, he would have killed himself without any twinge of conscience.
I don’t like kings by the way, but I hate this ghoul at all. But I respect Stalin wholeheartedly.

[Yu-81]

First you get the story and look from different angles. So far, your statements are similar to children's statements.

[just exp]

I know the story much better than you. and read history books more than you saw.
in the meantime, at your leisure, reflect on the fact that the communists were not communists at all, and the goal was not communism from the beginning. and the NEP. and all this made a revolution not for the sake of ordinary people, but to take from others what did not belong to them. in fact, it was the Jewish conquest of Russia (if you still heard the word "history", then I have a glimmer of hope that you heard about the Bund, from there and from New York the grabbing hands of revolutionaries grew, look for information by the way about who were the relatives of Leiba Bronstein and where Leiba was grubbing and shkering)

[Yu-81]

Each sentence of your comment is utter nonsense. With the exception of information about Bronstein-Trotsky.
It goes without saying that the people were different and the goals of some did not correspond to their statements. But this does not apply in any way to Lenin, who, as everyone knows, did not have and did not strive for any wealth. Even such a dreamer as you can’t bring any evidence to this, just as the much more active denunciators of Soviet power could not do this for almost 100 years.
With unsubstantiated statements and you tying, it painfully strongly shows through childhood.

[just exp]

awww man, can you hear yourself?
the fact that Lenin did not strive for wealth so much that Armand settled something not in a hut, but in an elite, emnip 6 room hut, so yes, the son of Rogozin is also not striving for riches now, but the new hut in the center is not for wealth.
and besides Finland, he still skirted in Switzerland, with much more.
but the fact that he didn’t seek to earn money for himself, and that it was large capital, yes, he was just a screen, so to speak, the face of the movement, like bulk now, and the fact that he didn’t decide to hell (like bulk now) so who is it among commies care about?
but about unsubstantiated statements, well what to say. I would like you personally to live in those days and feel on yourself what the Russian people brought such characters as the Salkind and her relatives.
and how the tail starts to shrink sharply when the Leninists begin to have the idea that the NEP was not an involuntary type of temporary measure, but an end in itself, but they tell the forced suckers that they would not ask questions about why this former private factory again became a private factory, and the workers all the same were hunched over by the landowner and all that had changed was only the surname and nationality of the landowner. Well, the fact that now you can’t even open your mouth to express dissatisfaction has changed, because the new owners, like Bandera now on urkain, can talk for days on end about the bloody regime of the past, but they don’t even allow words to be said against themselves, although they create lawlessness in general. well, the numerical composition of the whole clan has also changed, for half now lies in the ground, and not always in a buried form.
it’s so communist, to let half of his family die so that Salzman would become the owner of the plant instead of Chernov.

[Yu-81]

You still read the story, because with the naked eye you can see that your entire stream of consciousness comes from that television nonsense that has been pouring into the heads of the population for almost 30 years.
The NEP was needed only to solve the problems created by the world and civil wars. No business, all the more so global, as the transition of a huge country from one system to another is impossible to carry out with the click of a finger. This is known to any person who in his life was engaged in at least a small, but business that requires consistent organization. But it is completely incomprehensible to talkative theorists who haven’t hit a finger in life.
I will not comment on the rest of your nonsense, this is equivalent to a dispute with a child who, from a desire to argue at any cost, begins to pour in everything that he knows in principle and it does not matter whether it is related to the essence of the issue or not.

[just exp]

I haven’t been watching TV for 1 years.
I started reading 2 history books from the 5th grade, and this was the year 1990. and at first the books were only those approved by the CPSU, but even there were questions even for the child. it’s just that at that moment I didn’t fully develop those questions.
3 NEP did not solve any problem except the small financial condition of Jewish families.
read again what the NEP is and think about how the NEP was supposed to solve those problems and why they could not be solved without the NEP. and it was necessary to think about the transition of a huge country BEFORE you start the massacre, and not after.
4 in addition to calling my post nonsense do you still have arguments?
5 I’m not an anti-Soviet, I can even say a Stalinist, but I would personally hang a letterhead, Khrushchev and humpback if I had such an opportunity.

[Yu-81]

It was not the Bolsheviks who began the massacre, but apparently you still did not understand this. Moreover, the Bolsheviks would hardly have been able to come to power if it were not for the stupid tsarist policy, the mediocre waging of war, and the ensuing coup, which was carried out in February by members of the royal family, government and senior army officials. The interim government, and it was it that put Russia on the brink of complete disappearance, and only the Bolsheviks were able to prevent this. Unfortunately, this required enormous concessions in the form of the Brest peace and the NEP. By the way, Lenin himself spoke of the NEP as a temporary evil. But who cares, really? After all, you know that they all lied ...
Stalin is a faithful Leninist comrade-in-arms, who also did everything to restore order in the country and the welfare of its people. There would be no Lenin, there would be no Stalin. All who say the opposite either do not understand the issue, or frankly lie.
After Stalin, not one real communist was left at the helm. And here we are similar in attitude, these ghouls deserve nothing but a rope.

[just exp]

the Bolsheviks began the massacre, because the massacre began AFTER the October Revolution, and google about the red terror (I did not write about the Zalkid and similar characters), the word red kag be hinting that it (the red terror) was not arranged by the United Russia party and did not even exist in those days of the Socialist-Revolutionaries. Moreover, the February revolution, although it did not become the Bolsheviks, was initially sharpened for them. because if you start to study history, you will see that there have been many revolutions (of the relatively large ones recently, 4 years ago in Kiev), and all of them have one scenario and the same technology. and everywhere at the beginning everyone gathers (as in February 17th, there were Bolsheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets, there was only Rogozin and his "Motherland" along the way), but as always, the winner is the one who ordered, and who has the money for all this gave. money was given and arranged by all Jewish banking clans. therefore, there could not ultimately defeat Leib Bronstein, it was not for this that they gave money to win the Socialist-Revolutionaries, and not for that, initially, the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets and others, ruled by all the same people as the Bolsheviks, as in Ukraine, all parties and the movements on the Maidan were controlled (and sponsored) by the CIA, although in words all the progressive movements gathered there and all types were there themselves, and everything was there by the will of the people, only who wants to know knows that there was no popular will there, she was killed by provocateurs a hundred (not to remind bloody Sunday?), and most importantly, all types themselves, and there were homo scandals too (the Bolsheviks allowed cabbage rolls and gave them full carte blanche, only Stalin forbade them back), and on the Maidan the cabbage rolls were spotted (google on "blue maidan" ).
therefore, there was no February and October revolution, there was one and the same revolution, which began in February and ended in October.
and about the NEP. Do you really read only yourself and do not read what they write to you?
I'm talking about how in Russian I wrote that I am aware that they officially said that the NEP type is temporary.
only after that I wrote that temporarily it should be for suckers, so that they would not ask questions why Ivanov had lost all his brothers, wife and sons, so that instead of the landowner Chernov Zaltsman would become the owner of the plant.
once again for the gifted, I wrote in Cyrillic and in Russian - what tasks could the NEP solve and could not solve the system that existed at that time?
how could these tasks be solved ONLY by NEP?
You are a Japanese frame, you are not even able to ask yourself simple questions, those questions that even schoolchildren ask themselves, but are already climbing to teach others.
I'm really afraid to discuss issues with you a little more complicated. since my heart feels that you are not even able to understand, not something to discuss.
PS Stalin was not a Leninist comrade-in-arms, he was originally there, as it would be more correct to say, such as introduced. moreover, BEFORE the "opponent" gained too much weight. roughly the same picture was with Putin. the victorious overseas enemy after the victory relaxed, felt himself a winner so powerful that the loser would no longer recover and let into the power of the one whom he should not have let through at all. and this one who initially seemed to them to be THEIR person and had to carry out their orders, simply turned the country on the previous course (Eurasianism) and cleaned out all this camarilla that had already declared itself the winners and really began to believe in it.
By the way, for the concept of the ideology of everyone who is happy with the revolution (like to understand how they think, there is by the way more than one vector of development), I advise you to read Zamyatin "we", "the brave new world" of Huxley, and the classic Orwell, his Animal Farm and 1984
PS The Third Reich, too, was created and financed, oddly enough, by Jews and British. Jews gave money, the British created an ideology. there is generally a full star.

[Yu-81]

Look for white terror and find it. There would have been no him, there would have been no reciprocal red terror.
I don’t plan to discuss anything else with you, because you first need to figure it out with yourself and put together in one clear picture the real historical facts and the whole conspiracy theological soup set that you described.

[just exp]

I read about the White Terror without a search.
And do not la la about the fact that the Red Terror was a response.
they talked about the Red Terror and the fact that it was necessary BEFORE the civil war (that is, active fighting) actually began, it began together with the revolution itself and was used as a deterrent thanks to which the enemy surrenders without a fight, that is, it was originally a banal intimidation, but since the Bolsheviks at that time were money-laundering, that is, mentally handicapped people suffering from sadism (and reading materials and biographies and watching photos of at least the very same kalkrikov (sverdlov) and other camarilla), they showed remarkable fantasy in bullying and torture . then after that we’re talking about some other terror.
PS I summarize again - the red terror was before the white terror.
ZZY I'm glad that you are not even trying to discuss other topics, since I understand that you do not understand them, and all your knowledge about Lenin and the revolution ends with what the teachers told you at school and probably before admission to the pioneers and the October Revolution, probably still something told about the grandfather of Lenin.
it’s such a child’s memory, if something sunk into the soul in childhood, then just like that it won’t leave there. It’s a pity that after school you scored on history, you would have a chance.

[Yu-81]

You fantasize a lot and therefore communication with you is pointless.
Constructing guesses into my account personally and my education in particular already yields an 80 vanguard level, therefore, the indicator of the objectivity of your judgments is zero.
Kostikov is Kirov, not Sverdlov. If you knew the story, you wouldn’t write such nonsense.

[just exp]

I agree to the account of Kostrikov;
but I will not discuss the rest with you. because I have not seen a single historical fact or argument from you.
but to argue with an opponent who only knows how to write "haaa, I'm smart and you don't know shit, get out of here" I don't see the point.
arguing with some is like playing chess with a pigeon. he will throw the pieces, put on the board and fly away to tell everyone how he paid you.

[Yu-81]

Well, when you don’t look, it’s really difficult to see. Hearing phrases such as those described have gone from here, it seems that you have guesses built on your own person. About the pigeon is similar.
Frankly, it’s a pity the time spent on correspondence with you. There is a lot of noise, zero sense.

[just exp]

but what good is it if you don’t know the commonplace things?
you write that the Red Terror was in response to the White Terror, although the Red Terror on a small scale began even before the October Revolution, when in fact there was no white movement and it unfolded very much after the October Revolution.
then you write that the NEP was a temporary forced measure, and as you ask, what tasks did the NEP solve that the communist path could not solve? and how the NEP had to solve these problems. You are silent. so why write about what you don’t know?
You generally have all the posts about how stupid I am, and you are a smart paragraph.
re-read the entire branch from the very beginning, you can start from your first post, I will quote it

First you get the story and look from different angles. So far, your statements are similar to children's statements.

You are directly overwhelmed with historical facts, a lot of arguments, you are just a storehouse of wisdom in one post.
and recall your next post?

Each sentence of your comment is utter nonsense. With the exception of information about Bronstein-Trotsky.
It goes without saying that the people were different and the goals of some did not correspond to their statements. But this does not apply in any way to Lenin, who, as everyone knows, did not have and did not strive for any wealth. Even such a dreamer as you can’t bring any evidence to this, just as the much more active denunciators of Soviet power could not do this for almost 100 years.
With unsubstantiated statements and you tying, it painfully strongly shows through childhood.

yes, you’re right away throwing down with streams of historical knowledge, the truth is because I’m stupid, I understood only that Lenin had nothing (the armada was very surprised here, she thought that at least he had it at least regularly for some time), did not seek wealth. it’s true that I heard something similar when we were received in October. as I understand it, this is probably the very source of knowledge from where you draw your inexhaustible ocean of erudition.

remind me the next posts?
By the way, I have in my posts what I consider facts, it would be more correct to say that I have statements in comments, but for me they are facts. and you should have refuted them ARGUENTLY, and not in the style of your posts above.
Threat I ask again - read the books of Zamyatin, Haskley and Orwell, which I listed to you above, you will understand who you are praying for.
although I feel it is all useless.
for sim ask permission to leave.

[georggy]

I wonder what the mediocrity of waging war by the tsarist generals. Tell me more ..... interestingly you know.

[just exp]

Well, the Russian-Japanese at sea after the death of Makarov became mildly unsuccessful.
but there is an opinion that there at the headquarters they worked for the Saxons, and the Saxons just pitted Russia with Japan.

[ver_]

..ag - with a saber with a pull - to the waist ..

[ODERVIT]

From time to time, someone really wants to drive another wedge into the minds of fellow citizens. Everyone knows the soreness of the topic and the polar attitude of Russians to it. Why raise a wave of anger and confrontation again? Who pulls the strings of the people's representatives? Leave this topic alone. In the final outcome, history itself will determine where the body is. Let it be in a hundred or more years.

[New Year day]

Quote: ODERVIT

From time to time, someone really wants to drive another wedge into the minds of fellow citizens. Everyone knows the soreness of the topic and the polar attitude of Russians to it. Why raise a wave of anger and confrontation again?

this is so as not to be distracted by vital topics- increasing housing and communal services prices, for example ..

[Mcar]

More savings would have been if the entire Duma had been replaced "with exact wax or rubber-polymer copies."

[loginovich]

It was not for nothing that this guy lived his life once a hundred years, he does not give any homosexuals life.

[Nyrobsky]

Or maybe Vladimir Petrov is such a "great" deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region that he wants to make room in the Mausoleum for himself. Why is he not worried that the region he represents is still called LENINGrad? It looks like these parasites, the deputies really have nothing to do and they believe that by burying Lenin the people of Russia will live more satisfying and happier. he will immediately have new jobs, increase purchasing power, hemoglobin and lower blood sugar. Basically, all that remains is to dig up Yeltsin and plant his carcass in the Yeltsin Center and forcibly drive the people there, so that he rejoices at the "democratic" conquests of 10% of the population who seized all the financial, material and energy resources of Russia. Recently, besides November 7, they killed another of the legacies of the "scoop" retirement age, just a little bit left - to introduce a 12-14 hour working day and serfdom.

[Dude]

it remains a little bit - to enter a 12-14 hour working day and serfdom.

And de facto, for 12-14 hours many already they work - otherwise you can’t feed your family.
Prokhorov, by the way, already went into this topic 10 years ago

[Jerk]

Was Igor Fedorovich Letov right? Decomposed on mold and linden honey?

[Svarog]

Quote: Jerk

Was Igor Fedorovich Letov right? Decomposed on mold and linden honey?

Egor you probably wanted to say .. Egor Letov

[Jerk]

According to the passport - Igor;)

[camo]

Well, according to the passport, he is Igor Fedorovich Letov
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Летов,_Егор

[mavrus]

I wonder how VTsIOM received such survey data ... And who paid it.
And the same Petrov (or his "copy") did not try to raise the more pressing question of closing the Yeltsin Center, or VTsIOM has data that 100% of Russians are eager to build "copies" of the Yeltsin centers in every city.

[ver_]

... and Brokeback? ..when it gets sick? .. the same in the Mausoleum? ..

[cost]

or VTsIOM has data that 100% of Russians are eager to build "copies" of Yeltsin centers in every city.

Yes, and preferably mobile, like menageries and lunar parks. To today here, tomorrow there.
Inflatable ... made of rubber

[Galleon]

"In Russia, the authorities must keep the people in a state of constant amazement"
M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin
And what is just a copy? Maybe that deputy will immediately offer copies of the mausoleums in each regional city?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Svarog

Why is the Federation Council needed?

This is even more interesting than the question of the burial of the body of Vladimir Lenin. I also do not see (do not understand?) The need for SF under our manual control.

[Xazarin]

They found a way to revive former leaders. They revived Vladimir Ilyich, began to carry around the country, show. A week later disappeared. The FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSO, and RosGuard were not looking for a month. An idea came, we revive Felix Edmundovich, he will help. Revived, explained the problem. Iron Felix worked for a week, finally on the outskirts of Moscow in the attic of an abandoned house he found Vladimir Ilyich’s boot. In the boot note "Felix! I’m waiting in Finland, we start all over again !! ”

[Double major]

Well, yes ... After the pension reform, even touch Lenin - the Communists will arrange such an Maidan, mother do not grieve!

[Eirik Krause]

Maidan does not happen without money, but the Chinese comrades may not understand the adoption of hasty decisions!

[ver_]

... to the Chinese, in general, on the farm, or on the drum, what is being done in our country, they do what they consider necessary ..

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Nyrobsky

... wants to make way for a loved one in the Mausoleum.

For such a replacement, the body was already carried out, but still the place is free.

Quote: Nyrobsky

... dig up Yeltsin and put his carcass in the Yeltsin Center

Just not in Yekaterinburg, we just need the Yeltsin Center, even a lot of it.

[Hagalaz]

Personally, I am a supporter of burial. But I’m not going to impose arguments on anyone why I think so. This question needs to be resolved only through a popular vote. And the burial should be carried out only with 100% (or aspiring to this) support. You cannot exercise one will contrary to another, even if the first outweighs. At least in this matter.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Hagalaz

Personally, I am a supporter of burial. But I’m not going to impose arguments on anyone why I think so. This question needs to be resolved only through a popular vote. And the burial should be carried out only with 100% (or aspiring to this) support.

I suggest a bolder experiment! put two questions to the people at once, the burial of Lenin and the closure of the Yeltsyntsentr with the transfer of its financing to a pension fund!
in my opinion it will be nice
we can also add a third question about the burial of "holy relics".

[Hagalaz]

The holy relics are somehow not cold to me. But I completely agree with the second supplement. In all the details. Even without reference to the Leninist question.

[Dmitry Bolotsky]

Quote: kjhg

Lenin is buried in the Mausoleum at a depth of 2,5 m below the level of Red Square

Absolutely! Lenin is buried. Buried in compliance with all traditions. No one demands to bury the relics of saints - this is part of our culture, traditions, faith. THIS IS OUR STORY! And let the deputy save at his own expense.

[ver_]

... even the church caved in - this panopticon recognized legal ..

[earloop]

Joseph Vissarionovich was reburied, but the memory and respect of people of different generations for Comrade. Stalin - left! In my opinion: popular respect for the memory of Stalin over the years, without any propaganda, only intensifies. Unfortunately, with regard to Vladimir Ilyich, there is no such reverent attitude towards his memory.
The memory and respect for the deceased is due to his earthly affairs and thoughts, and not to his lifeless body and remains. It would be better if the mausoleum is left for eternal times. as a monument to V.I. Lenin and his era, inside of which the body of Vladimir Ilyich would be buried.

[ver_]

... he was buried in order to hide the traces of poisoning - * a lot of fiction for inventions * ..

[Avior]

Lenin has long become history and a curiosity for tourists.
only a stall with Coca-Cola needs to be opened in the hall, suddenly someone in the throat will dry up from excitement.
so it will be clearly.

[Sands Careers General]

I propose replacing Petrov with a copy so that nonsense does not chat.

[Freeman]

Quote: Sands Career General

I propose replacing Petrov with a copy so that nonsense does not chat.

Deputy Petrov, and so a copy.
But not a person, but "rubber product No. 2".

[Igluxnumx]

"Do not make an idol for yourself" - says the Scripture. Worshiping a corpse on display in the city center is not good, because this is Satanism. Yes, Lenin is the creator of a new state and a new ideology, yes, for his time - a major statesman. But times change, you can't live in the past. While respecting the past, you need to deal with the present. It is necessary to reburial not only Lenin, but also all the leaders and leaders of our state, whose bodies were buried in Red Square. This is a delicate matter, but nevertheless it is not a matter to create and maintain a cemetery in the city center!

[Sands Careers General]

And I did not know that "Corpse Worship" is Satanism, although I read the Bible of Satan.
And I did not know that someone worships the corpse of Lenin here. Do you know such people?
And the overwhelming majority of the Earth’s population also does not realize that they are Satanists and must urgently demolish the mausoleums of their political and spiritual leaders.
I propose to say this to the Chinese and Koreans, I would give a lot to look at the result

[just exp]

psychologists wrote the Bible of Satanists and they were not Satanists, they just created a new cult, and they created it by order of the special services.
By the way, the New Age movement is also a child of special services.
so judging Satanism by the Bible of Satan is like judging Orthodoxy by the comics of St. Paul.

[Sands Careers General]

So religion in America is imposed on comics, cartoons and booklets.

[Topgun]

and dragging pieces of bodies (relics) from temple to temple kissing them in a crowd is not Satanism?
he was a man of science !!! and I would only be glad if I knew that his body somehow serves people!

[Sands Careers General]

This is anything but satanism.
But it’s disgusting to me myself, these religious rituals drag corpses back and forth from temple to temple and kiss.
But personally, I am for not to touch Lenin.
He is buried in the Mausoleum, do not bother him.

[ver_]

... yes, not buried, not buried - there is no land above him .. - church tricks are before the barrel * Nagan * ..

[Antokha]

And you ask Satan what he thinks, is it Satanism or not. He will answer you, do not hesitate.

[Sotskiy]

The deputy calls the positive consequences of the burial of Lenin "significant savings in budgetary funds" currently allocated for "expensive procedures to maintain the body of the leader of the revolution in the current state."

Well, the utilizers - the optimizers of the country, have taken up Lenin as well, he does not give them rest. The welfare state is being utilized due to its "inefficiency" in relation to the logic of the ruling system, and why should its symbols remain?
So everything is logical. After all, it’s not for them to actually utilize themselves.
As a consolation, "Okhlos" will be thrown a bone in the form of another indexing and will be shown a "grand" show with "taking out the body", all in the best traditions of "bread and circuses". And all that remains is to legally legalize the new, corresponding to the time, serfdom in the name of the "chosen demos" and that's it, it's done! It will be possible to "congratulate" everyone on the complete victory of democracy.

[Clone]

Well, about the results of observing a cat who has nothing to do, everyone has been notified long ago ... The figures of the "initiators" do not allow the tongue to reach the famous places and therefore they gush with dubious ideas?

[cosmonaut]

bury Petrova right now, don’t wait 24 years. And bury all the rest who ripen people's brains ... distracting from really important problems

[Tashkent citizen]

Once again, Russia decided to raise the issue of the burial of the body of Vladimir Lenin. This question was taken care of by the deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region Vladimir Petrov, who proposed creating a special commission to resolve this issue, reports RT with reference to the deputy’s request to the Cabinet ...

I also want to be a deputy.
Do nothing, do not answer for anything. Reflect on the meaning of life and the mortality of existence. About Mars and aliens. Meditate on yachts and islands.
After all, everything is in order in the native country. Everyone is happy. The people have no worries, troubles. One problem remained - the funeral of V.I. Lenin.
I'd have a great job. And the salary is excellent.

[Gardamir]

If the deputy is replaced with a copy, it is possible silicone, then the costs will definitely decrease significantly.

[Romanenko]

Well, yes, rebury Lenin, that’s the question.
And everything else in our country is excellent and wonderful.
Such proposals are the first sign that people are out of place, do not know what to do ...
Either expand the river, or redirect the Dnieper, or bury Lenin ???
In my opinion, the deceptives of the decommunisers should be immediately expelled from all state bodies immediately after such proposals with a further ban on working in them.
Enough, Ukraine has already played a role in rewriting history!
We also broke firewood at Bor.
It’s time to take on the mind, and such idiots are simply to drive!

[seregin-s1]

He hated all the gentlemen
The king and the generals
But he loved ordinary people,
Loved the little kids.

All the kids these days
Grow like a spring garden.
So let them try
To be like Lenin!

translation from Ukrainian Z. Alexandrova.))))

[gurzuf]

Quote: Bearded

Replace Lenin in the mausoleum with a rubber doll.
Petrov has seen enough of dubious films.

That way you can put up a monument to Petrov - bury it up to the waist, paint the rest with "silver". Seriously though, as for me, you need to bury a person.

[Archivist Vasya]

VTsIOM polls showed

that these polls do not mean anything - so the figures drew, supposedly engaged in activities .... Who were these idiots asking at all?
What mentally retarded people favor the burial of the leader’s body ?! Normally, he lies there, doesn’t bother anyone, people go to see. Tradition, tribute to Soviet history.

[Berkut24]

Lord, yes bury, finally, Ulyanov next to his mother, as he bequeathed! At least with honors, at least with a rally, at least on a gun carriage, at least with red banners. In all countries, the center is a square, a palace or some kind of attraction. And only here we have a cemetery.

[koshmarik]

Almost all of this kind of proposal goes through three well-known stages: Complete nonsense, there is something in this sentence, a sensible sentence. Therefore, gentlemen, comrades, let's think. Nobody is in a hurry.

[senima56]

Even 10-15 years ago, he proposed to replace Lenin's body with a wax figure (the body is not much different from it), having ordered one from the Madame Tussauds. The figures made there are very similar to the original.

[gorgo]

Quote: shark

Demolishes the mausoleum and voila. The dream of the liberals of all Russia has come true. Here is the script. Spent and tested.

Just wondering ... Judging by your profile picture, you are a monarchist. How do you get V.I. Lenin with the monarchy in your head?

[M. Michelson]

Yes, the country has long been replaced with a copy, and what can we say about the inhabitant of the Mausoleum!

[samarin1969]

After a series of failures in foreign and domestic policy, the authorities find it beneficial to play the Russians against the communists. With NATO approaching, it is necessary to prohibit "historical" fights. Soon we will all be in the same trench.

[Vlvl]

What fools we have in deputies. That's why we live like that. Dismiss to save budget.

[Kapkan]

Just bury the man, Herods ...

[Lawyer]

He killed so many people, shot, buried alive, hung and drowned the dissent. The embodiment of antichrist. So that the earth, even after a hundred years does not accept.

[Antokha]

Well ... here they will argue vigorously with you, or they will kill for death for such words. But to support you, I’ll say that Lenin considered Christ to be his personal enemy. This makes a person the Antichrist, at his own will.

[Tavrik]

Lenin and Stalin, with all the costs and distortions of their time, geniuses and giants compared to the current "leaders". The true leaders of the nation, people who have united millions of citizens of a multinational country. After October 1917, there was a fantastic release of energy from people who believed their leaders. As a result, at a frantic pace, with enthusiasm and enthusiasm, the country began to build and develop in all areas. The current "figures" do not have anything like that, and so they rage.

[Gardamir]

Here they discuss V.I. Lenin, but here is the man who betrayed the country



For this he was assigned the Yeltsin Center. Billions have been spent on construction. And how many people he killed during his reign, the terrible civil.
Here V.I. Lenin is accused that he did not attach anything. And you really do not know the history of your homeland? In early 1918, the Americans captured Arkhangelsk. in the spring, the Japanese entered Vladivostok, what did they really not know? But the Bolsheviks defended the country ...

[Chicha squad]

Putin really does not like Lenin

[Antokha]

And Lenin Putin?

[faterdom]

This loan (a similar word, but ... not allowed) decided to quarrel with China again? On an ideological basis. Does he not want to cut Aurora for scrap metal? Also, because the money he cares so much about!
Lord, when these unicorns realize that ideas are an order of magnitude stronger than money, and that Lenin is a figure in history, what’s the way for microorganisms - Medvedev, Dvorkovich, and even Yeltsin and Chubais!

[Alex Justice]

Transfer it to the balance of the Communists. They will bury him right away.

[dinis]

It’s time to bury this villain.

[gunnerminer]

Fear has big eyes.

[Viktor77]

And you can also save a lot of money by maintaining the bodies of deputies and ministers in “current condition”!
Moreover, in the Duma there are only artists and athletes.
They don’t save money on that; as always, they only create the appearance of work.

[Antokha]

To reduce the cost of the procedure, wax or rubber-polymer copies of Lenin need to be produced en masse. Half of the readers of VO, judging by the reviews on this article and in general, are simply obliged to buy one of these. Moreover, you can put it or put it down depending on how you want it. It's like he's alive. But we must hurry to start production before the Chinese get involved and start selling us low-quality fakes. You can also sell a toy for children: a small mausoleum with a figurine of a leader. And what if the mausoleum is demolished and Lenin is buried, how can you then explain to a child that all this existed? How to continue the tradition? He will still break away from the glorious past. And then there will be a toy, dad will tell you what it is.

[Eirik Krause]

What kind of scoundrels are there, constantly pitting one part of society against another? You didn’t put it there, and it’s not yours to clean it up!

[hrych]

Quote: Eirik Krause

You didn’t put it there, and it’s not yours to clean it up!

But the Bolsheviks didn’t build Red Square, and they shouldn’t put it there in a ziggurat.

[serg.shishkov2015]

he is either a slacker or a provocateur! Do we have any other problems in our country? earns cheap popularity! They'll be discussing all this right now!