WP: Unprecedented Conference on Afghanistan returns Russia to the big game

The American press is actively discussing Russia's foreign policy, which is connected with attempts to resolve the political crisis in Afghanistan. At this point in this country, the central government controls far from the entire territory. A significant part of Afghanistan is controlled by representatives of the Taliban movement *, and in the north of the country, the influence of the ISIL terrorist group * banned in Russia is growing.

In the newspaper The Washington Post There was a material in which it says that Russia has finally returned to global politics. The fact cites the meeting of Sergey Lavrov with representatives of Afghan officials and members of the top Taliban movement. The fact that the two, actually hostile, parties managed to sit down at the negotiating table, some American media called the "phenomenal success" of Russia.

From the material:

Russia held an unprecedented conference on Afghanistan. This is against the background of the fact that coalitions led by the United States have failed to establish peace on Afghan soil and contribute to intra-Afghan reconciliation.

It was noted that Moscow had demonstrated readiness for dialogue in order to cut the Afghan knot, even with those persons who are members of an organization prohibited by the Supreme Court.

It should be noted that we are talking about the Moscow meeting of five Taliban and six members of the High Peace Council of Afghanistan, in contact with the government of the country. Afghan representatives after the completion of the negotiations stated that the Moscow format of consultations on the settlement of the Afghan conflict should be continued.

It is noteworthy that not only representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but foreign ministries of such countries as Pakistan, China, India and Iran acted as mediators at the meeting in Moscow.

The official meeting of the United States Moscow meeting caused a painful reaction. So, we should expect new provocations. Will they announce the discovery of a “Russian spy” in New Delhi or Islamabad, by analogy with the situation in Austria?

Comments

[Samara_63]

At this stage, the Taliban are our allies and we need to support them with weapons and money!

[Starikan-m]

Quote: Samara_63

At this stage, the Taliban are our allies and we need to support them with weapons and money!

Yes, it seems we support and they also remember the "shuravi" .. But only the United States there in Afghanistan sat down on checkpoints behind huge concrete fences and, as soon as possible, they immediately call aviation ..
And you won’t smoke them, they control drugs on this hell of the Middle East they’re fighting .. That's all there is to it!
Cynical, but efficient and cheap.

[Shurik70]

Perhaps, in vain we climbed there. Again.
Who will tell us thanks there? The Taliban? Pakistan? USA? US controlled government?
No one will thank. There are no moral or economic benefits. So it’s not worth climbing.
Yes, the Taliban. These guys have long been no longer terrorists. They are fighting ISIS, the United States is not allowed into controlled areas. Need help. But not at the negotiating table, if the US is participating there. Even if they sign, they will not fulfill the contract.

[Kasym]

Alexander, this speaks of increasing the authority of Russia in the world. Another country simply could not convene such a representative conference. The US and the EU - the Taliban would not have arrived - the West has kindled this fire and there is no confidence in it. China - because of the Uighurs, Muslim countries simply would not have come. Iran is western pressure that does not recognize such negotiations. So who?
The Taliban want to establish Sharia. Poor girls will dress in a burqa. Executions with stoning or clubs, chopping off heads and other charms. We don’t need such an Afghan. From there, bearded men of all stripes will climb up for some time.
It seems that Moscow has decided to take the initiative on Afghanistan.

[Buffet]

In general, I heard that it’s impossible to negotiate with terrorists.

[l7yzo]

This is the US Taliban terrorists. And so the Americans there are growing drugs and very successfully. But do not fight. They finally there for all do not care who does not bother them. They beat the current those who interfere with the business or competitors. Well, and as a hotbed of tension, which can always be quickly set on fire. They hide well. There someone posted photos of the girls in Afghanistan under the USSR - they walked in skirts and tops, and painted over. Here are the tips left - and that’s it - again the current eyes are visible.

[kjhg]

Quote: Samara_63

At this stage, the Taliban are our allies and we need to support them with weapons and money!

The Allies are lying, rather the enemies of our enemies. Don’t say, but the Taliban didn’t produce heroin in Afghanistan on such a scale that directly affects Russia, and there were no American bases.

[aszzz888]

kjhg (Gargantua) Today, 09: 58 Allies are lying, rather the enemies of our enemies.

... still better than friends of our enemies ...

[KCA]

So the Taliban do not accept drugs, under their rule the poppy fields were destroyed, just like those who grew, for which they were invaded, even the twin towers did not regret

[Dr_engie]

What nonsense are you talking about?

[KCA]

And you read, read how the Taliban fought against poppy seeds, and how with the advent of the United States in Afghanistan, opium production grew 40 times, the United States officially allowed the cultivation of poppy seeds, such as the poor peasants, they need to earn

[l7yzo]

I’m afraid that it’s just that the Taliban’s appetites were much smaller and smaller areas were sown. And nobody wanted to share with anyone. But tell me, and with whom then the USSR fought a stock of years ?? And who then grew drugs there ??

[KCA]

From 1979 to 1989, opium production increased from 200 tons (the period of the presence of Soviet troops) to 1200 tons (withdrawal of Soviet troops) http://www.rusrand.ru/ac/cifra_314.html [non-authoritative source?],
From 1989 to 1992 (the reign of Najibullah), opium production increased from 1200 tons to 1970 tons,
From 1992 to 1996 (the reign of the Mujahideen) opium production increased from 1970 tons to 2200 tons,
From 1996 to 2001 (Taliban rule), opium production fell from 2200 tons to 185 tons,
From 2001 to 2009 (the period the US troops were present), opium production increased from 185 tons to 6900 tons.

[l7yzo]

and what do you really believe in these numbers ??? And knowing the reports - looking at which reports and which lands. And the link is broken. And the source - well, how can I tell you - if the KGB report - I would believe it - as you know)
It’s easier to track police reports.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Samara_63

The Taliban are our allies and we need to support them with weapons and money!

Any whim at your expense.

[gsev]

In 1946, Stalin refused to supply the Afghan government with arms to strengthen central power in the south and considered the military solution between the Afghans unpromising. We hope that the modern leadership of Russia only supports intra-Afghan attempts at reconciliation and will not be scattered with money, money and weapons.

[Volga073]

It’s good to live a fool - you don’t have to think hard.

[Black sniper]

The Avghans would have come to an agreement long ago if not for their American "friends"! The Avghans need to make peace, unite and kick these American bastards out on the figs, then start rebuilding the country!

[l7yzo]

For what money, may I ask ?? They have no diamonds and oil. Becoming Kyrgyzstan (here Uranus, mercury and gold) or Tajikistan - so they are quietly sponsored by interested countries so that there is at least some order there and at least somehow they can live. Yes, the Soviets left everything that probably works right now, well, there are factories and power plants. And in Afghanistan ??

[g1v2]

We have good relations with the Taliban while we are friends with Pakistan. But if they come to power, everything can change. Or if we suddenly have to choose Pakistan or India.
Of course, throwing skunk mattresses in a bag is not bad. Let them have fun. Just don’t forget that before the mattresses arrived in Afghanistan in 2003, we just predicted that we might have to fight the Taliban. There is no rush to be friends with the Taliban.
In general, in my opinion, only one thing can solve the problem of Afghanistan - its division between neighbors along ethnic lines. The west and center are Persia, the north to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, the Pashtun southeast to Pakistan. And let these countries solve problems in their own piece.

[Dr_engie]

The terrorists? Are you out of your mind?

[aszzz888]

The US authorities in Moscow met with a painful reaction. So, we should expect new provocations

... it’s like drinking, they won’t tolerate such a kick in one place ...

[Machito]

Russia did not leave the Great Game. The West has long dreamed of bending Central Asia under itself in order to attack Russia from the south, into the soft underbelly, but rebellious Afghanistan has become an unbreakable wall on the path of the Saxon Saxons. After the US occupation of Afghanistan, Afghans have the opportunity to compare Russians and Americans. The Russians built roads, houses, factories in Afghanistan, the Americans produce drugs. Our former Taliban enemies have chosen Russia as a mediator in the negotiations because they trust us. It would be nice to beg the downed American UAV from the Taliban.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bearded

It would be nice to beg the downed American UAV from the Taliban.

"Uh-uh ... Slack! Why" beg "!? Ahhh?
Lutshe let's manny budem on ATGMs, MANPADS there ... or other weapons, huh ...? "

True, the answer seems to be expected ...

Therefore, most likely, for BUYS BUY!

[APASUS]

Quote: Bearded

It would be nice to beg the downed American UAV from the Taliban.

You don’t need to beg anything from the Taliban, everything is sold in the East, and all the more such pieces of iron. Not for nothing does the local proverb sound something like this:
We cannot be conquered, but you can buy.

[gsev]

- "everything is for sale in the East"

There was a local conflict in Chamkani. To resolve it in accordance with Afghan law, the governor bribed the elders. But taking the money, the elders did it according to local customs. When the governor publicly announced that they had received a bribe and must act according to the law, I heard; "We took the money, we admit, but this is not a reason to do your way."

[parusnik]

in the north of the country, the influence of the ISIS * terrorist group banned in Russia is growing.

... The key phrase in the north of the country ... This is near Tajikistan, Uzbekistan .. and further ... If now, the warring forces can not be reconciled and redirected, against the Igilians, it will be worse ...

[Thunderbolt]

It’s the Igilians ... the Taliban never looked to the North - only the land of their ancestors, but the plans of the black organization extend to the whole world in the Absolute of their plans. Well, perhaps a small piece of land is not included in the plans of the igiloids. And this territory is amazingly accurate in the US geo-coordinates. Coincidence ... I don’t think.)))

[Galleon]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And this territory amazingly fits in the US geo-coordinates

and Israel

[Thunderbolt]

They will take up this country only after the takeover of the United States, which means not in this millennium)))

[Siberia 9444]

Need to do like shaving! Allies and enemies are changing and Russia's interests remain, something like this

[Mountain shooter]

But I’m thinking ... Mortar mines should be fastened to RPG-7 rounds - should they teach the Taliban? Or is it better to have more good mortars? Great partisan weapons. Accurate, rapid-fire and long-range. Just for these very American bases. Approached 3 km. In a couple of minutes they threw a hundred mines to the location. And the top is top from there ... The less comfortable the Amers will be there, the easier the negotiations on reconciliation in the country will go ...

[Hypatius]

You can also launch hail from slate sheets. Where to get? Yes there, unidentified helicopters fly in heaps.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The less comfortable the amers will be there, the easier the negotiations on reconciliation in the country will go ...

Eugene! That's how it is ... But politics is such a "dirty thing" that (oddly enough!) It is beneficial for us that the Yankees get bogged down in Afghanistan and poke around there as long as possible ...
But the CIA-schnicks need to be poisoned and spread rot so that they do not mate with the black-flagged ... For this the Taliban will do quite well, and then we will help the central government and "get along" with them (perhaps - at the root!)
But! "The East is a delicate matter" ... "And where it is subtle, there is ..." (I didn't say, people!)
AHA.

[taiga2018]

I don’t understand one thing, why the Taliban is a banned organization in our country, it seems that they have not been seen in hostile actions against Russia ...

[aszzz888]

taiga2018 (Makar) Today, 10: 15 NEW
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I don’t understand one thing, why the Taliban is a banned organization in our country, it seems that they have not been seen in hostile actions against Russia ...

... this is one of many facts,

During the Second Chechen War, in the fall of 1999, the Taliban leadership decided to send 4 million dollars and 24 man-portable air defense systems [40] to Chechen fighters fighting against federal forces. In January 2000, the Taliban representative in Pakistan announced recognition of Chechnya’s independence and the establishment of diplomatic relations with the government of Aslan Maskhadov [41]. In February of that year, the Shariah, the official Taliban press, called on Muslim countries to declare a holy war (jihad) for Russia: “Islamic countries should allow believers to take part in jihad in Chechnya” [42].

[taiga2018]

Well, if for this fact, then we need to declare banned almost all Western human rights and other organizations, they just screamed, called the bandits rebels and freedom fighters, I certainly do not claim that the Taliban are saints, but their calls and actions were not so great influence, but the actions of our Western "partners" for a long time tied our hands from decisive actions against the Ichkerians ...

[aszzz888]

taiga2018 (Makar) Today, 10: 34
Well, if on this fact, then we need to declare banned almost all Western human rights and other organizations

... "almost all Western human rights and other organizations should be declared banned" - if they declare war on Russia - YES ...

[gsev]

Your examples suggest that the Taliban are much more harmless to Russia than the employees of Novaya Gazeta

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: gsev

Your examples suggest that the Taliban are much more harmless to Russia than the employees of Novaya Gazeta

100% it is. The Taliban shake mattresses and their puppet Kabul, moreover, they shoot the ISIS members, who pose a real threat to the world, and Novaya Gazeta is a "pro-Western mouthpiece" co-owned by Mishan Gorbachev, which was funded by the Netherlands and Soros, where Latynina and Bykov is not credible because was created in order to sow confusion in Russia from within.

[Hypatius]

they are not seen in hostile actions against Russia ...

Created "students" against OKSVA for tseerushny and Arabian money 50/50. Against the USSR, it means against Russia, IMHO.

[Volga073]

Yes, they behave better than Israel.

[akudr48]

Well, they won in Syria, now in Afghanistan there’s nowhere without us, and it’s necessary to restore order there.

And how many more countries where they are waiting for us, where our brothers are offended. We’ll come, help, Russia, as you know, a generous soul!
And there, you look, and it will come to Donbass ...

[97110]

Quote: akudr48

And how many more countries where they are waiting for us, where our brothers are offended.

Russia, for example. If your brothers are not offended by Rybolovlev and Abramovich, of course ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: akudr48

in Afghanistan, nowhere without us, it’s necessary to restore order there.

I read your koment and see the ears of Judas Trotsky with his world revolution with Russian blood!
And let HOSZAYAEV clean up his house ... Of course, we can help with advisers, weapons (not for free, of course!), But not with the blood of the sons of Russia.

Quote: akudr48

We will come, help ...

Have you already been invited there? Or, following the example of the Yankees, are you going to "trample" into a country that did not invite you and is not happy with you? Well, well ... Probably you will send your sons there?

[Thunderbolt]

The fact that the two, actually warring, parties managed to be seated at the negotiating table, some American media called Russia "phenomenal success".

This is REALLY a big work of our intelligence and diplomacy. And a milestone tactical victory. Without slowing down the pace, it is necessary to tie our former Central Asian SSRs on investments and maximize the KANT, the 201st and Samara-Orenburg grouping of troops sharpened for operations in the extreme south. The grouping becomes more mobile and with greater firepower, and the team of Comrade Medvedev must be responsible for investment projects .... and this is a weak link. By their passivity, and sometimes by the lack of resources, they not only do not "tie" the republics to Russia, but they also let the Chinese into our sensitive underbelly, and this is another negative factor, in addition to the activities of the CIA and Western trusts.

[Stalker84]

Those who are teasing for friendship with the waist are you sick ?! Let me remind you that under the Taliban women were deprived of any civil rights; for manicure they cut off fingers on their hands. Education for girls was prohibited. There are practically no women doctors in Afghanistan since they were either killed or escaped. And an Afghan woman could not turn to a doctor-haram. The difference between the Taliban and the igil, well, it’s so elusive that there’s nothing to discuss. Both those and those medieval obscurantists and fanatics. I recall how in Soviet times our leaders made friendship with the cannibal Om Bokassa ... again on the same rake.

[gsev]

Any political force becomes calmer over time. Genghis Khan only killed and raped, and Ulugbek was engaged in astronomy, hospitals used to piracy in the Mediterranean, and now they only treat patients, the communist Stalin could order the execution of an innocent man, and Brezhnev forgave even those who stole at the Olympics in Moscow. Arafat in his youth ruthlessly organized terrorist attacks, and his followers coordinated actions against Hamaz with the Israelis. Skorzeny was Hitler's assistant, and by old age he did not hesitate to work for Israel.

[rocket757]

We secure our southern borders, that's the whole game!
The contract, even with h with h, the Taliban can be preferable to striped, proved to everyone and everything!

[Rider]

More of these on our neck.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Horseman

More of these on our neck.

Nah ... These - for a fee !!!

On the territory of Afghanistan are known deposits of oil, natural gas, coal, iron ores, copper, rare metals, alluvial gold, precious and precious stones, barite, celestine, sulfur, talc, magnesite, rock salt, flux and cement raw materials and non-metallic building materials

[askort154]

The Anglo-Saxons, losing in Syria, are transferring ISIS cells to Afghanistan, to the "underbelly" of Russia and China. The Taliban do not need ISIS. Therefore, we are making a compromise with the Taliban, which causes hysteria among the Anglo-Saxons.

[Varaga]

Quote: askort154

The Anglo-Saxons, losing in Syria, are transferring ISIS cells to Afghanistan, to the "underbelly" of Russia and China.

Quite right. And there is Central Asia, where there are more than enough people eager for "easy" money. And the religious ground is right. Set fire to Asia and Russia will have another headache at the borders. This is what they (Anglo-Saxons) want. And if you miss it, rest assured, they will certainly do it.

[helmi8]

From the material: Russia held an unprecedented conference on Afghanistan. This is against the background of the fact that the coalition led by the United States does not succeed in establishing peace on Afghan soil[b] [/ b] and promote intra-Afghan reconciliation.

Lucky case! Well, can anyone give an example of where, in which country did the US establish peace? The hypocrisy of these transatlantic "institutes of democracy" has simply gone off scale to infinity.

[Stalker84]

I offer an analogy, the 90s, what a provincial city realties. “Tambovskie” was changed to “Vologda” who felt better from this? Why are some better than others? Both those and other bandits. And they do essentially the same thing. So the Taliban and the ISIS, well, there are no special differences in them, no! The same one, only in the other hand. If they kill each other, great. And when one group has finally won, no-finish off. And do not waste resources on supposedly "new friends" Passed already, in Africa in 60-80. Remember Ethiopia and "friend" Mengistu.

[gsev]

In Russia, in addition to purses and pickpockets, there is a state. Under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, bandits bred without interference and robbed. Under Putin, they had difficult times. For a long time I have not met purveyors and pickpockets in Moscow. Afghanistan of Russia is a good neighbor. She is interested in a normal state there. What is bad is that Russia is helping the Taliban get out of the fratricidal war. During the conflict in Chechnya, they agreed on a cessation of hostilities, for example with Kadyrov Sr. Why Afghans should not agree even with mediation. Let them agree with whom, but Afghans are slowly sorting out with irreconcilable. Russia is not Israel; it does not feed extremists with barbaric ideology among its neighbors.

[Ros 56]

Stripes for this need to be answered, they took a spy in Austria, and we need to drop their raptor in Syria, oh we inadvertently, but it’s not us, he himself ran into a rocket and in that spirit constantly, so that he would eaten into the liver. And then we all portray Pai-boys and express our concerns.

[Ros 56]

Since they are minus, then everything is correct, these are local trolls, or liberals, have fun. Not to be confused with consonants.

[gsev]

The Taliban appeared after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan. The top leadership of Afghanistan in the majority opposed the USSR. But that war was not carried over the borders of Afghanistan.

[Peter Tsar]

It seems to be a good strategic move, but the sediment remains. Indeed, not so long ago, these bearded men of our boys crumbled mercilessly. I understand that time is passing, the world is changing, and sometimes it’s necessary to forgive and speak even with yesterday’s enemies, but alas.

[arhPavel]

No .. no .. guys, we don't need this "Great Game in Afghanistan" we just need to put the Taliban in power, it is clear, they help in a peaceful dialogue. They supply their mattresses to Ukraine.

[Korax71]

At one time, there was a phrase about soaking the terrorists in the outhouse and not agreeing. What is the result? President of Chechnya, Hero of Russia Kadyrov, met with Hamas in Moscow, now the Taliban. Then what will be interesting

[The leader of the Redskins]

We don't need this "big game" .... We played enough almost 30 years ago .... In big games, the stakes are big, and the biggest is human lives ...

[Naughty]

The second entry into Afghanistan. The first one was apparently not enough. Nowhere else to put money.

[Muxalet]

It seems like the Taliban movement is recognized as a terrorist organization in Russia. Or is it ALL, friendship? And how is the Taliban different from the ISIS?

[Korax71]

A little different. But the Taliban is more al Qaeda, or rather its ancestor. With igil friendship they can’t work out

[Incvizitor]

Until pi.sov not lead the world in any case will not be.

[Varaga]

the coalition led by the United States does not succeed in establishing peace on Afghan soil

They tried so hard that they did not succeed.
Here are just "tried" in the wrong direction. And on the contrary, so that the hotbed of tension lasts as long as possible and at any moment, at the signal of the beneficiary, goes into a hot phase.
And they tried so hard! ... They tried so hard ...

[steelmaker]

While the United States in Afghanistan, all this is useless! We must act as the United States against the USSR - to supply arms and to expel the United States. Only then negotiations. And this conference is Lavrov’s negotiator’s favorite topic. Don’t feed the bread, give negotiations and a truce to arrange.