In China, there are tanks with two hatches, as in "Armata"

At the military exhibition, which opened on Tuesday in the Chinese Zhuhai, much attention was paid to the land forces technique. Among the samples of equipment noticed Tanks with two hatches in the case, like the Russian T-14, writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Both new cars and modernized samples are on display. For example, on one of the sites placed various versions of the tank Type 59, available in service in many countries of the world.

A total of about a dozen different-purpose vehicles are presented: from firefighters and engineering to models, the characteristics of which are as close as possible to the performance characteristics of the latest generation of tanks.

You can observe varying degrees of modernization. Everything is designed for the financial capabilities of a potential foreign customer. More advanced versions of the Type 59 received 125-mm gun with a twin 7,62-mm machine gun, dynamic protection, a new fire control system with a thermal imager, as well as a more powerful (800 hp) engine.

The mass of the tank increased to 40 tons, the crew still consists of 4 people.

Among the upgraded cars, observers noticed patterns that differed from the rest by having two hatches instead of one. This was reminded by the Armata T-14 to many. However, according to the newspaper, it is most likely training tanks, in which, along with the mechanic's place, there is a place for an instructor. This assumption is confirmed by the fact that one of the machines in the tower can be seen viewing windows, and the other on the tower there are no sights and viewing devices, the newspaper writes.

Previously, similar training options have already been seen in the Chinese army. This is a modified tanks Type 96.

Comments

[IGU]

For the sake of space for the instructor do extra. Luke? Easier to solve the problem, isn't it fate?

[novel66]

the Chinese have their own way, special

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: novel xnumx

the Chinese have their own way, special

And it is not always necessary in this way to look for the imitation of Russia. Thus, in the introduction of the shutter delay into the AK mechanism, the imitation of the AR-15 can be seen. An example is solely given as an example.

[novel66]

an example as an example? Pasha. you are wonderful!

[bouncyhunter]

I specially applied tautology. In armaments, foreign know-how is often copied (or simply simply shoved insolently). It’s just that someone does it quietly, and someone flaunts it. And now I'm not talking about the Chinese.

[novel66]

about Kalash in America? so they can!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: novel xnumx

about Kalash in America? so they can!

Bingo! And what: did God himself issue permission to them with his own signature and seal? Impunity breeds permissiveness. And permissiveness breeds lawlessness. What we see.

[Shurik70]

But one anti-personnel machine gun coaxial with a cannon for a tank by any means is not enough.
A separate heavy machine gun on the tower is also needed. A thing for the tank is necessary.
As for the "imitation" of Armata - nonsense. In two or three years, the tank cannot be brought to the point where it is possible to show foreigners to the exhibition. So this hatch appeared on prototypes long before Russia showed Armatu.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Shurik70

So this prototype hatch appeared long before Russia showed Armata.

What I said above.

Quote: Shurik70

A separate heavy machine gun on the tower is also needed. A thing for the tank is necessary.

As an independent firing point, including anti-aircraft (without reference to the main weapons)? I don’t jerk, this moment is just really interesting.

[Shurik70]

Yes. And shoot down the drone, and drive off the helicopter, and which suspicious house to riddle up, or to brush bushes for a couple of kilometers from the tank to comb, and a wedge heel, which shell is a pity to use, set fire to.
Anti-personnel, and even paired with a cannon, can’t cope with this. A heavy machine gun is needed.

[bouncyhunter]

Actually, I understood that. Moreover, as I estimate, this machine gun should have not only the ability to control the operator, but also the ability to work from the OMS and network-centric target designation. Or am I too deep into the jungle of automation and robotics?

[Shurik70]

Ideally, people should not kill people at all.
And if the war has begun, then let the robots die, not people.
So now all over the world they are trying to create drones, and even with the possibility of "swarm" for action in a group. For tanks, this trend also exists.
And what exactly is it on which tank is it - the latest developments are not shared with the media. General performance characteristics were said, and enough for the parade.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Shurik70

Ideally, people should not kill people at all.

That's for sure . In the movie "Romeo Must Die" the right thought was sounded: "Weapons do not kill people. People kill."

Quote: Shurik70

And what exactly is it on which tank is it - the latest developments are not shared with the media. General performance characteristics were said, and enough for the parade.

It would be at least strange (if not stupid) to publicize your achievements to the fullest. Which, in turn, provides the basis for all kinds of speculation in the media.

[novel66]

and so. since it’s gone, is it really necessary shutter lag?

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: novel xnumx

and so. since it’s gone, is it really necessary shutter lag?

If it allows you to win even a split second when recharging - the answer is obvious, Roma. And if the mechanism of automatic removal from the slide delay is implemented when replacing an empty store with a full one ...

[novel66]

.... in inexperienced hands, a turn in your leg can happen (this is at best!)

[bouncyhunter]

So give the inexperienced two balls of steel and you yourself know what will happen to them: one will rub - the second will break. But seriously: not everyone called up for urgency can be trusted with modern weapons without proper training and passing tests and standards.

[Bull Terrier]

They need to sell park 59. They were there with him as soon as they were fit out) 125 guns to fit into it, which alone is worth it)

[Machito]

The second hatch to quickly dump out of this vehicle.

[bessmertniy]

This is for ventilation, so that it ventilates faster in the tank with poor nutrition.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Bearded

The second hatch to quickly dump out of this vehicle.

You, besides "urya-urya", can you put something more intelligible? I ask a question about your "corpse vehicle"

[Bull Terrier]

And where did you see Urya and who compared something to ours?) This is really an extremely weak machine for our time, but in banana countries it will fit like ours 62.

[Piramidon]

Firstly, the question was not asked to you. Secondly, I asked about the "corpse wagon". And if you got stuck in a dialogue, can you answer this question yourself?

[Bull Terrier]

So do not want otayetov, write questions in PM and not on the forum. What do you answer? That this 30 year machine does not meet modern requirements? Do you want to challenge this?)))

[Piramidon]

Specifically, do you have anything to answer about the "corpse vehicle" besides your conclusions?

[Bull Terrier]

Specifically, I already answered) this is an old machine that has not been produced 31 years already. Do you understand? For 31 years, not a single new one has left the factory. Copy 54. How else to call her? Wunderwaffe?)

[Vinnibuh]

And the windows do not bother you? )))

[donavi49]

An interesting choice for news. Is this really the most interesting at the biggest event of the fall?

For an example from really interesting novelties - WS-600L. New OTRK - universal class. Declares work on land-based stationary and moving targets, as well as marine targets.

[donavi49]

New universal ballistic anti-ship missiles - at 15-290km with 6М.

[donavi49]

That same great and terrible CH-7. In a full-size layout (22 meters of scope, 13 tons of take-off).

[just exp]

thanks for the news. I did not know what the Chinese 6M RCC did.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: donavi49

An interesting choice for news. Is this really the most interesting at the biggest event of the fall?

Such news is given in parts, and not dumped in one heap.

[g1washntwn]

The "Zaporozhets" also has 4 wheels, like a "Mercedes"! The version about cheap training tanks is preferred.
Although, what's new there, if you run with a plastic dummy instead of AK, I can hardly imagine.

[Berkut24]

Oh, 2 hatches are now a sign of a 4th generation tank. Technology. which can only be mastered by highly advanced countries.

[HMR333]

are they stupid people who have two hatches and what does he look like a fittings now? these foty also then have two hatches as armata I wanted to add another skyquoker did not become what kind of crazy news !!!

[Catfish]

Honestly, when I think about China and the extent of our common border, I somehow do not laugh.

[yehat]

there’s really nothing to laugh about. especially if you recall how many Chinese are constantly in Siberia. Some areas can already be called half or even more populated by the Chinese. There are such ones in the Far East, near Lake Baikal, in the vicinity of Krasnoyarsk and Chita.

[Zomanus]

Yes, garbage is everything, without military use.
How many of our "unparalleled" weapons went into rework after combat experience in Syria.
And here it’s the same, the blade is on fire. Without the experience of real battles, it's just crafts.

[voyaka uh]

The main thing is that the mechanic's hatch should not be in the center of the tank. It’s easy to aim at it - because, the center of the target. And one or two hatches on the side is not so important.

[novel66]

how so does the hatch weaken the structure?

[Okolotochny]

Sapromat remembered something?

[novel66]

Lesh, sopromat, SOPRotivlenie MATERIALOV, and what else?

[Okolotochny]

Again, “heal”? I-beam, twisting, kink - this is so offhand.

[Allexxx]

And where can I see cartoons of the Ministry of Defense of China on new types of weapons? Or they just have everything at the level of finished samples?

[faterdom]

Two hatches is cool! This is not one of you hatched! This is two!

[LeonidL]

There are two of them?

[LeonidL]

The great copiers of everything and everything could not resist and now ...

[philosopher]

The Chinese begin to copy from a candy wrapper, playing on the intuitive opinion of a potential buyer, which, since it looks like from the outside, means like that. Well, Lifan for some reason is not Toyota.