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The video with the model of the Russian nuclear spacecraft

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In the state corporation Roscosmos presented materials on the prospects for the development of space exploration tools. On the official page of Roscosmos in Facebook A model of a promising spacecraft with a distinctive feature is presented. The peculiarity is that the power plant of such an apparatus is a nuclear reactor on board.


The video with the model of the Russian nuclear spacecraft


Funds for the project have been allocated. And, if you believe earlier publications, by the end of this year the prototype engine (YASU) of the spacecraft should already be ready.

The video itself with the presentation of a model of a spacecraft with a nuclear power plant is timed to coincide with the 85 summer anniversary of the Center. Academician Keldysh.

From the presentation material:
Today, the Keldysh Center is working on the development of spacecraft with more powerful engines - nuclear installations of a new class, for which work no sunlight or solar batteries are needed.


Experts have to solve the most difficult task of cooling a fast-neutron nuclear reactor. It is noted that we are talking about a gas-cooled system. The heat carrier in such an installation is a special helium-xenon mixture. An important parameter of such a mixture is thermal conductivity, which directly depends on temperature and concentration of helium in the mixture.

The newest Russian device, according to plans, should be used in deep space. The RSC Energia will build the spacecraft itself.
Photos used:
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  1. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 November 2018 18: 36
    +37
    That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.
    1. Machito
      Machito 13 November 2018 18: 50
      +12
      A nuclear engine will have a large fuel supply.
      Very useful for the Lunar and Martian programs.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 13 November 2018 19: 05
        +5
        Quote: Bearded
        Very useful for the Lunar and Martian programs.

        they said that it is intended for outer space
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 13 November 2018 19: 50
          +24
          I would not say that this is deep space. So, zamkadye. Deep space is much further beyond our system.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 13 November 2018 20: 00
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            I would not say that this is deep space

            at least they call it that.
            The latest Russian apparatus, according to plans, should be used in deep space
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 13 November 2018 20: 25
              +3
              Well, they spell it wrong
              http://universetoday-rus.com/blog/2013-10-28-1531

              Or it’s right, but then it’s not about our system.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 13 November 2018 20: 29
                0
                Quote: Voyager
                Well, they spell it wrong

                I do not know. you probably know better if you have anything to do with it
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 13 November 2018 21: 45
              +4
              Quote: LSA57
              at least they call it that.

              Deep space is a combination of interstellar space and interplanetary space from all other solar systems, with the exception of ours.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 13 November 2018 23: 36
                +5
                Deep space begins where the "zhrachka" ends.
                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII 13 November 2018 23: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Deep space begins where the "zhrachka" ends.

                  No, this option will not work, you need to look for another option .... lol
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 13 November 2018 21: 09
            +4
            Quote: Voyager
            I would not say that this is deep space. So, zamkadye. Deep space is much further beyond our system.

            The probe flew to Pluto 9,5 years, and here you have the castle.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 13 November 2018 22: 45
              +10
              Voyager 1 flies more than 40 years and only now he left the heliosphere) But this is nothing in comparison even with our galaxy.
              1. Tsoy
                Tsoy 14 November 2018 03: 59
                0
                Quote: Voyager

                Voyager 1 flies more than 40 years and only now he left the heliosphere) But this is nothing in comparison even with our galaxy.



          3. Waldemar
            Waldemar 13 November 2018 21: 17
            0
            Deep space is all beyond the orbit around the earth
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 13 November 2018 21: 40
              +8
              This is interplanetary space. Deep space is beyond our system.
          4. Ber
            Ber 16 November 2018 08: 24
            +1
            I would not say that this is deep space. So, zamkadye. Deep space is much further beyond our system.


            Andrei is still a breakthrough, now we can access not only the Moon, but also the most important thing in the solar system, This is the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

            Mastering Mars itself is not stupid, but according to Zadornov it’s just right for mattresses))) laughing

            More specifically, and briefly:

            The industry of the future is just plants in zero gravity, first it’s a lunar orbit, then the asteroid belt.

            Since without special expenses we get the entire periodic table (iron-rare-earth metals and minerals) , including water and frozen gases.

            And the waste in the form of stone slag will be used to create foam-slag concrete, from which the stations will be created, since the stations of titanium and iron are an overwhelming luxury.
            And in weightlessness, weight and volume do not matter what, but just the opposite,
            bagel from waste in the form of foam-cinder concrete of large mass in the form of a Thor.



            This will allow him to create acceptable gravity in living quarters, otherwise calcium will quickly be washed out of human bones, which is an additional obstacle along with cosmic radiation, and the natural thickness is an obstacle from meteorites and an obstacle from radiation, plus anti-meteorite protection systems.

            Thus, in the future we will process all the asteroids of this belt, because, otherwise the growth of civilization cannot be obtained, and only then the dream of science fiction deep space, since each technology has its own time interval.
            Most likely, the jump will occur after the transition from Riemannian geometry to Finsler geometry, after which physics will transfer to a new quality, something like this, specialists explain to us ignoramuses.
            That's what these engines are for.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 14 November 2018 20: 26
          0
          Quote: LSA57
          Quote: Bearded
          Very useful for the Lunar and Martian programs.

          they said that it is intended for outer space

          For the lunar program, it is useless
      2. Troll
        Troll 13 November 2018 19: 26
        +3
        >>> The nuclear engine will have a large supply of fuel.

        Smaller but more energy intensive.
      3. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 28
        +4
        Quote: Bearded
        A nuclear engine will have a large fuel supply.
        Very useful for the Lunar and Martian programs.


        Strictly speaking, the fuel for such a missile is still necessary ...
        More precisely, not fuel, but a working fluid for the ion engine.
        This is either xenon or iodine.
        Another thing is that it is spent much slower and longer than the engine thrust, it can actually work for years over the ion engine ..
        Only 420 kg of xenon, the space append spent in flight to Jupiter, as far as I remember Old ... And he flew there for more than one month (or maybe I'm mistaken in infe, it was a long time ago)
      4. Simargl
        Simargl 13 November 2018 20: 15
        +2
        Quote: Bearded
        A nuclear engine will have a large fuel supply.
        Very useful for the Lunar and Martian programs.
        Not a fuel reserve, but a specific impulse.
        For Lunar, he is not much needed - there, and so not far and not for long.
      5. dvina71
        dvina71 13 November 2018 22: 57
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        A nuclear engine will have a large fuel supply.

        YES .. fuel supply .. and the supply of working fluid?
    2. Tusk-M
      Tusk-M 13 November 2018 18: 53
      +8
      Quote: Sands Career General
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      To do this, money is needed and a lot .. Maybe for the sake of this, Russia has increased record oil supplies, etc.
      Russia will be saved only by a breakthrough in space technologies, etc. We have certain ideas!
      The main thing is not to be intercepted again .. We are able to develop it, but with the implementation, it’s always trouble.
      The USSR is the first space power in the world, it’s time to do another jerk! Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers are waiting for us .. I hope we will not disgrace them and will justify their hopes! hi
      1. Letun
        Letun 13 November 2018 21: 51
        +17
        Quote: Tusk-M
        Maybe for the sake of this, Russia has increased record oil supplies, etc.

        For some reason, it seems to me that this is not for the sake of it. Those who receive oil revenues do not care about Russia in general, and the space program in particular.
        1. cost
          cost 13 November 2018 23: 08
          +3
          Letun: Maybe for the sake of this, Russia also increased its record oil supply, etc.

      2. Waldemar
        Waldemar 13 November 2018 22: 18
        -2
        Not just space ones. There are plans to convert money into energy. That is, energy units are currency.
      3. loginovich
        loginovich 13 November 2018 23: 09
        +2
        Quote: Tusk-M

        Tusk-M Today, 18:53
        +6
        Quote: Sands Career General
        That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

        To do this, money is needed and a lot .. Maybe for the sake of this, Russia has increased record oil supplies, etc.

        You are so big, but Five-story apartments believe in fairy tales - the goal is to increase oil sales.
    3. SSR
      SSR 13 November 2018 18: 53
      +11
      Quote: Sands Career General
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      The main thing is that the video would become the same as "Crimean Bridge" filmed in the MosFilm pavilion. )))
      PS.
      It seems to me that its application will be perfected for a long time, new "voyagers" will send this one and a person to the planets brrr ....
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 13 November 2018 19: 07
        +3
        Quote: SSR
        this is one person to the brrr planets ....

        Yes, while he is not needed there. it seems like robots are doing pretty well.
        our "Lunokhod" learned how much new things about the Moon.
        yes and cheaper
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 13 November 2018 22: 48
        +3
        Quote: SSR
        and man to the planets brrr ....

        Truly so. yes For the planet for fear. laughing Well, if the dear old woman Earth is shattered "at once", then they will not stand on ceremony with some "distant worlds". So it's too early to send zaslanets there, while it makes sense to limit ourselves to observations and unmanned projects. Otherwise, there will immediately be those who want to export democracy to the universe and import hydrocarbons. laughing
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 58
          +2
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Well, if the dear old woman Earth is shattered "at once",

          one of the scientists compared a person with a virus. where a person appears, he destroys everything near
        2. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 15 November 2018 13: 22
          0
          Quote: Paranoid50
          Quote: SSR
          and man to the planets brrr ....

          Truly so. yes For the planet for fear. laughing Well, if the dear old woman Earth is shattered "at once", then they will not stand on ceremony with some "distant worlds". So it's too early to send zaslanets there, while it makes sense to limit ourselves to observations and unmanned projects. Otherwise, there will immediately be those who want to export democracy to the universe and import hydrocarbons. laughing


          Better in space and on other planets to pollute than on Earth.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 13 November 2018 19: 04
      +3
      Quote: Sands Career General
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      Well, if Poseidon, KR Petrel and Peresvet appeared, then I think I don’t think I will wait for an engine with a nuclear reactor for space. Although it’s clear, there are pitfalls here.
      1. bald
        bald 13 November 2018 19: 59
        +11
        Andrey, there are a lot of stones, but they can be solved. This is a certain stage in the development of mankind - I am not afraid to say - it is such primitiveness for more advanced civilizations. I was not alone, with a partner, fishing at night - I will omit the details - a plate with a diameter of 15-20 meters at a height of 20-25 meters hung over us. It not only hung motionless, but made smooth jerks in all directions up to a meter. Only then after it flew away and after the shock we began to share our impressions - the partner is the best traffic controller in flight and Chelyabinsk (we worked with him on the military team in one brigade). And the conclusion was made like this - they use an engine based on the gravity of the earth and control it - from which these displacements occurred. There is information from one thing - these engines are simple and they are surprised that we still use these (for them) to stone engines. I think we have institutions that work with gravity - they try to control it. You can believe it, no. People who (in the majority) have not met with such - clearly do not believe. Well, with this - the launch of the reactor should take place outside our atmosphere, if there is an accident - there will be a luminous rain and a stop when returning - also outside our atmosphere. But for the military - missiles - it’s easier there, one hell to all the furry animal.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 13 November 2018 21: 02
          +5
          Quote: bald
          above us hung a plate with a diameter of 15-20 meters at a height of 20-25 meters.

          Are you seriously? You are the first person to see an alien plate so close .. unless of course this is not fiction .. but how long have you been able to watch it and can it be filmed on camera?
          Quote: bald
          There is information from one thing - these engines are simple and they are surprised that we still use these (for them)

          That is, this witness also communicates with aliens?
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 13 November 2018 21: 58
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            Are you seriously? You are the first person to see an alien plate so close ..

            in 88 people walked from the shift. man 25. time was the beginning of the first night. a plate hovered over them. have seen everything.
            but about flying saucers in Baikonur
            http://ufosecret.ru/page_45.html
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 09
              +2
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: Svarog
              Are you seriously? You are the first person to see an alien plate so close ..

              in 88 people walked from the shift. man 25. time was the beginning of the first night. a plate hovered over them. have seen everything.
              but about flying saucers in Baikonur
              http://ufosecret.ru/page_45.html

              So here it is, Petrovich (s) So we are not alone in the universe ... I am opening up new facets. There is no universe. The verge of your knowledge. Have you personally been among those 25 or heard from someone who knows the one who saw him ... well, in general, first-hand info?
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 16
                +1

                you don't deserve more
                1. Harry.km
                  Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 20
                  +1
                  Video not available
                  This video contains content owned by Mosfilm. He forbade watching the video on this resource.
                  View on YouTube.

                  Dear LSA57, there are no words, so do not steal strangers.))
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    View on YouTube.

                    a bird beating on a tree, click on this phrase and you will see what I told you
                    1. Harry.km
                      Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: LSA57
                      Quote: Harry.km
                      View on YouTube.

                      a bird beating on a tree, click on this phrase and you will see what I told you

                      Dear LSA57, well, you are just mega-Petrosian. I only laughed when you showed me a video in the President of the Russian Federation and even tried to take his words out of context))))
                      By the way, the decoding of the president’s words from his spokesman.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 13 November 2018 22: 36
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              in 88 people walked from the shift. man 25. time was the beginning of the first night. a plate hovered over them. have seen everything.

              I myself saw more than once a UFO, but not 25 meters from myself, the distance was very large .. That's why I asked ..
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 45
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                That's why I asked ..

                I also saw once.
                hung as much as two. hung for a long time. a friend walked by. he served in an air center. I proudly showed him a UFO.
                he afflicted me. it turns out they were weather balloons.
                I got very upset laughing
                then the truth I saw one more time, something like that on a UFO, but not at all sure. firstly, it flew too fast, and secondly, I really didn’t see anything. I dismissed the plane immediately. there was no sound
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 13 November 2018 22: 52
                  +4
                  Quote: LSA57
                  he afflicted me. it turns out they were weather balloons.

                  Yes, I saw a lot of different things, some can really be confused with natural phenomena or with glare, but a lot with anything .. But at night, when something moves in zigzags at an incredible speed, it disappears then appears in a split second, covering distances of tens of kilometers .. here I have no explanation, and hardly anyone can find ..
            3. bald
              bald 13 November 2018 22: 40
              +3
              Sergei, I'm not lying, absolutely sober was not an isolated case when I met them, but those others were, and this one half a year later, I saw again - the same one. But there is generally a joke - for this you generally need to write a separate topic. This is all real, I even know who was sitting in it - the guise, and I learned this from the book - "mysteries of the twentieth century" there are eyewitness records, drawn shapes of plates - I found my own and who saw it happened to see who was inside - thank God that we did not happen. The pants would definitely have to be changed.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 13 November 2018 23: 02
                +2
                Quote: bald
                Sergey, I’m not lying

                Yes, I believe you. I just talked about my case. I already wrote, with us people went from the shift and saw everything. the next day, both in the shop and the factory, everyone was just talking about it
                1. bald
                  bald 14 November 2018 00: 10
                  0
                  In general, this conversation started with a new nuclear engine, on the topic, and gradually switched to a newer engine (roughly of course, the distant future), not a chemical, not a nuclear gravitap, but a gravitational one that is, gravity control, which is what UFOs use. That’s it.
                  1. bald
                    bald 14 November 2018 00: 26
                    0
                    Sorry - I realized - the topic from the new engine went to a newer future.
              2. Shopping Mall
                Shopping Mall 15 November 2018 13: 28
                +1
                What kind of bad luck am I (
                Who sees the flying saucers, the little ones, the angels.
                And wherever I have ever been, no miracles, one routine ...
          2. Harry.km
            Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            That is, this witness also communicates with aliens?

            I'm afraid to frighten, but it would not turn out that this eyewitness among us is simply well encrypted. And maybe not just one))
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 28
              0
              n6a, until now I have not learned to use the Internet laughing
              what can you talk about then ...
              just this
              1. Harry.km
                Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 31
                0
                Quote: LSA57
                n6a, until now I have not learned to use the Internet laughing
                what can you talk about then ...
                just this

                Video not available
                This video contains content owned by Mosfilm. He forbade watching the video on this resource.
                View on YouTube.
                Dear LSA57, the feeling that you are to all your advantages, you are also a spammer))
          3. Runoway
            Runoway 13 November 2018 22: 12
            +2

            In Kasimovsky district of Ryazan region, very many saw a luminous ball; he is a frequent visitor there in the night sky. I personally observed it once, it looked like the full moon crossed the sky from west to east, not a sound or tail (exhaust), the sky was cloudless, it illuminated like xenon all around, the speed was similar to that of IL-76 at low altitude. Those who saw it closer with a hang say about a diameter of ~ 25 and that sparks are streaming from it like from welding
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 36
              0
              In 78, at Baikonur, I served there then, I don’t remember what month we were lined up and the special officers asked who always saw something unusual in the sky. nobody saw. Well, they dismissed us. we are to the officers that we could see. they were silent. after 2-3 weeks, someone said that they saw a UFO above the launch pad.
              already in the times of perestroika, somewhere I read about this case.
          4. bald
            bald 13 November 2018 22: 27
            +2
            Vladimir, millions of people who have encountered this, some are closer, some are farther. And how do you like that. in 1986, I was in Moscow, more precisely in US - this is the central testing ground for machines, with it the town where the workers at the training ground lived. The uncle there was my test deputy. He is being summoned to Moscow for a meeting, and he took me with him. Of course, they didn’t let me go there - I just walked around Moscow for two hours. At the meeting there are only ministers and competent people, and the uncle is from science (Doctor of Science). After it comes out, I look in shock, I went back and told one of the issues discussed there. An astronaut spoke from the rostrum - who did not say. In a star town, he was abducted by aliens, supposedly being taken somewhere, some city, but the planet is not ours, he was explored and brought back, he really doesn’t remember anything. Uncle told me, as they say in secret - the topic was closed then. You don’t believe it, but it’s easy to check, firstly, all the cosmonauts of that time — and they are aware of this alive, I can name all the names of the training ground, including the director and my uncle — he told them that it was not a state secret. And there are thousands of such cases, even on TV, Tereshkova talked about her not so long ago. At the expense of communication - they read my thoughts - and they transmitted to me a morse code, not with sound but with flashes along the body. The dialogue was short because it fell into a stupor (shock) give light DE - (this is the radio code - I) and then a set of letters. I whisper to my partner - they say who they are. And they began to quickly put points - this means - wait, wait, wait. Then it dawned on me that they were reading me and I fell into a stupor again, and until they slowly left, I could not get out of the stupor.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 13 November 2018 22: 42
              +3
              Quote: bald

              Vladimir, millions of people who have encountered this, some are closer, some are farther. And how do you like that. in 1986 I was in Moscow, t

              Vladimir, I just believe in the existence of UFOs and I myself have repeatedly observed, but not from 25 meters, the distance was very large, most often I saw a luminous ball, and I saw it during the day .. At night, I also saw an object during fishing that strangely moved not in a straight line and in zigzags .. in general, I saw a lot, but you saw at a distance of 25 meters, you asked, you wanted to ask how it looks .. by the way, once you even shot it on the camera, the camera was with a recording disc and when I started to show my friends the record, it for some reason it didn’t play back .. it's not mysticism of course, but fact)) This record is very pathetic, because everything that I see in YouTube does not look clear and is usually very far away, but what I wrote down was 2-3 kilometers away and quality material should have turned out ...
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 13 November 2018 23: 12
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                At night
                yes
                I also saw something strange, but it is completely different, not described anywhere. I walked through the park one night, I had a slightly date, and separated as friends for 5 minutes. I’m going to myself, I’m starting to notice a shadow flashed by the lanterns, then from the other side. I began to look around, I thought what kind of glitches and only turned 100 meters there was a lantern, a shadow flickered, the size of a man, I ran out of the park very quickly. Honestly to this day, the feeling of fear that has settled has constantly resembled this picture. The shadow moved quickly, as if a person was running through, but there was no physical body. Tin jerked my nerves then, and most importantly there was nobody around. There was some kind of distortion of light, but the shape resembled a man ..... am
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 13 November 2018 23: 12
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                the camera was with a recording disc, and when I began to show my friends the recording, for some reason it did not play .. this is not mysticism of course, but a fact))

                I read and heard about such cases many times.
                and a familiar operator said that his camera failed. UFO flew away, the camera earned as if nothing had happened
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 13 November 2018 22: 55
              +3
              Quote: bald
              An astronaut spoke from the rostrum - who did not say. In a star town, he was abducted by aliens, supposedly being taken somewhere, some city, but the planet is not ours, he was explored and brought back, he really doesn’t remember anything.

              I don’t remember which of the astronauts was telling.
              he slept. suddenly woke up. sees, the hatch opens and the alien swims in. flies up to him and begins to hit in the face. he suffers. he hits again. he could not stand it and will give kaaaak in response. hit and woke up. it turned out that the book he was reading before going to bed hovered near his face and the pages hit him in the face from the fan’s air laughing
              Here is a story smile
          5. AUL
            AUL 13 November 2018 23: 52
            +5
            Quote: Svarog
            That is, this witness also communicates with aliens?

            On Thursday morning, a UFO was kidnapped by plumber Petrov. By the middle of the day, the alien still had to give Petrov to steer ...
        2. Curious
          Curious 13 November 2018 22: 12
          0
          Well, fishing, and even at night, it happens. It depends on what and how much they took with them. And then the white Pegasus could fly in, it happened.
          1. PalBor
            PalBor 13 November 2018 22: 45
            0
            Yes, oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers ...
        3. EXPrompt
          EXPrompt 14 November 2018 12: 09
          0
          Quote: bald
          . And the conclusion was made like this - they use an engine based on the gravity of the earth and control it - from which these displacements occurred. There is information from one thing - these engines are simple and they are surprised that we still use these (for them) to stone engines. I think we have institutions that work with gravity - they try to control it. You can believe it, no. .


          You are really raving.
          Only recently, in the past, they proved that gravitational waves exist in nature.
          By building a sensor and fixing a cosmic phenomenon such as the merger of 2 black holes.
          And you are already talking about grav dvigatel.
          Do you want to tell us about the usefulness of Priamide for sharpening blades?
          We are real in the Stone Age for such technologies. This is a fact.
          1. bald
            bald 14 November 2018 12: 51
            +1
            I say what I saw and I am not alone. It was visible by the behavior and sound of the object. No sound whatsoever - perfect silence. And moving in all directions per meter, when hovering, reminds you if you take two cylindrical magnets and try to connect them with the same poles. I can’t talk about this more here - I was warned - if you want, write in a personal message.
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 13 November 2018 19: 08
      +5
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      This device will take off on an ordinary chemical rocket.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 13 November 2018 19: 10
        +2
        As an intermediate option, I think it will do.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 13 November 2018 19: 14
          0
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          As an intermediate option, I think it will do.

          Well, only if temporarily.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 November 2018 21: 12
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

        This device will take off on an ordinary chemical rocket.

        So in all fiction (scientific) take off on conventional engines.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 19: 08
      0
      The working fluid in this engine will be the same hydrogen, and the oxygen oxidizing agent, which, when passing through the reactor core, will heat up and exit the nozzle, creating 3 times more thrust than conventional LRE, using the same fuel.
      1. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 34
        +7
        Quote: Vadim237
        The working fluid in this engine will be the same hydrogen, and the oxygen oxidizing agent, which, when passing through the reactor core, will heat up and exit the nozzle, creating 3 times more thrust than conventional LRE, using the same fuel.


        You do not understand what they are building.
        Drip-cooled nuclear reactor. ++ megawatt class ion engine.
        The working fluid for the engine is xenon or iodine. (And Nika is not oxygen + hydrogen)
        He must work 5-7 years continuously guaranteed.
        And then we’ll get a nuclear tractor, say, to fly to Jupiter .. and a quick flight in a few months. And not like now for years.
        1. NG inform
          NG inform 13 November 2018 19: 45
          +1
          In this setup, there is no particular magic, the cumulative dV for the life cycle in her, although large, but far from fantastic, emnip about 100kms. But if it flies, then it will be possible to make more powerful systems - I hellishly want it to take off.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 13 November 2018 21: 14
          0
          Quote: EXPrompt
          And then we’ll get a nuclear tractor, say, to fly to Jupiter .. and a quick flight in a few months. And not like now for years.

          And what will accelerate it, in comparison with the usual? That the momentum will be constant?
      2. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 50
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        The working fluid in this engine will be the same hydrogen, and the oxygen oxidizing agent, which, when passing through the reactor core, will heat up and exit the nozzle, creating 3 times more thrust than conventional LRE, using the same fuel.


        Dear, this is nonsense.
        Create an explosive mixture and feed it into the reactor. This is the first step into eternity, and what is important is an instant step.
        How do you imagine that?


        Google about the gas flow rate in the LRE.
        So you screwed the reactor to the nozzle, your gas became radioactive ...
        What is this? -the rate of gas outflow is the same ... where does the bold statement come from, what’s at that, 3 times higher efficiency?
        Brad.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 November 2018 20: 30
          0
          No nonsense - it is true, this kind of gas-phase nuclear jet engine (GNRD) was developed in the USSR - a conceptual type of jet engine in which reactive force is created due to the release of a coolant (working fluid) from a nuclear reactor, the fuel in which is in gaseous form or It is believed that in such engines the specific impulse will be 30000-50000 m / s. Heat transfer from the fuel to the coolant is achieved mainly due to radiation, mostly in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum (at fuel temperatures of about 25 ° C ". In solid-phase NRM (TfNRD), fissile matter, as in conventional nuclear reactors, is placed in assemblies-rods (fuel rods) of complex shape with a developed surface, which makes it possible to efficiently heat a gaseous working fluid (usually hydrogen, less often ammonia), which is also a coolant cooling the structural elements and the assemblies themselves.The heating temperature is limited by the melting temperature of the structural elements (notmore than 000 K). The specific impulse of solid-phase NRE, according to modern estimates, will be 3000-8000 m / s, which is more than twice the performance of the most advanced chemical rocket engines. Ground-based demonstrators of TfNRD technologies in the 9000th century were created and successfully tested at stands (the NERVA program in the USA, RD-0410 in the USSR).
          1. EXPrompt
            EXPrompt 13 November 2018 20: 46
            +2
            The Americans also created something similar in the 60s for flying in the atmosphere.
            Throwing the working fluid into the reactor - received a radioactive exhaust .. And this project was covered ..
            8-9km / s surprised me.
            You google for a moment the power of the outflow of plasma in the ion engine, at this moment, there the numbers are an order of magnitude higher.


            You did not catch the main thing.
            Your engine type fuel rods are cooled by hydrogen or oxygen. The idea is already shamelessly outdated.
            This is not a type of engine for outer space. He is very voracious; you constantly need to cool.

            You have a nuclear iron, it’s warming up, it needs to be cooled .. you throw in fuel, it flies out through the nozzle. You don’t have any tank to reach Mars, hang there in orbit for a month, say, and come back ... And what will you do with a hot iron in orbit of Mars, how to cool it?
            Then explain to me what for drip cooling system of the reactor on your shaitan arba needed? You oxygen + hydrogen are already cooling the reactor.


            The concept of the nuclear tractor declared by Roscosmos is different in principle.
            A megawatt-class drop-cooled nuclear reactor is not needed to create traction; strictly speaking, it is needed to generate energy.
            But energy is already consumed by ion engines.
            they have advantages
            1 very economical, little working fluid is spent on flying.
            2 they can create traction for years at all stages of flight.
            3 Due to this - the speed of flight to Mars, Jupiter will be different, not like a chemical rocket. A month or maybe less ...
            Ion engines will improve lattice resource and traction in 2 directions.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 November 2018 21: 22
              0
              Have you heard of the reactor plug?
              1. EXPrompt
                EXPrompt 14 November 2018 11: 54
                0
                there will be nothing to drown and no one))
                You don't have enough fuel stupidly to cool the reactor for several weeks, pumping huge quantities of hydrogen through it. There, to cool per second, tons of fuel should be discussed.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 14 November 2018 13: 07
                  0
                  Actually, from one, up to two weeks, the more thrust the faster it will fly, 20000 tons of fuel and 2000 coolers will be enough to fly to Mars, stay there for two weeks and return back, when approaching the earth, a manned spacecraft will be undocked 600000 kilometers - air-space single-stage aircraft, from the propulsion system, the propulsion system itself will go to the orbital storage and maintenance station of the YAZhRD, so that reusable tankers would launch them from the earth there with hydrogen and oxygen - until the production of rocket fuel is established on Mars and on Jupiter’s satellites, Saturn is the last, optimistic, 2140 - 50th years.
                  1. EXPrompt
                    EXPrompt 14 November 2018 18: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Actually, from one, up to two weeks, the more thrust the faster it will fly, 20000 tons of fuel and 2000 coolers will be enough to fly to Mars, stay there for two weeks and return back, when approaching the earth, a manned spacecraft will be undocked 600000 kilometers - air-space single-stage aircraft, from the propulsion system, the propulsion system itself will go to the orbital storage and maintenance station of the YAZhRD, so that reusable tankers would launch them from the earth there with hydrogen and oxygen - until the production of rocket fuel is established on Mars and on Jupiter’s satellites, Saturn is the last, optimistic, 2140 - 50th years.


                    You have very globalistic habits ....
                    Did you understand what you said?
                    You have a ship with only fuel + a cooler of 22.000 tons. I don’t speak for the mass of the reactor itself, the crew of oxygen for breathing, food, rooming equipment, etc.

                    The hardest, not yet ready Americanosovskoy reect
                    SLS orbits the mass of 95-130 tons. 1n launch, worth a polar.
                    now take your 22000 tons, divide by 130, and then multiply by 0,5 == we get the price of such a ship in yards of dollars.
                    In the USSR, the heaviest rocket sold is Energy, with a maximum of 200 tons per orbit.
                    Divide your masses by 200 ...

                    And then after these manipulations with the calculator, go quietly to the psychiatrist, and say that you are their client.


                    PS I’m no longer interested in talking with you, you are trying to solve the problem of long-distance space travel with the technologies of the 60s. It's stupid, it's just like Musk is trying to solve this problem with his Martian program ..
                    The draft of the Roscosmos weighting with a nuclear tractor is estimated at much lower numbers.
                    As far as I heard 200-250 tons, the net weight of the tractor is already with a working fluid and a cooler for flight, say, to Mars. Such weights fit into a reasonable 1-2-3 launch of a superheavy rocket.
            2. Mimoprohodil
              Mimoprohodil 14 November 2018 11: 04
              0
              NERVE
              Gross weight: 178321 kg
              Operating time: 1200 with
              With such characteristics, you will surely conquer the whole cosmos.
              1. EXPrompt
                EXPrompt 14 November 2018 12: 02
                0
                Quote: Mimoprohodil
                NERVE
                Gross weight: 178321 kg
                Operating time: 1200 with
                With such characteristics, you will surely conquer the whole cosmos.


                Now the conversation is not a boy but a husband.
                It is in this salt. Engines such as you bring in, consume tons of fuel per second, create tremendous traction, and for deep space you need an economical valve, one that can work for not 10-15 minutes, and one that creates traction, say a month, read I need an ion engine with a nuclear reactor ..
    7. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 14
      +5
      Quote: Sands Career General
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.



      In fact, the fact that the draft of a nuclear tractor in the Russian Federation is very rushing, the news was earlier. True, they were scattered.
      Unlike the Americans who closed with the obama, the JIMO project is its analogue of the tractor. Well, they could not come up with a cooling system for the reactor.

      A month ago, the news flashed about testing a drip cooling system.
      The year before, Konyakhin talked about this idea.
      So there was infa.
      The question now is different, what has been done with the ion engine in the Russian Federation at this moment, and whether they were able to bring it up, its resource should have been brought up to 5-6 years of use, and the power has been greatly increased. They are silent about this, but it’s not good. Well, or an ace in the sleeve is hidden until the next March 1, and Putin’s next speech from demonstrations of Russian super technologies)))




      By the way, against the background of this news, I suggest everyone to neigh again once again over Comrade Mask who was about to colonize Mars .... ATTENTION - on a chemical rocket.
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      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 November 2018 19: 24
        +2
        The heavy attack drone has already made the "Hunter U" soon the first taxiing and flight.
      2. Korax71
        Korax71 13 November 2018 19: 28
        0
        Liberalism (from the Latin. Liberalis - free) - the philosophical and socio-political current, proclaiming the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.
        Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of every person as the highest value and establishes them as the legal basis for social and economic order. Liberalism in general is the desire for the freedom of the human spirit from the constraints imposed by religion, tradition, the state, etc., and for social reforms aimed at the freedom of the individual and society. Moreover, the ability of the state and the church to influence the life of society is limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are the freedom to speak out publicly, the freedom to choose a religion, the freedom to choose representatives in fair and free elections. In economic terms, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and business. In the legal respect, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, position and influence. It seems to me that we and those at the top do not. And if you think carefully about the definition, it’s generally a compliment laughing
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 13 November 2018 22: 49
          +1
          Quote: Korax71
          Liberalism (from the Latin. Liberalis - free) - the philosophical and socio-political current, proclaiming the inviolability of human rights and individual freedoms.

          Quote: Korax71
          .a if you carefully think about the definition, it’s generally a compliment laughing

          You are more careful with such a formulation of the question, otherwise your statement can cause cognitive dissonance among forum users, even with large stars on cardboard epaulets. Indeed, for many, liberalism has transformed into liberalism and these words have equalized in meaning and have become practically censorously abusive)) I’ll tell you more, I met here marshals who, with a blue eye, give videos with the president’s statements, where he says that he was liberating. And they say that the president is so ... mildly joking.
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 14 November 2018 14: 46
            0
            Or maybe it’s for the better. good you look and find out for yourself something new laughing
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 14 November 2018 17: 49
              0
              Unfortunately, this will no longer change their perception of the world. Grossly exaggerating, the TV wins the refrigerator so far. And our TV, in my opinion, has already surpassed CNN and all the "voices" combined, in terms of presenting news and analyzing events) There is no point in even talking about the cultural component, it's enough just to watch the TV program for the next weekend, the most popular channels.
    9. credo
      credo 13 November 2018 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: Sands Career General
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      Yes, maybe you’re right, it’s just not clear how quickly this is possible.
      Personally, I was of the opinion that the presentation was made (or perhaps initiated by D. Rogozin personally) in order to sweeten the last unsuccessful start of the Soyuz and other unpleasant events, as well as criticism of the space industry.
      Calculation of the presentation for additional funding is also not excluded.
      And so, of course, good news, only the question has long haunted - "When?"
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 13 November 2018 19: 30
        +2
        If we talk about the Union, then the extreme starts with Kuru and Plesetsk were successful.
        And the Union MS-10 showed that there is nothing more reliable than our launch vehicles.
    10. snake
      snake 14 November 2018 09: 42
      0
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      That's right, it's time to end with an era of chemical engines.

      It's time to finish showing us "videos" and "projects". I would like to see something similar "in metal" already.
    11. shark
      shark 14 November 2018 12: 34
      0
      It's time, time. Just how does this compare with reality. Well, at least they showed a cartoon. Missiles with chemical engines, created a huge country with huge resources of all kinds. And now who will build? Managers, lawyers and menchandisers? Do not make me laugh. Russia is sliding to the level of banana countries. We do not raise such a project.
    12. astepanov
      astepanov 15 November 2018 09: 01
      0
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      it's time to end with the era of chemical engines.

      Bullshit. The launch of this spacecraft will in any case be carried out on chemical engines, probably in parts and with subsequent assembly in space.
    13. yurickk
      yurickk 17 November 2018 09: 18
      0
      It seems to be impossible to start from the Earth on a nuclear engine (ecology and small traction). It is for space use only.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 13 November 2018 18: 38
    +6
    Until the end of this year .. if it is ready, then the news is certainly wonderful. I really hope that this is not another picture.
    1. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 13 November 2018 19: 43
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      I really hope that this is not another picture.
      "Nourishing the hopes of young men." As soon as Dmitry Rogozin came to Roscosmos, the PR of Roscosmos grew significantly. We work as we can. What we can do, we do.
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 13 November 2018 18: 41
    +9
    I read all this back in Soviet times in the "Technology of Youth" ". Only then there were no videos.
    1. Neutron Retarded
      Neutron Retarded 13 November 2018 18: 53
      +6
      And in the "Technology of Youth" did not write then that the USSR put into orbit and into deep space more than a dozen spacecraft with a nuclear installation on board. So all this is new - well forgotten old. There were even embarrassments with an unplanned deorbiting and radioactive contamination of an area somewhere in Canada. The United States was also involved in this area, so ours easily kicked off claims to "partners".
      1. credo
        credo 13 November 2018 19: 24
        +2
        Quote: Lagging Neutron
        And in the "Technology of Youth" did not write then that the USSR put into orbit and into deep space more than a dozen spacecraft with a nuclear installation on board. So all this is new - well forgotten old. There were even embarrassments with an unplanned deorbiting and radioactive contamination of an area somewhere in Canada. The United States was also involved in this area, so ours easily kicked off claims to "partners".

        You are certainly right, but between what was in the USSR and what is being decided in Russia now, there is apparently a big difference. It's like comparing "Vostok" with "Soyuz" - the purpose is the same, but the level of performance, comfort and tasks performed is different.
      2. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 15 November 2018 13: 36
        0
        Quote: Lagging Neutron
        And in the "Technology of Youth" did not write then that the USSR put into orbit and into deep space more than a dozen spacecraft with a nuclear installation on board. So all this is new - well forgotten old. There were even embarrassments with an unplanned deorbiting and radioactive contamination of an area somewhere in Canada. The United States was also involved in this area, so ours easily kicked off claims to "partners".


        There was an ordinary RTG with scanty power.
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 13 November 2018 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: Sergey39
      I read all this back in Soviet times in the "Technology of Youth" ". Only then there were no videos.

      and Tsialkovsky also came up with a rocket for space flight a very long time ago
    3. Tusk-M
      Tusk-M 13 November 2018 19: 07
      +2
      Quote: Sergey39
      I read all this back in Soviet times in the "Technology of Youth" ". Only then there were no videos.

      There was an excellent magazine, it made me think and think creatively, dream .. Scientists, designers, engineers, many grew up in such magazines .. So far Russia has been holding onto them, on the Kulibins of our disinterested patriots of the Motherland! Thank you that not everyone sold out, even though your families were starving and complete hopelessness was the robbery of the Soviet state, all dishonesty.
      Eternal memory to YOU! We will restore everything ...
  4. LSA57
    LSA57 13 November 2018 18: 47
    +6
    well, now it will begin. "ehspirtov on all issues" will run up and it will start ... "cutting" ... "another cartoon" ... "this cannot be, because it cannot be"
    count cons laughing
    only your every minus, I think is the plus of my opinion.
    Do not try to be smart about the pros. all this is predictable and uninteresting No.
    1. Sofa expert
      Sofa expert 13 November 2018 18: 56
      0
      Berserk plus
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 56
      -1
      Quote: LSA57
      and it will begin ... "cutting" ... "another cartoon" ... "this cannot be, because it cannot be"

      This is a cut, the cartoon will be, but the implementation is possible, but again not with us.
    3. Harry.km
      Harry.km 13 November 2018 23: 05
      0
      Quote: LSA57
      "another cartoon"

      Quote: LSA57
      and Tsialkovsky also came up with a rocket for space flight a very long time ago

      And here is the Tsiolkovsky rocket. And not at all a cartoon.
  5. engineer74
    engineer74 13 November 2018 18: 48
    +2
    good If only not in the Pacific Ocean!
    'knocking on wood, head'
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 13 November 2018 18: 49
    +2
    If all sorts of spotlights, draftsmen answered for their words, embezzlement, we would be calmer.
    It is necessary to praise the result of labor, the concrete performance of a business or a manufactured and tested product! And so, it’s boring to watch funny pictures.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 13 November 2018 19: 00
      +12
      Don’t worry, Rosatom is working quite successfully. The main thing is that the cooling problem has been solved, and the pilot plant is fully alive hi
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 13 November 2018 19: 11
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      It is necessary to praise the result of labor, the concrete performance of a business or a manufactured and tested product! And so, it’s boring to watch funny pictures.

      - The end of 2016. Ours announce a new engine based on old physical principles, working in a new way.
      - Beginning of 2018 Putin talks about CD with YSU and shows "cartoons" all over the world.
      - End of 2018. They are talking about a new spaceship.
      All this is here on this site. Long-playing "cartoon". Don’t you?
      1. ghby
        ghby 13 November 2018 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: Tusv
        Long-playing "cartoon". Don’t you?

        Before writing and linking the incoherent, at least a little take an interest in this engine. He has nothing to do with kr. And the development has been going on for a long time and with funding all the norms and the schedule did not shift much.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 13 November 2018 19: 25
          +1
          Quote: ghby
          Before writing and linking the incoherent, at least a little take an interest in this engine.

          I related events, not physical principles. How it works? The Yankees will pay a few lards to find out. Hurry to reveal secrets hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 November 2018 20: 37
            +6
            A patriot is not a hooray, not an all-propagandist, just an old soldier who has seen a lot and knows how to defend his homeland, not in cartoons.
            Yes, a couple more special formations, of the Soviet type, which make it possible to judge a lot realistically, and not spread your fingers.
            I respect our scientists, our people with great respect ... but I don’t digest this power, and most importantly boltologists of all stripes.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 13 November 2018 20: 40
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              A patriot is not a hooray, not an all-propagandist, just an old soldier who has seen a lot and knows how to defend his homeland, not in cartoons.

              I am also an old soldier, but the Raspletins and the Rocketeers are from science. , we are supplied with air defense by the highest level and these are not cartoons
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 November 2018 20: 58
                0
                People who crave a real CASE deserve all respect!
                Unfortunately, all sorts of different talkers always revolve around them! The thing to do is to interfere and chat without measure.
                You can’t understand the real enemy with such chatter, only faith in people is undermined. And she, faith, we really need!
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 13 November 2018 21: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The thing to do is to interfere and chat without measure.

                  Someone is allowed to chat. Rogozin, for example. And the people who do? The ultimate proof is that the Yankees are not attacking Us. They don't believe in "cartoons" hi
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 14 November 2018 06: 46
                    0
                    soldier
                    .
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Yankees do not attack us.

                    So no one is attacking us, this is a merit of the rulers of the USSR! The merit of GDP and others like it is that it stopped the collapse of the country launched by previous figures.
                    Chatterboxes just do not like, brought up differently ... links to such times, I do not care. Here we have what we have
  7. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 13 November 2018 18: 58
    +4
    I propose to call it "Chius" and send it on a test flight to Venus.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 13 November 2018 19: 04
      +1
      There is no longer the country that had "Khiuses" in the plans ... And on Venus the climate turned out to be a little different ... sad
      1. Siberian 66
        Siberian 66 13 November 2018 19: 05
        +6
        The dream remains!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 19: 17
      0
      No, it’s better to go to Mars, but here’s the problem - what to launch on?
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 13 November 2018 19: 21
        +4
        We’ll drive the red Tesla Mask into the parking lot! fellow
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2018 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: Siberian 66
      I propose to call it "Chius" and send it on a test flight to Venus.

      "Chius" was a combined spacecraft:
      “Khius” is a combined planetary plane: five conventional atomic-momentum rockets carry a parabolic mirror from an “absolute reflector”. Portions of hydrogen-tritium plasma are injected into the focus of the mirror with a certain frequency. The purpose of atomic missiles is twofold: firstly, they give Hius the opportunity to start and finish on Earth. The photon reactor was not suitable for this - it would infect the atmosphere, like a simultaneous explosion of dozens of hydrogen bombs. Secondly, rocket reactors feed powerful electromagnets, in the field of which plasma is decelerated and thermonuclear fusion occurs.

      And the second "Chius" flew to Venus. The first one burned out during the tests - "disintegrated into atomic dust together with a mass of alloyed titanium from which the body was made".
    4. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 14 November 2018 00: 24
      0
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      I propose to call it "Chius" and send it on a test flight to Venus.

      You have not read The Land of Crimson Clouds poorly. Just all attempts to fly to Venus on the NRM ended in failure.
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 November 2018 19: 07
    -1
    Just say something, but it is hard to believe. Out of nowhere, until the end of the year, a prototype of a nuclear engine ???? !!!! And when is the flight test?
    which do not need sunlight and solar panels.

    Duc for chemical engines, they are also not particularly needed. So you decide - it is about the engine or about the power plant?
    1. ghby
      ghby 13 November 2018 19: 22
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Just say something, but it is hard to believe. Out of nowhere, until the end of the year, a prototype of a nuclear engine ???? !!!! And when is the flight test?

      Since 2009, developed, according to open sources. If they do what they promised, there will be a breakthrough in deep space exploration. They say that you can fly to Mars in a month and a half, and fuel will remain on the return trip. Now it seems like somewhere to fly a year and a half.
    2. Neutron Retarded
      Neutron Retarded 13 November 2018 19: 23
      0
      Of course, we are talking about the energy source and power supply of the spacecraft on-board network, if the cooling system is mentioned instead of solar panels. So the good old Peltier and thermoelectric generation.
      In essence, nothing new. But on new materials and technologies.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 19: 31
      +1
      This engine seems to have been developed since 2010 - only it is unclear whether it is YaERDU or YAZhRD. The second is preferable, since it can develop tremendous thrust and theoretically with the required amount of fuel, it can achieve half the speed of light - 150000 kilometers per second during acceleration - in six months of continuous operation.
    4. K-612-O
      K-612-O 14 November 2018 07: 04
      +1
      Well, not from nowhere, but since 2009, and Rosatom has invested very seriously in this project. Do not worry that you thought it was necessary and showed and said. In all the details, everyone and everyone does not need to know this at all.
  9. 777-3-59-97
    777-3-59-97 13 November 2018 19: 07
    -1
    Cartoons from Roskosmos arrived. good
    1. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 21
      -2
      Quote: 777-3-59-97
      Cartoons from Roskosmos arrived. good


      Yeah, ahead of the May 1 speech in 2019, they are preparing for Putin.
  10. Awaz
    Awaz 13 November 2018 19: 30
    0
    oh li ... Believe the gentlemen from Roscosmos is not worth it. The same Rogozin and the Americans gathered on the moon with the Chinese and would still be sold to someone who has the opportunity to send something there ... Russia alone can already completely create nothing, while possessing a huge amount of space technology generally inaccessible to the same Americans. In words and in computer graphics, everything can be drawn, but there is no one to build it all, and in the best case, half of the allocated funds, and no more than one third, reach real production. But, even if they came up with something, then still no one will allow you to get around the Mask.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 13 November 2018 19: 30
    +3
    Maybe the lunar cosmodrome is not far off ... I remember that somewhere in the late 70s, early 80s in the Tekhnika-Molodezhi magazine there was an article on the use of a photon engine for spacecraft, the essence of the topic was that such an engine could to make and put on spacecrafts, but the problem of launching from the Earth, unfortunately I don't remember these problems anymore ... But the launch from the Moon is the most ... If everything goes well, for a start the ships with nuclear reactors will be put into orbit, then the Moon. ... And there is deep space ... and spacecrafts with nuclear, photon engines ... And instead of a heart, a fiery photon ..
    1. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 13 November 2018 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Maybe the lunar cosmodrome is not far off ... I remember that somewhere in the late 70s, early 80s in the Tekhnika-Molodezhi magazine there was an article on the use of a photon engine for spacecraft, the essence of the topic was that such an engine could to make and put on spacecrafts, but the problem of launching from the Earth, unfortunately I don't remember these problems anymore ... But the launch from the Moon is the most ... If everything goes well, for a start the ships with nuclear reactors will be put into orbit, then the Moon. ... And there is deep space ... and spacecrafts with nuclear, photon engines ... And instead of a heart, a fiery photon ..


      This news is precisely the declaration of the Russian Space Agency that they are building a nuclear ship with photon engines of the megawatt class. It is in this salt.

      And the fundamental problem of such a piece of iron is solved --- the cooling system. They also knew how to make space nuclear reactors under the USSR, but the cooling system was invented now and tested 1 month ago, and news flashed about testing a drip cooling system.
      On this project, 2 points are not clear ..
      1 whether the photon engine has been brought to Russia, its resource has been increased, power, etc. etc.
      2 what to do with the Van Allen belt and radiation .. if we are talking about a manned program in the future.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 13 November 2018 20: 09
        +1
        Yeah .... The problem is no longer in protecting the crew from cosmic radiation, but from their own dvigla will be ....
        And for safety reasons, it is better to start this wunderstuck from the lunar orbit for Earth’s safety ..
        Take care ....
        1. EXPrompt
          EXPrompt 13 November 2018 20: 31
          +3
          Quote: Ace Tambourine
          Yeah .... The problem is no longer in protecting the crew from cosmic radiation, but from their own dvigla will be ....
          And for safety reasons, it is better to start this wunderstuck from the lunar orbit for Earth’s safety ..
          Take care ....


          You do not understand the concept of the device.
          Nuclear reactor strictly speaking closed. There is no nuclear exhaust.
          There is no nonsense, like throwing a working fluid into a nuclear reactor for heating, that’s not the point.

          A nuclear reactor is not there for this ... Ionic engines on xenon or iodine create thrust. The megawany reactor, for this whole of this capillary cooling system was invented.
          And in this case we are talking about megawatt-class ion engines.
          They
          a- very economical little working fluid spent.
          b- can create traction for years if necessary
          c- this will allow you to fly much faster creating a constant thrust throughout the flight.
          That’s the point, this is a device for deep space, for the flight of Jupiter, Neptune, etc. etc.

          And this is a breakthrough in astronautics on this planet - without options. If we implement ..
          So, Russia has a real chance to become the first in a manned program potentially in deep space.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 November 2018 21: 08
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            On the ion engine, you will accelerate from 0 to 100 kilometers per hour for 48 hours, it is too slow and its thrust is scanty, only 250 -290 mN. YAJR has a thrust of 50MN and a speed of 500 kilometers per second - in 5 days of operation.
            1. EXPrompt
              EXPrompt 14 November 2018 12: 17
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              Quote: Vadim237
              On the ion engine, you will accelerate from 0 to 100 kilometers per hour for 48 hours, it is too slow and its thrust is scanty, only 250 -290 mN. YAJR has a thrust of 50MN and a speed of 500 kilometers per second - in 5 days of operation.



              Firstly, the ion engine in this ship is already operating with a slightly different reactor power.
              Earlier probes and satellites were launched all over the ton and with energy sources much weaker.
              Secondly, the charm of the ionic engine lies in the fact that it is economical, slowly spends a working fluid, and creates acceleration for months.
              Then who told you that he will be on the device as on a satellite alone ... there will probably be a bunch of them .. 10-12-16 pieces. how much reactor power is enough. And each engine will be month after month, every second to create traction.



              Here, the wrong picture was tamed to the news, it doesn’t look like Roskosmos in real life wants to build ...
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 November 2018 13: 14
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                The fact of the matter is that the long-term stay of a man in space is dangerous to health and psyche. And not some kind of ionic though you go there 10 A gigawatt source of energy shove, it will not create a hundredth thrust from that created by the YZHRD.
                1. EXPrompt
                  EXPrompt 14 November 2018 18: 28
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The fact of the matter is that the long-term stay of a man in space is dangerous to health and psyche. And not some kind of ionic though you go there 10 A gigawatt source of energy shove, it will not create a hundredth thrust from that created by the YZHRD.


                  Please note this picture is only a nuclear tractor, at the rear is a docking unit. dock to it whatever you want, a ship with machine guns which in orbit, say Jupiter, undocks and executes the program, etc., etc., or the ship with the crew if the problem of radiation protection, etc., etc. is solved.
                  The nuclear tractor itself is a means of delivering the capsule to Jupiter Mars and wherever it will be needed, nothing more.
                2. Shopping Mall
                  Shopping Mall 15 November 2018 13: 42
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  The fact of the matter is that the long-term stay of a man in space is dangerous to health and psyche. And not some kind of ionic though you go there 10 A gigawatt source of energy shove, it will not create a hundredth thrust from that created by the YZHRD.


                  Flight to the same Mars is already at least several months. It makes no sense to accelerate the QC in a day, if it can be done in a month. In long-haul flights, not the maximum thrust, but the overall efficiency of the system is more important. The single-circuit nuclear engine is too dirty, the dual-circuit efficiency will drop even lower.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 November 2018 19: 47
    +1
    The main problem of these nuclear reactors was cooling. The conversion of thermal energy into electrical energy, and even keep the circulating gas under tremendous pressure
  13. alexhol
    alexhol 13 November 2018 19: 57
    -1
    They know how, if they want .... cartoons to do.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 13 November 2018 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: alexhol
      They know how, if they want ....

      We know yes
      Quote: alexhol
      cartoons to do.

      winked But this is something new, yours usually specialize in growing shrimps, bananas and pineapples, (you have a noble "agronomist" good) and then suddenly cartoons .. request
  14. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 13 November 2018 20: 01
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    Funds for the implementation of the project have been allocated.

    This is the most important thing, the result is not important, the main thing is to scatter funds for several projects (all important ones!), Draw beautiful pictures, make layouts which are then rolled around exhibitions and, in the end, complain about the lack of funds, like "we have practically passed to the stage trials, but the funds were cut, otherwise we would wow! "
  15. Hog
    Hog 13 November 2018 20: 30
    +1
    Reminds a ship from the Avatar Venture Star
    1. alexhol
      alexhol 13 November 2018 20: 36
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      Why are you declassifying everything? Now someone will stay without a chalet in Switzerland.
  16. ugularn
    ugularn 13 November 2018 20: 47
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    The flow rate is important and it is higher for this engine than for a chemical one with equal traction.
  17. Turist1996
    Turist1996 13 November 2018 20: 51
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    It is joyful, of course, that our science does not stand still.
    But somehow, against the background of an increase in the retirement age, VAT, a continuous increase in tariffs for electricity, water, heat, gas and prices for gasoline and diesel fuel, I would like to ask one well-known question from Gaidai's film: "Excuse me, but at whose expense is this banquet ?!"
    It seems to me what exactly at my expense ..
  18. Karabin
    Karabin 13 November 2018 21: 14
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    a model of a promising spacecraft is presented

    Armata and T-50 models are already tired. Let's play in space. laughing
  19. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 13 November 2018 21: 55
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    Great news!!! Russia is just ahead !!!
    Future beyond space, resources on our planet are depleted, and if we do not learn how to get them in space, we are doomed to die from cold and hunger ...
    1. nakhtigalsif
      nakhtigalsif 13 November 2018 22: 50
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Great news!!! Russia is just ahead !!!
      Future beyond space, resources on our planet are depleted, and if we do not learn how to get them in space, we are doomed to die from cold and hunger ...

      ... Indeed, in space it is warm and satisfying ... laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 November 2018 23: 32
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        There are a lot of asteroids in space, meteorites that contain so many rare-earth metals that they will not be able to reach the earth and for 1000 years and the needs of industry are growing from year to year. For example, Iridium per year, only 10 tons are mined.
  20. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 13 November 2018 22: 02
    -3
    Oh yes, let's pay countries for nuclear pollution! They were about to launch rockets into space ... laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 23: 37
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      This nuclear propulsion system will be launched into orbit using conventional rocket engines, into a 1000 kilometer orbit, with a second launch, a spacecraft with cargo, crew, etc. will be docked to it, and then flight will continue.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 23 November 2018 00: 15
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        Quote: Vadim237
        will be launched into orbit using conventional rocket engines
        - what's the difference when it falls? Or will it be so well protected that it can withstand a fall in altitude from 50 km? Our rockets have almost forgotten how to fly, and then it will only get worse - the potential customer countries have lost confidence, there will be less money in our space industry ... In short, minus further, but look at the statistics of launches into space for the 14th and 18th!
  21. Vladimir_R
    Vladimir_R 14 November 2018 00: 28
    +2
    I looked at this news with the aim of smiling. But a cow licked a smile after reading the comments.
    Try, gentlemen, comrades, to look at a similar, similar, pseudo-news on an English-language resource. There you can observe a relatively well-reasoned dispute. There are also arguments: UFOs, liberals, someone found oxygen in space to operate a product on a "nuclear reactor", someone has megawatts flying into space ... On the entertainment portal Reddit, young people will learn more.
    It's terrible. It is depressing.
  22. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 14 November 2018 00: 34
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    What is the hype about?
    The idea of ​​NRE has been worked out since the 40s
    Engine prototypes were created in the 60s in the USA (NERVA) and in the 70s with us (RD-0410), and even the Americans conducted fire tests. Then the ambitious manned programs were canceled, because the oil crisis and the neoliberal turn, and the projects were archived.
  23. lucul
    lucul 14 November 2018 05: 18
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    Quote: Vadim237
    No nonsense - it is true, this kind of gas-phase nuclear jet engine (GNRD) was developed in the USSR - a conceptual type of jet engine in which reactive force is created due to the release of a coolant (working fluid) from a nuclear reactor, the fuel in which is in gaseous form or It is believed that in such engines the specific impulse will be 30000-50000 m / s. Heat transfer from the fuel to the coolant is achieved mainly due to radiation, mostly in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum (at fuel temperatures of about 25 ° C ". In solid-phase NRM (TfNRD), fissile matter, as in conventional nuclear reactors, is placed in assemblies-rods (fuel rods) of complex shape with a developed surface, which makes it possible to efficiently heat a gaseous working fluid (usually hydrogen, less often ammonia), which is also a coolant cooling the structural elements and the assemblies themselves.The heating temperature is limited by the melting temperature of the structural elements (notmore than 000 K). The specific impulse of solid-phase NRE, according to modern estimates, will be 3000-8000 m / s, which is more than twice the performance of the most advanced chemical rocket engines. Ground-based demonstrators of TfNRD technologies in the 9000th century were created and successfully tested at stands (the NERVA program in the USA, RD-0410 in the USSR).

    You described the wrong engine - it's just an "unlimited range" rocket engine, and it's been known for a long time. Here we are talking about another, new nuclear engine.
    That in fact - I write about what I managed to find out from the media about this nuclear engine. The principle of operation of this nuclear engine is both simple and complex at the same time.
    A bit of theory (I will write available).
    A nuclear reactor is based on fission of nuclei (usually uranium). A nuclear reaction is possible only if there is a critical mass, for uranium it is 50 kg. Why is critical mass needed? Uranium-238 is found in nature and it is stable. For instability, uranium is enriched to -235 uranium (this is all closed information for ordinary people). So, uranium-235 is unstable, and there are scattered fission reactions in it. When fissioning a uranium nucleus, it decays into plutonium and at the same time 3 neutrons fly out of the nucleus. Flying past another (close) uranium nucleus, a neutron excites that nucleus, which is already unstable and easily decays from that part of the energy that the neutron told him. In nuclear fission, new 3 nuclei of neutrons again appear, each of which is capable of exciting 3 new nuclei, which will already produce 9 neutrons, etc. That is, an avalanche-like chain reaction occurs. What is the difficulty? The internuclear distances are huge (by the standards of the neutron), although uranium is a very dense substance and not every neutron can meet an atom in its path. So, the critical mass is an indicator at which almost all neutrons meet atoms on their way and a chain reaction occurs. Nuclear weapons chain reaction is avalanche-like and uncontrollable (broads and all)
    In a nuclear reactor, the chain reaction is controlled. The principle of controlling the reactor chain reaction is simple and complex at the same time. In the presence of a critical mass, a chain reaction begins, the reactor begins to heat up quickly (5 g C) and they try to control this temperature increase. For control, retarder rods (usually from boron) are lowered. Moderator rods capture free neutrons, and without neutrons, as I mentioned above, a chain reaction will not occur. Lowering the retarder rods to the bottom of the reactor interrupts the fission chain reaction forever. The reactor is shut off and shut down. It cannot be launched on a new one - only if you change the fuel (the core itself).
    As I already said, a nuclear reactor heats up to high temperatures, but this process is controlled and usually "keep" the temperature around 1000 degrees Celsius, the reactor is usually cooled with water (sometimes another substance), which turns into steam from such temperatures, and the steam itself is already in fact, it rotates the blades of the generator, then it cools down and returns again for cooling, that is, it works in a closed cycle.
    What is the difference between the new reactor?
    Yes, the fact is that here the water is replaced by a special composition, which also turns into steam, and this steam (pressure) is also used as an engine. If you carefully look at the figure in the article

    then we see that the ball in the head of the ship is a nuclear reactor and blue shows the steam exiting the reactor under pressure (this is that water substitute cooling the reactor) into outer space
    And now attention - the highlight - this vapor is quickly cooled to the level of liquid / ice, (because in a vacuum the temperature is below 270 degrees C), which is then captured by the ship's hull and fed again to cool the reactor !!!!! That is, a closed cycle is formed. Another question is that it is impossible to collect all the liquid / ice 100% back, and the question is how long it will last. There is enough fuel in the reactor for 50 years, but how long will the "coolant" last, taking into account irrecoverable losses?
    So, this nuclear engine is definitely weaker than the chemical, but stronger than the ion engine.
    How safe it will be for people is of course the question.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 November 2018 10: 00
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      This is not a reactor, but a protective plate from meteorites, YaZhRE for interplanetary flights is much preferable, since they have a huge thrust of 50MN and a speed of 500 or more kilometers per second, and accordingly the minimum flight time to Mars in one, two weeks.
  24. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 November 2018 08: 48
    +1
    I think it will be a breakthrough. The use of unlimited energy in space paves the way for long space flights, including interplanetary ones. This is called the peaceful use of nuclear technology, in this case space research.
  25. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 14 November 2018 09: 23
    -1
    Why not make an engine that would take fuel from an endless reservoir - subspaces ?!
    It is not a secret for anyone that there is so much energy in a subspace that one simply cannot imagine. Plus, interstellar flights can be made through the subspace.
    From Earth to Jupiter in a few minutes? No problem!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 November 2018 10: 02
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      With such an acceleration - the crew will turn into a cake from overload.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 14 November 2018 10: 31
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        With such an acceleration - the crew will turn into a cake from overload.

        Put the anti-overload module and that's it.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 November 2018 13: 16
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          And what does it look like - this module?
  26. Stoler
    Stoler 14 November 2018 09: 27
    -1
    good Absurdity, the Armed forces of Russia shoot cartoons more than Russian cinema! laughing lol
  27. Avior
    Avior 14 November 2018 09: 35
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    cartoons learned to shoot nobly. left with the engines to achieve a result
  28. Larum
    Larum 14 November 2018 09: 53
    -2
    The quality of the figured roller.
    If you have already started a hybrid war of 3D movies, then at least you need to shoot well.
    The plot, script, effects.
    Otherwise, there is only one laugh.
  29. lucul
    lucul 14 November 2018 10: 31
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    Quote: Vadim237
    This is not a reactor, but a protective plate from meteorites
    )))
    Quote: Vadim237
    YAZhRE for interplanetary flights is much preferable, since they have a huge thrust of 50MN and a speed of 500 or more kilometers per second, and, accordingly, a minimum flight time to Mars in one, two weeks.

    How many hours of operation (jet stream) is enough fuel in the engine you brought? )))
    And here we are talking about years of engine operation, i.e., flight with acceleration, and not about years of flight with inertia)).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 November 2018 13: 36
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      With a fuel mass of 10000 tons -10000 seconds of work, this amount of fuel is enough to accelerate the ship to a speed of 500 kilometers per second, Ionic accelerates from 0 to 100 kilometers per hour in 48 hours. The distance to Mars is 150000000 kilometers, if you fly along a circular trajectory around the Sun for more than 10000000000 kilometers, if you set aside time for acceleration and deceleration, in the first embodiment, the ship with YAJ will reach Mars in 3,5 days, in the second version in 23 days, on the ion to Mars accelerate and fly for 3,5 years - on a short path, even if they create an incredibly powerful ion engine with a thrust of 10000H. Here is the inertia.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 November 2018 14: 10
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        To the Alpha Centauri, which is located at a distance of almost 5 trillion kilometers from the Sun, a ship with a nuclear rocket engine, fuel mass of 20000 tons and a speed of 500 kilometers per second, will fly in 8 years to Sirius - 10 trillion kilometers in 16 years.
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  31. _Krechet_
    _Krechet_ 14 November 2018 16: 03
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    Good news. Such projects are able to consolidate a variety of players.