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Media: Cancel the Paris talks Putin and Trump asked for Macron

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The media have confirmed the information that came today from Washington about the fact that Trump will not hold a full-format meeting in Paris with Vladimir Putin. So, in the newspaper Kommersant With reference to unnamed European sources, it is stated that the initiative regarding the refusal of the presidents of Russia and the United States from the full-length dialogue in the capital of France comes allegedly from the French President Emmanuel Macron.


Media: Cancel the Paris talks Putin and Trump asked for Macron


The argument is as follows:
Macron does not want the negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Paris to overshadow the significance of the event, which will be held on November 11, by its scale and significance.


It is about celebrating the 100 anniversary of the end of the First World War. In Paris on that day, the heads of state will meet in 1914-1918 years participating in the PRC. Putin and Trump among the invitees.

Recall that a few hours ago, Trump said that "probably will not meet with Vladimir Putin in Paris." According to Trump, full-fledged negotiations between them can take place at the next G20 summit, which this time starts in late November in Argentina.

If the statements about the “recommendations” from Macron are true, then Macron is clearly trying to take steps to be the “main” person at an expected Paris meeting during the November 11 events.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 November 2018 11: 00
    +8
    then Macron is clearly trying to take measures in order to become the "main" person at the expected Paris meeting during the November 11 events.

    ... we suppose, apparently, that an extra wreath of dubious glory)) will not hurt him ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 6 November 2018 11: 02
      +19
      And I like Emmanuelle, and all the series smile
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 11: 59
        +6
        Quote: Thrall
        And I like Emmanuelle, and all the series

        Well, the last one with an old woman is somehow not very No.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 6 November 2018 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: LSA57
          Well, the last one with an old woman is somehow not very

          The case when in the costume of a teacher in bed your first teacher smile
    2. zhekazs
      zhekazs 6 November 2018 11: 27
      +6
      Quote: aszzz888
      apparently believe that an extra wreath of dubious glory)) it won’t hurt him ..

      No, it's his revenge for dandruff laughing The vindictive rat.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 6 November 2018 14: 51
        +1
        With such ambition, it is not necessary to pick out dandruff from Macron, but flea laughing
    3. Deune
      Deune 6 November 2018 11: 30
      +3
      Or maybe he wants Trump to inspect him again for dandruff?
    4. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 November 2018 11: 32
      +5
      Serge hi
      Quote: aszzz888
      Macron apparently believe that an extra wreath of dubious fame

      As if he did not have to try on the wreath of the martyr (or renegade) subsequently.
    5. Kurare
      Kurare 6 November 2018 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... we suppose, apparently, that an extra wreath of dubious glory)) will not hurt him ...

      On the other hand, he is right somewhere, this meeting is a memory of all those who fell during the First World War, and not a summit. In addition, mercantile interest: such a meeting is a decent financial burden due to the additional involvement of law enforcement agencies.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: Kurare
        In addition, mercantile interest: such a meeting is a decent financial burden due to the additional involvement of law enforcement agencies.

        what else additional? they will be there anyway
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 6 November 2018 12: 13
          0
          Quote: LSA57
          what else additional? they will be there anyway

          Additional because when they are all together - this is one thing, and when the two delegations are separately isolated - this is additional.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: Kurare
            and when the two delegations separately retire - this is additional.

            where separately ??
            this is optional.

            what extra? there will be security "you never dreamed of"
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 6 November 2018 12: 44
              0
              Quote: LSA57
              "you never dreamed of"

              ... yes, such amounts can only be dreamed of laughing
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 51
                +1
                Quote: Kurare
                ... yes, such amounts can only be dreamed of

                cleverly jumping
                it was said that no increase in special services would be needed
                due to the additional involvement of power structures.

                your words?
                1. Kurare
                  Kurare 6 November 2018 12: 56
                  0
                  Quote: LSA57
                  your words?

                  And I didn’t refuse them. If you decide to make a bilateral meeting - there will be additional (and not even very small) costs for this event.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Kurare
                    If you decide to make a bilateral meeting - there will be additional (and not even very small) costs for this event.

                    what and what ????? they are already there! the guard is there! what are the additional costs ????
                    1. Kurare
                      Kurare 6 November 2018 13: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: LSA57
                      what and what ????? they are already there! the guard is there! what are the additional costs ????

                      It’s one thing to protect events about those who fell in the war, where, in principle, there should be no protests. The other is a summit of two presidents. And we will be honest and honest: neither Trump nor GDP are particularly popular in Europe, which means leftist protests can not be avoided. It seems to me that Macron wants to avoid this.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurare
                        . The other is a summit of two presidents.

                        Firstly. this is not a summit. this is a working meeting
                        Secondly. the meeting could be in a closed area, where no "leftists" would be allowed to come close.
                        which means leftist protests can not be avoided.

                        this is a police problem, not as a security agency. disperse the crowd, their work and will not require any additional costs
                      2. Kurare
                        Kurare 6 November 2018 13: 22
                        0
                        Quote: LSA57
                        this is not a summit.

                        The meeting of the two presidents is a summit meeting. Yes, much higher then! You want to call it "working", but this does not change the meaning.
                        Quote: LSA57
                        the meeting could be in a closed area, where no "leftists" would be allowed to come close.

                        And they don't need to be "close". Just like it was in Hamburg, the whole area of ​​the city was gutted. The main thing for them is the reason. Their behavior is a topic for another conversation ...
                        Quote: LSA57
                        this is a police problem, not as a security agency. disperse the crowd, their work and will not require any additional costs

                        I wrote about "power structures", not just about special services. And the costs of such events are colossal!
                      3. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurare
                        The meeting of the two presidents is a summit.

                        the summit was in Helsinki on July 16th. and this is called the summit. prepare for such meetings in advance.
                        arrival at some event and talking on it is considered a working meeting
                        The main thing for them is an occasion.

                        that's it. always come up
                        I wrote about "power structures", and not just about the special services

                        I repeat again. there will be more than enough of them
                        Do you really think that all the options are not calculated there?
                        And the costs of such events are colossal!

                        and with what fright would they increase in the event of a meeting?
                        do you think other presidents will not meet?
                      4. Kurare
                        Kurare 6 November 2018 13: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: LSA57
                        prepare for such meetings in advance.

                        But for such events, which will be in France, do not prepare in advance?
                        Quote: LSA57
                        I repeat again. there will be more than enough of them. Do you really think that all the options are not calculated there?

                        It is one thing to protect, and another to disperse, i.e. You will need more and with other equipment. In addition, no one "canceled" the riots that will surely be and which lead to devastating consequences for which someone has to pay! In this case, the police will usually be accused of "inaction" and "unpreparedness".
                        It’s almost impossible to get political dividends from such an event. That Macron does not want this.
                      5. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 14: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Kurare
                        But for such events, which will be in France, do not prepare in advance?

                        not in terms of negotiations !!!! what can we talk about for a maximum of an hour ?? they have more than one meeting there, unlike a one-on-one conversation without a time limit
                        It’s one thing to guard and another to disperse

                        that's it!!!! what do presidential protection have to do with police activities?
                        no one "canceled" the riots that will surely be and which lead to devastating consequences for which someone has to pay!

                        unrest tames police!!!! and for this she has long been ready !!!!!! this is their job !!!!
                        because you understand that they got into a puddle with additional expenses, but you still rest !!!
                        It’s almost impossible to get political dividends from such an event.

                        once again noticed, cleverly changed the shoes. emphasized additional costs
                      6. Kurare
                        Kurare 6 November 2018 15: 02
                        0
                        Quote: LSA57
                        that's it!!!! what do presidential protection have to do with police activities?

                        And where does the presidents guard ??? Acceleration of the so-called Demonstrators and protection of leaders of different countries are two different things!
                        Quote: LSA57
                        riot police tames !!!! and for this she has long been ready !!!!!! this is their job !!!!

                        No, such events are always a special situation and the police alone, for example, from one city, will not be able to cope here. Bring policemen from everywhere and they work overtime.
                        Quote: LSA57
                        once again noticed, cleverly changed the shoes.

                        Something you are too fond of "shoes" laughing
                        I am explaining my thought about "political dividends": large expenditures on such events (power structures) do not bring political dividends, since the electorate must be explained why their money is thrown into the wind.
                      7. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 15: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Kurare
                        And where does the presidents guard ???

                        I quote you again !!!!
                        this is a decent financial burden due to the additional involvement of law enforcement agencies.

                        repeat again?
                        No, such events are always a special situation and by the police

                        the police are by no means a power structure
                        . Bring policemen from everywhere and they work overtime.

                        so there will be a meeting or not, they are already there!!!! what are the additional costs ????
                        Something you are too fond of "shoes"

                        and that's why
                        Let me explain my thought about "political dividends":

                        talked about spending request
                        as the electorate needs to be explained why their money is thrown to the wind.

                        of course. the people are so stupid that they don’t understand how much such events cost.
                        Well, if you arrange a holiday, it’s money down the drain ... then everything is clear with you.
                      8. Kurare
                        Kurare 6 November 2018 15: 42
                        0
                        Quote: LSA57
                        repeat again?

                        I re-read my post three times, I have no words PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT
                        Quote: LSA57
                        the police are by no means a power structure

                        What is this? belay In Paris, policemen with the HK MP 5 and in armor go. And there are also special police units.
                        Quote: LSA57
                        talked about spending

                        So the fact of the matter is that the consequence of additional expenses is a deterioration in the political rating.
                        Quote: LSA57
                        Well, if you arrange a holiday, it’s money down the drain ... then everything is clear with you.

                        Yes, it seems that they are organizing a holiday! Nobody says about him "money down the drain". They just don't want this holiday to be mixed with Trump's business meeting and VVP
                      9. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 16: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Kurare
                        PRESIDENT PROTECTION

                        come without protection? belay
                        What is this? In Paris, policemen with the HK MP 5 and in armor go. And there are also special police units.

                        Well then the Army, what? belay
                        that the consequence of additional spending is a deterioration in the political rating.

                        laughing out loud laughing
                        security, has it become an extra expense? laughing
                        what horror laughing means an increase in terrorist attacks, is this a plus to the rating? laughing
                        Just don't want to, hthen this holiday would be mixed with Trump's business meeting and GDP

                        then what does it have to do with it?
                        it decent financial burden due to additional involvement of law enforcement agencies.

                        you think of one reason laughing and then mixed here .... laughing
                      10. Kurare
                        Kurare 6 November 2018 16: 32
                        0
                        Quote: LSA57
                        you really think of one reason and then mixed here ....

                        Things are interconnected. I laid them out on a silver platter for you. Do not like it, eat yours, i.e. laugh further .. hi
                      11. LSA57
                        LSA57 6 November 2018 16: 40
                        0
                        [quote] Things are interconnected [/ quote]
                        in what laughing
                        [quote] I laid them out on a silver platter for you. [/ quote]
                        virtual saucer laughing
                        never decomposed
                        [quote] This is a decent financial burden due to the additional involvement of law enforcement agencies. [/ Quote]
                        did it affect the cancellation of the meeting? laughing
                        Macron regretted the money for security? laughing
                        well and again
                        [quote] On the other hand, he’s right somewhere, this meeting is a memory of all those who fell during the First World War, and not a summit.[/ Quote]
                        Well, this does not fit with
                        [Quote] In addition, mercantile interest: [/ Quote]
                        you really separate flies from cutlets laughing
                      12. Seld
                        Seld 6 November 2018 13: 54
                        +1
                        You are definitely RIGHT! Only those who have never taken part in the organization of such events can talk about the meeting of the two presidents in PM as a "routine". Both from the point of view of organizational and protocol measures, and from the point of view of security. Lichka is done saaaaa completely differently. And the foreign affairs agencies need to carry out a decent amount of preparatory coordinating procedures.
                        Well, in fact, two leaders cannot simply meet without having "in their pocket" some previously agreed documents for discussion on the agenda. By the way, I am sure that during the holiday they will definitely shake hands, and they will tell their friend "with a gullible friend." And that's all. And it is right! The format of a serious meeting without detailed preparation in all areas does NOT exist. This is not a sitting on a bench of two pensioners. Nope ...
                        PS It's too early to pester each other with questions, because: "The question in our business is expensive" (film "The meeting place cannot be changed").
      2. Tarhan
        Tarhan 6 November 2018 15: 27
        -1
        On the other hand, he’s right somewhere, this meeting is a memory of all those who fell during the First World War,

        And all gathered neither Germany nor England, but France. And Macron, in any case, with Trump meeting with Putin or not, will be the main one. He invited everyone.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 6 November 2018 11: 55
      +7
      What would happen to France in World War I, without the help of Russian soldiers. Is Macron a winner now? belay This gerontofil thinks a lot about himself. winked
      1. Seld
        Seld 6 November 2018 14: 05
        +1
        You mean Miracle on the Marne? Brusilov breakthrough?
        Mmmmmm ....., the sources interpret the role of RI in different ways. Just remember the history course from school.
        And if you remember the "wonderful things" with the release of the Republic of Ingushetia / RSFSR from the war, then the picture saaaaaavsome is seen in a different way. The Frenchman (if I'm not offended by memory, Marshal Forsch) came to beg, Schaub Russia did not conclude a unilateral separate peace with Willie. For these reasons, by the way, Russia's participation in this war may objectively look not so unambiguous. It is enough to read thoughtfully the history textbooks from the school curriculum of the times of the USSR. Toka - thoughtful ...
        However, it is difficult to deny the fact that the Republic of Ingushetia naturally naturally pulled a fair amount of the Germans' forces onto itself. How did it all end? As? ...
        The most interesting thing in another: the promises made by the Entente for the Republic of Ingushetia, in terms of benefits for the completion of the defeat of the Germans. The song would be .... if not for Ilyich.
        1. Tarhan
          Tarhan 6 November 2018 15: 36
          -1
          However, it is difficult to deny the fact that the Republic of Ingushetia naturally naturally pulled a fair amount of the Germans' forces onto itself.

          With the same success, it can be argued that the troops of France and England pulled significant German forces from the eastern front.

          And Russia began the war with Germany, having stood up for Serbia. And only then on the side of Russia England and France got involved in the war. And if it were not for the Brest Peace of Lenin, Russia would have acquired the Bosphorus and Dardanelles together with Constantinople in 1918.
        2. Tutejszy
          Tutejszy 6 November 2018 16: 15
          +1
          Quote: seld
          And if you remember the "wonderful things" with the release of the Republic of Ingushetia / RSFSR from the war, then the picture saaaaaavsome is seen in a different way.

          And if you recall the "wonderful things" with the active assistance of "allied" France, various Duma scum am , who staged February, then the picture saaaaaavsem differently seen. Froggers thought that republican Russia would fight more effectively than imperial? The turkey also thought ...
    7. Kent0001
      Kent0001 6 November 2018 12: 17
      -2
      It does not matter what the pasta thinks, but he achieved his trampon and listened to him and pushed the meeting with Putin into the background ..... so in passing.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: Kent0001
        trampon listened to him

        oh how belay
        and pushed the meeting with Putin into the background ..... so in passing.

        one president does not decide such things. to meet, or not, both decide. cannot send each other. runs the risk of running into a tough answer when he wants
  2. Machito
    Machito 6 November 2018 11: 00
    +4
    Trump is really afraid to meet with Putin.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 6 November 2018 11: 31
      +4
      Still would! Especially after his first meeting, when both his enemies and friends were so rinsed!
    2. zhekazs
      zhekazs 6 November 2018 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: Bearded
      Trump is really afraid to meet with Putin.

      The piggy is pinched by meetings with Putin and Trampukha is there too)) But seriously, then at Red, with his last kits on the INF Treaty, in fact, such a strong position will not be in the negotiations. Apparently, the visit of Chatterbox did not go as expected.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: zhekazs
        Piglet is squeezing from meetings with Putin

        well no. this GDP disdain to give him a hand. according to the protocol request
      2. Kurare
        Kurare 6 November 2018 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: zhekazs
        But seriously, then with Red, with his last kits on the INF Treaty, in fact, not such a strong position will be in the negotiations.

        The Americans do not give a damn about the opinions of others, the INF Treaty began to die from the moment when, under Bush the younger, they decided to create a missile defense system in Eastern Europe. It's like M. Twain: "Never argue with idiots. You will sink to their level, where they will crush you with their experience." This is just about the situation with the current US administration.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 6 November 2018 11: 59
      +1
      Trump needs a meeting with Putin more than the latter. But with money and at the age of Trump, there is nothing to be afraid of. winked
  3. Masya masya
    Masya masya 6 November 2018 11: 02
    +10
    Macron is simply jealous ... lol
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 6 November 2018 11: 09
      +5
      Macron is simply jealous ...

      smile Against the background between these two presidents, Macron looks like just a clown ... and then Trump treats Macron as a boy who can pat his hair on the top of his head ... which Macron clearly does not bear to the spirit.

      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 6 November 2018 11: 45
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Trump refers to Macron as a boy who can pat his hair

        Question: where to pat your hair ... Monkey, gay, Rusty from the same opera - just look at his relationship with his wife and it will become clear, and Macron, married to a disgusting old woman, Satan himself ordered ...
        So it remains to sympathize with the Guarantor, he is really in isolation, does not accept his gay community. Here is hehe - heh (© Mikhan)
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        which you can pat on the top of your hair ... which Macron clearly does not tolerate.

        teacher’s favorite gesture to beloved student laughing
        1. Tutejszy
          Tutejszy 6 November 2018 16: 17
          +1
          Quote: LSA57
          teacher’s favorite gesture to beloved student

          Adolf preferred the Jungfolk boys to wag the cheek
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother 6 November 2018 11: 03
    +9
    Horseradish with it, with pasta. In fact, there is something to talk about? The United States can only read out the latest ultimatum, and Russia will naturally send them to Kathmandu.
    Is it worth it, for the sake of this, to spend fuel and the resource of the presidential board? Lavrov to send and all.
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 6 November 2018 11: 24
      -1
      Quote: Gray Brother
      have something to talk about?

      because the parties remained unanimous in their opinion this meeting will not take place ... and so, if our president called Trump and said he was ready for any concessions, I think Donald broke in the middle of the night and flew to anywhere in the world ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 November 2018 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: taiga2018
        because the parties remained with their opinion, this meeting will not take place.

        I’m talking about that. To be convinced of an invariable position is the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
        1. taiga2018
          taiga2018 6 November 2018 11: 29
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          level

          I think just enough to exchange sms ...
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 November 2018 11: 32
            +1
            Quote: taiga2018
            I think just enough to exchange sms ...

            This is a last resort and we, our SMS, will not be the first to send it for sure.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 6 November 2018 11: 33
      0
      Is it worth it, for the sake of this, to spend fuel and the resource of the presidential board?

      In Paris, the event is purely nominal. But on Dzh20 in Argentina you can give up the "White Swan")))
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 06
      0
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Is it worth it, for the sake of this, to spend fuel and the resource of the presidential board? Lavrov to send and all.

      take part in the celebration heads of countries who took part in WWI.
      do not come to the President, do not respect the country
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 November 2018 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: LSA57
        do not come to the President, do not respect the country

        Not mine.
        But I understand, yes, politeness must be respected.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 11
          +2
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Not mine.

          exactly that of mine. or throw out a piece of Russian history again?
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 November 2018 12: 28
            +1
            Quote: LSA57
            exactly that of mine. or throw out a piece of Russian history again?

            Why throw it out? I just don't see any reason to celebrate someone else's victory, although they now call it "reconciliation".
            But they still remained our enemies, maybe not of their own free will, but they remained and, as before, would happily live at our expense if we give weakness.
            There is no reconciliation and we have no such holiday.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 43
              +2
              Quote: Gray Brother
              I just don’t see the point of celebrating someone else’s victory,

              why a stranger. Russia was a member of the coalition. have you heard of the Entente?
              Entente British Empire France Russian Empire In addition to these main countries, on the Entente side more than twenty states were grouped, and the term “Entente” began to be used to refer to the entire anti-German coalition. Thus, the anti-German coalition included countries: Andorra, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, China, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Italy (since May 23, 1915), Japan, Liberia, Montenegro , Nicaragua, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Siam, USA, Uruguay.

              Read more on the page: https://www.rosimperija.info/post/1881

              But they still remained our enemies,

              where did you teach history?
              during WWII we were allies again.
              are you sure that happen, God forbid the third, they will remain faithful allies striped? because maneuvers are maneuvers, and missiles with nuclear weapons will fall on their heads
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 6 November 2018 13: 06
                0
                Quote: LSA57
                God forbid the third, they will remain faithful striped allies?

                They will become dead, but until the very end they will believe that the United States will not allow this.
                Quote: LSA57
                Russia was a member of the coalition. have you heard of the Entente?

                I heard that participating in the war and defeating it are two different things. The Russian Empire entered the war, but did not live to see it.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  however, until the very end they will believe that the United States will not allow this.

                  what will not be allowed?
                  The Russian Empire entered the war, but did not survive to its end.

                  you once again drop the list of participants in the WWI? they are all invited
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 6 November 2018 13: 25
                    0
                    Quote: LSA57
                    what will not be allowed?

                    That they will become dead and the gesheft will end.
                    Quote: LSA57
                    you once again drop the list of participants in the WWI?

                    There, most of them are not countries at all, but colonies.
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      That they will become dead and the gesheft will end.

                      Yes, they all know and understand perfectly. just play until the cock in the anus pecks at the owner’s direction
                      There, most of them are not countries at all, but colonies.

                      what's the difference. We are about participation. invite all who participated
                2. Vinnibuh
                  Vinnibuh 6 November 2018 13: 26
                  +3
                  Here, in two ways, if not for the Russian troops, then the teutons of the paddles were crushed at a time. But ..., alas, lost many soldiers and the February coup. And away we go ... In the epilogue we seem to be out of business (
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 6 November 2018 13: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: Vinnibuh
                    Here, in two ways, if not for the Russian troops, then the teutons of the paddles were crushed at a time.

                    And the Americans couldn’t even stick their nose out of their island, and now look what world hegemon has inflated — it’s time to pierce.
                    1. Vinnibuh
                      Vinnibuh 6 November 2018 13: 32
                      0
                      100% agree
  5. astepanov
    astepanov 6 November 2018 11: 04
    +5
    So it is known that Bonjuria won in all wars, especially in the Second World War, defeating the Nazis without a hitch. At the same time, she paternally directed the Americans.
    I wonder if Mr. Macron suffers from a narcissistic complex?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 6 November 2018 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: astepanov

      So it’s known that Bonjuria won in all wars,

      If you look at things soberly, the First World War was won by England and France.
      1. taiga2018
        taiga2018 6 November 2018 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: Gray Brother
        England and France

        history certainly does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, but if Russia had not entered the war, they would have won a tomato ...
      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 6 November 2018 12: 10
        +3
        Everyone lost the First World War. It must be understood that all countries lost from the war. Just some less, and some more. hi
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 6 November 2018 12: 35
          0
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Everyone lost the First World War.

          Oh really? Germany and Russia were knocked out of the world arena for a long time, competitors were removed.
          To our king, St. Thank Nikolay Romanov, I must say for the will, unshakable and foresight, made him like a puppy.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 46
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            To our king, St. I must say thanks to Nikolai Romanov

            not the Bolsheviks? they left one war, but arranged another war, civil
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 6 November 2018 13: 15
              +1
              Quote: LSA57
              not the Bolsheviks?

              It is not the Bolsheviks who fought for the interests of countries that recently went to fight Crimea.
              It was not the Bolsheviks who purged the Russo-Japanese and did not draw any conclusions from this, either militarily or in terms of industrial development.
              This is our "God's anointed".
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 29
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                Quote: Gray Brother
                It is not the Bolsheviks who fought for the interests of countries that recently went to fight Crimea.

                well yes. Allied duty for the Bolsheviks is an empty phrase.
                It was not the Bolsheviks who purged the Russo-Japanese and did not draw any conclusions from this, either militarily or in terms of industrial development.

                show me a country that has not lost more than one war
                and conclusions were made. militarily, Russia was in very good condition. and do not forget that it was at one of the stages that the Russian army saved the allies from defeat.
                and then the Bolsheviks came and ruined the army
                Do not tell me who was there with the Germans fraternized?
                1. Vinnibuh
                  Vinnibuh 6 November 2018 14: 11
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                  I will prompt. Kerensky began and
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2018 14: 38
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                    Quote: Vinnibuh

                    I will prompt. Kerensky began and

                    you don't know your "theoretician" well
                    “The revolutionary actions during the war against his government undoubtedly undeniably mean not only the desire to defeat him, but also actually contribute to this defeat” (PSS, ed. 5th, v. 26, p. 286).

                    And here is one more thing: “The transformation of modern imperialist war into a civil war is the only correct proletarian slogan” (Lenin, “Manifesto of the Central Committee of the RSDLP on the imperialist war”, 1914).

                    well this
                    “The Bolsheviks did a great job against the military-industrial committees serving the war ... The Bolsheviks also did a great job in the army and navy. They explained to the masses of soldiers and sailors who were to blame for the unprecedented horrors of war and the suffering of the people ... The party at the front campaigned for fraternization between the soldiers of the warring armies, emphasizing that the enemy is the world bourgeoisie and that war can only be ended by turning the imperialist war into a civil war and directing weapons against its own bourgeoisie and its government. Increasingly repeated cases of failure of individual military units to go on the offensive. Such facts took place already in 1915 and especially in 1916 "(" History of the CPSU (b). Short Course ", 1938).
                2. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 6 November 2018 15: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: LSA57
                  . militarily, Russia was in very good condition.

                  The total lack of everything in the world is not a good condition.
                  Quote: LSA57
                  well yes. Allied duty for the Bolsheviks is an empty phrase.

                  Union with enemies is stupid.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 6 November 2018 15: 38
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                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    The total lack of everything in the world is not a good condition.

                    where did you get this ??
                    Union with enemies is stupid.

                    I will repeat for "connoisseurs" of history
                    Antanta (fr. Entente - agreement) - military-political bloc of Russia, Great Britain and France, created as a counterweight to the Triple Alliance (A-Entente - Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy)

                    so who is the enemy and who is the ally?
              2. astepanov
                astepanov 6 November 2018 15: 20
                -1
                I will add: the Bolsheviks are also a product of the tsar-father, his reactionary domestic policy and refusal to carry out reforms in the state. So I got what I deserved.
      3. Seld
        Seld 6 November 2018 14: 13
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        And yet the United States. Almost .... FOR THE FIRST TIME.
        The turning point in the war began precisely after the United States was able to transfer reserves to Europe through the British fleet. Before that, everything was deplorable.
    2. Tutejszy
      Tutejszy 6 November 2018 16: 19
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      Quote: astepanov
      Bonguria won all wars, especially in the Second World War, defeating the Nazis

      "What, these clowns also defeated us?" (Yodel during the signing of the surrender)
  6. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 6 November 2018 11: 06
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    We must take note and for serious conversations choose other capitals.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 6 November 2018 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      We must take note and for serious conversations choose other capitals.

      I think our foreign ministry has drawn its conclusions. Unless, of course, this information is not stuffing. I think Chancellor Kurtz with his territory would be a worthy alternative to the Champs Elysees.
  7. Hto tama
    Hto tama 6 November 2018 11: 12
    +2
    It is not clear why our guarantor goes there at all, well, the 100th anniversary of the end of the 1st World War and what? Nobody came to visit us on the 75th anniversary of the end of the 2nd World War, what should we do there? am
    1. thinker
      thinker 6 November 2018 12: 06
      +1
      Firstly, the 70th anniversary, and secondly, the Great Patriotic War. And 75 years, today the liberation of Kiev, by the way.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 14
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        Quote: thinker
        And 75 years, today the liberation of Kiev, by the way.

        Congratulations to all members of the forum. love drinks adequate of course
      2. Hto tama
        Hto tama 6 November 2018 12: 23
        +1
        I admit, miscalculated
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 6 November 2018 12: 13
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      Quote: Hto tama
      Nobody came to visit us on the 75th anniversary of the end of the 2nd World War, what should we do there?

      yeah. it looks like the story you taught in new textbooks
      1. Hto tama
        Hto tama 6 November 2018 12: 55
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        I taught history in the USSR, I think the standards of textbooks were the same for everyone, I admit I was mistaken with the date, but it was expressed incorrectly, not World War I, but the Second World War. And the rest, I expressed my point of view.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 01
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          Quote: Hto tama
          I admit I was mistaken with the date

          I gave you a plus for this
          You do not often find this, admitting that you are wrong smile
          1. Hto tama
            Hto tama 6 November 2018 13: 13
            +2
            Thank you smile, I was taught to be able to admit my mistakes
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 6 November 2018 13: 30
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              Quote: Hto tama
              I was taught to be able to admit my mistakes

              everyone was taught, but not everyone learned
  8. sergei ivakih64
    sergei ivakih64 6 November 2018 11: 12
    +1
    and what did the United States do in Russia?
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 6 November 2018 12: 13
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      It was the Entente. And this is after the Pestilence. By the way, the Americans and other countries of the Entente still have not apologized for the then interference in the internal affairs of Russia. negative
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 6 November 2018 11: 15
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    Macron does not want, with its scale and significance, the negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump in Paris overshadowing the significance of the event,
    Some kind of nonsense. Macronchik doesn't want something! If the meeting does not take place, it is only due to Trump’s reluctance because of his own internal political movements. Macron wished to cancel the meeting .. ha ha ha ...
  10. anjey
    anjey 6 November 2018 11: 16
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    In memory of the WWI, such measures are needed to prevent TMV (World War 3) .... but here are all kinds of microns ...
  11. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 6 November 2018 11: 28
    +1
    Macron must fall into fluff, so that, in addition to Trump, he is cleaned by others, it is a sign of significance))
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 6 November 2018 11: 44
    +1
    I think Bolton has already received a response from our leadership on the most want ..... therefore, Trump has nothing more to say ....
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 6 November 2018 11: 47
    +1
    Now the question is, what is more important to trump before the elections - meeting with Putin or celebrating some kind of war there in Europe. As if the meeting between Trump and Putin did not take place on neutral territory, after which the macron will have to sprinkle its prepared wreath with ashes.
  14. askort154
    askort154 6 November 2018 11: 49
    +3
    Yeah. After de Gaulle, France abruptly went from hand to hand, more precisely, "little hands". yes
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 6 November 2018 12: 17
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      Just France was greatly diluted by migrants, and now it is perceived not as a strong nation, but as a rabble of marginals.
  15. BAI
    BAI 6 November 2018 11: 57
    +2
    Trump has already canceled pre-scheduled meetings twice. It’s time to draw any conclusions.
  16. Jerk
    Jerk 6 November 2018 11: 57
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    Before Macaron before the nuclear war, it was in Europe. It is he who specifically threatens the exit of the Russian Federation from the INF Treaty - You can’t cover the whole of Russia from France, but from Kaliningrad - with a flick of the wrist, France turns into a bay.
  17. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 6 November 2018 12: 06
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    Macron has an autumn exacerbation of psoriasis. It is embarrassing to look strewn with dandruff and give cause for ridicule.
  18. Vinnibuh
    Vinnibuh 6 November 2018 12: 35
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    Mdia, the custodians, they are still victorious) they have already won the second century) nude except for the Papuans, and those with a creak)
  19. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 6 November 2018 12: 44
    -1
    Somewhere, something did not grow together, and the hitch came out, and Macron was asked to perform a cultural curtsy.
  20. Seld
    Seld 6 November 2018 14: 21
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    It was the Entente. And this is after the Pestilence. By the way, the Americans and other countries of the Entente still have not apologized for the then interference in the internal affairs of Russia. negative


    Crazy?
    Google more thoroughly about ANTANTA and the time / reasons for its appearance. And you will be happy, "sofa bed" !!!!!!!!
    By the way, everything that happened after the "Peace of Compiegne" did not look so "Entente" anymore. The situation began to develop somewhat "differently", when the states of the winner began to "knock out" the grandmother, incl. and in terms of relations with the RSFSR.
    Again, read more, dig deeper.
  21. faterdom
    faterdom 6 November 2018 15: 48
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    I think if Trump would really want such a meeting - Macron would also want, even ahead of him. In the meantime, I think that, surprisingly, Emanuel is right - we, too, should not meet with Trump in his incomprehensible current half-functioning state that he is very necessary and important. What he will want from us is already known to us. The fact that we will not give him any of these Wishlist - also.
    When the fate of the United States is seriously pinned, it will be possible to start talking to them on the sly. In the meantime - to strengthen the air defense of Eurasia with the help of our systems, and to procure "Daggers" for the future with the "Vanguards". The more we do, the easier it will be to talk to the bandits.
  22. 1536
    1536 6 November 2018 16: 08
    +2
    What will happen in Paris this November? The Versailles peace treaty with Germany was signed on 28 on June 1919 (!) Of the year. On November 11 between Germany, England and France the so-called Compiegne truce was signed, which is considered the end date of the First World War. Who is considered? They stopped shooting. In Russia, as we recall, the Civil War was raging, and the foreign military intervention of the above states put our country on the brink of survival. Thank God they survived. Thus, there were neither Russians nor Americans in the Compiegne Forest. Question: why go where we were not, where they do not wait and do not like us? At least - this is stupid!
  23. Seld
    Seld 6 November 2018 16: 51
    +2
    Quote: 1536
    What will happen in Paris this November? The Versailles peace treaty with Germany was signed on 28 on June 1919 (!) Of the year. On November 11 between Germany, England and France the so-called Compiegne truce was signed, which is considered the end date of the First World War. Who is considered? They stopped shooting. In Russia, as we recall, the Civil War was raging, and the foreign military intervention of the above states put our country on the brink of survival. Thank God they survived. Thus, there were neither Russians nor Americans in the Compiegne Forest. Question: why go where we were not, where they do not wait and do not like us? At least - this is stupid!


    Yes Yes Yes Yes!
    Funny, isn't it? Germany signed the surrender .... in France! Rzhunimagu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Though with a beaten face and all in indemnities, Faterland didn’t let anyone into his territory.
  24. Naughty
    Naughty 6 November 2018 17: 06
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    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Thrall
    And I like Emmanuelle, and all the series

    Well, the last one with an old woman is somehow not very No.


    And what? cool positive old woman By the way, it seems to me she is an order of magnitude smarter than Macrosha
  25. Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 November 2018 20: 15
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    Vali on the switchman. Salabon is young, tolerates.
  26. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 6 November 2018 20: 32
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    "If Macron's claims of 'recommendation' are true, then Macron is clearly trying to take steps to ensure that he is the 'main' person at the expected Paris meeting during the November 11 events."
    He himself wanted to reign, all the volodya ?! Guilty of death! ©
  27. Five year old
    Five year old 6 November 2018 20: 57
    +1
    What is macron, what is Sarkozy .. Both are nosy and politics is the same ..
    France is afraid of the Arabs, they terribly threw them and poured blood!
    They will show them a lot, including Russia, too ..
  28. dolfi1
    dolfi1 6 November 2018 23: 32
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    This Macron is just a gray politician, neither fish nor meat.