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In Kiev, called the main version of mortar breaks "Hammer"

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The Ukrainian military prosecutor's office considers the double-loading of the main version of the “Hammer” mortar gaps, reports RIA News message press office departments.




In July, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reported a mortar rupture during a shooting at a training ground in the Rivne region, as a result of which 3 soldiers were killed and 9 were injured. After the emergency, the use of the Molotov was suspended. Criminal proceedings were instituted under the article “Violation of the rules for the treatment of weapons».

In September, it became known about the mortar break in the Donbass. Then two servicemen suffered.

As part of the criminal case, investigators also work out a version of the inadequate quality of the products, in connection with which they continue to conduct a comprehensive examination, during which the technical condition of the mortars and their compliance with their performance characteristics are checked by the manufacturer.

In addition, the State Audit Office, at the request of the prosecutor's office, conducts an audit of how efficiently the budgetary funds of the Ministry of Defense are used. In turn, the investigation finds out if there were any abuses on the part of defense officials when concluding a contract with a mortar manufacturing plant.

However, to date, "objective data", indicating not inadequate quality of products, could not be obtained, according to the release of the military prosecutor's office.

The press service added that today one of the main versions of mortar gaps are “double loading facts” and “violations of the shooting procedure”.

Investigation into the causes of incidents in criminal proceedings continues.
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  1. Tersky
    Tersky 8 November 2018 09: 09
    +14
    The main version is the complete absence of the brain in the cranium box. Actually, this is not a version, but a statement of the fact that they recognize:
    The press service added that today one of the main versions of mortar gaps are “double loading facts” and “violations of the shooting procedure”.
    only it doesn’t fit with this phrase
    Ukrainian Ministry of Defense reported a mortar rupture during firing at a firing range in the Rivne region, as a result of which 3 servicemen were killed and 9 injured
    Those. in "greenhouse" conditions, during test firing, the calculation allowed double loading winked
    1. Machito
      Machito 8 November 2018 09: 13
      +3
      The quality of Ukrainian weapons is in great doubt.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 8 November 2018 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        The quality of Ukrainian weapons is in great doubt.

        they are produced at the former "Forge of Ilyich", which belongs to Parashkin
        1. novel66
          novel66 8 November 2018 10: 07
          +6
          it's time to rename it to "Alekseich's forge" so as not to denigrate the bright name of the leader lol hi hi
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 8 November 2018 10: 12
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx

            it's time to rename it to "Alekseich's Forge"

            Hi hi
            renamed. just don’t remember how. but from the rearrangement, the quality is the same lol
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 8 November 2018 10: 24
              +1
              "Blacksmith on Rybalsky" (blacksmith on Rybalsky). And the quality is gradually improving.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 8 November 2018 10: 35
                +4
                Quote: revnagan
                And the quality is gradually improving.

                to the collapse of urkaina will improve completely?
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 8 November 2018 13: 50
                  +4
                  And how to fit "Russia is to blame" under "double loading"?
                  It will be interesting to follow the findings further.
        2. Dersturm
          Dersturm 8 November 2018 10: 49
          +5
          A portable land mine called "Hammer" is produced at the "Mayak" plant, where once tape recorders were made and electronics for the damned Soviet military.
        3. venik
          venik 8 November 2018 15: 35
          +1
          Quote: LSA57
          they are produced at the former "Forge of Ilyich", which belongs to Parashkin

          ========
          Well, actually, the plant used to be called "Lenin Forge"!!! And not the" Forge of Ilyich "! ... But the" controlling stake "- YES !!!" Swinofuehrer "belongs !!!
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 8 November 2018 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        The quality of Ukrainian weapons is in great doubt.

        You bet .. In May 2015, a task was issued to develop this mortar, and in August of the same year, the Hammer was already undergoing field tests. Three and a half months, this is a very small period even by Soviet standards (Great Patriotic War does not count), but for a half-ruined Ukraine
        the fifteenth year is generally science fiction, though not scientific ... what
        But that’s not all, trunk ruptures are already the visible part of the iceberg, above I gave the report of the commander of the mortar battery, even those who do not know the Ukrainian language will understand everything anyway. hi
    2. Jerk
      Jerk 8 November 2018 09: 15
      +7
      It especially sounds fun looking at the photo. What kind of canoe is on the muzzle? An hour not to prevent double loading? That is, either they deliver it to the troops WITHOUT it, they only remove it from the troops, because it doesn’t plow, right?
      Although, of course, the fact that dumb raguli were recruited into the army is also a fact ...
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 8 November 2018 09: 26
        +4
        You are right, just such a canoe is designed from double loading. Everything is mechanically simple there, such as an elementary lever system. He threw Mina, turned, locked the channel, flies back, is open.
        I have a "Military Encyclopedia" in 9 volumes for 1979 - a great THING winkAnd nothing changes in the principles, but it would seem?
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 8 November 2018 09: 49
          +3
          It is she who does not work. Well and not only she
      2. Sayan
        Sayan 8 November 2018 09: 48
        +3
        To be honest, don't care why they explode there - the more the better
    3. Finches
      Finches 8 November 2018 09: 39
      +5
      In Kiev, they called the main version of the mortar explosions "Hammer" - the hand of Moscow! laughing
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 8 November 2018 11: 09
        +4
        Zhenya hi
        Curvature of one’s own is more difficult to recognize than to blame everything on Russia. yes
        one of the main versions of mortar ruptures is “double loading facts” and “violation of the order of firing”

        And the double-load safety device is a communist legacy, one must think? Or is he completely absent on the "hammers"? Or is it just the curvature of such a system that does not work? In general, everything is as usual ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2018 11: 17
          +4
          Hi Pash hi

          You're right! I saw here on some Ukrainian small town website the thesis about Moscow’s hand even in the fact that they have a fecal hand flowing from a leaky sewer ... It’s much easier to explain that the money allocated to maintain the sewage system was stolen ... So it is!
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 8 November 2018 11: 25
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            It’s much easier to explain that the money allocated to maintain the sewage system was stolen

            Exactly ! Why understand the curvature of their own faces and blame the mirror, if everything can be blamed on Russia (thereby being in the trend of Russophobia)? Europe and the USA applaud, come ...
    4. Mokele-membe
      Mokele-membe 8 November 2018 16: 49
      0
      I suspect that there is no one to prepare the calculations.
    5. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 8 November 2018 19: 12
      +1
      Those. in "greenhouse" conditions, during test firing, the calculation allowed double loading
      And descent to pull preferably from the bunker
  2. Machete
    Machete 8 November 2018 09: 11
    +2
    Well right: it’s always easier to blame a soldier for stupidity than to do a good thing.
    So it was, is and will be.
  3. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 8 November 2018 09: 14
    +4
    In the hands of the Banderlog, the mortar itself plays a game of "Russian roulette".
  4. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 8 November 2018 09: 14
    +3
    Fu ... Relieved. The "hand of Moscow" was thinking again.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 November 2018 09: 16
    +4
    Corruption is the main version of this case. Mortars are sprinkled from "roofing iron", the VP has its own gesheft in place, and the MO has its own. The factory is in business ... And the soldiers ... But who counted them?
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2018 09: 19
    +1
    double loading
    What about a double-loading fuse that should be located at the edge of the barrel? Or was there not enough metal on him? If the mortars are produced at the Poroshenko plant, then of course the culprits will be guilty, not the quality of the products.
    1. Every
      Every 8 November 2018 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      double loading
      What about a double-loading fuse that should be located at the edge of the barrel? Or was there not enough metal on him? If the mortars are produced at the Poroshenko plant, then of course the culprits will be guilty, not the quality of the products.

      Exactly. I also drew attention to the fuse. Judging by the photo in the article, he is there. But then throwing a second mine into the barrel is simply impossible, the fuse blocks access until the first mine flies out. Like a bypass valve, it only works one way.
  7. forcecom
    forcecom 8 November 2018 09: 20
    +1
    It is strange that the prosecutor’s office didn’t say that they have secret videos that show that the second mine is unnoticed by the Darkest (well, or Kozhegetych)
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          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 8 November 2018 10: 17
            +2
            There could be several factors. I doubt that the matter is in the quality of the mortar's manufacture, nevertheless there is an analogue of military acceptance there and they would not have missed an outright "get on". There can be several reasons for the barrel rupture, in addition to the quality of steel and its manufacture: 1-barrel deformation during transportation in combat conditions. If the mortar was transported fixed to the end of the barrel along bumps-gullies at an increased speed, then it could get damaged - bend, etc. cleaned, 2-dirty mine, 3-mine made with violations, 4-expired additional charges, 5- etc. As you can see, there can be many reasons, double loading is also possible with a faulty locking mechanism from it.
            1. parkello
              parkello 9 November 2018 14: 05
              0
              bend the barrel of the mortar, it is very necessary to really try. in my opinion there is only one reason to be there - the explosive charges that breaks and detonates and the weight of gunpowder and the trotill in the mine. from storage, especially the wrong kick knocks become deadly. I remember back in Georgia in 1987, our major., fingers were torn off, namely with a knockout charge. It was somewhat similar to a cardboard cartridge from a signal pistol, only thinner. he tried to stick it into the mines shank, the mine was a signal one. from the lightning that they would lower by parachute. and so ... well that is not OF. but about double loading, it probably came from the Americans to them. Amer 82 mm mortars do not have a fuse. and there double charging is possible.
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  8. BAI
    BAI 8 November 2018 09: 51
    +1
    double loading facts

    This problem was solved during the war.
  9. sgr291158
    sgr291158 8 November 2018 11: 03
    +2
    From this drunken rabble can be expected and triple loading.
  10. Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 November 2018 12: 00
    +1
    It's strange. Fuse. If it is not there, the calculation is to blame. If there is, but does not work - the manufacturer. It is difficult to prove the guilt of the calculation, so let's put it off for now. But the operation of the fuse can be checked in all parts and connections. Of each product. A piece of swinging pipe with a fuse seat at one end. He threw the simulator down, tilted it, the simulator jumped out. I did it 10 times, put the next one. I checked all the fuses in the part, threw the pipe over the trunk, went to the next one. The main thing is not to trust the locals, they will be "checked"!
    What am I saying wrong?
  11. Mokele-membe
    Mokele-membe 8 November 2018 16: 50
    -1
    Raguli took up mortars ... They do not know how.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2018 19: 52
    0
    In short, the fact of double detention means that the victims themselves are to blame! How much interesting money did the owners of the Mayak plant have to pay for such a verdict of the Ukrainian authorities?
  13. Blackbeard
    Blackbeard 8 November 2018 20: 12
    0
    judging by the findings, they will continue to self-destruct
  14. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 9 November 2018 07: 23
    0
    The Ukrainian military prosecutor's office considers double loading as the main version of the mortar explosions "Hammer"

    Fuh ... and I thought that now they would be dumped on the "damned Muscovites" again. Although...
    It is possible that this invisible Putin puts a second mine into each pipe.