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Russian Defense Ministry data on damage assessment at Admiral Kuznetsov

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The main military department reports on how the repair of the largest combat ship of the Russian Navy - aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - is progressing after the float of the PD-50 floating boat. Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko told the media that a special commission assessed the damage caused to Admiral Kuznetsov in the accident with a floating dock at the 82-6 ship repair yard.


Russian Defense Ministry data on damage assessment at Admiral Kuznetsov


Damage assessment was carried out on 35-m ship repair yard, where the aircraft carrier was transferred to continue the repair and modernization works. Krivoruchko actually confirmed the statement, previously made in the United Shipbuilding Corporation. According to him, the refinements made to the schedule will not affect the timeline for the completion of all those works that were provided for by the contract.

The commission confirmed that the warship had received damage to parts of its deck and hull. All these damages are associated with the fall of tower cranes, which were installed on PD-50.

It should be noted that during the accident on the night of October 30 four people suffered from hypothermia - were in the water. One person is still missing.

Earlier in the press there was information that the lifting of semi-heated PD-50 can be waived. It was noted that the cost of the entire operation may end up being comparable to the acquisition of a new floating dock. One of the main difficulties is that the float is located on the edge of a sea pit to a depth of 100 m. Any attempt to level it can lead to a float in this pit together with lifting equipment.
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  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 November 2018 13: 19
    +27
    This dock in Sweden built 4 years. It’s a pity that he was drowned.
    PS Today HNoMS Helge Ingstad finally drowned.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 November 2018 13: 22
      +12
      So for what reason the incident occurred, who is to blame, what conclusions are made? So many questions...
      1. Logall
        Logall 13 November 2018 13: 25
        +33
        In the old days, someone would have been imprisoned, but someone would have most likely been shot! And they would continue to work, but better.
        And now we consider the damage ...
        1. Underwater hunter
          Underwater hunter 13 November 2018 13: 30
          +25
          Quote: Logall
          In the old days, someone would have been imprisoned, but someone would have most likely been shot!
          And now we consider the damage ...

          You definitely noticed it, now nothing is said about the perpetrators, it seems that the responsibility clause has been deleted from the manager’s employment contract ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 13 November 2018 16: 10
            0
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            nothing is reported about the perpetrators

            The culprits will be punished, but this is the military-industrial complex and there is no need to declassify persons. Intensive diving operations are also underway, all diving reserves were driven there, i.e. it can be only one thing - the climb is already underway.
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            PS Today HNoMS Helge Ingstad finally drowned.

            The Norwegian frigate apparently fell prey to the tide, although he straightened it.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 13 November 2018 13: 30
          +5
          Count not count, fools glass for a while.
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 13 November 2018 19: 19
          -1
          Quote: Logall
          In the old days, someone would have been imprisoned, but someone would have most likely been shot! And they would continue to work, but better.
          And now we consider the damage ...

          So now everything is for money and around money. It used to be for conscience. And now, can you imagine how calculators crack at night? It is necessary to decide what is more profitable: to raise or build a new one, the difference in kickbacks is significant.
        4. Tusk-M
          Tusk-M 13 November 2018 19: 55
          -1
          Quote: Logall
          In the old days, someone would have been imprisoned, but someone would have most likely been shot! And they would continue to work, but better.
          And now we consider the damage ...

          Ah, the poet, how are you right .. Now all that’s left is to sigh and snap back to all the wise men here vile ..
          The conclusion is that some are afraid of the deep modernization of our "Kuzi" ..!
          The diversion is unambiguous, as in many other things in the USSR, Russia ..
          What to do ? Work and ... WET the devils.
          Activation goes "sleeping" creepy in Russia!
          Quote: APASUS
          So now everything is for money and around money. It used to be for conscience. And now, can you imagine how calculators crack at night?

          Well, after your words, do not sleep again at night and sigh with gritted teeth ..
          There is no conscience and everywhere this stupid Pah damn Cash-bag (right, sort of ..))))))
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          2. ihnovich990
            ihnovich990 13 November 2018 22: 33
            +1
            Ah, the poet, how are you right .. Now all that’s left is to sigh and snap back to all the wise men here vile ...Mihan again risen or what?The conclusion is that some are afraid of the deep modernization of our "Kuzi" ..!
            The diversion is unambiguous, as in many other things in the USSR, Russia ..
            What to do ? Work and ... WET the devils.
            Activation goes "sleeping" creepy in Russia!
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 13 November 2018 13: 26
        +11
        Quote: Svarog
        So for what reason the incident occurred,

        The measures taken by Rosneft to optimize and reduce costs have been very effective. So we have such a result. The Yeltsin affair lives and wins.
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 13 November 2018 13: 36
          0
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Quote: Svarog
          So for what reason the incident occurred,

          The measures taken by Rosneft to optimize and reduce costs have been very effective. So we have such a result. The Yeltsin affair lives and wins.

          In Ukraine, there is a proverb- "In the garden is an elderberry, and in Kiev, there is an uncle."
          You definitely fall into the meaning of this proverb. Apparently, they read a lot of Ukrainian literature. And much was adopted in logical reasoning from Ukrainian philosophers. Not that all of this could be mastered. You succeded.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2018 13: 28
        +10
        "Kuznetsov" had a hard fate, like an aircraft-carrying ship, but not an aircraft carrier, and not a cruiser, and missile silos are empty, and the only combat campaign, it’s not successful to call it ... pity it, they did not bring it to mind, the country was destroyed together with the fleet.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 13 November 2018 14: 33
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          like an aircraft carrier, but not an aircraft carrier

          He became the namesake aircraft carrier when he removed the main caliber -PKR Granit.
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I feel sorry for him, they didn’t bring it to mind, the country was destroyed along with the fleet.

          We sold his classmate to China, maybe we didn’t need to ... and also 4 Sarych there too. Now we have 2 Sarych in the ranks and 9! written off. Question-how to fill the niche of destroyers, if the issue of building Super Gorshkov is not resolved?
        2. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec 13 November 2018 16: 01
          +1
          The number (including errors) will sooner or later turn into quality. If you will, then I, as a production worker, are well aware of the situation that we have with the fleet. Of course, I’m not a specialist, and in general a man is exceptionally land, but I would say that the bottom in the industry has already been passed, and now things will gradually go smoothly. Another thing is that we won’t see ten more years of concrete results (and we all understand what we are waiting for — a new ocean fleet).
          1. notingem
            notingem 13 November 2018 21: 56
            0
            YOU ARE NOT JUST A LANDBAR You are wonderful. In ten years we will NOT have a fleet
      4. Machito
        Machito 13 November 2018 13: 32
        +3
        Krivoruchko estimated the damage.
        Caught in the loot.
        Who's guilty? Who will answer?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2018 13: 51
          +7
          Quote: Bearded

          Krivoruchko estimated the damage.
          Caught in the loot.
          Who's guilty? Who will answer
          answer: "grandfather fir" will suit?
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 13 November 2018 15: 47
            +6
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            Quote: Bearded

            Krivoruchko estimated the damage.
            Caught in the loot.
            Who's guilty? Who will answer
            answer: "grandfather fir" will suit?

            belay belay stop request request................................
      5. helmi8
        helmi8 13 November 2018 13: 33
        +22
        Quote: Svarog
        who's guilty

        Most likely, the fault is the mechanic who failed to start the emergency diesel generators. Well, the fact that they did not bring diesel fuel for these same generators, that they reduced the number of workers, and that in general they transferred this dock under the control of "effective managers" from the oil industry absolutely far from shipbuilding - it had nothing to do with it, they (the managers) managed well, these are all bad workers ... Most likely it will be so. And Sechin is not to blame.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 November 2018 13: 37
          -20
          Yes, most likely the diesel workers themselves dangled this diesel fuel.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2018 13: 55
            +12
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, most likely the diesel workers themselves dangled this diesel fuel.

            not those times, do not "pull" for hard workers ... lolright now only the boss steals.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 November 2018 15: 18
              -2
              Yes - last week at one of the refineries in the Volgograd region 12 cubic meters of diesel fuel "leaked" - a dismissed employee tried his best in his two weeks of working off.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 13 November 2018 16: 14
              +3
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, most likely the diesel workers themselves dangled this diesel fuel.

              not those times, do not "pull" for hard workers ... right now, only the bosses steal.

              You just don’t have to laugh ... Diesel is one of the types of income of any civilian crew of min. Defense ships ... They don’t pay much, they get it as they can .. I’m writing not to condemn people ..... But this one isn’t happy tradition!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 November 2018 14: 35
          +9
          Quote: helmi8
          Most likely, the mechanic who failed to start the emergency diesel generators is to blame.

          There is one problem ... EMNIP, they reduced all the mechanics on the floating dock - they did not leave a single one for the role of vice chairman. So the head of the fuel and lubricants warehouse, who did not give birth to diesel fuel, whose purchase budget was also completely reduced, will be to blame.
          Well, the one who signed the orders and instructions on the reduction cannot be to blame? wink
        3. doodlez
          doodlez 13 November 2018 20: 39
          +3
          The Matorists have long reduced food served only from the shore. The disilists have an alibi.
        4. Tashkent citizen
          Tashkent citizen 14 November 2018 06: 55
          +1
          Most likely, the mechanic who failed to start the emergency diesel generators is to blame ...

          All right.
          This mechanic with the head of the dock (I don’t know how to do it right) will be closed.
          But Sechin and other managers are pure innocents.
      6. bogart047
        bogart047 13 November 2018 13: 49
        -4
        as usual, the human factor. Crooked monkeys, which must be sent to cut down the forest in Siberia.
        1. yustas
          yustas 13 November 2018 13: 55
          +3
          We do not need anyone, our own
      7. kapitan92
        kapitan92 13 November 2018 13: 50
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        So for what reason the incident occurred,

        Details and the exact extent of the damage are being established. At the moment, the most cited version of events says that the accident occurred during the planned withdrawal of Kuznetsov from the dock and was caused by a power outage, which led to the stop of pumps pumping water from the tanks and, as a result, to the flooding of the dock. The operation of ballasting systems went abnormally when withdrawing from the dock. in connection, a sudden power outage from the shore. This led to uncontrolled immersion of one of the towers of the dock, which led to a significant roll.
        According to Oblenergo, there were no shutdowns of the plant, a temporary interruption of supply could occur when the wires were broken, due to snow sticking to them.
        The dock did not switch to its own power, since the PD-50 motor team was reduced, and fuel for diesel generators was not purchased.
        The floating dock PD-50 belongs to the shipyard SRZ-82. The refinery, which had long been a state-owned enterprise, was privatized in the early 2010s and is now owned by Rosneft through RN-Active.

        The plant was transferred to Rosneft in 2015. It was assumed that on its basis a base for offshore projects would be created. In addition, it was believed that the transfer to the balance sheet of a large commercial company would save the plant as a base for ship repair for the Navy.

        Separately, it is worth noting that the PD-50 dock with a carrying capacity of 80 thousand tons is the only one in the north capable of receiving an aircraft carrier. In addition, the dock was actively used to repair smaller ships and submarines, which were often put there in 2-3 units at a time.
      8. Herald of the Revolution
        Herald of the Revolution 13 November 2018 14: 09
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        who's guilty

        We will never know the truth about this ... at least from the Moscow Region, we certainly will not wait for it. Well, at least Amerov and the Ukrainians did not think of blaming this (for now) and thanks for that.
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    2. Operator
      Operator 13 November 2018 13: 29
      0
      "Today HNoMS Helge Ingstad finally drowned"

      What will the first storm do with a drowned Norwegian frigate?
      1. Machito
        Machito 13 November 2018 13: 34
        -8
        Minus one.
        Without clinking glasses. laughing drinks
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 13 November 2018 14: 13
          +7
          Quote: Bearded
          Minus one.
          Without clinking glasses

          We have a flooded boat sank which costs more than three such destroyers ... and even almost lost Kuzya ... So I would be careful in your place to gloat over this topic, unfortunately the bill will not be in our favor much.
          1. Operator
            Operator 13 November 2018 14: 46
            +7
            The cost of one frigate of the "Fridtjof Nansen" class in 2003 was 500 million US dollars.

            Now the cost of constructing a new frigate along with electronics will be at least 1 billion US dollars, i.e. times more than the cost of building a floating dock with a carrying capacity of 80 thousand tons, together with crane equipment.
          2. Grits
            Grits 14 November 2018 05: 21
            +1
            We have flooded sank which costs more than three such destroyers
            In this destroyer of electrical equipment and electronics so much that only it is more expensive than the dock
      2. Mgero34
        Mgero34 13 November 2018 13: 37
        -2
        Esli Chepe na Ukraine tagda Rossiya vinavata, esli U nas chepe Ameri ne chesno kak to?
      3. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 26
        +3
        Quote: Operator
        What will the first storm do with a drowned Norwegian frigate?

        It doesn’t matter, it’s the end, they will raise it of course, but they will send it for cutting, repairs will cost more than a new one.
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    4. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2018 13: 38
      -1
      It seems that Engels, in Ani-Dühring, noted that the state's military expenditures are a part of the national income thrown into the water.
  2. bistrov.
    bistrov. 13 November 2018 13: 24
    +5
    So what? Someone responsible for this whole mess?
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 13 November 2018 13: 35
      +4
      What do you think ??
      I think that "Master Petrov is to blame", for "he did not report on time", or something like that. Will not bring himself to court, some sort of Sechin!))))
      The accountants, with us, launch rockets, into space, treat, teach ... In general, master ... The results in ALL areas ..
      Well, at least the ship wasn’t killed
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 13 November 2018 14: 36
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      So what? Someone responsible for this whole mess?

      The one who supports the transfer of state ownership into private pockets without the slightest labor costs and investment should answer, this applies to the ship factories and the oil and gas sector. Who this pillbox still supports, I think the question is rhetorical.
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 13 November 2018 13: 26
    +4
    Kuzi's left side is not shown under the crane, and there were ZRAKI there. What is the matter with them?
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 13 November 2018 14: 01
      +4
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Kuzi's left side is not shown under the crane, and there were ZRAKI there. What is the matter with them?

      Docking takes place without BC, and this is important!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2018 14: 39
      +3
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Kuzi's left side is not shown under the crane, and there were ZRAKI there. What is the matter with them?

      There is still a good question - what about the aerial platform, on the platform of which lies the crane?
    3. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 28
      0
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Kuzi's left side is not shown under the crane, and there were ZRAKI there. What is the matter with them?

      To hell with them, the deck in the area of ​​the aerofinisher is damaged, and this is the end of everything. There the deck broke through and led.
  4. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 13 November 2018 13: 27
    +2
    For some reason, I believe that you can raise the dock.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 13 November 2018 13: 32
      +9
      Probably possible! But it is necessary that the taxis are engineers, not managers. Although, in this case, he would not be drowned ...
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 13 November 2018 13: 46
      +1
      It’s probably possible to raise it, but in what condition will it be, what repair will be needed? On the other hand, who will build it for us now? Chinese? Solid questions.
    3. ASASHOKA
      ASASHOKA 13 November 2018 14: 34
      -1
      Everything is possible, but later
    4. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 30
      0
      Quote: bessmertniy
      For some reason, I believe that you can raise the dock.

      Of course you can, but he cracked from the impact on the bottom, and therefore they say that it is easier to push into the depths so that the ends are in the water.
  5. engineer74
    engineer74 13 November 2018 13: 28
    +2
    comparable to acquisition of new floating dock.

    Why immediately with the "acquisition" ??? The option to build was not even considered? The familiar style of "effective" managers ... sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 13: 44
      0
      Probably because it is unprofitable to create such production for one or two similar docks. "Zvezda" has more chances, a huge dry dock is being built there, for the construction of 400 meter tankers, if they take it, it will be 26 years old.
      1. victor50
        victor50 13 November 2018 14: 06
        +9
        [quote = Vadim237] Probably because creating such a production for one of two such docks is unprofitable. [/ quote
        Somewhere cost-effective !? And what is profitable now? To listen to new effective managers: agriculture is unprofitable, industry is unprofitable, everything is unprofitable, except for oil and gas production, and even then not always!
        There is also the country's security in a broad sense. So, according to her, as far as I understand, it is absolutely necessary to grow grain in our conditions and produce medicines. And life shows that everything else is the same. As it was in the USSR. Let not everything super, albeit sometimes clumsy and expensive, but improve, improve and ... do not care about any sanctions and other quirks of "friends".
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 November 2018 15: 28
          -3
          Agriculture is now more than profitable, industry, in my opinion, makes good profit, and building an enterprise for two floating docks costs 200 or more billion rubles, hiring workers, purchasing equipment, and then shutting it down and dismissing it because of the lack of orders , due to the fact that you don’t need two of them, and you don’t need such floating docks abroad, because they have their own well-established manufacturers - it’s silly, now it’s not the USSR and not a planned economy that would be thrown into money for all kinds of disposable megaprojects.
          1. victor50
            victor50 14 November 2018 12: 29
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            I don’t need anyone, because they have their own well-established manufacturers - it’s silly, now it’s not the USSR and not a planned economy that would be thrown into money for all kinds of disposable megaprojects

            Listen, if you are so "literate" (quotes: Russian - oh-oh-oh!), Versed in economics, its organization, tell everyone else, including me, so that they know: why do we live so badly?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 November 2018 13: 44
      0
      Quote: engineer74
      comparable to acquisition of new floating dock.

      Why immediately with the "acquisition" ??? The option to build was not even considered? The familiar style of "effective" managers ... sad

      Who, where and at what time can build it in Russia?
    3. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 13 November 2018 13: 48
      +4
      In the Soviet years it was bought.
  6. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 November 2018 13: 36
    -1
    So what is all the same damage ??? Can a new build?
  7. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 13 November 2018 13: 38
    +8
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    This dock in Sweden built 4 years. It’s a pity that he was drowned.
    PS Today HNoMS Helge Ingstad finally drowned.

    Good news!
    Now, we will rejoice in the failures of the adversaries, and not our own achievements
    1. loki565
      loki565 13 November 2018 15: 18
      0
      The fewer frigates have, the less they will be able to cause us problems, at least in the future. even hypothetical .... so you can rejoice
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 34
        0
        Quote: loki565
        The fewer frigates have, the less they will be able to cause us problems, at least in the future. even hypothetical .... so you can rejoice

        Norway is not a poor country and can buy a new frigate.
        1. loki565
          loki565 13 November 2018 21: 44
          0
          And here it doesn’t matter whether it’s poor or rich, if they buy a new one, they’ll spend the money that was intended for something else, thereby not increasing their combat potential
          1. notingem
            notingem 13 November 2018 22: 10
            -2
            The frigate against the only dock in Russia is not in the suit. NATO is in the black. Sechin too
            1. notingem
              notingem 13 November 2018 22: 14
              0
              Probably the whole of Norway will eat macaroni and buy a new frigate
            2. loki565
              loki565 13 November 2018 22: 49
              0
              Yes, even a herring with milk, I’m on the drum))) and who is Sechin and why is it in the black ??? and how are you, in plus or minus, your opinion is very important)))
  8. Curious
    Curious 13 November 2018 13: 39
    +10
    Why is this aircraft carrier and the dock with it, if there are at least analogous hypersonic missiles that are completely illuminating? Drowned - and rightly so. The most interesting thing is that the lack of a dock and damage will not affect the duration of the repair, according to the naval commanders. The question is why did they even put him in the dock?
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 13 November 2018 13: 46
      +3
      good
      ... you can cut it all, sell))
      "the burden on the budget" will be less, and all of us will do well))))
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 13 November 2018 14: 17
      +7
      Elementary! To drown together, so as not to compete with hypersonic in the absence of analogues.
  9. BAI
    BAI 13 November 2018 13: 45
    +4
    One person is still missing.

    Well, it’s clear - he died, so many days have passed (if he was on the dock at the time of the accident).
  10. Svarog
    Svarog 13 November 2018 13: 46
    +6
    Quote: Curious
    The most interesting thing is that the lack of a dock and damage will not affect the duration of the repair, according to the naval commanders. The question is why did they even put him in the dock?

    Of course, they will soon tell us that it will even benefit and accelerate the process ..
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 November 2018 14: 05
    +4
    In general, it seems very sabotage and some questions arise, to be honest.
    That's right, they cut electricity right at the right moment and everything drowned abruptly.
    We seem to be like 90, when the light could be cut off just like that ...
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 13 November 2018 17: 32
      0
      In the very same thoughts arise. Although sloppiness has not yet been canceled.
      I talked with one man and he claims that it is sloppiness, he was there in the spring: the administration gave up on their duties, and there are all kinds of hard workers. In principle, this is possible, people say for a reason: "the cat is sleeping, and the mice are dancing"
  12. 501Legion
    501Legion 13 November 2018 14: 11
    +6
    and new docks cannot be ordered because sanctions are dual-use equipment. It’s a pity that they themselves will not be able to build. for good, you need 2 of these at least
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 13 November 2018 15: 43
      0
      If the trend continues, in the near future, we will not need them
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 November 2018 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: 501Legion
      It’s a pity that they themselves will not be able to build.

      It is possible to build, but who will build for the clicks? No more difficult than to build gateways throughout the Volga-Don Canal. I understand only one thing - now in Russia no one will do anything without a real fat. Do not believe? Then guess why all the same at large construction sites such frantic estimates and giant cost overruns? Precisely because this is the payment instead of profit. This is for the country all these olympiads-mundial-high-speed railway - airports - bridges will once again pay off. And for contractors, profits (the state, according to Forbes) grows almost immediately after ...
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 13 November 2018 17: 44
      0
      Quote: 501Legion
      and new docks cannot be ordered because sanctions are dual-use equipment.

      China will build everything for money. They have already completed the Zvezda in the Far East.
  13. dgonni
    dgonni 13 November 2018 14: 31
    +8
    Here is what interests me. 90 years ago, Edward Cox, having no special education, lifted almost the entire fleet of the German high seas from the bottom of the scapa flow. And there were battlecruisers and battleships. Moreover, they lay upside down and on their sides and had to deliver materials far over. And here, right on the shore, the flooding was drowned and they cannot lift a pancake. Well, at least they honestly said that the hole was leaking like a sieve and there was no reason to raise it, it was cheaper to undermine it on the ground. And it can slip into a hole. Kindergarten word ches
    1. loki565
      loki565 13 November 2018 15: 25
      0
      The issue of price, you can raise everything, won the Kursk if you wanted. The float dock was badly damaged during the flooding. And when he was afloat, why did the pumps work ??? So there were leaks and outboard water came. And when the light was cut down and the pumps got up, he went to the bottom under the weight of Kuzi ...
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 13 November 2018 15: 36
        0
        What damn the price near the shore then? Blow and pop up. If it broke, let them write directly there was no planned exit for the kuzi. Dock in touch and there is no sense to raise. Although the Swedes are built on conscience and during normal operation, the docks live for 70-100 years.
        P.S. There may be another underwater ambush. There, at the bottom of the maltz, ammunition lies in the form of munitions from the forehead and the rest from the nodule. And no one knows what is under the hull of the floating dock, having acrilled themselves with the retired moroman.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 November 2018 16: 09
          0
          Quote: dgonni
          Although the Swedes are built on conscience and during normal operation, the docks live for 70-100 years.

          Well, yes ... if they don’t hit the bottom, then of course
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 November 2018 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: dgonni
      Well, at least they honestly said that the flooded hole is like a sieve and there is no reason to raise it, it is cheaper to undermine it on the ground.

      Then two natural questions may arise:
      1. On the basis of what and under what "grandmothers" you decided to install another in one trough? belay
      2. Where is the money, Zin?
      request
  14. Vitas
    Vitas 13 November 2018 14: 38
    0
    One of the main difficulties is that the floating dock is located on the edge of a sea pit up to 100 m deep. Any attempt to level it can lead to the floating dock sliding into this hole together with lifting equipment.

    No, you already have it. Need to try!
  15. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 13 November 2018 14: 43
    +1
    It is interesting, and if the damage would have been significant, then they would have said so right away ...
    I can say goodbye to the dock, as I understand it. The pit was there - if the case is deformed then it no longer matters.
  16. uav80
    uav80 13 November 2018 14: 53
    +1
    Forget about the PD-50 and build a new one or buy it (who’s just selling it is interesting), even if they raise it in 2 years, can it be finally restored, it’s still written on the water ...
  17. bald
    bald 13 November 2018 15: 15
    +2
    It’s easier to throw it there specially (into the pit), not to risk people. And already there to think. Maybe all the same, Kuznetsova can do it afloat, because most of the waterline and the divers will do it below the waterline (I don’t know the wear and tear) - after all, it was not the hull that they decided to change - cleaning of the shell rock is possible, as well as steering (keel) with propeller blades. Small welding under water is also done, and there are special boxes to do dry. Although they know better. But the fucking stuffing box from the water, which is on the pulley (I forgot how to call it correctly) - has a useful life.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 13 November 2018 17: 29
      +3
      Stern devices
      1. bald
        bald 13 November 2018 17: 41
        +1
        Thank you Valery - I just can’t remember this word. After all, I’ll forget again, I mostly worked on laying communication cables, I was engaged in underwater, already in civilian life — having graduated from a marine school, specializing in scuba diver — they studied everything there, but the practice and work on ships did not work. So you forget a lot. (1984 year)
        1. Curious
          Curious 13 November 2018 17: 55
          +1

          Stern tube device "Glasir Herbert". Disassemble afloat.
          1. bald
            bald 13 November 2018 19: 11
            +1
            So what is their problem then? - and the case - here one participant offers a good idea - I tell him to offer - specialists from Murmansk read us - they don’t think about it - now I’ll throw you his idea
            1. bald
              bald 13 November 2018 19: 12
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              Rzzz
              The defect of the case is just mono to conduct afloat, there are such devices. But the repair - absolutely nothing.
              I have an idea. Drive a steamer somewhere east, to some Dudinka. And freeze in ice. There, without docks, they make repairs in the ice bowl. But to cut the bowl into an 8-meter draft - this is going crazy !!!
  18. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 November 2018 15: 49
    +4
    Cost-effective or not, but it's time to raise the question of the profitability of the Russian government ... What a bad luck! All the same, drowned. But no one is embarrassed by the situation when military enterprises, military educational institutions are passed from hand to hand, then pulled apart, and then, after releasing sighs and regrets about what was lost, they simply restore it at the expense of social programs? belay Do you think the PD-50 is the last beep? Yes, you dig any Russian production of sophisticated equipment and electronics. Be sure to stumble upon either the import or the sanctions component.
    Equipment built in the late seventies. It just got physically old. It is interesting that this is not a state property, but what will you do to the owner, who, for example, simply burned down his house. I have never heard the concern that the repair of a unique (one-of-a-kind) equipment - an aircraft-carrying cruiser - was entrusted to some office that has no state status. And after that you will begin to assert that the country's defense is the most important state obligation, the primary task? Is it true? Then let's see how quietly this case of wild irresponsibility will come to naught.
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 13 November 2018 16: 46
      +3
      I am interested in the fate of Uncle Vasi, who was sent to close in Russian Kingston! Not a word for him. And he was from the old apparently. Here is his pity.
  19. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 November 2018 16: 08
    +4
    So I did not understand, but where is the damage assessment?
    The Defense Ministry repeated the plaintive moan of the USCs, who assured that despite all the same they would manage on time, take on, you see, increased socialist obligations. And what else remains for them? They will begin to cry about extending the terms of repair in two years, when the drowning of the dock is forgotten, and this, of course, will not be connected with the accident wassat
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 39
      +2
      They can’t say that the ship is dead. For them, this is an occasion to extend the repair period to infinity and to absorb funds every year.
  20. Naughty
    Naughty 13 November 2018 16: 24
    -1
    Yes, they would have cut it to the poor fellow already to pieces What is it, what is it not The difference is what?
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 13 November 2018 19: 40
      -1
      Quote: Vzdrincher
      Yes, they would have cut it to the poor fellow already to pieces What is it, what is it not The difference is what?

      Pride does not allow, after all, the first aircraft carrier.
      1. victor50
        victor50 14 November 2018 12: 44
        0
        Quote: Puncher
        Quote: Vzdrincher
        Yes, they would have cut it to the poor fellow already to pieces What is it, what is it not The difference is what?

        Pride does not allow, after all, the first aircraft carrier.

        They built it for India - and we will be proud of it! wink Just kidding
  21. vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2018 17: 16
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    Quote: Sevastiec
    Brought

    God grant that it be so
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  23. Benjamin Gnomes
    Benjamin Gnomes 13 November 2018 22: 33
    -2
    Yes, cut it already! a disgrace, neither a cruiser nor an aircraft carrier. That’s what the Russian money went under the rule of komunyak and to feed different blacks. And komunyaki still whining about the current government) look at yourself, damages!
    1. victor50
      victor50 14 November 2018 12: 47
      0
      Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
      That’s what the Russian money went under the rule of komunyak and to feed different blacks. And komunyaki still whining about the current government) look at yourself, damages!

      Tell us, indigo, where are you going now, to the board over and above the efficient and all knowing like you? laughing
  24. Woldemar
    Woldemar 14 November 2018 00: 35
    +2
    I feel sorry for the man who disappeared.