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Chinese Air Force for the first time demonstrated the four Chengdu J-20 aerobatics

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On the final day of the international air show in Zhuhai, the spectators saw for the first time the flight of four Chinese J-20 fighters at the same time. Recall that according to the Chinese classification they belong to the fourth, to the western - to the fifth generation of fighters.


Chinese Air Force for the first time demonstrated the four Chengdu J-20 aerobatics


Four of the newest PLA Air Force fighters flew over the main site of the Zhuhai Aviation Forum at an altitude of about 50 meters.

After that, the performance of an aerobatic performance began, including the Nesterov loop, the fixed barrel, and others. The planes, divided into two pairs, demonstrated elements of air combat with a combat reversal of fighters. The pair pilotage took place at a distance of 10-20 m from each other.

Fighters J-20 made a few laps over the viewing platform. At one of the circles, the pilots demonstrated the internal compartments of the aircraft for air-to-air missiles of various types.

Chinese media in enthusiastic tones speak of the demonstration flight of 4-x PLA Air Force fighters.



The airshow with the J-20 maneuverability capabilities was timed to coincide with the 69 anniversary of the formation of the Chinese air force.

Recall that Chengdu J-20 is a multi-purpose Chinese fighter with stealth characteristics. The practical ceiling is 20 km, the range is 2 thousand km. Maximum take-off weight - 36 tons. The maximum thrust of engines at the afterburner is about 14,2 tons. According to the latest data, there are six such combat vehicles in the Chinese Air Force.
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      2. Azazelo
        Azazelo 11 November 2018 14: 20
        +1
        You say it too. Standard delta wing, slat design. The structure of the tail and stabilizers under them greatly increases the EPR, and also indicates the instability of the aircraft when firing rockets at a super sound. I don’t know that everything is so worn with this plane .... the tail is like that of the F22, the face is like that of the F35, well, the slats were put in to give greater maneuverability and stability. The whole thing in the brains of the aircraft, if the Chinese have made an integrated combat system, then the norms, if not, then the trough is no better than SU35.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 11 November 2018 14: 26
          +7
          Quote: Azazelo

          Standard delta wing, slat design ...
          ..the slats were put in to give greater maneuverability and stability

          You probably meant PGU - front horizontal tail? And slats, this is from the field of take-off and landing devices, are akin to flaps. hi
          1. Azazelo
            Azazelo 11 November 2018 14: 33
            0
            That's right, a reservation, thanks.
        2. poquello
          poquello 11 November 2018 14: 53
          +9
          Quote: Azazelo
          not any better than SU35.

          interesting comparison, is su35 so bad in your understanding? this despite the fact that in some parameters drying exceeds bourgeois fy
          1. edge
            edge 11 November 2018 18: 36
            +1
            Quote: poquello
            interesting comparison, is su35 so bad in your understanding?

            yeah, given that this is a Jewish saabr on Russian engines ..... hi
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 November 2018 22: 21
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            this despite the fact that in some parameters drying exceeds bourgeois fy

          3. serg2301
            serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 31
            +2
            This J20, with the Su-35 was not near, neither in terms of energy, nor in maneuverability, nor in terms of armament of weapons on board. On it are our old engines from the Su-27, the 80s, and the design of the 80s, this is our MiG-1.44. Otherwise, they would not have bought Su-35 from us if this J20 is such a 5th generation superfood.
        3. VIT101
          VIT101 11 November 2018 16: 31
          +6
          Quote: Azazelo
          Tail like F22, muzzle like F35


          The layout scheme is one in one our MIG 1.44. Only the air intakes are located differently.

          There is an inaccuracy in the author's text: the thrust of one engine on afterburner is 14,2 tons.
          1. hrych
            hrych 12 November 2018 00: 47
            +3
            Quote: VIT101
            one to one our MIG 1.44.

            The Chinese, if they had not hidden something, they would not have been Chinese. Here is our dead-end sample and took as a basis. Firstly, the copy is always worse, and secondly, if ours refused this scheme, then apparently they had a reason. Of course, about the Stealth with such "duck" rudders the size of the wings of a J-10 or MiG-21, the EPR simply cries with burning tears.
            1. serg2301
              serg2301 12 November 2018 01: 08
              0
              It was not so dead-end 30 years ago. It's just that he suffered the fate of the Buran and our aircraft-carrying ships. The collapse of the country, lack of funding.
              1. hrych
                hrych 12 November 2018 01: 55
                -1
                Quote: serg2301
                It's just that he suffered the fate of the Buran and our aircraft-carrying ships.

                The Buran, as well as the Space Shuttle deadlocks, just ours had only one flight, and they needed to lose half of the ships and 14 astronauts. Moreover, the Shuttle only burned a large fuel tank (even boosters were reusable), and Buran burned the most expensive and powerful Energy rocket. Moreover, it at the start failed because of a flawed side suspension. As for the laser cannon, as for Buran, she almost at the start due to a critical blockage almost screwed up, but only the unique power pulled this burden. Therefore, the economic situation has nothing to do with it, here the damage to the concept is even relatively defective Shuttle. And the Shuttle fell into mites of inferiority at launch (the use of solid fuel accelerators with uncontrolled engine operation and the combustion chamber of the accelerator at the level of the main fuel tank) and during landing (problems of thermal protection).
                MIG has 1.44. huge duck wheels, huge protruding air intakes and tail feathers also add EPR, which is not suitable for Stealth. And most importantly, as an aircraft engineer, you see that with such air intakes, rockets can only be suspended under the wings, there is no way to remove them in the abdomen. laughing And to hang rockets under the intakes / ducts, well, not really ... The Su-57 has duck rudders smoothly turning into the wing, the air intakes are licked and the tail unit is at the level, there is an internal rocket-bomb compartment. And the Chinese bought documentation, they licked the air intakes, took them from the belly to the side, an internal bomb bay appeared between the air ducts and forward.

        4. igorj 51
          igorj 51 11 November 2018 16: 56
          -1
          if not, the trough is no better than SU35.

          Oh how ..! So Su - 35 has already become a flying "trough" ..? And just recently, all the patriots here called him nothing but a super wunderwolf, which surpassed even the American F -22 and F -35. Wonderful are your deeds, Lord .. :))
          1. hrych
            hrych 12 November 2018 00: 59
            +2
            Quote: igorj 51
            here all cheers patriots called him nothing more than a super wunderwaffle

            So it’s your all-scribblers that magnified it so much wassat Regardless of what the patriots say and what the proponents say, the Su-35 has a TTX superior to the F-22 and F-35, in terms of speed, ceiling, armament, capabilities and range of detection of radar and optical radar, the possibility of using electronic warfare, and certainly only loses in the EPR. The only one to whom the Su-35 loses in terms of flight performance and armament in the world, only the Migu-31th. And this is not a matter of faith, not a matter of discussion, it is a given.
          2. svp67
            svp67 12 November 2018 07: 23
            0
            Quote: igorj 51
            So Su - 35 has already become a flying "trough" ..?

            It seems that your knowledge of the Russian language is very superficial. If in that text you understand this meaning.
        5. serg2301
          serg2301 12 November 2018 01: 00
          0
          Worse. And maneuverability and armament. Yes, the Russian engines are 40 years old.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2018 14: 11
    +6
    Well done sworn friends ... Do not stand still ....
    1. Herald of the Revolution
      Herald of the Revolution 11 November 2018 14: 14
      -21
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well done

      And these are real products that are already on the conveyor, and not cartoons that we see every day on TV. hi
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 11 November 2018 14: 20
        +10
        Quote: Herald of Revy
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Well done

        And these are real products that are already on the conveyor, and not cartoons that we see every day on TV. hi

        those. TV Channel Zvezda, today you showed a cartoon in the Military Reception, where was the four Su-57 as well?
        already standing on the conveyor

        did you read the article?
        According to the latest data, there are six such combat vehicles in the PRC Air Force.
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 11 November 2018 14: 31
          -25
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          was the four Su-57?

          And what's the point? It has already been announced that everything will practically be limited to this four ... They will buy a tiny batch of 12 aircraft in order to have something to boast about ... and even then I strongly doubt that they will even buy so much. With armature the same story ...
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          did you read the article?

          Read. I just have no doubt that they will bring the plane to mind and put on stream. And all this in the shortest possible time.
          1. serg2301
            serg2301 12 November 2018 01: 13
            0
            Who announced this to you? Personally, in your ear. Now 9 planes fly, 12 are ordered by MO. What are you talking about? Not those who announce.
            1. Tarhan
              Tarhan 12 November 2018 09: 37
              +1
              Who announced this to you?

              As for the Su-57 and Almaty, the following people announced.

              Vladimir Gutenev Vladimir (born March 27, 1966) is a Russian political and public figure. Member of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the sixth and seventh convocation, chairman of the State Duma commission on legal support for the development of defense industry organizations, first deputy chairman of the State Duma committee on economic policy, industry, innovative development and entrepreneurship [1], non-partisan. First Vice-President of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia. President of the Defense Enterprises Promotion League Association.

              Yuri Ivanovich Borisov (born December 31, 1956, Vyshny Volochyok, Kalinin Region, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian politician, deputy chairman of the government of the Russian Federation on military-industrial complex issues since May 18, 2018. Acting State Advisor to the Russian Federation, 1st class (2013), Doctor of Technical Sciences. Hero of the Russian Federation (2018)

              The opinions of these people.

              "In an era of rapid technological development, the fifth generation Su-57 fighter will quickly become obsolete, so we need to focus on developing a new, sixth, generation aircraft ...
              “Su-57 will not be massively procured in the interests of the aerospace forces ...
              The most important thing is why the deputy confirms that the Russian Air Force, in fact, abandon the aircraft, which had such hopes and in the development of which such gigantic funds were invested? ...
              Gutenev emphasized: he agrees with the opinion of the new curator of the defense industry, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, and, in the recent past, Deputy Minister of Defense. There is no point in speeding up the mass production of the Su-57, Borisov said on Monday on the Russia 24 channel ...
        2. serg2301
          serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 22
          0
          Nine fly. The last one is with number 12. For various reasons, three are being finalized. Look at the military reception today. Just about the Su-57.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 11 November 2018 14: 32
        +15
        Quote: Herald of Revia
        And these are real products that are already on the conveyor, and not cartoons that we see every day on TV.

        A real video with aerobatics of the Su-57 has already been posted on the network before the fig. And you are still watching all the cartoons on the Karusel channel about Baba Yaga in a mortar and about Carlson with a propeller negative
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 11 November 2018 14: 35
          -18
          Quote: Piramidon
          real video uploaded

          The video can be laid out and dofigisha ... but the Indians, for example, all these videos somehow were not at all impressed .... So the plane is not as good as the MO tells us.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 11 November 2018 14: 53
            +8
            Quote: Herald of Revia
            but the Indians, for example, all these videos somehow did not impress at all ....

            Found awesome experts too. Yes, these gypsies will hang themselves for a rupee, trying, as always, to bring down the price. Look, what songs and dances they have arranged with the same "Raphael".
            1. Herald of the Revolution
              Herald of the Revolution 11 November 2018 15: 02
              -22
              Quote: Piramidon
              Look what songs and dances they are with the same "Raphael"

              I do not argue with this ... But this does not cancel the fact that the Su 57 plane is not just raw ... but initially unsuccessful and most likely the 5th generation will have to be redone. And by the way, indirectly, experts associated with the Ministry of Defense confirm this, saying that the 6th generation is already starting to do it.
              I just read between the lines and compare the facts.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 11 November 2018 15: 10
                +12
                Quote: Herald of Revia
                I just read between the lines and compare the facts.

                You just attract what is beneficial to your ears.
                Su 57 plane is not just raw ... but initially unsuccessful

                And here are the facts, or is it just nonsense of a sofa expert?
                6th generation is already starting to do.

                I realized that you live far from reality. Unconditionally believing everything posted on the network.
                Tear yourself away from the monitor and go outside.
                1. Herald of the Revolution
                  Herald of the Revolution 11 November 2018 15: 24
                  -10
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  And here are the facts, or is it just nonsense of a sofa expert?

                  This is evidenced by Western experts, for example, and some in Russia. Well, Western opinion is not held in high esteem here ... but just look at the statistics with the same f 35 (which they don’t pour any dirt on), which has already been bought up by more than 4k and orders are still pouring in like a cornucopia. And yet, all the info on testing and defects of the 35th is in the public domain, which can not be said about su 57.

                  Quote: Piramidon
                  You just attract what is beneficial to your ears.

                  in fact, I will be glad if I am mistaken.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 11 November 2018 15: 56
                    +4
                    Quote: Herald of Revia
                    but just look at the statistics with the same f 35 ... which has already been bought up by more than 4k and orders are still pouring in like a cornucopia.

                    This is when the Yankees stand with a club over their heads and hammer - buy, buy. I found also "independent", "independent" partners of the USA laughing Yes, they do not even go to the pot without the permission of the "hegemon" and you are trying to powder everyone's brains about buying some planes. negative
                  2. vadson
                    vadson 11 November 2018 19: 47
                    +3
                    35 light fighter to correctly compare it with the moment 29-35 and heavy fighter 15 fighters at the Yankees 1500 pieces + roughly 200 f 22, I mean it. we have heavy fighter su xnumx. 27, 30 are also made about 35 pieces - indicators are comparable
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 12 November 2018 01: 34
                      0
                      Quote: vadson
                      35 light fighter to correctly compare it with the moment 29-35 and heavy fighter 15 fighters at the Yankees 1500 pieces + roughly 200 f 22, I mean it. we have heavy fighter su xnumx. 27, 30 are also made about 35 pieces - indicators are comparable

                      I am wondering, why do we need to chase the United States quantitatively if we have an ocean between our continents in the problem book?
                      Now for the most ...
                      50 Su-27, 10 Su-27UB, 45 Su-27СМ and 14 Su-27СМ3 as of 2017 year-old 119 machines.
                      In the ranks at the beginning of 2018 there are: Su-30М2 - 20, Su-30СМ - 104, Su-35С - 70-total 194 machines.
                      SU-34-109 units, as of 2018 year ...
                      The total number of 422 machines.
                      The aerospace forces of the Russian Federation - 90 MiG-29, 30 MiG-29UB, 40 MiG-29СМТ and 8 MiG-29UBM, as of 2016 year-old 168 machines.
                      6 Air Force and Air Defense Army - 28 MiG-29СМТ and 6 MiG-29UBT, as of 2016 year [18]
                      4 Air Force and Air Defense Army - 63 MiG-29-total 97 vehicles
                      Aviation of the Navy of the Russian Federation - 19 MiG-29K and 4 MiG-29KUB, as of 2016 year-total 23 aircraft ..
                      Even with MIG-29 it turns out 710 machines. The question is, where does 1500 come from?
                      I won’t give the exact number of the mattress fighter fleet, but if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, there are about 1800 cars ... now, taking into account the F-35, maybe more.
                2. serg2301
                  serg2301 12 November 2018 01: 14
                  0
                  Delirium couch expert Yes.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 11 November 2018 22: 28
                +3
                Quote: Herald of Revia
                But this does not negate the fact that the 57 aircraft is not just raw ... but initially unsuccessful and most likely the 5 generation will have to be re-created.

                Dear, but from this place in more detail. You will not be so kind as to tell what it was unsuccessful from the beginning and what Russian vegetable is it raw from, if you have not yet gone into the series?
            2. serg2301
              serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 44
              0
              Five points
        2. serg2301
          serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 18
          +1
          Uncle slept the last seven years
      3. serg2301
        serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 09
        +1
        Uncle, what are you talking about? We have nine Su-57s flying, 12 are ordered by the MO with new dvigunami. The Chinese, the J20, is generally our pro-old 31st engine; we have the 35st, another generation on the Su-41. Their fifth generation, that J20, that J31-cheap show-offs. On the 31st there are two Migov engines of the 80s. These are real cartoons.
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    3. Irokez
      Irokez 11 November 2018 15: 34
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well done sworn friends.

      Even the impression that maneuverability is not up to par.
    4. edge
      edge 11 November 2018 18: 39
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well done sworn friends ... Do not stand still ....

      ..... for sure, they buy and steal, they steal and buy- (that's the whole point of Chinese civilization)
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  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2018 14: 15
    +6
    A strange impression of this plane. It was as if it was designed - like a horse was drawn in a famous film ... You are legs, you are head, I am tail ... Flies, however ... Time will tell ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 11 November 2018 14: 55
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A strange impression of this plane. It was as if it was designed - like a horse was drawn in a famous film ... You are legs, you are head, I am tail ... Flies, however ... Time will tell ...

      heavy in appearance
  5. cokol-xnumx
    cokol-xnumx 11 November 2018 14: 16
    +2
    Well, I don’t like the design, somehow clumsy, like the 50s ...
    1. serg2301
      serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 13
      0
      This is the design of the MiG 1.44, 80s
  6. Pivot
    Pivot 11 November 2018 14: 19
    +3
    Why are we deleting all comments?
  7. donavi49
    donavi49 11 November 2018 14: 20
    +14
    Video forgot


    Compartments
    1. NN52
      NN52 11 November 2018 18: 04
      +4


      And let's see such a beauty of aerobatics ....
      1. serg2301
        serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 49
        +1
        You can see such beauty. Bogdan knows a lot about Su-57.
  8. Fedorov
    Fedorov 11 November 2018 14: 22
    +2
    Only here they can’t flat corkscrew with instant turn. But well done! with Russian engines. They copied their own from the Russians, but they do not pull anyway.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 11 November 2018 14: 41
      +4
      Quote: Fedorov
      They copied their own from the Russians, but they do not pull anyway.

      They pull, but only while the resource of these engines is very small. Engines remain the Achilles heel of Chinese aircraft. There is no doubt that over time they will overcome this gap. The road will be overpowered by the walker, as they say. And modern China does not just go, but runs the fastest.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 November 2018 14: 52
        0
        Resource, by the way, is not very good among Russian ... During the service, the Indian Su-30s are changed twice in a pair of engines. The F-16 for the same period of time and the same flying hours change once one engine.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 11 November 2018 15: 07
          +20
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Resource, by the way, and the Russian is not very ...

          hi There is a difference in resources, but not so huge. There is an absolute difference in approaches to maintenance: American engines do not change so often because they serve "as-is." That is, more advanced diagnostics and high qualifications of the service personnel are needed.

          In the USSR / Russia, the approach is somewhat different, although it is changing. Engines, after a certain number of working hours, are simply replaced and sent for testing and verification at service points. This does not mean that they have developed their own resource!
        2. 123456789
          123456789 11 November 2018 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Resource, by the way, is not very good among Russian ... During the service, the Indian Su-30s are changed twice in a pair of engines. The F-16 for the same period of time and the same flying hours change once one engine.

          This is relevant only for peacetime ...
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 11 November 2018 19: 03
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Resource, by the way, is not very good among Russian ... During the service, the Indian Su-30s are changed twice in a pair of engines. The F-16 for the same period of time and the same flying hours change once one engine.

          Why did you decide to compare different class aircraft?
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 12 November 2018 11: 04
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Resource, by the way, is not very good among Russian ... During the service, the Indian Su-30s are changed twice in a pair of engines. The F-16 for the same period of time and the same flying hours change once one engine.

          And why do not you compare the resource of the F-16 engine with the resource of the Tu-95 engine (5000 hp)?
      2. edge
        edge 11 November 2018 18: 43
        +2
        Quote: kjhg
        There is no doubt that over time they will overcome this gap.

        it's debatable, metallurgy has always been for them the most painful place, and without alloys anywhere
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  10. dvina71
    dvina71 11 November 2018 14: 25
    +2
    Of course, I’m not an aircraft designer .., but as a driver I know that the greater the distance between the axles, the greater the turning radius .. Wings spaced in this way will not affect vertical maneuverability?
    The su - 30 and the proportions are not the same and PGO almost merges with the main.
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 November 2018 14: 49
    +6
    They showed and J-10 single-engine with new rotary nozzle engines. How he "Pugachev's cobra" makes other "cool" figures.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 11 November 2018 16: 04
      +6
      Video here, the normal level for OBT. The only question is whether it will only be a demonstrator - such as the MiG-29OVT or go to the serial person.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 12 November 2018 21: 54
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Video here, the normal level for OBT.

        OBT of one engine or two are slightly different things. And so, you’re right, the Chinese have advanced far.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 November 2018 14: 58
    0
    "the latest data, there are six such combat vehicles in the PRC Air Force" ////
    ----
    According to the latter - there is one squadron of at least 20 combat-ready fighters
  13. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 11 November 2018 15: 10
    +3
    Well, the plane and the plane - flies and does not fall, that's all. Aerobatics turns. The rest of the data from the manufacturer. Naturally, the Chinese will say that their aircraft is better than the Russian Su-27, and what is better - "stealth", and who checked - you don't believe us? The Chinese have all weapons "better" than ours, especially the copied ones. In practice, however, this is far from the case, but these details do not interest anyone, really!
  14. HAM
    HAM 11 November 2018 15: 12
    +7
    In principle, we do not know (and will not find out) what kind of "childhood" diseases (and not only children) this aircraft has, and I have no doubt that they have. The Americans have spent so much time and effort, and their plane is "damp" , but the Yankees have their own aviation SCHOOL, not a booty. Although the Chinese are so stubborn ... And about the criticism of our SU57, I think that our military engineers saw these diseases in time, remember the history of SU27 ...
  15. 501Legion
    501Legion 11 November 2018 15: 27
    +3
    the Chinese do not have their own face in aviation, everything is taken from everywhere
  16. Naughty
    Naughty 11 November 2018 15: 29
    0
    Quote: Herald of Revy
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well done

    And this real products that are already on the conveyor, but not the cartoons that we are shown on TV every day. hi

    Just like it or not And they are Chinese! in the broadest sense of the word wassat
  17. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 11 November 2018 15: 31
    0
    Ugly plane, but as someone said, an ugly plane will not fly well
    1. Sarcasm
      Sarcasm 11 November 2018 16: 15
      -5
      Yes, this man’s design bureau created the ugliest Tu95 wassat
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 11 November 2018 20: 13
        0
        What are you saying ?! Yes, you are simply a clear MegaExpert in the field of technical design !!!
        Only now I personally give you a "two" for this discipline - as an obvious truant, a complete dilettante and a person with a lack of a sense of beauty!
        1. Sarcasm
          Sarcasm 13 November 2018 23: 25
          0
          You don’t have a sense of beauty, but I’m an artistic person. The 95 looks like a drisen with a swollen chin. Compare heaven and earth with b52.
    2. 123456789
      123456789 11 November 2018 16: 21
      +3
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Ugly plane, but as someone said, an ugly plane will not fly well

      Only beautiful planes fly well! A.N. Tupolev.
      "For a plane to fight well, it must be beautiful." Marcel Daso.
  18. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 11 November 2018 15: 53
    +2
    Looks ugly))
    What about the engines?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 November 2018 16: 06
      0
      The resource of these engines is the same as that of their machines - low.
  19. on it
    on it 11 November 2018 16: 19
    +1
    Cows try to turn their faces in the face from the wind, making it easier for rain to drip. But is there any additional meaning to this behavior? Indeed, from the point of view of aerodynamics, four forces can act on a body moving in a stream of air. The thrust directed forward resists the braking resistance, which is associated with the shape of the object and with the friction of the gas on its surface. If, due to the geometry of the body, an air stream of reduced pressure is created above it, and increased air under it, then a lifting force arises. With sufficient air velocity, it can even exceed the weight pulling down. It turns out that with a certain shape of the body and the required wind power, cows can ... fly up?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 November 2018 17: 45
      +1
      During a tornado, cows fly especially well - however, like everything else.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 November 2018 17: 52
        +5
        May bug, according to the laws of aerodynamics, generally should not fly ... but he does not know about it ...
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 11 November 2018 16: 38
    +3
    Quote: Herald of Revia
    this does not negate the fact that the su 57 plane is not just raw ... but initially unsuccessful and most likely the 5th generation will have to be redone.

    Yes, here an expert of the highest category was formed: D
    I don’t know how people don’t feel shame when they write such murk.
    1. serg2301
      serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 50
      0
      Five points
  21. Samara_63
    Samara_63 11 November 2018 16: 49
    0
    By Japan, the Air Force is stronger
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 November 2018 17: 16
    0
    How the girls from Tatu sang there, they won’t catch us. But you don’t need to sleep, or they will even overtake.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 November 2018 17: 58
      0
      Quote: Ros 56

      How the girls from Tatu sang there, they won’t catch us.

      and "I'm out of my mind, I need her .."
  23. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 November 2018 17: 34
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    I believe that colleagues from bmpd from this very event posted pictures of the internal compartments of these machines, which made it possible to massively amuse the air forces of the whole world.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 November 2018 17: 52
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      And that - missiles for 8 internal compartments is enough. In addition to the lower one, it also has lateral ones - there are compartments built into the air intakes.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 11 November 2018 18: 40
        +2
        In the pictures you can see 4 V-B missiles, which completely occupy the main compartment and along the compartment on the 1 missile on the side. It is not good to lie when facts are poked right in the face.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 November 2018 22: 52
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        He takes as much as F-22 in the internal compartments: 4 long-range missiles and 2 close combat.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 11 November 2018 22: 58
          -1
          This is called the "plane from the 80s".
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 11 November 2018 23: 25
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            What to do, that the Americans made their "Su-57" back in the 80s. We hurried. laughing
            Now the software has to painfully rewrite-rewrite under modern standards.
            1. serg2301
              serg2301 12 November 2018 00: 38
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              You're off topic bro, I'm sorry.
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 12 November 2018 07: 00
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              They created a highly specialized F-22 and equally bad all over the F-35.
  24. Turist1996
    Turist1996 11 November 2018 20: 04
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    That the appearance of him is "not that" - a trough of some kind .. With wings ..
  25. NF68
    NF68 11 November 2018 23: 05
    +1
    This is what this "backward" China is like.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 12 November 2018 07: 01
      -1
      And he really does a retarded time hybrid F-22 and MiG-1.44 with all their shortcomings.
  26. Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 12 November 2018 01: 42
    +1

    Find 10 differences...…
  27. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 12 November 2018 11: 22
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    In general, the correspondent of the Military Acceptance would not hurt to add to the words about "powerful brains inside the plane," that these really powerful brains should be inside the cockpit ...
    I look with delight at the flights of the 57th and 35th, but each time I ask myself a question; and how many such pilots do we have for all VKS?
    Apitna, slush, yes ...?