Shortbone in the state-psychological context

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Your affairs are wonderful, Internet father! As soon as my article “Korotkostvol and Corruption” appeared in it, the references to Irina Yarovaya’s statement on 2015 that the fight against corruption, the slogans of this struggle, the mobilization of the masses for this fight could do great harm to the government and even destroy it! That year this lady was the chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security and the Fight against Corruption! But no matter how much I dig, I can’t find the earliest sayings of Spring on the Internet that she wants to see Russian society completely free from weapons. However, full information about its legislative initiatives and proposals put forward in full accordance with the above dream ...





Unlike hoplofobs, who like to tear out a single phrase from the common sense and, interpreting it at random, trying to crush-shout their opponents, I will act honestly ... Therefore, I mention that Irina Yarovaya said such an unfortunate phrase in the context Ukrainian events, where all the unrest began and goes under the slogans of the national struggle against corruption. But considering the current and current status of Mrs. Yarovoy, her undoubted affiliation with the highest management stratum of Russia, the benevolent attitude of this stratum to all the statements of this lady, the question arises logically: what kind of state is building this ruling stratum? This state (in the face of the current ruling stratum!) Is afraid that the fight against corruption, the legalization of private military companies, the introduction of laws allowing personal armed self-defense of citizens and appropriate civilian weapons will collapse it. In this state, for many years, huge budgetary money has been piling into all kinds of Skolkovo, but most of the best graduates of our universities, in any case, bison languages, so that they have the opportunity to fall behind the “knoll” on scientific or engineering work, and they come back rarely, singularly, reluctantly ... I could still list all these despondencies for a long time, but I will not, because my claims are no longer in this direction ...

Recently, a pair of leading TV channels stumbled upon discussions about the self-defense of citizens. I was glad that this topic not only does not let go, but attracts and excites more and more people. I looked, listened ... A young ardent public figure, a former State Duma deputy, a former world champion in some kind of fight, said he wanted to lift the ban on the civilian short-circuit, but only after the current alcoholization of the Russian population disappeared (!). He was immediately told that he would have to wait that way until the end of time, but in Lithuania and Estonia this alcoholism is no less, even more, and nothing, they live with their pistols. From myself I would add that, in my opinion, the policy of prohibitions gives people a sense of hopelessness, personal second-rate, and this to a large extent provokes the very alcoholism!

A couple of lawyers and lawyers spoke at these discussions. One advocated bringing up people so that they would have the habit of not going to places potentially dangerous in the sense of crime. The other, imposing man of a very prosperous type, thoroughly explained that self-control is the best “weapon” in dangerous situations, which will save him, first of all, from exceeding self-defense. For example, someone came up to you and, in the presence of your loved ones or other people, took and spat in your face, or simply slapped a slight slap in the face, and then went on. So you do not chase after him, you do not fight with him, you do not delay him, for all this according to our laws is unlawful excess, because physical harm is the easiest, and besides, you answer it after everything is over . The same is true in the case of rape; while you are being “used”, you can resist, but after - no, no, and you cannot kill either during rape or after, and then the attack is considered from your side, and no affect will serve as an excuse. After these explanations, this handsome gentleman quite seriously advised to try to endure any, even the greatest humiliation, in order not to have problems with our current laws in the future. And no emotions, no aversion towards such laws, did not slip through him, as if it should be forever and ever. By the way, in countries where common sense prevails in self-defense laws, if people cripple or kill criminals after the end of criminal assault, then this is legally regarded as a way to detain the offender, helping the law enforcement agencies to be morally and materially encouraged, especially if he is killed or crippled wanted criminal. In American law, there is the concept of "civil arrest": this is when citizens themselves detain a criminal and take him to the police, and now we have citizens, having detained and bringing the criminal to the police, they themselves run the risk of running into legal prosecution, there are now such legal "subtleties" .. So, how lucky it is, well, if the police chief issues a detention without problems for the detainees, but if he wants to poker on their bones, he has all the possibilities for this, and the possibilities are always a temptation!

Disgusting Why do we have to accept the fact that there will always be places where decent people would rather not show up, because they are not only forbidden to have a normal weapon of self-defense, but also a full-fledged self-defense? Why does our state, with its own laws and "law enforcement practices", still treat its citizens like an old landowner to serfs? After all, how was it then? Men will fight among themselves, someone will be finished in such a way that they shouldn’t stand on their feet, and the master in his villages - the king, the judge and the prosecutor - does not even think to figure out who the truth is. The vanquished may rest when they lie down, they will be whipping. And the winners are whipping right now, and then let them additionally plow in barshchina for the vanquished while they rest. It’s for a gentleman, not people, but talking subjects, working animals, which have no right to spoil each other’s owner to the detriment.

These and similar questions I and my associates have already asked many times and will still ask in our articles, these questions have long been turned into just a discussion tool, no more, for the answers to them are detailed and comprehensive, just have to be reminded and detailed. based on short-term needs. So I also intend to podtetalize now too ... Alas, I again have to repeat that, in my opinion, our country, unfortunately, is currently ruled by a weak human psychotype, prone to accepting and assimilating many of the postulates of the psychology of degeneration that dominates in the West. In the eyes of our ruling stratum, the still strong economic and financial strength of the leading countries of the collective West provides powerful moral support for this psychology, and this helps not to pay too much attention to those deadly ulcers that inevitably grow there, threatening complete death: the decline in the birth rate and the aging population, its moral and moral decay, the growth of psychopathic, organized and spontaneous crime, the constant decline in civil security, the influx of wild migrant hordes and talkative the helplessness of the state power before all this abomination. Western Europe, it seems, has almost fallen under this pressure, America is still trying to hold on, but with difficulty ... And at the endless marathon of all sorts of discussions, forums, round tables and talk shows, some kind of "European values" are endless as an indisputable, immutable and final achievement of the political and moral development of mankind. And all practical approaches and common sense sink in this universal boltology. But it has long been extremely clear what the mindlessly fanatical adherence to these “values” has in the example of the same Europe that once gave rise to and honed it leads to and leads to.

I will return, however, to our sheep. In criminological psychology there is such a thing - “victimization”. Victimity (from Lat. Victima, victim) - the propensity to become a victim of crime. The concept of victimization is widely used in the positivist, including Russian victimology.

In modern western victimology, the term is almost not used, and the assumption that the commission of a crime may depend on the behavior of the victim is subjected to sharp criticism as a charge of the victim. This "sharp criticism" was actually spawned by militant feminists, howling that the victim of rape could not be to blame in any case or under any circumstances. Even if she is drunk, she pinned herself in the company of anxious drunk teenagers or also drunk, lumberjacks who were hungry without sex, which all her protest cries can interpret only as a form of passionate play. Moreover, now the world is flourishing for a long time, and recently the whole business has grown especially on rape charges, and the so-called “victims” have made a fortune, robbing or “threatened” by their “offenders”.

So I think that our current legislation, together with established judicial practice in self-defense cases (and this practice has not been able to change any explanations and resolutions of the Supreme Court for decades!), Our people and society are victimizing! Simply put, they are turned into a herd of frightened and submissive sheep, which any predators can easily “have”, even from the criminal world, even from among the corrupt bureaucracy. As a result, there appear all those who call for "iron submissiveness" for any humiliations, bringing up generations of slaves who consider their servility to be the only normal state of soul and consciousness.

Of course, not everyone lends itself to this kind of "education", especially people of the natural-strong psycho-type, first of all, born warriors and leaders. But if weaklings, defeatists and degenerates dominate among the people, society and the state, then this can not but affect strong natures. Such an impact corrupts them! The temptation is too great ... There is no real competition, among the weaklings, one can not follow the moral standards and the rules of honor too much, because they are not primarily followed by the weaklings themselves because of their inability, and they also strongly justify this inability. So there seems to be nothing to be ashamed of ... Some of the people of a strong psychotype are going astray: the educated and ambitious are built into the existing state and economic environment, becoming major officials or "authoritative entrepreneurs" close to the top of state power, and those that are simpler go to crime, becoming the leaders of the underworld. After all, it was not for nothing that so many excellent warriors who passed through Afghan and Chechnya became gangsters, their sense of justice was shaken and corrupted by the domination of a weak psychotype on a social-state and cultural scale, and they found the law-abiding existence in such an atmosphere not only senseless and hopeless. but also offensively humiliating. It was not for nothing that a well-known slogan appeared and often repeats itself on various occasions: we are not like that, life is like that ...

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    7 November 2018 05: 40
    Today I read that we again had teenage gangs ... We will go for bread in a crowd or hire the same gangs for protection ...
    1. -6
      7 November 2018 05: 44
      Shortbone in the state-psychological context
      .... "old songs about the main thing" part is next ...
      1. +34
        7 November 2018 06: 18
        ... By the way, in countries where self-defense laws dominate common senseif people after the end of a criminal assault against them cripple or kill criminals, then this is legally regarded as a way of detaining a criminal, help to law enforcement agencies, is encouraged in every way morally and financially, especially if the wanted criminal is killed or crippled.

        I’ll add on my own that it would be worthwhile to thoroughly fix in law the concept of what Should not It is a crime to neutralize robbery, robbery or other encroachment threatening the life and health of citizens. The proof of the fact of the encroachment automatically makes it legitimate to neutralize the offender, in any way. At the same time, a citizen is not obliged to understand the intentions of the criminal and protect his life and health.
        This is about the topic of common sense ... and the current legislation, which is mentioned in the article.
        1. -14
          7 November 2018 06: 21
          Quote: Pax tecum
          I’ll add on my own that it would be worthwhile to thoroughly enshrine in law the notion that it should NOT be a crime to neutralize robbery, robbery or other encroachment that threatens the life and health of citizens. The proof of the fact of the encroachment automatically makes it legitimate to neutralize the offender, in any way. At the same time, a citizen is not obliged to understand the intentions of the criminal and protect his life and health.

          that is, the "American scheme"? anyone who stepped unauthorized on your "sq / m" - you can "blame", and you will be right?
          1. +31
            7 November 2018 07: 18
            Are you alternative minded, or what?
            And if you carefully read the comment?
            "neutralization of robbery, robbery or other encroachment threatening the life and health of citizens"
            Where is it about square meters?
            Where are the words about the "American scheme"? Yes, and you have a superficial understanding of this scheme, there in each state it is different.
            And why do you dislike the principle "my home is my castle"? Justify.

            PS Some would just blurt out without thinking.
            1. -9
              7 November 2018 07: 20
              Quote: Pax tecum

              Are you alternative minded, or what?

              but without this, no way?
              1. +15
                7 November 2018 07: 26
                Well, why do you pervert my comment and come up with for yourself and draw conclusions?
                1. +9
                  7 November 2018 07: 29
                  But, for the sharpness, I'm sorry.
          2. 0
            7 November 2018 18: 20
            Yes. Climb to me and I will not climb to you. If you do not call yourself.
            1. +1
              7 November 2018 18: 22
              I want it too. Why not if you can?
          3. +2
            7 November 2018 22: 17
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            that is, the "American scheme"? anyone who stepped unauthorized on your "sq / m" - you can "blame", and you will be right?

            Why? In the US, exactly?
            I think it's not that simple. In words, you can bring any idea to the point of absurdity. I doubt that the United States will acquit the murderer of lost adolescents, even on their own land. But if a teenage gang starts to mess with, and the owner of the land shoots them, then no "onizdeti" will give a ride.
        2. +6
          7 November 2018 07: 40
          This is an emergency. Personally, I carry a gun for this
          1. +5
            7 November 2018 09: 20
            I absolutely agree! I do the same!
          2. -12
            7 November 2018 11: 42
            Do not forget to cut the front sight on a pistol :) We pay taxes, which also go to finance the police. Ensuring order in the country is the task of state structures, and not ordinary citizens.
            1. +8
              7 November 2018 12: 36
              Well, again.
              By the number of power agents such as the police per 100 thousand people, we ARE ahead of almost everyone, at times. From the same USA - at least 2-2.5 times.
              But in terms of the number of serious crimes per 100 thousand population, mv is also AHEAD at times. From the same USA and Europe.
              It is a fact. The number of police, wild expenses (ours, by the way) for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosguard, and all sorts of special forces, for some reason, are not guarding - they do not make our society safer.
              Statistics are easy to find both on the official websites of the government, for crime - on the UN website.

              This does not concern the army. Servants are now as powerless in civilian life as ordinary people.
              And this is a fact.
              There is nothing to argue about.
            2. +3
              7 November 2018 22: 19
              Quote: 3315061
              Do not forget to cut the front sight on a pistol :) We pay taxes, which also go to finance the police. Ensuring order in the country is the task of state structures, and not ordinary citizens.


              In the zone or in a concentration camp, you probably would feel at maximum security. There are so many guards ...
            3. +5
              9 November 2018 21: 38
              The task of ordinary citizens is to protect their own life. And your notorious state bodies are far from always able to protect it. A simple example is the shooting in Kerch, where were the state bodies at that time? And what does Mr Putin do after that? a former bodyguard to tighten the law on weapons. For those who do not know, he is already the toughest in the world.
              1. +2
                11 November 2018 06: 25
                You are absolutely right. He is one of the toughest in the world.
            4. +1
              11 November 2018 06: 17
              Citizens are part of the state, representatives of the law, including armed ones, are also its integral part. The state has a greater obligation to protect against external threats. This is a huge load. And you can make sure that your neighbor from the nearest house, a former convict in tattoos to the heels, does not mutilate your life, you yourself can send him to the other world if he wanted to. And that’s all, he won’t kill anyone or rape anyone, don’t rob his grandmother’s grave money ... It’s cruel .... And you go to the nearest police station and look at the photos from the scene of such crimes ... Mad dogs must be shot before irreparable happened.
        3. -3
          7 November 2018 10: 52
          Quote: Pax tecum
          I’ll add on my own that it would be worthwhile to thoroughly enshrine in law the notion that it should NOT be a crime to neutralize robbery, robbery or other encroachment that threatens the life and health of citizens.

          Criminal Code Article 37. Necessary defense
          (in the edition of the Federal Law from 14.03.2002 N 29-FZ)
          (see the text in the previous "edition")

          ""1. It is not a crime to cause harm to an encroaching person in a state of necessary defense, that is, while protecting the personality and rights of the defender or other persons, the interests of society or the state protected by law from socially dangerous encroachment, if this encroachment was associated with violence dangerous to the life of the defender or another person or with the imminent threat of such violence.
          "" 2. Protection against encroachment, not associated with violence, dangerous to the life of the defender or another person, or with an imminent threat of the use of such violence, is legitimate if the limits of necessary defense were not exceeded, that is, deliberate actions that clearly do not correspond to the nature and danger encroachments.
          "" 2.1. The actions of the defender are not exceeding the limits of necessary defense if this person, due to the unexpectedness of the encroachment, could not objectively assess the degree and nature of the danger of the attack.
          (part two. 1 is introduced by the Federal Law of 08.12.2003 N 162-ФЗ)
          3. The provisions of this article are equally applicable to all persons, regardless of their professional or other special training and official position, as well as regardless of the possibility to avoid socially dangerous encroachment or to seek help from other persons or authorities.
          (part three as amended by the Federal Law from 27.07.2006 N 153-FZ)
          http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_10699/77b14e07f04f185ae49db939c7d69b30b92f7715/
          So what else do you want?
          1. +14
            7 November 2018 11: 57
            Quote: Captain45
            So what else do you want?

            Normal enforcement of this article. The phrase "it was not allowed to exceed the limits of necessary defense" by our law enforcement officers is interpreted very, very freely.
            1. +4
              7 November 2018 19: 30
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Normal enforcement of this article. The phrase "it was not allowed to exceed the limits of necessary defense" by our law enforcement officers is interpreted very, very freely.

              But in this I completely agree with you. Often the law is applied in court, depending on the understanding of the law directly by the judge, and sometimes depends on the thickness of the package.
          2. +15
            7 November 2018 13: 38
            The law does not apply. The court first of all considers whether I caused a criminal harm to my health. And the fact that I defended myself and defended someone in court is not considered.
        4. +9
          7 November 2018 11: 56
          Quote: Pax tecum
          The proof of the fact of the encroachment automatically makes it legitimate to neutralize the offender, in any way. At the same time, a citizen is not obliged to understand the intentions of the criminal and protect his life and health.

          Gold words! A person who encroaches on life, the health of another person automatically puts himself outlawed.
        5. +2
          7 November 2018 20: 42
          Tough, but it won’t be so - the attacker fought for a long time and stubbornly against the victim's shoes.
      2. +7
        7 November 2018 06: 43
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        ... the "old songs about the main thing" part is next ...


        I am for the permission of the short barrel.

        But - article is a rpdi article!
        1. -8
          7 November 2018 18: 01
          And I am for the prohibition of even injuries. Even from them how much in vain they kill people. And what about the short-bore?
          1. +8
            7 November 2018 19: 49
            Quote: icant007
            And I am for the prohibition of even injuries. Even from them how much in vain they kill people. And what about the short-bore?

            Kill with a kitchen knife more often, are you against kitchen knives?
            1. -2
              9 November 2018 07: 07
              A reference to kitchen knives is a typical demagogy. Injuries are often bought by conflicting people, and at the slightest opportunity to show their rotten gut, they use it. Therefore, there are so many ridiculous deaths from trauma. A kitchen knife is a drunken weapon during a feast.
              1. +1
                13 November 2018 01: 14
                Quote: icant007
                Therefore, there are so many ridiculous deaths from trauma.

                On average, 5 people per year ... give or take. Will we compare it with "everyday" or will we indiscriminately accuse all supporters of the right to civilian weapons of demagoguery?
                1. -1
                  13 November 2018 11: 46
                  5 people for a trauma from which you should not die is a lot. People don't really understand what they are holding. I witnessed how one guy in the gun shop looked closely at the injury and asked the seller "Why should they really fill up a person?" That's what ... is he asking this question?
                  Trauma has become a real weapon of conflict and spontaneous street squabbles, and not a means of self-defense. The driver did not like the road worker, he got out of the car "Bang, bang" and the problem is settled. The person is killed or injured, and the culprit is in prison.
                  I strongly doubt that having a gun will deter an inadequate owner from using it.
                  I myself am a lover of weapons, subject to free circulation, I probably would have bought a gun too. But you must always remember the fools ...
                  1. +1
                    13 November 2018 21: 17
                    Not the injury was the cause, but the lack of gray matter in the head.
                    1. -1
                      15 November 2018 10: 36
                      Well, yes, only if he did not have an injury, he would hardly have climbed into the conflict.
      3. -13
        7 November 2018 11: 09
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Shortbone in the state-psychological context
        .... "old songs about the main thing" part is next ...


        We had a judge in the regional court, so she always regretted and softened the regime, the term, etc. to thieves from country houses and sites. No beliefs acted on her for a long time, the victims and their opinions were ignored, right up to the moment her country house was surrounded. The other person has become, a sample of justice!
        Everything will end (writing such articles about a shortbridge), when the author (or his relatives) is shot in the leg from the legal trunk (God forbid, at best), the opinion will change immediately. Lynching still did not bring anyone to good. The state has taken on such a duty, so let it improve the law-enforcement and judicial systems!
        1. -8
          7 November 2018 11: 20
          Golden words!
        2. +6
          7 November 2018 11: 40
          Quote: neri73-r
          We had a judge in the regional court, so she always felt sorry and softened the regime, term, etc. thieves from country houses and plots.

          In 90's, in a neighboring town, the cap was removed from the prosecutor. None of the crooks left for a subscription laughing
        3. +8
          7 November 2018 12: 39
          Sure sure.
          Obligation in education, medical care, pension provision. What are the interesting and necessary responsibilities of the state.
          So what?
          Education, medicine, pensions - you all know where we are.
          1. -12
            7 November 2018 12: 44
            Quote: f4b2
            Sure sure.
            Obligation in education, medical care, pension provision. What are the interesting and necessary responsibilities of the state.
            So what?
            Education, medicine, pensions - you all know where we are.

            Yeah, let's introduce more lynching!

            Well, and education, medicine, pensions, this is our state with you, so you need to change it. They were able to break the union, which means that this system can also be reversed or turned to face people.
            1. +5
              7 November 2018 13: 09
              So the author is about the same!
              It's time to change. Change self-awareness.
              And stop you already throwing cheap cliches like "Ay, lynching will be", it's a shame.
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 15: 13
                Quote: f4b2
                It's time to change. Change self-awareness.

                No need to replace concepts! It’s only fools who believe that they will allow the short-barrel and that our country will have happiness! stop
        4. +5
          7 November 2018 13: 58
          The state did not take, but impudently appropriated, by the way, with the builders of a brighter future, depriving people of the legal right to self-defense, which for centuries has been preserved among some peoples!
        5. +2
          7 November 2018 22: 23
          Quote: neri73-r
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Shortbone in the state-psychological context
          .... "old songs about the main thing" part is next ...


          We had a judge in the regional court, so she always regretted and softened the regime, the term, etc. to thieves from country houses and sites. No beliefs acted on her for a long time, the victims and their opinions were ignored, right up to the moment her country house was surrounded. The other person has become, a sample of justice!
          Everything will end (writing such articles about a shortbridge), when the author (or his relatives) is shot in the leg from the legal trunk (God forbid, at best), the opinion will change immediately. Lynching still did not bring anyone to good. The state has taken on such a duty, so let it improve the law-enforcement and judicial systems!


          It turns out that by analogy, in order to be strictly tried for rape and murder, all judges must be ousted and killed?
          1. -8
            7 November 2018 22: 29
            Quote: AVM
            It turns out, by analogy ...

            There, IMHO, another thought, and I support it:

            Quote: neri73-r
            Everything will end (writing such articles about the short-barrel), when the author (or his relatives) is shot in the leg from a legal trunk (at best, God forbid), the opinion will change immediately

            The author really already got it with his short-handedness.
          2. -1
            8 November 2018 23: 31
            On the whole, yes, that sounds albeit absurd. For that it brings it very close to reality
    2. +3
      7 November 2018 07: 37
      Quote: Vard
      Today I read that we again had teenage gangs ... We will go for bread in a crowd or hire the same gangs for protection ...

      Where did they disappear or what?
    3. -7
      7 November 2018 08: 13
      I have not met with gangs, apparently in the regions this phenomenon is not everywhere.
      Shortly, I strongly oppose its legalization. I am for the expansion of the possibility of self-defense, in the part of the law, which prescribes a SIZE-back resistance to encroachment on life and health. I believe that the resistance should not be proportionate, but guaranteeing the cessation of unlawful actions. And for self-defense there is a trauma that solves all the tasks of self-defense that the combat barrel solves, but is deprived of its main drawback - the slaughter of a bullet at a great distance.
      1. +6
        7 November 2018 09: 36
        However, you do not understand that injury does not guarantee 100% protection if you do not shoot at vital places from a short distance!
        For example, I will give a situation when my acquaintance "thundered" to places not so distant, for allegedly exceeding self-defense, when he fought off a drunken bully armed with a stick, 15 years younger, 15 cm higher, and 20 kg. harder, just because that bully died from a stroke right during a fight! Trauma in this situation would hardly help, in principle! And from the short-barreled one could shoot the attacker one of the limbs, and everything would have ended there!
        1. -6
          7 November 2018 10: 09
          There are two factors in the use of weapons: 1 psychological, the type of weapon (many injuries are not outwardly distinguishable from military ones) the ardor of the vast majority of bogeys will cool. 2 action - trauma for short (up to 5-10 meters) the bone will break, if it does not break, pain is provided to hooligans. To shoot a knee, it certainly is possible, but if you didn’t hit? And the thing is at the tavern, where there are a lot of people ... who will the bullet fly into? From La Traviata will also fly, but the action is not comparable ...
          1. +4
            7 November 2018 10: 54
            In principle, a significant number of injuries look like real ones, and something doesn’t work for fear. Just the so-called bully knows in advance that the use of trauma is not so scary, and this may not stop him. Watch online videos of experiments where injuries are experienced. But the knowledge that something more serious may have arrived will make you think ... Why did you think that a shot from an injury breaks a bone? It can hurt a lot, but not break, if only specifically to aim in the eye, then there will already be an excess ...
            Sib ataman probably implied a shot limb, like a defeat of the soft parts, but not a shot knee, how cruel you are, but also against weapons ...)))
            1. -3
              7 November 2018 11: 59
              Quote: Letnab
              What makes you think that a shot from an injury breaks a bone?

              From the fact that he shot from a wasp, which from 7-8 meters pierces a 19 liter plastic bottle right through, not 100%, but the rib will break with a high probability. In addition, my general acquaintance was killed from an injury, in the head, from 2-3 meters, but this is all a matter of chance and particular. After all, the goal is not to kill him, but to stop him. Why shoot at 10 meters? From this distance you need to retreat, to get away from the conflict, if the distance has already been reduced to 2-3 meters, then the injury will solve, but it will hardly be needed, because the type of weapon will stop the bull, I know from personal experience, the trunk even acts sobering on the vast majority of bulls.
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 16: 50
                Sheepskin coat will not break. There will be an unpleasant bruise ... and that’s it.
                1. -3
                  7 November 2018 20: 30
                  Quote: Comrade Nikanor
                  Sheepskin coat will not break. There will be an unpleasant bruise ... and that’s it.

                  And you don’t need to punch, the blow is comparable to a blow with a hammer, it is enough in 99% of cases, but it is safer for casual passers-by ...
            2. +2
              7 November 2018 18: 05
              The deepest illusion that trauma is conditionally "safe". You scroll through the news for the last 5 years, you will see how many people were killed.
          2. +7
            7 November 2018 11: 13
            When everyone knows that besides trauma there is no other weapon of self-defense, then this does not scare the bogeys much!
            As for the 100% guarantee, I relied on the experience of my friend, who shot in the chest from the "Wasp", also an aggressive bully, and did not cause him any harm, but refused further aggression, apparently allowing the possibility of a shot at a more vulnerable place ! 5 meters for trauma is the real limit of his capabilities (this is for the Wasp-Guard), 3 meters for all other rubber bullets in the summer. In the autumn-winter season, in the presence of warm outerwear, the distance is reduced by half! Search and watch videos on YouTube, which are full!
            In a crowded place, trauma is not an assistant or a defender at all, but a provocateur is better not to get it!
            1. -3
              7 November 2018 11: 27
              ... some do not stop the bullet, well now from an artillery gun or high-explosive fragmentation?
        2. +1
          7 November 2018 11: 00
          Quote: sib.ataman
          my acquaintance "thundered" to places not so distant, for allegedly exceeding self-defense, when he fought off a drunken bull, armed with a stick, 15 years younger, 15 cm higher, and 20 kg. harder, just because that bully died from a stroke right during a fight!

          And what article is your acquaintance convicted of? If the victim suffered a stroke as a result of a blow from your acquaintance, then there is a direct causal link - the onset of death from the blow and your acquaintance is most likely convicted of causing death by negligence - 2 of the colony settlement. If the victim died of a stroke as a result of a sharp increase in pressure as a result of his physical movements and emotional stress, then this court has not delved into the intricacies of the case, and the lawyer has tackled the topic.
          1. +5
            7 November 2018 13: 33
            Examination did not reveal any damage leading to death! But revealed a strong intoxication and deterioration (apparently from frequent libations) of the body! Neither the scouts nor the court took anything into account at all! According to the article, murder by negligence, but they charged him intentionally, they got 4,5! The honored veteran of the armed forces at the age of 61, who had a full set of weapons in his house, including rifled ones! And the snotty, curious tracker generally rolled out, but did he try to flee! This is an officer tanker, who served half the army intelligence service! If my friend always did, then this pimple would have remained a drop in some places!
            1. -7
              7 November 2018 13: 55
              Where did the trace and the court come from? Rolled in? Honored Veteran ... we still have all the innocents sitting, let's remember more!
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                1. -7
                  7 November 2018 14: 16
                  By themselves, people are not judged, if you yourself are tearing yourself for the treasured, do not enter others. If I understood what you were being commanded, there would be a conversation, but I don’t see the point.
        3. -4
          7 November 2018 11: 23
          ... and a bull would die of blood loss from a hurt artery ...
        4. -1
          7 November 2018 12: 01
          For example, I will give a situation when my acquaintance "thundered" to places not so distant, for allegedly exceeding self-defense, when he fought off a drunken bully armed with a stick, 15 years younger, 15 cm higher, and 20 kg. harder, just because that bully died from a stroke right during a fight!

          And why did he "thunder" if he died from a heart attack? Something you do not finish, was there a mutual fight, who is the initiator, the article ????
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 13: 35
            I did not write a heart attack, but wrote a stroke, which is not the same thing!
            1. -3
              7 November 2018 15: 18
              What is the difference between a heart attack or a stroke, death didn’t come from the actions of your friend and bear responsibility, respectively, he will not be for this death! Maximum bodily or hooligan, but this is completely different and does not apply to self-defense. In short, a fictional story or its distorted version tailored to the theme of a short barrel. hi
        5. +4
          7 November 2018 13: 43
          I was attacked - two with bats. Shot in the air. Both ran away, one even threw a bat. Would not have shot or killed or cuckoo cocks. I would lay drooling now.
      2. +2
        8 November 2018 08: 24
        Quote: raw174

        Shortly, I strongly oppose its legalization. I am for the expansion of the possibility of self-defense, in the part of the law, which prescribes a SIZE-back resistance to encroachment on life and health. I believe that the resistance should not be proportionate, but guaranteeing the cessation of unlawful actions. And for self-defense there is a trauma that solves all the tasks of self-defense that the combat barrel solves, but is deprived of its main drawback - the slaughter of a bullet at a great distance.


        Will not solve. Trauma - the weapon of professionals. She has too unpredictable action on the goal. 1 cm to the right - a bruise and everything, 1 cm to the left - the vessel is touched - death - excess. Yes, and track it more difficult.

        Cut rifle is the most effective weapon of a law-abiding citizen.
      3. +1
        11 November 2018 06: 31
        You can get out of an eye injury or kill by shooting in the chest. These are his characteristics. In addition, the etl gives a person the imaginary safety of this weapon. It is necessary to limit it.
    4. +1
      12 November 2018 14: 58
      Quote: Vard
      Today I read that we again got teenage gangs

      The worse the situation in the country, the more such gangs. The example of Brazil, France and South Africa is well known.
  2. -3
    7 November 2018 05: 44
    In the next article, the author will touch on the basics of psychoanalysis? Walk on Adler and Jung with evidence in favor of the short barrel? You are not tired of insulting people? And then they can walk by your last name.
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  3. +18
    7 November 2018 05: 59
    I agree with every word! And yet - under normal laws on self-defense and protection of yourself and your property, do you think that Luzhok could throw South Butovo into the cold simply because he so wanted, calling it rednecks on his face? I would see who sits behind the leverage of a bulldozer to demolish a fence in a house where a grandfather with a gun sits on a blockage, and he has the right to protect his land ...
    Or the huts in Rostov-on-Don before the World Cup would burn for a long time, while the police couldn’t stop the black realtors ...
    The salvation of drowning - whose business?
    And the panic that they will shoot everyone, I repeat, the author mentioned the Baltic states, but there is a closer look, the Moldavians - in general, the same mentality in Russia, absolutely the same scoops with all the pros and cons, perhaps more nutty, and they drink as if not more. So how, shot each other? And you look at the statistics when the trunks are allowed, and how crime rates have changed. The hard ones for a couple of years have almost disappeared - it’s a troublesome thing when the criminal does not know, but will he get now for such a barrel in the face and a bullet in his mouth?
    1. -15
      7 November 2018 06: 05
      About Kerch not forgotten? And this was a legal trunk, the future victims of the shortbore, write off as a given? No casualties?
      1. +14
        7 November 2018 07: 56
        Let me remind you about Kerch, that there was a bomb there, the turnover and manufacture of IEDs in our country is STRICTLY prohibited, and how did the bans help? If only to ban, and there grass does not grow - what happened in Kerch is a consequence of flaws in MEDICINE, and not some prohibitions, there was a sick stsukin’s son ... Even if he had an ax - there was 1 adult man in the whole school, the most stifled the nerd could crumble with the same ax, as it were, and not be more girls.
        1. -14
          7 November 2018 08: 00
          There were no guns and shooting at all? Photos and videos crap?
          Permission to purchase a gun was not issued?
        2. -13
          7 November 2018 08: 29
          You did not answer, the gun was? Was permission granted? Was shooting from him?
          1. +4
            7 November 2018 09: 41
            Why should you answer? You do not want to read or think.
            1. -9
              7 November 2018 09: 51
              But in fact, there is something to say? Read statistics on accidents with at least the same pneumatics and injuries when storage rules are not followed and children suffer. And how I abide by the rules of application I tried on my own skin more than once, and what injuries are more powerful my ribs know by hearsay.
          2. +9
            7 November 2018 09: 42
            So what? A car is many times more dangerous, the question is about local delivery standards, and not about possession of weapons in principle, which the state is panically afraid of! How many accidents occurred today? Rights have been granted? Cars killed people? All forbid to hell!
            1. -4
              7 November 2018 12: 04
              Quote: Jerk
              A car is much more dangerous

              With auto comparison is not correct, because it’s a means of transportation, and a weapon is created for killing, this is its main task.
              1. +6
                7 November 2018 12: 45
                But no. The weapon is a universal tool.
                Defense with weapons in the states, by the way, in 60 cases, in my opinion, is simply a DEMONSTRATION of weapons.
                According to the protocol there - showed weapons - is already application.
                But very few cases reach shooting even in the air.
                So that.
                1. -2
                  7 November 2018 16: 29
                  Quote: f4b2
                  The weapon is a universal tool.

                  It could be universal if, in addition to killing, it could revitalize or brew coffee, but was created specifically for killing. Yes, you can chop nuts with a gun, but not for that ...
                  1. +1
                    9 November 2018 19: 53
                    "... but created specifically for murder ..." (c) - it is in this YOUR delusion that the main contradiction consists - a weapon of self-defense, have you heard such a term? it is for protection, ie it turns out that it can not only kill, but also protect ...
          3. +5
            7 November 2018 09: 47
            And they answered you, flaws in medicine! But Kerch, just clearly and clearly showed that there is nothing to protect the unarmed population from a maniac or psychopath!
            1. -7
              7 November 2018 09: 56
              Does the grandmother watchman with a gun protect? How many injured people can use it correctly?
            2. -6
              7 November 2018 10: 30
              And with the short-barrel, the medicine will not cut too? Will he not give permission to the same psychopath or will it be another psychopath?
      2. +2
        8 November 2018 08: 28
        Quote: Evil543
        About Kerch not forgotten? And this was a legal trunk, the future victims of the shortbore, write off as a given? No casualties?


        And if he cut all the knife? Have you heard about such cases? They are full in countries where weapons are prohibited - China, Japan. The problem of the incident in Kerch was that there was no one with a weapon to stop him.
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  4. -9
    7 November 2018 06: 05
    And what prevents you from defending yourself, for example, with the Slovak pistol (rubber arrow) T-12? Is there enough energy and bullet to stop and injure anyone? This is on the street. Houses are shotguns.
    Apparently, the author wanted a real gun, so it begins about the strong, weak, leaders, wars. Kindergarten.
    Children need to be raised in love, and there will be no one in their thoughts to take up arms in order to harm another unnecessarily.
    P.S. Well, allowed guns and what will be safer? We will be ready for domestic conflicts with firearms, with dead, wounded somewhere near restaurants and night clubs.
    Do not make possession of a weak gun strong, the author.
    1. -4
      7 November 2018 06: 10
      And they didn’t shoot him from the trauma yet laughing
    2. +12
      7 November 2018 08: 06
      Well, you yourself answered. There are injuries, pistols are for some reason prohibited, and what is more dangerous is another question. Remember Manezh in 2010? And all because of the murder precisely from the injury of Yegor Sviridov in Moscow. They do not realize that injury is dangerous, because they are also worse than a pistol. Well, where is the logic lost?
      1. -3
        7 November 2018 08: 21
        The murder in the office corrupted, the shooting in the school of Otradny. In shooting clubs where the instructor was nearby: the son of a cart killed the father, Izmailovka the instructor was shot dead.
        1. +9
          7 November 2018 09: 35
          In the rifle - the jamb of the permitting organization - there is no guard (ment at the entrance), and the jamb of the instructor is obliged to stand out of sight of the shooter, mainly because of not to distract, but the second topic is precisely to make it difficult to use weapons on it. By the way, here again there is a case with a jamb of medicine - you know that suicides, if they were perplexed - are sent to fool? and there was suicide - again a jamb of medicine.
          And in general, all of the above you have in common is ONE DARK - all this happens under absolutely draconian laws, and THEY DO NOT WORK!!! And so the nuts were tightened, but THEY DO NOT WORK !!! Logic, then what - to tighten even more ?!
          I give an example - a kid went to school in Kerch with a barrel and without straining shot because BECAUSE EXACTLY KNEW - NO ONE WILL HARM IT. BARROW ONLY AT HIM.
          That's all...
          And yes, I’m throwing such examples about table knives to you with a shaft ... There, a student killed a teacher in a couch, he also sent a selfie - all knives must be banned! Get ready to break the sausage with your hands ...
          1. -3
            7 November 2018 10: 01
            The instructor is next to the shooter to prevent an accident or suicide

            Where are you shooting?
        2. +3
          7 November 2018 09: 54
          And no one has allowed the short-barrels yet, and maniacs have been courageous for centuries, without fear, and they are courageous! And realizing the danger of real self-defense, would they be just as zealous, or would they beware of their skin?
          1. -3
            7 November 2018 14: 49
            Maniacs are sick people, they don’t pretend ... their way of thinking and perceiving reality is often fundamentally different from an ordinary person, but you have already mixed everything - both sick and healthy, and defense and attack, and the state and criminals, with such porridge in my head and even with weapons, I worry about those people who surround you. You are a danger, and for your loved ones.
    3. 0
      7 November 2018 11: 26
      Quote: FRoman1984
      And what prevents to defend themselves, for example, with a Slovak pistol (rubber-arrow) T-12? Bullet energy enough to stop and injure anyone?

      Knowledge is in the way. A simple person may not know, and a scorched bandit knows that injury is not more dangerous than a good slingshot. Try to get it in the eye, and somewhere in the case, and if you still have a bruise in the autumn and winter jacket. Oh and injury!
      So they scorch indiscriminately and without reason, because trauma in the subconscious is no worse than a slingshot. Yes, and punishment, if anything, frivolous.

      Quote: FRoman1984
      P.S. Well, allowed guns and what will be safer? We will be ready for domestic conflicts with firearms, with dead, wounded somewhere near restaurants and night clubs.

      Yes, it will be safer. Not immediately, but it will be.

      When the criminal knows that the victim is one hundred percent without weapons, he is not afraid to rob, rape, kill - he has a weapon, but the victim does not. But if the offender knows that the potential victim may have a short barrel, he will once again think whether it is worth it.
      Please note that it is not the potential victim who has the weapon to stop the potential offender, but the fact that she MAY have weapons under the law.

      Well, if in the process of "settling down" the culture of weapons, which we have completely lost, several thousand robbers, murderers, rapists die, so it’s good - there will be fewer victims, grief, destroyed families and destinies.

      PS. I hope you understand that with the permission of the short-bar, articles will also be added to the Criminal Code. So do not worry about drunken showdowns of friends. Firstly, as they sit down for the first 20 years each, the rest will grow wiser at once. Secondly, the most common weapon of murder and bodily harm is a kitchen knife. Not just a knife, but a kitchen one. Let us then ban them too.
      1. +7
        7 November 2018 11: 58
        Everything is written in the case. But unfortunately, adequate laws on weapons and self-defense in our country are utopia.
        So, as one of my university professors advised, always carry a small folding knife with you. In case of murder "by negligence" (the offender fell and fatally hit his head on the curb, for example), the clerk is "presented" to the offender, after which the police are called. In the absence of knife wounds, the criminal's self-defense is not exceeded - after all, he attacked with a knife! "Yes, he was swinging, in all directions, trying to stab, even cut my jacket, almost killed me! Yes, and probably would have killed if I hadn't stumbled in the dark!" That's it, the case is closed. But in general, the teacher advised, if the place is dark, and there are no eyewitnesses, to leave quickly (again, having previously "presented" the knife to the criminal, so that the district police officer would not be too perverted for his death and would not play detective).
        If anything, the advice is not mine, doing so is not good, and it’s unfair to people who want to kill you)) By the way, the knife should be without your fingers (not necessary, but highly desirable).
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 12: 07
          Quote: Fedor Egoist
          Everything is written in the case. But unfortunately, adequate laws on weapons and self-defense in our country are utopia.

          Yes, I understand that utopia. Unfortunately...
          The current regime will not allow the people to arm themselves.
          These conversations are - dreams and no more ...

          A good advice. The teacher is sensible. )))
      2. 0
        7 November 2018 13: 50
        Injury TT-Leader 11,4mm with 3m punched a 30mm board with a 100J cartridge. Now the cartridge is not more than 90J. So with 3-5m it will be very painful.
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 14: 07
          Injured leader bruise on his chest with his fist through the windbreaker, shot a freaking motorcyclist. Under PM nothing, it’s tolerable, he shot the major, the conflict is on the road. The guard - through the jacket a broken rib, shot the drunk people. To understand my height 180 weight 105
          And what should I do, for a short barrel?
        2. 0
          7 November 2018 15: 12
          Quote: _Sergey_
          So with 3-5m it will be very painful.

          That's right - it will hurt. But this is not a way to stop crime in the country.

          In the Union it was clear why there was no weapon - my police were saving me. That the cop hit the person with a stick - in a nightmare it will not be dreamed of. And the police even dealt with the very last trifle. In short, the people as a whole felt protected.
          Now it’s time to defend oneself from the police themselves. The people didn’t have any protection - now it’s better to get into the hands of bandits than to law enforcement agencies. And the council on them, if that, can not be found.
          So the question often arises - where to go to the poor peasant?
      3. -3
        7 November 2018 15: 03
        Something my personal experience tells me that the presence of a possible rebuff from the potential victim may lead to a completely different reaction - they will rob an insensitive body ... how? Behind the pipe or fittings ... it was like this in our region in the 90s ... it’s just that the barrel will be added to the trophies, it’s wonderful, isn't it? No, I’m not talking about the fact that violence gives rise ... not about the reasons that give rise to crime, and no short-barrels will solve them, just distribute trunks so that we become even smaller to the delight of our enemies? Bravo! Yes, we can still reform a lot of things, including laws, but we need to think about the causes and not the consequences.
        1. -6
          7 November 2018 15: 16
          Quote: Nikolay73
          you need to think about the causes and not the consequence

          Here, as I already understood, they do not like to think about the reasons. Prefer to discuss the investigation. Yes, and it is clear - as soon as you think about the reasons, your eyes involuntarily rise on the Kremlin towers.
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 16: 05
            But what are you really, is it really only to the Kremlin towers? Are all the other solid angels light-haired? Not, really, we have something with the people with the government, or the government with the people were unlucky, but everywhere the cordon so directly spruce and manna and our king - either a tyrant, or not? Maybe everything is easier and more boring?
            1. -6
              7 November 2018 16: 45
              Quote: Nikolay73
              But what are you really, is it really only to the Kremlin towers?

              "Every accident has a name, surname and position", L. Kaganovich
              "Every flaw has a name and surname", S. Ordzhonikidze
              "Each mistake has a name, surname and patronymic", L. Beria

              Of course, I understand that the switchmen are also to blame ... But for some reason, if something is wrong on the ship, the commander gets a hat. For some reason, the fleet commander is not interested in the fact that such a midshipman is to blame for the accident. Stupid commander, right?
              Who is responsible for EVERYTHING on the ship? And at the factory? And in kindergarten? Well, probably, the most-most presumptuous chief is the commander, director, and manager.
              So why does logic jump off when asked: who is responsible for EVERYTHING in the country? Must answer, anyway.

              The catastrophe with Russia happened a long time ago. For 18 years, Stalin rebuilt the country twice - before and after the war. Because he was the master. For this, his people loved him.
              What prevented you from at least keeping all that you got over the same 18 years? And you say "is it really only" ...
              1. -1
                8 November 2018 09: 05
                Well, I will not be our lawyer - there is no qualification, and I don’t think so. As for responsibility - you know, I’m already tired of hearing that everything around us is to blame - in the kindergarten I still agree, but then ... the teacher is guilty that he didn’t study, the commander didn’t let him sleep, the boss didn’t work demanded, I am for joint responsibility where it is naturally appropriate. Joseph Vissarionovich’s methods - of course, yes, they still accuse him and again of everything and what was and what wasn’t. As for logic, this is how discipline has a place to be, but in addition to logic, life has the usual truth of life, and if you do not look at the world from a position of youthful maximalism, you can see not only black and white but also shades. As for the assessments of the current main thing, time will put everything in its place. Previously, over three varieties of sausages laughed ...
                1. 0
                  8 November 2018 09: 22
                  Quote: Nikolay73
                  As for responsibility - you know, I’m already tired of hearing that everything around us is to blame - in the kindergarten I still agree, but then ... the teacher is guilty that he didn’t study, the commander didn’t let him sleep, the boss didn’t work demanded I am for joint responsibility where it is appropriate naturally.

                  Here I am about that.
                  By the way, responsibility is very well said in this article:
                  https://via-midgard.com/news/otvetstvennost.htm
                  1. -1
                    8 November 2018 15: 08
                    The article also says why this is not possible.
                    1. 0
                      8 November 2018 15: 29
                      Quote: Nikolay73
                      The article also says why this is not possible.

                      I don’t remember ... Please specify.
                      1. -1
                        8 November 2018 16: 17
                        An example is given of how it was ... now there is neither the leader nor those measures of repressive nature by which the result was achieved, and not at that time now - it is unlikely that they will be able to prove to the public their need, I think you yourself understand why. Responsibility - this is what they expect from other IMHO, as always.
                      2. -2
                        8 November 2018 16: 44
                        Quote: Nikolay73
                        now there is neither that leader nor those repressive measures by which the result was achieved

                        So we are red again. And the whole world can.

                        In a decent overseas corporation, do you think it’s possible for us to sit in a chair for years without betraying anything to the mountain? Yes there are such repressions that even the Stalinist flowers seem.
                      3. -1
                        8 November 2018 17: 27
                        Now let's move into geopolitics, this topic is so vast and multifaceted that I have neither the proper knowledge nor the huge reserve of time to discuss all this. As for the redheads, for some the glass is half empty, and I remember my happy childhood in the Soviet Union and my studies in the 90s and I can not unequivocally say that everything is getting worse. Much has changed not for the better, but it has changed because the ideas of universal equality and fraternity have lost, not without the help of interested parties, the golden calf ... and who is to blame, and now what? As for the extradition - yes everywhere this is enough.
      4. 0
        8 November 2018 09: 16
        This is not true. This can be said only by one who has not seen the ability of a bullet (cartridge) of a traumatic gun.
        Secondly, it is impossible to shoot in the head (eye).
        Third, it will become safer, you are right. The time and number of corpses from the already dying population of the country. You correctly said that a kitchen knife is the most popular tool. So it’s not about the gun, it’s about people. Instead of handing out weapons, you need to think about how to get the population out of aggressiveness. The easiest way is with a gun. And do not forget about the Caucasus and the problems with them, everyone goes with knives and puts them into business without hesitation. They will launch pistols.
    4. +2
      8 November 2018 08: 29
      Quote: FRoman1984
      And what prevents to defend themselves, for example, with a Slovak pistol (rubber-arrow) T-12? Bullet energy enough to stop and injure anyone?


      Stupidity. Will not be enough.

      Quote: FRoman1984
      Do not make possession of a weak gun strong, the author.


      Strong will not make it completely protected.
  5. +1
    7 November 2018 06: 10
    Of course, I’m for the short barrel, but Goldreer is already tired of the order and begins to carry all kinds of nonsense. Stuck guy on the short barrel. An obsession must be treated.
    1. +2
      7 November 2018 09: 55
      And what nonsense is what?
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 13: 33
        First of all, it is necessary to redo the legislative framework, and then think about the short-barrel. We can now even go to jail for applying injuries.
        1. +3
          7 November 2018 14: 12
          The author, in fact, leads to this as a result.
          1. -2
            7 November 2018 21: 34
            Well, so we must assume that the place of the "main mouthpiece" of the domestic military-industrial complex lobby after the arrest of Butina in the States is now vacant. What is not a reason to actualize their activities for those who are ready to pick up the banner from the hands of a fallen soldier?
  6. +6
    7 November 2018 06: 16
    ... a long time ago there wasn’t about the short-barrels, bully heaped)) ...
  7. +1
    7 November 2018 07: 13
    Well, finally, and then about cooking, how to become young ... laughing
  8. 0
    7 November 2018 07: 17
    To be continued ... Author: Mikhail Goldreer
    These sequels follow already the second year and all about the same. The author tried to switch to wild plants and rejuvenation, but obviously he didn’t like it himself.
    1. AUL
      +6
      7 November 2018 09: 14
      And what, the discussed problem has already resolved, you can forget?
      1. +3
        7 November 2018 10: 00
        No, this is a club, or a tangle (?) Of pseudo-pacifists on the site is holding "mazu"! It seems that these are our sworn "neighbors", earning money for 30 shekels
        1. -1
          7 November 2018 17: 11
          Sho laughing do you have water in the tap?
  9. 0
    7 November 2018 07: 21
    Shortbone in the state-psychological context
    Author: Mikhail Goldreer

  10. 0
    7 November 2018 07: 33
    Most of the article talks about the psychology of personality, about the free circulation of the short-stemmed and the prerequisites for its free movement at the legislative level ... not a word ...
  11. +4
    7 November 2018 08: 15
    Good and deep publication! To turn people into frightened obedient rams, and even so that they bleat for the glory of the shepherd, you need to disarm people and beat their brains with a TV! This is the method of governing the country ...
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 15: 14
      If you see yourself and your loved ones as frightened submissive rams - this is your right. I see our soldiers calling fire on themselves, getting up with a grenade and shouting "- For the boys!", Children pulling their peers out of the fire and water, police officers giving their warm clothes in a blizzard, and a lot of other things they show on TV, everyone has their own head on your shoulders and your thoughts.
    2. +2
      7 November 2018 16: 51
      Quote: akudr48
      ........ and deep publication! .......

      And what is the depth of these "depths"?
  12. +2
    7 November 2018 10: 51
    Regarding short-barrels as a remedy for mass psychopathic killers: if a person is going to kill you, then no short-barrels, skills and the presence of "professional" guards will help. Most of the successful methods of self-defense using pistols were carried out in a situation where the attacker was NOT going to kill people, but wanted to rob them. Those. the defending person had a CHANCE to suddenly use the weapon for the criminal. The fact that today's law is not fair is true. What is adequate self-defense, what is the limit of sufficiency? There are already enough types of firearms to protect a home in Russia today: from a pump-action shotgun to compact self-loading smoothbore in caliber 366TKM. Video about short-barreled and its possible application in the topic of the article:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-rxQkMO80&index=6&list=PL6TrGhAsEIltnKZHiAuB-t-3onKTdwEmU
  13. -2
    7 November 2018 11: 01
    [quoteIt's not without reason that at one time so many excellent warriors who passed through Afghanistan and Chechnya became bandits, their legal consciousness was shaken and corrupted by the dominance of a weak psychotype on a social, state and cultural scale, and they considered law-abiding existence in such an atmosphere not only meaningless hopeless, but also insulting and humiliating.] [/ quote] An excellent warrior is not equal to an excellent person (axiom). Anyone who prioritizes the right of the strong tramples on the rights of everyone else. Humanity, compassion and mutual respect are what each of us expects in relation to himself and gives it to others with difficulty (because he often considers this to be a manifestation of weakness). As for the short-barreled, the state by right of the strong and forbids the weak to have a mechanism of justice (here and now), keeping this mechanism at its disposal ... You don't like this, but it is quite logical. As for criminal encroachments - having a small knife in your pocket, with proper skill, you are able to "edit" the bully in such a way that it’s scary to even think ... and now we move on to self-defense proper and its necessary limits, and here I can do a lot agree and disagree, do you propose to kill the reptile if he spat at you? If yes, be prepared to leave for places not so distant for a sufficiently long period, and upon return, contain a disabled bully, his parents, children and wife, not your own, but his ... In the opinion of one, the glass is half full ... and if you are ready to put your life and the well-being of your children and parents on the line in exchange for stupidity and hooliganism - you are an unbalanced person of a weak psychotype and a weapon in your hands - a grenade in the paws of a monkey ... oppose. Then, when not a hooligan, but a serious matter - you will still have a short barrel, a knife or reinforcement, tk. better to sit than lie. Naturally IMHO! All good and remain human.
  14. -1
    7 November 2018 12: 20
    It is obvious that the certificate issued does not give any guarantees of adequacy, endurance, etc. Perhaps other approaches to conducting a psychological examination are needed to issue a permit. For example, testing. I think this is already familiar to someone when entering a flight school. Also in serious institutions, this is used when hiring.
    Only 500 questions and it turns out that you yourself do not yet know yourself. wink
  15. +1
    7 November 2018 15: 09
    Quote: neri73-r
    it means that this system can also be reversed or turned towards people.

    How do you imagine that? Turn this system to people. In order to turn FACE to people, the system itself must have a FACE. And where did you see the face of our system?
    As the Governor said there: "All around are pig's snouts!" (quote. N.V. Gogol "The Inspector General") request
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 15: 26
      There is still a quote - not a place colors a person, but a person a place. Are there people who seem to do no harm to anyone, do not interfere with anything good or bad ... are you ready to fight by peaceful methods to transform the snout into your face, or as soon as you feel comfortable with a well-fed life, calm down?
  16. +1
    7 November 2018 16: 41
    Quote: Nikolay73
    There is still a quote - not a place colors a person, but a person a place. Are there people who seem to do no harm to anyone, do not interfere with anything good or bad ... are you ready to fight by peaceful methods to transform the snout into your face, or as soon as you feel comfortable with a well-fed life, calm down?


    Good evening, Nikolai.

    As for the one who brings something, or who colors more, we somehow get more on the contrary. About to fight, even by peaceful methods, I have long been, unfortunately, in the wrong age category. But, if you have really serious thoughts about this, then share it. Seriously. hi
    1. 0
      8 November 2018 09: 44
      Hello Konstantin. Seriously, I’m more interested in my selfish things, my son is still small, my wife has been unemployed, my mother is in years ... I understand that everyone has this, and I don’t see the political force that would share my beliefs not in elections but in life. Let it be for now. hi
  17. +1
    7 November 2018 18: 31
    Damned Russophobes Baltic (all three) SPORT statistics. there, the crime rate fell many times after the introduction of the arms trade.
    1. 0
      8 November 2018 21: 32
      Something about these times that you mention after the introduction of trade, I do not observe here in Latvia. But the murmur of discontent is already heard quite loudly. So, do not mislead people. .
  18. +2
    7 November 2018 18: 42
    As always, in the comments, completely different concepts were collected - defense against a criminal and lynching, distributing weapons and acquiring them in accordance with the law, shooting a criminal in a public place with long-barreled weapons and defense against an attack by a criminal with legal weapons, which is simply easier to carry. Do you really decide how you are - you are simply principled opponents of any weapon (including hunting) or just non-resistance to evil by violence!
  19. +4
    7 November 2018 19: 25
    There are lots of places where weapons are in abundant hands. And not just shotguns and pistols, but right up to machine guns. (Dagestan Ossetia In general, the Caucasus Abkhazia) mortality from firearms in these places is not to say that it is higher than in the rest of Russia.
    Cudtura gun possession is present. Although primitive and expressive, but present.
    1. +4
      8 November 2018 08: 33
      Quote: garri-lin
      There are lots of places where weapons are in abundant hands. And not just shotguns and pistols, but right up to machine guns. (Dagestan Ossetia In general, the Caucasus Abkhazia) mortality from firearms in these places is not to say that it is higher than in the rest of Russia.
      Cudtura gun possession is present. Although primitive and expressive, but present.


      It (the culture of ownership) and will not appear if this very weapon will not be. You can not learn to go skiing considering them in the pictures. Traumatic in this sense is rather a corrupting element, since provokes the use of its imaginary non-lethality and the difficulty of finding the owner (no rifling).
  20. -3
    8 November 2018 08: 39
    Another inadequate in which the gun between the legs is not worth it, trying to compensate for this short-barreled. As if the state, having a trained army with heavy weapons, generally has some business with pistols.

    By the way, in the US, mass (more than 4 killed) shootings take place every year, mass, only outstanding cases are reported, we even have 5 killed - this is an Event.
    1. +1
      8 November 2018 16: 48
      Quote: EvilLion
      By the way, in the US, mass (more than 4 killed) shootings take place every year, mass, only outstanding cases are reported, we even have 5 killed - this is an Event.


      And always in those places where other weapons do not have - weapons-free zones.
  21. +1
    8 November 2018 16: 36
    To what I have said, I can add a memory of how, speaking to the public, the then commander in chief of VV Sukhodolsky (now hiding from his arrest in Israel) when he asked the girl what means of self-defense he would advise, cheerfully answered: we have many drugs legally sold, but the best of them is reliable hand of a man walking near!
    What a fine fellow! Here is the answer of a confident man! Moving in an armored car with guards in jeeps front and rear.
  22. +2
    9 November 2018 11: 42
    Quote: Evil543
    Injured leader bruise on his chest with his fist through the windbreaker, shot a freaking motorcyclist. Under PM nothing, it’s tolerable, he shot the major, the conflict is on the road. The guard - through the jacket a broken rib, shot the drunk people. To understand my height 180 weight 105
    And what should I do, for a short barrel?

    Climbed the pop on the bell tower, fell did not crash - lucky). The second time climbed fell, did not crash, liked) The third time climbed, fell, did not crash - used))))
    Is it your job or is it worth it to be calmer?))) Take care of yourself !!!))))
  23. +1
    9 November 2018 21: 51
    Unfortunately, in Russia it’s unlikely that the authorities will allow the short-barrels to be used for personal use. Painfully, it is afraid of armed citizens, and the Russian Guard does not need extra hemorrhoids, because give free rein and what is allowed to be banned. Because of this structure, several museums in the country are practically not They work because, according to employees of the Russian Guard, they do not properly store emasculated and irreparable museum weapons.
  24. +2
    9 November 2018 21: 53
    Quote: Nikolay73
    Hello Konstantin. Seriously, I’m more interested in my selfish things, my son is still small, my wife has been unemployed, my mother is in years ... I understand that everyone has this, and I don’t see the political force that would share my beliefs not in elections but in life. Let it be for now. hi


    Good evening, Nikolai.
    Here I understand you, I myself experienced something similar in the early nineties. Now the children have grown up and can stand up for themselves.
    Good luck to you! hi
    1. +2
      12 November 2018 16: 33
      Konstantin, thanks for the kind word! Health, long years and all the blessings of the earth to you! hi
  25. +1
    12 November 2018 23: 16
    Quote: Nikolay73
    Konstantin, thanks for the kind word! Health, long years and all the blessings of the earth to you! hi


    Thank you Nikolai and good luck! hi

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