Trampoline for "Roskosmos"

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Already in 2019, the first manned spacecraft made their first test flights: Crew Dragon from SpaceX and Starliner from Boeing. And "Crew Dragon" should fly already with the crew. If the tests are successful, America will gain independence from Russia in space and cooperation in this matter is likely to end.

The Americans themselves believe that everything is very promising in the space industry: SpaceX provided a fairly cheap launch of commercial satellites into orbit, space tourism is actively developing, where new products from Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic are expected to appear, and successfully) implemented various research missions in deep space. The situation darkens only dependence on Russia. Moreover, this dependence is in such a sensitive area as manned cosmonautics.



The recent accident of the Russian carrier Soyuz-FG added fuel to the fire. Recognizing the merits of this space veteran, its absolute reliability, the Americans still very nervously perceived the message that the American astronaut almost died on a Russian rocket. Probably, the thing is that there they look at such things through the prism of some of the next elections. And everyone understands that if Tyler Nicholas Haig, an American, was found dead somewhere in the Kazakh steppe, the American media (especially pro-democracy) would be “trampled” on the Trump administration. Nobody would be interested in the fact that the flights of Americans on the Soyuz began long before the current president of the United States: after all, Russian hackers who choose American presidents are also a myth, and the media doesn’t interfere at all.

The constantly increasing price of the services of space "cabbies" is nervous of Americans. If it all started with a fairly modest amount of 26,4 million dollars for one seat on the Soyuz, now its value has increased, according to some data, already to 81 million! Of course, Roskosmos can be understood: it is a sin not to use its monopoly position in the market, especially if you consider that the “client” is about to develop its manned ships. But the Americans, of course, pragmatism of Russians is pretty much out of date: they are well aware that they largely contain Roscosmos, which is not only engaged in civil projects.

At the same time, it is still very difficult to unequivocally predict the date for the end of Russian-American space cooperation. The Americans, with all the victorious reports, are constantly shifting the deadlines for the development of their manned spacecraft. Moreover, at one time they were very optimistic about the project “Constellation” by the year 2014, with which they planned to get to the ISS and even to the Moon. But, alas, “something went wrong”, and the traditional for the United States optimism was replaced by a much more realistic view of things.

This is due, among other things, to very high security requirements for such projects. 2019 the year, although it is announced the year of the beginning of the "combat" tests of new manned ships, is unlikely to be the year of their acceptance into service. This is all the more true that the Americans certainly don’t need any catastrophes with their own ship - if cooperation with the Russians can be “hanged” on Obama, then for his own haste, Trump, happen, he will answer fully and without discounts. But in the US they are already thinking about the presidential election of 2020.

For Russia, too, everything is far from being as rosy as one would like to think. Even D. Rogozin acknowledged that Roskosmos largely exists on money earned from the export of services, that is, transporting Americans and launching satellites.



Dm Rogozin:
Earlier, the state corporation lived on funds coming from foreign economic activity, if specifically, from selling to the Americans seats for flights to the ISS on our ships. Now this money has run out, and the corporation gets little dividends. And this sharply narrows the financial maneuver of the head structure of the industry, moreover, the Khrunichev Center constantly requires funds for daily needs.


With commercial launches of satellites, it is becoming increasingly difficult: Ilon Musk is increasingly taking away our bread, and a significant number of unsuccessful launches in recent years have deterred customers. The refusal of cooperation with the United States under the program of the ISS will make a huge gap in the budget of the department. It is clear that the state will not leave Roscosmos in trouble, but so far it’s not very likely that “effective managers” are eager to spend additional budget money on space.

Dm Rogozin:
And for the Pentagon, Musk sells launches at twice the price and covers his losses in the commercial market, killing competitors beyond which such a generous state does not loom
.

But let's be realistic: a break with the United States is simply inevitable. The only question is how soon it will take place: in the next year or two, or will it be delayed until 2024, when will the USA finish allocating funds for the ISS? After that, the question “what’s next?” Will be more relevant for Russia and Roscosmos, rather than for the United States and NASA.

And here everything is not so rosy, as we would like. For example, Americans are seriously considering new near-moon projects ("Lunar Orbital Platform - Gateway", or a project near the moon orbital station). More precisely, initially this project was considered as international, including with the participation of Russia, but now there is no certainty that Russia is guaranteed a place in it.

Dm Rogozin:
If this is a purely American project, and all the rest should be on the pickup, then we are not interested. We are ready only for equal cooperation.


Actively develop overseas and research missions to the outskirts of the solar system, with which we, frankly, traditionally somehow do not add up.

In turn, according to Andrei Ionin, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Cosmonautics, “after the ISS, Russia will have little to offer the United States in the field of space”.

Only their own projects remain. But after the introduction of international sanctions, optimism in this matter has somehow subsided. If recently we had talked about the Russian championship on Mars and the exploration of the moon, then now such conversations are no longer heard.

Yes, other projects remain: more pragmatic, such as the finishing of the Angara launch vehicle, military and dual-purpose satellites, and research projects in near space. And this, of course, necessary and useful activities, which in no case should not be neglected.

But if you advise someone to use the trampoline, you need to act immediately and beat, as long as it really hurts.

And now the time seems to have been lost. The very same with a trampoline would not stay! With the existing statistics of emergency starts it is quite likely.
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  1. +11
    7 November 2018 15: 11
    Well, say, well, say .... everything is natural.
    Do not wish for another .... better understand your economy, department, otherwise you will have to great space power, to produce trampolines, hard!
    1. +21
      7 November 2018 15: 22
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, say, well, say .... everything is natural.
      Do not wish for another .... better understand your economy, department, otherwise you will have to great space power, to produce trampolines, hard!

      Yes, our effective mnagery and production of trampolines fail.
      1. -1
        9 November 2018 19: 34
        I will not say anything about the Mask, but I just can’t imagine that our business would be built on rockets or all kinds of hyperloops. Still remember Prokhorov with his stillborn E-mobile?
    2. -26
      7 November 2018 15: 25
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, say, well, say .... everything is natural.
      Do not wish for another .... better understand your economy, department, otherwise you will have to great space power, to produce trampolines, hard!

      Come on.
      The next money changer just varied and got an article
      from my thoughts.
      1. +23
        7 November 2018 17: 18
        Quote: Bulls.
        Come on.

        The question is, and is praised by this, contemporary leaders - what is it? What is the list of their achievements, victories?
        With such "winners" what state will the country's space industry have?
        If you think carefully, evaluate, the question of trampolines seems quite logical!
      2. +4
        8 November 2018 13: 35
        Quote: Bulls.
        I got an article from my thoughts.
        For example, I expressed roughly the same thoughts even when Rogozin mentioned trampolines.
        Perhaps for some it was not so obvious, but even at that time Russia did not conduct practically space research since the late 80s, there was practically no progress in new LVs, there were no salaries in the industry ... for such things, you couldn’t work , and even a little harm ...
        When it was said about trampolines, there were relatively fat years (Musk had not yet begun to unfold). Well ... history does not teach anything. Reaping the benefits.
    3. +2
      7 November 2018 15: 36
      It is necessary to implement the proposed GDP, a joint moon project with the transfer of technology with China. China has enough money to finance this project. Immediately the United States will be far behind. And if BRICS and the SCO are pulled up to this project, then money, as O. Bender said, will have nowhere to go.
      The arms race will become planetary (catch up with Russia).
      1. +6
        7 November 2018 15: 45
        Yes, do not care about the Americans. What for do we need them to prove something? We must decide for ourselves what we need to do in space. We want to take everyone to the ISS like a taxi, or something more? Decide and start the embodiment. So, in fact, our cosmos developed, and not this commercial-market application to it.
        1. +10
          7 November 2018 16: 02
          Quote: Bulls.
          So, in fact, our cosmos developed, and not this commercial-market application to it.

          So then the country was when we could fly into space, whenever we want. And now? wink Hello capitalism! hi
        2. +4
          7 November 2018 17: 37
          Quote: Bulls.
          We must decide for ourselves what we need to do in space

          I agree, it’s a pity that they buried the space program of Korolyov and his followers, were inhibited in near-earth orbits. This happened in the Land of Soviets ... and then they just began to finish off everything and everything, to sell and pull it away.
          Still serious - the Chinese can’t be allowed to any of our developments! They row everything for themselves, EVERYTHING and the whole world are convinced of this. Well, it would be remembered by our responsible and top figures! Because when this happens their faces will be very sour, and our cosmonautics will be so wise that it’s hard to imagine sales now.
          1. +2
            8 November 2018 13: 40
            Quote: rocket757
            Because when this happens their faces will be very sour
            They won’t be able to see the results - the moshna will be full, they will retire, and then the grass will not grow further - spit.
            1. +1
              8 November 2018 13: 46
              Quote: Simargl
              no grass grow further

              That’s what I’m afraid of ... the tiny hope is warming up, they will stop letting our business of tricky j-presses over the hill, but here they will have at least some fear, maybe the Sailor Zheleznyakov will come with a bayonet at the ready!
              1. +2
                8 November 2018 13: 49
                Quote: rocket757
                hope, sho our business tricks for the hill cease to let
                It has nothing to do with it: they will fill up the moshna, ruin the industry and will be sent to retirement with awards or effectively master other, still alive, industries ...
          2. +2
            8 November 2018 13: 56
            The main thing is that they buried the USSR. Everything else is the consequences of that murder.
            1. 0
              8 November 2018 14: 05
              The USSR cannot be reborn so far, but we do live in Russia now, and this is the homeland.
              What is, it is already \ not ours yet, it is not forever!
              1. 0
                8 November 2018 14: 12
                Hope so. But only with these in the power of Russia will not. There is only one hope that we will sweep away this infection in the elections, when it comes to an end otherwise.
        3. +1
          9 November 2018 16: 25
          Quote: Bulls.
          at. What for do we need them to prove something? We must decide for ourselves what we need to do in space. We want to take everyone to the ISS like a taxi, or something more? Decide and start the embodiment. So, in fact, our cosmos developed, and not this commercial-market application to it.

          You don’t think so. that your questions are 20 years behind. If they are not raised before, then why will they be raised in the future, if the authorities are the same ??
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      3. +1
        7 November 2018 20: 50
        Quote: Bearded
        It is necessary to implement the proposed GDP, a joint moon project with the transfer of technology with China. China has enough money to finance this project. Immediately the United States will be far behind. And if BRICS and the SCO are pulled up to this project, then money, as O. Bender said, will have nowhere to go.
        The arms race will become planetary (catch up with Russia).

        CSTO forgot to mention)))
      4. dSK
        +4
        8 November 2018 08: 10
        Quote: Bearded
        with technology transfer.

        of Russia nobody ever anything I didn’t transfer or write off. For everything I had to pay and very expensive.
      5. 0
        10 November 2018 11: 01
        Quote: Bearded
        It is necessary to implement the proposed GDP, a joint moon project with the transfer of technology with China.

        I agree with this brothel to change the beds and he will be on top.
    4. +6
      7 November 2018 20: 45
      Quote: rocket757
      Well, say, well, say .... everything is natural.
      Do not wish for another .... better understand your economy, department, otherwise you will have to great space power, to produce trampolines, hard!

      I can "please": here, too, it is necessary to establish production, because all trampolines (sports equipment) that are sold in the Russian Federation are imported
      1. 0
        8 November 2018 07: 04
        That’s understandable .... sales with a label - made in Russia - it’s not so simple! Peel it off, and under it Made-in-China!
        1. dSK
          +1
          8 November 2018 14: 51
          Roscosmos is reorganizing its management structure. The head of the corporation Dmitry Rogozin three new deputies will appear. Previously, there were seven, now there will be ten. At the same time, two of them will occupy the post of first deputy.
          Today, the decisions of the last meeting of the Supervisory Board of Roscosmos were announced, it was held under the leadership of Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov on October 26.
    5. 0
      13 November 2018 14: 35
      Don’t worry, they will provide the orbit with new military satellites (just in case) and continue to engage in nonsense, such as Ankara or International projects ... slowly
  2. -14
    7 November 2018 15: 16
    Everyone will fly on their ships. Business then. The author is not crying.
    1. +18
      7 November 2018 16: 40
      Quote: Fungus
      Everyone will fly on their ships. Business then. The author is not crying.

      Specify where they will fly? The ISS will develop its resource in a few years. There are no rockets for Mars and the Moon.
      Yes, and for flights to their estates on the French Riviera, in Miami, Switzerland, the Roskosmos leadership does not need rockets
      1. -6
        7 November 2018 22: 18
        Sorry, clarification ... There are no tasks for Mars and the Moon. Because rockets are a tool to solve. No, no tasks, no funding. The carrying capacity of Energy is greater than that of Saturn 5. (which, like, launched into the space of the lunar modules). Those. The technical ability to fly to the moon today is available.
        1. 0
          8 November 2018 13: 46
          Quote: RomanS
          The carrying capacity of Energy is greater than that of Saturn 5. (which, like, launched into the space of the lunar modules). Those. The technical ability to fly to the moon today is available.
          In order to leave traces, like the Americans 50 years ago, such an expensive rocket may come down. To explore the moon and beyond - well, I don’t know.
          Technical opportunity? How many Americans saw their SLS from ready-made modules? Now, if at least one Energy was in the process of assembly - we could talk about technical feasibility, and so - only words and hopes.
        2. +1
          8 November 2018 16: 18
          Any technology left only in blueprint (without living people using it) is a priori lost. Cheaper for a new develop. This is a note. Nowadays, a lot of technologies have been lost (and those same Americans have actually practically lost the entire energy atom).
  3. +3
    7 November 2018 15: 18
    But if you advise someone to use the trampoline, you need to act immediately and beat, as long as it really hurts.

    Whom to "beat"? What to "beat" for? For funding most of the ISS? For the fact that for many years, in fact, funded the huge sector of Russian cosmonautics?
  4. +8
    7 November 2018 15: 27
    We are ready only for equal cooperation.

    Selling rocket engines to America is an equal partnership ... in launching US intelligence satellites? Something tells us that Mr. Ragozin will be very glad to use any opportunity to cut money. Even sell the trampoline to the Americans ...
    And the pathos of "equal" is only for internal use.
    1. +5
      7 November 2018 15: 35
      Well, frankly speaking, Rogozin did not even stand around the corner in the sale of engines ... take it higher ...
      1. +3
        7 November 2018 16: 05
        I personally do not like Rogozin, both as a politician and as an official. But I want to be fair - ROSKOSMOS, they began to plunder before him.
        There is only one way out - to put Shoigu as the head of Roscosmos. laughing
        1. +1
          8 November 2018 16: 20
          Correct you - not Shoigu, but Kiriyenko, like a chance appears for survival. But just a chance ...
          1. -2
            8 November 2018 16: 28
            Also a good option. Kiriyenko is a competent and active man. Shoigu has more managerial resources, he is closer to the president.
    2. +1
      7 November 2018 16: 13
      The Americans play their game here too. Colossal funds are being spent to support private companies for launching spacecraft. What are they private in this case? As long as the dollar is in value, they will fool everyone using the printing press. We must admit that the space industry is an expenditure side of the budget. Well, for theft, and for slovenliness (and they are always together) "cut off your hands."
  5. -2
    7 November 2018 15: 30
    It’s not clear from the ISS ... how will we leave, if we don’t leave the astronauts, the Americans will deliver some kind of money and don’t have enough .. And since the song ... Everything is fine, a beautiful marquise, things are going on and life is easy, not a single one, a sad surprise with the exception of a trifle ....
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 15: 37
      Quote: parusnik
      It’s not clear from the ISS ... how will we leave, if we don’t leave the astronauts, the Americans will deliver some kind of money and don’t have enough .. And since the song ... Everything is fine, a beautiful marquise, things are going on and life is easy, not a single one, a sad surprise with the exception of a trifle ....

      Who the hell is stopping me flying on my rockets?
      1. -2
        7 November 2018 17: 13
        If we suddenly leave, they will let us in on their missiles ...? And if we don’t leave and the Americans organize their own delivery aboard the ISS, will they refuse to receive our astronauts on our rockets? .. Damn it ... so damn it ...
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 23: 04
          They do not fly missiles on the ISS, fly on spaceships on the ISS. This is a note.
      2. -2
        7 November 2018 23: 02
        What are they flying on now?
    2. +3
      7 November 2018 23: 02
      The ISS itself has a little time left. A station in lunar orbit? Today it is the purest bluff.
  6. +3
    7 November 2018 15: 34
    Judging by our recent "successes" - the trampoline is not that far. Some projects are alone, there is no real success at all, and there is no progress towards improvement either. Ideas seem to float, but the space industry cannot live on ideas, it must live on tests and experiments. And we, and this is very much felt, do not even understand, but what next?
    1. +3
      7 November 2018 18: 01
      Quote: ochakow703
      And here, and this is very felt, there is not even understanding, but what next?

      Add fleet problems here. First, Nikolaev left, and we stopped building large ships. Ceased, and ceased. We decided to grow frigates. The states took the engines to frigates from us (also through Ukraine). We decided to build a fleet of the near sea zone. There was a lot of noise, they say we didn’t really want to, and our mosquito fleet can also spit with Caliber.
      But here is an article in the Free Press two days ago: https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/215168
      How to comment on it?
      And here, and this is very felt, there is not even understanding, but what next?

      Arrived. Dead end.
      An unexpected dead end? Yes, what is there unexpected? Long awaited. For example, here you can see trends that have long pointed to this dead end: http://chius.ru
      1. +1
        8 November 2018 14: 07
        The trend of this "our" government is as follows:

        Source: http://rospisatel.ru/predprijatija.htm
        1. 0
          8 November 2018 18: 16
          Of the 500000 factories of factories and enterprises that now operate across the country.
          1. +1
            8 November 2018 19: 13
            Vadim! It is possible that they work (indicate the source of this data), but they do not work strategically important or simply do not exist (they remained mainly on the outskirts, which now, coupled with the destruction of those that were in Russia and could replace them. So reasons for joy I do not see.
          2. -1
            8 November 2018 20: 49
            Vadim! I rummaged through the network, I didn’t receive a link from you to the source of half a million enterprises.
            http://www.stankin.ru/for-entrants/competition/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%20%E2%84%96815%20%D0%BE%D1%82%2014%20%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8F%202015.pdf
            That's practically everything in the defense industry - 1342 enterprises, including institutes, design bureaus and the rest that are necessary for the defense industry. Perhaps more, but what I found.
            35% of the USSR industry disappeared on the outskirts, I do not take other republics.
            Sad and scary.
        2. -3
          10 November 2018 13: 42
          Putin’s photo in the picture needs to be replaced by Kudrin, Nabiulina, Siluanov’s photo because they manage economic policy in Russia according to the covenant and in the interests of the IMF and the president under the Constitution of the Russian Federation has no right to appoint and intervene in the Central Bank’s economic policy just once in a few years , the one who personally from the Russian authorities determines the economic policy of the entire Russian economy.
          1. +1
            10 November 2018 14: 54
            All of them are one company, or rather, OPG. So it is not necessary to change, but to supplement it.
            1. -1
              10 November 2018 16: 35
              if by law there is no regulatory authority, then even the most genuine patriot of Russia will not be able to.
              The main thing is not the beautiful name of the post but the breadth of its powers under the Constitution. Therefore, before demanding anything from someone, you need to find out the breadth of his powers according to the basic law of the country.
              We have a lot of "rummaging" who do not even know that in Russia, according to the Constitution, the form of government is mixed and depends on the results of the parliamentary elections. opposition party) and if the president's party wins then (presidential-parliamentary).
              But in both cases, the president cannot be without a fig without parliament. By the way, Trump in the USA has more powers than Putin, since there is a presidential form of government and, for example, to strike or invade another country, he does not need permission from senators, unlike where the president needs permission from the Federation Council.
              The Constitution of the Russian Federation was originally written so as to exclude the development and strengthening of Russia, it was not in vain that its American advisers wrote.
              Russia still keeps afloat thanks to the patience of our people, we are robbed and we all meekly tolerate. We tolerate betrayal and theft of officials, we tolerate insults to liberals, we endure extortion and deprivation.
              1. 0
                10 November 2018 17: 37
                I agree! We are too patient and trusting.
              2. 0
                11 November 2018 23: 25
                Quote: lopvlad
                if by law there is no regulatory authority, then even the most genuine patriot of Russia will not be able to.

                ---------------------
                Nevertheless, for some reason, it was quite enough to increase the presidential and deputy term, as well as to raise the retirement age contrary to the Constitution. It is a matter of political will, and the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
          2. 0
            13 November 2018 14: 47
            This is what it means a person does not live in Russia. The classics wrote: "The mind cannot understand Russia ..." Since Russia combines both Western and Eastern traditions and its own. Therefore, many people often incorrectly translate from Russian into Russian, without taking into account the spiritual / traditional component.
            For example, the translation of the expression "recommended" sounds about the same in many languages ​​and means about the same thing, however in Russia the expression "recommended" can be synonymous with the expression "desirable", and "desires" and from the lips of, for example, the Government, President, Ministry, Leadership , Director, even a foreman, etc. literally translates as "Mandatory and urgent!"
            Now try to translate the expression: "According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the President has no right to interfere in the economic policy of the Central Bank," from dry Russian into real Russian.
    2. 0
      8 November 2018 19: 41
      And what do you want? Canary for a penny and to sing more bass? How the industry is financed, how it is being modernized, it works.
  7. +7
    7 November 2018 15: 40
    The successes of Russian cosmonautics under the guidance of the jester Rogozin are visible to the naked eye. Enterprises world leaders in space exploration have turned into a black hole, absorbing money, even among Americans !!!
    This buffoon still has the audacity to hint at a generous state to cover losses from banquets of the top management of Roscosmos
  8. +4
    7 November 2018 15: 47
    But let's be realistic: a break with the United States is simply inevitable. The only question is how soon will it take place: in the next year or two, or will it drag on until 2024, when the US finishes allocating funds to the ISS?

    Uhhh ... Over there, where the dog rummaged ... belay And we are naive, we thought that Roscosmos was financed from the Russian budget (not with Rogozin's money). They came, or rather, they reached the holes in the case. With such applications, it is the Russian cosmonauts who will have to master the Rogozin trampolines ... And the question has been postponed until 2024. And then what? Will the US stop allocating funds or will Putin leave? If CAM leaves, then not only Roscosmos, the whole of Russia, the "khan" will come ... If not he, then who? And who if not him?

    After that, the question "what next?" It will be more relevant for Russia and Roskosmos, rather than for the United States and NASA.

    Found an urgent question ... laughing Rogozin will be accused of everything and will be appointed minister of culture, and Medinsky will be pushed into Roscosmos ... We also have an atomic hero who can lead Roscosmos. They will call him "Kinderkosmos" and ... as in 1998 - everything is in brown substance, and he climbed into the Heroes of Russia ... And he got through ... feel
  9. +3
    7 November 2018 15: 51
    If Rogozin would be a decent person, he should have shot himself ..or voluntary resignation
    1. +2
      8 November 2018 14: 10
      This can be said about all "our" power. But these will not shoot themselves.
  10. +7
    7 November 2018 16: 01
    By the way, the Kazakhs won the Mask contract, despite their Baikonur (in the sense of the ability to reduce the cost due to this).

    Kazakhstan has planned for 19 November launch of its two satellites KazSaySat and KazistiSat using the Falcon 9 rocket of the American company SpaceX. About this was stated by the representative of the Ministry of defense and aerospace industry of the country Aset Nurkenov, Total.kz reported.
    1. +3
      7 November 2018 16: 06
      Kazakhs and hell are ready to contract .. If only the grannies thawed ..
      1. +3
        7 November 2018 18: 03
        Quote: Nathanael
        Kazakhs and hell are ready to contract .. If only the grannies thawed ..

        At Roskosmos, kg of the loaded payload is more expensive than the Mask, and the more this payload, the greater the difference in money. Although the Kazakhs needed to support the tenant of Baikonur, after all, 12% of the citizens of our state live there. Who knows, the Kazakhs have not refused to build a launch pad for a new union?
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 23: 09
          Yeah, more expensive, who argues. Only about the cost of shipping Kazakhstani satellites to America, the cost of insurance, taxes, duties and other services for some reason is silent. And if you add everything up, maybe you won’t win much in money?
          1. +1
            9 November 2018 08: 25
            Quote: Cannonball
            Yeah, more expensive, who argues. Only about the cost of shipping Kazakhstani satellites to America, the cost of insurance, taxes, duties and other services for some reason is silent. And if you add everything up, maybe you won’t win much in money?

            Everyone considered both taxes and transport, and still it turns out cheaper. It is not for nothing that Musk chopped off the lion's share of commercial launches.
            1. 0
              10 November 2018 14: 42
              Well, the flag is in your hands!
              Only avaricious pays twice ...
  11. 0
    7 November 2018 16: 07
    With the existing statistics of emergency starts ... I would like to see the numbers for clarity ...
  12. +3
    7 November 2018 16: 18
    We are an amazing country, even in branches, where we had an advantage, we are starting to lag behind. When new missiles from the USA and Europe fly past us, we will again heroically catch up with them. We ourselves always create problems for ourselves.
    1. -3
      7 November 2018 18: 24
      In such circumstances, our cosmos will only be able to save the creation of single-stage aerospace aircraft - with missiles, that's all, in this regard, the Mask cannot be caught up.
      1. -1
        7 November 2018 23: 11
        Your planes will not be capable of much, especially since their cost will be several times, or even an order of magnitude, higher than the cost of disposable missiles.
        1. -3
          8 November 2018 01: 43
          At least they will be fully recoverable, unlike rockets whose debris falls on the Siberian taiga, are not tied to spaceports, since they will be able to take off from conventional airfields and land there, the cost of launching is 8-10 times less than that of missiles and the most a big plus with the help of them, it will be possible to return spent satellites to the earth, the cost of which goes from several million to several billion dollars - for disassembling them into components and materials. In Russia, for such aircraft, the engine was made back in the 2016th ramjet + LRE.
          1. 0
            10 November 2018 14: 44
            Where are these space planes? There are none and it is not clear when they will appear, if at all.
    2. -1
      7 November 2018 23: 10
      We are going our own way and it will not be especially necessary to catch up.
      1. -3
        8 November 2018 09: 44
        Without a new one, our cosmos will become not competitively capable, but rockets for launching a payload into orbit, this is a dead end path of development, even with a returning first stage.
  13. +10
    7 November 2018 16: 24
    I dare to remind once again about the formation of Rogozin.
    1986 - journalism.
    1988 - University of Marxism-Leninism.
    Two "advanced" degrees in philosophy.
    And then - lo and behold - DOCTOR OF TECHNICAL SCIENCES.
    Who else to put to steer the space? Who better to know how to organize quality control and performance discipline? After all, they will not teach bad at UML, there is knowledge for all occasions.
    And in the internet there is a video about the fate of the Omsk plant "Flight". If this is true (and very much it looks like) then our space after the departure of Serdyukov only began to be seriously crushed. Look patiently to the end. Those who worked in the Soviet defense industry will be horrified. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlnYAXZi0oE
  14. -11
    7 November 2018 16: 26
    Already in 2019, American manned spacecraft will make their first test flights


    the Americans haven’t taken off yet and the author is already in a panic. The Americans are not panicking for something that they have been flying on our ships for a decade and that all the load in space is being launched on Russian RD-180 engines.

    As long as there are no real criminal sentences and huge fines, nothing will fly, in a capitalist state only real criminal punishment can force the capitalists to work without marriage and shoals.

    It is impossible to develop space technology considering space as a resource for sale to anyone, this will only lead to the collapse of the industry. This is what is happening in Russia.

    There is only one way out and this is our own projects on our own components or the elimination of such an industry as space.
    1. +5
      7 November 2018 17: 51
      Quote: lopvlad
      Until there are real criminal sentences and huge fines, nothing will fly

      Quite a few, like you, have an obsession that only "real criminal sentences and huge fines" will solve the case. Never! Even if we take the Stalinist period, then the production issues were approached comprehensively. The key word here is "complex". It is sheer nonsense that under Stalin everything was based on repression. Progress on repression alone is impossible.
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 19: 51
        Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
        "real criminal sentences and huge fines" will settle the case. Never!


        only those who support the thieves of state ownership say so. In Russia they give three years in prison for a stolen bag of flour in agriculture, and for lost millions from the fall of space rockets, Maxim will be fired, that's such a skew.
        China is punished by death for the theft of state millions and the first economy of the world, while in our country the elite is stroked for the theft of millions of people and the last skin is removed from the people.
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 20: 15
          Quote: lopvlad

          Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
          "real criminal sentences and huge fines" will settle the case. Never!

          so say only those who support the thieves of state property.
          You are a dangerous person. You can easily label others. I was one of the few who opposed the Yeltsin plan for the privatization of state property. But you have already put me to the wall, and shot me. But!
    2. -2
      7 November 2018 23: 14
      Penalties will not help, just as a criminal will not help. The recipe is simple - set a task, allocate sufficient funds and resources for this, and do not interfere with the work of specialists. All.
      1. 0
        8 November 2018 16: 24
        Just setting the task will not help. Need an idea, ideology. Like in the days of the Queen. Without it, all dust, alas.
        1. -1
          8 November 2018 19: 39
          Ideology is just superfluous. It distracts both time and money from real work. Believe me, in the space industry, there is no need to call or persuade specialists, they came to the industry, because space is not an empty phrase for them.
  15. 0
    7 November 2018 16: 48
    A trampoline come in handy for catapulting Rogozin to hell. And its roofs.
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 18: 30
      Well, Rogozin will catapult to hell with the entire leadership of Roscosmos - you think something will change in the industry from this - no damn thing.
  16. +2
    7 November 2018 18: 08
    Quote: "With the existing statistics of emergency starts, this is quite likely." End of quote.
    Statistics are just a mirror in which the state should look. Therefore, the correct conclusion from the above should be this: "With the existing manager and management, this is quite likely."
  17. +3
    7 November 2018 19: 02
    A poor country cannot be a leader in space. This is an axiom, with such an economy and such governance, we are doomed to catch up.
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 19: 18
      Take it cooler, we are doomed to fall!
    2. +1
      7 November 2018 19: 50
      We are not a "poor country", but very, very rich. Our management is a little unlucky with the people ...
      1. 0
        8 November 2018 07: 02
        There will be no other people, by definition! Amanagerov and other things that didn’t fit into our reality just get! It’s time to educate new ones, in our spirit and according to our concepts!
  18. +1
    7 November 2018 19: 36
    It seems to me that "effective managers" are afraid most of all that their life, fed at the trough, may end and they will have to somehow get out
    1. 0
      8 November 2018 00: 07
      "effective managers" when they feel that the trough is crumbling, they do not put up supports, but grab more and look for a new trough.
      1. 0
        10 November 2018 01: 35
        Quote: VSrostagro
        "effective managers" when they feel that the trough is crumbling, they do not put up supports, but grab more and look for a new trough.

        Unfortunately I have to agree with your words. This is often the case - and it is necessary to fight against this practice, if our country wants to achieve prosperity.
  19. +4
    7 November 2018 19: 49
    Yes, there are also problems with trampolines ... I bought children like Russian, I brought home-made in China ...
  20. +1
    7 November 2018 23: 14
    Rogozin must be in a maximum security colony
  21. +2
    7 November 2018 23: 56
    Quote: Bearded
    It is necessary to implement the proposed GDP, a joint moon project with the transfer of technology with China. China has enough money to finance this project. Immediately the United States will be far behind. And if BRICS and the SCO are pulled up to this project, then money, as O. Bender said, will have nowhere to go.
    The arms race will become planetary (catch up with Russia).

    The idea may not be bad, but there is no carrier for this even on the horizon. We are still deciding what to do. Either Angara A-7, or a heavyweight based on Soyuz-5. Other projects are not even considered (such as "Yenisei-5" or "Amur-5"). You can pull up anyone, but apart from China, in fact, none of the SCO / BRICS countries have any prospects in astronautics ...

    Quote: parusnik
    If we suddenly leave, they will let us in on their missiles ...? And if we don’t leave and the Americans organize their own delivery aboard the ISS, will they refuse to receive our astronauts on our rockets? .. Damn it ... so damn it ...

    We have our own segment. Albeit unfinished, but there. But the number of launches, alas, can be reduced. There were persistent rumors that the money received for their cosmonauts was used to build and launch the Soyuz and Progress. How much is true in percentage - HZ. If now we launch about 5 Soyuz and 4 Progress each year, will it not work out that we will be able to launch, for example, only 2 Soyuz and Progress each? How then can we get our people, or live there for six months. And the completion of the segment will lead to the fact that people in our segment will be sorely lacking ... There are more questions than answers to them
  22. 0
    8 November 2018 09: 14
    If Rogozin is placed on the trampoline, he will make a hole in the trampoline.
  23. 0
    9 November 2018 19: 51
    Trampoline for "Roskosmos"

    By this appointment of Rogozin to the Roscosmos state corporation, the country's leadership would probably like to see from him those actions that would be aimed at leaving the Russian Federation from the state of the United States in the space field for the period of his statement about the "trampoline" for the Americans. Here are the cards in your hands, dear comrade D. Rogozin.
  24. 0
    10 November 2018 13: 29
    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
    You can easily label others


    it’s your persecution mania and the applied turnover is clearly not from a patriotic camp. They like to use it very much in the liberal community, and the fact that you were against Yeltsin’s privatization doesn’t mean that you were in favor of leaving everything in state ownership and natural resources owned by the people.
  25. 0
    13 November 2018 14: 26
    "The Americans will invent the wheel tomorrow !!! Russian cyclists tremble !!!")))
    # Soon, we are waiting for new announcements ...