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In the Russian Federation, the development of a promising bomber continues

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Russian designers continue to work on creating a promising long-range aviation complex aviation, transmits RIA News Post United Aircraft Corporation (UAC).




It is noted that work on the development of this project is under special control of the supreme commander and minister of defense.

In addition, much attention is paid to the modernization of the strategic missile-carriers Tu-160M and Tu-95MS, as well as the restoration of production of the Tu-160M. By updating these machines, the air component of Russia's strategic nuclear forces is significantly enhanced.

Earlier, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko reported that the PAK DA will be built using stealth technology.

In October, a competition was announced for OCD on the engine of the airline. The tender documentation contains the customer's requirement that the main and duplicate electronic systems of the power plant must ensure the flight of a bomber of up to 30 hours.

Also, according to the requirements, the systems of hydromechanical regulation and fuel supply must operate at near-zero and negative overloads up to 2,7 g at ambient temperatures from -60 to + 50Сº. In this case, the service life of products must be 12 years with the possibility of its extension to 21 year.

In addition, the customer stressed that the engine must be resistant to the effects of the damaging factors of nuclear weapons.

At the beginning of 2018, Dmitry Rogozin, being in the position of deputy prime minister, expressed the hope that the tests of PAK DA will begin closer to the year of 2024. He also said that this year the Tupolev Design Bureau began the active design phase of the airline.
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  1. LSA57
    LSA57 8 November 2018 08: 28
    +2
    In October, a competition was announced for OCD on the engine of the airline. The tender documentation contains the customer's requirement that the main and duplicate electronic systems of the power plant must ensure the flight of a bomber of up to 30 hours.

    from a number of fiction. but it is today. I strongly believe that our designers will be able to make such a power plant
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 8 November 2018 08: 39
      +14
      Quote: LSA57
      designers will be able to make such a power plant

      Yes, if you dig into the coffers of our Soviet inventors - designers, there you can find one like that !!! Where are science fiction dreamers there, they have never dreamed of like that .....
      It’s another matter, sho then our industry was such that now it seems to be a fantasy from the past!
      1. Random
        Random 8 November 2018 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        Yes, if you dig into the coffers of our Soviet inventors - designers, there you can find one like that !!!

        I agree, you can, but that's where to get ... a "new base" for this ....?
        And so .. the article is about nothing .. someone .. somewhere ... "spied", and maybe "leaked" or "threw in" some "requirements" from the TTZ while they are standard in terms of temperatures and resources, but in terms of duration ... this is already "fuck off", then the systems can no longer work for more than 30 hours? wassat
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 8 November 2018 10: 55
          +1
          The article recalled that there is a problem.
          Our doubts are justified, because we understand that our possibilities are much less than those of the USSR.
          Again, do we have reason to expect solutions to these and similar problems, or can we get worse?
          I have no optimism on this topic, something is being done, but this is clearly not enough.
          1. Random
            Random 8 November 2018 13: 14
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            I have no optimism on this topic, something is being done, but this is clearly not enough.
            Reply

            And not only you do not have it ... this .. "optimism" for PAK-DA ... unfortunately soldier
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 November 2018 12: 16
          +2
          Quote: Random
          And so ... the article is about nothing.

          Pteradactyl my respect. hi
          You know, friend, what a crazy idea came to my mind ... I won’t be surprised if PAK YES is ... unmanned.
          Yes, yes ... I know that we have a strike UAV and there is no tone in 20 today, but ... who said that we are not developing an overload in an unmanned version? M
          1. Random
            Random 8 November 2018 13: 18
            +3
            Quote: NEXUS
            You know, friend, what a crazy idea came to my mind ... I won’t be surprised if PAK YES is ... unmanned.

            Yes, the thought is really ... from the cycle ... "to dream" wink
            Quote: NEXUS
            we have an impact UAV and no 20 ton today, but ... who said that we are not developing an overdraft in an unmanned version?

            Having nothing .. heavier than 3-5 tons Gvzl. and "develop" something .. "super heavy"? wink \ "Horns and hooves" remember? this is just from that ... "series" laughing
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 8 November 2018 13: 45
              +4
              Quote: Random
              Yes, the thought is really ... from the cycle ... "to dream"

              But agree, it is painfully tempting.
              Quote: Random
              Having nothing .. heavier than 3-5 tons Gvzl. and "develop" something .. "super heavy"?

              Friendly, and if we repeat after the West, we will not chase. You say horns and hooves ... well, yes, it seems. But sadly, we essentially have no choice if we want to regain our positions in the combat aircraft industry.
              1. Random
                Random 8 November 2018 14: 00
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                But agree, it is painfully tempting.

                So undeniably good
                Do you remember the gorgeous development from the Sukhoi Design Bureau "product 200" (T-4MS)?
                I regret it very much crying
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: Random
                  Do you remember the gorgeous development from the Sukhoi Design Bureau "product 200" (T-4MS)?
                  I regret it very much

                  Wow, my friend doesn’t pour salt on me ... The plane is outstanding, but ... dear and leaping not like years, decades. In addition, the designers have such an unspoken rule that there should be up to 50% of innovations in the new aircraft, then it will fly. And in Sotka there were already 85% of them.
                  And I’ll say, even though I like Swan, but thanks in part to Tupolev, Sotka didn’t go into the series. Sorry.
                  1. Random
                    Random 8 November 2018 14: 15
                    +8
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    but thanks in part to Tupolev, Weaving did not go into the series.

                    Andrey ... not in part, but almost completely. For Tupolev, the authority, the KAPO plant (which was Tupolev's) and the late Pavel Stepanovich Kutakhov, who materialized like ... "a compromise in the form of a solution -" ... "You know, let's decide this way. Yes, the design of the P.O. Sukhoi Design Bureau is better, we gave it its due, but it has already become involved in the development of the Su-27 fighter, which we really, really need. Therefore, we will make such a decision: we recognize that the winner of the competition is the Sukhoi Design Bureau, we will oblige to transfer all materials to the Tupolev Design Bureau so that it can carry out further work ... " crying
                    A V.V. Reshetnikov (Commander of the DA) was then categorically against the Tu-160 soldier
                    I personally know Reshetnikov (I conducted a joint statement of the problem of checking the air defense of the entire Kiev Military District soldier ).
                    That was Commander fellow ... Having listened to all the Commanders of the Aviation Clans, he said (literally - ".... what is your 200 meter height, this is a WWI ..... what do you mean ....." eat soup "... but if we during the war, at such heights, they flew to attack troops, then ....... "further synonyms" are not enough "... in short, so ..... I allow 50 meters over land, over the sea ... whoever can, only do not look into the portholes of ships and do not pass over the ships " soldier
                    Well, it started ..... fellow soldier
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: Random
                      “You know, let's decide this. Yes, the design bureau of P.O. Sukhoi is better, we paid tribute to him, but it has already become involved in the development of the Su-27 fighter, which we really need. Therefore, we will make this decision: we acknowledge that the winner of the competition is Sukhoi Design Bureau, we are obliged to transfer all materials to the Tupolev Design Bureau so that it carries out further work ... "

                      Somehow I talked with SSI on this topic. Look ... since PAK YES is being developed from scratch, so what bothered us from the same zero, having finished the Weaving to put it into series? The bomber is even now outstanding. But we need a cheap B-2 Russian spill. Why, still do not understand.
                      1. Random
                        Random 8 November 2018 14: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        , so what bothered us from the same zero, having finished the Weaving to put it in series?

                        I can’t answer this question ... on the T-4MS everything was already ready according to the documentation and the project .... but here .... request
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Random
                        on T-4MS everything was already ready according to the documentation and the project .... but here ....

                        Actually there were three modifications of the T-4. And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, one still flew.
                      3. Random
                        Random 8 November 2018 14: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Actually there were three modifications of the T-4. And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, one still flew.

                        Yes T-4 "weaving" (which flew), T-4M and T-4MS (these are projects).
                        Well, officially, the topic was closed by a resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of 19.12.1975.
                        It indicated such a reason for the cessation of work on the "hundred" - "in order to concentrate forces and means on the creation of the Tu-160 as the main strategic multi-purpose aircraft" bully
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 41
                        +3
                        Quote: Random
                        It indicated such a reason for the cessation of work on the "hundred" - "in order to concentrate forces and means on the creation of the Tu-160 as the main strategic multi-purpose aircraft"

                        An extra reason to recall our Soviet elites with a kind swear word.
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 8 November 2018 22: 38
                        +2
                        Donetsk.
                        The T-4 was good. Good ... But not a strategist. As a scout missile carrier anti-ship, according to the AUG - for that there was a technical assignment for him. A multi-purpose did not come out of it, for low-altitude flight unsuitable. Its working level was 20 - 000 m. At that altitude, although at 24-000 km / h, it was not a goal - a dream for air defense. I’m telling you like an old Pvoshnik. At such an altitude, it’s not like 2500 km. (this is the range of the radio horizon at an altitude of 3000 m.), and for all 400 km. it will be visible like a soaring bast shoe (mark on the VIKO station in the meter range). Easy prey is a high-altitude target, even if flying on 10 Machs.
                        And therefore, as a weapon of the strategic bomber, the Teperich missile is a winged, long-range missile, at 4500–5500 km. flying (X-101-102), then neither record speed nor stratospheric altitude is necessary. He only needs to take off from the secluded aerodrome at his own time, and from the distance of a safe rocket in the edge of the Arctic missile launch good things. There is at least an IL-96 with six reels for 8-10 rackets each, outfit and rejoice ... The Americans also wanted to do such a thing with a Boeing 747 ...
                        I don’t know what the Tupolev Design Bureau was composing, but they had some groundwork for the “flying wing” strategic back in the days of the Great Scoop - Blessed, Indestructible ... We would have to renew the current Tu-160 ... for the same type ... Yes Put Tu-22 M3M into series, but quickly, and more, so that there is enough for three fleets for a regiment, and even a couple of regiments for different, deliberate affairs. No time for exoticism now.
                      6. LSA57
                        LSA57 8 November 2018 16: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Actually there were three modifications of the T-4. And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, one still flew.

                        I saw one in 2014 in Monino. at the Aviation Museum. even photographed. I was looking for a photo now, I could not find ((
                  2. Alexey-74
                    Alexey-74 8 November 2018 14: 54
                    +2
                    The time has come to renew the "Product 200", but taking into account modern technologies. And I think the Ministry of Defense and Design Bureau will rely on this model.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexey-74
                      The time has come to renew the "Product 200", but taking into account modern technologies. And I think the Ministry of Defense and Design Bureau will rely on this model.

                      No ... Weaving in afterburner gave out 3000 km / h, and PAK YES will be subsonic. A completely different strategy and tactics of application. Weaving was ground to break through the enemy’s air defense, and PAK YES will not break through anywhere. That is why they are developing missiles based on the X-101 with an increased range, so as not to enter the enemy’s air defense zone.
                      1. Alexey-74
                        Alexey-74 8 November 2018 15: 02
                        +1
                        Perhaps, but we are still building on the statements of officials that the PAK DA will be subsonic. If it is subsonic and does not leave the borders of the Russian Federation, then the point is to do it then using the "Stealth" technology? In general, there are options, let them only create and then we will discuss ...
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 8 November 2018 23: 01
                        0
                        Donetsk.
                        The fact of the matter is that the rockets for our bomber are subsonic. Therefore, they don’t need a supersonic carrier, and they have a range for launching safe ... Well, the fact that they are sculpted in the Stealth configuration is apparently for the purpose of multifunctionality ... well, and so as to seem no worse than others - the image is also an important thing .
                  3. sedoj
                    sedoj 8 November 2018 21: 39
                    +1
                    Found fmlm on "weaving":
                  4. Lozovik
                    Lozovik 9 November 2018 23: 13
                    0
                    Tupolev has nothing to do with it, the Sukhovites themselves are to blame, who promised unrealistic characteristics. With 47 tons of fuel, having a range of 6000, which is at M = 0,9, that at M = 2,83, and with four such guzzling engines as the RD-36-41 is fantastic! Obviously, the aircraft was doomed to failure, achieved on the tests M = 1,36 is another confirmation of this.
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 8 November 2018 14: 16
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                But agree, it is painfully tempting.
                What's the point? For a small aircraft, the unmanned version means saving a significant amount on the pilot's life support, for a large aircraft, the relative mass of the "pilot" is not so great.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: Simargl
                  for a large one, the relative mass of the "pilot" is not so great.

                  It's not about the mass of the pilot. An unmanned platform can hang in the air for as long as you want. The second is a matter of ceiling limit, speed, etc. ... say a manned bomber does not climb above 20-22 km. And the drone can climb on 30 and 40. And now we recall the possibility of air defense on the ceiling of the interception.
                  And third, we stupidly do not substitute the lives of pilots. Which 10-15 must be taught for years, swell money immeasurably. And the operator of such a UAV is a completely different carriage.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 8 November 2018 14: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And the operator of such a UAV is a completely different carriage.
                    With such a range, only AI, because EW do not sleep, i.e. the operator can only lead through its territory.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    a manned bomber will not climb above 20-22 km.
                    belay Why?! Is the secret to life support technology lost?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And the drone can rise by 30 and 40.
                    good What's the difference? We need the right engines and glider.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And now we recall the possibility of air defense on the ceiling of the interception.
                    now - 600 km: satellites are in danger. So what?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 8 November 2018 14: 39
                      +2
                      Quote: Simargl
                      With such a range, only AI, because EW do not sleep, i.e. the operator can only lead through its territory.

                      Well on the EW ... to interrupt the signal from the satellite still have to try.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      Why?! Is the secret to life support technology lost?

                      Excuse me, why the hell is that all? Well, you would have tried 12 hours and at the helm, but in stress ... I think you would not be reasoning right now.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      What's the difference? We need the right engines and glider.

                      Wrong engine stupidly will not lift the car even a meter.
                      Quote: Simargl
                      now - 600 km: satellites are in danger. So what?

                      Wow ... exactly 600 km? In height I say, not in range. These are slightly different concepts. In height, if not mistaken, to 30-35 km. I could be wrong, but not by much.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 8 November 2018 16: 11
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Well on the EW ... to interrupt the signal from the satellite still have to try.
                        If you fight with Zimbabwe-they can not. But the main opponents - they will succeed.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        So you would try 12 hours yes at the helm, but in stress
                        No. I haven’t tried ... at the helm ... but in stress (emergency or something) - more than once. Now, even in small aircraft, clutching the helm does not spend all the time of flight. The UAV operator will not have much better conditions - the toilet is, perhaps, better. But with psychological pressure - worse, because generalissimo can breathe physically in the back.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Wow ... exactly 600 km? In height I say, not in range.
                        The S-400 claimed 35, the Patriot 27.
                        I talked about anti-satellite missiles.
                        Do you think that if a plane appears with a ceiling of 40 km, a rocket with a ceiling of 45 km does not appear? Naive.
                        And to intercept the bomber they will lift the interceptor (plane), albeit with a ceiling of 18 km, but the air-to-air rocket will have + 25-30 km.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 8 November 2018 16: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        I talked about anti-satellite missiles.

                        You see what the catch is, a satellite is not a bomber. The satellite has a clear orbit, predictable and known, as well as speed, but with a bomber, everything is completely wrong. So alas, such a missile is hardly suitable for intercepting strategists.
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Do you think that if a plane appears with a ceiling of 40 km, a rocket with a ceiling of 45 km does not appear? Naive.

                        Of course will appear. In general, I believe that all this economy will go into space soon.
                      3. Simargl
                        Simargl 8 November 2018 18: 27
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        The satellite has a clear orbit, predictable and known, as well as speed
                        Yeah. This was before the advent of maneuvering satellites.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Of course will appear. In general, I believe that all this economy will go into space soon.
                        You are inconsistent. Either your satellite can’t maneuver, or the bombers must leave 40 km in height, and missile defense systems will not develop for them, or what?
                        At the moment, the manned strategist is more stable. As a UAV, it is not needed at all, because It is very simple to break the communication channel and then it will be controlled by the AI ​​(today the problem is not solved), or by the pilot. So that...
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 8 November 2018 18: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Yeah. This was before the advent of maneuvering satellites.

                        I'm interested, but at least one maneuvering satellite from the ground was intercepted? M
                        Quote: Simargl
                        As a UAV it’s not needed at all,

                        You tell this mattress with their X-37, yeah ...
                      5. Simargl
                        Simargl 8 November 2018 19: 53
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        at least one maneuvering satellite from the ground intercepted?
                        This is just the beginning.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You tell this mattress with their X-37, yeah ...
                        X-37 is a laboratory. The product is far away.
                        I do not think that in combat mode the Atlas will withdraw it.
                        And I don’t think that there will be no AI.
        3. Tarhan
          Tarhan 8 November 2018 16: 38
          -3
          It looks like the story of the Su-57. For 17 years, a PR fire fighter of the 5th generation, but did not go into the series, the troops did not.

          Now the new toy was given to the Urashniks for the next 17 years. Admire articles will be admired.
    2. Machito
      Machito 8 November 2018 09: 15
      +8
      The surname of Krivoruchko at the Deputy Minister of Defense is very annoying. hi
      Well not Ruko ... opov.
      1. pomegranate
        pomegranate 8 November 2018 09: 33
        +2
        The main thing is not Krivogolovushko.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 November 2018 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: Bearded
        The surname of Krivoruchko at the Deputy Minister of Defense is very annoying. hi
        Well not Ruko ... opov.

        Well, he’s deputy. MO, not a constructor. He can have such a surname. laughing
        1. Chicha squad
          Chicha squad 8 November 2018 11: 36
          +2
          He is the Director of the Kalashnikov Concern
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 8 November 2018 14: 09
            0
            I read what I read. request
            Ранее Deputy Defense Minister Alexey Krivoruchko reported ...
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 November 2018 13: 03
        +2
        Tact and intelligence from you and rushing.
    3. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 8 November 2018 09: 57
      -1
      in 20 years it will fly if money is not stolen.
    4. Iline
      Iline 8 November 2018 13: 05
      +3
      I quote: [quoteAccording to the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense, a new record was set the other day for the flight duration, which amounted to 40 hours. That is how much time two Russian strategic Tu-95MS bombers spent in the sky.] [/ Quote]
      And that was during my service.
      About Tu-160:
      The duration of today's flight exceeded the previous figure by two hours and amounted to about 23 hours, while the flight range was about 18 thousand km, "- Lieutenant Colonel Vladimir Drik, representative of the press service and information department of the RF Ministry of Defense.

      The problems are not in the engines, by and large, but in the crew’s fatigue and in the ability to carry out the necessary number of aircraft refueling along the flight route.
    5. SN M
      SN M 8 November 2018 15: 58
      0
      The meaning of the article is not very clear. As you read the articles, it seems that Russia is only doing what it is only designing and developing. So when at least a promising model is ready, then you can write.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2018 08: 38
    +3
    the beginning of the 2018 year, Dmitry Rogozin, as Vice Prime Minister, hoped that the PAK DA tests will begin closer to the 2024 year.

    ... somehow it is hard to believe in the declared ... only if his words are classified as "expressed hope" ...
  3. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 8 November 2018 08: 40
    0
    Too much - five years before the tests. It is necessary to speed up the work.
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 8 November 2018 08: 48
    -1
    At the beginning of the 2018 year, Dmitry Rogozin, as vice-premier, expressed the hope that the tests of the PAK YES would begin closer to the 2024 year.

    If this bloke gets involved in this project, then a scribe will definitely come to him. The construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome in all its glory has shown what it is worth.
  5. prior
    prior 8 November 2018 08: 57
    +2
    Then, on the basis of PAK DA, make a civilian version and call it "Cortege -2".
  6. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 8 November 2018 09: 06
    +1
    In the Russian Federation, the development of a promising bomber continues

    Repair of TAVKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" is also continuing, the result will be similar ...
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 8 November 2018 09: 33
      +6
      Quote: Puncher
      Repair of TAVKR "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" is also continuing, the result will be similar ...

      such as you listen, well, everything is bad with us.
      and an army without tanks.
      and aviation without planes.
      and a fleet without ships.
      and rockets don’t fly at all.
      well why do you see one negative ??? were these in childhood?
      then why are RA afraid and respected ??
      and it didn’t occur to you that if she were as weak as you and others like her, they would have trampled RUSSIA.
      and since this does not happen, then Russia and its Army are alive.
      and you and you alike, IT
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 8 November 2018 10: 26
        +5
        So the person did not write about missiles and tanks. although ... Yes, we have Soviet tanks, you can forget the promises about Armata and Boomerangs (made in the 13-14th years). Soviet planes are deeply modernized (like the Su-35), promises about the Su-57 (also made in 13-14) can be forgotten, the fleet - with such a rate of arrival of new ships (pr22350 and 11356), it will not be long and without ships. If you remember, then by 2020 we should have had 8 Boreis and 8 Ash trees, do you think they will have time in 2 years ?? Rockets are ICBMs, yes, our pride, but in general, space is a mess. The meaning is different, that everything that we are promised is not fulfilled. The terms of design, construction, or repair are endlessly shifted "to the right". And why would anyone trample on Russia, if anyone needs to be pumped out of it without a war.
      2. Korax71
        Korax71 8 November 2018 12: 16
        0
        I would like to have the same optimism as you good but in our life it’s even more reliably restrained and critical of statements from above that I wouldn’t be upset again. This is not because of all-propagating, all-country feelings. This is just in case repeat
      3. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 8 November 2018 16: 08
        -1
        Quote: LSA57
        such as you listen, well, everything is bad with us.

        Judging by the optimism for years you are not rich, I can only sincerely envy.
  7. kebeskin
    kebeskin 8 November 2018 09: 54
    +1
    Well, the serial production will be launched by the 50th year. Su-57 has already been put into production for 8 years "a whole bunch"
  8. akudr48
    akudr48 8 November 2018 10: 08
    +1
    Work continues, work continues, continues, continues ...
    As the saying goes, where is the beginning of the end that this continuation ends with?
  9. pavelty
    pavelty 8 November 2018 10: 49
    +1
    Tu-95 upgrade? A glider resource, it’s not eternal ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 8 November 2018 10: 53
      +3
      The B-52s will spend 100 years in the service ... our carcasses are the same age (even younger), what prevents them from reaching the logical end with different types of modernization? Even, for example, not bombers, strategic intelligence (which we do not have)?
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 November 2018 10: 55
    +2
    I wonder what kind of engine will be taken as a basis? For example, on the B-1B (200 tons) there is 4x15 tons of thrust ... On the Tu-160 (300 tons) -4x25 tons.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 8 November 2018 16: 53
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      What engine will be taken as a basis?

      The PAK YES aircraft, subsonic and long-range, requires economical engines that have a high bypass ratio, such as those of CFM International LEAP-1B engines, which were based on the recently crashed Boeing 737 MAX 8, or as older, but shorter CFM56-5A . It is also desirable to have the possibility of shortened take-off and vertical landing.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 November 2018 16: 56
        0
        This is a matter of double-circuit and the presence of an afterburner .... Accordingly, we have (will) PS-90 16-17tn, PD-14-14tn, something based on NK-32-about 20tn ... and promising PD-35 -30-35tn.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 17 November 2018 21: 18
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          we have (will) PS-90 16-17tn, PD-14-14tn, something based on NK-32-about 20tn ... and promising PD-35 -30-35tn.

          Floppy options using the engines you mentioned:
          Option A: Diskette with 4 engines: 4 × TRDDF NK-32.
          455 tons maximum take-off weight taking into account the specific load of 1185 kg / m2 per blade as a rotary wing of TU-160 (analogue of retractable diskette blades)
          1185 kg / m2 specific load per blade area
          342 tons mass fuel + payload
          201 tons maximum fuel mass, according to the total volume of fuel tanks
          141 t payload mass
          127 m / s rotational speed of the ends of the blades

          Option B: Disco with 4 engines: 4 × turbofan engine PD-14.
          277 tons maximum take-off weight like the TU-160
          720 kg / m2 specific load per blade area
          164 tons mass fuel + payload
          148 tons of fuel, like the TU-160
          16 t payload
          99 m / s rotational speed of the ends of the blades 356,4 km / h
          5,337E + 05 Newton - the reactive thrust of the tangential exhaust turbofan at a radius of 11 m compensates for the moment of braking forces to rotate the blades at a radius of 26 m
          2,258E + 05 Newton Fx = 0.5 * ro * V ^ 2 * S * Cx, frontal rotation resistance of the blades 23,0tns
          2,710E+06 Newton Fy=0.5*ro*V^2*S*Cy, vertical takeoff lift 276,5tns
          0,1 Cx - drag coefficient of the wing. Cx = 0,05 ... 0,1 depends on the profile and angle of attack of the wing
          1,2 Cy - wing lift coefficient. Cy = 1,0 ... 1,2 depends on the profile and angle of attack of the wing
          0,526 (kg / h) / kgf Specific fuel consumption of the turbojet engine PD-14 per unit of traction
          28,65 t / h maximum fuel consumption
          5,17 h flight with rotating blades at maximum thrust

          Option B: specific load on the blade as MI-26 524kg / m2
          201 tons maximum take-off weight taking into account the specific load on the blade like MI-26 524 kg / m2
          524 kg / m2 specific load per blade area
          89 tons mass fuel + payload
          85 m / s rotational speed of the ends of the blades

          In all cases, the following mass-dimensional characteristics of the diskette were used:
          10 m inner radius of the rotatable ring
          20 m radius of the beginning of the blades (outer radius of the rotated diskette ring)
          26 m radius of the ends of the blades
          384 m2 area 32pcs rectangular blades 2 * 6m each
          11 tons mass of 32 pieces of blades, taking into account the specific mass of the blade 28 kg / m2 as in MI-26
          53 tons mass of the rotatable ring excluding the blades, with a specific mass of the rotatable ring 2 * 28 kg / m2
          49 tn. Mass of the non-rotatable fuselage disk, taking into account the specific load of 156 kg / m2 as in B-2 Spirit
          113 tons empty weight (i.e., without fuel and payload)
          201 tons maximum fuel mass, according to the total volume of fuel tanks
          On the inner edge of the rotatable diskette disk, radial blades of heat-resistant alloy are located at an angle to the vertical axis to convert the axial exhaust of the turbojet engine to tangential exhaust.
          Maximum thrust is needed only with vertical take-off. In horizontal flight at an altitude of 10 km, you do not need to rotate the blades. Therefore, the necessary thrust for horizontal flight at an altitude of 10 km is less than the maximum thrust by ~ 3 times, the flight time is more than 15 hours
          The lifting force acting on the tail of the diskette due to the axial component of the exhaust velocity of the turbofan engine is compensated by the negative lifting force due to the tangential component of the exhaust velocity of the turbofan engine under the rotary ring with blades
          In the future, you can use 2 rotary (like a tiltrotor) turbofan engine PD-35 on pylons on the sides of the fuselage above the inner edge of the rotatable ring on the horizontal axis of the center of mass.
          It is also possible to equip 2 PD-35 turbofan engines with rotary nozzles, as in F-35B
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 17 November 2018 21: 35
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            You did not consider 4x Product 30, like B-21
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 17 November 2018 21: 37
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              What is his craving for afterburner?
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 17 November 2018 22: 10
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                They promise 18-19tn
                1. Svetlana
                  Svetlana 18 November 2018 22: 56
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                  For such a traction 18-19tn 2x turbofan engine №30 is enough. Accordingly, the mass-dimensional characteristics will also decrease:
                  5 m inner radius of the rotatable ring
                  10 m radius of the beginning of the blades (outer radius of the rotated diskette ring)
                  4 m blade length
                  1,33 m blade width
                  14 m radius of the ends of the blades
                  171 m2 area 32pcs rectangular blades 4m * 1,33m each
                  5 tons mass of 32 pieces of blades, taking into account the specific mass of the blade 28 kg / m2 as in MI-26
                  13 tons mass of the rotatable ring excluding the blades, with a specific mass of the rotatable ring 2 * 28 kg / m2
                  29 tn. Mass of the non-rotatable fuselage disk, taking into account the specific load of 372 kg / m2 as in B-2 Spirit
                  47 tons empty weight (i.e., without fuel and payload)
                  73 tons maximum fuel mass, according to the total volume of fuel tanks
                  199 t maximum take-off weight in terms of lift
                  1166 kg / m2 specific load on the blade area, as on the TU-160 rotary wing (analogue of retractable diskette blades)
                  152 tons mass fuel + payload
                  73 tons of fuel, like the B-2 Spirit
                  79 t payload
                  126 m / s rotational speed of the ends of the blades (453,6 km / h)
                  3,522E + 05 Newton reactive thrust of tangential exhaust turbofan №30 at a radius of 6m compensates for the moment of braking forces to rotate the blades at a radius of 14m
                  1,626E + 05 Newton Fx = 0.5 * ro * V ^ 2 * S * Cx, frontal rotation resistance of the blades 16,6 tns
                  1,951E+06 Newton Fy=0.5*ro*V^2*S*Cy, vertical takeoff lift 199,1 tf
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 19 November 2018 13: 44
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                    As far as I understand, a subsonic aircraft does not need a turbojet engine with an afterburner .... Accordingly, the real thrust "30" will be 14-15 tons ... like the PD-14.
                    1. Svetlana
                      Svetlana 19 November 2018 17: 04
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                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      Subsonic aircraft do not need turbojet engines with afterburner ..

                      The PAK DA subsonic aircraft (like the B-21) do not need turbofan engines (turbojet dual-circuit engines with afterburner). Turbojet engines are needed for SU-57 (like F-22) with afterburner supersonic flight mode. Therefore, for PAK DA, it is likely that not a 4x Product 30 will be used, but a modification of the TRRDF No. 30, without an afterburner and a greater degree of bypass for economy. But you can also consider options for supersonic VTOL disks, for which the afterburner will be necessary to reach heights of more than 40 km and into outer space.
                      1. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 21 November 2018 16: 44
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                        weight and size characteristics of a diskette according to the specified formulas:
                        5 m inner radius of the rotatable ring
                        10 m radius of the beginning of the blades (outer radius of the rotated diskette ring) Rн
                        4 m blade length
                        1,33 m width (chord) of the blade h
                        14 m radius of the ends of the blades Rк
                        171 m2 area 32pcs rectangular blades 4m * 1,33m each
                        5 tons mass of 32 pieces of blades, taking into account the specific mass of the blade 28 kg / m2 as in MI-26
                        13 tons mass of the rotatable ring excluding the blades, with a specific mass of the rotatable ring 2 * 28 kg / m2
                        29 tn. Mass of the non-rotatable fuselage disk, taking into account the specific load of 372 kg / m2 as in B-2 Spirit
                        47 tons empty weight (i.e., without fuel and payload)
                        73 tons maximum fuel mass, according to the total volume of fuel tanks
                        148 tons maximum take-off weight by lift 148 tons
                        1166 kg / m2 specific load on the blade area, as on the TU-160 rotary wing (analogue of retractable diskette blades)
                        100 tons mass fuel + payload 100 tons
                        73 tons of fuel, like the B-2 Spirit
                        27 t payload 27 t
                        126 m / s rotational speed of the ends of the blades (453,6 km / h)
                        2,46E + 05 Newton reactive thrust of the tangential exhaust of two turbofan engines №30 at a radius of 6 m compensates for the moment of braking forces to rotate the blades at radii of 10 ... 14m. The required total tangential thrust from two turbofan engines №30 is 25,1tns. Taking into account losses on the translation of horizontal thrust into vertical and then into tangential, the necessary axial thrust will be 2 * 14t
                        1,47E + 06 Newton Fx = 0.5 * ro * h * Cx * N * W ^ 2 (Rк ^ 4-Rн ^ 4) / 4, the moment of air resistance to rotation of the blades 1,50E + 02 tns * m
                        1,45E + 06 Newton Fy = 0.5 * ro * h * Cy * N * W ^ 2 * (Rк ^ 3-Rн ^ 3) * / 3, lift at vertical take-off = 1,48E + 02 tf, h = 1,33m-chord of the blade, N = 32 pcs number of blades
                      2. Svetlana
                        Svetlana 14 December 2018 00: 38
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                        Side view of a diskette with a diameter of 30m at the ends of the blades:

                        View from above:
  11. snake
    snake 8 November 2018 12: 43
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    In the Russian Federation, the development of a promising bomber continues

    And the battle continues again. And the heart is anxious in the chest. And Lenin is so young and young October is ahead!
    It's good that "continues". It's bad that they can say: "PAK YES is too expensive, Tu-160 is still nothing like that, while we are producing it (a couple of dozen)."
  12. Larum
    Larum 8 November 2018 13: 23
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    Hooray! We’ll do the project, but we won’t release it. Surely.
    Because and so ahead of the rest, why new models?
  13. Engineer
    Engineer 8 November 2018 13: 41
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    In addition, much attention is paid to the modernization of strategic missile carriers Tu-160M ​​and Tu-95MS, as well as the restoration of production of Tu-160M.

    This phrase was thought over for a long time ... Tu-160M ​​is a project of modernization of already built Tu-160. In the year 16 they began to experience the first. And in total we have 16 pieces. Those. they have yet to upgrade to the level of Tu-160M. In the second part of the phrase: it is not planned to restore the production of the Tu-160M, because it was not there. Now preparing the production of Tu-160M2.
  14. georggy
    georggy 8 November 2018 14: 43
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    Another tale from the series: "The Dream of an Old Horse".