Israel: Hamas shot at a bus of Russian-made ATGM

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Israeli officials, commenting on the events with the defeat of a Palestinian bus rocket in Israel, said that the military wing of Hamas used anti-tank missile system. Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made".

This statement was made by the head of the press service of the IDF Jonathan Conricus (Jonathan Conricus). According to him, the preliminary investigation data are such that they fired from the Palestinian side from the Kornet anti-tank systems. Konrikus said that during the shelling of the Israeli bus, an Israeli army soldier was injured.



Israel: Hamas shot at a bus of Russian-made ATGM


Recall that initially reported injuries to three civilians. Now, the IDF says that Hamas fired at a “civilian bus carrying soldiers”.

Konrikus:
The shelling was intentionally aimed at killing Israeli citizens.


Further, the question of where Hamas could have been from was the Kornet ATGM, if it really was him. The head of the press secretary of the IDF said that, in all likelihood, the anti-tank missile complex was in Gaza after Iran’s illegal shipments.
Konrikus:
It is Iran that is the largest illegal supplier. weapons Hamas fighting wing.


Recall that earlier in Syria, in the warehouses, previously controlled by terrorists of various factions, government forces repeatedly found American-made and Israeli-made weapons and ammunition.

On the eve of Gaza, it was announced a cease-fire and readiness for a truce with Israel through the mediation of Egypt. And in the Israeli government previously stated that they refuse to contact with Egyptian representatives and representatives of the UN, who performed mediatory functions.
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  1. +52
    14 November 2018 07: 40
    Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.
    1. +12
      14 November 2018 07: 59
      Nuuuuuuu ... The point is small - find the tracks of Petrov and Bashirov!
      1. +5
        14 November 2018 08: 39
        What for? Normal highlilikli will do.
        1. +4
          14 November 2018 12: 34
          The United States sells Soviet weapons to all militants, militants .. I won’t be surprised if there are deals between the United States and the owners of Russian weapons with a view to buying them out with subsequent resale. Therefore, there is nothing supernatural even if this ATGM is ours.
          1. +2
            14 November 2018 13: 27
            I looked at the photo of a crashed bus

            What a weak Russian "Cornet" among the Palestinians. The rear of the bus was set on fire, not even the windows were knocked out. Also to me, anti-tank complex.
            Whether the "Cornet" from the city of Kovrov, zhahnet so much that the tank turret rips off.
            Paliwood, he's such a Paliwood ...
            1. -4
              14 November 2018 18: 59
              I looked at the photo of the original hit, on the very first link from Yandex (Google):

              Given the peculiarity of posting publications of this news observer in the form of attachments from photos and videos, it is not difficult to guess that 90 percent of them are inserted as screensavers for readers who are not versed in the topic (like you) "- from the first picture that comes across in a search engine. you never got it ... oh yes, laziness, savagery and degradation have already reached the couch expert ... where are we to the decaying west ... Just to fart, but deeper ... Father did not teach you: "seven Measure once, cut once "? or for example:" Trust, but check "? It is a pity that the herd instinct has overcome the brains of most readers, you are like animals that are fed in a stall every day with high-calorie food to the limit, from this you get fat, muscles will be reflected (in this case, the brains).
              Although I can guess the true root of the evil of this behavior of people, in psychology it is called - Transference! Everything that you did not achieve in your life or you didn’t manage to achieve anything, everything that you dreamed of simply lost its meaning, because you resigned yourself and now you don’t see anything good further in your boring and useless life (but who is to blame? !) and you look for these problems in everything external, done by someone else. But who do you think is "to blame" .. No one is to blame, except yourself, whose minds were so beautifully influenced, having developed a ruminant herd instinct over the years, and you did not even understand: how did this happen? Because you were once carefully moved from your reality to a parallel one, in which you live so sweetly and blame everyone who lives beyond borders for everything, except yourself. But such a mass of people is very easy to manage and conduct experiments in the form of NLP media stuffing, shielding from reality, you did not even notice how you became the experimental majority of people who are kept on the chain of your own imaged brain. But it will hurt you to realize this and you will hide behind some short-term facts of success from your life that you are doing well. It seems to me that you are at the stage of realizing that the earth cannot be round, but this is just a layer where the earth ends with a steep cliff at the edge, and I am a heretic who must be burned.
            2. Maz
              +1
              14 November 2018 20: 22
              This is not that bus
              Quote: Shurik70
              I looked at the photo of a crashed bus

              What a weak Russian "Cornet" among the Palestinians. The rear of the bus was set on fire, not even the windows were knocked out. Also to me, anti-tank complex.
              Whether the "Cornet" from the city of Kovrov, zhahnet so much that the tank turret rips off.
              Paliwood, he's such a Paliwood ...
              1. 0
                14 November 2018 22: 38
                Quote: Maz
                This is not that bus

                It's hard to say which photos are real. Which spread immediately, or later.
                Yes, and the real ones are photographed.
                So all that remains is to upload only the link to the source. Unfortunately.
                https://topwar.ru/149688-raketa-porazila-izrailskij-avtobus-est-ranenye.html
      2. +27
        14 November 2018 08: 43
        I don’t remember what kind of Hollywood movie - the Russian general sells the atomic bomb to the Serbs, and they deliver it to Iran via Iran. Well, it’s clear that the Americans decided everything, they saved the world, they saved New York. But, what a saving - in one film - both Russians and Serbs and Iranians are the fiends of hell. Americans are angels.
        This situation is directly written off from this scenario. Russian weapons delivered by Iran, through the hands of Hesbollah, kills poor Jews !!!!!
        1. +10
          14 November 2018 09: 25
          Quote: Alexkorzun
          Russian weapons delivered by Iran, through the hands of Hesbollah, kills poor Jews !!!!!

          but they themselves bomb Arabs from planes made in mattress by mattress bombs
          1. +5
            14 November 2018 09: 48
            They can. They are bright elves. And God's chosen ones ....
            Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi.
        2. +6
          14 November 2018 10: 07
          Yesterday on the plane watched Mission Impossible (last). There in Eastern Europe, bandits bought three plutonium balls ... and the USSR was knocked out on each.
          1. +2
            14 November 2018 10: 09
            Sucks that then there was no Putin. It could be knocked out: "USSR. By order of Putin V.V."
          2. +1
            14 November 2018 10: 56
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Yesterday on the plane watched Mission Impossible (last). There in Eastern Europe, bandits bought three plutonium balls ... and the USSR was knocked out on each.


            and also the instruction in Russian -
            1. +5
              14 November 2018 12: 59
              Quote: Yuyuka
              and also the instruction in Russian

              1. -2
                14 November 2018 20: 21
                Quote: LSA57
                Quote: Yuyuka
                and also the instruction in Russian


                and what is the hell about this bullshit in the form of a real allowance?
                1. +3
                  14 November 2018 20: 23
                  Quote: poquello
                  Quote: LSA57
                  Quote: Yuyuka
                  and also the instruction in Russian


                  and what is the hell about this bullshit in the form of a real allowance?

                  to you personally, I didn't pop anything
                  and if you left a sense of humor in the toilet, it's not my fault hi
                  1. -2
                    14 November 2018 20: 26
                    Quote: LSA57
                    to you personally, I didn't pop anything
                    and if you left a sense of humor in the toilet, it's not my fault hi

                    so write "joke", otherwise they will believe
      3. +2
        14 November 2018 08: 48
        Nope. Petrov on usrain warehouses firing. And Putin is away
    2. SSR
      +9
      14 November 2018 08: 36
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.

      + immediately called the same association))
      The statement itself also resembles the old mantras of Theresa May, piglets and the like, the main thing is to declare louder - we have the details and facts, but we will not show them to you, they are secret. Poor Psaki plagiarizes. )))
      1. +5
        14 November 2018 08: 49
        Yes Lacks Psaki. They are just miss december amid mei.
    3. +6
      14 November 2018 09: 04
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.

      "Where there was a crest, there is nothing for a Jew to do"
      laughing
      They are testing weapons for Jews, and Jews for other Jews, now it’s clear why there is war .... fellow
      From Hamas bins - ATGM Cornet (or its Iranian clone Dehlavie). The first use of Cornet in Gaza was on December 6, 2010 ...

      Dehlaviye
      Type ATGM
      Status in service
      Developer Iran
      Years of development 2012
      Adoption 2012
      Years of production 2012
      Years of operation 2012-present
      Key Operators Iran
      Main Specifications
      Firing Range: up to 3 and up to 5 km.
      Penetration: up to 1200 mm
      1. +2
        14 November 2018 10: 23
        Iran has copied both TOU and Cornet, by the way.
    4. +3
      14 November 2018 09: 18
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.


      So the teachers are the same ...
    5. +13
      14 November 2018 09: 54
      Truly, this is national !!!
      1. +5
        14 November 2018 10: 24
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        Truly, this is national !!!

        it all started with a Powell test tube in the UN Security Council
        1. +6
          14 November 2018 10: 30
          Well Powell is also not the original. Many were able to do this before him, not only he ...


          Odysseus (Trojan horse), Tit Oateson, Maddof, Piltdown man, Dreyfus case, Clinton's swearing lies, Watergate, burned down Reichstag .... They can, whenever they want.
          1. +3
            14 November 2018 10: 51
            Quote: Alexkorzun
            Many were able to do this before him, not only he ...

            And that was ... wassat
    6. +4
      14 November 2018 11: 04
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.

      =========
      good At the same time, the "pigfuehrer pig" was notoriously "burned": Has anyone noticed the holes in the iron sheet from the bus? Most of them are of the correct round shape !!! This is not typical of the Grad shells. At least I am not aware of the Grad MLRS shells, which have ready-made striking elements in the form of balls, but such GPOs have directional antipersonnel mines (MON-50 and MON-90), which brave ukrovoyaks shoved along the sides near the checkpoint ......
      In addition, the Grad shells fall vertically and give a close to circular dispersion of fragments, and the bus damaged near Volnovakha had traces of a very heap of fragments hit:

      1. +1
        14 November 2018 13: 11
        In Volnovakha MON-90 was.
    7. Maz
      0
      14 November 2018 16: 07
      Il20 and 14 officer lives. Klaas's ashes burn my heart. Share.
    8. +4
      14 November 2018 16: 07
      Quote: Gray Brother

      Photo pleased. Apparently this is a national one.

  2. +17
    14 November 2018 07: 41
    The war of a terrorist organization against a terrorist state. Everything that happens there is quite natural.
    1. +12
      14 November 2018 08: 22
      Hamas was born by Israel itself and still has a gesheft ...
  3. +1
    14 November 2018 07: 45
    On the video, the pturs is not noticeable. If this is of course that video. In any case, the debris of the rocket is not difficult for them to show.
    1. +4
      14 November 2018 09: 28
      Quote: Tlauicol
      In any case, the debris of the rocket is not difficult for them to show.

      so it’s still worth buying to find where they passed lol
      and it is dangerous. the tulips yonder showed the wreckage of a missile that was shot down by a Boeing, and we determined that this missile was directly related to the air defense of the urkaina.
      tulips stalled for a long time
  4. +8
    14 November 2018 07: 47
    The firefighters sat and waited, when from the "cornet" on the bus hit, after all, it's hot. We got these Jewish news!
  5. +6
    14 November 2018 07: 47
    in order to make such statements, one would first have to present the fragments with markings removed from the place. and the purpose of the ATGM bus with three soldiers is too awkward. Expensive rockets on buses to spend. Where is the logic then?
    1. +12
      14 November 2018 07: 58
      Quote: Tochilka
      Where is the logic then?

      And what is the logic? In what? ISIS has weapons manufactured by NATO countries and so what? What's next?
      If you give an iPhone in the head, what conclusion will follow? After setting up Eli, talking about mutual trust between Russia and Israel should be avoided ...
    2. +4
      14 November 2018 08: 52
      The goal is very normal. But where is the result? What do they think with this fairy tale about a downed rusty empty bus will be smeared from the downing of IL28. With the bus explicit setting. Where is the launch itself? Or did the Arabs calmly dismantle it after the shot and left on foot?
  6. +2
    14 November 2018 07: 48
    What is your evidence?
    1. +2
      14 November 2018 09: 57
      Cocainum !!!
  7. +5
    14 November 2018 07: 48
    They would have presented a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... We already supplied half the world with cornet .... What can I say ... The missile most likely hit the bus right through and did not explode ... The fuse was not imprisoned for this ...
    1. -34
      14 November 2018 08: 15
      They would have presented a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... We have already supplied half the world with cornets.

      The fact of the matter is that Russia is selling its weapons to everyone who gets hit, including even the most rabid terrorists. But this is outraged when the United States acts in a similar way ..
      1. +19
        14 November 2018 08: 27
        Similarly ... The fact of the matter is that the United States sells its weapons to anyone who gets hit, including even the most rabid terrorists. But this is outraged when Russia and Iran act in a similar way ... supplying weapons to the fighters for their freedom.
      2. +5
        14 November 2018 08: 39
        Quote: igorj 51
        The fact of the matter is that Russia is selling its weapons to everyone who gets hit, including even the most rabid terrorists. But this is outraged when the United States acts in a similar way ..

        Well, nothing, Israel is treating just anyone, including terrorists from the igil, and will also cure its citizens. May God grant them health.
        1. +5
          14 November 2018 08: 50
          heals anyone horrible including terrorists from igil and heals his citizens too. May God grant them health.

          May God grant them health? belay chigoli Igilov? ...
          you your mind ... wish health to these bloodsuckers and thugs?
          They should be hung on the nearest aspen and not wish them health.
          1. +1
            14 November 2018 10: 20
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            May God grant them health? chigoli Igilov? ...

            Type joked or what? Not igilovtsam by itself and the victims of the attack.
      3. +5
        14 November 2018 09: 00
        The international arms trade is fairly strictly regulated. There are, of course, 'gray' schemes - the same 'Iran-Contra' at one time, and the black market is more alive than all living things ... But in my memory, the Russian Federation was not accused of illegal or illegal supply of weapons, especially to non-state formations. Even the United States, supplying weapons, tries to comply with formalities. In what ways, for example, did the ISIS members get modern weapons? Option 1 - the United States formed some kind of democratic forces, trained, armed, allowed into the field and 99% went over to the side of the bearded men. Option 2 - they armed the Iraqi army, and it draped, leaving all supplies in the north of the country, including the Abrams. Option 3 - the West supplies arms to the Saudis or Qataris and they no longer care how they will dispose of later. Hands are clean, the rules of decency are observed, and cynicism remains behind the scenes ...
        1. +6
          14 November 2018 09: 05
          Even the United States, supplying weapons, try to comply with formalities. In what ways, for example, did the Ishilovites have modern weapons?


          This has long been worked out and done more than once ...
          the scheme is simple to disgrace ... somewhere in the warehouses of the Iraqi army in Iraq is stored the necessary weapons (how much Isil needs for the planned operation) ... then this warehouse is suddenly captured by ISIS and everything is covered ... officially delivered to Iraq unofficially Isila ... you don’t legally dig into ... an ideal scheme for delivering weapons to terrorists.
          1. +7
            14 November 2018 09: 39
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            .Perfect scheme for the supply of weapons to terrorists.

            in Syria, they did another one like this. even simpler. by "mistake" they dumped in the wrong place. and there "accidentally" were ISIS members
      4. +5
        14 November 2018 09: 32
        Quote: igorj 51
        But this is outraged when the United States acts in a similar way ..

        oh how. Syrians are fighting with Russian weapons, and the "opposition" with striped and NATO weapons.
        Well, who sells to anyone?
      5. +1
        14 November 2018 21: 49
        The United States in Romania and Bulgaria, and not only that, has procured and possibly continues to procure Soviet weapons for supplies to its allies in the Middle East. Which is not surprising, most of the recipients are well trained in using such weapons. And Ukraine (what remained of the flourishing republic) was not at all interested in buyers, if only to sell it!
    2. +2
      14 November 2018 08: 54
      Cornets in the emirates were officially supplied. That number would be with a rocket and launcher to see.
  8. +11
    14 November 2018 07: 50
    And where are the photographs of military records of Russian army personnel found near the ATGM? Without Moscow’s hand, news is not news
    1. +13
      14 November 2018 08: 55
      Soon a witness will appear that he had heard in Russian "f * ck w * dov" before the shot.
    2. 0
      14 November 2018 10: 51
      Russian passports WHERE? I also have great intelligence services, even a piggy waved our passports ...
  9. +7
    14 November 2018 07: 50
    Hamas shot a bus from a Russian-made ATGM

    And where are the elements of a rocket or a photo of a launcher or a video on YouTube, where with a shout "Allah to the bar!" launching a rocket onto a bus? Where is the tube of white powder after all!
  10. +24
    14 November 2018 07: 55
    Israel: Hamas shot at a bus of Russian-made ATGM

    But Israel shot at civilians in the Gaza Strip using American-made weapons ... and the water is wet and we breathe oxygen, and what does this prove?
  11. +11
    14 November 2018 07: 56
    370 missiles launched. One Israeli died.
    Aviation attacked 150 objects. 5 Palestinians died.
    Pounding in the desert, or what? In order not to offend anyone much and show that they are fighting.
    On the bus with passengers hollowed out of the ATGM. 1 person injured. Would everyone stay alive in the tank?
    Who knows why the effectiveness of weapons is comparable to muskets, or even lower?
    1. +6
      14 November 2018 08: 17
      Israel hits, destroys infrastructure. Arabs - how it goes.
    2. -6
      14 November 2018 10: 03
      Killed 12 Palestinians in Gaza from Israeli air strikes and one Palestinian (guest worker from Hebron) in Israel from a Hamas missile
  12. +1
    14 November 2018 07: 58
    Israeli officials, commenting on the events with the defeat of a Palestinian bus rocket in Israel, said that the military wing of Hamas used anti-tank missile system. Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made".

    Shaw sanctions again?
  13. -15
    14 November 2018 07: 58
    Foreign media drew attention: Ukraine sympathizes with Israeli citizens, Russia sympathizes with Hamas terrorists.
    “Ukraine deeply sympathizes with the friendly people of Israel in connection with the deaths and injuries of Israeli citizens as a result of rocket attacks from the territory of the Gaza Strip.”
    - Russia: civilians may be affected in the Gaza Strip. We strongly condemn these air strikes and believe that Israel should be more restrained in responding to provocations.

    By the way, Israel has repeatedly attracted the attention of Russia that Hamas terrorists shell Russian Israel with Cornet .....
    1. +3
      14 November 2018 08: 34
      Foreign media drew attention: Ukraine sympathizes with Israeli citizens, Russia sympathizes with Hamas terrorists.

      Ukraine sympathizes with the killers of the Palestinians and Russia to the Palestinians whom the terrorist state kills.
    2. +6
      14 November 2018 09: 25
      Quote: alta
      Israel has repeatedly formed

      There circumcision, part of the culture ... feel
      1. -6
        14 November 2018 10: 16
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: alta
        Israel has repeatedly formed

        There circumcision, part of the culture ... feel


        That's right. On January 14th, Orthodox Christians celebrate the Circumcision of Jesus.
      2. +2
        14 November 2018 10: 58
        Ah how subtly you mistyped a plane of humor))))
  14. +3
    14 November 2018 07: 58
    Hamas shot a bus from a Russian-made ATGM

    And they believe that our product can injure a couple of people when hit on a bus? I wonder what their buses are made of? laughing

    1. +5
      14 November 2018 08: 12
      This is a completely different photo. The bus was completely burned out. And there is a video, but you continue to search for a black cat, and, most importantly, you draw conclusions
      1. +2
        14 November 2018 10: 05
        Quote: Tlauicol
        This is a completely different photo. The bus was completely burned out. And there is a video, but you continue to search for a black cat, and, most importantly, you draw conclusions


        Why are they trying not to show it? But because after him there are more questions than before him.
        A column of civilian vehicles is moving slowly along some wasteland. Nobody shoots at her.
        She stops. Nobody shoots at her.
        Climbing out of civilian cars ... Israeli soldiers roam homonies, disassemble equipment. Nobody shoots at them.
        All go somewhere. Nobody shoots at the column.
        Empty (!) The bus begins to turn around ... and flies in the ass.

        The "terrorists" had a great opportunity to get into a full civilian bus, but they did not. They could shoot when they saw the soldiers getting out. But no.

        And the most important question. And what were they (the terrorists) doing there? With a "cornet". In a vacant lot. How did they know that a convoy of cars would arrive there?
        1. 0
          14 November 2018 10: 41
          Why is it not shown by the Russian media? I do not know.
          As for the terrorists, - they shot as soon as they were ready - this is not an advertising show for speed
          1. 0
            14 November 2018 16: 56
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Why is it not shown by the Russian media? I do not know.
            As for the terrorists, - they shot as soon as they were ready - this is not an advertising show for speed


            The video of the "attack" was on YouTube. And Runi showed it to me, arguing. And now he is no longer there.
            That's it.
            Ask the Jewish comrades, let them lay out.
            1. -1
              14 November 2018 19: 16
              Laziness, comrade, laziness ....
              The very first link in the search engine query (Yandex): "video of an ATGM cornet hitting an Israeli bus." And they also ask why everything is through the ass in our country?
    2. +6
      14 November 2018 08: 12
      And they believe that our product can injure a couple of people when hit on a bus?

      the bus must have been empty. Only the driver was injured, who could have received a slight concussion. And there is so much noise, as if a column with civilians had been shot there. And, this is August 2006, when the Israeli Air Force shot down a convoy with Lebanese refugees, accompanied by UN officers. Then 4 civilians were killed and 16 were injured. But these were Israeli planes, and therefore "ce la vie", no one is to blame
    3. +2
      14 November 2018 08: 18
      If the cumulative ammunition and the bus are half empty, then nothing strange.
  15. 0
    14 November 2018 08: 00
    This is called to shift from a sore head to a healthy one. There are no proofs. We must wait for what our colleagues from Israel, who are great amateurs, will tell us, "show proof." As the saying goes: no body, no deed. Have the Jews gone down to shallow shavings? Does not look like. So, let's wait for more weighty arguments.
    1. -5
      14 November 2018 08: 19
      And if they find it? Will you blame your own?
  16. +6
    14 November 2018 08: 03
    civilian bus with soldiers there

    That is, the military disguises themselves as civilian objects ...
    Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions of August 12, 1949, concerning the protection of victims of international armed conflicts, of June 8, 1977. Article 51 - Protection of civilians.
    7. The presence or movement of a civilian population or individual civilians should not be used to protect certain points or areas from military operations, in particular, in attempts to protect military installations from attack or to cover military operations, to facilitate or impede them. Parties to the conflict should not direct the movement of civilians or individual civilians in an attempt to protect military installations from attack or to cover military operations.
    8. Any violation of these prohibitions does not exempt the parties to the conflict from their legal obligations towards the civilian population and civilians, including from the obligation to take the precautions provided for in article 57.

    Using a civilian facility automatically allows Hamas to strike at an Israeli peacekeeper, take a walk, six-pointed!
    1. -10
      14 November 2018 08: 20
      I hope Hamas will be deservedly punished! Good luck and fortitude to the Israeli armed forces!
  17. 0
    14 November 2018 08: 07
    "Izz ad-Din al-Qassam" claims that they banged into an empty bus from the Cornet, and the soldier just stood there ...
    In the video presented by them, it is clearly visible that before the start of the movement of the bus, the military leaves it, unloads the cargo compartments, and only after the bus starts moving towards the main convoy ...
  18. 0
    14 November 2018 08: 14
    If Iran handed over its Cornet, as I expected yesterday, well done Iranians. Sneakily and quietly))) It’s they who you have chosen from God. And they saved budget money)) P.S. Who was annoying about pensions yesterday?
  19. 0
    14 November 2018 08: 14
    It all looks like a swing. Hamas struck - Israel answered. Israel inflicted - Hamas shot. This was and will be in the foreseeable future, and probably in the distant future too. Because the Palestinians will never humble themselves, and the Israelis will never retreat.
    Well, the statements of this dude with a photo in their hands are just one lump of dirt out of a thousand daily launched towards Russia. But the whole cynic lies in the fact that this brave warrior himself does not want to thereby acknowledge the fact that:
    1. Hamas fighters know how to use ATGMs
    2. ATGM "Kornet" can hit any target.
    1. -10
      14 November 2018 08: 23
      I hope that Hamas will suffer a deserved punishment, and the manufacturer will stop selling weapons to a terrorist organization, and they will use their influence on their friends to prevent them from being sold.
      1. +4
        14 November 2018 08: 38
        Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. Hamas is not recognized as a terrorist organization.
      2. SOF
        +2
        14 November 2018 09: 28
        Quote: Scalpel
        and the manufacturer will stop selling weapons to a terrorist organization, and they will use their influence on their friends so that they don’t sell.

        ..... are you talking about "TOU" at the igiloids ??? ... or about a bunch of weapons marked in Hebrew at the same utyrks ....?
        .....log do you want to look in your "innocent" eyes? ......
  20. +6
    14 November 2018 08: 16
    They either shot from the cornet, or not, either soldiers or civilians on the bus. You are already determined Jewish comrades, otherwise it starts to resemble the dances of the old May request
  21. +4
    14 November 2018 08: 17
    The main thing is to blather out the sentence in which the word is inserted - Russia.
    "Cornet" has been produced since 1998.
    35000 pcs issued
    Main consumers: Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Greece, Algeria, Peru. Russia is natural.
    What is the most convenient way to get weapons - from Russia, or from Jordan, where the Palestinians are like dogs not cut?
    Israelis kill people using American weapons. Are the states to blame?
    Blame the one who held the finger on the trigger and pressed the button.
    But how weapons came to the Palestinians is a question.
    I wrote earlier that our leadership, professing a strange love for Israel (though that is strange) does not help Palestinians with weapons.
    But it could have delivered a couple of thousand "Cornets".
    And the army of Israel would end.
    From the word - at all.
    1. -5
      14 November 2018 08: 40
      Don’t worry, Russia has been supplying Cornet to Hisbollah terrorists for many years .... therefore, Israel has developed a dynamic tank protection system, which the Americans have already adopted ...
      1. +3
        14 November 2018 11: 25
        Quote: alta
        For many years, Russia has been supplying Cornet to Hezbollah terrorists.

        Personally, I would not be surprised when it turns out that the complex was listed in Ukraine ... like the missile that shot down a Boeing.
    2. -6
      14 November 2018 10: 27
      The fact that the weapon does not fire independently - I agree. And about a couple of thousand Cornets laughing ... not a single anti-tank system will replace tank troops, not a single air defense system will replace aviation. Therefore, all the words about the victory over the Israeli or any other army by means of anti-aircraft or anti-tank defense are nonsense and profanity, the same as the delivery of the Javelins of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a means that can return the Donbass to Ukraine.
  22. +4
    14 November 2018 08: 18
    Not fundamentally and not interesting, at the expense of the "Cornet", and so, just not the world there, civilians / soldiers died, will continue on, the same thing.
  23. +4
    14 November 2018 08: 34
    It does not matter what kind of ATGM production is at all, the most important thing is in whose hands. And half of the world now has Soviet and Russian-made weapons.
  24. 0
    14 November 2018 09: 05
    Then some did not understand that Russia is not accused. Blame Iran, which supplies terrorists with weapons.
    And the fact that the weapons on the BV shaft, as ours, and American, is no secret to anyone.
    1. +2
      14 November 2018 09: 12
      Israeli officials, commenting on the events with the defeat of a Palestinian bus rocket in Israel, said that the military wing of Hamas used anti-tank missile system. Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made".
      My vision is not good.
      Written (voiced) - Russian production.
      For those not gifted like me, this is tantamount to a Russian supply.
      It can be translated from diplomatic to human - it is a weapon of Iranian origin, but I do not reach such heights with my meager mind.
      1. 0
        14 November 2018 09: 26
        Israeli officials, commenting on the events with the defeat of a Palestinian bus rocket in Israel, said that the military wing of Hamas used anti-tank missile system. Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made".

        Production, not supply.
        We produced and delivered to Iran, and Iran has already delivered to terrorists. Everything is simple.
        1. +3
          14 November 2018 09: 39
          In a statement from Israel, I could not consider indications of such a fact.
          From the word - at all.
          Well, there is no mention of Iran there.
          But the little thoughts do not suit us. Right?
          On the website, do we often require our opponents to provide unconditional evidence?
          And if they are not, then we say - this is a fake.
          So it is here.
          It is necessary to show invoices with signatures (in the original).
          Vidio footage taken at the time of transmission.
          Joint prayer in the mosque, after receiving the goods.
          And further (12 points) through the list. hi
          Good morning to you.
          May peaceful people live.
          1. -4
            14 November 2018 10: 29
            Terrorists fired more than once with our ATGMs when they made fire on Merkavs.
            So another Cornet won't change anything. Everyone understands perfectly well that Iran is sponsoring terrorists.
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                1. +1
                  14 November 2018 11: 59
                  Oh ho ho, comrade, Hamas is not recognized by Russia as a terrorist organization, this is clause 1. Clause 2. All of the above, then write to our government, which meets with the heads of Hamas and Hesbol and is in talks with them! You can stick your verbiage to yourself .... So as not to itch!
                  1. -1
                    14 November 2018 12: 23
                    Terrorists justifies you!
                    The murder of Israeli citizens in the undermining of a tourist bus is not a terrorist attack?
                    And the hijacking of civil aircraft is not a terrorist attack?
                    And the abduction and murder of our diplomats (Arkady Katkov) is not a terrorist act?
                    You will call "friends" all who are at war with Israel so hateful to you?
                    Ugh ...
                    1. +4
                      14 November 2018 13: 04
                      And the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists, not a terrorist attack, but the bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities, without the decision of the UN Security Council, is not a terrorist attack? To bomb Iranian targets in Syria, by the way of a neighboring sovereign state, is not a terrorist attack? Have you declared war on Iran? No..? Will you call all terrorists who, with arms in hand, defend their independence against Israeli aggression? Ugh. Some kind of double standards. What did your special forces in Gaza do? Preparing a terrorist attack? You are straight, white and fluffy! Pull the log out of your eye. True love!
                2. +1
                  14 November 2018 12: 10
                  So comrade, learn materiel and do not spit. For you, militias and residents of Donbas are terrorists. And for us, freedom fighters fighting against the fascist junta. And such are objectively, that is, militias and fighters!
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2018 12: 28
                    And here the residents of Donbassсbut? They hijacked airplanes, and maybe they bombed tourists? Did I miss something?..
                    Oh yeah, this is just an attempt to stick white to black, exchanging terrorists for the residents of Donbass.
                    1. +2
                      14 November 2018 13: 11
                      Come on, stick, how come. All the chaos in Ukraine, your doing. Your ears stick out for all the outrages!
        2. +2
          14 November 2018 12: 51
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          We produced and delivered to Iran, and Iran has already delivered to terrorists. Everything is simple.

          Ahem ... and when did Iran start delivering Hamas weapons? EMNIP, Iran has supported Hezbollah all his life, the main opponent of which in the Palestinian disassembly is Hamas.
  25. +4
    14 November 2018 09: 15
    Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made" ...

    So what? When our peacekeepers were killed in Georgia and Tskhinvali was shot, it turned out that some of the weapons were of Israeli production. So why whine now? There is a good Russian proverb: "Don't dig a hole for another, and you will fall into it." Iran has simply adopted the same methods. Now Israel is now falling into those holes that he dug himself, apparently thinking that anyone will fall into them, but not he.
  26. +3
    14 November 2018 09: 22
    ATGM cornet following TTX:
    Penetration for DZ:
    Cornet-E - 1200 mm Homogeneous Armor
    Cornet-D - 1300 mm Homogeneous Armor
    Penetration without DZ:
    Cornet-E - 1300 mm Homogeneous Armor
    Cornet-D - 1400 mm Homogeneous Armor
    Penetration of concrete monolith: not less than 3000 mm
    Hence the question of what the Israelis have for the buses?
    the use of anti-tank anti-bus systems like a sniper rifle on the nearest fence
    1. +2
      14 November 2018 10: 31
      Quote: tots
      Hence the question of what the Israelis have for the buses?
      the use of anti-tank anti-bus systems like a sniper rifle on the nearest fence

      What did you bring this data to ?, You can shoot at anything from ATGMs! ) - Syria and other "hotspots" are an example of this: armored vehicles, fortifications, cars, manpower, etc.
    2. +3
      14 November 2018 11: 32
      Well, it is, a hole the size of a caliber in the fence (near the rifle), and the fence itself is intact, hit a man with a corpse. here a little more, the armored vehicle will receive more damage than the bus. in the bus, the cumulative jet just passed through the sheet metal and that's it, and into the tanks, for example (in case of penetration), there is also a huge release of heat, which melts the armor and "sprinkles" the space behind the armor. Therefore, there is a video where an ATGM gets into a passenger car and the driver is alive, and the same ATGM leaves no chance for the tank's crew. Well, this is the collective farm language. Now, if the head part was a high-explosive or a thermobar, then there would be no frame left of the bus, again, the tank would have survived it most likely. Each target has its own warhead wink
      1. 0
        14 November 2018 17: 03
        question in expediency? for example from S-300 it’s not profitable to shoot down drones
        Shelling a bus from RMB would give a worse result
        1. 0
          15 November 2018 09: 52
          I agree with you, but whoever thinks about expediency there, Shirokino is all dressed in cords like a Christmas tree in tinsel, Kakly beat almost our dogs from ATGMs. A livelier example is the 9th regiment, the ATGM battery, is being removed from a position near Sakhanka, dragging the machine and the racket on itself, they asked the commander if it is possible for the racket. Just like that, they pulnuli in the dugout, but the handsome operator put him right in the embrasure. (although as for me, there would be more effect through the wall of effect)
  27. +1
    14 November 2018 09: 22
    let them say thanks. that the ptur operator apparently specifically waited for the bus to drop off the military because there would be not one injured person but dozens of the dead.
  28. -2
    14 November 2018 09: 47
    I ran through the comments, became shallow people. However, like the article.
    1. For 7 years of civil war in Syria, they did not show warehouses with Israeli weapons.
    2. Hamas said on its own that it had fired at our bus with a Cornet. What to discuss here?
    1. +3
      14 November 2018 09: 50
      I ran through the comments, became shallow people. However, like the article.
      The Israeli comrades also did not improve ... as they were dirty tricks and remained ... they climb into a strange house without an invitation, they quietly kill, hide behind someone else's backs, attack a foreign country ... you look at yourself in the mirror ... nothing not reminiscent of the underworld. what
      1. -6
        14 November 2018 10: 03
        Quote: The same Lech
        I ran through the comments, became shallow people. However, like the article.
        The Israeli comrades also did not improve ... as they were dirty tricks and remained ... they climb into a strange house without an invitation, they quietly kill, hide behind someone else's backs, attack a foreign country ... you look at yourself in the mirror ... nothing not reminiscent of the underworld. what

        And if without snot and sobbing? Essentially have something to say? Will you sing a song about peacekeepers who did not have a mandate? To retell the admiral’s fables that the Kursk crew maintains a stable relationship? Or the general’s fables that specific radars spotted a Ukrainian fighter next to the Malaysian Boeing? Maybe the fables of another general about how an Israeli fighter hid behind the Il-20? Not interested. We have already heard these fables and we know the price.
        Regarding Gaza, the terrorists will free our hostages and there will be no foot of our special forces in their viper. It is crystal clear.

        You can not answer. I’m not going to participate in this battle. Bathe in your bile yourself.
        1. +6
          14 November 2018 10: 07
          You can not answer. I’m not going to participate in this battle. Bathe in your bile yourself.

          Come on you professor be offended ... that you as a child ...
          if you’ve got into a man’s brawl, then show the real character of Israel ... or even right into the bushes after the first serious flogging. smile
          We haven’t yet begun a real fight ... it’s still a shove.
          1. -2
            14 November 2018 11: 36
            And this is their true character.
            As soon as it doesn’t even arrive at the snot, but there is only a hint of such an opportunity - immediately, immediately into the bushes and the universal crying of pain.
        2. +1
          14 November 2018 12: 45
          Quote: professor
          Regarding Gaza, the terrorists will free our hostages and there will be no foot of our special forces in their viper. It is crystal clear.

          And what kind of hostages?
        3. +1
          14 November 2018 19: 54
          Quote: professor
          Retell fables

          Quote: professor
          Or fables

          Quote: professor
          Maybe fables

          Quote: professor
          We have already heard these fables and we know the price.

          And here is another fable laughing :
          Quote: professor
          I’m teaching in this crapвnot going to argue
    2. +2
      14 November 2018 10: 08
      Well, Israel was smart enough not to supply weapons to Syria. But support is provided by another ...
      http://usapress.net/blizhnij-vostok/212-o
      But for example, about Israeli weapons in Georgia where our peacekeepers were killed and our planes shot down ...
      https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/zzyzx_zzyzx/post100691277/
      http://www.chekist.ru/article/2344
      What to discuss here, right?
      1. -1
        14 November 2018 11: 37
        They will now tell you that this is not true.
        But in general, really - what is there to discuss?
        Once again, are killers of civilians screaming deceitfully at all angles? Nothing new.
  29. ZVS
    +3
    14 November 2018 10: 03
    Let the Jews pull the "log" out of their eyes. ATGM could be sold by any country in the post-Soviet space. But the Israeli weapons from IS militants are already a direct deal between Israel and the terrorists ..
  30. 0
    14 November 2018 10: 05
    And how many weapons made by Israel were found in the warehouses of the "Barmaley" in Syria? Or does it not count?
    The "moderates" in Syria and even the Israelis may have "cornets", or maybe Iran supplies it?
    A weapon is such a product that does not lick in one place
  31. +3
    14 November 2018 10: 12
    The dome showed LOW EFFICIENCY. Hamas created serious problems for the IDF in the conditions of "massive use" (Israeli terminology) of missiles. Although is 80 Grad missiles in one salvo a massive use? ONLY TWO PACKAGES. HAMAS TESTED the Dome successfully - found weak points. And Hamas has 20000 missiles in stock. So Israel is in trouble.
  32. 0
    14 November 2018 10: 25
    Quote: Mikhail M
    On the bus with passengers hollowed out of the ATGM. 1 person injured. Would everyone stay alive in the tank?
    Who knows why the effectiveness of weapons is comparable to muskets, or even lower?

    Logic in the know.
    The effectiveness of the musket is only in the musket.
    There are two goals, in this post.
    1. Blame Russia at least indirectly. That the sediment would at least remain.
    2. Once again, laugh at the Russian barbarians, whose weapons work at the level of muskets.
    Of course, both of them, as usual, are extremely cynical lies.
    In reality, the use of such weapons with "one person injured" is possible only in the Israeli press.
    So - either there was no weapon, or much more people were injured.
    Either there was nothing at all, and all universal crying is needed only for Israel to justify the genocide of the local population. Which, taking into account the constant total lie, has a probability close to 100%.
  33. +2
    14 November 2018 10: 34
    Jews are trying to climb out of the skin, just not to conclude peace treaties, but to continue killing everyone they want with impunity. Terrorists, they are terrorists.
  34. +2
    14 November 2018 10: 54
    dzvero ...But in my memory, the Russian Federation has not been accused of illegal or illegal supply of weapons, especially non-governmental organizations. Even the United States, while supplying weapons, is trying to comply with formalities.

    Strain your memory. Our citizen of Russia, Booth, is sitting with them (he had been selling weapons for a long time, but had a problem with organizing the "escape" of the Il-76 from Kandahar) This is their "formality"! We did not plant any of their salesmen in response, although we know each one - this is our "formality"! Yes
    1. 0
      14 November 2018 14: 28
      Was Booth an official employee of Rosoboronexport or another concern? In my opinion, he is from a cohort of "shadow" - there are necessary connections, but by and large he worked at his own peril and risk without an official roof. Actually, the story with him is murky. There is a lot of incomprehensible - why the Americans made a fuss, and did not shoot them in the alley, why some Russian officials got `` excited '' ... most likely a gray scheme of near-private business, but the Americans did not have solid evidence to officially present it.
  35. +4
    14 November 2018 10: 57
    So what? In the American synagogue, Jews were killed with American weapons.
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  37. +3
    14 November 2018 11: 02
    The head of the IDF spokesman said that in all likelihood, the anti-tank missile system ended up in Gaza after illegal supplies by Iran.
    In fact, Iran itself has been PRODUCING ATGM "Kornet" since 2012
  38. +2
    14 November 2018 11: 06
    The rats are cunning! (((
  39. -2
    14 November 2018 11: 27
    So what? And terrorists generally use weapons from around the world, especially from America.
  40. +4
    14 November 2018 11: 41
    But it’s interesting .. the planes from which they bomb Israel whose production?
  41. +2
    14 November 2018 12: 36
    Professor.....Can not answer. I’m not going to participate in this battle. Bathe in your bile yourself.

    "Professor", not ashamed in front of "students" tongue ?. When the opponent freaks out, it means that he has lost! That the "arguments" have run out, or the new manuals have not yet been received ?! Now Lieberman, they will "retire" after the meeting of your "bibi" with Putin, and you will be given new training manuals, including the IL-20. Yes
    1. -3
      14 November 2018 12: 53
      About S-200 and military topography - North-South-West-East.
  42. +1
    14 November 2018 14: 00
    blah blah blah ! where is the photo of the video of the complex You’re next to Iran, touching Russia! let them better tell about their weapons in large volumes located and located at the igil and the like !? unlike Israel, Russian complexes were in Libya and Syria even before the war, after the capture they could appear anywhere, but Israel did not deliver those weapons to Syria and Libya!
  43. 0
    14 November 2018 18: 15
    I’m always afraid of articles about Israel (problems start abruptly) But the soul requires justice and can’t do anything about it ..
    Hamas used an anti-tank missile system. Moreover, the ATGM was "Russian-made."

    So it means, according to the principle (answers to every fig directed towards Israel), should they deliver a massive blow towards Russia? So it turns out and sho you take the brain to the Arabs from the skulls ..?
    When the Russians are nearby and waiting for you .. bully
  44. +1
    14 November 2018 18: 27
    Bullshit .. After a contest rocket hit, it is unlikely that anyone would have survived.
  45. 0
    14 November 2018 22: 11
    From the category "Deliloy was thrown into the bus, do not go to the fortuneteller" ...
    Now the IDF says that Hamas fired at a "civilian bus with soldiers there."

    In general, the military secretly travels in a bus without distinctive signs and after that they declare that the enemy "is not fighting according to the rules." So the Nazis talked about the Russians.
  46. 0
    15 November 2018 09: 53
    Israel's cynicism and double standards, like the rest of the Western world, are simply off the charts. The subtext, I think, is clear: "Hamas, terrorists, Iran, Kornet and Russia"