This strange Russia ... Part of 1. Monument to the Nazis

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I do not know how long this cycle can turn out, but the fact that a couple of articles did not get off is a fact.

And yes, absolutely aware of the fact that "the mind does not understand Russia." But we have to. It is very necessary to begin to understand us with our mind, because the moment when “everything is already late” if it comes, then it usually makes no sense to run behind Borjomi.



I'll start from afar. From the fact that we have not observed crowds who want to be friends and ally forever. Unlike other, perhaps less righteous, states. But in stories there were many who wanted to slightly better equip their being at the expense of the Russians.

Yes, the list of those who have broken off the horns is as long as Russian history itself. And for good reason there is a postulate that the Russians do not win.

But, as practice has shown, it is quite possible to buy yourself.

And my story today is about that.

In general, this sad story from time to time begins to be exaggerated in various media outlets, but there is no sense in it, since the monument in honor of the fascists has been in its place for 25 years.



25 years of humiliation. The symbol of corruption.

So, the city of Rossosh of the Voronezh region. It is here that stands, as the locals call it, the “monument to the fascists”.



The story is simple to mayhem. In the glorious year of 1993, initiators from Italy appeared in Rossosh. In general, the theme of the Rossoshan events in Italians is about how Korotoyak is in the Hungarians. That is sadness and melancholy, because the gay Italians were bogged down with a nut. Well at least, they were taken prisoner, it was not so sad, like the Hungarians.

This strange Russia ... Part of 1. Monument to the Nazis


Since the Soviet times, Italians have decided not only to come to worship the ashes of their ancestors, but also to make a sort of pilgrimage-retreat, that is, to go on foot from 70 to 150 kilometers by the same route as the surviving ancestors dragged.

And what, in fact, ask? And nothing. I personally do not see anything reprehensible in this. Let go, the more the better. Let the memory of this not be erased, it will come in handy for the future.

But I found someone among these Italian people (or a group of gentlemen, I don’t know for sure), very intelligent and knowing Russia. Mind knowing.

And this one decided ... to perpetuate the memory of his gallant ancestors who heroically fell on the land of Voronezh.

Let's just say, actually there is an Italian cemetery in Rossosh. And there is a memorial sign on it.







Viewed from a human point of view, the Italians are fine. There is where to come, where to stand, to put flowers there ... In general, not like mad dogs buried, although it was worth it, by and large.

Red line: we did not call the Italians to us. They themselves came. And even today we don’t need tales about poor Italian (Romanian, Hungarian, German) guys who were mobilized by force and sent to Russia for slaughter.



Oh yes, "just carrying out the order."



Eichmann also said so, but how did it come out ...

Go ahead. Italians took the initiative. And let us build something in Rossosh ... Let's build a kindergarten!

Let's. Kindergarten "Smile" is also constantly in all materials flashes. Since the Italians also collected money for the construction, they themselves plowed on leave so that God forbid. This is the local people told us.



Kindergarten "Smile" really went out on glory. Big, beautiful, bright, with a swimming pool and other capitalist delights.



But a little bitchinka is present. The place is chosen, let's say, ambiguous. Accurately at this place was the headquarters of the Alpine Corps, which included three divisions: "Julia", "Tridentine" and "Cuneense."

It was the fighters of "Tridentina" who made that retreat march. Two other divisions were radically unlucky, the 6-I army of Rodion Yakovlevich Malinovsky, the future marshal of the Soviet Union and twice Hero, and the remnants finished off, ran over them with a roller.

Yes, the Tridentins fighters at the end of January 1943 broke through the encirclement and were able to leave.

The rest of the Italian 8 army ... 64 000 captured, more than 20 000 captured could not surrender for a good reason, around 40 000 could leave the environment.

All around got around 130 000 Italians.

R. Ya. Malinovsky more than paid for his defeat in the Kharkov operation, and already in February 1943, Stalin appointed him to the post of commander of the troops of the Southern Front.

But back to the newest history.

So, a kindergarten on the site of the headquarters and barracks was built. In 1993 year. Remember that and how was it then in the country? And I remember. And the Italians understood in their own way, but with their heads. And someone smart suggested the idea of ​​a memorial sign. Well, Russian with Italian brothers forever and all that.

Built ...

And exactly on the 10 anniversary of the unfortunate kindergarten "Smile" this one was revealed ...



Well, people are adequate, please tell me, on one platform our star and the cap of the Italian killer from the Alpine Corps - is this normal?

Local search engines will not allow to lie, the Italian guys are not at gunpoint fighters fought. They themselves coped well. And the remains of our soldiers, killed by bullets of mountain shooters, are found to this day.

Couldn't you strain your brains and come up with a real symbol of real reconciliation? Two boys with balalaika and pipe? I had a couple of minutes.

But no. It is the cap of those who shot at our people, both military and civilian.





Well, this is only the beginning of obscurantism. In this, if I may say so, “monument”, the bones somehow fell. Yes, the remains. Italian Well, just detective like that, under the cover of darkness, someone took it and threw it up.

Ours, of course, saw nothing, heard nothing. They did not look there, but their ears were covered with something. Okay, we'll talk about this a bit later, but for now, as proof, the Italian press, in which they, who knew well about the laying of bones, told.



And in the book prescribed. Well done, nothing to say.

The Rossosh public, of course, has jumped, but where it is ... It is not so easy, it turns out, to do something that is not pleasing to the authorities.

And what, ask, this is so pleasing here? Oh, there is a space for flight of thought!

In general, the friendship with the Italians is thoroughly materialized and beneficial. When the "monument" was opened, the then head of the district, Vladimir Grinyov, stood at attention to the descendants of the fascists.



"Italian friends" solemnly produced him in the "honorary Alpine", after which he began to visit the sunny Italy. And not one, but the whole family. A lower rank followed him, but people significant in the region: the head of the city administration, Yuri Mishankov, the head of Rossosh, Eduard Markov, the local historian Alim Morozov.

Naturally, at the expense of the host. With families.

Alim Morozov, an honorary resident of Rossosh, is, in fact, the engine of all Italian in the city. Well, he saw a boy of heroic and good Italian soldiers, well, "ill" by the Italians. And now Mr. Morozov is the best friend of Italy in Rossosh.

Locals say that Morozov was trying to push through another monument with might and main - an Italian soldier with a Russian girl in his arms. It didn’t come true, but the hat of the fascist murderers, too, would pull.

In 1995, Morozov’s book in Italian, “From Distant Wartime Childhood,” was published in Italy, where he actually whitewashed and licked those who came to kill us. Such is the good Mr. Morozov ... Breadmakers, baked by his grandmother, wore soldiers ... Italian ...

By the way, it was not I who invented it, it is Morozov who writes in his “book”.



Probably, nobody will be surprised by the fact that he is the director of the museum, which is located in the basement of the Smilek garden?

Museum, by the way, funny. I could not visit due to the fact that I did not know about his work schedule.





On the court there are two, if I may say so, “guns”, and that’s all. The gates are locked, well, he is guilty, he had to come before.

Local people said that there is nothing to do in the museum without an interpreter. The whole exposition of the two halls that interested me in Italian. The first hall was like the Italians dragged as far as Kharkov, the second one was built like a kindergarten.



Well, there is a portrait duce. As without Mussolini, right?

But that's not all. What about the fascist Sabbath? Natural this? There was a place to be, let's say briefly and clearly. In 2003 year.

It was decided by the Italians and the people close to them to celebrate the 10 anniversary of "Smile" in a big way. And not only did they hold a solemn and mourning rally with the worship of bones laid in the monument, so they also held a fascist march!

What trifle, right? Rossosh from Voronezh is far away from Moscow. And so they took the center shut down, and the brave arrows and their descendants went with a solemn march!

Beauty! Lepote! Mussolini from the other world smiled, our veterans, they say, wept, and the Italians walked.













In 2013, they say, they wanted the same thing. Rally, honors, march. But by that time such a stench around this business had risen, that the authorities had not risked. Gently gathered around 500 people from sunny Italy, managed, however, without marches in hats with feathers. They organized a rally at the entrance to the kindergarten, raised the flag of a veteran organization of alpine shooters, and served a commemorative mass on the dead ancestors. And we went to the "places of military glory" of their ancestors.

And the title of "friend of the Alpine shooters" seems to be passing. And inherited between officials.

Otherwise, how to explain such a statement of another official, Alexander Khitsenko, first deputy head of administration of the Rossoshansky district:

“Even if everything that our opponents say is true, can we now remove the memorial sign with such a slogan?” How will this be considered after 25 years of our joint cooperation, friendship and normal relations?



Indeed, and how?

How to recognize that the monument to the invaders in this form is the very propaganda of fascism? Terry Italian fascism?

How to recognize the corruption, and frank, uncovered, Rossoshanskih authorities? Only by personal interest can I explain such a clear reluctance to see the problem among Rossosh officials. Over the years 25, I emphasize.

People protest, write to various authorities, but ...

25 years in Rossosh do not want to see that the frank revanchist Alim Morozov is engaged in the propaganda of fascism, contrary to the laws and common sense. Probably, the case is worthy of being engaged in the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia.

It is probably worth finishing this sad material with another photo. It was made in Kiev, in the days when the 75 anniversary was marked, the liberation of Kiev from invaders and the 100 anniversary of the end of the First World War.



Well what can I say ... Where they killed, there we are present. Apparently, this is such a credo among the masters of alpine shooters.

And further. The ending of the video we shot at the memorial to our soldiers. It is unpleasant to rezanulo so that the star is there, the nozzle is there, and the Eternal Flame does not burn ...









And on the memorial about three thousand of our soldiers and officers lies. And the busts of a dozen local Heroes of the Soviet Union are. And the Eternal Flame is extinguished.

All the same things are wrong in Rossosh, as there is something wrong ...



P.S. The continuation of the topic, unfortunately, will be. And it will touch the graves of Soviet soldiers, if it can even be called graves.

Sources:
https://nyka.livejournal.com/4093736.html
http://www.chr.aif.ru/society/history/v_pamyat_ob_okkupantah_kak_pod_voronezhem_poyavilsya_pamyatnik_fashistam
https://tepliy-tepliy.livejournal.com/397493.html
Photo from the archive of Nikolay Savchenko (Rossosh)
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  1. +14
    13 November 2018 06: 16
    Relatives of the dead Soviet soldiers will not buy a ticket to the mayor in Italy. So why fire something to light? ...
    1. +64
      13 November 2018 07: 13
      The betrayal of the dead Soviet people, at the hands of the Italian fascists, on our land, and the misbehavior before foreigners for Judah’s pennies - this is the only thing that can be called the actions of the local administration of the Voronezh region.
      And it seems like a trend, now in capitalist Russia. It is worth recalling only the boards of Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, the monuments to the white-cherries in Siberia, the monument to Shkuro and Krasnov in the Rostov Region and in Moscow.
      1. +24
        13 November 2018 07: 55
        Yes, that’s how it is Money and money again .. Here try to touch .. Everything is decided at the highest level ..
        1. +32
          13 November 2018 09: 18
          Quote: 210ox
          Here try the throne ..

          It was impossible to put it initially, but now, indeed, it is harder to demolish. But still it is necessary! And no matter what the Italians think. The monument was transferred to the Italian military cemetery. .

          PS The feather on the alpine head of the monument is the real TESAK (bayonet), not a bird's feather. What generally looks wild, namely, as the glorification of Italian weapons.
          1. +8
            13 November 2018 10: 22
            In the cemetery, this monument is the place: a hat, helmet, cap were put on the graves. And the star is a reminder from which they died.
            1. -12
              13 November 2018 13: 37
              The author twitches.
              Normal monument. It is indicated who died, from which he died.
              And reconciliation after death. Moreover, in 1993 there was still hope that NATO would soon collapse and peace would come on Earth.
              1. +2
                15 November 2018 10: 55
                Quote: Shurik70
                The author twitches.
                Normal monument. It is indicated who died, from which he died.
                And reconciliation after death. Moreover, in 1993 there was still hope that NATO would soon collapse and peace would come on Earth.

                Wazoo monuments of reconciliation in Poland? There, even the monuments of liberation are demolished
                1. +1
                  15 November 2018 13: 06
                  If non-people are crap under the fence, this does not mean that people also need to crap there.
          2. +11
            13 November 2018 17: 00
            Quote: Olgovich
            and now it’s really harder to bear.

            Well, why is it hard? in my opinion, in the spirit of European traditions soldier
            how is it in all sorts of polands and baltics with our monuments? this is normal by European standards. and! it is also necessary not to forget about the roofing felts of 14 or 24 thousand "innocent" Poles, together with their president. at the cemetery of all the dead not related to the glorious history of Russia. soldier and let memorials be set up in Poland and Italy.
          3. +9
            13 November 2018 19: 48
            Two bottles of vodka and a drunken "Uncle Vasya" in the trash on a bulldozer - not an option?!? You don't even need to ask the authorities' opinions, they organized themselves and demolished them themselves.
            And the bones can be reburied in the main cemetery with all the honors relying on.
            Abroad, it’s not too ceremonial with the graves of our fallen fighters, so what should we complex about this?!?
            1. +1
              13 November 2018 23: 10
              Quote: Kapitan A
              And the bones can be reburied in the main cemetery with all the honors relying on.

              What honors can be given to the bones of fascists in the country that defeated fascism ?! Kolya from Novy Urengoy?
          4. +12
            13 November 2018 20: 00
            Quote: Olgovich
            It was impossible to put it initially,

            And there is no need to remove them, next to put a stele with the inscription "THEY HAVE COME TO KILL HERE", to put such steles in all cemeteries where the remains of the invaders lie, be sure to write on these steles a list of all countries participating in this campaign of the West against us. The monument will turn out to be a tall, very long list of aggressors.
            1. +1
              30 November 2018 15: 09
              I agree. And in St. Petersburg, on the buildings near the board of Mannerheim, install their boards indicating the number of those killed in these houses and throughout the blockade thanks to the participation of a "Russian" graduate in it. So that once again they remember, or those who did not know think.
              Unfortunately, there are already a lot of them ... Are elections to the authorities held in Rossos? The residents do not want to demonstrate their attitude on them? A complaint to the prosecutor's office about the propaganda of fascism? What else remains? The same authorities won't let you put up their monuments next to them .... Bulldozer at night? In a human way, it would be polite to endure this outrage. To Italy ... And what kind of reconciliation do some people write here ?! Make friends with your contemporaries, if you like! And this is "reconciliation" with the memory of the past, oblivion of the people's feat and betrayal of pure water! Another "new Urengoi". Such things need to be massively notified, and, yes - OVERCOME! Culturally, intelligibly, reasonedly, "democratically", but OUGH !! On the mind of the younger generation.
              1. 0
                30 November 2018 15: 48
                Quote: Vasily Yurievich
                Culturally, intelligibly, reasonedly, "democratically", but OUGH !!

                It is just so that they are the descendants of the participants in this fascist campaign against us, coming to us everywhere they come across a look at what their ancestors did, what happened to them and that we did not forget anything.
          5. +3
            13 November 2018 20: 07
            Quote: Olgovich
            PS The feather on the alpine head of the monument is the real TESAK (bayonet), not a bird's feather.


            I completely agree ... I was surprised that the text talked about the feather, but it seemed to me - the cleaver is trying to cut the star ...
          6. LMN
            +3
            14 November 2018 05: 03
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: 210ox
            Here try the throne ..

            It was impossible to put it initially, but now, indeed, it is harder to demolish. But still it is necessary! And no matter what the Italians think. The monument was transferred to the Italian military cemetery. .

            PS The feather on the alpine head of the monument is the real TESAK (bayonet), not a bird's feather. What generally looks wild, namely, as the glorification of Italian weapons.

            So this is the pen .. belay
            And I could not understand why this knife was there ..
        2. +7
          13 November 2018 17: 43
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, that’s how it is Money and money again .. Here try to touch .. Everything is decided at the highest level ..

          And it’s also decided for money. Such is the power of the bourgeois. Such is his scanty, cannibalistic logic. Because the bourgeois has no homeland. The bourgeois sold it.
      2. +17
        13 November 2018 11: 09
        And we all shout that in Kiev fascism, Bandera, but the affairs themselves are no better ..
      3. 0
        13 November 2018 14: 01
        Quote: vladimirZ
        And it seems like a trend, now in capitalist Russia. It is worth recalling only the boards of Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, the monuments to white whales in Siberia, the monument to Shkuro and Krasnov

        I agree with you, only Krasnov and, for example, Kornilov were really high-class officers, but not from the other side. They performed well in World War I. Civil made them enemies. Skin, a dubious personality
      4. +7
        13 November 2018 16: 19
        You are right, capitalism. "Our" officials are very fond of receiving money from abroad. The fact that they sold the memory of their ancestors is not surprising, they sold it for money !!!!!!!!!!! Can it be different under capitalism ?! In their opinion, primordial patriotism - we, in their opinion, cattle, money for the sale of the Motherland, officials. Officials will surrender their homeland at the slightest opportunity. And they will not hesitate. I do not see anything extraordinary in the described situation. Capitalism.
      5. +1
        13 November 2018 17: 45
        Judas did not have long to mock the people of Russia. For everything you have to pay in full.
      6. +1
        13 November 2018 18: 27
        Yes, once this scum - a rope around his neck, and now Kolchak is almost the savior of Russia. Meanwhile, he hung and shot, and pushed ideology such that the fascists were jealous
      7. +1
        13 November 2018 21: 33
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The betrayal of the dead Soviet people, at the hands of the Italian fascists, on our land, and the misbehavior before foreigners for Judah’s pennies - this is the only thing that can be called the actions of the local administration of the Voronezh region.

        Hm! Armenians at a monument to fascist Garegin Nzhdeh erected amicably and applauded the whole country
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    3. +3
      13 November 2018 19: 48
      And what did the hat of the alpine shooters not please? She, as it were, in Italy, is still considered a uniform headdress, like hats of bersaliers. And no international (including ours) is recognized as symbols of fascism, just a hat. The Italian military and veterans come to honor the memory of their soldiers in the country where they died, and ... Is this forbidden? This is normal. In Paris, I accidentally stumbled upon a monument to OURS (although for many it’s just crystal bakers) to soldiers and officers who fought and died in France as part of the Expeditionary Force. This monument is very close to the Champs Elysees and you can come to it and pay tribute to the memory. Like any military monument.

      In so you photo from Rome, someone sees a fascist here?
    4. 0
      13 November 2018 20: 31
      Here before the heap near Ostrogozhsk https://muph.livejournal.com/315906.html
      Plus, in the Liskinsky district on the territory of the Divnogorsk Assumption Monastery, there are 4 Hungarian graves, as expected, with a cross (presumably a Catholic) and a ribbon of flowers of the Hungarian flag. This is about what I myself know.
  2. +10
    13 November 2018 06: 32
    But nothing personal, just business ... and erasing the memory ... I recall the legendary one, as Kisa Vorbyaninov and Ostap Bender danced in front of tourists on the Georgian Military High Road and shouted Dengi, come on!
  3. +8
    13 November 2018 06: 38
    "This is a publishing house over our soldiers, over those who died in the battles against fascism. I do not understand where the inhabitants are looking ??? Maybe all over Russia to raise the people to remove this shame from our land?"
    1. +25
      13 November 2018 06: 52
      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
      "This is a publishing house over our soldiers, over those who died in battles against fascism. I don't understand where the residents are looking ??

      Residents look where they need to, just the authorities "in half" at these residents. I saw on TV a story about this "monument", it clearly says - the people are "against", the authorities are "for". Who cares about people now, the "power vertical" has been built, and you can relax. There are already a lot of examples of this: from "pension reform" to macaros and children "unnecessary" to the state.
    2. 0
      13 November 2018 14: 02
      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
      where do residents look ??

      where does the Power look?
      1. +5
        13 November 2018 19: 48
        Power looks where it needs to. Where it needs it, VLASTI.And before this shame and mockery, it does not care. How can you offend "Berlusconi's friend"?
        ..
  4. +11
    13 November 2018 06: 46
    There are two options for the development of events - either to throw off "the whole world" and return the money for the kindergarten to the Italians, and this whole "composition" under the bulldozer and the case is over, or to offer the Italians to change the monument to a more acceptable one, in the spirit of rest before the Russians, and even spend a city-wide referendum on this topic, and the museum should be moved to the homeland of these warriors. Something like that, probably ...
    1. +11
      13 November 2018 09: 48
      Quote: EwgenyZ
      either offer Italians to change the monument to a more acceptable

      For example, I see this: a woman with a dead girl in her arms, and before her, Italians kneeling, with her head uncovered.
      1. 0
        15 November 2018 09: 18
        Quote: Cheldon
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        either offer Italians to change the monument to a more acceptable

        For example, I see this: a woman with a dead girl in her arms, and before her, Italians kneeling, with her head uncovered.

        Could be so.
  5. +13
    13 November 2018 06: 49
    When I read Skomorokhov's articles, I catch myself thinking - he knows how, devil, "to burn people's hearts with a verb."
    And anger, righteous, boils in the heart.
    Therefore, it is necessary to react to the articles of Roman a little cool down.
    And having thought over all aspects of the questions raised.
    I'll start with the first one.
    Like us, the descendants of Soviet people. We position ourselves in the Second World War? Not in the Great Patriotic War, but in the world.
    Who were we for Europe?
    We consider ourselves liberators.
    And who do the rest consider us?
    Occupants.
    And let's face it.
    Nazism, fascism found its way and flourished in many countries.
    Not only Germany, but also Italy, Spain, Portugal.
    Their Nazis were in France, Great Britain.
    Swedes, Danes, Romanians, etc. largely shared the ideology of Nazism.
    The reasons for such a reversal of the consciousness of the masses lie in the plane that the moderators have been carefully trying out of the comments lately.
    That is, in fact, not only Germany was hit by the bacilli of Nazism.
    Europe was at the stage of development of this disease.
    And having broken the ridge of Nazi Germany, we came to other places of spread of this infection.
    But the population, in general, was not against their Fuhrer and Duce.
    So who are we, Soviet people, for them?
    The invaders.
    And they have no other understanding in this matter.
    And our monuments stand at them.
    And protected. And look after them.
    Yes, not without excesses. This is how Poland rolled out "gratitude" to us.
    Yes that Poland. Ukraine is the field of research.
    So Roman you need to consider all the facets of the "diamond" from all sides.
    And it is not necessary to pour the "ash of Claes" on our heads.
    1. +20
      13 November 2018 07: 00
      Yes to me on a drum all these sides.
      Our country fought with those who have a monument in our territory !!! This is a shame for the country and for all of us.
      Our fought there with fascism, therefore, the monuments are.
      And then ... Would you erect a monument to those who came to kill your family, burn your house, even if the killers of the descendants erected a monument in their yard to those who were killed?
      A distinction must be made between criminals and their victims.
      Maybe put a monument to Koch and Höss?
      1. +3
        13 November 2018 11: 31
        Your suggestion?
        Demolish and level with a bulldozer?
        Do not let the Italians come to us !?
        But what about the French?
        They also do not have monuments in our land?
        And I’m afraid to ask about the Poles. Their Katyn where to send?
        Probably it is worth turning a blind eye to some aspects and let 100 go on for another years, and then we'll see.
        Well, the descendants will look at the meaning.
        To me, personally, their monuments on our land are not pleasant. But ours in their land may not be pleasant to them either. So what?
        Let's start the Big Cleaning !?
        1. +12
          13 November 2018 12: 03
          Why not let it in? Let them come, rest, work. But to erect monuments to those who came to conquer us is a humiliation not only of us today, but also of our ancestors. They could leave graves, albeit creatures, but what can they do? Collect them all into common graves with inscriptions: Poles, so many people, Germans, so many people, etc. And at each such general burial there is an inscription in golden letters: whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword. Everything! They are not worth more.
        2. 0
          13 November 2018 14: 09
          Quote: demo
          Your suggestion?
          Demolish and level with a bulldozer?
          Do not let the Italians come to us !?

          there was also - "a tragic past, through a friendly present, to a brotherly future", It seems that there is awareness from the other side. And like a monument not only to the past but also to the present and the future ???? only is there any data in the museum about the number of destroyed manpower and equipment of the Red Army ???
  6. +11
    13 November 2018 06: 49
    We can repeat it! Judging by how Russia repeats and how Italy repeats, there are big doubts that Russia has potential! The novel outlined the correct topic. It seems not very fond of talking about this in our media. Well, they will write what bad Poles or Balts demolishing WWII monuments. But here's what happens in Russia, silence! Yes, in the 41st, of course, they rebuffed, in the 45th we were already in Berlin and Japan! But after half a century they all surrendered! The media, of course, is trying to make a smart face when speaking of war. But! One BUT! Today in the USSR pour a lot of dirt. Films about the USSR are mostly anti-Soviet! Everything possible is being done to defame that system! And they’ve already dishonored well! But again there is one BUT! This is WWII! What to do with this? Write off everything to the Gulag, detachments !? Then everything was very bad and even gloomy !? Well, if everything was so sad, where did the volunteers and the equipment built on the savings of citizens come from? So our current oligarchs donated a lot of money for the army? Or funded development and production? Under Peter, too, something was done with the money of the people, in the sense of building warships. And where do the funds of modern patriots go? How strange it turns out. Ordinary workers and collective farmers died for the country, and fat cats fight for the loot and for the right to place it with our opponents. Today the golden ass rules. And what patriotism can adherents of this donkey have !? Well, except for patriotism for money!
    1. +4
      13 November 2018 11: 19
      But after half a century they all surrendered!

      For the loot passed. And to these fat cats absolutely who cares who, where and when shed their blood so that the descendant could enjoy life!
  7. +11
    13 November 2018 06: 56
    We will not forget anything! And forgive? Nefig, not with buns, sweets, they came to us!
    Repentance, okay, even the place of burial can be left, even if it is, but this is the time to stop. We do not hold evil against descendants, even for this they will rejoice and do not repeat the crimes of their ancestors.
  8. +5
    13 November 2018 06: 56
    I don’t know, bring it to the public? Like to write in "Man and the Law", no? They love this, they can really help ... It seems like they do it according to conscience and according to the beech of the law, if not fakers ...
  9. A.
    +4
    13 November 2018 07: 07
    Why do not the youth gather and douse the slops or throw eggs on the Nazis who arrived on the march? Ideally, they should have been smashed to refresh historical memory. As they were fascists 70 years ago, they remained.
  10. +13
    13 November 2018 07: 10
    The mayor of the city knows perfectly well what is going on in his place at Rossosh. So sitting in proportion.
    And the next one is the governor. You need to ask him too.
  11. +6
    13 November 2018 07: 26
    While reading for some reason I remembered the doc. K. Semin's film "Biochemistry of Betrayal" ...

    People protest, write to various authorities, but ...

    But the All-Seeing Eye - the Eye of Sauron is busy with more important things: the search for those who like the post with suspicious content.

    Ah, if the most-Persian chief chief-chief knew about these "local pranks", he would never have allowed this!
  12. +8
    13 November 2018 07: 43
    It’s hard to comment because the topic is painful. Of course, it is impossible to live in a state of eternal war, so you need to look for the deepest points of contact and cooperation. Glorifying fascism is criminal, but also denying the right to memory of others - is this right? So it is necessary to teach the people, and even more so the representatives of the authorities, to understand such things. Only who will do this in the conditions of the open defamation of the Soviet period of our country by home-grown liberal Russophobes: historians, writers, cinematographers, political scientists, public figures, who passionately seek out and relish the negative episodes of the past that attribute them exclusively to Russian. Yes, there are such episodes, there are many of them, but against the backdrop of the hard and many years of work of the multinational people to restore destroyed and trampled upon by enemies, to create a new one, to develop the Far North, Siberia and the Far East, outer space, which has experienced treason by the authorities and many intellectuals in recent years, it all fades and goes into the background. Our monuments to the fallen in the struggle for freedom and independence of Russia should be better and more well-groomed, kindergartens more spacious and more beautiful, films and performances more truthful and honest, they should teach the good and the beautiful, the lives of our people, and not just one elite, should be better and richer , then the monuments to our enemies will be perceived differently.
    1. +4
      13 November 2018 11: 28
      Reject memory is not necessary, but also not to be forgotten. I am for every dead person to be buried, this is a Christian mission, buried under the auspices of the church, with a memorial cross. But to glorify the invaders and to honor them is this sacrilege in relation to their fallen soldiers.
  13. +1
    13 November 2018 07: 48
    An interesting article .... Not only in the sense of existence, but also in the fact that it was written by an author who not so long ago branded neighboring Ukraine. Well, when the streets and avenues began to be renamed out of the blue. I tried to oppose, they say, not everything, most likely, is so sad, but with different monuments and ours is not so good, but I was frankly pissed, minus, and one of the arguments was "... we do not put monuments to fascists." I did not study this topic and only knew about the scandalous board for Marshal Manerheim in St. Petersburg .... And then there it turns out .... Well, what shall we do then? Demolish? So, it seems, according to local concepts, they are at war with memorials only in Poland, the Baltic states and various Dill?
    Yes, and why don't the authors start the next article with the words "sinful .... I noticed a speck in someone else's eye, but in my own ...." Well, to be honest ...
    1. +2
      13 November 2018 11: 42
      I also know such a memorial, it is located in the district center Dukhovschina of the Smolensk region, there was a park with a dance floor in the area of ​​the central department store, where during the war there was a burial place of Nazi soldiers. After the Democrats came to power, the local authorities agreed with the Germans to rebuild the cemetery and instead they built the Dukhovshchina-Smolensk-50 km highway. (which was built from the 1963 of the year but was never completed).
  14. +16
    13 November 2018 08: 07
    And what to want from the path taken by our fragment from the Great Country? There is no ideology except worship of the golden calf. The older generation leaves and conscience leaves with it. Planks of Mannerheim and such "monuments" appear. Curators of these "attractions" Naturally, not local, but for that the local official wants to eat well and relax far not in the Crimea, Turkey, or something like that. What do they remember of their grandfathers who no longer exist.
  15. +11
    13 November 2018 08: 17
    there is a star, there is a nozzle, and Eternal flame does not burn…

    The beginning of such monuments is just given above. Remember: in the 90s - in some cities, the Eternal Flame was disconnected from the gas supply for the administration's debts to the resource-supplying organization, etc. KVN-ovsky jokes - "sponsor of the Eternal Flame - Gazprom", young people who periodically arrange antics at the memorials. The ostentatious guard of honor of the Yunarmeys, etc. - except for a beautiful patriotic picture, monuments to administrators are not needed for certain dates. Money is now higher than memory.
  16. +17
    13 November 2018 08: 30
    Another question is why all and sundry spit on the Soviet people who defended our Motherland. Many here on VO are proudly cursing the "commie". And the former White Guards who were marching with the Nazis to the Soviet Union for some reason were "heroes". Yes, even the same Mannerheim. This is something we need to think about.
    1. 0
      13 November 2018 08: 59
      Quote: Gardamir
      Another question is why all and sundry spit on the Soviet people who defended our Motherland. Many here on VO are proudly cursing the "commie". And the former White Guards who were marching with the Nazis to the Soviet Union for some reason were "heroes". Yes, even the same Mannerheim. This is something we need to think about.

      The brains of people are washed out (I'm talking about the absolute majority) - this is the answer why.

      Ask anyone - "I am for all good, against all bad." You try to clarify what is good and what is bad - such a mess in your head that at least stand, at least fall. But you don't have to go far: in the topic about Chubais, you can't find his supporters - everyone, to put it mildly, disapproves. But once you make a survey about communism, the majority, roughly speaking, will spit. How so? Shoot one target and not love your fellow in the trench? Just because you didn't get a chance to become an oligarch? Therefore? And if there was a chance, then immediately "Tolik, bro!"?

      And not only here, but all over the world. What most tele-ringers pumped into their heads they wear, so they think.
  17. +1
    13 November 2018 08: 49
    antivirus 3 November 20, 2016 12:36
    antivirus Today, 11: 59 ↑
    Sergei Gavrilovich Semenov, 1931, d. Maksimovo, Staritsky district of the Kalinin region: “We were under the German for a month and a half, but nearby, near Rzhev 1,5 g, they didn’t count us as people. They could easily kill us” At 10, the child understood instinctively, everyday communication, glances and beat, drove out of the hut.
    + the elder brother died at the front, and 2 more were blown up on the remaining supplies in the ground (which ones? I dismantled out of curiosity, but I don’t know)
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    ++ even earlier, he said-- "the first doctor to go was a military doctor, oh gut ... gave a harmonica and a chocolate bar"
    NEXT WAS - SEE THE FIRST PART
  18. +3
    13 November 2018 09: 04
    Quote: 210ox
    Yes, that’s how it is Money and money again .. Here try to touch .. Everything is decided at the highest level ..

    It seems to me that the question is different: these people live next to us (and not in special cottage villages with security), and it is WE greet them, give us a hand ... And if you turn away from them? Try passing by without looking at them, not responding to a request for help, etc. M. b. then, there will be less such "Morozovs"?
    It is simple to state the fact, but somehow it is necessary to respond to it i.e. do something ourselves, in each specific place.
    And here, for fascist money, THEIR cemeteries are kept in proper form ... at the same time, they will bite each other for this work.
  19. +4
    13 November 2018 09: 08
    Correct and timely article. I would not mind the monument to Italians if instead of the words "Italians who died in Russia" it was written "Italians who died in Russia." A completely different subtext. And the fact that they come is good, let them remember.
  20. -1
    13 November 2018 09: 19
    From the material it is unclear:
    1) The cap on the monument - Fascist uniforms or from standard military uniforms?
    2) Are these caps used now?
    3) Is there a law / rule prohibiting the use of an element of the aircraft uniform in monuments?
    4) Is the 2 museum halls accurate only in Italian, without Russian?

    And without this, the article is half about anything.
    1. +2
      13 November 2018 19: 04
      Quote: Larum
      +1
      From the material it is unclear:
      1) The cap on the monument - Fascist uniforms or from standard military uniforms?

      Yes open the form of Italians. These are alpine arrows
      1. -1
        14 November 2018 09: 49
        Then the claims to the monument are greatly removed .... and the article is almost about nothing
  21. -9
    13 November 2018 09: 23
    To the local authorities, God is a judge, and maybe a human court will get it. But there shouldn’t be a discussion of the issue of monuments to Italians, to fight with the dead in the first place is vile, and in the second, mass graves and monuments to Soviet soldiers stand throughout Europe and we really do not like demolition and desecration of them.
    1. +8
      13 November 2018 09: 41
      Do you even think what you're saying? According to your logic, we need monuments to the Germans, Romanians, Finns, Danes, etc., who came to our land to fight against us. Did our soldiers fight in other countries with the locals? Or did they fight there with fascism? And I don’t give a damn about these scum who remained in our land. It’s only a pity that their bones will still plague our Motherland. And, if you talk like that, in a few years they will even equal our soldiers with soldiers Wehrmacht.Moreover, in the West they are already doing this, so we ourselves will begin to think so and do this.
      1. -4
        13 November 2018 09: 50
        I think, and you? You can instruct more minuses, the essence will not change. Calling to demolish everything, think about how you differ from the Ukrainians of the Poles of the Baltic states and others like them? Dead surrenders will not be given, and modern Italians have the right to honor the memory of their ancestors, whether they were right or not is another matter.
        1. +9
          13 November 2018 11: 43
          The point is not the minuses, but the fact that in your reasoning you missed one small detail: our soldiers liberated the world from fascism, and the Germans and Italians brought this fascism to us (with all the consequences). I think no one would be opposed if the monument was erected by Italian or German anti-fascists who fought on our side. Nobody also says that it is necessary to demolish the cemeteries of the dead Italians - they are not at war with the dead. But here is a monument to Italian soldiers who fought against the Red Army can be attributed to the propaganda of fascism. And therefore, it may well fall under the demolition.
          1. -2
            13 November 2018 19: 25
            We are used to one-sided look at the Second World War ....
            [quoteOur soldiers liberated the world from fascism, and the Germans and Italians brought this fascism to us [/ quote]
            But reasoning objectively, for Germans and Italians, communism, as an ideology, posed the same threat as fascism and us for us. And the leaders of their states called for war with the USSR.
            In no case do I act as an adversary’s advocate in the Second World War, but we must keep in mind propaganda against us in the Axis countries
            1. 0
              14 November 2018 12: 38
              Here you are very wrong. People remember the actual acts. And what German and Italian troops did on our territory cannot be compared with what the Red Army did on the territory of the liberated states.
              Quote: Rurik
              In no case do I act as an adversary’s advocate in the Second World War, but we must keep in mind propaganda against us in the Axis countries

              Propaganda works exactly until the moment when it comes to direct participation. When a person sees with his own eyes that what they told him is not true - the effect of any propaganda ends.
        2. +3
          13 November 2018 11: 44
          Quote: hrulevv
          I think, and you? You can instruct more minuses, the essence will not change. Calling to demolish everything, think about how you differ from the Ukrainians of the Poles of the Baltic states and others like them?

          There can be only one monument to the invader - at the cemetery. And then if you deserve it. Comparison with Poland and the Baltic states is irrelevant, our troops liberated them. Ukraine is not a topic at all.
          Quote: hrulevv
          Dead surrenders will not be given, and modern Italians have the right to honor the memory of their ancestors, whether they were right or not is another matter.

          What is the difficulty to come to the cemetery, to honor the memory of the ancestors, it exists and no one is going to demolish it.
          1. -1
            13 November 2018 12: 20
            Why is the comparison with Poland not relevant? If you forgot, we liberated part of Poland back in 39 ... If it was built, then it should stand, simply because we are better than the Poles and WE ARE PEOPLE and won the war only because of that. Everything has already been broken and broken twice, only then have to be restored. These Italians are going to honor the dead and let them go and see the monument not to their victory, but to ours. I bow to this, with respect.
            1. +5
              13 November 2018 12: 45
              Once again: you can honor the memory of the dead in the cemetery. For this, there are burials. And MONUMENTS are set to save the MEMORY. The memory of whom in this case they wanted to keep - the invaders? And about Poland you are in vain. There were many monuments to soldiers of the Red Army who died in 1939? Unfortunately, they demolish the monuments that are in memory of the soldiers who liberated Poland from fascism.
              1. 0
                13 November 2018 13: 18
                Do you really think that for the Poles there is a difference in which year Soviet soldiers died at 39 or at 45? I think not, for them we have historically been enemies for many centuries. I think it’s difficult for Hungarians and Czechoslovakians to consider us liberators after the events of 56 and 68, but nonetheless ... Although I think they had enough of such articles and discussions. So you touched memory, memory, and demolition of monuments helps what? Or is this monument glorifying some sort of “exploits” of Italians? I did not notice. Let’s demolish the monument in Katyn then, our Poles break, but the Italians don’t. It’s nonsense, we need to deal with local officials, and not only with local ones ... The fate of the monuments is of interest, so on the Volokolamsk highway there is a monument to 11 sappers Panfilov’s, one of the anniversaries was reconstructed not so long ago and the Shtug self-propelled gun was sold somewhere, a cheap replica was put in its place and that’s why for some reason his fate doesn’t concern anyone that he has boiled up for his soldiers and you say memory ...
                1. +4
                  13 November 2018 13: 43
                  Quote: hrulevv
                  Or is this monument glorifying some sort of “exploits” of Italians?

                  This monument stands in memory of the invaders. No?
                  Quote: hrulevv
                  Do you really think that for the Poles there is a difference in which year Soviet soldiers died at 39 or at 45?
                  I think that there is a difference. Monuments put to specific events or specific people. So in Poland there are monuments to soldiers who died precisely during the liberation of Poland from fascism. By the way, what part of the territory liberated in 1939 is now part of Poland?
                  Quote: hrulevv
                  I think it’s difficult for Hungarians and Czechoslovakians to consider us liberators after the events of 56 and 68, but nonetheless ...
                  And in Hungary or Czechoslovakia are the monuments to our soldiers who participated in the suppression of the uprisings?
                  There is no need to mix up the entire centuries-old history. So you can get to the point of absurdity. And this monument did not need to be erected. Then there will be nothing to demolish. And about the Explosion monument ... Well then. There are enough fools everywhere. Especially when it comes to money. Only this is not a reason to turn a blind eye to such "initiatives" and say: "Well, you have already done it - nothing can be done."
        3. +4
          13 November 2018 12: 12
          And it’s nothing that these same Italians come to honor their memory where these very deceased killed, robbed people who never went to these same Italians and didn’t want to conquer them? The Italians come here to honor the memory of the killers ??? Yes it’s the same as putting up a monument to Chikatilo and giving his family the opportunity to honor the memory of his cousin ..
        4. +4
          13 November 2018 12: 19
          Do you really not understand that by erecting monuments to these murderers, we are thereby helping to rewrite the history of the Second World War to the West and the States? Well, in fact, since there are monuments to these fascists on the earth, which gave millions of lives in the fight against this very fascism, then, then, is it not so bad? And it wasn’t such a great war. And maybe we shouldn’t have fought at all, since there is no difference for us between the Nazis and the Soviet soldier, and we honor the memory of both of them?
          1. -1
            13 November 2018 13: 35
            For me personally, there will always be a difference between a Nazi and a Soviet soldier, but the history of the Second World War is a very dark thing that it’s better not to touch it at all, it has a lot of muddy spots (I’ll clarify, not the great Russian but the Second World War) the last comment on this topic as food for thought. At one of my acquaintances, the Wehrmacht soldier’s grandfather in captivity met a Russian girl, I think it’s not necessary to continue. Such issues cannot be considered one-sidedly.
            1. +1
              13 November 2018 20: 10
              Well, let's not look one-sidedly. Let’s put up a monument to the Fritz who fell in love with a Russian girl. But you have to, Aryan. And he fell in love with what is under-human. Slav. Hero, in a word!
              In my opinion, everything is very, very clear here. They came to destroy us, and to plunder our Motherland. Everything! There can be no other ambiguities.
              1. -1
                13 November 2018 20: 15
                Still easier we won. The lot of the victors is magnanimity, revenge is the lot of slaves. Destroy it further, but before breaking it at least once, to the mass grave of flowers and not to the monument to the unknown soldier, but to Tver and Smolensk swamps. Patriots x ...
                1. +1
                  13 November 2018 20: 26
                  The lot of the winners is generosity.
                  Good. Let us forgive everyone who killed our grandfathers and fathers.
                  Let's forgive the unborn children, the horrors of Auschwitz, Buchenwald.
                  Let's forgive Khatyn, Babi Yar.
                  Let's forgive everyone and everyone.
                  And what? We won.
                  It is possible and even better. We will love our enemies, we will deal with them.
                  And to hell with the fact that my mother did not wait for her beloved from the war.
                  That my father was injured in the leg, and my uncle was forever disabled after the Second World War.
                  And maybe I’m sorry that my grandfather was nearly burned in a concentration camp?
                  And my aunt and father didn’t return from the war. Think, Forget and forgive, why take so long to think?
                  Well, what is so here? Just think what a tragedy. The main thing is that you won, and now you can forgive everyone, up to Hitler.
                  Yes, at the same time, you can apologize to everyone who attacked us, for Stalingrad, St. Petersburg, Kursk, Moscow ... Well, how much we killed those who could be forgiven there are incomprehensible to the mind!
                  1. -1
                    13 November 2018 21: 27
                    There is such a saying, do not forget to forgive! Generosity is not for you!
                    1. +1
                      13 November 2018 21: 33
                      Yes. In this I will never be magnanimous, you are right. Too much grief has brought this war and these creatures both to our country and. To my family. So I’m not going to forget, much less forgive. You look, how many millions of people are marching the "Immortal Regiment". And you propose to forgive all these deaths? This is not just stupidity, but a crime against the memory of millions of our people.
                      1. -2
                        13 November 2018 21: 47
                        Well, firstly, you ascribe to me, let's put up monuments, do not destroy and put it is not the same thing. And the bottom line is, if you REALLY honor those who died in that war, then you should be aware that the demolition of the monument will be covered in the media throughout Europe and every dog ​​will poke its diplomats nose with this nose immediately after they hint at the desecration, or the destruction of monuments to Soviet soldiers, and they are demolished and not a few. And it is necessary to respect everyone, even enemies and even the defeated. Thanks for communication.
              2. -2
                13 November 2018 20: 20
                Breaking down monuments is not patriotism, it is blasphemy, wherever and by whomsoever it is made, and no matter what slogans it is used to hide.
  22. +5
    13 November 2018 09: 26
    Kindergarten is a good thing, offset .. There was a memorable sign before that, well, it seems okay .. but then put this jabber .... then let's put a swastika in German cemeteries in the country .... and as for the authorities ... yes she gets the loot for the maintenance of the monument, most of it in her pocket ... yes, trips to sunny Italy ... the loot and greed devoured everything - memory, conscience, honor
  23. +12
    13 November 2018 09: 36
    All the same things are wrong in Rossosh, as there is something wrong ...

    It has long been no longer okay in the country. the fish rots from the head

    Hitler is surprised, but I - no longer

    Raskoryakoy worth-everyone to please and raise the country. as you know, you can’t sit on two chairs
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  24. +6
    13 November 2018 09: 38
    Or maybe it would be appropriate to put a memorial next to the memory of those who died at the hands of Italians? On the contrary.
    1. +1
      13 November 2018 19: 16
      Quote: Gumma
      Or maybe it would be appropriate to put a memorial next to the memory of those who died at the hands of Italians? On the contrary.

      a good idea
  25. +1
    13 November 2018 09: 46
    Stunned! I did not know about such a miracle ...
    Of course you can’t take it down. Stalemate situation. Demolition - it’s a bit to become Poles, which the monuments to our soldiers demolish. Fig knows what to do now ...
  26. +2
    13 November 2018 09: 57
    Here http://www.kremlin.ru/contacts rewrite the article with the application of photographs, as well as documents confirming appeals to other public authorities and relevant answers. If everything is really the way you describe, the reaction will be. I emphasize: the appeal here should not be the first.

    Generally speaking, these are, of course, issues of local importance. Another thing is if they could not be resolved locally ...

    The problem is complex, overnight to level the corresponding objects - not only desecration of graves (not just because the Italians put a bone there - they knew about the status change and the consequences of such actions), but also an unfriendly step towards one of the few European countries that openly calls for lifting of anti-Russian sanctions. In addition, in Italy there are enough monuments to our heroes, including those who died in Syria. It should also be borne in mind that in Italy the attitude towards Mussolini has nothing to do with the attitude in Germany towards Hitler. Mussolini is respected in Italy. His grave in a very visited crypt. T-shirts, an apron, calendars and postcards with it are not uncommon (I visit Italy regularly and I know what I'm talking about).

    This in our eyes does not justify him in the least, but illustrates the complexity of the problem.

    However, it is not unsolvable. The same museum can and should be preserved, but the main question is at what angle the events are covered. It really doesn’t hurt the kids to know how the Red Army drove uninvited guests from Nazi Italy. And the exhibits should be presented not as memorials, but as trophies.

    Regarding the monument and burial, firstly, it will not be possible to demolish it, and secondly, it is still wrong. It needs to be changed. If he "should symbolize reconciliation" - there is nothing wrong with that - then his appearance should be trying on, not causing heartburn. The idea of ​​having two kids is very sane.

    About the inadmissibility of pompous parades, I think, to say too much. Nothing more than a mourning rally on the Italians who foolishly pounced on our land on our land should not give the go-ahead. Let them march at home.
  27. BAI
    +5
    13 November 2018 10: 00
    In principle, there are military graves. You can treat them differently. But if you want your burial places to be respected abroad, treat strangers with respect. It makes no sense to fight the dead.
    There are many German cemeteries in Russia:


    This is the Spiritual, the largest cemetery.
    There are in Novgorod:

    By stupidity noted in Tobolsk:


    In my opinion, there is still a big memorial, attention - ON THE VOLGA! (Not to be confused with the monument to repressed Germans).
    1. +1
      13 November 2018 10: 48
      Quote: BAI
      But if you want your burial places to be respected abroad, treat strangers with respect.

      Here I completely agree with you, and the more such burials (I mean, your photos) will be opened on the territory of the Russian Federation, the better - so that everyone would see and understand how such adventures end and would not "draw" the figures of losses in the Second World War 1 to 100500. as places of memory, repentance and sorrow, and not for holding parades - this is already a clear overkill. But the author of the article should have visited the museum before writing about it. Maybe everything is not as straightforward as they say.
    2. +2
      13 November 2018 10: 49
      pictured a Jew, by the way.
      1. +1
        13 November 2018 13: 58
        Quote: Avior
        pictured a Jew, by the way.

        To be precise - Mischlinge. Perfect German soldier Werner Goldberg - an epic jamb of Reichspropaganda. smile
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    3. +4
      13 November 2018 11: 23
      As a WWII rector, I support. Do not confuse the propaganda of fascism and a tribute to the victims. It's like hating a Wehrmacht reenactor or museum exhibit. Alpine hat is an element of the national costume. Like a Cossack’s cap. And the ancestors understood this. It is enough to pay attention to the monuments of the battles of 1812. Memory is needed in order to avoid mistakes in the future, and not to fuel hatred for former enemies. God willing, the Italians and Germans will no longer have to fight. Happy Day to all! smile
  28. +5
    13 November 2018 10: 01
    Our children go to such a kindergarten with a "local history museum" on the territory and are imbued with respect and gratitude to good uncles from distant Italy. Something is wrong here. In kindergarten, the teachers introduced me to the exploits of Marat Kazey and Vali Kotik, and fought for the children's costumes of a sailor, pilot and infantryman of the USSR Armed Forces, and then a star in some incomprehensible circle, and even with a cleaver in the bargain ...
  29. +5
    13 November 2018 10: 09
    Send Rossosh administration build a monument to herself not Kolyma.
  30. +3
    13 November 2018 10: 19
    I have a brother in a search squad, every year they are collected and cleaned at all burials in the district, including German ones (I participated a couple of times) At the exits they find not only our soldiers, but also Germans and transfer the remains and personal belongings to the German side . But my grandfather’s brother was found by German search engines and attended the reburial, without politics, without dirt, with mutual respect.
  31. +5
    13 November 2018 10: 43
    In Leningrad, a mine cult wanted to hang a memorial plaque to the fascist mannerheim. The people rebelled. The court removed the board, but its cult hid the mine. Probably until some time.
    Also in Leningrad, at one institute of history, some fraer defended his doctoral dissertation on the effect of the traitor Vlasov during the Second World War. Thank God there were decent scientists who condemned this impulse of the liberals.
  32. +5
    13 November 2018 10: 51
    local authorities will erect a monument to anyone for money, even Chicotile as a victim of the communist regime
  33. +7
    13 November 2018 11: 19
    Treason elevated to the rank of politics.
  34. +5
    13 November 2018 12: 34
    All this abuse of the memory of the defenders of the motherland throughout Russia will continue even further, while bashfully plywood is covering Lenin's mausoleum, and the city of Stalingrad is not on the world map.
  35. +7
    13 November 2018 12: 49
    They say if the monument was erected, then it is impossible to become like the Poles. The main lie! Soviet soldiers liberated Poland from Nazism. In addition, a monument to the Italians in Rossosh was placed on the wave of Yeltsin's anti-Sovietism. So you can demolish without experiencing the torment of conscience. enough of them and a memorial plaque. And marches are already beyond reason.
  36. +4
    13 November 2018 13: 10
    In the Voronezh region, and Hungarian memorials are also missing. Soon the Germans will probably begin to build.
  37. -2
    13 November 2018 13: 59
    So what? There is no Nazi symbolism, so there’s nothing to complain about. The usual military burial and the monument is normal. Our monuments and burials abroad cost nothing, but what is worse? And the fact that the eternal flame went out (forever?) Certainly the Italians are not to blame.
  38. +4
    13 November 2018 14: 01
    You'd better watch that the monuments to Krasnov, Shkuro, Semyonov, Vlasov and others did not appear. They are periodically blown up by caring citizens, and then in the media this act of righteous anger is called "vandalism." And the first monument to Italian soldiers was erected in Soviet times. He is captured in the film "Sunflowers" with lines from a poem by Mikhail Svetlov.
    A black cross on the chest of an Italian

    No carving, no pattern, no gloss, -

    A poor family stored

    And the only son wearable ...

    *

    A young native of Naples!

    What left you in Russia on the field?

    Why couldn't you be happy

    Over native famous bay?

    *

    I who killed you under Mozdok

    So dreamed of a distant volcano!

    How I dreamed about the Volga

    Take a ride in the gondola just once!

    *

    But I didn’t come with a gun

    Take away the Italian summer

    But my bullets didn’t whistle

    Above the holy land of Raphael!

    *

    Here I shot! Here where I was born

    Where I was proud of myself and my friends,

    Where epics about our peoples

    Never sound in translations.

    *

    Is Middle Don Bend

    Studied by foreign scientists?

    Our land - Russia, Rasey -

    Have you opened and planted?

    *

    Not! You brought in echelon

    To capture distant colonies,

    To cross from the casket from the family

    Grew up to the size of a grave ...

    *

    I will not let my country take out

    For the vastness of the foreign seas!

    I shoot - and there is no justice

    More fair than my bullet!

    *

    You have never lived here and have never been! ..

    But scattered in the snow fields

    Italian blue sky

    Glazed in the dead eyes ...


    The poem was written in 1943 ...
  39. +4
    13 November 2018 14: 49
    I am not against the monument, but we must write on such monuments in all languages, they wanted the Russian land and they got it! And let the tourists think why their ancestors were dying!
  40. +2
    13 November 2018 14: 49
    I am not against the monument, but we must write on such monuments in all languages, they wanted the Russian land and they got it! And let the tourists think why their ancestors were dying!
  41. -2
    13 November 2018 15: 11
    Putin's Russia in all its glory. But let the clowns continue to believe that the king is good ...
    1. 0
      13 November 2018 16: 15
      Oh you Alyosha. Russia is not Putin’s or Yeltsin’s, but it’s someone’s Department of State that stinks of you.
      1. -1
        13 November 2018 19: 47
        Judging by the prevailing phrases, it belongs to the diggers of the Black Sea wassat
  42. +4
    13 November 2018 15: 59
    Without whining and swinging the public, call in with a tractor and tumble down the monument to the expanders of living space and take it away in an unknown direction
  43. lot
    -1
    13 November 2018 16: 53
    understood nothing. is the toad smothering that the fire has been put out this is really a problem.
    and the monuments - there are Turks (!) relatively recently in Sevastopol in memory of 1853/55, a memorial was also built. and the French earlier and so on.
    [media = http: //spravka.sevas.com/org/turetskiy-voennyiy-memorial-v-sevastopole]
    and there’s nothing to blame on the mirror, if the mug is crooked.
  44. -6
    13 November 2018 16: 59
    vladimirZ (VladimirZ) Today, 07:13
    The betrayal of the dead Soviet people, at the hands of the Italian fascists, on our land, and the misbehavior before foreigners for Judah’s pennies - this is the only thing that can be called the actions of the local administration of the Voronezh region.
    And it seems like a trend, now in capitalist Russia. It is worth recalling only the boards of Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, the monuments to the white-cherries in Siberia, the monument to Shkuro and Krasnov in the Rostov Region and in Moscow.


    1 If you remove the monument, then all sorts of Berlusconi there will be offended (Horror!) And begin to check the legality of money in Italian banks, on what money all sorts of yachts, palaces, etc. were bought.

    Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius) Today, 07: 48
    An interesting article .... Not only in the sense of existence, but also in the fact that it was written by an author who not so long ago branded neighboring Ukraine. Well, when the streets and avenues began to be renamed out of the blue. I tried to oppose, they say, not everything, most likely, is so sad, but with different monuments and ours is not so good, but I was frankly pissed, minus, and one of the arguments was "... we do not put monuments to fascists." I did not study this topic and only knew about the scandalous board for Marshal Manerheim in St. Petersburg .... And then there it turns out .... Well, what shall we do then? Demolish? So, it seems, according to local concepts, they are at war with memorials only in Poland, the Baltic states and various Dill?
    Yes, and why don't the authors start the next article with the words "sinful .... I noticed a speck in someone else's eye, but in my own ...." Well, to be honest ...


    2 Marshal Mannerheim did not capture foreign countries, but defended his country from Soviet invaders. In Russia, they simply don’t understand how great it is that Finland could not be captured in 1939 or in 1944. If they were successful, Finland would be annexed to the Karelian-Finnish SSR and if the USSR collapsed, Finland would extend to Petrozavodsk. And poor Karelians would live like they did in Finland.

    3 Here you can still recall the lament for Tsushima (recently there was an article in VO). It seems that no one has understood how lucky Russia is that the Japanese are theirs .... Otherwise, the Zheltorossiya project would have been brought to life. And this is another "small annexation" of China and the CER to Port Arthur would be a railway along the border between China and the Republic of Ingushetia (as the Siberian Railway is now the border railway). And by now, all sorts of renegades - the Navalny and Nemtsovs - would have fought for the Russian language as the second state language along with Chinese and at least one Russian school in each district of Moscow.

    4 In Ukraine, the monuments to V.I. Lenin were quite rightly demolished, because he personally wrote on December 3 (16), 1917. MANIFESTO TO THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WITH THE ULTIMATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE UKRAINIAN RADA, in which he offered Ukraine a choice between war and surrender.
    The funny thing is that this work was not hidden during the USSR and was even studied in the course of the History of the CPSU.
    1. +3
      14 November 2018 00: 47
      Literate. The Finns, along with the Nazis, attacked the USSR and held the blockade of Leningrad in the north. My great-grandfather died at their fingertips in 1942 in the Podporozhsky district of the Leningrad Region, where there was no Finland and no offspring. Learn the materiel before writing opus.
      1. -1
        14 November 2018 17: 42
        Gold words! This is about "Learn the materiel before writing opuses."
        Below, unfortunately, are long quotes.

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_(1941%E2%80%941944)

        In the early morning of June 25, Soviet aviation forces led by the commander of the Air Force of the Leningrad Military District A. A. Novikov launched an air operation against Finland and launched air strikes on Finnish territory, mainly on Luftwaffe bases [60], using about 300 [specify] bombers [66 ]. During the reflection of the raids that day, 26 Soviet bombers were shot down, and from the Finnish side, “casualties in people, not to mention material damage, were great” [50]. Novikov’s memoirs indicate that on the first day of the operation, Soviet aircraft destroyed 41 enemy aircraft. The operation lasted six days, during which 39 airfields in Finland were hit. According to the Soviet command, 130 aircraft were destroyed in air battles and on the ground, which forced Finnish and German aircraft to be pulled to distant rear bases and limited their maneuver [67]. According to Finnish archival data, the raid on June 25-30 did not cause significant military damage: only 12-15 aircraft of the Finnish Air Force received various injuries. At the same time, civilian objects suffered significant [what?] Losses - the cities of Southern and Middle Finland were bombed, for which several series of raids were made, including Turku (4 waves), Helsinki, [68] Kotka, Rovaniemi, Pori . One of the oldest architectural monuments in Finland, Abo Castle [69] [70] was seriously damaged. Many bombs were incendiary-termite [71].


        Before this attack, there was no fighting in southern Finland.
        There was the use of the territory of Finland as a base / airfield, which was not known in the USSR at that time and therefore could not be a reason for war.
        Germany and the USSR fought in the north, ignoring the Finnish border.

        War with Finland started under this directive

        June 25th. Stupidity or aggression? Mark Semenovich Solonin
        June 24, 1941, when the directive of the High Command Headquarters was signed by the USSR People's Commissar of Defense Marshal Tymoshenko. This directive was first published only in 1996. Here is its full text.

        "June 24, 1941
        1. It has been established from reliable sources that German troops are concentrated in Finland, with the aim of striking at Leningrad and seizing the region of Murmansk and Kandalaksha. To date, up to four infantry divisions are concentrated in the region of Rovaniemi, Kemiyarvi and an undetermined group in the areas of Kotka and north of the Hanko Peninsula.
        German aviation also systematically arrives in Finland, from where it raids our territory. According to reports, the German command intends to strike an air strike against Leningrad in the near future. This circumstance is crucial.
        2. In order to prevent and disrupt the air strike on Leningrad, outlined by the German command in Finland. I ORDER:
        On June 25.06.1941, XNUMX, the Military Council of the Northern Front began to launch hostilities of our aviation and routed the enemy’s aviation day and night by continuous raids and liquidated airfields in the area of ​​the southern coast of Finland, bearing in mind the points of Turku, Malmi, Porvoo, Kotka, Kholala, Tampere, in areas bordering the Karelian Isthmus and in the area of ​​Kemijärvi, Rovaniemi (northern Finland. - M.S.).
        The operation should be carried out jointly with the Air Force of the Northern and Baltic Fleets, about which to give appropriate instructions to the fleet command.
        At the same time, fully alert the air defense of Leningrad, providing reliable cover for Leningrad from German air raids by a sufficient number of fighters.
        Copies of the orders given to me to be delivered to me by 24.00:24.06.1941 on June XNUMX, XNUMX.
        From the Headquarters of the High Command, People's Commissar of Defense S.K. Tymoshenko ”[237].


        On June 25, a closed meeting was supposed to be held in the Finnish parliament to discuss the foreign policy situation in which Finland found itself in connection with the outbreak of the Soviet-German war. As presented by K.G. Mannerheim planned the following: “On June 25, the government intended to make a statement in parliament that it had made a decision to support Finland’s neutrality (emphasized by me. - MS). The Prime Minister’s report was ready on June 24 in the evening, but the events of the next day forced the government to reconsider the issue ... ”[22].
        In this matter, Marshal Mannerheim, to put it mildly, is “disingenuous” (which, however, is quite understandable, given that memoirs were written in the months of the late 40s, when Finland was hanging on a thin thread). On the evening of June 24, 1941, three Wehrmacht divisions and the motorized SS brigade Nord were already in the far north of Finland and were preparing for an invasion of the USSR. This cannot be called a policy of "supporting neutrality of Finland." Most likely, Prime Minister Y. Rangel was preparing for a very difficult conversation with parliamentarians, and this conversation could well end in a change of head of government.

        Of the 200 seats in the Finnish parliament, 85 belonged to the Social Democrats and only 8 seats (4% of all votes) were occupied by deputies from the extreme right, anti-Soviet and anti-communist party "Patriotic People's Movement" (IKL). In this alignment of political forces, steps taken in secret from parliament to drag Finland into the war on the side of fascist Germany could provoke a very sharp reaction. Moreover, on June 20, President Risto Ryti met with deputies of the Social Democratic parliamentary faction and assured them that Finnish troops would not be used to attack the Soviet Union. And on the eve of this meeting, on June 19, the leader of the Social Democrats, one of the country's most influential politicians V. Tanner (Minister of Foreign Affairs during the "winter war") at a meeting of leaders of trade union and workers organizations said that "our troops will be used only for defense countries, but not for offensive action. "
        At dawn on June 25, the Soviet leadership presented Finnish supporters of the “revenge war” with a gift that he did not even dare to dream about (perhaps this “gift” was organized by the German allies, but more on that later). To the accompaniment of bombs exploding in the suburbs of Helsinki, Prime Minister Rangel from the rostrum of the parliament said: “The air raids against our country, the bombing of defenseless cities, the killing of civilians - all this is clearer than any diplomatic assessments, showed what the attitude of the Soviet Union towards Finland. This is war. The Soviet Union repeated the attack with which it tried to break the resistance of the Finnish people in the “winter war” of 1939–1940. As then, we will defend our country. ”
        On the evening of June 25, the parliament decided to consider Finland in a state of war against the USSR. The next day, June 26, 1941, the president of the country R. Ruti made a radio message to the nation: “... Now that the Soviet Union, in connection with the war between Germany and the USSR, has spread its military operations to Finland, attacking civilians, our duty to defend ourselves, and we will do so decisively and unanimously with all the moral and military means at our disposal. Our opportunities to get out of this second defensive war successfully this time are completely different than they were the last time when we were under the onslaught of the eastern giant. The armed forces of great Germany under the leadership of the brilliant leader Chancellor Hitler successfully fight with us against the armed forces of the USSR known to us ... The Soviet Union will no longer be able to put up against our armed forces that crushing superior force that last time made our defensive struggle hopeless.
        Now the Soviet Union has been found to be equal in number in an equal fight, and the success of our defensive struggle is ensured ”[17].
  45. -1
    13 November 2018 18: 12
    I hope that this clown receives money from such journalism not from the state budget, but from the sale of circulation and from advertising on the site.
  46. +2
    13 November 2018 18: 43
    in which Russia did they die? in the USSR, like dogs, they died of hunger and cold, okay, at least not like Hungarians, they didn’t seem to be noticed in the burning of civilians of Voronezh villages alive
    but collaboration is the right word, only collaborators are not Parisian girls with low social responsibility, but Voronezh, such as Morozov, named "alim";)
  47. +4
    13 November 2018 18: 52
    As usual with us. An angry, heartbreaking account of the consequences. Without mentioning the reasons. The reason is decommunization / de-Sovietization, turning everything upside down, creating a mess in people's heads, coming exactly from the Kremlin. At the local level, officials understand everything perfectly well, and where they do not understand it, they just have a sense of what and how to do today in terms of "culture and ideology." This is the case throughout Russia now. Further it will be even more outrageous, even shocking. And the cause of the cause (i.e., the cause of decommunization) is the colonial reformatting of the post-Soviet space. Starting from the setting and ending with the basis. Or vice versa. It's not the same for everybody.
    1. +3
      13 November 2018 20: 15
      Quote: Arthur Evnevich
      On the ground, officials understand everything perfectly, but where they don’t understand, they just smell it with their senses - what should be done and how today

      Look at the root Arthur Evnevich. Chuika they have excellent on the winds from the superiors. It blew by "Orthodoxy" - communist subbotniks are organizing the construction of churches, they personally carry the bricks with their leading limbs, other winds blow - they will walk in turbans.
  48. +2
    13 November 2018 18: 59
    It’s time for these modern burgomasters to see where their predecessors turned out to be watching. They betrayed the memory of their ancestors.
  49. +5
    13 November 2018 19: 22
    "To the Italians who died in Russia".
    At all the monuments, Italians who found death on our land. Czechs, Germans, French and all other invaders should have only one inscription:
    "Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword."
    And the museum must certainly be nearby, where their deeds and atrocities are illuminated.
  50. +2
    13 November 2018 19: 39
    Yes. This is wrong.
    My opinion is that to fight the monument is a sin, it would be reasonable to try to change its appearance amicably by agreeing with the Italians, but to demolish it is ugly, let the Psheko-Chukhono-Sumerians do it. They are "not in a mess".
    But for the costumed parades and the extinguished eternal flame at our memorial to local officials, it would be necessary to please the whaling harpoon in a brown well until the oil fountain on the roof of the local administration doesn’t shoot ...
    PS: Yes, and the Italian's bones should be buried, otherwise it’s not humanly bricked up in bricks ...
    ZZY: I want a bath of white rum and to wake up in the Soviet Union tomorrow ...
  51. +4
    13 November 2018 20: 32
    I do not know how long this cycle can turn out, but the fact that a couple of articles did not get off is a fact.

    That's for sure. Here is another example from Armavir

    From Wiki:
    At the beginning of World War II, Garegin Nzhdeh began to cooperate with the German authorities, pursuing the goal, in case the Germans captured Transcaucasia, to prevent a possible Turkish invasion of Soviet Armenia and, if possible, with the help of Germany, restore Armenia’s independence [2].

    In 1942, on the initiative of the Nazi military administration, the Armenian National Council (Armenischen Nationalen Gremiums) was created, headed by Berlin University professor Artashes Abeghyan. Abeghyan invites Garegin Nzhdeh to participate in the work of the council[20]. In December 1942, Nzhdeh became one of the seven members of the Armenian National Council (created in Berlin) and deputy editor of the newspaper of the National Council “Azat Hayastan” (“Free Armenia”) (editor-in-chief - Abram Gyulkhandanyan [hy]).

    According to CIA documents declassified under the Nazi War Crimes Act, on September 1, 1945, the Armenian weekly Armenian Mirror-Spectator published a translation of the original German document, which indicated that the Armenian National Council, which included Dashnak leaders - Chairman Artashes Abegyan, Deputy Abram Fulkhandanyan, Harutyun Baghdasaryan, David Davidkhanyan, Garegin Nzhdeh, Vahan Papazyan, Dro Kanayan and Dertovmasyan - at one time approached the Nazi Minister of Eastern Occupied Territories Alfred Rosenberg with a proposal to create a German colony on the territory of Soviet Armenia [ 21].

    Nzhdeh and General Dro participated in agitation among Soviet Armenian prisoners of war, with the goal of recruiting volunteers for the so-called Armenian Legion, whose units were involved in battles in the North Caucasus, and later on the Western Front[9][22].

    According to the encyclopedia “The Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945”, more than 30 agents of Armenian origin were recruited on the territory of Bulgaria during the Nzhdeh War. He participated in their sabotage training, as well as in the transfer to the rear of the Soviet army for the purpose of conducting subversive activities[23].
    1. -1
      14 November 2018 17: 14
      The Armenians erected a large monument to this Nazi Nzhdeh in the center of Yerevan. Garegin Nzhdeh, a Nazi, an accomplice of Hitler, who fought against Soviet troops, against the Soviet system, has long been and is the pride of Armenia.
  52. +4
    13 November 2018 20: 33
    At a time when monuments to the Russian Soldier-Liberator began to be massively demolished throughout Europe, in Russia they honor the memory of the Nazis... This is complete INSANITY!!!!!
  53. +4
    13 November 2018 20: 47
    Quote: Olgovich
    The monument will be moved to the Italian military cemetery. .

    If in a number of European countries monuments to our soldiers and liberators are TEMPORATED and Europe, including Italy, quietly do not notice this, then it is not demolition, but simply the transfer of an Italian monument not to liberators, but to invaders and murderers, since one was installed by local corrupt bureaucratic s**t ***by me, it will be fully accepted with understanding, incl. and in Italy!
  54. +5
    13 November 2018 23: 48
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    Yes to me on a drum all these sides.
    Our country fought with those who have a monument in our territory !!! This is a shame for the country and for all of us.
    Our fought there with fascism, therefore, the monuments are.
    And then ... Would you erect a monument to those who came to kill your family, burn your house, even if the killers of the descendants erected a monument in their yard to those who were killed?
    A distinction must be made between criminals and their victims.
    Maybe put a monument to Koch and Höss?

    good good good hi
  55. -1
    14 November 2018 00: 37
    I don't understand the author of the article. On the territory of Russia there are hundreds, or even thousands, of abandoned burial places of soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. Overgrown with forest, forgotten. Who's stopping you from setting them up? No, we would rather advocate for the demolition of some Italian monument, which, in fact, has a conciliatory context and does not glorify anything or anyone. And how many organized burial places do we have in Russia for soldiers of the First World War who died in hospitals from their wounds? I will answer - not a single one. All have been demolished, built over, and rolled into asphalt.
  56. +2
    14 November 2018 04: 17
    I don’t even understand why there are their monuments and graves on our land! The article is good and correct, but it’s a paradox that in Novosibirsk the military refused to install a monument to Stalin request request request
    1. 0
      14 November 2018 20: 52
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      I don’t even understand why there are their monuments and graves on our land!

      Colleague, be objective - after all, the graves of our soldiers are also located in all the countries that we liberated during the Second World War and they are taken care of!
      1. +1
        14 November 2018 21: 41
        We liberated, and they came to conquer our country.
        1. 0
          14 November 2018 21: 48
          Quote: NordUral
          We liberated, and they came to conquer our country.

          Colleague, it is an absolute fact that they are conquerors, and we are defenders and liberators, but here is simple Christian, or human respect for the dust, nothing more!
          1. -1
            14 November 2018 21: 50
            Vadim! I don’t argue that this is the case among nations, but not among the planners.
            1. +1
              14 November 2018 21: 54
              Quote: NordUral
              I don’t argue that this is the case among nations, but not among the planners.

              Evgeniy, this is undeniable!
          2. +2
            15 November 2018 02: 13
            The ashes should rot where they were buried during the war. And the revanchists dragged the bones from the field to the city center and set up an artificial, illegal grave of an unknown fascist. It was important for them to capture the central public garden of the city. This is repeated moral occupation.
  57. +1
    14 November 2018 07: 54
    Are there elections at all? why do people choose them?
    1. -2
      14 November 2018 10: 25
      for example, because they built an excellent kindergarten.
  58. +1
    14 November 2018 12: 40
    Another example of the “dermocratic” initiatives of the provincial EBN team love
  59. +2
    14 November 2018 12: 49
    Can you really expect anything else from the Vlasovites and Banderaites in power? They strive to become Europeans, and here is such a reason.
  60. 0
    14 November 2018 13: 05
    Unfortunately, it will no longer be possible to remove it. In the 90s, unfortunately, they did a lot of absurd things. And indeed, the greed and lack of principle of the bureaucrats played a role here.
  61. +1
    14 November 2018 13: 07
    Somehow you have to get used to it, it turns out that the grandfathers, with all due respect to them, did not fight for this country.
    Those who compiled the Prague Manifesto, all 14 points, fought for what is visible around us now.
    With the anthem, it’s true, the country is wide, not the fields, but with the flag it’s spot on.
  62. +1
    14 November 2018 14: 52
    no words ...
    As brigade commander Serpilin (Anatoly Papanov) said from “The Living and the Dead”: “Without honor, without conscience.” I deliberately left out "Without Faith".
    1. 0
      14 November 2018 20: 33
      But they missed it in vain, because the meaning is no longer complete, and there is no quotation at all. Namely, the element you deliberately omitted clearly indicates how this story should actually be approached.
  63. -1
    14 November 2018 20: 30
    In any business, the subjective side is also important.
    In order to draw a conclusion about what all this means, it is important to understand what meaning the Italians themselves put into it all, what they did all this.
    How they see it.
    It is possible that the author’s paranoid position will shock them, because nothing of the kind was in their thoughts, their actions are completely sincere, and remembering ancestors, even those who are far from ideal and who have caused great mischief, is a long-standing tradition, including a Christian one.
    1. +1
      14 November 2018 21: 39
      alex-defensor! And look at the photographs carefully. I don’t see any remorse for the past on their faces. And about “ours” you can’t say it so easily in words.
    2. 0
      15 November 2018 02: 08
      https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/content/201808241352-z30e.htm/201810311059-9d6h.htm
      The revanchists brought the bones to the city center in a sneaky manner, secretly, and walled them up in a pedestal. thus creating the symbolic grave of an unknown fascist. And they didn’t smoke, but shot women and children, not to mention our soldiers.
  64. +2
    14 November 2018 20: 45
    Good article, much needed, thanks to the authors! A wish for them - in the following parts, do not forget to list by name our liberals, who in peacetime, from 91 to the present, destroyed so many former Soviet people that those shooters never dreamed of! Yes, we have half, if not more, of our “elite” in the first generation, especially the current managers, either on the salary of the West, or they were bought in green cash back when they could have first grabbed and then destroyed everything they could with that money ! This is who is truly dangerous to our country at the moment! Rossosh and its officials are our country in miniature, it’s all about the scale and consequences - if in Rossosh it’s more about the moral and ideological side, then in our country everything is much more complex and serious, including the consequences. The people were deprived of any opportunity to influence the situation, hence the problems, but, unfortunately, they are only our problems, the oligarchs and their bureaucrats are doing great, they can’t pass laws against themselves that could curtail their rights and appetites, otherwise and God forbid, stealing will not be allowed at all! hi
    1. 0
      15 November 2018 02: 09
      https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/content/201808241352-z30e.htm/201810311059-9d6h.htm
  65. +1
    14 November 2018 21: 37
    There are a lot of political whores in the country.
  66. 0
    14 November 2018 23: 27
    My dad is a native of the Voronezh region, from the Don, and he was captured by the Italians in the Donbass, but then handed over to the Nazis; it was only by miracle that he survived in the concentration camp, and then only because a simple German miner secretly (when they were deep underground and not in front of Gestapo informants) fed from his meager brake. That German’s son went missing on the Eastern Front and he told my future father that maybe his son was alive, in Soviet captivity, and the Russian people would also help him with a piece of bread...
    And with the Rossoshan monument to an unknown Italian fascist, a very vile story turned out - a huge outrage against the memory of our fathers and grandfathers, and all those who were killed and dispossessed by these uninvited “guests”!
    Now we need to do everything right - demolish the sign of the fascist Sabbath - worship ... so that there is no place left of it, throw away the “museum owner” with a filthy broom and replace the exposition of his underground fascist “panopticon” according to what these occupiers deserve with their " heroic feats"!
    The local authorities would have to give it a whack so that others could learn, but this is probably unlikely - “hand washes hand”?!
    1. +1
      15 November 2018 02: 09
      https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/content/201808241352-z30e.htm/201810311059-9d6h.htm
      1. 0
        15 November 2018 03: 49
        hi Thank you, dear Nikolai Alexandrovich Savchenko! But, according to the conditions of Washington “freedom” and “democracy”, the Russian website of TV “Zvezda” is criminally prohibited for me, like many other Russian ones, alas, I am constantly “categorically reminded” of this.
        I hope to read the continuation of this unsightly story on the still accessible Topvar.Ru.
        From your comment below, I realized that we have the same views on the vile Rossoshan episode and this bad “tendency” of humiliated “reconciliation” imposed (by “strangers” and “our own” “businessmen”) with the unrepentant, revenge-seeking, Hitlerite “pan-European” military criminals, their followers and assorted hangers-on.
        Health and success to you in counteracting Nazi-fascism, which is being revived by Washington (and, controlled by the United States, “Common Europe”)!
  67. +4
    15 November 2018 02: 01
    Dear author Roman Skomorokhov, would you like to receive all the information first-hand? My name is Nikolay Savchenko. And I have all the reliable information about this shameful story of our corrupt officials and corrupt local historian. Where the hated hat with a feather stands (not a cap, as you call it) there was no burial from the war. And this is the most important fact. The bones were brought there to the pedestal from a wartime field cemetery by black diggers from among the revanchists in feathered hats. They did it secretly, in a vile manner, but at the same time they saluted, this symbolic grave was consecrated by the chaplain and they laid wreaths and flowers. And only 10 years later, out of vanity, the revanchists wrote the book “Operation Smile. Return to Rossosh” in which they cynically boasted of the blasphemy they had committed. And we don’t have any Italian cemetery yet. And Cemetery No. 7 was so nicknamed by the people because of the monument erected without any reason (whatever one may say) to the soldiers of the fascist regime of Mussolini. In fact, this is a monument to the glory of the fascist “heroes” who shot not only our soldiers, whom we are still reburying, but women, old people and INNOCENT CHILDREN. And enough emotions. Let's go. It is necessary to carefully look at the CRIMINAL CODE and open a criminal case about the corruption of former and current officials, about the rehabilitation and glorification of the allies of Hitler's Germany, about the illegal manipulation of human remains and the illegal transfer of the remains of soldiers of the fascist army from a field cemetery to the city center at a time when throughout Europe the remains of our LIBERATING SOLDIERS are being transferred from city centers to cemeteries. So, dear author, write to me by email [email protected] and you will learn a lot of interesting things about the museum and how everything was from the very beginning. https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/content/201808241352-z30e.htm/201810311059-9d6h.htm
    1. 0
      15 November 2018 21: 26
      Dear Nikolai Alexandrovich, thank you for your concern and active life position, everything turns out to be not exactly as the author wrote! The author, to put it mildly, softened Situyovina, but still, thanks to him for the article!
  68. +2
    15 November 2018 05: 22
    It was necessary to erect another monument there: a dead Italian fascist is lying in the shit, and our soldier, who stuck a bayonet into this asshole, sits next to him and smokes!

    And for the then managers of Rossoshi, the Italians simply drooled something from their generosity... And that’s all. Everything is so clear...
    After all, we always had enough of such gloom... hmm... such kindness as the then managers of Rossoshi... Alas...
  69. +2
    16 November 2018 07: 14
    The stupidity, hypocrisy and greed of our officials is amazing....
  70. +1
    16 November 2018 07: 18
    I didn’t know about this fact... Thanks to the author, very good article.
  71. +1
    16 November 2018 07: 24
    And by the way, the vile deeds of the Italians in Russia are not limited to the framework of the 2nd World War. Read about how their saboteurs blew up the battleship Novorossiysk in 1955...

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