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Dismember and distribute Ukraine? Will not work!

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Simultaneous street actions took place in Moscow and Warsaw, the participants of which demanded the dismemberment of Ukraine and the transfer of its land to neighboring states: Russia, Poland, Romania and Hungary. The organizers of these actions were two political organizations: The Other Russia by Eduard Limonov and the Polish right-wing group Phalanga.




The events took place near the buildings of the Ukrainian embassies in the Polish and Russian capitals. And in Poland it was a rally, in Russia - a single picket stopped by the police.

A number of media outlets circulated a manifesto dedicated to this action. This declaration states that "the policy of the Russian leadership towards Ukraine has reached a dead end," and "many millions of Russian people in Kharkov, Odessa and other cities and regions live under occupation and national oppression." That Ukraine “should shrink to its historical 7-8 central regions, having ceased to be an aggressive monster, forcibly "Ukrainianizing" and oppressing various peoples. To achieve this goal, it is necessary to unite efforts with the neighbors of Ukraine, which have their own claims to it ”.

“Give the partition of Ukraine! Kharkiv and Odessa are Russians, Lviv is Polish, Transcarpathia is Hungarian, Bukovina is Romanian! ”Says the declaration promulgated by Other Russia.

Dismember and distribute Ukraine? Will not work!


This idea is not new. With this proposal, the leader of this organization, the writer and politician Eduard Limonov, has long been advocating, “pacifying” Ukraine by dividing its territories between neighboring countries.

“They will not stretch, they will have to lose all the colonies. Ukraine is a small colonial empire. They still hold the eight Russian-speaking regions (I don’t count the Crimea anymore), four Polish regions, including Lviv, a huge number of Romanian lands, Hungarian lands and a piece of Slovakia. When these five countries take advantage of their historical right and take their lands from Ukraine, it will be more awesome than any Minsk agreements, ”the writer told The Day TV a couple of years ago.



“Ukraine will remain with 9 areas and with a very decent population by European standards - 20 million people. And she will be peaceful and calm, because she will not be able to stir anything up to ruin everyone’s life, ”Limonov suggested.

Of course, Limonov, a creative person, has the right to his artistic images, which literary critics should evaluate. Both Other Russia and Phalanga are marginal and few organizations, and it would seem that they could simply be dismissed as if the carnival culture had been borrowed from their neighbors.

But not everything is so simple. The idea of ​​dividing Ukraine between Russia, Poland, Hungary, Romania has its supporters in a patriotic environment and was even publicly voiced by politicians, including deputies of the State Duma.



Moreover, in the part of the expert community close to the Kremlin, there is a perception that Russia is constrained by limited resources from conducting the operation to force the peace of the Kiev junta, which is why it cannot take the ruins of Ukraine to provide for it. The current government in Ukraine, for all its criminality and lack of professionalism, nevertheless ensures a similarity of order in the territory under its control and the execution of basic functions, albeit in a “fading mode”. In the event of the liquidation of the state apparatus, Russia will have to take care of the entire territory and the population located there.

This, by the way, was directly stated by George Soros. “Russia will not be able to leave Ukrainians starve to death and freeze to death in the ruins. However, Europe will still win even if Ukraine will only have a huge ashes, littered with a mountain of stinking corpses, ”the well-known financier argued.



Moreover, the situation is such that even without any “coercive operations”, the current Ukrainian government can collapse, bringing the country into the indicated state. And in this sense, it is tempting to share the costs of saving the remaining population and restoring the necessary order on the lands of the former Ukraine with someone else. For example, with the specified countries, having paid with them the western territories of this republic. Purely from a tactical point of view, such a decision may seem justified, but from a strategic point of view it does not stand up to scrutiny.

To begin with, there are no “Polish” and “Russian-speaking” regions, Romanian and Hungarian lands within modern Ukraine. These are all native Russian lands that were once part of the ancient Russian state. These territories were repeatedly conquered and liberated by the Russian troops, each their inch was watered with Russian blood.

The fact that today this sacred land for us is occupied and is under the control of Western puppets and collaborators does not change the essence. “Where the Russian flag is raised once, it should not be lowered there,” said Emperor Nikolai Pavlovich.

However, instead, people who call themselves Russian patriots, offer to give these lands, and, probably, together with their Russian population to countries that do not have any rights to them. After all, such territorial acquisitions are achieved as a result of heavy wars and are paid for with the blood of soldiers.

We also note that even Galicia, Chervonnaya Rus, rejected during the time of the Mongol conquest and from that moment under the rule of foreigners, who purposefully implanted here another's faith, tradition and speech, nevertheless still retained to this day some echoes of the Russian consciousness and was never completely assimilated.



Once Russia already shared one Slavic state, Poland, with Prussia and Austria-Hungary. The result was the fierce hatred of the Poles for Russia, which dates back to the third century. At the same time, neither Prussia nor Austria-Hungary became our friends. But the Poles, though Slavs, are still alien to us, and now they are proposing to “divide” our vital lands. What for?

Perhaps, supporters of this idea believe that this gift will make Poland, Hungary and Romania our friends?

It can be said with full responsibility that this will not happen. Poland, as a result of the Second World War, which it lost in 1939 for two weeks, received huge territories belonging to Germany by the efforts of the USSR. But the love for us Poles, this generous and deserved gift, as we see, did not add.

If members of the EU and NATO take part in the “deriban” of Ukraine, there is no doubt that this circumstance does not legitimize in the eyes of the West the accession of the remaining territories to Russia. For him, we will still be aggressors and occupiers.

Quite often we hear that, say, the population of Western Ukraine is absolutely alien and hostile to us, that everyone there is residents of the lands of the former Galician-Volyn principality.

However, this, to put it mildly, is not quite so. Recall that even before the war, the OUN fighters, being under the secret control of the defintivas (Polish counterintelligence), committed their “athens” not so much against the Polish administration, as against the “Russophiles” and the Communists (not necessarily members of the Communist Party, but simply supporters of reunification with Soviet Ukraine), which among the "zapadentsev" was much more than the nationalists.



After the re-liberation of Western Ukraine from the Nazis and their local accomplices, the brunt of the fight against Bandera rested on the shoulders of local residents. Large-scale military operations against the UPA ended by the 1945 year, and the final destruction of the terrorist bandit underground was carried out by the territorial bodies of the MGB, the police and fighter units manned by local residents, the very “zapadentsy”. And now far from all the inhabitants of these areas are deceived by propaganda and are fans of Bandera and Shukhevych.

In addition, by encouraging the capture of the western part of Ukraine by NATO countries, we thereby agree that the bases of the North Atlantic Alliance, including the missile defense system, will move even closer to our borders. And in the context of the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty, this can have disastrous consequences for us.

And these our ancestral territories, once under the authority of these countries, may be lost for us for a long time, if not forever. They can be returned only as a result of a big war with huge casualties.

Finally, the assertion that the establishment of Polish-Hungarian-Romanian-Slovak sovereignty over the West of Ukraine will extinguish its aggressiveness does not stand up to criticism. Recall that during the occupation of Western Russia by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, aggression against Russia (then Muscovy) took place continuously, and not only the Uniates but also the Little Russians and the Dnieper Cossacks went to the east to the Polish troops.



The current aggression against the Donbass is not at all connected with the size of the land torn away from Russia, but with the actions of the Kiev junta, consisting of Western puppets, not connected with the Little Russian people, whether by ethnic, religious or cultural ties.

However, a number of domestic politicians and the media purposefully implant in our public consciousness a negative and outright hostile attitude towards the “Little Russians” in the spirit of “they have always been traitors”, “they are strangers to us” and so on, in the spirit of lines “we will never be brothers”. Suffice it to say that the central TV channels are seriously discussing the diversion of the Dnieper waters from Ukraine, which will inevitably lead to an environmental and humanitarian catastrophe in this country. And such ideas are supported by the audience!



Joseph Stalin once said: “Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain,” making it clear that the whole German people cannot be punished for complicity in the monstrous crimes of Nazism. That the period of Hitler’s reign is just a brief, albeit the most terrible episode in the thousand-year history of Germany. Note that this is said in relation to a country alien to us, which twice during the last forty years (at that time) was our enemy, who sought to destroy us as a people. And here they propose for the crime of the Poroshenko regime to give millions of Russian people to Polish-Romanian-Hungarian bondage!

So how to be? The answer is simple: it is necessary to look for an opportunity to return all the south-western Russian lands, called Ukraine today. The form in which this will be done - the entry into the federation on the rights of subjects, the creation of a confederation or a similarity of the Union State of Russia and Belarus - will depend on the situation.

Of course, the main question will be: where to find funds for this? It is obvious that it will not be possible to respond to it with the help of pension manipulations and the reduction of the social sphere that is already in a terminal state. But there are other sources of funds in the country for which the government “did not encroach”. Perhaps it is time to move to a mobilization economy and state capitalism.

In any case, the "consortium" for the dismemberment of Ukraine will cost more.


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  1. LSA57
    LSA57 13 November 2018 06: 20
    +11
    Large-scale military operations against the UPA were completed by 1945 and the final destruction of the terrorist bandit underground was carried out by the forces of the MGB territorial bodies, police and fighter squads,

    it’s not final. somewhere underworked
    any business must be brought to an end.
    especially there is no underground. climbed to the surface.
    1. Finches
      Finches 13 November 2018 06: 28
      +31
      Ukraine is an artificially created patchwork quilt, like the Austro-Hungarian monarchy - for some time it will still exist on the maps of Europe, but in the end it will be a blessing for everyone, including Ukrainians, to break up this misunderstanding!
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 13 November 2018 06: 35
        +21
        Quote: Finches
        but in the end, for everyone, including Ukrainians, the collapse of this misunderstanding will be a blessing!

        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 13 November 2018 12: 38
          +4
          And why did Bukovina and Podolia combine? And it is strange why they created this map of Novorossia and provided a lower status - of the Autonomous Okrug - in comparison with the federal states? As for the outlines of these hypothetical federal subjects, there are also questions. In general, done on the knee.
          1. Machito
            Machito 14 November 2018 11: 40
            0
            It is easy to divide Ukraine.
            The European Union does not want to accept Ukraine into its membership. Russia invited her to the EurAsEC. The US does not want to have 51 states.
            But the choice is not rich: except for Russia, only Russia.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 November 2018 09: 29
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Ukraine is artificially crafted quilt

        I completely agree: Nvorussia was FORCEDLY included in the so-called. "Ussr", AGAINST the will of its citizens, who, as part of the DKR and OR (1918), unambiguously expressed their desire to live within RUSSIA.
        But-forced ...

        All lands can not be returned, Lemons are right, neither strength, nor means, nor opportunities.
        It is necessary to return Novorossia (on the basis of a referendum), and the rest also be determined by referendum: Bukovina will unanimously go to Romania, and the rest will probably remain Ukraine.
        1. A.Lex
          A.Lex 13 November 2018 10: 29
          +20
          Olgovich (Andrey), when these lands were included in the former. The USSR leadership of Soviet Russia and did not suggest that the collapse of the socialist state would be possible! And then they would have thought a hundred times - whether it was worth making such gifts ... or maybe they would not have thought ...
          The problem is different! Everything that is happening here in Russia, is nothing but the ongoing robbery of national bowels, remnants of industry (even if something is being created, compared to the USSR it’s a drop in the bucket) and other values ​​created by our ancestors during the Union. And the robbery is continued by those who were once Komsomol activists and party nomenclature - i.e. those who had access to the distribution and documentary base of the state. Ordinary people were robbed once (when they devalued their savings in the very beginning of the 90s), then again (bringing the country to default), and now they continue to quietly drag the country into pieces - what remains ...
          All this I say to what - yes, everything is simple! There is NO JUSTICE for simple hard workers (at least rural, at least urban). And therefore, since there is no justice, then NO ONE wants to reunite with us! That's when, at the state level, they will work on RECREATING at least some kind of fair DOMESTIC policy (both the economy and the rules of hostel in the country), then the people from our former territories will reach us and, possibly, together with their territories.
          And until then - vain dreams!
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 13 November 2018 10: 51
            -4
            Quote: A.Lex
            then the people from our former territories will reach us and, possibly, together with their territories.

            Are you serious?
            but nothing that Russian from everywhere kicked out? they openly hate us. and these will reach us ??? while only migrant workers are drawn. It turns out we are better than them? Well then, why aren't they pulling their territory with them?
            storyteller you ...
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 13 November 2018 12: 37
              +5
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: A.Lex
              then the people from our former territories will reach us and, possibly, together with their territories.

              Are you serious?
              but nothing that Russian from everywhere kicked out? they openly hate us. and these will reach us ??? while only migrant workers are drawn. It turns out we are better than them? Well then, why aren't they pulling their territory with them?
              storyteller you ...

              Again you pulled the words from the song ... folded in their own way and it turned out some kind of nonsense
              .
              Quote: A.Lex
              That's when, at the state level, they will work on RECREATING at least some kind of fair DOMESTIC policy (both the economy and the rules of hostel in the country), then the people from our former territories will reach us and, possibly, together with their territories.
              And until then - vain dreams!

              Why are you dear LSA57 threw the main thing ??? It is clearly written that while we have such a mess, no one except Gaster will go here. Because we rob our own, and Gaster just grab, at their level, a piece of our pie.
              I meet your comments on all branches of the VO forum, with time stamps for almost the entire time of the day. And it becomes interesting to me ... You are one such intensely mistaken and constantly distorting messages of other forum users, and distortions occur only in one case if the user message text does not coincide with the official news.)) And what’s interesting if, after some time, parallel news comes out, but with a slightly different accent, then you immediately change shoes in the air)) Or are you there a whole team under one nickname and all your messages simply correspond to the circular?))))
          2. andj61
            andj61 13 November 2018 11: 23
            +2
            Quote: A.Lex
            when these lands are included in the former. The USSR leadership of Soviet Russia and did not suggest that the collapse of the socialist state would be possible! And then they would have thought a hundred times - whether it was worth making such gifts ... or maybe they would not have thought ...

            When these lands were included in the Ukrainian SSR in 1922, the thesis on the all-round acceleration of the world revolution was not yet removed from the agenda. And after the victory of the world revolution, according to the adherents of this revolution. the state structure of any countries and territories will not have any significance - there will be a global government, and a course will be taken to build communism on an all-planetary scale.
            Including these lands in the Ukrainian SSR, momentary tasks were solved, but it turned out that it would stretch for many decades ... hi
            1. renics
              renics 13 November 2018 13: 48
              +3
              Quote: andj61 (Andrey)
              “After the victory of the world revolution, according to the adherents of this revolution. there will be no form of government in any countries and territories - there will be a global government ”

              This is very similar to the ideology of liberal globalism offered to the world from the United States. And if you remember who then was the peddler of this idea, it becomes clear that the meaning and tasks of the fulfillment were taken by Leib Bronstein, who arrived on a ship from New York.
            2. Alexy
              Alexy 15 November 2018 04: 51
              0
              The Bolsheviks were obviously the first globalists.
              1. A.Lex
                A.Lex 18 November 2018 18: 51
                0
                Alexy, not all. And such as Leva Bronstein and his team. And they, as you know, are the stalniks of American capital ...... again the Yankees! ..
            3. A.Lex
              A.Lex 18 November 2018 18: 48
              0
              andj61 (Andrey), of course momentary - most of the Ukrainian territories were inhabited by peasants. So they decided to dilute them with factory workers, railway employees ... In general, "the most advanced (at that time) revolutionary class." It's kind of like a well-timed move now reverberates to us ... unfortunately. Although then - a smart and correct decision ... BUT WHO KNEW THAT ???
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 13 November 2018 12: 50
            +3
            Quote: A.Lex
            when these lands are included in the former. The USSR leadership of Soviet Russia and did not suggest that the collapse of the socialist state would be possible!

            I think that V.I. Lenin, creating socialist republics on the ruins of the Russian Empire, did not expect this
          4. Maverick1812
            Maverick1812 13 November 2018 14: 34
            +1
            I support until the last letter!
          5. NordUral
            NordUral 15 November 2018 21: 06
            +2
            And therefore, since there is no justice, then NO ONE wants to reunite with us! That is the main question of our being. I have been saying this for a long time. We, Russia, need a change. Otherwise, everything will end badly.
        2. nnz226
          nnz226 13 November 2018 10: 34
          +13
          Looking at foreign dill, you understand how right (criticized after death) I.V. Stalin, when he proposed making a greater Russia with national-cultural autonomies, and not the Union republics (according to Lenin). Then there would be no today's problems!
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 13 November 2018 12: 50
            +4
            Stalin did not propose national-cultural, but national-territorial autonomies on the model of the Turkestan ASSR and the Tatar ASSR. National-cultural and national-territorial autonomies are two big differences. Although their hybrid is possible on the model of the language communities of Belgium, which exist in parallel with the territorial regions and are not, in the full sense, extraterritorial cultural autonomies. They are assigned specific territories in which these communities have authority in the fields of culture, education, and sports. There is no need to idealize Stalin. With his participation as a drug commissar, many autonomies of the RSFSR, as well as independent Soviet republics (before they became union republics of the USSR), included territories with a predominant Russian population. The same giant Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (present-day Kazakhstan) with a number of Russian counties and cities was created with his participation.
          2. atos_kin
            atos_kin 13 November 2018 13: 02
            0
            Quote: nnz226
            Then there would be no today's problems!

            Russia will always have problems as long as capitalism exists. And Ukraine with the Bandera in Kiev and the "Vlasov" in the Kremlin shines the fate of Yugoslavia.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 13 November 2018 12: 51
        0
        Quote: Finches
        including for Ukrainians, the collapse of this misunderstanding will be a blessing!

        The collapse and withdrawal of the territories of the Russian Empire, back to Russia. That is, the eastern part, central to the borders of Western Ukraine.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 14 November 2018 09: 26
          +1
          Part of Western Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire.
    2. Vend
      Vend 13 November 2018 09: 53
      +2
      Poland intensified. It was expected.
    3. credo
      credo 13 November 2018 10: 48
      +5
      Quote: LSA57
      it’s not final. somewhere underworked
      any business must be brought to an end.
      especially there is no underground. climbed to the surface.

      More likely than not, but Khrushchev, either out of meekness or in spite of the ashes of Stalin and tens of thousands of ruined civilians and soldiers at the hands of the UPA-UNSO, released them from prison. Unfortunately, for us, the infection has grown again.
      1. rhino
        rhino 13 November 2018 20: 39
        -2
        UPA-UNSO, how is it ???
    4. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 13 November 2018 10: 57
      +4
      The author does not know the story. Gangs of Bandera destroyed until the 50s. The animal commanders were eliminated, and young privates were transferred to camps on Kolyma. But at the end of the 50s Khrushchev reduced the terms of imprisonment for many, some were even allowed to return, but some remained in Kolyma in the settlement regime under administrative supervision, which was removed already in the 70s. For 20-25 years, many in the Kolyma adapted, started families there and settled in full right. But those who returned, as we see, again became Nazis and Russophobes, again infect the people of their land with hatred, ask for a new denazification. You can’t forgive their crimes!
    5. Detective
      Detective 13 November 2018 15: 16
      +3
      I did not put a plus on the article. If you do not delve into a historical excursion, I will simply say that the author's words about the disastrous consequences of our partition of Poland look extremely unconvincing. The Poles, I'll tell you, are still underdivided, although they fully deserve it! Those who were in Lviv could feel the anti-Russianness of this city just floating in the air! The fact that large-scale military operations against Bandera ended in 1945, the author is also fundamentally wrong! From 1945 to 1955, 25 Soviet servicemen, state security personnel, border guards and police were killed. More than 000 Soviet party activists. Reading the article, one might think that the Kiev junta is some kind of aliens - monsters who suddenly seized Ukraine with the help of a few associates who descended earlier. However, here we see thousands of torchlight processions, militants of the Ukroverrmacht from all over the territory of this country, and not only from the western regions in the Donbass, full of hatred for Russians and Russia, we see zigging and galloping schoolchildren promising to hang Russians, too, but we also see the "occupied" side and most importantly we do not see any actions against all this Nazi Sabbath from words at all and never! So who was occupied then ?! Whom are we going to release, I don’t understand ?! And you noticed that even among the pro-Russian Ukrainians, there is a slogan - Russia do us well! There is no talk of joining Russia with the exception of Donbass! We must face the truth. This Ukrainian government has sufficient support among the population. If the economy was also better, then we and in the Donbass would have much more problems than now!
    6. Cynic
      Cynic 13 November 2018 15: 58
      0
      In the 45th? That the troops, most likely, but the last caches seemed to be destroyed in the 60s ...
    7. Normal ok
      Normal ok 14 November 2018 20: 19
      0
      Dzherelivsky in his repertoire: shares the skin of an unkilled bear.
    8. Setrac
      Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 14
      0
      Quote: LSA57
      it’s not final. somewhere underworked

      In Ukraine, everything has been finalized.
      Quote: LSA57
      climbed to the surface.

      They climbed out after the amnesty of 1953.
    9. mac789
      mac789 15 November 2018 15: 16
      0
      And it looks like "bringing the matter to the end" is the only way to date. The cleansing of the most controversial figures will be the most effective tool in solving the Ukrainian problem.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 13 November 2018 06: 50
    +7
    The answer is simple: it is necessary to look for the opportunity to return all the southwestern Russian lands, today called Ukraine. In what form this will be done — joining the federation as subjects, creating a confederation or the likeness of the Union State of Russia and Belarus — will depend on the situation.
    ... We will offer the Little Russians to change their oligarchs to Russian .... or even easier, we will buy local oligarchs, so that they change their power and jump, with an armpit country, to Russia ... The United States, to change power in Ukraine, it took 5 lards ... green ...
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 13 November 2018 08: 12
      +12
      Quote: Boris Dzhereliyevsky
      during the occupation of western Russia by the Commonwealth, aggression against Russia (then the Moscow State) took place continuously
      What kind of "Moscow State"? The author, since he is in captivity of the Jesuit perversion of Russian history, would write immediately - Muscovy. Let me remind you that immediately after separation from the Great Horde, Ivan III took the title "prince All Russia "(the title is much longer). Vasily III had the same title. Ivan IV added to the title - tsar. Our state was called - Russia. Not as the Jesuits write, and" people who hawk "their propaganda and zombie formulas.
      By the way, the change of the name of the state Russia to Russia took place under the first Romanovs during the Jesuit dominance in Russia. In my opinion, then the Jesuits conducted a successful special operation against the historical memory of millennial Russia. The Romanov boyars were not an ancient family; they themselves arrived in Russia from the West. Read more: N.I.Kostomarov "How long has Little Russia started to be written to Little Russia, and Russia by Russia" - az.lib.ru/k/kostomarow_n_i/text_1863_davno_li.shtml
      Quote: Boris Dzhereliyevsky
      on central television channels seriously discuss the diversion of the Dnieper from Ukraine, which will inevitably lead to environmental and humanitarian disaster in this country. And such ideas find support from the audience!
      Understand. I feel sorry for the Ukrainian. But there will be no environmental and, especially, humanitarian disaster. There will not be anything that happened in Crimea when Ukraine fully blocked access to the Dnieper water. The Dnieper will have all the other tributaries, except the Desna. The Dnieper will become shallow slightly, Ukraine will suffer economic losses. Only. But they will receive the economic development of the land of the Bryansk region, the Oryol region, Kaluga, Tula and Ryazan regions. This is closer than concern for the prosperity of Bandera-fascist Ukraine. In my opinion, a dam and a canal should be built.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 13 November 2018 09: 44
        0
        Which dam and which channel, where and where specifically?
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 13 November 2018 09: 55
          +2
          “Since the Volzhsky and Dnieper drainage basins between Bryansk and Oryol are separated by the narrowest and lowest watershed, there are several approximately equivalent options for transferring the Desna to Oka waters.” In this case, the following is proposed as one of the options for the routes: “The channel of the channel is based on the channel of the Nerussa River, which flows into the Desna near Trubchevsk. Downstream the Desna from the place where Nerussa flows into it, it is necessary to build a dam, draw a canal along the channel of the Nerussa river to its source (Obrateevo), then to the source of the Kroma river (Zhikharevo), further along the Kroma channel (tributary of the Oka River) to the Oka River. ” Another option is also possible: "On the Nerussa River and its tributary east of Bychka, then cross the watershed (about 5 km) to the tributary of the Kroma River, then along this tributary and the Kroma River to the Oka."
          What will it cost? Of course, accurate calculations are needed, but it seems that in any case, the amount will be an order of magnitude less than what was invested in the Crimea’s water supply in 2014–2018 and the construction of the Crimean bridge. But for Kiev, the consequences of river turning will be simply disastrous. Politically and economically, of course.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 13 November 2018 13: 06
            +2
            And as with ecology, with hydrography, in the thirties, and even later, a lot of things have happened to rivers, we still cannot understand what, why, and why.
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 13 November 2018 13: 35
              +1
              With ecology it will be wonderful. More water - more fish, more birds, more animals. The banks of local rivers are high, floodplains are wide. Example: Ugra, which many moved along the highway. The thing is that in past centuries these rivers were much more full, even in the 4990th-10th centuries the Varangians and Russians sailed on ships from the Desna to the Oka without a drag. The right tributary of the Seym Svala River (catchment area of ​​15 sq. Km) and the Ochka River flowed from one lake at that time. A point in XNUMX-XNUMX km flowed into the Oka. By the beginning of the XNUMXth century, almost everything had dried up. Water shortage ceased. The dam on the Desna will provide the missing water. Water will flow by gravity along the canal (along Nerussa) as in the old days with the past ecology. Even hydraulic structures like locks are not needed. One height difference from the dam is enough.
              You just need to look at the built in the floodplains. Something to remove. In flood plains and should not have been allowed to build.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 13 November 2018 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      We offer Little Russians, to change their oligarchs to Russian ..

      not a ride, what's the difference between them?
      Quote: parusnik
      buy local oligarchs, so that they change power

      already bought, but they were outbid
      Quote: parusnik
      The USA, for a change of power in Ukraine, it took 5 lards ... green ...

      Russia also gave 5 billion, and where are they?
      1. rhino
        rhino 13 November 2018 20: 44
        -4
        Ask Yanukovych where 5 yards.
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 13 November 2018 13: 29
      +1
      parusnik (Alexey Bogomazov) Today, 06: 50
      ... We will offer the Little Russians to change their oligarchs to Russian .... or even easier, we will buy local oligarchs, so that they change their power and jump, with an armpit country, to Russia ...

      This is what our government tried to do after the "Maidan", recognizing the Poroshenko regime.
      And it would have worked if the "invested" money remained in Ukraine, and not "hidden in the West."
      They did not take into account that in modern conditions, the "tune" is ordered not by the one who pays, but by the one who controls the place of storage of "paid".
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 13 November 2018 07: 01
    +10
    Why would we bazaar with someone? Ukraine is OUR! If not in the composition, they will be good neighbors .... all the bloody, dirty foam will blow in the end! Just do not wait for the sea weather, you need to take the right action.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 November 2018 09: 43
      +1
      From the age of 45, it can’t take it down, it’s in the blood of banderlogs and what do you propose to do with it?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 November 2018 09: 56
        +2
        Quote: Ros 56
        banderlog is in the blood

        There is such a thing! Only Grandfather told me that many people there simply want to live peacefully, most .... now is such a time, the sea is raging, all the foam at the top gets off and strives for the shore, in general, for the peaceful shore.
        There were booms, barriers, there was no particular harm from this foam, and our Grandfathers drove it away, almost completely, at that moment!
        This last deb-bb, labeled and alkanaftys, gave the barriers to be destroyed ..... we will hiccup for a long time to come.
        1. Fayter
          Fayter 14 November 2018 22: 56
          +2
          My grandfather was from the Vinnitsa region, was called up after the war, served for a year in western Ukraine, commissated for the wound, he was with a friend of two out of 150 people, Bandera were undercut at night ...
          And still western Ukraine begins from the border of 1939. these are Rivne, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv regions, there is nothing to include central Ukraine in the banderlog.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 November 2018 07: 16
            0
            Quote: Fayter
            there is nothing to include central Ukraine in banderlog.

            They say that you are who you feel! I’ll add that you’re the one you do!
            Between neighbors, friends, brothers, there are disagreements! And faces can rule! Most often, it is forgotten, as everything is temporary!
            There is something else that cannot be forgotten or forgiven ... how to forgive someone who at night, how a thief sneaks into the canopy towards you, and even with an ax, and even with the aim of harming you, your loved ones !!!
            Our grandfathers didn’t fight for that, some Schaub from among the hillock quarreled relatives and friends, once and for all!
            We will live brothers, as relatives, good neighbors .... nasty foam will subside!
    2. Katyusha
      Katyusha 13 November 2018 09: 44
      +9
      Ukraine is the number 2 Poles.
      will be good neighbors .... all the bloody, dirty foam will blow in the end!
      ... Have Poles gotten away with something over the centuries? Only became angrier. There was no need to take Galitsaev after the war - their evil Ragul's infection was spread to the whole of Little Russia.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 November 2018 10: 00
        +3
        Quote: Katiusha
        Galitsaev didn’t have to be taken after the war - they spread their evil Ragul infection to all of Little Russia

        There is such a thing, the territory is not weakly infected .... so it is necessary to carry out a radical, high-quality disinfection next time! everything is in our ... not top politicians' hands, sho is not very encouraging. I hope so far.
        1. Katyusha
          Katyusha 13 November 2018 10: 40
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Katiusha
          Galitsaev didn’t have to be taken after the war - they spread their evil Ragul infection to all of Little Russia

          There is such a thing, the territory is not weakly infected .... so it is necessary to carry out a radical, high-quality disinfection next time! everything is in our ... not top politicians' hands, sho is not very encouraging. I hope so far.

          And I no longer hope. All Western Slavs were "latinized" in this way. Now it’s hard to believe that the same Czechs had their original writing in verb. "Anacondas" play beautifully, for a long time. They swallow slowly and digest slowly - for centuries. Now they will still be polished with Thomas - and there will be another fierce hatred at the side of Russia. It is better then several small ones than one large one. And it's easier to pay off IMF debts)) lol
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 November 2018 10: 56
            +1
            Grandfather of these new inhabitants of the USSR just before the Second World War and saw a lot. Then and after the war .... he said that they are different. Of the Slavs, it is impossible to finally knock out the Russian spirit. I think \ hope and now it will be the same. Now it’s just not to miss the time, then it will be harder.
            Therefore, I recall in different words our top politicians .... the tribe is necessary but necessary, most importantly Schaub they worked for us, and not we for them!
            Dreams Dreams!
            1. Katyusha
              Katyusha 13 November 2018 11: 34
              +3
              Of the Slavs, it is impossible to finally knock out the Russian spirit. I think \ hope and now it will be the same. Now it’s just not to miss the time, then it will be harder.

              If it does, it’s something vague, in the form of a desire to butt and resist - but outside of all-Slavic unity, this is all a trifle, it cannot be compared with the forced anti-Russian hatred. The Czechs still butt sometimes, there are no Prussians left at all - they became Germanized in the 18th century. Lithuanians and Poles have become Natsiks. Bulgarians say "brothers" in the face, but spit behind their backs. Slovaks also feel more or less Slavic themselves, and Serbs. The anaconda has successfully digested all the rest.
              We are kind to "strangers" and too evil to ourselves, unfortunately. But it should be the other way around.
          2. Roman kerimov
            Roman kerimov 13 November 2018 12: 44
            0
            Quote: Katiusha
            All Western Slavs were "latinized" in this way. Now it’s hard to believe that the same Czechs had their original writing in verb.

            And it’s right that I can’t believe it, because the Czechs initially had Latin, as did the Poles, for example.
            1. Katyusha
              Katyusha 14 November 2018 10: 41
              0
              Quote: Roman Kerimov
              Quote: Katiusha
              All Western Slavs were "latinized" in this way. Now it’s hard to believe that the same Czechs had their original writing in verb.

              And it’s right that I can’t believe it, because the Czechs initially had Latin, as did the Poles, for example.

              "In the 11th century, when the Old Slavonic language was supplanted by Latin, the Sazava Monastery, closed in 1097, became the center of Glagolic writing in Bohemia. The Czechs still treat the Glagolitic alphabet with reverence: it is enough to recall the attempts to revive this letter in the 14th century. IV of Luxembourg ". http://www.rbardalzo.narod.ru/4/glag.html
              On the monument to Jan Hus in Prague, the inscription "Love people" in Old Church Slavonic. “After three hundred years of oblivion, in the middle of the XNUMXth century, the Czechs heard divine services in the Slavic language from the lips of Croatian monks, and later from the Czechs who joined the brethren. Thanks to the labors of this Slavic monastery, Jan Hus also got acquainted with the Slavic alphabet and Church Slavonic language. " http://aquaviva.ru/journal/yan-gus-pravoslavnyy-katolik-protestant
              Poland. "In 966 the Polish king Meshko (Mieczyslaw) I was baptized, according to legend, according to the Orthodox rite. Poland became a Christian country. It is significant that his son Boleslav the Brave minted coins with inscriptions in the Cyrillic alphabet. In Moravia, among the Orthodox since the time of St. Cyril and Methodius was dominated by Glagolitic. "
    3. rhino
      rhino 13 November 2018 20: 44
      -3
      Blessed is he who believes ...
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 13 November 2018 22: 07
      +6
      Independent Ukraine in any state will be our enemy. The author is right. There can only be one good outcome — the disappearance of this hostile state, and the return of Russian lands to the Russian state. Everything else is half measures. Even if Ukraine becomes a tiny state such as Moldova, then in any case it will make an alliance with any of our enemies. All this we went through with Pansky Poland. And this despite the fact that the Poles, unlike the population of Ukraine, are not Russian. But they will always be with any of our enemies and always against us. Now they are persuading Trump to build a base in Poland. Leaving the US scene, they will find a new ally and patron against us. If Ukraine has maturation, it will also be with it. Now Ukraine is diligently cutting blood with everything that can connect it with us. We will not do something within one or two generations and our enemy will not be more constant. Why do we need this? Carthage must be destroyed. angry
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2018 06: 55
        +1
        Dill / Square belay , it's a disease. Our brother / sister. Some organs / members of it are infected / sick incurably .... only radical treatment. And some part of it can be cured with an elementary but kind slap on the head. It takes time and a very, very thorough, professional "treatment"! The body can be saved!
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 14 November 2018 07: 19
          +1
          This is not a brother or sister - it is part of us. This is our hand is ill. We can cut it off, but we won’t become healthier from this. And if you consider that there are people who are trying to infect us, then nothing will stop them from doing the next time in Siberia or Karelia. Or maybe in the Caucasus or even in St. Petersburg. request It’s better to fight there than here. Otherwise, they will shred us pieces and with the loss of each we will weaken. request
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 November 2018 08: 28
            0
            Our part, brother / sister, does not matter, although it is now difficult to accept one or the other ... it is necessary to treat, everywhere and always, more thoroughly.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 November 2018 07: 04
    +11
    In any case, we have hatred of Russia, which is diligently cultivated in all limitrophies, including Ruin. And in any case, in addition to a forceful solution to the issue of the physical elimination of nationalism (and even that will remain underground), we will have anti-Russian centers near us, there will be a used food region or former donors will share it.
    Over the years of independence, and especially over the past 4 years, so many animals have been bred and raised that at least two generations are needed to level these ghouls.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 13 November 2018 09: 26
      +3
      Not smart people are in abundance in Russia too .. All kinds of Kolya from Urengoy and similar creatures .. And what are the truths given out by some officials!? When I was in the army, they told the commander - "it's not a subordinate that's bad! You can't educate!"
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 13 November 2018 09: 28
      +5
      Quote: inkass_98
      Over the years of independence, and especially over the past 4 years, so many animals have been bred and raised that at least two generations are needed to level these ghouls.

      just on the 1st channel in the program "Good morning" they showed a camp for teenagers. there are those that are less than AK.
      militarized camp. It's a long story. just one moment. not verbatim, but very close to the text. Instructor Former Nabat Fighter.
      "Weapons cannot be directed at people. Separas, mo.skali, ....., you can use them. These are not people. They must be killed."
      The most interesting thing is that this story was filmed by Western journalists. did the "kittens" have their eyes cut?
      1. Katyusha
        Katyusha 13 November 2018 10: 45
        0
        Auropeans woke up. Already on Euronews this video is now being played, I watched it this morning. https://ru.euronews.com/video/2018/11/12/ukraine-youth-camps
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 14 November 2018 01: 27
          +1
          They didn't wake up. This story is not in the English version of the site. There, the whole plot is like a selection, very calm and politically correct. Everything is fine for English-speaking viewers, and even news from Crimea is tagged "Ukraine".
          The French version of the site, by the way, is somewhat more "harsh".
          1. Katyusha
            Katyusha 14 November 2018 10: 15
            +2
            Well actually yes. From personal Euro-communications, the USA and Russia are hated there. 50 x 50 - Jews. To the Ukrainians - with warmth and sympathy in the eastern wing and already wrinkling their nose - in the Euro-west.
            It is necessary to configure the English version. On the BBC and CNN, there is no Ukrainian theme from the word at all. For several years now. Unfortunately, I don’t speak French - but the live broadcast of the 100th anniversary of the end of the WWI shocked)). Macron - well, straight clean Napoleon))). Eagle)). Holy honor - the last memories of the shadow of his greatness.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 November 2018 09: 58
      +7
      Ghouls to level, in two generations, yes you laugh, to master the north if there is no brain, there is work, not for one generation. And to work with children "day and night". And it is natural to neutralize the most stubborn. The most important problem we have, in my opinion, is incompetence, irresponsibility and impunity, such scum of any kind is sitting and haunted over people. And these eccentrics, we will not specify which letter, from the Duma and the government were punished for their tricks, for wrong decisions, for unfulfilled work, for example, for the same fish, for the Chinese cutting down the forest and much more for that.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 13 November 2018 11: 07
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        master the north

        What, all this zigzag and singing zigzag herd to the north send? Yes, the watchmen are not enough to guard them.
        Moreover, this experiment has already been carried out once, and humanism has prevailed over reason, and evil spawned again.
        And with children it’s not so simple, with their own to cope, and not to transfer attention to the ruins. What is being done in the field of education and upbringing, I know that my wife works at school.
        And as a state in general and local departments of education, I also see schools directly, especially in terms of my wife’s workload and salary.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 14 November 2018 01: 41
          +1
          Quote: inkass_98
          What, all this zigzag and singing zigzag herd to the north send? Yes, the watchmen are not enough to guard them.

          To the New Land, military facilities and roads to build. There is no need to guard at all. After fulfilling the plan, bring a container with grub and coal for heating. The faster the road section is built, the faster the new solder will be received. And there’s nowhere to escape.

          P.S. read Harry Harrison's story "The End Station". Here, something like that.

          Here is an audiobook performed by "Models for Assembly":
          http://mds-fm.ru/story/garri_garrison_konechnaya_stanciya
          1. Cottager452
            Cottager452 14 November 2018 13: 12
            0
            That is, concentration camps for a single nation?! This is direct fascism and genocide, appeals to which are the subject of the Criminal Code, and not the forum.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 14 November 2018 18: 32
              +2
              What does the nation have to do with it? Exclusively for criminals, like that instructor in the children's camp - "Muscovites and separatists are not people, they can and should be killed." It will even be noble - to isolate from the surrounding "non-people" in a society of similar giants of thought. Let whatever ideologies you want to promote, complete freedom. The oasis is simple. It's a pity that we can't offer an island in the tropics, there are tourists.
              So there is no smell of genocide. I would send some citizens of the Russian Federation there.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 13 November 2018 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        level wheatgrass, for two generations, yes you laugh

        Ukrainians, who have now not only become products of this “Ukrainian world”, but Ukrainians, who in a few years will themselves begin to reproduce - moreover, quite sincerely - this same “cultural world”.
        A new generation is growing up on hatred of the Russians, which you no longer level
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 13 November 2018 13: 12
          +1
          For four years now, they have thrown the dog under the tail, we’ll chew on the snot further, it will be your way. True, looking at Germany, it seems like it is possible to carry out denazification, but on the other hand, Ukrainians are far from Germans. They do not understand what order and discipline are. They look like us.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 13 November 2018 18: 52
            0
            Quote: Ros 56
            like you can denazify

            tell - how? I don’t see the possibility
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 13 November 2018 19: 19
              0
              This question is not for me, please contact the Germans. They know and remember or to our special services, I am not one of them. No, if you offer cardinal methods, I do not mind, but what will the West say. Come on, we won’t tell them, they won’t even recognize.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 13 November 2018 19: 22
                +1
                Quote: Ros 56
                This question is not for me, please contact the Germans.

                so it is about Ukraine. If we entrust this to the Germans, it’s certainly a trumpet
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 13 November 2018 19: 23
                  0
                  Read correctly, I said to the Germans, in the sense of advice.
      3. rhino
        rhino 13 November 2018 20: 48
        -1
        Dream.
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 November 2018 07: 25
    +1
    Shish to them and not to THE EDGE ... DO NOT GET THIS ONE OUR LANDS!
  6. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 13 November 2018 07: 53
    +5
    Ukraine needs to be returned to the borders of the late 17th century, namely to those in which it became part of Russia; it has no right to other territories.
  7. sla1372
    sla1372 13 November 2018 08: 01
    +3
    Quote: inkass_98
    Over the years of independence, and especially over the past 4 years, so many animals have been bred and raised that at least two generations are needed to level these ghouls

    this is exactly the case and this is the biggest problem and it is not clear how to solve it
  8. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 13 November 2018 08: 28
    +3
    It is high time to erase this misunderstanding called "Ukraine" from the map
    (although he himself, unfortunately, was born and live here)
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 November 2018 13: 03
      0
      Quote: cruel beaver
      It is high time to erase this misunderstanding called "Ukraine" from the map
      (although he himself, unfortunately, was born and live here)

      In principle, the Americans have long foreseen the territorial losses of Urkaina in the event of the implementation of a project to turn it into a ram of Russia. Even before the Maidan, mattresses were spinning a film in which such a map of Urkaina was shown -
      Apparently, such a change in the administrative-territorial boundaries of Urkaina (in a beige background) is laid down by the Americans as "collateral losses" or "acceptable damage", but what is in the white background, they probably want to leave in their zone of influence. I don't think this is a coincidence ...
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    3. rhino
      rhino 13 November 2018 20: 53
      -3
      I've always been surprised by people like you. Born in Ukraine, raised, lives and fiercely hates her. How can this be ???
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 33
        +2
        Quote: Nashorn
        Born in Ukraine

        The phrase "was born in Ukraine" sounds like a curse. And this (by the way) is prohibited by the rules of the site.
      2. Fayter
        Fayter 16 November 2018 12: 08
        0
        Maybe I confirm it myself from Kiev.
        Just do not hate Ukraine as a country, Zluka Beaver, did not say about it.
        The usual statement of fact for 27 years in Ukraine has only formed a robbery regime for its people, by all who come to power, the system has worked out the algorithm over the years of independence. Therefore, a simple person begins to hate this power.
        Understanding this comes with age, when you see that for many years nothing has changed.
  9. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 13 November 2018 08: 28
    0
    Something does not inspire confidence in me, none of the listed organizations. Turbulent water and balamut people
  10. Jerk
    Jerk 13 November 2018 08: 34
    +3
    This is not the point. Default Ukoaina is inevitable, and the IMF - not the Russian Federation, will have to give. But as? So, like Argentina - lands and eternal bondage. There are no options whoever runs away will be lucky
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 13 November 2018 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Jerk
      This is not the point. Default Ucoain is inevitable

      Formally, the default was recorded on September 23, 2015.
      The decision of the giants of the global financial business was an instant reaction to the government decree No. 22-p signed by Yatsenyuk on September 978, which introduced a moratorium on the upcoming payment of $ 23 million in Eurobonds on September 500.
      So what came of this? Nothing
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 13 November 2018 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Jerk
        This is not the point. Default Ucoain is inevitable

        Formally, the default was recorded on September 23, 2015.
        The decision of the giants of the global financial business was an instant reaction to the government decree No. 22-p signed by Yatsenyuk on September 978, which introduced a moratorium on the upcoming payment of $ 23 million in Eurobonds on September 500.
        So what came of this? Nothing
        This led to the restructuring of Ukrainian debt in terms of repayment terms, starting in 2018 and over the next 5 years. Only now the ukrovs did not have babos, and they still do not, and therefore the default is still coming. Something suggests that creditors will no longer agree to a new restructuring and will beat the junta with a large and heavy candelabrum, maybe to death, in order to take the property of the "deceased" into account of the debt.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 13 November 2018 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          and therefore default is still coming. Something suggests that lenders will no longer go for a new restructuring

          who knows. l think they’ll take kind
  11. igorra
    igorra 13 November 2018 08: 39
    +1
    Why take on collateral? One way is to separate Ukraine into a separate region of Russia, to give strong power, but with a loss of citizenship for people (who will be responsible for all lawlessness? Russians?), The absence of any taxes (must be considered) and let them restore their native nenka, at least 100 years. Who does not like: a suitcase, a station, Vancouver. Little Russia is RUSSIAN land, and not people with one pigtail with the crown, and especially not those who have two pigtails in their temples.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 November 2018 13: 49
      0
      In short, you propose to do what the Ukrainian Natsiks dream of doing with the residents of Crimea and Donbass.
      1. rhino
        rhino 13 November 2018 20: 57
        -5
        And what do they dream to do ??? As far as I remember, the Armed Forces of Ukraine liberated 2/3 of the territories that were originally captured by the "militia". And nothing happened to any person.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: Nashorn
          And nothing happened to any person.

          A lot of bad things happened to thousands of people.
  12. akudr48
    akudr48 13 November 2018 08: 41
    +1
    The author substantiated that gangrene is good for health ...
  13. 96423 lom
    96423 lom 13 November 2018 08: 46
    +4
    “Wherever the Russian flag is hoisted, it should not be lowered there,” said Emperor Nikolai Pavlovich.
    1. rhino
      rhino 13 November 2018 20: 57
      -4
      He joked.
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 November 2018 09: 11
    +3
    Kharkov and Odessa - Russian, Lviv - Polish, Transcarpathia - Hungarian, Bukovina - Romanian!

    It will turn out that way by itself. But the one who will talk about it and call for this will be branded a shame.
  15. wooja
    wooja 13 November 2018 09: 32
    +2
    Historically, the population of Ukraine has always been looking for someone to lean against, medieval Chechnya, only in the steppe, the Poles did not like these outskirts --- rabble ... but they paid for protection from the Crimean Tatars ..., Russia should slowly squeeze its .... to the maximum, but who wants to be Ukrainian let it be
    1. Fayter
      Fayter 16 November 2018 12: 17
      0
      Historically, our land, the geographical center of Europe and the crossroads of trade routes, have been trampled upon by all, and therefore our women are the most beautiful)))
      And thanks to Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the Russian people, who at the most difficult moment, saved Ukraine from bondage, because they themselves could not resist all the invaders.
      1. wooja
        wooja 16 November 2018 12: 20
        0
        Bogdan was smarter than it is customary to talk about him ..., and then there were more Russianness
  16. Xazarin
    Xazarin 13 November 2018 09: 40
    -4
    A big minus of the article, the author forgot such primordially Russian lands as Finland, Alaska, California, Turkestan, Constantinople, also ours and even in Scotland there were Russians, so that is also ours. Do not forget India, there are also our arias. I almost forgot about Italy, that is, Et-Russia. What about Egypt? There were pharaohs Slavs. And so there are maps of Tartaria where in general everything is ours !!!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 13 November 2018 10: 17
      +1
      You small nations should not be jealous of great powers and empires.
      Big uncles butt for world domination. Someone will survive and win, while someone will not. You just have to join one side or another.
      It now seems to you that it is more profitable to join the USA, this will give you a chance to survive.
      But in fact, no one knows who will win, and you will die anyway.
      1. Xazarin
        Xazarin 13 November 2018 10: 34
        0
        And what kind of people did you identify me with?) And then we are the “savages”, when we get to the batons we will have a great advantage.
  17. BAI
    BAI 13 November 2018 10: 09
    +3
    George Soros. “The Russian Federation will not be able to leave the Ukrainians to starve to death and freeze to death in the ruins. However, Europe will still benefit even if only a huge ashes are left from Ukraine, littered with a mountain of stinking corpses ”

    It is this policy that the West is pursuing. At the same time, one must clearly understand that if the Russian Federation takes something from Ukraine, some (or all) of the Ukrainian debts will be borne on it. And we will pay fraternally.
  18. Avior
    Avior 13 November 2018 10: 09
    0
    which year in a row to read the nonsense that Ukraine is about to either fall apart, or freeze, already tired.
    It’s time to change the record, or something.
    It seems that the majority of people’s perceptions of Ukraine like the Americans in the Cold War about the USSR are bears with balalaikas in the streets and so on.
    It’s as if it’s not the 21st century in the yard with its Internet, but Russian to them Ukrainian is not related languages.
    TV revised, or something. What is written in the head by the TV, you can’t cut it down with an ax?
    Aw, isn't it time to get back to reality?
    There are no prerequisites for the collapse, freezing, starvation and other things in Ukraine, and even more so in the South-East.
    Salaries are constantly and steadily growing, the hryvnia exchange rate has been quite stable since the beginning of 2016, about 26,5 plus or minus 5 percent, the average salary during this time has doubled, the minimum is almost two and a half.

    The highest paid region after Kiev is Donetsk Oblast (that’s how their Bandera persecuted and oppressed, compare with the average salary of 4-6 ty in LDNR, you will understand where the Bandera oppressors settled laughing ), in the South East, salaries are also close to average and quite comparable with salaries in the Russian regions, despite the fact that the cost of living in Ukraine is much cheaper.

    https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/
    Why is it falling apart? The standard of living of the population is quite comparable with many Russian regions.
    Yes, Poroshenko is most dissatisfied, they believe that a double salary increase in two and a half years is small, salaries should be much higher and there are reserves for this in the form of the fight against corruption, which is true, by the way.
    The fact that after receiving visa-free travel, many rushed to earn money in Europe and this led to an increase in salaries, that is, that is. They haven’t been going to work in Russia for a long time, except for those who left ten years ago; in Europe, making money is much more profitable and not much more difficult than in Russia.
    It seems that Ukraine is nearby, and there is no big language problem, and the Internet is not banned, but it seems that there is a gap between the countries sad
    Someone really wants the Russians and Ukrainians to know as little as possible about each other, and he succeeds. negative
    Well, the greatest savagery is this whole situation between Russia and Ukraine. This simply should not be in principle!
    It’s sad to see some discussing this conflict, as if it’s a war between Verkhnyaya Volta and Burkina Faso in the depths of Africa, and not Russians and Ukrainians, and both of them on both sides of the conflict, are killing each other for the joy of sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2018 10: 35
      +1
      We are waiting for new reports from Ukraine about the assault by the local population - another boiler room and the shooting of another store from grenade launchers.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 November 2018 10: 55
        -1
        if you wait for this, you can always wait. At least from Ukraine, albeit from Russia.
        And if you take an interest in reality, then in two accounts you can find out that two state organizations provided heat in the city - one of them gave heat for half a city, and one due to the sluggishness of officials and a cold snap delayed the supply for several days, for which it received.
        Well, if you make the installation and cut out everything superfluous, then here it is, what has been waiting for years! Ukrainians finally froze!
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 13 November 2018 11: 08
      +4
      Avior, that is, in your opinion, everything is "just hurt" ?! There is nothing to be done, nothing to discuss, nothing to condemn. You are on the right path, brothers-Ukrainians! - So what? Yes, we would be dumbfounded, like Ukraine is panning there, if they did not lie under the enemy of our state - under the States, if they did not drag American bases with missiles to them, if they did not ban the Russian language, if they did not proclaim "waging war with Russia ". The theft of gas to the Ukrainian "elite" was forgiven for decades, if only it did not go bad completely. No, it didn't help. Today, a new Anti-Russia is riveted from Ukraine, like in Poland of the 15-16th century, like in Germany in the 30s .. It's easy to guess why. For cannon fodder during Drang Nach Osten. The current Kiev authorities are declaring in your eyes "Ukraine is against Russia. America is our friend. (Or rather, the master). War of Russia!" What else does it take to stop covering up that stench with the white sheet "it's okay"? Hit with a brick on the head? - God forbid that the Ukrainians would live well, so that they have their own worthy government, which would not think about how to sell for "greenery" - to crap Russia, and spread rot on the Russians (it’s the turn of the rest of them, Nazism has no brakes).
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 November 2018 09: 54
        -3
        and what have you been waiting for if the slogan from the pages does not come off for four years "Beat the Ukrainians, save Russia!" What kind of reaction?
        If nothing changes, then the situation goes to US bases near Kharkov.
        Actually, they are already being created by an explicit procedure in Georgia and Ukraine.
        They shouted that they took Crimea, since the States were going to build a base there? So they are now building it in Ochakovo. It's only the beginning
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 42
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          If nothing changes, then the situation goes to US bases near Kharkov.

          Will Russia let them go there? And Russia, too, wanted to sell Crimea to the Americans?
          Quote: Avior
          So they are now building it in Ochakovo. It's only the beginning

          Will wait. As in Syria, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. I remember very well how ten years ago they said that this is impossible in Ukraine - it turned out to be possible!
          1. Avior
            Avior 15 November 2018 22: 47
            0
            and who will ask?
            back in 2008, I argued with my brother about whether it is possible for Russian troops to enter Ukraine after the events in Georgia.
            Then it was impossible to imagine that the decision to send troops to Ukraine would be made in five minutes without a single question.
            PS and who wanted to sell Crimea to Americans? and most importantly why do they need it?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 November 2018 20: 14
              0
              Quote: Avior
              Then it was impossible to imagine that the decision to send troops to Ukraine would be made in five minutes without a single question.

              And what questions can there be when the enemy came to Russian soil?
              Quote: Avior
              PS and who wanted to sell Crimea to Americans? and most importantly why do they need it?

              That is, you here express your opinion without knowing the question at all? Google will tell you everything. I will not educate you because I think that you are just pretending to be such a "dunno".
    3. Severski
      Severski 13 November 2018 12: 28
      -3
      I thought you had hungry fainting in the streets. At least they describe it like that.
    4. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
      Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 14 November 2018 02: 02
      +1
      PanE gunpowder, at least you yourself in a similar way described by you
      paradise paradise today you live in Mazepia ??? :-)))
      Have you ever been so lucky yourself ?!
      Or are you someone else's paradise out of envy describe, and ???
      For I do not see this paradise around me at point blank range: - (((
      Blinded for sure ...
      But I see only one маз ч маз маз маз маз маз маз пет пет пет-----bandera
      and the upcoming endless war of the anti-Russian Janissaries
      against Moscow in the regime until the last xxl, still capable
      hold the machine in hand ...
      But it’s probably easier for you, because you live in such a paradise,
      that you can simply envy ...
      And who you, such enthusiastic gunpowders, only hires ???
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 November 2018 09: 58
        -5
        how you have chosen nickname yourself. campaign, from the written did not understand anything, but undertook to comment.
        Yes, it's harder than Abyrvalg. Maybe you should not read me?
        And as for the blindness, go to Professor Preobrazhensky for a small operation, he will correct all cognitive dissonance in your eyes, for the first time. hi
        1. Katyusha
          Katyusha 14 November 2018 11: 09
          0
          And about- blinded, go to Professor Preobrazhensky for a small operation,

          If you believe your eyes (video from Krivoy Rog) - then yes, grace and prosperity:
          the tires are burning peacefully, people are walking around peacefully, there is a beautiful front garden. And there is no heating in the city - well, that is, you never know who does not have what, and you never know who "does not love" someone because of this.
          Prof. Preobrazhensky, the proletariat did not like dirt in the front door. It happens.
          And the fact that Ukraine is not worthy of external debt is unequivocally peermog.
          Also, as we see, it happens.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=WZVbuB-u1NY
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 November 2018 13: 22
            -3
            if you open your eyes, you can find out in two accounts that, due to the stupidity and laziness of officials, one of the two heat-supplying organizations in Krivoy Rog did not conclude an agreement on time, and therefore in half of the city they delayed the inclusion of heat. But the people in two ways corrected the matter.
            And if you open these eyes to the full, it’s easy to find out that the mayor of Krivoy Rog, who is responsible for utilities, is an openly pro-Russian politician Yuri Vilkul, a member of the Opposition Party and former Party of Regions, a close associate of Yanukovych. And if you don’t open your eyes, they will show anything.
            1. Katyusha
              Katyusha 15 November 2018 10: 39
              -1
              And if you don’t open your eyes, they will show anything.
              Ukraine is not Palestine for you - no one will feed green lemons for nothing, even though they are trying. The question "where is the money, Zin" remains relevant until the debts are written off and Lard 500 is poured into the "Singapore-Ragul" miracle.
              But that's all to see - it’s better not to open your eyes ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 15 November 2018 22: 35
                0
                taking into account the fact that the gross external debt of Ukraine has decreased over the period under review, no one feeds for free. But with your eyes it’s really bad. Continuous splash screen of the first channel. come back to reality however
                1. Katyusha
                  Katyusha 16 November 2018 00: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  taking into account the fact that the gross external debt of Ukraine has decreased over the period under review, no one feeds for free. But with your eyes it’s really bad. Continuous splash screen of the first channel. come back to reality however

                  Have ukrosingapur already been built?!? Well then - insha on the right! (C)))
                  But I haven’t been watching TV for ten years, unlike you.
                  And I have no idea what "first screen saver" means)). winked
                2. Fayter
                  Fayter 16 November 2018 12: 29
                  0
                  I also probably do not live in Kiev?
                  I wonder how it turns out that the minimum wage in Ukraine is the smallest in Europe as much as $ 250, in Russia, for example, $ 650.
                  Gunpowder out of all debt presidents scored the most over $ 23 billion over 4 years ...
                  Purchasing power decreased significantly compared to maydaun.
        2. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
          Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 15 November 2018 12: 29
          +1
          When there is absolutely nothing to argue on the merits, all that remains is
          suck your opponent’s nickname :-)))
          It's an axiom of any Internet[email protected]cha, didn't you notice?!
          And just for this, my current nickname was chosen.
          He's like a red rag on a bull. (Although this is a myth, bulls DO NOT see red)
          For who, then, refuses to make a mistake about such
          a colorful character, like Polygraph Poligrafovich personally.
          So you bought it so cheaply, congratulations :-)))
          Well, you are NOT the first and you are NOT the last ...
          The whole charge of your oklomymy went to the whistle :-))) You just amused me ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 15 November 2018 22: 40
            0
            When there is absolutely nothing to object

            on a post with numbers, links and diagrams, you must immediately go to the opponent’s personality and put a label on it

            PanE gunpowder, at least you yourself

            and then pile on him a bunch of propaganda cliches and cliches, without writing anything in essence.
            Do not flatter yourself, the content of your post is consistent with your chosen nickname.
            If you still do not understand this, well, just do not read what I am writing, this is not for you.
  19. lBEARl
    lBEARl 13 November 2018 10: 41
    +5
    Once, Russia already shared one Slavic state, Poland, with Prussia and with Austria-Hungary. The result was the fierce hatred of the Poles towards Russia, which dates back to the third century.
    .
    Something I did not notice Russia's great love for the Poles (and vice versa) in earlier times, for example, in the 25th century (they loved each other so much that they were at war for XNUMX years over a century). The partition of Poland was a natural result of its defeat and weakening during the geopolitical confrontation with Russia (they destroyed an opponent who had threatened Russian statehood a century earlier).
  20. andrew42
    andrew42 13 November 2018 10: 48
    +4
    Both the author of the article and Limonov, criticized by him, are right only partially, very partially. The question is really difficult. Here the author urges not to abandon Chervona Rus, Galician and Volyn Rus, you can still remember the chronicle streets with Tivertsy. This nostalgic approach is pure nonsense. Because the main thing is not the name of the territories, and "what was there before that", the main thing is the self-identification of the population who lives there. But in reality it turns out that the current Mordovians, Chuvash and Komi are more Russians (or maybe in ancient times clans were such) than the population of Western Ukraine, and also central, where the majority (!) Of the population clearly identifies itself as Nerus. Take the same Chernigov. A primordially Russian city. Historical aniagonist of Kiev. So what? Peace of mind, -Maydan endorsements. There are the majority of the carriers of the anti-Russian idea, and you can twist and twist as you like, but "you can't make a curve straight" - even "re-education" will not work, since for this it is necessary to remove the external influence of Westerners, and who will give it! Limonov, too, do not think right. There are a significant number of people reaching for Russia in Ukraine. Not the majority, but significant. And to dance on their bones, for the benefit of all Romania, and the Polish gentry, it will be a disgrace to us. Entirely, at once, or even a third - Ukraine will not come to Russia in the near future, - The American Kaganate is not asleep, and there is no possibility to remove it, except for the global cataclysm. And today's Russia is not a paradise of social justice, we ourselves do not see a special bright future, there is nothing to offer in essence. Therefore, painstaking gradual work for decades lies ahead, and then in relation to the Eastern part of Ukraine. First Donbass, then other left-bank regions will be pulled. The main thing is people. People are dear to us in spirit, in outlook, and not in some areas. And to stimulate the Eastern European hyenas (koi on an American leash) to the division of Ukraine is pointless. There and so they sleep and see it.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 November 2018 09: 59
      -3
      Well, yes, Russians who disagree with you are Russians of the second grade.
      Are you actually a Russian or a Chuvash yourself?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 46
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        Well, yes, Russians who disagree with you are Russians of the second grade.

        And no one forced you to become Ukrainians - this is your own choice, so do not run into the Chuvash, they are more Russian than you, much more.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 15 November 2018 11: 52
        0
        The transition to the opponent's personality during the discussion is your diagnosis. Maybe you still have "the keys to the apartment where the money is"?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 15 November 2018 18: 18
          0
          Quote: andrew42
          Switching to the opponent’s personality during the discussion is your diagnosis.

          Apparently you are talking about it.
          Quote: Avior
          Are you actually a Russian or a Chuvash yourself?

          You’ve made a good diagnosis.
          Quote: andrew42
          Maybe you still have "the keys to the apartment where the money is"?

          where did you get the apartment, the money?
        2. Avior
          Avior 15 November 2018 22: 44
          0
          And the question is not your personality
          no need to be ashamed of your nationality, I will equally equally react to the fact that you are a Chuvash or a Tatar.
          I am Russian, and proud of it, but I respect all other nationalities, and I want to understand, why do you consider it possible to teach Russians how they relate to each other?
          I, for example, cannot imagine myself explaining to the Tatars how they should relate to other Tatars.
          but your apartment and other do not interest me
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 16 November 2018 13: 37
            0
            Yes, calm down, you are already talking about nationality. Russian, I'm Russian. Moreover, a Muscovite, one might say. My family is Ivanovs from Klin, "from workers" as they used to write in the questionnaires. Are you satisfied now? However, your question about the "nation" was blatant arrogance. Nothing cocks like a glare.
    2. Katyusha
      Katyusha 15 November 2018 11: 03
      -1
      Therefore, there will be painstaking gradual work for decades, and then with regard to the eastern part of Ukraine.
      What structure in Russia will deal with this "painstaking"? Do you have elite closed management structures that have played for a long time, for centuries - like Masonic and Order?
      The American Kaganate is not asleep, and there is no way to remove it, except for the global cataclysm.
      They tried to destroy and Latinize many times long before the sshants.
      The main thing is people. People who are close to us in spirit, in terms of worldview, and not some areas there.
      ... Where do you see them? Out of about 30 people in my inner circle, all of them have become Ukrainian, except for one - and that is the age and Soviet mentality. And through the system of school propaganda and through an even deeper reformatting by the Istanbul patriarchy, you will receive a second, but even more aggressive Nazi "speech for the political." Ukraine is everything. One consolation is that these Natsiks are economically unsustainable (for now?), The latter will tear their navels with their suicidal imprisonment in drag nach osten.
      The main thing is to create in Russia a society of at least relative welfare, in which the country is for people, not people for a club dumbing sailors from their wild luxury.
  21. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail 13 November 2018 11: 09
    +3
    It should be reminded to the Ukrainians that after 351 years in Russia, they separated from it all. And all Ukrainians are separatists. And today, some just found themselves and decided to return to their previous state, in which they were good for 351 years. Someone was lucky and they have already returned, while someone else is trying. And I'm sure they will succeed !!! And the Nazi separatist movement in Ukraine will come to an end. Just take them back, it is necessary neither as Ukraine, but as separate regions of the Russian Federation. As it was in the Russian Empire.
    1. Yat
      Yat 13 November 2018 12: 51
      -1
      They did not separate. Their Bolsheviks separated. Yes, even in a larger size than they originally expected.
  22. Kawado
    Kawado 13 November 2018 11: 20
    -1
    And it’s so cool to divide neighboring countries from the sofa)))
    Ukraine was united and will remain, the only question now is whether it will be in the EU / NATO or in the Russian Federation.
    And the last option every day is all the more likely.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 14 November 2018 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: Kawado
      Ukraine was united and will remain

      Tell it to the Yugoslavs.
      1. Kawado
        Kawado 15 November 2018 10: 31
        0
        In Yugoslavia, the situation was completely different, and times, too, and Russia too ... Yugoslavs are not Ukrainians
        The only division that could have already happened is the LDNR, and even then it is subtle, "on snuffles", even when they begin to die of hunger in Kiev, they still will not leave the new republics alone.
        And if, for some reason, the division of Ukraine does start to take place in other regions, and the grasp of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass weakened, then neighboring regions may well join the LPNR, and then the reaction may become irreversible, since these comrades are still "to Berlin will not reach "(until they hit the border points of neighboring states) will not stop and no Polish abrams will help to grab a piece of Ukraine.
        Therefore, at the moment, I do not see absolutely the prerequisites for separation.
        For it only theoretically could have happened after the Maidan, where there was still a ghostly chance to peacefully divide "according to interests", perhaps to fight a little and disperse. Do not forget that we are talking about Ukraine, these guys on both sides are stubborn to the tailbone - "if they said that they did not take it, then they will never give it back."
  23. Detnix
    Detnix 13 November 2018 11: 28
    +2
    Back in 2014, it was necessary to take all the lands of Otich and Dedic, all of Ukraine !!! Yes, today's sanctions would seem like an easy bashing, but how can you talk about when there is a question of reuniting a single people. To our deep regret, today's nonentities are not capable of this, the appearance of Burkhalter with a "black mark" was enough, as it huddled under the table, and began to bellow "menacingly" from there.
  24. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 November 2018 11: 40
    0
    So how to be? The answer is simple: it is necessary to look for an opportunity to return all the south-western Russian lands, called Ukraine today. The form in which this will be done - the entry into the federation on the rights of subjects, the creation of a confederation or a similarity of the Union State of Russia and Belarus - will depend on the situation.

    Of course, the main question will be: where to find funds for this?

    What, edrena stick, "means" ?! Another irresponsible talker. Another offer to buy a victory? Unfortunately, in the small brains of people offering this, the simple fact cannot be kept in mind - you cannot buy a victory, you can only rent something similar. You will have to pay all the time, the fees will increase and the result will be poor.
    Westerners will somehow humble themselves if we flood them with money all the time. But their hatred of everything Russian will not subside even on a hair. It will be the same as in the Baltics, which the USSR tried to buy, and in which the Russian language was never "understood". Only taking into account the mentality, if the Balts hissed in the back, then in Lviv the author of these nonsense will one day simply be put on the peak.
    If, nevertheless, we have to take a piece, in spite of all Putin’s jewelry skills, then we will need to do it, naturally, in Lemon style. There is simply no other way! And then ... and then you will need to do what the author described in his own article. That is, to catch Bandera and put them against the wall. Massively. Not just messing in blood, but dousing it on the shoulders. And if you grab the whole of Ukraine, then bloodsuckers will literally flood the river.
    As a matter of fact, this is precisely why Putin rests against this very "Minsk format". One might think that we cannot at any moment take this very Ukraine for any place. And you don't need as much money as the author whines. There are a lot of hard-working people there, and it is not so difficult and not so expensive to launch profitable production facilities. But here are the bloody rivers ...
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 13 November 2018 18: 03
      0
      That's right +++
  25. Occupant
    Occupant 13 November 2018 12: 11
    +3
    Who specifically settled in Ukraine? Americans, Poles, Hungarians and so on? But no, other individuals with the idea of ​​a Khozar Khaganate. It became a bit crowded on B.V.
  26. AK1972
    AK1972 13 November 2018 12: 32
    +2
    In my student days, even during the late USSR, many Ukrainians studied with me, and never once were Westerners. All naturally were members of the Komsomol. So they often allowed themselves statements like: "If not for Ukraine, you would have died of hunger" and "The Russians are to blame for everything." Only after a hard blow to the ear did these expressions disappear from their vocabulary, but unfortunately not from their heads. Russophobia got into these organisms with mother's milk. Anything here can be corrected only by harsh repression, but for this the very concept of "Ukraine" as a geographical object should disappear and 2-3 generations inhabiting this territory should be replaced.
    P.S. In fairness, I must say that not everyone was like that. They were friends with many. But after the well-known events, all contacts were lost, their pages in our social networks were deleted (I don’t dabble in social networks, but my friends told me).
    1. Kawado
      Kawado 15 November 2018 11: 34
      0
      And I also studied with the Ukrainians, so there were no ideas except fraternal peoples and a single country in my head or in the language, although I studied with them already in the early Russian Federation. And even more than that, they consider themselves Russian, and Ukraine an integral part of the Russian world, they came from Kiev, Kharkov, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa. Although no one was beaten for our views, and in fact they practically did not condemn, not before that.
      Many, by the way, remained in Russia.
      Probably a lot has changed since the late USSR.
      Although we had only one Bendera, though he quickly changed his mind, the first thing he understood was that the Russians were violet to his "leader", no one would get angry, they just looked at them as if they were insane, complained about what to do with their idol historically the disgraced loser is not in trend, and somehow the guy himself was released on the sly, he began to get sick first with Bohdan Khmelnitsky, and then he stopped worrying about this topic for a long time ... I haven't seen him for a long time, but I am sure that he never left for the square and certainly hardly a Russophobe.
      Russia is actually capable of curing many people, especially when Russia is not the poorest among its neighbors, like the RSFSR under the USSR, but the richest as it is now, and the richer, the more and more all these comrades with a "distorted worldview" will be his radically change towards Russia.
  27. Yat
    Yat 13 November 2018 12: 48
    +2
    Western Ukraine has long been a foreign land for us. Therefore, it is better, as they say, a tit in the hands than a crane in the sky. And it is better not to wait when this crane finally turns into a predatory hawk.
  28. iouris
    iouris 13 November 2018 13: 05
    0
    Divide and distribute the USSR. Is everything going according to the approved schedule? Sorry, according to the roadmap. Okay, wait and see. Redrawing borders is a war.
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  30. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 13 November 2018 14: 51
    0
    History - "lady" is not constant, it all depends on what period and from what point of view. Just demagoguery.
    It is always much easier (and cheaper - in every sense) to agree. At least with the local population (Crimea, South Ossetia, Transnistria, Abkhazia). Without their support, any imposed regime will not last long (the Baltic states, Poland, Finland, etc.).
    Otherwise, a great war cannot be avoided. It’s better to live poorly in the neighbors .... Compare Chechnya and the Crimea - there is one goal, but how differently I got!
    Anyone who stands up for the war for the "liberation of the primordial territories" should think about how they will have to escort their son to the front. For the sake of whom and why send death? Are you personally ready? What about your son?
    And who from Ukraine wants to live in Russia in a good way - so let them come, please!
  31. SS-18 Satan
    SS-18 Satan 13 November 2018 15: 35
    +3
    Get up the huge country, Get up to the mortal battle .. how relevant this call is today!
  32. Nadezhda Marnevskaya
    Nadezhda Marnevskaya 13 November 2018 15: 48
    +3
    Times are changing, empires are crumbling. The USSR encouraged nationalism in the republics, with the exception of the Russian one. In particular, in Ukraine there was a real Ukrainization of the population, despite the fact that most of them recognized themselves as Russians and spoke Russian. But "the water wears away the stone." The ideology of the USSR, according to which the Russians were considered to be everyone's duty and to everyone, respectively, are to blame (thesis: the Russian Empire is a prison of nations), continued to live, despite the diametrically changed ratio in terms of living standards in favor of the republics, especially the Caucasian and Central Asian ones. You can write a lot about this, but the fact remains: growing nationalism and even contempt for Russians, worship of the West, made the collapse of the Soviet empire inevitable. And "they don't wave their fists after the fight."
    The only thing that can be done in Ukraine is to prevent the growing Russophobia in those areas that still remember the Russian language and honor a common history with Russia. And yet, yes, referendums will be needed to establish these areas, as well as those that want to join other countries. To preserve a "united Ukraine" means to forge more and more enemies. There is no doubt that if the status quo persists, US missiles will be deployed along the entire Ukraine-Russia border. And dividing this openly hostile country between neighboring states is the best way out of this situation.
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 13 November 2018 17: 42
      -7
      The Russians lost the "battle of civilizations". Forever and ever. No chance of survival. A loser people who allowed themselves to be ruled by thieves and fools.
      The future of THIS civilization (already NOT Russian in the modern sense of the word) lies in the revival of Hyperborea and the imperial idea as a whole.
      If Hyperborea is revived - unification of lands b. USSR and even beyond that - it will happen. But already on a completely new idea and a new level. It will be a different, better civilization that can become a role model for others. It is with THIS civilization that all the prophecies about the "revival of Russia" are connected. But a corpse cannot be reborn - but it can provide a breeding ground for a new rebirth. It will not be superfluous to recall that the "Russians" are the direct descendants of those very Hyperboreans who, in addition to the thirsty traits (thirst for justice and truth), absorbed a lot of filthy traits that, in fact, destroyed them.
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 14 November 2018 01: 57
        +2
        Breathe out! And do not drag so deep!
    2. rhino
      rhino 13 November 2018 21: 17
      0
      Ukrainization ??? What are you about ??? Around the 60th year, the process of mass translation of schools into Russian began. All schools opened were Russian. It will probably be news for you, but Russian language teachers had more salaries. All universities were in Russian. Ukrainization was supported by the Bolsheviks in the 20s.
      1. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
        Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 14 November 2018 01: 40
        +3
        In the 60s, in May and October demonstrations in embroidered sharovary
        and in a sweatshirt with wreaths polled up all the youth ...
        Including Jews, Armenians, Tatars, Georgians and others :-)))
        It looked just rzhachno ...
        My parents still have a photo in the album, where they are both,
        drafted into this treasury props from the city committee of the Komsomol in the background
        fellow students of the same technical school in Dnepro} | {idovsk
        at the May Day demonstration ...
        That was the kind of "Russification" that was then.
      2. Fayter
        Fayter 16 November 2018 12: 41
        0
        This is true and there is nothing to minus, it was so in Kiev, he studied at a Russian school. After the summer in the village, for two weeks I switched to Russian from Ukrainian and vice versa, when I came to the village, all the cinema and universities were in Russian, mostly libraries chose books in Russian in the libraries.
        Now everything is being translated into Ukrainian, so I force my children to read it in Russian, but studying in Ukrainian has become everywhere, for me it’s wild in my daughter’s tablet Windows and an office in Ukrainian, I immediately change to Russian, I always argue for that!)))
  33. aleks700
    aleks700 13 November 2018 16: 41
    -1
    Section of Ukraine according to Limonov is of course the way out. But First, the Kremlin will not go for it. Second West. Take all of Ukraine is not possible. The story that Galician Rus Russian territory is over.
    And here they propose for the crime of the Poroshenko regime to give millions of Russian people to Polish-Romanian-Hungarian bondage!
    The population of this territory does not think so. The population of the western regions will have to be exterminated, they will not give up so simply. And no one will dare to do this. At the same time, the Western states will enter without picking. And do not take on the content of the South-East. He will feed himself perfectly.
    In addition, by encouraging the capture of the western part of Ukraine by NATO countries, we thereby agree that the bases of the North Atlantic Alliance, including the missile defense system, will move even closer to our borders. And in the context of the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty, this can have disastrous consequences for us.
    Better if these bases appear near Kharkov?
    1. rhino
      rhino 13 November 2018 21: 20
      -2
      You probably sincerely think that from your words, Ukrainians will have and increase love for you ???
      1. Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich
        Sharikov Polygraph Poligrafovich 14 November 2018 01: 30
        0
        Has anyone ever wondered at least once
        so-called "Ukrainians"?!? :-)))
        Seriously ?!
        Who and when ???
        And why exactly does Russia need to start ?!
  34. Dzungar
    Dzungar 13 November 2018 18: 06
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    One thing interests me - and what will happen to one national group of the population that started all this bedlam in Ukraine ...?
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 13 November 2018 18: 13
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      Ancient ukrami?
      1. Dzungar
        Dzungar 13 November 2018 18: 14
        +1
        No, no .... They themselves were used ....
  35. tank64rus
    tank64rus 13 November 2018 18: 42
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    "But there are other sources of funds in the country that the government did not encroach on. The time is probably coming for the transition to a mobilization economy and state capitalism." This government will not encroach on these sources are in the hands of the masters of this government. There is no money, but you are holding on, that's all, and the fact that the existence of not Ukraine is under threat, and Russia itself, they do not care.
  36. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 13 November 2018 22: 21
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    Russia has no way to contain Ukraine. Otherwise, Donetsk and Lugansk regions would separate from Ukraine within their borders. Not to mention the Odessa, Kherson, Kharkov regions. Only for couch strategists is coercion of peace throughout Ukraine possible.
  37. mag77
    mag77 13 November 2018 22: 55
    +1
    Thanks to Gorbachev, for the millions of deaths of the people, from the date of entry into power to this day! Having destroyed the USSR, he condemned millions of people to death, he turned out to be worse than Hitler! Hitler attacked other countries and peoples, and Gorbachev lowered the country, killed his own people by the famine, consciously destroying food, doused it with acid, so that people wouldn’t dig it out. All the allied states betrayed and sold offal and unleashed the hands of the United States for war in everything the world! All these gifts came to us not only from Gorbachev (hunger, devastation, swindle, schizophrenia, theft, betrayal, banditry, Nazism, fascism, etc.), but also from our matchless, loyal, brave, right-wing defenders of the fatherland of the state security committee who were responsible for the fatherland more than Gorbachev himself, not to mention the Communist Party.
    All 70 years of the USSR, Ukraine was treated by Polish Nazis and everyone turned a blind eye to this. Ukrainians did not respect other peoples in Soviet times, from their own experience. They constantly traveled to Poland, Romania and Hungary and said that if it were not for the Soviet regime, they would have lived well. Elegantly zapadentsy lived, unlike the entire state of the USSR. They built 3-4-storey house-palaces, but also worked hard. They do not like Russians due to the fact that the whole Russian life fit in a suitcase and earnings for the stomach. They said that the Russians for the sake of food, I'm sorry ..... they will go and betray their homeland for 100 grams of vodka.
    To divide the territory of Ukraine that was selected from the German invaders and not only Ukraine, but also Poland, Hungary, Romania, Germany, East Germany! What section can we talk about? Maybe it’s worth declaring Gorbachev mentally unfriendly and annul all the territories of the Soviet army that he donated if they do not calm down in their AGGRESSION to Russia. Demand from the BANDITUS state of the USA to immediately leave our continent!
    Of course, Stalin would have done so if he had risen, deployed in Cuba, nuclear weapons in Alaska and California! The interim of all US states would make Rainbow Revolutions so that the states would forget about the whole world, would return to their own order.
    And so are our powers that be, to whom the people have entrusted their lives and the country only enrich their own and foreign pockets, hiding their families there and the wealth of the people, the Russian land.
    Throughout the USSR, all the people of the USSR, regardless of nationality, shed their blood, purging from the Basmachi, bandits, fascists, and today's Russians the heirs of the USSR at any time can return their liberated lands of the Union republics and states if the liberator people and their descendants are oppressed there!
  38. DeGreen
    DeGreen 14 November 2018 07: 49
    +1
    An experiment called Ukraine failed. We must take our own, and with the rest let Europe dissolve
  39. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 November 2018 09: 09
    +1
    Now only Russians are ours. If they want to be Okraintsy, then we will relate to them as to Okraintsy, that is, people not even of 2, but simply outside the variety.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 November 2018 10: 01
      -1
      the higher race decided to divide not even the peoples, but the Russians themselves into varieties. Hitler didn’t even think of such a thing.
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  41. kazdok
    kazdok 14 November 2018 18: 20
    +1
    The author lives in what time? nothing that Ukraine shoots from guns at the cities of Donbass and snipers shoot grandmothers? And what about the military camps of young Bandera, who shout "Death to the Russians and DNR?" Advice to the author - to sing in the morning "Ukraine has not died yet" ... On his theme will be.
  42. Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov 14 November 2018 21: 27
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    They want it — they do it and they suffer, they don’t want it — they don’t do it and they don’t notice everything point blank. The options to deal with dill as much as you want without blood and terrible costs. 27 years does not want the Russian Federation, looks and turns his face to the side, waiting. Roast roast awaits. It is regrettable.
  43. LeftPers
    LeftPers 15 November 2018 11: 16
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    Quote: Finches
    including for

    From nothingness has appeared, into nothingness and must return.
  44. Lighten
    Lighten 17 November 2018 09: 37
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    the author is right that this is Russian land. BUT the author is ready to work 12 hours at the factory as a mechanic for the ration of bread for the next 10 years? And no Internet of your personal car, children after 3 lessons work for another 4 hours in some kind of workshop? Ready to pay for the reunion? I would agree, but these are less than half a percent. So the demonstration riots will begin. And not only are we unstoppable new territories, but we will also lose the main Russia. We need "real" politics
  45. UltraRed
    UltraRed 17 November 2018 11: 19
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    At this historical stage - the natural border of Russia - this is the line to which the population will meet Russian tanks with flowers. More is not needed yet, we are unlikely to pull it. But it is necessary to expand to the natural border, regardless of any sanctions and threats.
    The definition of such a border is actually in place - the task of intelligence, sociological and analytical state and public structures of the Russian Federation.
    A good example of the first step of such a policy is the Crimea.
  46. koshmarik
    koshmarik 17 November 2018 14: 31
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    To give land is not a problem and does not require a great mind, but it is almost impossible to regain it, let alone grow it. There are the Japs who have been fighting for the Kuril Islands for a decade, and what? The current Ukrainian problem is undoubtedly a temporary matter, Ukraine is doomed to the closest alliance with Russia and there is no doubt that it will be so and, in my opinion, much faster than it seems to us now. And when the three countries Russia, Ukraine and Belarus unite their economies and values, then the USA and the EU will have to scratch their turnips very much, and sanctions, like a bad dream, will disappear on their own.
  47. garik77
    garik77 17 November 2018 21: 45
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    Include Galicia in the Russian Federation? Ravings of a madman! This will again be a war with the Bandera underground, which will receive the most diverse support and assistance from the West. And our guys will die. Fuck such lands we need.
  48. garik77
    garik77 17 November 2018 21: 48
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    Quote: koshmarik
    The current Ukrainian problem is undoubtedly a temporary matter, Ukraine is doomed to the closest alliance with Russia and there is no doubt that it will be so and, in my opinion, much faster than it seems to us now.

    Where are you going to skakuasov? There, a whole generation of Svidomo has already grown, whose brains are cancer. They are sure that those who live in the East are subhuman, and they are Aryans.
  49. Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 20 November 2018 08: 33
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    Quote: Bearded
    It is easy to divide Ukraine.
    The European Union does not want to accept Ukraine into its membership. Russia invited her to the EurAsEC. The US does not want to have 51 states.
    But the choice is not rich: except for Russia, only Russia.

    you forgot a little ...... there is still Honduras wink