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Short-barreled in the state-psychological section. Ending

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Below I will set out my personal feelings and impressions of the current reality, and if I’m wrong, then let the "elder comrades correct me," it will be interesting how they will succeed ...




So. In Russia, at all levels of state power, the weak psycho type, its philosophy of life, and even quite healthy impulses and initiatives, whether from society or from the authorities, passing through bureaucratic layers, are either distorted beyond recognition or completely zeroed out in full accordance with the worldview this weak psycho. Because real affairs need real strength, will, knowledge and skills, which the weaklings do not have and cannot have. Therefore, our current government does not have an intelligible and fascinating concept of the future, because the future is not interested in the weaklings, they would only get to the sweet spots in the present and keep them longer.

When weaklings fall into power, they become afraid of any changes. However, the changes must go on constantly, just to develop the economy, and the weaklings cannot control any processes, so they try to prevent them.

Therefore, I personally feel that only bans and extortions from the current legislative and executive power of the bar, and prohibitions are so ridiculous that they very often reduce fees, not allowing people and enterprises to earn money for new and new budget and extrabudgetary taxes! To all non-staff and unforeseen situations, the power of a weak psycho-type habitually responds with prohibitions and ridiculous pretending. The Kerch tragedy again highlighted it vividly ... Instead of real understanding and thoughtful measures, the authorities are fussing, justifying themselves and trying to quickly bring down the hype ... The heads of the Rosguards are pathetically concerned about the problem of storage weapons law-abiding owners, who are now anxiously awaiting new bans, new payments, new checks, and they have been pretty much convinced by them before this incident. Lawmakers require a ban on the sale of weapons up to the age of 25. Although the Internet has recently been full of reports that pensioners shot people no less than the Kerch psychopath, they, unlike him, just shot much less at a time. But in the same Israel every population is full of weapons, but every owner every three years passes a full test of sanity, crime and the ability to own their own barrels, with the slightest discrepancy the weapon is withdrawn. Teachers in schools are armed, often with automatic weapons. And the law has long been known that even terrorists, and even more so psychopaths, try not to go where they can run into return fire. And during the execution of Kerch, strong people, students and teachers, could only selflessly cover up those whom they wanted to save, killing themselves as a result. In Israel, there are no school executions, although it is full of terrorists, the late Yasser Arafat himself, the founder of Arab Palestine, advanced in 1965 by bombing an Israeli school with his militants. There was only one similar attempt, when a terrorist entered the religious school, disguised as a rabbi, for the rabbis were not inspected by the guards. But when this fighter began to shoot students in the audience, they lay on the floor between the desks, he was forced to go to the aisle between the desks, and a student who served in the army immediately shot him from his gun. I was in Israel a few years ago and one, let's say, a successful psychopathic shooting ... A retired honored officer shot down the employees of a small bank and killed himself. He was a long-term customer of this bank, but there was a conflict. Then it turned out that all bank employees did not carry weapons, and on that day the guards, who also preferred to be on duty without weapons, were on duty, and the killer knew all this well!

I am more than confident that the number of events similar and similar to the Kerch one will only increase (Lord, make me wrong), for helpless weakness always provokes psychopaths and criminals. And this weakness is visible more than convex from our government! And not only in such an important area as civil security ...

Right now the government has announced the preparation of an economic breakthrough on the basis of planned national projects ... I will say straight - I do not believe it! I explain paradoxically: it will not work, even if something happens. National projects are of an infrastructural nature, this is the old way to create an infrastructure so that free economic forces start producing and selling something on its base. And who will do this if they constantly beat their hands with prohibitions, extortions, paralyzing checks, and even corruption goes off scale? It cannot be otherwise if power is in the hands of weak people. Of course, strong people built into this power will be able to achieve something positive and successful under any conditions, but these achievements will immediately be shamefully and obscenely depreciated by the stream of stupid things, nastiness and absurdities, which continuously generate leadership from a weak psychotype or orientation to this psychotype . Therefore, I am very afraid that what Alexander Vertinsky once sang will repeat: "... even bright feats are only steps on the way to an inaccessible spring ..."

Or another example ... Now such an abomination like AUE is flourishing in schools. There is nothing new in this. Back in the 60-s of the last century, in the Soviet schools, the Spaniard Kodla began to pry, intimidating and knocking down money, which later passed on to young adult shishrikas, allegedly in a thieves obshchak. Gradually, this took on the character of an epidemic, encompassing all schools in 90. Then it was quiet, now it was revived, using for communication and coordination capabilities of the Internet and mobile gadgets, which allows you to quickly collect punks for reprisals against the recalcitrant and more accurately control the collection of tribute. But the opportunities for resistance from teachers and law enforcement agencies have fallen sharply, because they are blocked by different, not afraid to say, degenerate prohibitions and rules that they adopted from the "humane" West, where they also only stimulate youth crime. But this ayushnaya shoots matures quickly. And how to keep it? To infinity increase the number of security forces, sucking the economy for their maintenance? Impossible. This has already been proven. The more security officials, the more difficult it is to adequately maintain them, which, in turn, will provoke corruption and crime directly among them.

This is how I get a hopeless picture of the present reality, and if everything is left as it is, nothing will change, but it will sometime collapse into a catastrophe. There is only one conclusion - people of a strong psychotype should occupy decisive places in the government where it will be possible to cultivate and introduce their social and moral values ​​into the life of the country, thus creating and reproducing a strong, competitive state in our country. For this, in fact, almost nothing needs to be changed, just as I dream, really strong people who are able and willing to honestly do business are in solidarity and come to power in state structures, in leading economic structures, political parties, public movements, educational institutions, and begin to lead all the processes already on the basis of their views, principles and requirements. There are two incentives for strong people to begin this campaign in power: to legally take away the benefits that the weaklings in power now use, for them these benefits are the ultimate goal of all life, when for a strong psycho type they are only a tool and a basis for large, glorious deeds, and the next incentive is simply the instinct of self-preservation, because if you leave the power of the weak, then under some extraordinary circumstances, for the sake of saving yourself - loved ones, you will definitely spend all of them who turn out to be being under their command, nevertheless, he is ready to stand up to the end and not to go on cowardly dialogues and treacherous compromises. This is where the examples from the Chechen events suggest themselves.

Someone may ask me, how should these "strong psycho-type" people identify each other in order to unite to fight for power? Here I will not say anything new ... One of the main criteria for identifying one’s own for me is and will be related to the right to full-fledged armed self-defense of one’s own and others ’dignity from criminal encroachments. By the way, in the same Europe, the strong guys who are sick of the local degeneration, and they have already begun to act to knock it out of power, one of their main goals is to return to citizens the full right to personal armed self-defense.

In comments to my articles, often from like-minded people I see the opinion that the current authorities believe that even a short-haul in the hands of citizens can serve to overthrow it. Personally, I categorically cut off this opinion. When our branch of the Right to Arms movement conducts its street activities, before each rally or procession begins, I, without sparing my throat, announce into a megaphone that we should all be demonstratively law-abiding, not allowing the slightest violations and altercations with the police present. This follows from my deep conviction that the strong must take power through "the highest aerobatics", that is, exclusively legally, without the slightest pogrom, in a businesslike way, first of all taking possession of people's minds. Besides, I don’t have any complaints about the government at all, because it is always what the people in whose hands it is. And if it is in weak hands, then people with strong hands who are not willing to engage in it are to blame for this, and no reason can justify them. For responsibility, only smart and strong are born, and everything depends on their action or inaction.

PS Finally, I quote a commentary from one of my fierce opponents, the orthodox Bolshevik. I do not deny that this quote is taken out of the general context.

"... Let me remind you that CULTURE (in the field of possession of firearms. Weapons) in the USSR and the Russian Federation is a culture of the disarmed people with a limited and highly controlled turnover of the state. A fundamental change in the policy of the Russian Federation in this matter will entail a complete revolution in public relations!
... Arming the country with short trunks ... is a revolutionary change in the way of life of the country! "



Rifle training in the Olympic dash in Mytishchi. In my hands the Glock pistol of domestic production and the Viking pistol of Yarygin (photo from the author’s archive)
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 8 November 2018 05: 45
    +2
    The ending, but to be continued ....
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 8 November 2018 05: 51
      -7
      Damn, calm down when he does not have a short-barrel. Until he emigrates
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 8 November 2018 05: 57
        0
        Or they will not elect to deputies .....
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2018 09: 49
        +17
        Sorry, but practice shows that the short barrels are the best way to reduce the level of violent crime in society. A criminal who understands that in the event of an attack he will receive a 9 mm lead vaccination is much less likely to commit such a crime.
        1. dauria
          dauria 8 November 2018 10: 22
          -9
          Sorry, but practice shows that the short barrels are the best way to reduce the level of violent crime in society.


          Practice shows exactly the opposite. Since the 84th year, all weapons (ak and pm) in the DRA were received by the flight and engineering personnel in the arms and handed over there. And the drunken showdown has become less. You just didn’t have a chance to face a moral freak with piggy eyes, a nixren who didn’t think and was driving the AK barrel with the shutter turned upside down. Will the gun help you? Well, shoot this time if you're lucky. Then again, then again. Happy life. Will you go for bread in the bronik? Every man for himself ? Well, you run into an organized flock, they understand what organization and discipline are. Ramba, damn it. Go to the army, the police and kiss the gun until retirement.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2018 10: 29
            +18
            Quote: dauria
            Since the 84th year, all weapons (ak and pm) in the DRA were received by the flight and engineering personnel in the arms and handed over there. And the drunken showdown has become less.

            You see, one thing is the army fighting in a counter-guerrilla war, and the other is a quiet life in civilian life. In the first case, we are talking about people who daily risk their lives, are in psychological stress, and this I am not talking about hazing. In the second - about ordinary people who understand what a weapon is, what is the responsibility when using it, etc. In Estonia, Moldova, Finland, a short barrel is allowed. In Switzerland, in general, reservists keep machine guns at home with live ammunition. And you know, something drunken shootings do not happen there.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 8 November 2018 12: 27
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              In Switzerland, in general, reservists keep machine guns at home with live ammunition. And you know, something drunken shootings do not happen there.

              Happens! Not so long ago I read an article about how in the same Switzerland cases of "showdowns" with the use of "stored firearms" became more frequent: drunken, domestic ... And the argument: "In such and such countries, personal weapons are allowed, and crime is low ... "- for a long time already" set my teeth on edge "! "Pro-fire" inadequate anything "pulls the ears" to their "arguments"! They don't care "to savor champagne with roach"!
            2. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 13 November 2018 10: 07
              -3
              In Estonia, Moldova, Finland, a short barrel is allowed. In Switzerland, in general, reservists keep machine guns at home with live ammunition. And you know, something drunken shootings do not happen there.

              Come on! Statistics in the studio ...
              1. Aleks2048
                Aleks2048 13 November 2018 13: 43
                -2
                Minuses instructed and were afraid to back up statistics.
                1. exalibor
                  exalibor 17 November 2018 17: 23
                  -1
                  here are the statistics ... see for yourself
                  https://pikabu.ru/story/statistika_po_oruzhiyu__50_faktov_5206975
                  here in England and Lithuania
                  http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/5/0/8/10417805.gif
                  the inverse relationship - the more weapons on hand, the less crime using firearms .... what other statistics do you need?
                  1. Aleks2048
                    Aleks2048 18 November 2018 20: 05
                    -1
                    Not even funny ... Peak and Yaplakal. wassat
                    But looking a lot of questions arose. For some reason, in statistics, for some reason, there are no answers and I think that asking you them is also useless; you are not interested in such questions, because they will not be liked. hi
                    1. exalibor
                      exalibor 19 November 2018 16: 08
                      0
                      if you wish, you can search in other places yourself ... but you don’t even have such a goal ... just shout statistics at the studio ... find a more reliable source and prove that everything is the other way around and not as shown on these sites .. .
                      1. Aleks2048
                        Aleks2048 19 November 2018 21: 56
                        -1
                        Sorry, but I’m saying that the argument with the statistics to which advocates of the free circulation of weapons appeal on this site is suitable only for their like-minded people who do not need to prove anything, or for the weak-minded. And your lack of argument does not mean that I, in principle, should provide it to you. It seems like the defenders of the free circulation of weapons try to prove and change something. And on these sites, by the way, it only seemed to the moron that they showed something, they just reported convenient data.
                  2. Aleks2048
                    Aleks2048 18 November 2018 20: 58
                    -1
                    In general, there are really quite a bit of statistics rather like cries. To draw conclusions it would be necessary to have a little more statistics and better in the layout and dynamics, with equal periods the alignment of crimes. Population statistics are age, social and numerical. Statistics on the acquisition of weapons by the population. Statistics on the seizure of weapons from the population, both simply illegally acquired and the seizure of legally acquired, but as a result of changing the status of the owner of the seized, seized as a result of violation of the rules of possession of weapons. Statistics on the use and use by the population of weapons legally and illegally acquired, statistics on accidents on weapons, statistics on the excess of self-defense, and the limits of a person’s detention. Statistics on the provision of armed resistance to representatives of law enforcement agencies. Statistical welfare of the population. By the way, you need to look at the peculiarities of the legislation, what is self-defense in the country, what are its limits, what is a murder, what to do with the departed and not returned. By the way, the same is needed in the Russian Federation.
                    And so what you call statistics is rather some kind of circus.
                    1. exalibor
                      exalibor 19 November 2018 16: 06
                      0
                      so opponents of weapons of other statistics also don’t provide ... and for some reason nobody needs it from them ... do they need to prove anything? that without weapons let’s say less crimes ...
                      1. Aleks2048
                        Aleks2048 19 November 2018 21: 49
                        0
                        Opponents of weapons may not prove anything at all, and so everything is fine, and those who want to simplify the free circulation of weapons want changes and therefore they will have to prove the need for these changes.
                2. Irokez
                  Irokez 18 November 2018 17: 52
                  -1
                  And here is a fresh example of a weapon on hand. Rejoice over the firearms.
                  http://rusvesna.su/news/1542548424
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 9 November 2018 21: 10
            -3
            Quote: dauria
            Sorry, but practice shows that the short barrels are the best way to reduce the level of violent crime in society.

            Quote: dauria
            Practice shows exactly the opposite. Since the 84th year, all weapons (ak and pm) in the DRA were received by the flight and engineering personnel in the arms and handed over there. And the drunken showdown has become less. You just didn’t have a chance to face a moral freak with piggy eyes, a nixren who didn’t think and was driving the AK barrel with the shutter turned upside down.

            What weapon? With this power, widespread corruption, under our laws, with poverty, when AUG is growing and multiplying ..
            Any information will be sold to psychos, normal people will get tired of proving that they were defending, adolescents will regularly shoot each other .. Personally, I am the enemy. Weapons can be allowed when there will be no such prohibitive corruption, when there will be sane laws on self-defense, when there will be no total poverty .. Then it is possible to allow weapons, but will it be necessary?
            1. Warrior2015
              Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 43
              +6
              Quote: Svarog
              What weapon? With this power, widespread corruption, under our laws, with poverty, when AUG is growing and multiplying ..

              As practice shows, gangsters and those who need it, the weapon appears anyway, and simplifying its acquisition and carrying for ordinary citizens is a completely different matter and changes the situation.
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 8 November 2018 12: 52
          +6
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Sorry, but practice shows

          Sorry, but it is advisable to support such statements with a reference to scientific research. Where the dependence of the level of violent crimes on the availability of weapons in the population is clearly proven, and other social factors that can distort the picture are excluded. Without such evidence, the phrase "practice shows", or there "according to statistics" is just a subjective qualitative assessment. And a subjective assessment can be made by a person who is interested and not indifferent, who, sympathizing with certain phenomena, can simply correctly select the facts he needs.
          I am not interested in a person, I’m parallel with weapons, but when I was studying crime in English-speaking countries (USA, Australia, Canada), I didn’t have such a feeling. And vice versa. There are a lot of examples and I’m unlikely to remember everything now, but from the last thing that came to mind - 2002 year, Los Angeles. There was a wave of unmotivated killings of people in the streets with a firearm. As it turned out later, the local teenage gangs thus carried out the initiation rites of their new members. It was necessary to go out and shoot some passerby. Young boobies naturally had weapons in their possession, but for some reason, the US armed public did not show themselves. 9 people died during the year. The police could not find the criminals, then the wave of killings for some time came to naught, but later cases were again recorded. Already in 2007, one of such juvenile gangsters was caught and sentenced to 25 years. And such cases are not few.
          Based on this, I do not undertake to assert that the presence of military weapons in the population somehow worsens the criminal statistics, but I undertake to assume that these weapons do not improve these very statistics in any way, and in a significant number of criminal stories, the armed public cannot protect themselves in any way. Also, I can assume that the danger of running into a "response" from the victim does not slow down the criminal in any way, because in order to abandon a crime on pain of rebuff, one must at least think about it, i.e. have brains. And if most criminals do not have them, one cannot count on their prudence.
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 45
            +2
            Quote: Alex_59
            9 people died during the year. The police could not find the criminals, then the wave of murders disappeared for a while, but later the cases were again recorded.
            Ridiculous. 9 killings for the year in a huge metropolis - is it yours a lot? Oh well...
            And why do not you write about the fact that after the failures with the capture of the police went to the leadership of criminal struktkur and gently promised to arrange a fun life for all of them, if not calm down the thugs? - and the problem was solved.
          2. Etienne
            Etienne 12 November 2018 05: 27
            +3
            "... you cannot count on their discretion." This is far from the case. It is necessary, and selfish interests fade into the background, when you are not the first and not the last among those who forgot to turn on their brains. In 1950, the entire militia in the Soviet Union was 250 thousand personnel, but the state was different and the people were different. 1954 - it was in Kryvyi Rih, my uncle was stopped by two lads with knives. I had to give both my salary and documents. The house was a stone's throw away and my uncle, without hesitation, as soon as he entered, took off his gun from the wall and ran after the boys. I caught up and brought him to the police. They thanked my uncle, an honored front-line soldier. And the lads put all the spoils on the table to the duty officer, who, in the presence of attesting witnesses, returned everything to his uncle. The current documents and money would be kept pending trial as evidence. And for the threat of using weapons against the Gopniks, they would still shake their nerves.
          3. exalibor
            exalibor 17 November 2018 17: 34
            +1
            read - it turns out that if other people have weapons, this is what you have to count on
            https://lastday.club/13-sluchaev-kogda-vooruzhennyj-grazhdanin-ostanovil-massovyj-rasstrel/
            Quote: Alex_59
            Also, I can assume that the danger of running into a "response" from the victim does not slow down the criminal in any way, because in order to abandon a crime on pain of rebuff, one must at least think about it, i.e. have brains. And if most criminals do not have them, one cannot count on their prudence.
        3. aws4
          aws4 8 November 2018 18: 19
          -11
          and you do not understand that we have most of the citizens criminals ??? I’m quite seriously speaking now without jokes .. I can say for myself, yes, I’m not convicted, but I am an attacker and have committed violent acts against others .. now imagine that the fighting short-barrels will not be able to pour into the society .. the experiment with the Trovats did not pass the test ..
          1. Sergey W
            Sergey W 25 September 2019 08: 47
            -1
            Yeah, our people are "not the same", the phrase of real liberals. Maybe you are also equating the USSR with Nazi Germany ?! The cowardly and vile government is simply afraid of the poor population. A brother and a colleague live in Estonia, there is nothing to compare the criminal situation with Russia.
      3. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 21: 40
        -1
        So what? I’m an immigrant. For more than 30 years now I’ve been wearing either a revolver or a gun. I am russian. I drink, in the sense, by the standards of Argentina, I drink. By Russian standards, they drink. I chew, quite constantly, the leaves of Coca. What else would scare you? ..... sometimes sniffing cocaine ......
        Quote: Evil543
        Damn, calm down when he does not have a short-barrel. Until he emigrates


        So what? Well, and he, the author, will leave, well, why will the problem be solved?
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 12 November 2018 21: 56
          -3
          Quote: stroybat ZABVO
          Well, and he, the author, will leave, well, why will the problem be solved?

          Yes, there is no problem. The author sucks it out of the finger. Well, or takes ... from the ceiling, for example.
      4. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 22: 01
        -1
        Quote: Evil543
        Damn, calm down when he does not have a short-barrel. Until he emigrates

        If you want someone to emigrate to solve the problem, then remember that someone may also want you to be "emigrated". And a separate "hello" to the admin, goat, right?
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 12 November 2018 22: 30
          -1
          And translate into Russian? Where am I "goat" and what is it?
    2. Finches
      Finches 8 November 2018 06: 03
      +1
      I thought Michael already on the promised land was contented and hung with short-trunks, but no, he is still in Russia, his mother, dreams of the wild West! laughing
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 8 November 2018 06: 06
        -6
        He hasn’t earned money yet, in America they give money for lobbying, and here we see Tula and Izhevsk people don’t give him money recourse
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 November 2018 12: 33
          0
          Misha is losing money by losing weight.
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2018 09: 50
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        still in Russia mother dreams of the wild West!

        Come on, what a wild West? Korotkostvol allowed in Finland, Estonia, Moldova, but there is no wild West. Although the same Moldovans, for example, consume more alcohol per capita than we do.
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2018 09: 52
          +5
          I will not discuss this topic - she personally missed my mouth, and wrote Misha's articles about it! I am against it! hi
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2018 09: 54
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            I am against it!

            I understand your opinion and acknowledge your right to it. hi
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 8 November 2018 12: 35
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            Misha's articles about it filled his teeth!

            Uh-huh.
            Quote: Finches
            I am against it!

            And for me on the drum.
          3. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 November 2018 12: 52
            -4
            Quote: Finches
            I am against and that's it

            I understand you! How many times have I opposed both on VO and on other sites ... I tried to argue .... but everything is useless! These inadequacies, whom the "roasted rooster" has not yet pecked ... can not be brought to reason! They have a "block"! You can, of course, imagine the situation that the "short-barreled" was allowed ... the "pistol" and therefore happy The author walks along the boulevard (or choose the "necessary": a square, a forest, a dark courtyard, to his wife, from his mistress ...), and they hit him from behind from behind a tree with reinforcement on the head ... then they calmly removed the pistol and inserted it ... that is, put it to one place ... You know, even after such a "assumption", the question will probably remain unanswered : Will the Author even "afterwards" advocate "short-barreled madness"?
            1. Curious
              Curious 8 November 2018 15: 52
              +3
              The funny thing is that all these goldreaters are sure that, together with a permit for a pistol, they will be given both the ability to use it in a certain situation, and an indulgence in case, "putting things in order" and "punishing the villain" who encroached on Goldreier's wallet, the "truth-bearer" will fill up a grandmother who accidentally turned up inopportunely, and a personal proctologist, in case treacherous hooligans insert their favorite short-barreled not into a holster, but into another place of its owner.
              If in the 21st century the state, apart from distributing weapons to the population, already has no way to restore order, then this is no longer the state.
              1. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 8 November 2018 20: 46
                +3
                [/ quote] The funniest thing is that all of these gold traders are sure .. [quote]


                He firmly believes that only he goes to the shooting range))
                In general, it seemed that the author of the opus was not even 30 years old. And here: "there it is, Mikhalych" (c)
                ... and for the wife and children is not afraid, if any. Well, if not, a lot is explained ..
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 9 November 2018 03: 02
                +2
                Quote: Curious
                If in the 21st century the state, apart from distributing weapons to the population, already has no way to restore order, then this is no longer the state.

                Exactly ! You can't say more precisely! Alas, a significant number of participants in the "dispute" show themselves to be teenage punks with their statements ...
              3. Sirocco
                Sirocco 11 November 2018 18: 12
                +3
                Quote: Curious

                The funniest thing

                A funny thing is different (I personally am for a short-barrel, and this is my opinion and it is unchanged.) So about the other, there is a lot of noise, about what everyone will buy everywhere, gentlemen, go down from heaven to earth, what will the price of a short-barrel be? AND? I think that no less than 30 thousand and above, well, since many who wish will buy with an average real salary of 15000 rubles? Plus training, medical records, safes and other nyashki headaches?
                We go further, How many hunters with weapons in the Russian Federation? Well, and how often do skirmishes occur in cities and villages? How many hunters were injured while trying to take away their weapons? For a long time I read statistics about edged weapons, and the fact that most deaths in everyday life, etc., occur with the application of a kitchen knife, an ax. Will we ban these types of household appliances? Well, about Moldova, I’ll add five kopecks, despite the fact that Moldova was considered not trustworthy for the short-barrel, everything turned out exactly the opposite.
                We’ll take another ride, about the Russian Guard and other law enforcement agencies, which, like the whole country, are optimized now, they’re not able to protect ourselves, we’ll have to stay alive, there’s still some HOPE in the afternoon, you won’t find them in the evening with fire, Or they act on the principle of a lamppost where it is light there and sit on patrol. So, as it happened in our country, the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. And who is against the weapon, gentlemen, no one forces you to buy it. Yes, and according to the constitution, it is necessary to go here so that it could be applied legally and without consequences. Here we have everything through this))))
                1. Warrior2015
                  Warrior2015 12 November 2018 00: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Sirocco
                  We go further, How many hunters with guns in Russia? Well, how often do shootings happen in cities and villages? How many hunters suffered while trying to take away their weapons?

                  Because many people understand that just professional and not very hunters are just the most disciplined people in terms of weapons. And many of them would certainly not have given up on a short-haired short sleeve for constant wear or at a certain time.
                  1. stroybat ZABVO
                    stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 22: 16
                    +4
                    A couple of times, on vacation, in the mountains near Cordillera, together with my little daughter, I came across or, more precisely, invaded Puma’s possessions, as you know, well, whoever has this body working, that it’s pointless to run, fight, hide. And here, obana! Piano in the bushes! Taurus PT92, such an army of himself and not heavy when he bakes, shot up, but what a joy to the child! I say salute! Because she did not see and was not afraid of Big Cat. By the way, to convince Puma by talking, and giving her a logical explanation of why we are, here, everyone like that, opponents of arms, walk unarmed ...... But, even dumber, there will be comments that you need, such as boxing, karate, horizontal bar ... Now, there will be joy in the house of Puma, a good trained meat for her whole family .....
          4. Witness 45
            Witness 45 9 November 2018 19: 30
            +5
            And I'm for everything! You don’t want, don’t have it, nobody forces you, it’s your right, but I want it, it’s my right, I do not forbid you not to have it, and you do not bother me.
      3. AUL
        AUL 8 November 2018 11: 24
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        I thought Michael already on the promised land was contented and hung with short-trunks, but no, he is still in Russia, his mother, dreams of the wild West! laughing

        No need to move from discussing the issue raised to the identity of the author. This is ugly and dishonorable!
    3. Machito
      Machito 8 November 2018 11: 55
      -3
      Strong people came to power in Ukraine. Which is better? In power, smart people are needed.
      Medvedev amused the statement that he had decided to consult with the RAS. At Stalin, the academics were in the reception room, and therefore they won and flew into space.
  2. Vard
    Vard 8 November 2018 05: 55
    +6
    The shortbag itself is not a panacea .. having bought a gun, you will need to submit it to the shooting gallery ... Learn to shoot ... that’s what we’re doing with us ... And if you are able to train with a weapon .. who forbids you to work with a bunch of keys on chain .. I assure you it is a very effective means of protection .. and sit in the case of which is much less ...
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 8 November 2018 06: 01
      -4
      Right now, all your arguments will be overturned by cons. Holy short barrel steers hi
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 November 2018 06: 16
        -9
        Quote: Evil543
        Right now, all your arguments will be overturned by cons. Holy short barrel steers hi

        that's for sure ... like me yesterday .. hi empty article with sequels. naive admirers of "guns" do not understand that in a country where the people "dislike" the government (contrary to the polls of the "Levada"), and the government, in turn, responds with complete reciprocity, no weapons of a "politically reliable" society are possible. IMHO.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 8 November 2018 06: 19
          -6
          Yurich yesterday they kicked me off, well, everyone has their own truth, God bless them hi
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 8 November 2018 06: 20
            -4
            Quote: Evil543
            Yurich yesterday they kicked me off, well, everyone has their own truth, God bless them hi

            and to hell with them ... hi
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 8 November 2018 12: 57
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              god be with them

              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              and to hell with them ...

              Mdaaa ... plus or minus ... god and hell ... Is it a draw? By zeros? wink
            2. ver_
              ver_ 17 November 2018 07: 20
              0
              ... God is a two-faced Janus ...
        2. Jerk
          Jerk 8 November 2018 06: 50
          +13
          The people do not like the authorities anywhere, you are talking nonsense .. "There are no absolutely satisfied people. It is only those who are absolutely dissatisfied." ABS, doomed city
        3. Blue fox
          Blue fox 8 November 2018 08: 34
          +15
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          and the government, in turn, responds with complete reciprocity; no armament of a "politically reliable" society is possible. IMHO.

          Now in the elevator said a man - Last night he passed in St. Petersburg by "Aurora". For 20 grandmothers with posters and flags, there are three Urals of OMON, 2 auto police and four traffic police crews, this is not counting civilian cars with license plates parked nearby. And this despite the fact that everyone in the city knows that the "Aurora" is not on the move and the guns are inoperative. hi
      2. dauria
        dauria 8 November 2018 12: 25
        -3

        Right now, all your arguments will be overturned by cons. Holy short barrel steers


        The article is necessary. An excellent "litmus test" of the contingent on the site. There are no friends of mine who want to go to a bakery or pick mushrooms with a trunk. Judging by the pluses and minuses on the site, either snotty youngsters, or "offended" overgrown. It's a pity. It's time to look for another "shop in the army smoking room". The pioneers settled on this one with the Klinskoye-advanced beer and the army experience of the game "Warface".
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 8 November 2018 13: 22
          0
          I don’t drink Klinsky, I don’t play the computer, well, I like to hand out minus people, and out of arguments I’m blaming and nodding authority how cool it is in the West. What to do?
          1. Sergey W
            Sergey W 25 September 2019 09: 19
            0
            Do you not like the western standard of living ?! Live in Africa. For example, in Estonia, the minimum salary is 540 euros, the prices are almost the same as in Russia (when we had electricity 5 r, they have 6 rubles for our rubles)
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 25 September 2019 16: 16
              0
              So go to Estonia, but do not meddle with us with your tales.
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 9 November 2018 23: 06
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          The article is necessary. An excellent "litmus test" of the contingent on the site. There are no friends of mine who want to go to a bakery or pick mushrooms with a trunk.

          agree with you.
          we (in Israel) have recently facilitated the process of obtaining a weapons permit. my friend asks me - well? you take?
          and I'm honestly not sure if I need to. At home, two boys are curious, they will get interested in climbing.
          and indeed, it is not uncommon for people to carry weapons to situations. virtual sense of power
          if the hectic time comes I will get the weapon and so, do I need it?
          1. exalibor
            exalibor 17 November 2018 17: 45
            +1
            here !!! but you have a choice - you consider it necessary to buy and wear ... consider yourself safe in safety do not buy ...
        3. Oleko
          Oleko 11 November 2018 00: 57
          +1
          I put downsides, although at 66 years old I consider myself offended overgrown, and from beer "hunting" and other alcoholic products, complete refusal, armed with only one technique, which I have been practicing for 30 years, once I saw its effectiveness fighting off gopota. One of them broke his arm, he fell from a painful shock, I had a hematoma on my wrist, I just cut my fingers. Until now, the boy's face, frightened to death, stands in his eyes. I still practice the exercise, it is associated with a deadly risk. soldier And minus the endless babble of bad laws, no one even studied the materials of the Plenum of the Armed Forces on self-defense, They are clearly spelled out for which the 105th can be obtained. And what is self-defense
    2. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 08: 38
      +13
      Quote: Vard
      The shortbag itself is not a panacea .. having bought a gun, you will need to submit it to the shooting gallery ... Learn to shoot ... that’s what we’re doing with us ... And if you are able to train with a weapon .. who forbids you to work with a bunch of keys on chain .. I assure you it is a very effective means of protection .. and sit in the case of which is much less ...


      Yeah, you can still carry a bag of tobacco ... Just in the attacker and run.
      Why these poor methods? And I will see how you, with your keys from two or three aggressively disposed to attack, will be repulsed.
      And yes. Knock the keys to someone's eye - you will sit down.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 8 November 2018 08: 51
        -8
        Quote: AVM
        Quote: Vard
        The shortbag itself is not a panacea .. having bought a gun, you will need to submit it to the shooting gallery ... Learn to shoot ... that’s what we’re doing with us ... And if you are able to train with a weapon .. who forbids you to work with a bunch of keys on chain .. I assure you it is a very effective means of protection .. and sit in the case of which is much less ...


        Yeah, you can still carry a bag of tobacco ... Just in the attacker and run.
        Why these poor methods? And I will see how you, with your keys from two or three aggressively disposed to attack, will be repulsed.
        And yes. Knock the keys to someone's eye - you will sit down.

        Buy a tank or a combat plane, why don’t you need it, a short barrel compared, so fart? As in the article - cardinally, not for wimps! And riot police can be dealt with, and if there will be several of you like the author, then with an army, for example, the Baltic! wassat tongue
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 November 2018 13: 00
        0
        Quote: AVM
        Knock the keys to someone's eye - you will sit down.

        And will you "knock out" the pistol - is it quite another matter?
        1. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: AVM
          Knock the keys to someone's eye - you will sit down.

          And will you "knock out" the pistol - is it quite another matter?


          Threaded COP gives a more predictable result. After the shot in the ankle, the opponent is more likely to be unable to walk, and they are unlikely to be imprisoned for this (if we are talking about self-defense). And the eye is definitely a serious body. Trauma can both give an effect on the leg, and not give any at all.
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 49
            -1
            Quote: AVM
            Threaded COP gives a more predictable result. After the shot in the ankle, the opponent is more likely to be unable to walk, and they are unlikely to be imprisoned for this (if we are talking about self-defense). And the eye is definitely a serious body. Trauma can both give an effect on the leg, and not give any at all.

            Very true remark! Heavy bodily - from a bunch of keys completely, but the bullet in the poles for the attacker - approx. The truth here is a different matter - you can hook the artery and bye bye ...
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 8 November 2018 09: 51
      +7
      Against a knife or the same bit, a keychain will not particularly help. Not to mention the gunshot of the criminal.
      1. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 22: 33
        +2
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        Against a knife or the same bit, a keychain will not particularly help. Not to mention the gunshot of the criminal.

        From my little "experience", a bandit, a robber, that's certainly a "die hard" character, or Vandamka, some kind of, he needs your wallet, not your life, so the robber is not a hero, he is very much afraid of the weapon pointed at him , and often, after such a meeting, he thinks about "but I need this", can I look for another job ?. Well, not all, of course, but I have a couple of those saved.
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 November 2018 19: 44
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      then who forbids you to work out blows with a bunch of keys on a chain .. I assure you this is a very effective means of protection .. and sit in which case much less

      Sitting if something is really less, but how self-defense is already not very. The amount of time needed to acquire and maintain hand-to-hand fighting skills and shooting skills is an order of magnitude difference.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 14 November 2018 08: 18
        +1
        ... what the hell do you need skill in shooting from a distance of 2 meters? ..
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 November 2018 19: 21
          +1
          Quote: ver_
          need skill in shooting from a distance of 2 meters

          This is what we are talking about. Minimum..
    5. Witness 45
      Witness 45 9 November 2018 20: 04
      +4
      Well, yes, this is horror as an "effective" tool, a bunch of keys, especially against a thug with a shotgun, who firing left and right indiscriminately.
      In general, this is not about weapons, but about the state of the spiritual and moral society, and its state, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired, and this is not accidental. After all, when, on the one hand, on all TV channels and other media from morning to evening, there is an endless stream of violence propaganda and blood flows like a river, and on the other hand, they call for unlimited consumption of material goods, to which only a select few have access, by and large, all "grain places "have long been seized and divided, when elementary norms of justice are violated, then this situation does not work for people with an unbalanced psyche, the emergence of embittered psychopaths is inevitable, who consider themselves unfairly deprived and for whom everyone and everything is enemies. I don't understand where the President is looking, because he swore to protect the people, and you need to protect not only from an armed attack from outside, but also from ideological aggression, or for the sake of the notorious freedom of speech in our media is everything allowed, except, it is true, drug propaganda?
      You can prohibit firearms without exception, but if there are enough angry people in a society, then there will always be means to give an outlet for aggression - axes, knives, a can of gasoline or acid, homemade bombs, and so on. However. we are dealing with Russian officials, and they have only one stable model of responding to extreme situations in their heads - "keep out and keep"
      1. Sergey W
        Sergey W 25 September 2019 09: 40
        0
        the emergence of embittered psychopaths ... they hate the people of Russia have long been in the economic bloc of the Russian government
  3. X Y Z
    X Y Z 8 November 2018 06: 13
    +29
    You do not start from that. Under the current law on self-defense, no short-barrel will help you. First, sane legislation, and then everything else.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 November 2018 06: 21
      +16
      Quote: XYZ
      First, sane legislation, and then everything else.

      sane authority first ...
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 8 November 2018 06: 56
        +14
        Only when the government begins to fear the citizen, it will become sane. Otherwise, like in Yu. Butovo, a bureaucrat, on camera, simply robs people, squeezing the force of their house, and throws a handout for which, instead of a house taken away with a plot, you can’t buy a dog house and feel impunity still yelling them in their face that they are goons. You can't beat an armed man like that, you kill yourself, even if he is potentially armed - what have he to lose, since they write to the homeless?
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 8 November 2018 07: 47
          +1
          So why do you need a short barrel to protect life or scare power? Armed resistance to the authorities is against the law, and buckshot is more reliable than that. You would decide.
          1. grau
            grau 8 November 2018 08: 56
            +1
            Power is the people
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 8 November 2018 09: 00
              +2
              belay does the people know that? recourse
              1. grau
                grau 8 November 2018 09: 01
                -1
                Yes, not so easy to live
            2. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 9 November 2018 23: 09
              +2
              Quote: grau
              Power is the people


              - How? Wait a minute! We are your state, do you know that?

              “I know.”

              - And the fact that you are the people, did you hear that?

              - I heard.

              “And act like a people should.”

              - How?

              “You must fight for your own power.”

              - With whom?

              Zhvanetsky.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 15 November 2018 14: 17
            0
            ..and you will throw a buckshot ..?
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 15 November 2018 14: 24
              -1
              You banned smoothbore? Or do you shoot pistols with buckshot?
              1. ver_
                ver_ 15 November 2018 14: 31
                0
                ... you gathered with a loaded gun to walk around the city ..?
                1. Evil543
                  Evil543 15 November 2018 14: 54
                  -1
                  I am opposed to walking around the city with weapons in general, there are enough people who walk with injuries
        2. Shopping Mall
          Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 08: 39
          +2
          Quote: Jerk
          Only when the government begins to fear the citizen, it will become sane. Otherwise, like in Yu. Butovo, a bureaucrat, on camera, simply robs people, squeezing the force of their house, and throws a handout for which, instead of a house taken away with a plot, you can’t buy a dog house and feel impunity still yelling them in their face that they are goons. You can't beat an armed man like that, you kill yourself, even if he is potentially armed - what have he to lose, since they write to the homeless?


          In this case, the legitimate CA will definitely not help.
          1. Jerk
            Jerk 8 November 2018 09: 11
            +3
            In the first article, the author spoke about the need to change the legislation on self-defense. wink Then it will help, and shooting to kill is not necessary at all.
            But in general, the article that the COP really affects psychology, precisely because the danger of the COP is represented by both the owner and the attacker. But the injury - no, even though the wasp breaks through the garage door, everyone still treats them like a scarecrow.
        3. neri73-r
          neri73-r 8 November 2018 08: 54
          -3
          Quote: Jerk
          Only when the government begins to fear the citizen, it will become sane. Otherwise, like in Yu. Butovo, a bureaucrat, on camera, simply robs people, squeezing the force of their house, and throws a handout for which, instead of a house taken away with a plot, you can’t buy a dog house and feel impunity still yelling them in their face that they are goons. You can't beat an armed man like that, you kill yourself, even if he is potentially armed - what have he to lose, since they write to the homeless?

          So it was discovered why a short-barrel is needed - a revolution, the power to drive, to impose justice with lynching, and not to protect life and health in the event of a criminal assault! hi
    2. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 8 November 2018 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: XYZ
      Under the current law on self-defense

      What is wrong with him? Did you read it? Everything is just fine there, in case of a threat to life or health or during an attack by a group, a citizen has the right to do any harm to the attackers up to causing death and use any means of protection. Problems begin at the stage of enforcement when the investigation makes statistics for itself at the expense of the defender, and the court accepts this because the judges are mostly former law enforcement officers with appropriate professional deformation.
    3. Witness 45
      Witness 45 9 November 2018 20: 06
      +5
      Will help. Better let me be judged by 12 than by six.
    4. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 50
      +3
      Quote: XYZ
      Under the current law on self-defense, no shortbore will help you. First, the imputed legislation, and then everything else.

      Without a doubt ! But it is better to sit alive than the dead lie quietly, is not it?
  4. Ber
    Ber 8 November 2018 06: 17
    -3
    Home
    So. In Russia, at all levels of state power weak psychotype


    go belay belay
    the real force .... for the future wimps ......When wimps


    This is generally a masterpiece (Freud is happy confirmation of his theory) laughing
    and wimps cannot control any processes


    We go further ..)))))
    power weak psychotype ........ And during the Kerch execution strong people


    Mlyn more and more I can not)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ) laughing laughing laughing

    It is necessary in the Duma introduce a law that forbids ... women to write about the short barrel, we are not such a life. laughing

    Russia is not America, there is no freedom, society is completely taboo through all sorts of prohibitions.
    What is good for a Russian for a mattress death laughing

    Mind Russia does not understand ........ and do not measure ..... it becomes. (did not come up with such dimensional roulettes)
    In Russia (in Greek), and according to (old Slavic) Russia, according to (English) Rush, one must believe in exemplary and revealing ways.
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 8 November 2018 07: 44
      +10
      And for you personally, a primordial Soviet proverb, which fully reflects the opinion of the population about such prohibitions: "Better to be judged by three than by four"
      That's it.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 8 November 2018 08: 56
        -2
        Quote: Jerk
        And for you personally, a primordial Soviet proverb, which fully reflects the opinion of the population about such prohibitions: "Better to be judged by three than by four"
        That's it.

        If I’m not mistaken, the original Soviet proverb from the movie about the Italian mafia of the esteemed Hollywood!
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 8 November 2018 09: 05
          0
          Not sure there are three judges in Italy ... Oh, very not sure
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 8 November 2018 09: 09
            +3

            Not sure there are three judges in Italy ... Oh, very not sure


            The Tribunals (there are 160 of them) consider criminal and civil cases exceeding the competence of the pretory as a court of first instance, and appeals against judgments and decisions handed down by the praetorians are considered as the second instance. All cases in the tribunals are considered by the boards. composed of three professional judges.

            Blessed is he who believes (c)
      2. Ber
        Ber 8 November 2018 12: 13
        -2
        And no one argues with a saying.
    2. Revival
      Revival 8 November 2018 12: 28
      0
      You are so cleverly disguised the semantic load of your comment that it is really absolutely imperceptible
  5. akudr48
    akudr48 8 November 2018 06: 24
    +2
    Arguments The weak seized power and lowered the strong below the plinth. But the strong must aerobatics in order to master the minds and take power. And then with the help of the short-barreled everything will work out as it should. Nevertheless, the situation will be more complicated ... But for the rest I agree
  6. From Germany
    From Germany 8 November 2018 06: 46
    +1
    My opinion: An adult, self-confident person in civilian life does not need a short barrel. Even a psychologically balanced person can go crazy for a number of reasons. So it’s better to have a knife or an ax at hand at this moment than a pistol. As an example, the USA, there is just complete chaos, the cops are on edge and are afraid, because of what so often innocent people die - do you want people to be killed in Russia as well?

    A note from life: when we meet with friends at the dacha, they constantly bring with them either gas or air pistols that look like real ones and shoot, shoot. Interestingly, EVERYONE who suffers from such garbage either did not serve at all or served in the "auto-bike-photo-cinema-radio" troops. Grown children, damn it, haven’t played enough war.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 8 November 2018 07: 25
      +8
      Well, do not buy a gun. And others will buy.
    2. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 08: 42
      +7
      Quote: From Germany
      My opinion: An adult, self-confident person in civilian life does not need a short barrel. Even a psychologically balanced person can go crazy for a number of reasons. So it’s better to have a knife or an ax at hand at this moment than a pistol. As an example, the USA, there is just complete chaos, the cops are on edge and are afraid, because of what so often innocent people die - do you want people to be killed in Russia as well?


      Flies - others will shoot him, who did not fly. This is if many people have a weapon, and not just one, like Evsyukov’s.

      Quote: From Germany
      A note from life: when we meet with friends at the dacha, they constantly bring with them either gas or air pistols that look like real ones and shoot, shoot. Interestingly, EVERYONE who suffers from such garbage either did not serve at all or served in the "auto-bike-photo-cinema-radio" troops. Grown children, damn it, haven’t played enough war.


      How scary to live. From pneumatics in the country they shot.
    3. polar fox
      polar fox 8 November 2018 12: 56
      0
      Quote: From Germany
      donkey children, damn it, did not play enough in war games.

      og ... didn’t play enough ... my friends, as from a business trip from the south, come to the shooting range, or to the training ground, and even play airsoft.
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    5. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 22: 44
      +2
      From Germany
      Offline
      From Germany
      8 November 2018 00: 46
      +3
      My opinion: An adult, self-confident person in a civilian does not need a short barrel.
      Dachshund, then, logically, for your old, uncertain walking with a cane, the trunk is required? Thank you! In Argentina, there are no durkuks who come to visit .... "A note from life: when we meet with friends at the dacha, they constantly bring with them either gas or air pistols that look like real ones and shoot, shoot"
      Here all the weapons are real., Which shoots and looks like the present. Are you in Germany going to a summer house with inflatable women? Well, too, look like real ....
    6. Jerk
      Jerk 6 November 2019 07: 04
      -1
      I do not agree with you - very much. To begin with, I’m okay .... Do you realize that, for example, a fighter from military unit 22220 - even without a weapon - is a weapon in itself?
  7. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 8 November 2018 07: 06
    +12
    The state needs a herd of sheep for wool and meat, not a flock of toothed wolves. Do not delude yourself, the protection of statehood is needed by the state to protect ITSELF, and the population, from its point of view, needs only patriotic noodles for the "correct" ideological processing. In order not to run away, therefore, the population is being educated as best they can. Someone creates a fairy tale about "shining hailstones on a hill", someone keeps it pseudo-socialist equality, and someone stupidly grows amorphous biomass of consumers and hammers into the head that it is dumber than it really is. The methods may differ, but everywhere we are crammed with one directive: you are not a state-forming force, you are its servants. And, accordingly, why should servants need rights and even more weapons? The owner will protect you, but you will be well arbaiten, you will not sleep in a barn and a pig and eat a lot of karasho.
    1. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: g1washntwn
      The state needs a herd of sheep for wool and meat, not a flock of toothed wolves. Do not delude yourself, the protection of statehood is needed by the state to protect ITSELF, and the population, from its point of view, needs only patriotic noodles for the "correct" ideological processing.

      Flocks of toothed wolves are available in abundance - look at the North Caucasian republics. And there the amount of military weapons in their hands is simply unmeasured!
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2018 08: 03
    +2
    ... well, how can I not say sacramental - Shaw, again !!!
  9. Hypatius
    Hypatius 8 November 2018 09: 47
    +2
    Just as "gods" in gangs will surround themselves with "sixes" (weak), which are forced to obey the subdominants, so all tyrants prefer a weak environment. IMHO, the problem is in the hierarchy of "guerrillas", which by prohibitions and upbringing forms slave behavior, and reprisals spread rot, those who were able to raise the rank (strong). High-ranking people need participation in power, such as democracy (or influence on it, through the OOS). And the bastards love-hate the dictatorship. Egg and chicken, classic.
  10. Hypatius
    Hypatius 8 November 2018 09: 49
    0
    From the life of baboons:
    The ethnologists call the group dominance of the oldest in age gerontocracy - the power of the elderly. Gerontocracy is often formed in people. It can form in a small group, or maybe on top of the state. Gerontocracy usually occurs when an official leader is unsure of himself and fears the younger ones. Pulling to himself the same old and unsure of himself as he is, and sharing power with them, he forms the senile elite, for whom the fear of losing power outweighs the desire to rule alone. In ordinary life, the behavior of geronts may seem very thoughtful and cunning to us. In reality, this is a trick of instinct. Trusting her, some managed to maintain power even in a state of senility.
  11. shura7782
    shura7782 8 November 2018 09: 56
    +4
    A bit of sarcasm. wink
    Only a confident man can afford a small dog.
  12. Revival
    Revival 8 November 2018 12: 12
    +3
    They amaze people who, as an argument, cite the fact that people will then take power against arbitrariness, and this is not good, so they endure quietly without arms from everyone and have a quiet life, and that's how it should be ...
    Let them say they have the best they want, but calmly ...
    "all the same, it’s badly poor, but it feeds, and you have dignity with fat, it’s not necessary at all"
  13. Revival
    Revival 8 November 2018 12: 15
    +5
    It is glorious that silence on the argument about Moldova, Estonia ...
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 8 November 2018 13: 27
      -2
      Judging by your aplomb, you are aware of the historical wave and how it was done. ? But wasn’t that just one good movement of the masses? Share it. smile
    2. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 22: 53
      0
      Quote: Revival
      It is glorious that silence on the argument about Moldova, Estonia ...

      You're right! And also the silence and suppression of the opinions of those who live outside of Russia and "freely" own weapons. Because, so far, glory to Him, the opponents of weapons do not have a single case where compatriots, even former ones like me, massively shot a pregnant neighbor for drunkenness in a showdown on the road in the gateway.
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 November 2018 13: 49
    +3
    Oh, I didn't want to interfere in this showdown! Tired of "appealing to reason" of those who do not have it! But I had to ... did not want to leave this "" alone without a thrown pebble ...
    The author emphasizes that the "Kerch event" might not have happened if the college was filled with thoroughly armed students and teachers! What nonsense! How does the Author imagine such a situation? Do you need to install a metal detector at the entrance or "well, nafig it"? Would you like to bring pistols and kulemets with you every morning or arrange a wardrobe? Close the wardrobe with a key or plant the old wardrobe attendant? And the teacher will look cool, entering the audience with an "ultrasound" over his shoulder! And the next scumbag does not need to bring cartridges and a gun with you ... in the "wardrobe" he will borrow! And then the door will "nab" and go to "have fun"! Or does it seem to the Author that the students will be with pistols during breaks and in classes? Or maybe the Author will recall videos on the Internet how pupils (students) mock the weak, outcasts ... how they mock teachers, even beat them? And what kind of "otvetki" are expected from both some and others? And it is foolish to expect that the "outlaws" will be afraid of the reciprocal pistol! It is not easy to give up bad habits, but the "response pistol" can be taken away! In general, the opinion of the Author is deeply disgusting to me!
    1. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 16: 52
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Oh, I didn't want to interfere in this showdown! Tired of "appealing to reason" of those who do not have it! But I had to ... did not want to leave this "" alone without a thrown pebble ...
      The author emphasizes that the "Kerch event" might not have happened if the college was filled with thoroughly armed students and teachers! What nonsense! How does the Author imagine such a situation? Do you need to install a metal detector at the entrance or "well, nafig it"? Would you like to bring pistols and kulemets with you every morning or arrange a wardrobe? Close the wardrobe with a key or plant the old wardrobe attendant? And the teacher will look cool, entering the audience with an "ultrasound" over his shoulder! And the next scumbag does not need to bring cartridges and a gun with you ... in the "wardrobe" he will borrow! And then the door will "nab" and go to "have fun"! Or does it seem to the Author that the students will be with pistols during breaks and in classes? Or maybe the Author will recall videos on the Internet how pupils (students) mock the weak, outcasts ... how they mock teachers, even beat them? And what kind of "otvetki" are expected from both some and others? And it is foolish to expect that the "outlaws" will be afraid of the reciprocal pistol! It is not easy to give up bad habits, but the "response pistol" can be taken away! In general, the opinion of the Author is deeply disgusting to me!


      Like me yours.

      No need to take weapons into the wardrobe. If at least one of the 10 teachers has a weapon, then those who want to shoot with impunity will decrease. And the conversation is not about ultrasound, but about a compact weapon of concealed carrying, it is not necessary hyperbole.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 November 2018 02: 25
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        Quote: AVM
        Like me yours.

        1.So, appeal to reason is disgusting to you? Mdaaaa! You, as a "non-commissioned officer's widow"! Themselves "whipped"! laughing
        2.
        Quote: AVM
        If at least one of the 10 teachers has a weapon,

        And how will this teacher be chosen? Matches must be broken, or what other lot will you have to invent? Or not by lot, but by party affiliation? Or do you have a specific method, guaranteeing at 100% that the pistol will not go to the secretive inadequate or just a coward, in danger of falling into a stupor? 3.
        Quote: AVM
        those wishing to shoot with impunity will decrease.

        Maybe it will decrease ... by one or two. And the rest of the "willing" will figure out how to successfully "neutralize" the "foreman" teacher in the first place!
        Quote: AVM
        the conversation is not about ultrasound

        Means, you find fault with "bukavki", and to understand the meaning is weak?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 November 2018 03: 51
          +3
          PS Do you dream of such a "picture"?
        2. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And how will this teacher be chosen?

          Personally, he wants to have a COP and be able to protect himself and his students, he will choose himself.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          And the rest of the "willing" will figure out how to successfully "neutralize" the "foreman" teacher in the first place!

          Do you understand the term "concealed carrying of weapons" or do you need additional explanation?
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Means, you find fault with "bukavki", and to understand the meaning is weak?

          Opponents of the short-barrel also like to find fault with the "bukavki".
  15. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 8 November 2018 14: 04
    +1
    The author needs to carefully look around and count how much he will see terrorists or psychopaths with weapons and how many aggressive degenerates without weapons. And then think what picture he likes more - the one that he saw now or the one that will emerge when, apart from terrorists and psychopaths, aggressive degenerates will walk in the streets with weapons in their hands.
    I would also remind the author that a weapon is created in order to shoot from it. And when, to the great joy of the author and others like him, dozens or even hundreds of thousands of combat guns are scattered across the country, which can be hidden under clothes, when these guns in different parts of the country "speak" and they speak, there is no doubt about it, they will speak in the hands of gopniks, psychopaths, teenage romantics, disgruntled car enthusiasts, police officers who, fearing for their lives, will first shoot, then think ... When all this happens, will the author want to ask forgiveness from the wives, children, parents of those who die from bad bullet? Apologize to those whom some "well-aimed shooter" of these "strong personalities" will accidentally or by mistake make disabled?
    I would like to see the satisfied smiles of the author of the article and his supporters when, walking through the evening city, they hear the sounds of a firefight, and when they come out from around the corner, they see a corpse riddled with bullets. And, of course, I am already ready to imagine the feeling of deep satisfaction with which the author and others like him will hear in the news about the prevention of another terrorist attack, when an armed juvenile criminal broke into a school, but was killed by concentrated fire of teachers and some classmates, if, of course, from more people will not suffer from this fire than this villain could have killed, and the police who arrived on call will quickly figure out which of the armed people is the villain, and who is the "strong personality" protecting public order with a pistol in hand.
    1. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall 8 November 2018 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      The author needs to carefully look around and count how much he will see terrorists or psychopaths with weapons and how many aggressive degenerates without weapons. And then think what picture he likes more - the one that he saw now or the one that will emerge when, apart from terrorists and psychopaths, aggressive degenerates will walk in the streets with weapons in their hands.
      I would also remind the author that a weapon is created in order to shoot from it. And when, to the great joy of the author and others like him, dozens or even hundreds of thousands of combat guns are scattered across the country, which can be hidden under clothes, when these guns in different parts of the country "speak" and they speak, there is no doubt about it, they will speak in the hands of gopniks, psychopaths, teenage romantics, disgruntled car enthusiasts, police officers who, fearing for their lives, will first shoot, then think ... When all this happens, will the author want to ask forgiveness from the wives, children, parents of those who die from bad bullet? Apologize to those whom some "well-aimed shooter" of these "strong personalities" will accidentally or by mistake make disabled?
      I would like to see the satisfied smiles of the author of the article and his supporters when, walking through the evening city, they hear the sounds of a firefight, and when they come out from around the corner, they see a corpse riddled with bullets. And, of course, I am already ready to imagine the feeling of deep satisfaction with which the author and others like him will hear in the news about the prevention of another terrorist attack, when an armed juvenile criminal broke into a school, but was killed by concentrated fire of teachers and some classmates, if, of course, from more people will not suffer from this fire than this villain could have killed, and the police who arrived on call will quickly figure out which of the armed people is the villain, and who is the "strong personality" protecting public order with a pistol in hand.


      Not for long, and only for the first time, until they realize that, unlike travmatiki or unregistered trunk, a legal KS is very easy to detect by the pool, i.e. all the arrows will quickly sit down. Before selling a rifled make a test shooting, and in Russia such a notion as a special tap in the barrel is still common. Do not confuse with the United States, there weapons are almost like tomatoes are sold.
      1. Consultant
        Consultant 8 November 2018 17: 05
        +4
        Quote: AVM
        unlike traumas or an unregistered trunk, legal CS is very easy to detect by the pool, i.e. all arrows will quickly land

        Before the "shooter sits down", at least two events must happen:

        1. The shooter shot someone (or shot).
        2. The bullet fired by the shooter was picked out from the carcass and sent for identification.

        In this regard, the question: Are you personally prepared to serve as a carcass? For some reason, few who talk about

        Quote: AVM
        Not for long and only the first time

        think about this scenario.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 00: 21
          +2
          Quote: Consultant
          In this regard, the question is: are you personally ready to serve as a carcass?

          And now we are all acting as a carcass, and absolutely defenseless, and by the way, you too.
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 9 November 2018 06: 24
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            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            we now all act as a carcass, and absolutely defenseless

            I repeat the question: are you ready you personally get a bullet (in the carcass) only in order to take one separately inadequate, perhapsplanted? For example, I do not.

            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            we are all now

            Who are you all? How many are you? wink

            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            and you, by the way too

            No need to speak for me, I myself am quite good at doing this.
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 9 November 2018 06: 34
              0
              Eeeeeem, now you can get a bullet from an inadequate gun. Ban guns?
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                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 9 November 2018 06: 39
                  +3
                  Dear, now hunting smooth-bore and rifled weapons are sold by hand. What is the fundamental difference between "getting a bullet in the carcass" of a gun from a pistol?
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                    1. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 9 November 2018 06: 52
                      +2
                      Yeah, sucking up like your question. They will ask, and then they cannot answer the elementary refinement.
                      I understand correctly, essentially you can’t answer?
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                      2. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 9 November 2018 07: 29
                        +3
                        Great. In polemical enthusiasm, you do not mind getting a bullet from a gun into a carcass (smooth barrel), but you absolutely do not accept a bullet from a pistol (rifled barrel). Thank. For myself, I found out.
                      3. Consultant
                        Consultant 9 November 2018 07: 34
                        0
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        For myself, I found out.

                        Well, nice laughing
                    2. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 11: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Consultant
                      These differences are already sucked many times.

                      Then it will not be difficult for you to answer a specific question, there is an answer - come on, no - go by.
                      Quote: Consultant
                      if there’s nothing to say on the matter, go ahead. You were not standing here

                      Do not tell people not subordinate to you what to do and people will not tell you where to go. Something like this.
                      1. Consultant
                        Consultant 9 November 2018 12: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Then it’s easy for you to answer a specific question

                        Easy. But - only after you, you are the first in this line wink

                        One more time:

                        Quote: Consultant
                        Are you personally ready to receive a bullet (in a carcass) only so that one separately taken inadequate may be planted?

                        The question was asked of you, I have not yet seen the answer.

                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        people will not tell you where to go

                        Yes, at least negotiate, I am violet.
                      2. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 14: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Easy. But - only after you, you are the first in this line

                        That is, you do not want to answer the question ... Sorry. Dad, an hour, not a lawyer?
                        Quote: Consultant
                        The question was asked of you, I have not yet seen the answer.

                        I answered this question, the fact that you chose not to see the answer characterizes you not from the best side.
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Yes, at least negotiate, I am violet.

                        This is not interesting to me.
              2. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 10: 41
                +1
                Quote: strannik1985
                Now you can get a bullet from inadequate with a gun

                Inadequate with a gun visible from a distance. Do you feel the difference?
                1. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 9 November 2018 11: 01
                  +3
                  Yes, yes, in Kerch or in Moscow, visibility greatly helped.
                  The weapon is more powerful, the bullet is more deadly, the aiming range is greater. However, no one has spoken out for the removal of 7 million hunting trunks, yet?
                2. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 11: 43
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                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  Inadequate with a gun visible from a distance. Do you feel the difference?

                  In Kerch inadequate why you did not notice from afar?
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 11: 57
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                    Quote: strannik1985

                    Yes, yes, in Kerch or in Moscow, visibility greatly helped.

                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    In Kerch inadequate why you did not notice from afar?

                    Maybe because from Petersburg Kerch and Moscow are hardly visible?
                    For example, I know of cases when inadequate with a gun was neutralized earlier than I managed to make at least one shot, because you cannot hide a gun. And there are many such cases. There are also cases when inadequate injuries unexpectedly exposed the trunk and injured people. If they had warheads, they would not have done without several corpses in each case.
                    But if in Kerch, during the general panic and running around, there were a "hero" with a short-barreled weapon who would also have the wit to open fire, I think there could be much more victims. And if there were several of them, it's generally scary to imagine who would shoot at whom and how many extra victims there would still be.
                    1. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 12: 10
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                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      For example, I know of cases where inadequate with a gun was neutralized before he managed to fire at least one shot, because the gun can not be hidden.

                      Share these examples.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      inadequate with a gun was neutralized before he managed to fire at least one shot

                      It’s just interesting who and how neutralized and on what basis.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      Maybe because from Petersburg Kerch and Moscow are hardly visible?

                      From St. Petersburg and Moscow, it is equally not visible that an attacker in Kerch has a gun, a gun or a makeshift bomb there.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      And also there are cases when inadequate trauma unexpectedly bared the trunk and injured people.

                      True, it would be good to be inadequate to be afraid that when he unreasonably "bare the barrel", he will have a high chance of getting a bullet from a law-abiding citizen before he has time to injure people.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      If they had battle trunks, it would not have been possible without several corpses in each case.

                      If the law-abiding citizens had a COP, then the corpse would be one - the corpse of the criminal.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      But if in Kerch, during the general panic and running around, there were a "hero" with a short-barreled gun, who would also be smart enough to open fire, I think there could be much more victims.

                      But I’m sure that if in Kerch, during a general panic and running around, there would be a hero with a short barrel, who would also be smart enough to open fire, much less innocent people would die.
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      And if there were several, it’s generally scary to imagine

                      Well, yes, yes ... how terrible to LIVE ... do not consider all other people as mentally retarded.
                      1. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 12: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Share these examples.

                        Their mass. Take an interest in the criminal chronicle of your city or district. In the media, they do not get due to the fact that it is banal and uninteresting. About two years ago, in a neighboring village of mine, a man with drunken eyes decided to shoot his wife's lover. Went out with a gun on the street, but did not reach the goal, because he caught the district officer's eyes. Such an example will come down?
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        True it would be good that inadequate feared

                        Are you normal? No, of course it would be good, but he is inadequate, unfortunately, that he is not afraid of anything. And the presence of weapons of adequacy does not add to it.
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        If the law-abiding citizens had a COP, then the corpse would be one - the corpse of the criminal.

                        Corpses would be much larger in principle. From random shots, from mistakes in assessing the situation, from blunders and ricochets, from drunk squabbles and road conflicts. And the criminals among them would be regrettably few, since they are just people cunning and cunning.
                        Imagine: you, of course, are "adequate", with a combat barrel heard a shot twenty meters away from you, ran up and see a body pierced by a bullet and a man with a smoking pistol. And he sees you, too, with a pistol in his hands, running up with a resolute look. You don't know each other and the murdered one. Attention, the question is: what happens in a second?
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        don't consider all other people mentally retarded

                        All and do not think. Only some.
                      2. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 14: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Their mass. Take an interest in the criminal chronicle of your city or district.

                        Wait! You wrote the same: "For example, I know of cases when an inadequate with a gun was neutralized before he managed to make at least one shot, because the gun cannot be hidden.", Which means that you are responsible for your words - give examples!
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        He went out into the street with a gun, but didn’t reach the goal, as he caught the precinct’s eyes. Will such an example work?

                        No, because going out into the street with a gun without a case is in itself a reason "I didn't get it, because I caught the policeman's eye." And even here there are questions - what if there was no district policeman nearby?
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Are you normal

                        The psychiatrist believes that is normal.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        No, of course it would be good, but he is inadequate for that, unfortunately, that he is not afraid of anything.

                        It's a delusion. For example, inadequacy in the form of increased aggression is usually very afraid of resistance, injury and death, therefore the so-called "aggressors" in the overwhelming majority of cases choose themselves as victims of knowingly defenseless people - women, old people, disabled people.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        And the presence of weapons does not add to his adequacy.

                        By the way, I already posted on this site in the comments the data of the weapons association of one of the states of the USA, excuse me, now I don’t remember which one in which the hidden carrying of weapons was allowed somewhere in the mid-80s of the 20th century. So, statistics showed that among the owners of weapons in this state there was a steady tendency to reduce the level of offenses, by 2010-2015, the level of offenses per capita among owners of weapons was 5-6 times lower than the state average. And the general level of violent crimes has more than halved. You see, gun owners not only created the conditions for reducing street crime, but they themselves became much more responsible.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        There would be significantly more corpses in principle.

                        I do not discuss issues of faith.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        From random shots, from mistakes in assessing the situation, from misses and ricochets

                        In Kerch, 23 people died. Now imagine that one of the teachers had a gun and shot the bastard when he managed to kill, say, eight, while, by tragic accident, two more students died from the ricochets of the bullets fired from the gun, you have a question - which of the two situations would you rather find yourself in Teachers - let the crook kill 23 people in front of your eyes or take a chance, even after that and go to jail, but stop the killing of defenseless children?
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Imagine: you, of course, are "adequate", with a combat barrel heard a shot twenty meters away from you, ran up and see a body pierced by a bullet and a man with a smoking pistol. And he sees you, too, with a pistol in his hands, running up with a resolute look. You don't know each other and the murdered one. Attention, the question is: what happens in a second?

                        You came up with a ridiculous situation, because an adequate person who is not an active law enforcement officer on duty simply will not run to the sounds of gunfire by uncovering the trunk, but will take out the phone and inform the police about the fact of the shooting.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        All and do not think. Only some.

                        But without having reliable information about a person’s mental / mental illness, even some cannot be considered as such. But your position is such that quite adequate people you put in the position of convicted criminals or incapable.
                      3. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 15: 32
                        +3
                        Bored with you. Hero want to be cool Walker. Judge and punish with weapons in their hands. Actually, the overwhelming majority of you, supporters of the legalization of the short-barrels, are romantics, idealists with porridge from their own complexes and heroic fantasies in their brains, which completely obscure your common sense.
                        I, frankly, it's hard to imagine how you can not understand that a weapon released to the masses will definitely start shooting, shots will become habitual, the use of weapons as a way to solve your own problems, mainly related to self-affirmation, is common, and the number of deaths and injuries from gunshot wounds will grow at times.
                        You don't care about those who died in Kerch, you see yourself there as a savior hero shooting an enraged maniac (sick unfortunate boy), admiring yourself and at the same time admit the death of two children from your hands. The arithmetic is in your favor. Consider only in this arithmetic that every day dozens if not hundreds of shots and a certain percentage of bullets coming out will surely fall into something alive throughout the country from this weapon that you want to allow. A seven-year-old child who accidentally chooses to play with a pistol while daddy sleeps or at work, accidentally shoots a fifteen-year-old girl in the heart of unhappy love will die from an accidental bullet fired by a drunken scumbag in a nightclub, a good guy will become orphans road disassembly ... A couple of dozens of corpses and wounded every day - just to give you a ghostly chance to kill some hypothetical villain and become famous, flashed on TV in the regional news ...
                        Maybe it's time to grow up?
                      4. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 16: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Bored with you.

                        Well, I'm not a clown to amuse you.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        You want to be a hero, a cool Walker.

                        It was already, and more than once and successfully, it was even alone opposed to four attackers and even took a prisoner with trophies. Now, health does not allow you to defend only due to physical abilities, I'm getting old, plus this ridiculous injury.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Honestly speaking, it’s hard for me to imagine how you can’t understand that a weapon launched into the masses will certainly start shooting

                        Strange, now there are more than 7 million legal rifles in the "masses", but shooting has not become commonplace on the streets of Russian cities. In the US, there are more than 350 million legal barrels on hand, but there is no "war" on the streets there, especially in states where gun ownership is fully permitted and two principles apply: 1) "My home is my fortress"; 2) "I must not tolerate violence or run away from it."
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        the use of weapons as a way to solve their own problems, mainly related to self-affirmation - routine, and the number of deaths and injuries from gunshot wounds will increase significantly.

                        By the way, I already posted on this site in the comments the data of the weapons association of one of the states of the USA, excuse me, now I don’t remember which one in which the hidden carrying of weapons was allowed somewhere in the mid-80s of the 20th century. So, statistics showed that among the owners of weapons in this state there was a steady tendency to reduce the level of offenses, by 2010-2015, the level of offenses per capita among owners of weapons was 5-6 times lower than the state average. And the general level of violent crimes has more than halved. You see, gun owners not only created the conditions for reducing street crime, but they themselves became much more responsible.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Spit on the dead in Kerch

                        Immediately apologize to me, because your statement is extremely insulting and provocative! The only life that I did not feel sorry for in that tragedy was the life of a murderer, and I would like to save him, if I could be with him before he made this terrible decision - to go to kill defenseless people, maybe I could understand his misfortune and how then try to help him solve it so as not to bring to such a tragedy.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        admire yourself and at the same time allow the death of two children at your hands.

                        Well, solve this moral problem, choose one of the -1 options. allow the cold-blooded murder of 23 people; 2. At the cost of your freedom and the death of 1-2 people at your fingertips, halve the number of victims. Choose, don't be infantile.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        a seven-year-old child who decides to play with a gun while dad sleeps or at work, shoots a bullet in his heart from unhappy love a fifteen-year-old girl

                        And what, someone has already canceled the rules for storing weapons? I grew up near weapons, I live next to weapons, and you know, I don’t, like you, have an existential fear of weapons, because there are rules by observing which you can achieve almost complete safety when storing and operating weapons.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        dies from a random bullet fired by a drunken scumbag in a nightclub, good guy

                        See the example of Moldova - it is better not to go into places where you can drink alcohol with weapons, you will lose your license. Well and still, scumbags in order to get a weapon permission to it is not necessary.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        children of a man shot during a road showdown will remain orphans ...

                        That is, if this man is beaten to death with a baseball bat, will his orphans feel better?
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        A pair of dozens of corpses and wounded daily

                        Oh, let's forbid private motor vehicles, because under a hundred only those killed per day, and kitchen knives are urgently prohibited, more than half of all victims of murders in Russia die from them.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        to give you a ghostly chance to kill a hypothetical villain and become famous by glimpsing on TV in regional news ...
                        Maybe it's time to grow up?

                        Do not distort my words, I do not want to kill anyone and did not want to. I want people to have the opportunity to oppose an armed criminal with something more than their own sacrifice in protecting their lives and even more so the lives of their relatives.
                        And I am ready to take responsibility for the use of weapons against an attacker and for injuries inflicted by the villain, and have already taken, and my use of violence against attackers has always been recognized as justified and legal. So maybe this is not for me, but you should grow up from an infantile creature into an adult responsible man?
                      5. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 17: 27
                        0
                        If you really dealt with weapons, it is all the more surprising to hear from you such theses.
                        I also dealt with weapons, including those with constant wear, which is why I am a supporter of the full concealed weapon of concealment. By the nature of my service, I often had to deal with the consequences of the use of weapons and I know very well how, when and under what circumstances it acts (shoots). Despite the fact that I love weapons, I know and can handle them quite well, and, more likely, even precisely because of this, I consider it legal to be completely unacceptable.
                        A person with a weapon has no right to get angry, scared, to panic in a stressful situation. Do you know many such people? I'm a little. But those to whom I personally could entrust military weapons, knowing that this would not bring an unnecessary tragedy, would never agree to accept it, to assume such responsibility. And those who lined up to get it, in the case of legalization, I would not let him (weapons) even a kilometer away. So it is better that it was not at all.
                        I began my service in 90-x, when the weapon was full, shot frequently and in large quantities, there was not a week to avoid having to go on a firearm, and it was only in my area. The trunks, both new and dug (from the war), and imported were sold in any market and regularly worked on the streets. I remember that. And I know for sure that most often the decisive impetus to the use of weapons, primarily for the commission of a crime, is the fact of its existence at the moment. In the overwhelming majority of cases (I do not take into account contract killings) the weapon was used because of an impulsive, emotional decision, in a stressful situation. It would not be at hand - there would be no death or injury.
                        A few words about criminals. None of them will refuse to commit the intended crime because of possible repulse. Choose another victim - maybe. But it is more likely that the attack will be planned more unexpectedly, aggressively and violently. Roughly speaking, a robber who came to rob a store with a pistol from fear of being repulsed with weapons is simply shooting at anyone who can, including random visitors. Just in case. But the robbery will not give up.
                        Regarding the apology - I have significant doubts about the sincerity and truthfulness of what you write, so for now I will refrain from apology.
                    2. Warrior2015
                      Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: Trilobite Master
                      But if in Kerch, during the general panic and running around, there were a "hero" with a short-barreled gun, who would also be smart enough to open fire, I think there could be much more victims.

                      Why should I? The practice of a number of countries shows that exactly the opposite - the defaulting shooter is quickly neutralized by the nearby armed citizens.
                  2. stroybat ZABVO
                    stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 23: 08
                    +2
                    [/ Quote]
                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    [quote = Trilobite Master] Inadequate with a gun visible from afar. Do you feel the difference?

                    In Kerch inadequate why you did not notice from afar?

                    The video that is on the network, to me, with Argentinean experience, immediately suggested that the guy is not adequate, and, with a big chance, armed. Gait, glance ... Such people on Buenos Aires street may very interest the police. And get ready to shoot me.
            2. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 11: 40
              0
              Quote: Consultant
              I repeat the question: are you personally ready to receive a bullet (in a carcass) only so that one separately taken inadequate may be planted?

              You are raising the question incorrectly. I'm ready use weapons against the inadequacy of those who decided to attack me, my relatives or other persons incapable of independently protecting their life, health or sexual integrity. And you, as I understand it, will endure and persuade your wife when they will force her, tolerate her, well, that would not be worse.
              Quote: Consultant
              Who are you all? How many are you?

              Are we we, or do you not relate yourself to Russian society? Or do you not live in Russia?
              Quote: Consultant
              No need to speak for me, I myself am quite good at doing this.

              I noticed that you know how to work with language.
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 9 November 2018 13: 41
                -2
                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                You are raising the question incorrectly

                It seems so to you. Initially, the question was not asked to you, in response to this:

                Quote: AVM
                legal cop is very easy detect by pool, i.e. all arrows will quickly land

                To "detect by a bullet" - you must have a reason to detect, as well as the bullet itself. Hence, in fact, the question I asked arose.

                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                I am ready to use weapons against ...

                You do not consider the option that you yourself seemed to someone inadequate, and use weapons against you, beloved? wink

                My question is about that too.

                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                know how to work with language

                Rude is harmful, Rikki-tikki. Spoils karma.
                1. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 14: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Consultant
                  It seems so to you. Initially, the question was not asked to you, in response to this:

                  Quote: Consultant

                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  we now all act as a carcass, and absolutely defenseless

                  I repeat the question: are you personally ready to receive a bullet (in a carcass) only so that one separately taken inadequate may be planted? For example, I do not.

                  Probably not?

                  Quote: Consultant
                  To "detect by a bullet" - you must have a reason to detect, as well as the bullet itself. Hence, in fact, the question I asked arose.

                  The bullet can remain not only in a dead body, but can also be removed from the wounded and surrounding objects - walls, trees, furniture and other things.
                  And yes, for a legally acquired weapon, the identification of a bullet is almost equal to finding the owner of the barrel from which this bullet is fired.
                  Quote: Consultant
                  You do not consider the option that you yourself seemed to someone inadequate, and use weapons against you, beloved?

                  I do not consider it too unlikely. (as a joke, in which there is some joke) I now look too peaceful and defenseless. laughing
                  Quote: Consultant
                  Rude is harmful

                  Do not forget to say this every morning in the mirror, and yes, health to you, stay there.
                  Quote: Consultant
                  Ricky Tikki

                  Oh, who are you talking to dear Ko (n) strat?
              2. ver_
                ver_ 16 November 2018 18: 11
                +2
                ... such Trilobites should be killed in a slingshot as a child ..., whose Schaubs could not bear the brain with their inadequacy ...
        2. Witness 45
          Witness 45 9 November 2018 20: 14
          0
          I am not ready, and therefore I would like to have the opportunity or, more precisely, the chance to avoid becoming a "carcass", for which I would not refuse to have a COP in some situations, but judging by your comment, you are ready.
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 9 November 2018 20: 46
            -1
            Quote: Svidetel 45
            I am not ready, and therefore I would like to have the opportunity or, more precisely, the chance to avoid becoming a "carcass", for which I would not refuse to have a COP in some situations

            What kind of "some situations", please specify, plz. By the way, something tells me that with the legalization of the Constitutional Court, you will have more such "some" situations. Challenge.

            You are making a typical mistake typical of the supporters of "legalize": you calculate the situation only from your side, considering others to be extras. This is a notoriously losing approach. Your opponents will also have a COP in "situations", and the outcome for you, on average, will be much more sad than now.

            Quote: Svidetel 45
            but you, judging by your koment, are ready

            The transition to personality is a sign of a lack of intelligible argumentation, no? wink
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 8 November 2018 20: 04
        +6
        Quote: AVM
        legal cop is very easy to spot by bullet

        You are naive and do not seem to understand at all what you are writing about. To begin with, not "discover", but "identify". It is impossible to locate weapons by bullet. It is also difficult to "tie" the barrel to the shooter. Lost. Stole. This is if the official owner is alive and not hiding. In addition, after shooting it, you can make simple manipulations with the weapon, after which the bullets fired from it will not pass through the machine gun, identification will be possible only with careful examination by a qualified expert - the computer will consider that the bullets were fired from different weapons. You can just replace the barrel itself (in the sense, the part), after all. So not everyone will sit down, but only those who committed a crime in the face of evidence. The real villains will remain free.
        And then what does "sit down" mean? How many people are you willing to send to the next world or to a wheelchair on the one hand and to places of deprivation of liberty on the other for the pleasure of showing off in front of girls with a legal pistol in a beautiful cabourg?
        And why for self-defense you want to have a gun, that is, a weapon of hidden carrying? Why do you and others like you advocate for such a decision and do not at all consider self-defense as a weapon, for example, a gun? I would have nothing against the release of such a weapon of self-defense, which you cannot hide under your clothes. There is a man - it is clear that he is armed, therefore, dangerous, who will want to attack someone in his presence? The main task - to protect oneself and loved ones - has been accomplished, and note, without the use of violence. No-n, give you a shortbread. I want to adrenalinchik, I want to shoot at the living little man, I want to become a hero, save the girl from the horde of rapists, having filled them up at the crime scene (the girl will then certainly give, which is also essential), but I don’t want to go everywhere with a gun. So what is more important for you - security or how you look in the eyes of normal people around you?
        Going to the gym, exercising, with the same purpose - to be able to defend and protect, is also, apparently, not for you. When I write "you" in this case, I mean not you specifically, but in general all the supporters of the legalization of short-handedness.
        Previously, nobles wore swords to protect their honor. Everyone had their own concept of honor, many were hypertrophied and perverted, but due to the size of their weapons, they could be seen from afar and smart people avoided them - were there few scumbags among them? If you care so much about your safety (or is it just fear, that is, are you just ordinary panties?) Or about your honor and dignity (I notice that I don’t doubt the very existence of any of you and advantages, although this issue can be discussed), which need to be protected exclusively by weapons, then initiate the legalization of not short barrels, but, for example, cold weapons such as swords or swords, or firearms, such as carbines, learn to own them, wear them with pride and openly protect the weak, stand up for bijennyh ...
        A weapon of concealed carrying is a weapon of the special services and (or) criminals. It has nothing to do with self-defense.
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 9 November 2018 07: 05
          +1
          Well, yes, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania-has, in the Russian Federation does not. It's funny
        2. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 9 November 2018 12: 17
          0
          Instead of thinking how to build a good road (civilized society) - we bet on which SUV it is better to drive)))) A compact crossover (physical training, etc.), a UAZ patriot (traumatic weapon) or the Urals (a short-range firearm) .. And maybe immediately a caterpillar conveyor (army automatic) ...))))
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 9 November 2018 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Nekarmadlen
            Instead of thinking how to build a good road (civilized society) - we bet on which SUV it is better to drive)))) A compact crossover (physical training, etc.), a UAZ patriot (traumatic weapon) or the Urals (a short-range firearm) .. And maybe immediately a caterpillar conveyor (army automatic) ...))))

            The trouble is that when you say that it is now possible to drive on the road only in the "Ural", and it is impossible to buy it for a private person, there are a lot of people who want to advise "walking" (endure any violence) in a situation when "backward - five hundred - five hundred ".
        3. Oleko
          Oleko 12 November 2018 02: 03
          +1
          your Position is clearly reasoned, Weapons of hidden wearing are weapons of special services. But the idea with a carabiner is very attractive fellow Wish you all the best. hi His father, a war veteran (he is not), said that his friend Alexei Timoshenko disarmed a maddened sentry with a rifle. Without any "short-barreled". Personal courage. Good luck to you. Thanks for the comments.
        4. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO 12 November 2018 23: 14
          +1
          Trilobite Master
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          Trilobite Master
          "I would have nothing against the release of such a weapon of self-defense, which cannot be hidden under clothes. A man is walking - it is clear that he is armed, therefore, dangerous, who on him or in his presence would want to attack someone?"

          Right! And all rapists and pedophiles should go without pants and panties, so that "I would have nothing against the release of such a weapon of self-defense, which cannot be hidden under clothes. A man is walking - it is clear that he is armed, therefore, dangerous, who is on him or in his presence wants to attack someone? "
          After all, it is immediately clear that he is "armed" and can rape. Bravo!!!! Bravo!!! author -> author -> author, pyshy yyscho!
        5. ver_
          ver_ 17 November 2018 08: 14
          +1
          ... how persistent are you, is there a spouse? ..
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 November 2018 14: 17
      +1
      already allowed weapons in Russia

      “In total, from 1901 to 1911 in the course of revolutionary terrorism, about 17 thousand people were killed and wounded (of which 9 thousand fell directly on the period of the revolution of 1905-1907). In 1907 year, up to 18 people died on average every day. According to the police, only from February 1905 to May 1906 were killed: governors-general, governors and mayors - 8, vice-governors and councilors of provincial administrations - 5, police masters, district chiefs and police officers - 21, gendarme officers - 8 , generals (combatants) - 4, officers (combatants) - 7, bailiffs and their assistants - 79, police officers - 125, police officers - 346, non-commissioned officers - 57, guards - 257, gendarmerie lower ranks - 55, security agents - 18, civil officials - 85, clergy - 12, rural authorities - 52, landowners - 51, manufacturers and senior employees in factories - 54, bankers and large traders - 29 "

      and here it is more interesting
      "According to official statistics, from January 1908 to mid-May 1910 there was 19957 terrorist acts and expropriations, as a result of which 732 government official was killed and 3051 private person, while 1022 government official and 2829 private individuals were injured "

      God be with them - with officials, they are not humans / venal skins / and so on .... according to the logic of revolutionaries - they had to be killed ....
      I'm more interested in what 6000 was guilty of Private persons? what were they to blame for-getting the bullet? Someone was interested in this?
      And are the current legalization advocates ready to turn out to be an accidental passer-by in ALIEN disassembly using KSa?
  16. then
    then 8 November 2018 15: 49
    +1
    Discarding emotions and sensations, reasoning from particular to general does not prove anything until all possible options for using the short-barreled have been considered. Which is practically impossible. Therefore, the proof must be built on the basis of deduction (from the general to the particular). For this, a general consistent statement is formulated, for example: "Only one subject, the state, should have the right to use force." From which, by logical reasoning, follows the prohibition of weapons to the civilian population. Or: "The state has no right to kill." What justifies the prohibition of the death penalty.
    If the original premise is controversial:
    In Russia, at all levels of state power, a weak psychotype rules ...
    then the conclusions will be controversial. An unequivocal decision cannot be obtained.
  17. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 8 November 2018 17: 39
    +2
    Well, of course, sane people cannot think that it is necessary with pistols to pose a danger to the authorities with tanks, "sunshines", etc. The point, I think, is that by disarming its subjects, the state, as it were, gains authority by taking care of lives subjects. (Actually exaggerated, since it is fundamentally unable to fulfill this obligation.)
  18. Loki_2
    Loki_2 8 November 2018 19: 55
    -1
    Mikhail, after the execution in Kerch, I thought your conscience wouldn’t be enough to promote the weapons theme. Money, money, but human life is sacred. How I underestimated you: the arms lobby is everything for you, and people are just rubbish standing in the way of the superprofits of the weapon barons. Be ashamed!
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 9 November 2018 07: 46
      +1
      Certainly, about 7 million units of hunting weapons after the shooting in Kerch, and before that, in the dacha village of the Tver region, in Kratovo near Moscow and in Moscow, it is necessary to hand over to the police. 4 and a half million potential maniacs are no jokes.
  19. bobba94
    bobba94 8 November 2018 21: 39
    +6
    I read the comments. Very convincing arguments and those who are against the short-barrel and those who are for the short-barrel. I decided to look on the Internet on this topic. The number of firearms in the population in the States is greater than the number of the population itself. The number of murders per 100 thousand people in the United States is 2 times lower than in Russia. Numbers are a stubborn thing.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 9 November 2018 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: bobba94
      Numbers are a stubborn thing.

      Just look at them need more thoughtful. I do not know where you got the statistical information and whether you can trust it, but even if it is reliable, in order to draw conclusions about the usefulness or ineffectiveness of the weapon, you still need to know a lot, in particular:
      1. The number of murders and serious injuries caused by firearms is there and there, as a percentage of the total number of murders and injuries.
      2. The number of murders and serious injuries caused by firearms in the protection against attack and in the implementation of the attack and there and there, and also in the percentage.
      3. The number of persons who used weapons to attack and to protect there and there as a percentage of the total number of persons possessing weapons.
      4. The total number of reported crimes on 100 thousand people in the United States and the Russian Federation.
      Just the total number taken out of context, the picture does not. If you are able to provide the data I requested, it will be very interesting to discuss with you the results of their analysis.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 16 November 2018 18: 16
        +2
        .... the bullet stops the current ...
    2. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 10 November 2018 17: 58
      +2
      Quote: bobba94
      I decided to look in the internet info on this topic. The number of firearms among the population in the States is greater than the number of the population itself. The number of murders per 100 thousand people in the States in 2 times lower than in Russia. Numbers are a stubborn thing.

      That's it ! across Europe this data is even more eloquent!
      1. tracer
        tracer 11 November 2018 05: 27
        -1
        I have already written many times that pistols are the most widespread tool of the excuse society from the accumulated villains. In America, this is how it works. They are especially zealous in their youth. And all ... there is no bunt. The recent student shot the former Marine in the bar talking about what ..? After all, he went to a bar where only full of unarmed people would go into any house would catch a bullet. By the way, in California, the most dragon laws in the United States in arms.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 13 November 2018 01: 50
          0
          Quote: tracer
          By the way, in California, the most dragon laws in the United States in arms.

          Copies of invoices for 3 months, ID, green card, safety test (usually done right in the store, this is only for the gun), 10 days of waiting, and that's it. "Canadian", at least inquired about the essence of the issue! Easier to get than Canada.
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 November 2018 14: 26
          0
          Quote: tracer
          They are especially zealous in their youth.
          especially NOT zealous for the comb directed at them, the cops will kill ... the town here flashed-Ferguson ...
          Are you ready for the fact that under legalization - our native police will shoot at anyone - whom they suspect of the slightest (like the police shoot in the USA)? There "Stop! Stop shooting!" don't scream ...
  20. Steel falcon
    Steel falcon 8 November 2018 21: 42
    0
    A nation should arm only the "strong, intelligent and faithful", that is, those who truly constitute it, those who are fully interested in its freedom, security and prosperity, those who serve as its support and protection.
    The possession of weapons should be reasonably controlled and regulated.
    1. Usher
      Usher 10 November 2018 12: 04
      0
      How do you define them? It looks like a normal man, but in fact a complete nerd.
      1. tracer
        tracer 11 November 2018 05: 30
        +1
        Nerd even the most presentable should know that when buying a gun he assumes tremendous responsibility. And if he cretin does something, he will give way to another under the sun. Everything is fair.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 14 November 2018 08: 39
        +1
        ... are everything normal in our Duma sovereign? .. run like monkeys - buttons click ..
    2. ver_
      ver_ 16 November 2018 18: 17
      +1
      ... yes - faithful Leninists ..
  21. Dooplet11
    Dooplet11 9 November 2018 11: 27
    +1
    https://topwar.ru/149527-rossijskaja-sistema-otvetnogo-jadernogo-udara-mozhet-okazatsja-bespoleznoj.html

    But the main thing, according to the general, is to increase hypersonic means - “the more formidable the weapon you have, the less likely it is to conflict».


    If we remove "hypersonic means" or replace these words with "personal protective equipment", then it is difficult to argue with such a thought. Moreover, the former chief of the General Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces (1994-1996), Colonel-General Viktor Yesin, has a certain amount of experience in containing conflicts.
  22. cayman gene
    cayman gene 9 November 2018 20: 38
    -1
    No no and one more time no! Someone is not enough Kerch freak ?! Hand out more pistols so the kids frolic? !! Legal firearms, no! Sound in Yeshe, comrade shooters, and leave Russia alone.
  23. Usher
    Usher 10 November 2018 12: 03
    -2
    Article is complete nonsense. I am categorically against the weapons of the population. We have 80% of people who drink and use drugs. Even seemingly normal and successful (I know personally). And a lot of inappropriate freaks.
  24. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 10 November 2018 18: 06
    +2
    Quote: Michael Goldreer
    When weaklings fall into power, they become afraid of any changes. However, the changes must go on constantly, just to develop the economy, and the weaklings cannot control any processes, so they try to prevent them.
    They simply do not need changes, it is important for them to preserve that amorphous state in which they penetrated into power and stuck to the trough, that's all. Development of the country? yes, I beg you ...

    Quote: Michael Goldreer
    Right now the government has announced the preparation of an economic breakthrough on the basis of planned national projects ... I will say straight - I do not believe it! I explain paradoxically: it will not work, even if something happens. National projects are of an infrastructural nature, this is the old way to create an infrastructure so that free economic forces start producing and selling something on its base. And who will do this if they constantly beat their hands with prohibitions, extortions, paralyzing checks, and even corruption goes off scale?
    Nobody will do it if national projects turn out to be corruption projects, and production workers and more broadly - businessmen in general - are simply "bending over". Whatever one may say, but professional "siloviki" - cannot run a business (budget cutting is not a business), they initially have a different psychotype.
  25. tracer
    tracer 11 November 2018 05: 02
    -1
    And I like to have pistols. And I have enough of them. Shooting sports, hunting, service to the motherland actually forged me as a person. I shoot very well. From expensive pneumatics to match and normal pistols Smith with Glock. Who doesn’t like to pass by and what I have and how much I know and the special state authorities, but others do not need to know. Follow the law, be responsible, without abuse, and everything is fine. And do not carry rubbish after mushrooms with a gun do not go and the bakery too. The son knows how to handle weapons perfectly, and knows that this is a terrible force.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 13 November 2018 01: 41
      -1
      Quote: tracer
      And I have enough of them.

      In abundance you have only deception ... Moreover, it is not motivated, but simply to deceive.
      Quote: tracer
      Shooting sport, hunting, service to the homeland actually forged me as a person.

      Well, yes, especially the service to the Motherland ... Call the battalion commander a different surname, or invent a nonexistent company commander.
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 November 2018 14: 29
      -1
      Quote: tracer
      Yes, and do not carry nonsense for mushrooms with a gun do not go and the bakery too
      -Then how to defend the desire for legalization? If in a bakery without a gun ??? what if there are gopniks ....
    3. ver_
      ver_ 16 November 2018 18: 22
      +1
      ... I don’t know about you, but ours - the taiga ..