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Turkish MBT Altay went to the series, the contract is signed

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Turkey begins mass production of domestic tanks Altay The corresponding contract for the production of the first 250 Turkish tanks was signed by representatives of the secretariat of the defense industry, the Turkish Armed Forces General Staff and BMC, Anadolu reports.


Turkish MBT Altay went to the series, the contract is signed


Present at the signing ceremony, the head of the secretariat of the defense industry of Turkey, Ismail Demir, said that the manufacture of our own tanks would allow Turkey to significantly reduce its dependence on the supply of equipment from abroad. In the armed forces, the Altay tank should eventually replace outdated and foreign equipment, thus becoming the main combat unit of the Turkish army. It is planned that in the course of 20 years, the defense industry of Turkey will supply the 1000 MBT of Altay in the sun, which will significantly modernize tank units. The project is estimated at 25-30 billion.

Recall that the first sample of the Altay tank was presented in May 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition in Istanbul, and in the spring of this year the development and testing of the tank was completed and the winner of the tender for its serial production was selected. They became the Turkish-Qatari company BMC, previously won the contract to develop the engine for the tank Altay.

The tank's mass is 60 t, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The car has a reservation system from Roketsan, as well as active fire protection and control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems.







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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2018 16: 43
    +5
    For me, nothing extraordinary. I suppose he is not even equal to our Breakthrough, I'm not talking about Armata. But the fact that they launched theirs in a series is the right step. Nab would be faster than the T-14 and T-90M to put into mass production.
    It would be nice to see him in action at our biathlon.
    1. Yuri T.
      Yuri T. 9 November 2018 16: 45
      +9
      Turkish look at the leopard, apparently. They seemed to be actively cooperating with the Germans on it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 November 2018 16: 53
        +6
        Quote: Yuri T.
        Turkish look at the leopard, apparently. They seemed to be actively cooperating with the Germans on it.

        Yes, the K-2 tank created by the Germans for Korea was taken as a sample, but the question remains, what will the engine on this tank be? I remember with the Germans they had a "misunderstanding"
        1. Machito
          Machito 9 November 2018 17: 00
          +1
          In any case, Turkey's dependence on the supply of US armored vehicles is reduced.
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2018 17: 06
            +1
            Quote: Bearded
            In any case, Turkey's dependence on the supply of US armored vehicles is reduced.

            And were they? Turkey is now fighting on GERMAN and ISRAELI tanks
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 9 November 2018 19: 27
              +5
              Quote: svp67
              And were they? Turkey is now fighting on GERMAN and ISRAELI tanks

              SABRA is not an Israeli tank but an upgrade of the American M-60
              1. svp67
                svp67 9 November 2018 19: 29
                +5
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                SABRA is not an Israeli tank but an upgrade of the American M-60

                This ISRAELI MODERNIZATION M-60, and in many ways, this is a completely different machine. And Turkey bought this tank from Israel.

                This tank already has a licensed German diesel manufactured in Turkey and the German Renk 304S transmissions. Cannon - Israeli 120 mm, smoothbore. Not to mention all the electronic stuffing
                1. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 9 November 2018 20: 37
                  +3
                  This is old information. These tanks have long been modernizing Turkish companies.
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 9 November 2018 20: 19
                -5
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                SABRA is not an Israeli tank but an upgrade of the American M-60
                That and Merkava - M-60!
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 04
          0
          All the same, the German engines) they also give out sanctions in different ways)
          1. svp67
            svp67 9 November 2018 17: 09
            +2
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            All the same, the German engines) they also give out sanctions in different ways)

            Not so simple. The K-2 engine is already very innovative and capricious, and if a Korean warrior, highly disciplined and obedient to him, somehow gets along, then the Turkish has problems with this. At one time, the Turks even considered the installation of the Ukrainian TD-6.
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 9 November 2018 20: 53
              0
              After your words - you can forget about this tank !! Anything less "wooden" than a Kalashnikov simply does not survive in those parts. )). Most of their armored vehicles are in a state of junk. )) Only the "eternal" T-55 and T-64 in Syria, and both sides use both in the tail and in the mane, and the Turks in the first war will kill this "miracle" as even the "racially correct" leopards did. negative
              1. svp67
                svp67 9 November 2018 21: 05
                0
                Quote: Mih1974
                Only "eternal" T-55 and T-64 in Syria

                Sorry, but you can use the T-64 in Syria.
              2. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 00: 11
                +3
                Do not talk nonsense. The Turks conducted 2 major operations in Syria, in Al-Bab and in Afrin. Losses on tanks does not exceed 3 pcs.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 10 November 2018 11: 46
              0
              Not so simple. The K-2 engine is already very innovative and capricious, and if a Korean warrior, highly disciplined and obedient to him, somehow gets along, then the Turkish has problems with this.

              Why are you making it up? The engine on K2 is German. The Koreans still have not finished, although they are trying. But the Turks had problems only when the Germans, recently, refused to supply them with engines. Type of sanctions against Erdogan. Then the Turks had to look for a replacement.
              And as for the tank level - very, very high. Leopards of most modifications and Challengers are not inferior. hi
              1. svp67
                svp67 10 November 2018 15: 19
                0
                Quote: Alex777
                Why are you making it up?

                And what did I think of this, explain?
                Quote: Alex777
                K2 engine - German

                And I claimed somewhere else? Read the comment carefully
        3. Yuri T.
          Yuri T. 9 November 2018 17: 08
          +1
          Based on mass and speed, and a Western school, you can roughly estimate the power - like all of them, about 1500 hp. Probably some kind of adapted copy of the Leopard. I’m more interested in what’s standing on their tower to the left of the machine gun? Or are there two of them, the second 12,7? Or did they attach 20mm there?
          1. PAM
            PAM 9 November 2018 18: 52
            +1
            a lot of comments, but the question of what kind of power plant and where is left open.
            1. KURT330
              KURT330 9 November 2018 21: 08
              +1
              OTOKAR maiden Torquay))
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 November 2018 17: 02
      +2
      Just an analogue of the Breakthrough! T-90SM or AM .....
    3. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 03
      -1
      T 90cm second year quietly in the series. And the contract for 132 t14,15 also can not be called a trifle
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 08
        +4
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        T 90cm the second year quietly in the series.

        T-90MS is the export version of Breakthrough-2. I'm talking about the T-90M "Breakthrough-3".
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 20
          +1
          I’m talking about him. Contract 2017 of the year 32 pieces, 2018 new quantity contract is closed.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 27
            +1
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            I’m talking about him. Contract 2017 of the year 32 pieces, 2018 new quantity contract is closed.

            Together with other samples was ordered the main battle tank T-90M "Breakthrough-3." Over the past few months, the contracting organization has completed all the necessary preparatory work and is now ready to build the equipment and then transfer it to the customer. The first tanks of a new type will go to the troops in the near future.

            Recall that the first contract for the supply of T-90M tanks ("Object 188M") was signed by the Russian Ministry of Defense with the NPK Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) at the previous International military-technical forum "Army-2017" on August 24, 2017. According to published data, the first contract was signed for the supply of 30 T-90M tanks in 2018-2019. At the same time, out of 30 T-90M tanks, only ten should be new-built vehicles, and the remaining 20 will be converted during overhaul and modernization from T-90 tanks (apparently, in order to assess the level of costs if possible to upgrade to the level of T-90M available fleet of T-90 tanks).


            As reported, on August 21, 2018, at the Army-2018 International Military-Technical Forum that opened in Kubinka, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a second contract with the Scientific and Production Corporation Uralvagonzavod JSC for the purchase of T-90M tanks. Deliveries will be made in 2019. year.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 28
              -1
              I said so))) plus 64 t- 80 BVM)
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 26
          -1
          Actually, I said see))) it is also called sometimes m)
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 29
            +3
            Quote: Bull Terrier
            Actually, I said see))) it is also called sometimes m)

            They do not call it, TK-90СМ is an export variation of T-90С.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 31
              -2
              Export is t 90 ms)))
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 35
                +5
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                Export is t 90 ms)))

                T-90AM is an export version of T-90AM.
                T-90СМ is an export version of T-90С.
                So clearer?
                1. Bull Terrier
                  Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 43
                  -1
                  Of course) it’s more understandable) why Vietnam SC?)))
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    Vietnamese UK why?)))

                    Not SK ... T-90MSK - export version of the T-90AMK tank.
                    1. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 47
                      -1
                      Russia has begun deliveries of T-90S and T-90SK tanks under a contract with Vietnam, the head of the official Russian delegation at the Defense & Security exhibition, Deputy Director of the FSMTC of Russia Mikhail Petukhov told Interfax. Paradox...
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        Paradox...

                        I don’t understand you ...
                        T-90SK - Commander version of the T-90С, with additional communication and navigation equipment.
                        In its turn...
                        T-90С - export version of T-90, 1990-ies. There are no floodlights on the tank of the OTShU Shtora, instead of them additional blocks of integrated dynamic protection are installed. Exposure sensors saved. Air conditioning is installed. Since 2000, a welded tower has been installed.
                    2. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 51
                      -1
                      Let's close the dispute by letters) search as you like, I personally saw in the documents that I saw) you can call it at least 5 phases) it doesn’t cancel the fact - a breakthrough in the series)
            2. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 34
              -1
              Each modification has its own letter. Like you have pilots)
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 November 2018 17: 21
        -2
        Where is he in the series? Firstly, the T-90M is a slightly stripped down version with an old gun ... secondly, something is not visible either.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 27
          +1
          See government procurement) specifically August 2017-18. Two contracts for these cars.
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 9 November 2018 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      For me, nothing extraordinary. I suppose he is not even equal to our Breakthrough, I'm not talking about Armata. But the fact that they launched theirs in a series is the right step. Nab would be faster than the T-14 and T-90M to put into mass production.
      It would be nice to see him in action at our biathlon.

      Relying on what you draw such conclusions? What other mass tank do you compare it to?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 11
        -2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        What other mass tank do you compare it to?

        I wrote clearly in black in Russian. Moreover, I will say more, he does not reach the level of Leopard-2.
        1. Yuri T.
          Yuri T. 9 November 2018 17: 22
          0
          Is it possible to determine from 1 photograph? In my opinion, this is somewhat reckless. A tank, like other types of equipment, is somewhat akin to a culinary dish: it depends not only on the ingredients themselves, but also on their proportions and method of preparation. The Turks had 4 years to conduct field trials in the conditions of the database and make changes to the prototype. Ours, too, urgently sawing the excess and putting the right one, according to the results of the Syrian war. Where and when was the last time the leopards fought? I read that in Yemen and Iraq they did not really show themselves ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 31
            +5
            Quote: Yuri T.
            Is it possible to determine from 1 photos?

            Do you think that people only get info here?
            1. Yuri T.
              Yuri T. 9 November 2018 17: 39
              +1
              I think not. But you didn’t specify anything concrete. And the equipment has just gone into the series - as far as I know, detailed specifications of the newly adopted machine are not being made publicly available. You would share, if not difficult. Interesting.
          2. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 53
            -1
            Can. Depends on experience and knowledge.
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 9 November 2018 17: 23
          -1
          and how does he not reach Leo2? ...... which version ?.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 30
            -1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            and how does he not reach Leo2? ...... which version ?.

            5. About 6 and 7 I generally keep quiet.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 58
              +1
              Nice person. Not only that, in the Bundes there are only 400 tanks, 56 percent of which are not fit for repair at all, but there are 7 as many as 5 pieces, and 6 as many as 30) well, Lexus is not enough for a Ferari, there are only hundreds of thousands of Lexus)
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 9 November 2018 17: 59
                +2
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                and 6 already whole 30) well, Lexus does not reach the Ferari, only Lexus hundreds of thousands)

                Nice man, but where did I talk about the quantity? I am talking about the quality of this product.
                1. Bull Terrier
                  Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 18: 00
                  -4
                  Quality is a comparison of Lexus and Ferrari! Read between the lines) are both brands of cars good?)
            2. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 9 November 2018 18: 07
              +5
              Quote: NEXUS
              5. About 6 and 7 I generally keep quiet.

              At one time in Turkey, a tender was attended by Lecrake, AbramsA2, Leopard2A6, T-84 Yatagan.
              LEO won the tender, but the Germans refused to transfer all the documentation and the possibility of selling to third countries. Then it was decided that they would produce OTOCAR with foreign assistance from a third party. That was met with surprise because Otokar had no experience in this matter, unlike the Federal Tax Service. help was chosen by the Korean company Hyundai Roten. We wanted to develop an engine with the Austrians but sanctions came, now with the BMS Qataris.
              It looks almost identical to K2, but the differences in the internals of Aselsan has experience in the modernization of Leopards, electronic equipment and barrel stabilizer, etc. Its something, too, will be. Only a real battle will show what the tank is worth, or at least the primary operation. It is too early to judge IMHO
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 9 November 2018 21: 03
                +2
                It seemed like rumors were circulating that "k2" was dear to the point of insanity and therefore did not go into series or purchases, and this is from rich Koreans, and Turkey is now having a brutal economic crisis. They would hardly have pulled such an expensive toy. Again - and the engine, and the barrel, and whose OMS do they have? How will "Rheinmetal" send them on a pedestrian erotic journey and not the trunks and what will they do? :) ukrov will buy "water pipes"? laughing
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  Again - and the engine, and the barrel, and whose OMS do they have? How will "Rheinmetal" send them on a pedestrian erotic journey and not the trunks and what will they do? :)

                  Whose armored steel? Rheinmetall or mine?
                  1. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 10 November 2018 18: 30
                    +1
                    They will buy cardboard from the Sumerians - those are great masters in the manufacture of shushpanzer.
                  2. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 21: 09
                    -1
                    The armor is made by the company "Roketsan". One of the components of the armor, boron, is used to create composite armor. And Turkey extracts more than 70% of boron from world production.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 10 November 2018 23: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      The armor is made by the Roketsan company.

                      To paraphrase the question, they themselves created it - this armored steel, or someone else's development?
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 11 November 2018 01: 38
                        -1
                        Everywhere in Turkish they write that the armor made of composite materials is created by the company "Roketsan", and the new generation armor steel used has a secret composition. They do not give out more information.
        3. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 9 November 2018 17: 55
          -1
          What does not reach aA2?))))
    5. Tarhan
      Tarhan 9 November 2018 19: 14
      -2
      Nab would be faster than the T-14 and T-90M put into mass production.

      Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov believes that now there is no need to equip the Russian Armed Forces with a large number of such equipment as Armata or BTR Boomerang, since the latest versions of T-72 tanks are highly effective.
    6. snake
      snake 9 November 2018 23: 16
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      For me, nothing extraordinary. I suppose he is not even equal to our Breakthrough, I'm not talking about Armata.

      As always: Foreign models of technology are not suitable for ours, but our Armata, Su-57, Kurgan 25, 26, 256 ... ogogo! Yes, only in the west, all these "not as good as ours" go into series in large batches, and our cart (Armata, etc.) is still there.
    7. aws4
      aws4 10 November 2018 00: 47
      +1
      what are you saying ??? well, lay out all the characteristics of the Altai and booking .. for one info about suo .. about the rest, we basically know about the great German gun and the great hodovka ... I did not expect NEXUS from you
    8. Setrac
      Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 02
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      For me, nothing extraordinary. I suppose he is not even equal to our Breakthrough, I'm not talking about Armata.

      Not worse than "Abrams" or "Leopard". Needless to say that the Altay tank was thirty years late?
      1. aws4
        aws4 10 November 2018 21: 21
        +1
        I think it’s not worth talking about it .. since cars of this type will still be relevant for a very long time since no one has the next generation tanks yet .. the armata do not count, for obvious reasons, it doesn’t exist either .. for the Turks this is a breakthrough !!!
  2. Yuri T.
    Yuri T. 9 November 2018 16: 44
    +3
    And DZ it only on the sides, it seems. And what kind of KAZ is there? Has it already been put somewhere?
    1. Corn
      Corn 9 November 2018 19: 47
      +1
      KAZ Pulat AKS (Aktif Koruma Sistemleri) is a licensed copy of the Ukrainian KAZ Zaslon-L, developed by the Kiev state enterprise BTSKT Mikrotek
      (from neighboring news)
  3. NF68
    NF68 9 November 2018 16: 47
    +1
    The Turks took him very long.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 November 2018 16: 54
      +2
      Quote: NF68
      The Turks took him very long.

      Rather "Turkish Germans", but nevertheless they coped faster than "Indian Germans with a tank for India.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 November 2018 17: 03
        +2
        The Turks did it faster, and Western technology is more complicated than ours.
        1. Yuri T.
          Yuri T. 9 November 2018 18: 00
          +2
          I do not agree. Just the simplicity of production and operation is the aerobatics of designing military equipment. Designing, testing and putting into series efficient, reliable and easy to maintain is more difficult than the other way around.
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 9 November 2018 18: 33
            +1
            Quote: Yuri T.
            I do not agree. Just the simplicity of production and operation is the aerobatics of designing military equipment. Designing, testing and putting into series efficient, reliable and easy to maintain is more difficult than the other way around.

            I do not think so, the number was taken for the last time in the Second World War. Now they’re not building a thousand tanks, and after them tens of thousands of infantrymen, forward with the cry of URA. Now they don’t fight at all in open fields. And the tanks are not formidable forces at all, they began to play the role of mobile firing points of the leading edge. in points, all without exception burn like matches, both German and Soviet and American. Now they have a greater role to cover the maneuver of the cat group. found themselves in a difficult situation. Rather, in a big war, 2/3 will die from the infantry before meeting an enemy tank.
            Even Russia abandoned the concept of take in quantity, but how to explain the creation of the T-14.
            1. Yuri T.
              Yuri T. 9 November 2018 19: 01
              +1
              You are talking about application. I agree, the general concept of using tanks has changed. But it’s also not worth considering a tank as a mobile bunker, it is much more versatile and is still the most formidable ground combat unit, especially with the support of infantry and the availability of good air defense. Cost and speed of production, reliability, ease of operation and maintainability still play a paramount role, along with efficiency (the latter factor, you probably either deny or ignored. Do not confuse the technique of wartime and peace, for obvious reasons. For the totality of our characteristics I consider the tanks to be the best to this day) The number also continues to play a role, if not for breakouts or their reflection, then at least for the possibility of rotation, maintenance and repair. Yes, and any sensible commander would always want to have reserves, but more ... If Russia could afford, without straining, to rivet the T-14 in the number of 1000-5000-20000 pieces, then it would.
          2. Tarhan
            Tarhan 10 November 2018 11: 19
            +1
            Just the simplicity of production and operation, this is the aerobatics of designing military equipment.

            I do not agree. This approach was appropriate when hostilities continued for years. Now only undeveloped countries are fighting like this, for example, Iran and Iraq in their seven-year war. Now the military campaigns are fast - a month or two. And it is not enough to repair directly in combat conditions. That was what they won or lost.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 10
              +2
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Now only undeveloped countries are fighting like this, for example, Iran and Iraq in their seven-year war. Now the military campaigns are fast - a month or two.

              One hundred years ago they said exactly the same thing, and then the First World War happened, and after it the Second World War.
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 10 November 2018 17: 18
                -1
                One hundred years ago they said exactly the same thing, and then the First World War happened, and after it the Second World War.


                That's what it is for. I said that the times of World War 2 have passed. Take the fighting of modern times modern armies - Falklands, Iraq. A month and one of the parties lost.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  That's what it is for. I said that the times of World War 2 have passed.

                  However, I recall how the Second World War began
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  Take the fighting of modern times modern armies - Falklands, Iraq. A month and one of the parties lost.

                  France, Belgium, Holland - they did not last a month, Poland, Yugoslavia, but then the war against the USSR began. You can’t end the war against a serious enemy in a month, it can be defeated Georgia in a few days.
                  1. Tarhan
                    Tarhan 10 November 2018 17: 28
                    -3
                    this Georgia can be defeated in a few days.

                    Well, if we talk about the big war, then there is generally maintainability according to nevermind. In many places even entire tanks will stand with a dead crew. To whom and what to repair ???
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Tarkhan
                      Well, if we talk about the big war, then there is generally maintainability according to nevermind. In many places even entire tanks will stand with a dead crew. To whom and what to repair ???

                      The classic delusion is that after the exchange of blows nothing will remain. Modern nuclear weapons are much weaker and "cleaner" than they were thirty years ago.
                      1. Tarhan
                        Tarhan 10 November 2018 17: 39
                        -2
                        Modern nuclear weapons are much weaker and "cleaner" than they were thirty years ago.

                        Oh well. It would be nice to see how the Americans got 500 atomic hits and rush to repair Abrams.
                        All of these aviation strategies are also disposable. After resetting the nuclear weapons, there may be nowhere to return. And that in such circumstances, the commander will be puzzled by the repair of a broken toilet switch.
                        So together and repair.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Tarkhan
                        Oh well. It would be nice to see how the Americans got 500 atomic hits and rush to repair Abrams.

                        After the nuclear war, more people will remain alive than they were on earth a hundred years ago - and then they found resources for the World War, 500 atomic strikes - this is so few, 30 is only needed in New York.
                      3. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 17: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        500 atomic strikes is so small, 30 is only needed in New York

                        Yes, you, I see, are not only a "specialist" in intellectual property laughing

                        Think of the Twin Towers. Then two planes (without any bombs) were enough for the whole of New York to sneeze and watery eyes for weeks. And you, you see, "atomic strikes are not enough" belay
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Yes you, I see, not only

                        Please specify your veiled insult, so that it would be clear to you why you received a warning.
                      5. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 17: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Please clarify your veiled insult

                        This is not an insult, it is a glitch. For some reason, half of the dialed message flew to the site. Read above, there is the full version laughing

                        Quote: Setrac
                        so that you understand why

                        Wow, how awesome you are ... relax, for now Nobody hurt you.
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Remember the twin towers. Then two planes (without any bombs) were enough for all of New York

                        Two blocks is not at all "the whole of New York
                        Quote: Consultant
                        sneezed for some weeks and watery eyes.

                        This is not fatal, for example, for Beijing, this is a lifelong norm.
                        Quote: Consultant
                        And you, you see, "atomic strikes are not enough"

                        Here I am such a maximalist !?
                      7. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 17: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Here I am such a maximalist!

                        What are "experts in everything" called - remind you? wink
                      8. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        What are "experts in everything" called - remind you?

                        Let me see.....
                        taxi drivers?
                        housewives?
                        What other options?
                      9. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 18: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Let me see.....
                        taxi drivers?
                        housewives?
                        What other options?

                        Amateurs. Locksmiths of Polesov, to make it clearer.
                      10. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 18: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Amateurs. Locksmiths of Polesov, to make it clearer.

                        Amateurs here are not suitable, they can grow professionally and become specialists.
                        And who are the "woodlands"?
                      11. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 18: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Amateurs can grow professionally and become specialists

                        Never in my life have I seen.

                        Quote: Setrac
                        And who are the "woodlands"?

                        Do not know the classics? Strange ... here, see:

                      12. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 18: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Do not know the classics? Strange ... here, see:

                        I watched this movie 25 years ago.
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Never in my life have I seen.

                        I’ve never seen aliens, but I really want to believe in them.
                      13. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 18: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        I watched this movie 25 years ago

                        It happens. And I read a book about 40 years ago ... and still remember, oddly enough repeat

                        Quote: Setrac
                        and I want to believe in them

                        In whom? In these?

                        Quote: Setrac
                        Amateurs can grow professionally and become specialists

                        Give up. They are not worth it laughing
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                      15. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 17: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Yes you, I see, not only

                        Are you a resident of New York? Why are you so excited?
                      16. Consultant
                        Consultant 10 November 2018 17: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You ... Why are you so excited?

                        Do not disgrace, General laughing
                      17. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 November 2018 18: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Do not disgrace, General

                        Nothing personal, just the phrase "why are you so excited" does not harmonize with the appeal "you", it does not carry any negative in your direction, everything should be fucking good (God, do it so that the administration does not consider this a curse).
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 November 2018 17: 02
    0
    It is difficult for me - not a specialist - to compare the performance characteristics, disadvantages and advantages. I can only express my point of view. The fact that the Turkish industry has developed a model of a new tank indicates the sufficient literacy of its engineers and developers. And the productivity of 50 copies per year is also not weak.
    I take this opportunity to express my opinion on the diversity of the Russian tank fleet. A lot of goods are good and different - good. But in the army school, we once studied the shortcomings of the presence of various modifications of military equipment in the formations, as well as the variety of ammunition for it and the types of fuel and oils. In 2017, our industry proposed by 2020 to release 100 T-14s for the Moscow Region. It is not yet known how many will actually produce. Refers to upgrades. But, excuse me, if the T-14 has no equal in the world, then the best must be supplied to its own parts ...
  5. Vadim851
    Vadim851 9 November 2018 17: 43
    +4
    7 years from layout to series is great.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 November 2018 19: 12
      +3
      This is because they only mastered licensed production ... and the finished diesel engine is German.
  6. K-50
    K-50 9 November 2018 18: 19
    -2
    Turkey begins mass production of Altay domestic tanks. The corresponding contract for the production of the first 250 Turkish tanks signed

    New targets for the Kurds? what laughing
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 9 November 2018 19: 24
      +2
      And how many tanks were destroyed by these Kurds in 40 years, from the day they began to terrorize Turkey ??? We saw these "heroes" in Afrin, when they barely took their legs, who of course did.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 9 November 2018 18: 22
    +2
    Here the question is rather not in the performance characteristics of the Altay tank, but in the independence of the Turkish military-industrial complex. That moment with our own production became fundamental in the purchase of this tank, it is something akin to the Indian production terminology with the mark Made in India. And everything else is secondary, own production of tanks will reduce the dependence on imports, save money, develop our own economy and technology, and always allow you to return the tank to the manufacturer for modernization.
  8. Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 9 November 2018 19: 43
    +4
    In the field of military (and generally) development, Turkey has done more in 15 years than many countries in 40-60 years. Turkey has woken up from a long sleep and is still gaining unimaginably serious momentum of development. A very energetic country .. Good luck and Peace, brothers.
  9. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 10 November 2018 01: 48
    0
    It is planned that over 20 years Turkish defense industry will put in the sun 1000 MBT Altay, which will significantly upgrade the tank units.

    They can replace all remaining in the Turkish Army M48 and M60, however, the period of 20 years is significant, even 10 tanks will have time to become obsolete ...
    Yes, Azerbaijan will also want to buy a batch of these tanks in order to test them on the Armenian T-72 ..
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 13: 10
      +1
      If Azerbaijan invests and orders Altai, then the Turks will work in three shifts. The main thing is that they let them into the series, but the number can be increased.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 10 November 2018 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: Oquzyurd
        If Azerbaijan invest money

        What to invest in? The tank is ready for production, Qatar invested money for its development and production.
        and Altai orders, then the Turks will work in three shifts.

        And so they will work in four shifts to saturate the Turkish Army with new tanks. Yes, Azerbaijan is unlikely to exchange its T-90s for new Turkish ones, which will be much more expensive and without running-in conflicts .... I wrote about the purchase of new Turkish tanks by Azerbaijan, because many of your compatriots were waiting for it and talked about purchasing it here on the site....
        and the amount can be increased

        At what capacity, if tanks have never been produced in Turkey? The basis of the tank park are American - M48, M60 / 60A1 and German Leopard ....
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 18: 14
          -1
          Azerbaijan can lay out money not for development, of course, but for increasing capacities. Moreover, if something is necessary, Azerbaijan gives money in advance, not by installments or on credit, immediately and in cash. I suppose that without already publicizing Azerbaijan, it already has its share in this project. After a year and a half, these tanks will leave the factory in series and if you see Azerbaijan along with the Turkish aircraft as the first buyer of tanks, do not be surprised.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 10 November 2018 18: 22
            0
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            and if you see Azerbaijan along with the Turkish Armed Forces as the first buyer of tanks, do not be surprised.

            I don’t see the logic of spending money on other tanks ...
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 20: 52
              0
              Half of the tank fleet are old models, partially modernized. They can be discarded and replaced by Altai tanks in portions. You can have the T-90 and Altai aircraft, let them compete to understand for the future which tank to continue to be friends with in the future.
  10. A.
    A. 10 November 2018 08: 59
    0
    The music in the video is not bad, serious, a tank, even for a non-specialist, so-so. The sides above the rinks were left specially open to aim at them for destruction.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 13: 17
      -1
      http://www.arms-expo.ru/upload/medialibrary/758/7581c4b1b59515c7e63122c381203052.jpg Разные модификации будут.Есть закрытыми катками.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 13: 21
        -1
        http://img.e-amyna.com/2018/02/P0g31b.jpg
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 13: 22
      0
      http://img.e-amyna.com/2018/02/P0g31b.jpg
    3. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 13: 25
      -1
      Why is this so-so? If on account of the closedness of the rollers, here is the version http://img.e-amyna.com/2018/02/P0g31b.jpg
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 10 November 2018 17: 23
        0

        NEXUS (Andrey) Yesterday, 16: 43

        +6

        For me, nothing extraordinary. I suppose he is not even equal to our Breakthrough, I'm not talking about Armata.


        And what can you say about Armata? They say the legendary tank, Flying Dutchman ..
  11. KURT330
    KURT330 10 November 2018 20: 32
    -2
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    Azerbaijan can lay out money not for development, of course, but for increasing capacities. Moreover, if something is necessary, Azerbaijan gives money in advance, not by installments or on credit, immediately and in cash. I suppose that without already publicizing Azerbaijan, it already has its share in this project. After a year and a half, these tanks will leave the factory in series and if you see Azerbaijan along with the Turkish aircraft as the first buyer of tanks, do not be surprised.

    Capacities at the moment allow riveting 100 cars a year. This means over 20 years 2000 tanks. Turks knowingly reduce the expected amount, there is a reason for this. Until 2023, there will be 1000 of these machines in the Turkish Armed Forces, another 1000 will be shared by Qatar and Azerbaijan. Ours invested in this project, that's for sure. If ours invested 8 billion in one refinery, then in the Altai and TAI project at least 2 billion of our capital. Soon my words will be confirmed))
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 10 November 2018 21: 38
      -1
      Quote: KURT330
      Capacities at the moment allow riveting 100 cars a year. Does it mean over 20 years 2000 tanks.

      Over 20 years, the territory of Turkey will decrease and the political orientation of the Turkish president will be different ...
      Ours invested in this project, that's for sure.

      In the article about this not a word, do you have other sources or wishful thinking?
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 23: 14
        -2
        "In 20 years, the territory of Turkey will decrease"))) Here you pass your dreams as a fact. Everything will be exactly the opposite, Turkey has woken up and We, Azerbaijan, will do everything to make our brothers strong. They are strong, which means we are strong. In 20 years, no country will even dare to threaten Turkey and us.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 10 November 2018 23: 23
          -1
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          . Everything will be exactly the opposite, Turkey woke up

          Yes, with Erdogan you definitely can’t sleep peacefully ...
          and we, Azerbaijan, will do everything so that our brothers are strong. They are strong, which means we are strong.

          You would have to return your lands from Armenia and Nakhichevan not to lose ...
          After 20 years, no country will even dare threaten Turkey and us.

          Who is threatening Azerbaijan now? You have a whole Southern Military District of the RF Armed Forces behind your back, although the "dark forces" in Azerbaijan will try to make a second SAR ...
          It is more difficult with Turkey, the Russian Federation is also unprofitable for a mess there, which is why it supported Erdogan during the coup, however, the empiricalists may have other plans for her account, in any case, the "Peterson card" has not yet been canceled ... and the United States so far did not refuse to support the Kurds and plans to create Kurdistan (including at the expense of the territory of Turkey, Iran and Iraq) ...
      2. KURT330
        KURT330 11 November 2018 22: 55
        -2
        Well, whose territory will decrease, it is more visible to China and Japan, especially over the next 20 years, but the territory of Turkey has increased over the past year, it is a fact!))
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 November 2018 11: 43
          0
          Quote: KURT330
          but the territory of Turkey has increased over the past year, it is a fact!))

          Increased to the size of the Ottoman Port?
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 10 November 2018 23: 04
      -1
      I support, everything will be so.)
  12. KURT330
    KURT330 10 November 2018 20: 38
    -1
    Quote: Anatolyevich
    The music in the video is not bad, serious, a tank, even for a non-specialist, so-so. The sides above the rinks were left specially open to aim at them for destruction.

    There is a modification abruptly than in the video, you can google it, and also at the moment we are finalizing a version with an uninhabited tower.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 November 2018 23: 11
      -1
      Quote: KURT330
      as well as currently being finalized over a version with an uninhabited tower.

      Which will fail.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 11 November 2018 22: 56
        -1
        Time will tell!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 November 2018 11: 42
          -1
          Quote: KURT330
          Time will tell!

          It will be a very long time.
  13. KURT330
    KURT330 12 November 2018 14: 31
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: KURT330
    Time will tell!

    It will be a very long time.

    And we have nowhere to hurry, we will wait))
  14. KURT330
    KURT330 12 November 2018 14: 31
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: KURT330
    but the territory of Turkey has increased over the past year, it is a fact!))

    Increased to the size of the Ottoman Port?

    Not yet, but at one time maybe more ..