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In 1914, the infantry regiments of the German army were armed with a Mauser rifle of the 1898 model. Its non-detachable magazine (recharging was carried out using a clip) contained 5 cartridges. Device weapons allowed to push cartridges into the store by pressing the thumb. This feature of Mauser favorably distinguished the rifle from, for example, the English "sister" - the Lee Enfield rifle. On the other hand, Mauser was more exacting about the purity and quality of ammunition, and his shop could hold half as many cartridges as the Englishwoman. With a length of 1250 mm and a mass of 4 kg, the Mauser 98 is an excellent weapon for an agile warfare, but not very suitable for the specifics of a trench warfare.

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anti-tank gun with the calculation



In the Chasseurs and rifle battalions, artillery, cavalry, machine-gun, sapper and transport units, shorter rifles were used instead of rifles. The standard carbine had a length of 1090 mm (the length of the barrel 590 mm - 10 mm shorter than the rifle barrel). He became the main attack aircraft with 1915 g. Due to its shorter length, it was more convenient for operations in the trench, and a little smaller range did not have special significance in a close combat situation. Positive qualities of the carbine: more perfect sight, good ballistics, durable bed. Negative qualities: weight, complex trigger.


German rifle (top) and two modifications of the carbine

The assault of the first received sub-machine guns MP-18 Bergman system. Working on the principle of a free gate, the weapon "fed" 9-mm cartridges. By pressing the trigger releases the shutter fighter fed forward and shall be sent to the top cartridge from the magazine into the chamber - and then came the shot. The pressure of the powder gases threw back the shutter, the latter compressed the release spring, and then the cycle was repeated. With all the simplicity of the device was extremely effective. The box-shaped 32-cartridge magazine was inserted on the left - side of the receiver. The weight of the submachine gun - 4050 g., Length - 820 mm, barrel length - 200 mm. 32 cartridge MR-18 produced for continuous fire only 3,5 seconds. In the 1918, the German army received more MP 30000-18, but most came to the troops after the operation is completed, "Michael." But E. Ludendorff counted using submachine guns to significantly increase the firepower of its infantry in the assault on the Hindenburg line allies. In the assault company "Bergman" armed officers, non-commissioned officers and 10 privates (in an infantry company - only 6 fighters). But the submachine gun had a lot of delays in firing, and the troops didn’t really like it - although it was more perfect than the Italian Revelli.


submachine gun MP-18

Non-commissioned officers of the mortar and machine-gun-armed, in addition to the rifle, Mauser pistols or P08 Luger. Thanks to the holster used as a butt, these pistols could conduct aimed fire at more than 100-meter distance. There was a “assault” model of the Luger — an 32-charging drum shop (a “snail type” drum developed in the 1917 r.) Type.


gun luger

"Assault" Luger on the receiver carried the stigma of "dead head". The innovation has increased the firepower of the weapon - albeit to the detriment of convenience and, in part, reliability (it had a complex system of supplying cartridges and the distortions of the latter made the gun more capricious). The downside was the complexity and rather big cost of the store.


pistols Luger and Mauser С96. Armed with gunners, machine gunners and mortar men


assault lugger n xnumx

Hand grenades gradually improved. The most popular was the Stielhandgranate 15 grenade beetle - a favorite attack aircraft.


grenade-beater Stielhandgranate 15

When in February 1916, they were going to attack Verdun, carbines and rifles hung behind, while his hands were free for throwing grenades. On the 255-mm wooden handle was placed a metal cylinder with a long 100 mm and diameter 75 mm. It was filled with explosive. To the cylinder was attached a metal clip side - it is allowed to hang grenade belt. At the end of the handle there was a check - pulling the last one, the fighter triggered a flammable tube with a slowdown of 5,5 seconds (there were also 3- and 7-second tubes, which was noted on the handle). There was also a grenade model that had a spring-type shock fuse (it worked when the grenade hit the ground).


The German ball grenade had a diameter of about 3 inches. Her cast-iron case, about half an inch thick, was varnished. Black powder was used as BB. The friction igniter of this sample was triggered when the wire was pulled over the wire with a strap-hook bracelet

In 1916, the Eierhandgranate 16 entered service - with a weight of 310 gr. she had a black cast iron shirt. Fuse provided 5-seconds of deceleration (and there was a model with 8-second delay - for firing a rocket-propelled grenade). The radius of defeat, however, was quite limited. 1916 was first used in July.


grenade Eierhandgranate 16

German soldiers, the British counterattacked north Tipvalya (on the Somme), threw grenades and managed to regain lost ground. These grenades were very popular - not least for their compactness and good quality. The garnet has been used more powerful explosive than Stielhandgranate 15.

Other types of grenades were used - Kugelhandgranate 13, Kugelhandgranate 15. The main striking factor of the German grenades was not the fragments, but the shock wave - respectively, these weapons were particularly effective not in open space, but in a trench-war environment. Attack aircraft, whose task was to attack their strongholds, often used a bunch of grenades - throwing them into the loophole or parapet.


grenade Kugelhandgranate 13


grenade Kugelhandgranate 15


German Pomegranate Guide




samples grenades

In 1914, each infantry regiment had 6 machine guns in a machine-gun company. In 1915 the shelves, the further separation is obtained machinegun (30 - 40 fighters at 3 - 4 machine guns). From the 2 half of the 1916, the 3 machinegun company (one company per battalion) of the regiment already had (or should have) 18 machine guns. In the winter of 1915 / 16. We began to appear specialized machine parts - Maschinengewehr Scharfschuetzen Trupps (parts of machine-gun shooters). They were intended for offensive operations. The personnel prepared for special 4 - 5-weekly courses. Each was actually a machine-gun company as part of 6 machine guns. The baptism of machine-gunners was held near Verdun, where 3 machine-gun rifle companies drove into machine-gun battalions - each division was given such a battalion on the front line. They interacted with corps and divisional assault units and subunits.


German machine gunners, September 1918 of the year

Each of the assault battalions being formed had 1 - 2 machinegun companies - and its firepower was equivalent to an infantry regiment. In 1917, the number of machine guns in the company increased to 8, 10, and finally 12. Thus, assault battalions had 12 - 24 machine guns, and some units had a machine gun platoon of 2 machine guns.

The main machine gun - MaschinenGewehr 08 (version of the machine gun system Maxim). Weight - 25 kg (combat weight - with a machine and with cooling water in the casing - reached 63,6 kg).



machine gun MG 08

Naturally, despite the effectiveness, MG08 was mainly a defensive weapon - dragging a machine gun over a field crammed with more than 60-kg fire was not an easy task. However, during the June offensive of 1916, near Verdun, machine gunners also marched in the battle formations of the advancing Germans. Thus, the Life Guards Bavarian regiment with the support of the “Pop” masturbation captured the town of Fleury - 24 MG08 took part in street fights [Drury I. German stormtrooper 1914-1918. London, 1995. P. 14].


The calculation of the German machine gun MG 08

The Dreize machine gun of the 1908 / 15 model was used as well (weighed almost 30 kg, the target range of the 2000 m, the combat rate of fire of 250 shots per minute).


Dreyse machine gun model 1908 / 15 g.

The appearance of light (manual) machine guns heralded the transition to infantry group tactics - after all, such a machine gun gave each group of fighters greater stability and independence. Of course, first of all it concerned the assault units, especially in need of such a machine gun. In 1915, the Germans tried to create a machine gun based on the MG08 machine gun.



Light machine gun Maxim MG 08 / 15 arr. 1915

Also, since most of the armies of the Entente by this time already had this type of weapon, the Germans formed machine-gun parts from captured machine guns. The 1 th battalion of light machine guns (3 companies for 4 officer, 160 soldiers and 30 machine guns; human 4 machine gun calculation; fighter’s weaponry - carbine) appeared in August 1915, having participated in the September fights in Champagne. He was armed with light machine guns of the Madsen system.


Madsen light machine gun

This Danish machine gun was a real handbrake (air cooling, weight less than 10 kg, bipod, food from a box-shaped 20-cartridge magazine). In the course of the battle on the Somme, almost nothing remained of the battalion, and the material part was lost. Acting in the 2 echelon of the offensive, after the front line was broken, machine gunners who destroyed the allied infantry were introduced into the breakthrough. The machine-gunners brought the fire of British artillery on themselves - with all the ensuing consequences. But by the end of the battle, the Germans captured a sufficient number of British Lewis - and after a remake (which allowed the use of German ammunition) they replaced the lost Madsenes.


Lewis and Mg 08 light machine guns

The Lewes battalion remained in service until April 1918. The attackers valued the Lewises - retaining them even after entering a part of German-made light machine guns. Lewis continued to use until the end of the war (in Brussels, even the production of repair and modification of trophies was organized).


German machine-gun platoon on the march. Somme, 1918 g. The unit is armed with Lewis captured machine guns including

In 1916, the Bergman LMG.15 light machine gun was adopted (but in small quantities). The first to receive it were German troops stationed on the Italian front.


Bergman's light machine gun LMG.15

In December of the same year, the MG08 / 15 light machine gun (MG08 on a bipod and equipped with a wooden rifle butt and pistol grip) was put into service. The machine gun cover, still filled with water, was smaller in volume. With all this, we managed to reduce the mass of the weapon - but only to 19.5 kg, and the machine gun would be more correct to call it not “light”, but lightweight.


MG08 \ 15 light machine gun

On the other hand, MG08 / 15 is the first universal machine gun in the world, light enough to move around the battlefield and heavy enough to engage in dense fire. The tape feed (in the 100 or 250 cartridges) allowed MG08 / 15 to form a fairly dense fire, exceeding Lewis and Shosh machine guns. The target range of fire - 2000 m at a practical rate of fire - 100-150 shots per minute. For the first time, MG08 / 15 was used on the Western Front in the spring of 1917. Infantry companies received 3 of such machine guns, and by the end of the year, the Western Front infantry company had 6, and the Eastern Front infantry company had 2 MG08 / 15.


calculation of the Mg 08 / 15 machine gun in the battle in Champagne April 1917

The following year, a lighter version appeared - MG08 / 18. At the end of the war, these machine guns became the main automatic attack aircraft of the attackers, who used them where fighters with rifles acted - in funnels, in the folds of the terrain, etc. The light machine gun, which could quickly change position, became a serious help, allowing the seizure of lines and their retention until the main forces.

The German army had two types of rifle grenades - Gewehrgranate M1913 and Gewehrgranate M1914. Both weighed about a kilogram and were fired with a special blank cartridge from a standard rifle. A blank cartridge was loaded into the rifle, then it was necessary to rest it against the ground with the butt and tilt to 50 degrees. Then a ramrod was inserted into the barrel, the aiming was refined and a shot was made. The grenade was equipped with an additional charge of black powder — when it hit the ground, it threw the grenade into the air, where it exploded, scattering debris. Later, the Gewehrgranate M1916 appeared.


Gewehrgranate M grenade

They could shoot grenade launchers and signal rockets. The first grenade launcher was put into service for 1916, having a mass of 40 kg, it consisted of 2 parts: the 23-kilogram grenade launcher itself and the 15-kilogram machine. Thanks to the collapsible design it could be quickly transferred. The range of the grenade launcher - 50 - 300 m. In 1916, an infantry regiment had 12 grenade launchers (calculated by 2 man). The grenade launcher is an effective weapon capable of supporting the advancing infantry with open and closed positions. In each infantry company, detachments of throwers of grenades appeared - first, to dazzle the enemy, smoke and then ordinary grenades were thrown. Then the grenade throwers were the first to leave the trench, and, supported by infantry, they again threw grenades at the enemy.

By 1914, the 3 type of main mortars was in service: light 76-mm (weight of 4,7 kg mines, maximum range of fire - up to 1400 m (at an angle of 45 degrees)), average 170-mm (respectively - 49,5 kg and up to 1500 m) and heavy 210-mm. The 76-mm mortar (having a rifled barrel) used ammunition obtained from defective 77-mm field gun shells. 76-mm mortar fired from behind shelters, from the reverse slopes of hills, from trenches or craters. Moved weapons calculation forces.


76-mm mortar

The 170-mm mortar was an effective infantry support weapon, particularly in the destruction of field closures. Calculation (6 people), holding the bed, moved the mortar on the battlefield.


170-mm mortar

The heavy mortar, originally intended for the defense of fortresses, was the deadliest weapon. Thanks to the hinged trajectory and powerful explosive charge 100-kg of ammunition, its mines brought down a whole series of trenches.


240-mm heavy mortar

In 1916, new modifications of all 3 types of mortars appeared, possessing greater range and ability to fire ammunition equipped with poisonous substances. Separate mortar battalions appear. The infantry regiment was given such a division. In each - 12 76-mm mortars and 24 grenade launcher. Mortars of heavier caliber had mortar companies (the infantry division, as a rule, included such a mortar company). The company consisted of a platoon of heavy mortars (4 240- or 250-mm) and 2-x platoon of medium mortars (8 170-mm). The reserve of the High Command was at least 13 mortar battalions, which, as necessary, were transferred to certain sectors of the front. The mortar division consisted of 4-x companies (6 heavy and 8 light mortars). The assault battalion had, as a rule, a mortar company. Individual assault companies usually had 4 light mortars. Light mortars and grenade launchers were located either behind the starting position or in the 2 line of the attackers.


detachment


German rocket launcher

18. 01. The 1915 was formed by the Guards Pioneer Volunteer Battalion (primarily for testing the newest weapon, the flamethrower) Major Reddeman. Then it was reorganized into the 3 th Guards Pioneer Battalion, and then into the Guards Reserve Pioneer Regiment (the “father” of the flame-throwing units of the German army), called Flammenwerfer Abteilung. He participated in the battles until the end of the war.


memo for flamethrowers

Initially, the battalion included the 6 mouth, and by the end of the 1917, their number increased to 12 (18 backpack and 20 heavy flamethrowers in the company). The Reddeman regiment, becoming a strike unit of high combat value, formed its own assault unit. Types of flamethrowers were subdivided into: portable (calculation of 2 of a person - carrier of a cylinder with a fire mixture and an operator directing a flamethrower hose to a target) and stationary (throwing a fire jet at 20-meter distance).


light flamethrower with the calculation

In 1915, the flamethrower was tested on the Western front - and caused panic in the ranks of the enemy infantry. Each assault battalion had a flamethrower platoon (4 - 8 light flamethrowers). The success of flamethrowing units (equated with assault) depended on many factors - which showed an episode of unsuccessful use of flamethrowers on the Russian front near Skrobov.


flamethrower of the German army

The 1915-mm trench Krupp gun tested in 37 proved to be insufficiently effective (37-mm infantry guns were light and accurate in aiming, but limited in the possibilities of hitting targets — both open and hidden behind the folds of the ground, because a light projectile could cause damage only with a direct hit, and hit a living target only with a close break) and replaced with a mountain howitzer (could also move around the battlefield on his hands).


trench gun in battle

And in 1916, 76,2-mm infantry guns began to arrive at the armament of the assault battalions - captured Russian three-inches with a shortened barrel (from 2,28 m to 1,25 m). The gun received a sight calibrated to 1800 and a new 1 wheel, -1-meter diameter. The gun fired 5,9-kg shells of German production. By 1917, 50 batteries (4 - 6 guns) of infantry guns operated on the Western Front. Each assault battalion had such a battery. Such guns were very relevant - now not so acute was the question of support from the divisional artillery in identifying single targets. Efficiency increased with the defeat of similar targets, saving the infantry from unnecessary losses in an unexpected encounter with enemy machine guns.


trophy Russian 76-mm gun in the arsenal of attack aircraft

And then the infantry gun began to be used as an anti-tank gun. In 1917, around 50 batteries were formed, now equipped with native field 77-mm cannons on special low carriages (the barrel was attached not to the axle, but to the axle located in front of the axle).


German 77-mm gun in combat

These guns always moved manually around the battlefield and gradually became the main anti-tank guns (used semi-armor shells). From a small distance they hit small-sized targets (machine-gun nests, trenches, posts of observers and selected shooters) and participated in repelling enemy attacks and counterattacks. Thus, the armament of the assault units was powerful and adapted to the combat realities.



77-mm field gun





infantry guns. Pay attention to the ability to move around the battlefield, including through obstacles, by the forces of calculation. For the firing position, the usual funnel from the projectile was also quite suitable.

For trench combat there were several types of weapons, including various batons, daggers, bayonets, and trench knives. Daggers, the attacker's distinctive weapon, were made by him according to his own taste, often from a bayonet. Many preferred the sharply sharpened sapper blades — one side edge of the blade was ground, turning it into a slashing weapon. Calculations of heavy weapons and non-commissioned officers wore bayonet knives. T. n. combat knives differed significantly from each other (there was no approved model), being issued by different firms. The blades are about the same, but the arms have a different shape, although they were structurally identical: they consisted of wooden cheeks with transverse deep grooves (to prevent slipping in the hand) riveted to the shank. Blade length - 125-160 mm, width - 20-22 mm. It was a weapon, especially comfortable in a trench melee.



combat knives

Combat knife constructively consisted of a handle, crosshairs and a blade. He successfully combined the piercing and cutting functions: the cutting edge (blade) of the blade and the edge bevels with mutual sharpening turned it into a universal compact weapon. The blades were made of stainless steel by stamping or rolled steel sheet of the desired profile. Handles (solid wood overlay plates (beech, oak, hornbeam, or walnut)) were joined using rivets. Standard metal sheath had a bracket for fastening on the waist belt and, as a rule, were painted black. Various trophy and home-made knives were used. The blades of the bayonets were shortened to the desired size and honed. Or they took a metal rod from a wire fence and, having processed it, sharpened it - until they got a handle and a blade (the so-called French nail). Sharpened a combat knife from one or both sides.

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  1. +10
    10 November 2018 07: 01
    On the shelves! Assault battalions in detail. It’s very clear and thorough.
    1. +10
      10 November 2018 08: 11
      It’s always interesting when both informative and visual
      1. +6
        10 November 2018 09: 01
        Quote: Brutan
        It’s always interesting when both informative and visual

        It’s good that the sequel quickly appeared. Yes, a review of the tools +++++. I also recalled other articles of the Author about new, then, types, both flamethrowers, and other innovations.
  2. +6
    10 November 2018 07: 21
    Grenade launcher, flamethrower, mortar, trench cannon-more than a hundred years ago, attack aircraft used the same as today ....
    1. +9
      10 November 2018 08: 11
      And the tactics of the assault groups, too ...
    2. 0
      10 November 2018 17: 58
      Quote: Olgovich
      Grenade launcher, flamethrower, mortar, trench cannon-more than a hundred years ago, attack aircraft used the same as today ....

      Ingimashi being essentially an assault group added a shahid belt, which added a psychological effect.
  3. +8
    10 November 2018 07: 34
    Boys wagons, specialists in all types of weapons. Jack of all trades.
    Karoche versatile
    1. +8
      10 November 2018 08: 12
      The moment of truth Bogomolov recently re-read
      This is for your
      specialists in all types of weapons
  4. +9
    10 November 2018 08: 13
    Very impressive.
    By firepower, an assault battalion is an analogue of an infantry regiment. And by the combination of different types of weapons probably in the German army there were no analogues then
  5. 0
    10 November 2018 08: 17
    Blades made of stainless steel

    Whose I doubt it.
    1. +1
      10 November 2018 08: 18
      Why doubt?
      1. +2
        10 November 2018 08: 19
        Quote: Heavy Division
        Why doubt?

        Because the stainless steel was patented for the first time in the 15th year in Canada by an Englishman.
        1. +3
          10 November 2018 08: 26
          After all, in 1915, not in 2015.
          It is time.
          The Germans, too, are not embroidered, their own most powerful technobase. By the way, as now - it can be patented by something that has long been used. Or - a patent is issued to one, and the right of prior use belongs to another. Two.
          Finally, the third, there is a bibliography on German assault units, incl. Osprey. Not taken from the ceiling naturally. I can share it. Want to?
          1. 0
            10 November 2018 08: 33
            Quote: Heavy Division
            After all, in 1915

            Naturally, just in WWI. Moreover, it was necessary to take overclocking industry to produce steel.
            Quote: Heavy Division
            there is a bibliography on German assault forces, incl. Osprey. Not taken from the ceiling naturally. I can share it. Want to?

            If there is about stainless steel blades there, then yes, I want to. hi
            1. +3
              10 November 2018 08: 56
              The history of stainless steel - long before 1915 - see http://www.metallick.ru/stati/istoriya_nerzhaveyuwej_stali/

              The Germans also excelled - see http://www.svarkaland.ru/ctati/istoriya-sozdaniya-nerzhaveyushhej-stali

              So for the years 1916-18. this is clearly not a problem, stainless steel knives.

              On the assault parts of the bibliography I will form and throw you in a personal.
              Here is one of the articles

              Combat knives of the German army.

              Despite the fact that the bayonet was still in service with the infantry of all the fighting armies, the trench warfare required the appearance of a new kind of cold weapon with a short blade, which would be convenient to use in close combat and in night sorties. This weapon was a combat knife (Nahrkampfmesser).
              Immediately after the start of the "trench period" of the First World War, the need was ripe for a purely military knife. And as a result, the industry received an order for the manufacture of a combat knife with a double-edged dagger-type blade, which could easily penetrate warm winter uniforms and equipment, reaching vital organs. The prototype for the creation of the German combat knife was an ordinary kitchen knife with a fixed blade. The knife left a wide wound and quickly pulled out, which made it possible to quickly strike again.
              Structurally, the combat knife consisted (however, like other types of knives) of a blade, hilt and crosshairs (performing the function of a guard). The combat knife successfully combined (unlike the bayonet) cutting and stitching functions: the cutting edge of the blade (blade) and bevels with double sharpening turned it into a compact universal weapon. Blades of combat knives made stamped stainless steel (cold or hot), or from specially rolled steel sheet of the corresponding profile. The knives of combat knives were patch plates made of hardwood (beech, oak, hornbeam or walnut), connected with rivets. The arms had a shape that was convenient for gripping, and transverse rifling was applied to them to reduce slipping. Standard metal sheaths for a combat knife had a special bracket for attaching to a waist belt and were usually painted black.
              Officially, there was only one option for a combat knife. However, many manufacturers, depending on their technical capabilities, often made some changes to its appearance. Most often, such knives differed in blade length (from 165 to 130 mm) and detailing. The scabbard also differed in variety: in addition to the standard, all kinds of homemade and trophy specimens were used.

              And look at the reference trench knives PMV
              http://www.pro-kop.ru/catalogs/direct_knives_w1.php

              Second from above - Mercator knife
              Manufacturer - R. Klaas, Germany.
              Sizes - 198/110.
              Weight - 74.
              The handle is stainless steel.

              Blade - carbon steel, sharpening one-sided.
              Knives like "Mercator" were used in the German army since the first world war.
              Even the handles, as we see, were made of stainless steel
              1. 0
                10 November 2018 10: 35
                I’ve been familiar with your second link for a long time.
                Quote: Heavy Division
                Second from above - Mercator knife
                Manufacturer - R. Klaas, Germany.
                Sizes - 198/110.
                Weight - 74.
                The handle is stainless steel.
                Blade - carbon steel, sharpening one-sided.
                Knives like "Mercator" have been used in the German army since the First World War.
                Even the handles, as we see, were made of stainless steel

                The year of issue is unknown. And "Type knives" does not mean that such materials were in WWI.
                Quote: Heavy Division
                Here is one of the articles

                Combat knives of the German army.

                Despite the fact that the bayonet was still in service with the infantry of all the fighting armies, the trench warfare
                ...
                This article, as they write in the comments, was ripped off the site "Women with low social responsibility in Moscow." (The moderator does not skip another word). wink
                1. +2
                  10 November 2018 10: 41
                  The year of issue is unknown. And "Type knives" does not mean that such materials were in WWI.

                  it's just picking on. All means - that were in particular.
                  This article, as they write in the comments, was ripped off the site "Women with low social responsibility in Moscow."

                  yeah what)) Try to prove it - firstly, that this is an article with low responsibility, and secondly, that this is a phrase
                  The blades of combat knives were made of stainless steel by stamping (in cold or hot form), or from specially rolled steel sheet of the corresponding profile.
                  not true. Only - to prove!
                  Finally here it is -
                  http://www.metallick.ru/stati/istoriya_nerzhaveyuwej_stali/
                  http://www.svarkaland.ru/ctati/istoriya-sozdaniya-nerzhaveyushhej-stali
                  means that stainless steel appeared long before 1915 - whoever was there and what later and somewhere wouldn’t have pententated
                  1. 0
                    10 November 2018 11: 33
                    Quote: Heavy Division
                    it's just picking on. All means - that were in particular.

                    This is your link from the book of A. Mack. I threw a question about comfrey from stainless steel to him. I will wait when I answer.
                    Quote: Heavy Division
                    Try to prove it - firstly, that this is a low liability article,

                    I'll try.
                    Quote: Heavy Division
                    This weapon was a combat knife (Nahrkampfmesser).

                    And you translate this "combat knife" from German.
                    Quote: Heavy Division
                    Officially, there was only one option for a combat knife.

                    At least 27 different designs of trench daggers and knives of the period of the First World War with the stigma of military acceptance, i.e. they were officially accepted and purchased for the German army.

                    https://rusknife.com/topic/1278-%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B/
                    Enough, I hope?
                    Quote: Heavy Division
                    means that stainless steel appeared long before 1915 - whoever was there and what later and somewhere wouldn’t have pententated

                    Find me at least one photo of comfrey from stainless steel since the WWI. With an industrial brand. German. feel
                    1. +1
                      10 November 2018 11: 36
                      Well, you have not proved anything.
                      1. +1
                        10 November 2018 11: 48
                        And as for me, I proved that the article you are referring to is of low responsibility. By the way, it is about WWII, not PMV. (Hansa 2008) http://guns.allzip.org/topic/79/388335.html hi
                      2. +2
                        10 November 2018 11: 52
                        that’s what it’s for you.
                        this is not this article and not from there. Compare finally the text.
                        This is not a hansa
                        There is a forum about WWII.
                        And the article is about PMV combat knives hi
                      3. +2
                        10 November 2018 11: 54
                        just in the forum about WWII, someone brings a piece from an article about knives on WWII.
                        You just brought the search engine there. And what they sent was not even an article, but some kind of forum
                      4. +1
                        10 November 2018 11: 58
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        And the article is about PMV combat knives

                        The meaning is the same. Reprint without going into details. One will write garbage, and away we go. Well, where does the WWII?
                      5. +1
                        10 November 2018 12: 03
                        While the forum is about WWII and someone is quoting something about the First knives.
                        And you give out a quote on some forum: a) for the article and b) that I allegedly took it from there.
                        I have not heard about that forum, you just found it through a search engine.
                        And the knives that are indicated in the article are a fact, nothing can be done wink
                      6. +1
                        10 November 2018 13: 02
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        And the knives that are indicated in the article are a fact, nothing can be done

                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        I have not heard about that forum, you just found it through a search engine.
                        And the knives that are indicated in the article are a fact, nothing can be done

                        Wow! They got an article from somewhere, and say that this is a fact. Did you translate the name of the knife?
                        Quote: Heavy Division

                        Officially, there was only one option for a combat knife.

                        But with this "fact" you just got into a puddle.
                      7. +1
                        10 November 2018 13: 19
                        I did not translate anything and am talking about the fact.
                        And you got into a puddle - you, because your opinion is based on some dubious forums there
                        quote from your pearl below
                        Just there is an opinion that there were no such knives.
                      8. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 02
                        If you wander about English, read the BRITISH STAINLESS STEEL ASSOCIATION page and a detailed story about how the idea of ​​a stainless steel has been worn in the air since 1820 and Faraday's research on the corrosion resistance of iron.
                      9. +1
                        10 November 2018 13: 15
                        Quote: Comrade Nikanor
                        If you speak English, read the BRITISH STAINLESS STEEL ASSOCIATION page and a detailed story about how the idea of ​​a stainless steel has been in the air since 1820

                        Again. On an industrial scale, stainless steel for the manufacture of knives began to be used only in PMV. And nothing to do with it. You still give an example to Kutubov’s column.
                      10. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 18
                        What alloy do you call "stainless steel"?
                      11. +1
                        10 November 2018 13: 31
                        Corrosion resistant.
                  2. +5
                    10 November 2018 11: 34
                    We ask the author to focus on the details of the functioning of the assault forces of the first war, especially armament. Let us take into account our interest in knives hi
                    1. +5
                      10 November 2018 11: 36
                      I am joining. Especially on combat knives
                      1. +3
                        10 November 2018 11: 41
                        I have photo albums with images of assault knives of Austria-Hungary and the PMV Germany. With stamps and corresponding signatures. I don’t want to wave this to the Mordvins - and if the author of the article is interested, I will send it to his personal contact. hopefully useful for the following articles
                      2. 0
                        10 November 2018 12: 04
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        I don’t want to wave this to the Mordvins - and if the author of the article is interested, I will send it to his personal contact.

                        Come on, come on. laughing
                      3. +6
                        10 November 2018 12: 09
                        I wrote this for the author, not for you
                      4. +6
                        10 November 2018 12: 10
                        or do you traditionally think that if you don’t know something or you cannot reach something, then this isn’t ?? )))
                      5. +7
                        10 November 2018 12: 24
                        I'll be very grateful hi
                        Thank you in advance!
                      6. +1
                        10 November 2018 17: 25
                        The article is actually very strong
                        What is evidenced around her by the dance of St. Witt rival.
                        The author’s recommendation is to leave his usual peacefulness and remove the shavings from many frankly weak articles on PMV and Guards, which often appear here.
                        And good luck!
                      7. +1
                        10 November 2018 22: 11
                        Quote: Hunghouse
                        The article is actually very strong
                        What is evidenced around her by the dance of St. Witt rival.
                        The author’s recommendation is to leave his usual peacefulness and remove the shavings from many frankly weak articles on PMV and Guards, which often appear here.
                        And good luck!

                        Probably, after all, a "recommendation to the author" ?, and not the author? As for "leaving peace" ----- I do not agree with you now. Let the author continue to research and publish articles on this site, and not waste his time on "shavings". Sincerely.
                      8. +1
                        10 November 2018 12: 34
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        or do you traditionally think that if you don’t know something or you cannot reach something, then this isn’t ??

                        Why did you get this? I didn’t write that there were no military knives from stainless steel in WWI, I wrote that I strongly doubt it. On knife forums I have not seen such.
                      9. +2
                        10 November 2018 12: 41
                        I did not write that there were no combat knives from stainless steel in WWI

                        on this and converge
                        On knife forums I have not seen such

                        that's why you think so? Yeah...
                      10. 0
                        10 November 2018 12: 46
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        that's why you think so? Yeah.

                        Just there is an opinion that there were no such knives.
                      11. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 16
                        Oh my God))
                        Gee))
                        yes you never know and who has opinions in the margins of the Internet
                        experts however))
                      12. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 19
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        yes you never know and who has opinions in the margins of the Internet
                        experts however))

                        Just on RK specialists, including which you quote here.
                      13. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 20
                        are you here forums as evidence bring
                      14. 0
                        10 November 2018 13: 27
                        Wow! I don’t see any point in arguing. You throw links to me, and call the response backyard of the Internet.
                      15. -1
                        10 November 2018 13: 45
                        Let's not distort!
                        Your links to forum opinions
                        mine - on author's articles
                        http://www.metallick.ru/stati/istoriya_nerzhaveyuwej_stali/
                        http://www.svarkaland.ru/ctati/istoriya-sozdaniya-nerzhaveyushhej-stali
                        on professional metal sites
                      16. 0
                        10 November 2018 14: 14
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        Your links to forum opinions

                        Not at all. If you followed my link, then there is one author (A. Mack) who refers to:
                        In writing the text, factual material was used from the book Eugen von Halasz: Deutsche Kampfmesser, Militair-Verlag Klaus D. Patzwall, Norderstedt, 1996.

                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        mine - to copyright articles on professional material sites

                        Have you ever noticed that those "author's" articles by authors actually do not have? These are informational and advertising articles of firms and shops, which are written to order on such sites as "advego", or "text ru.", For example, where I sometimes write on beer. Everyone who is not lazy writes such articles, pulling from different sources, and since they go on sale without authorship, they don't bother with fact-checking. And I did not see ANYTHING in your links about the manufacture of German stainless steel knives in PMV. Except for that ridiculous article which claims
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        Officially, there was only one combat knife option

                        I have already denied this.
                        The picture with a multi-object folding knife from Mack's book has nothing to do with combat knives, and the phrase "a knife of this type" does not mean that such materials were used at the specified time.
                      17. 0
                        10 November 2018 15: 11
                        Nevertheless, they have authors, in contrast to the private opinions of the forum. Our ranting here is not an article.
                        Besides that ridiculous article that claims

                        And what is this article?
                      18. 0
                        10 November 2018 15: 28
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        However, they have authors.

                        I have written dozens of similar articles. They paid, and everyone can continue to do whatever they want with her, and the author is not mentioned. They cost 40 rubles per thousand characters, and therefore they do them in haste.
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        And what is this article?

                        And this is the one that you posted here. Carefully read what you post. I will not bring it entirely.
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        Combat knives of the German army.
                      19. +1
                        10 November 2018 16: 08
                        And, as I understand it, you are Shpakovsky.
                        this phrase
                        I have written dozens of similar articles. They paid, and everyone can continue to do whatever they want with her, and the author is not mentioned. They cost 40 rubles per thousand characters, and therefore they do them in haste.

                        as well as the type of knowledge of metals allow us to testify this with confidence.
                        Yeah, okay.
                        the same one that you posted here. Carefully read what you post. I will not bring it entirely.

                        Yes, I’m respected, I didn’t even have time to refer to it, indicate the author and the source how you got ahead of me, climbed the forums (zeal is certainly laudable), and even brand light behavior
                        and comments something to write off the desire beat off))
                      20. +1
                        10 November 2018 16: 21
                        Quote: Heavy Division

                        And, as I understand it, you are Shpakovsky.

                        laughing good laughing
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        as well as the type of knowledge of metals allow us to testify this with confidence.

                        And sometimes I make knives, and even such a science as metal science passed.
                        Quote: Heavy Division
                        and even brand light behavior
                        and comments write off desire to beat off)

                        Yes, I beat it off so that I do not have time to answer. Wait better than Viktor Nikolayevich’s answer, maybe he will explain to you on the fingers that stainless steel is a kind of alloy steel, but not vice versa.
                      21. 0
                        10 November 2018 17: 32
                        Of course will answer
                        For the dragon is many-headed
                      22. 0
                        10 November 2018 17: 54
                        The same metal expert, but under different identities laughing
                      23. -1
                        10 November 2018 18: 05
                        Quote: Hunghouse
                        The same metal expert, but under different identities laughing

                        Complain to the moderators, tell them that there are two types that have the same thoughts. winked They do not believe that twice two will be five. laughing Incidentally, I also first paid attention to how the author Lee Anfield compared Mauser, but focused on comfrey, as the knife theme is closer to me than the rifle one. I hope that I will not blame me Shpakovsky? recourse
                      24. 0
                        10 November 2018 18: 08
                        I'm deep on the drum who are you
                        A lot of honor ... ((
                      25. 0
                        10 November 2018 18: 12
                        Just talk about it
                        This is suggestive. laughing
                      26. 0
                        10 November 2018 18: 22
                        Quote: Hunghouse
                        This is suggestive.

                        So think about your health, this occupation is useful, you know. winked And I just wanted to know, suddenly someone really heard about comfrey from stainless steel. Alas. crying
                      27. 0
                        10 November 2018 20: 26
                        And you know, thank you. They pushed to very interesting conclusions and probably decisions. And as for the stainless steel, I stay at my point - you drive just traditionally.
                        After all, one anonymous comment means not big articles on the Internet.
                        The main thing - do not rust yourself crying
  6. +8
    10 November 2018 09: 56
    Saturation with automatic small arms and flamethrower weapons, hand and rifle grenades, trench artillery turned the assault units not only into one of the most advanced troops of their time - but also made them a conductor of military progress in the weapons and tactical spheres.
    If I may say so.
    Thank you!
  7. +5
    10 November 2018 11: 24
    Cool article
    Saturated with information, and everything is very clear
    enjoyed reading!
  8. +5
    10 November 2018 11: 41
    The First World War gave a lot to the art of war. New methods and methods of warfare have appeared. Germany took the path of developing assault units in order to overcome the heavily fortified positions of the enemy. That is, roughly speaking, the Germans took the path of developing the combat capabilities of the infantry. It was in the German performance, thanks to the traditional organization, order, good physicality and tactical training of servicemen, good technical equipment and interaction with artillery, that the assault units achieved the greatest development and success during the Great War. This experience was not forgotten by the Germans further. During WWII, the German infantry knew how to fight, knew how to do it, effectively broke the enemy's defenses, and knew how to fight both independently and in cooperation with other branches of the armed forces. Tanks, Ju-87, all this is certainly good, but the main striking force of the Third Reich was the infantry. As one author wrote, "a merciless avalanche in the form of a fieldgrau swept away everything in its path." The origins of the successes of the German infantry during the WWII are largely rooted in the history of the German attack aircraft of the Great War. But the last thing, do not forget about the service that the assault units of Germany rendered later. They constituted an important part of the detachments that suppressed the uprising of the so-called. "Spartacus" and other red sv..chi, ie public, in Berlin and Bavaria in 1918-19.
  9. +3
    10 November 2018 12: 34
    "The blades were made of stainless steel "
    The author’s technical inaccuracies in the comments led to the discussion.
    Stainless steel (correctly corrosion-resistant steel) is just one of the varieties of alloy steels and its field of application is not the manufacture of bladed weapons at all.
    For blades alloy steel could be used, the production of which began in the XNUMXth century.
    The first chromium steel patent was granted in 1865.
    1. +2
      10 November 2018 12: 42
      What are these inaccuracies? Since they themselves wrote that
      Stainless steel (correctly corrosion-resistant steel) is just one type of alloy steel

      All right, whatever one may say
      1. -1
        10 November 2018 14: 09
        The inaccuracy is that they did not make bladed weapons from stainless steel.
        1. 0
          10 November 2018 15: 09
          So only you get it and right?
          But even so, what about the fact that alloy steel is a kind of stainless steel? So they are in the same group.
          1. +2
            10 November 2018 16: 28
            On the contrary, not alloyed steel is a kind of stainless steel, but stainless steel is a kind of alloyed steel.
            Alloy steel is steel containing special alloying additives that allow you to obtain certain mechanical and physical properties.
            As alloying elements, iron, impurities and carbon (carbon steel) are added: nickel, niobium, chromium, manganese, silicon, vanadium, tungsten, nitrogen, copper, cobalt, molybdenum, aluminum, titanium.
            As a result, we get the following groups
            structural alloy steel
            tool alloy steel,
            alloy steel with special chemical and physical properties.
            Further it is worth looking at the special literature.
            1. 0
              10 November 2018 22: 25
              I correctly understood that, in your opinion, the knives were not made of stainless steel and are not made ??
              1. 0
                10 November 2018 22: 57
                These are your words:
                stainless steel blade weapon did not

                Why so hang noodles, Comrade Supreme General Curious ??
              2. +1
                10 November 2018 23: 42
                After all, it was not about knives in general, but specifically about combat or trench knives of the German army during the WWI.
                In order for steel to become "stainless steel", that is, resistant to corrosion in simple industrial and domestic conditions, it must contain at least 13% chromium. This, firstly, significantly increases the cost of the knife, and secondly, complicates the processing technology of such steel.
                Since corrosion resistance is not a decisive property for a trench knife, if it is necessary to quickly organize mass production in wartime conditions, no one needs extra costs and complex technology, especially since Germany does not have its own reserves of chromite. In addition, a combat knife should be easy to handle in field conditions. Accordingly, trench knives will be made from something simpler, perhaps even from simple carbon steel. And the technology for the production of "stainless steel" by that time was still crude. Harry Brearley received the first "stainless steel" ingot in the modern sense in 1913, and even then by accident. This is the case with German trench knives.
                And of course, the knives were made of stainless steel and are being made. Both kitchen and combat. If this was necessary.
                For example, the regular knife of the Bundeswehr Kampfmesser M68 BW of 1968 is made of 4034 stainless steel; 420; 440A or X45CR15.
                But the army knife of the Bundeswehr ASK, adopted in the late eighties, is made of plain carbon steel C92D (the American designation 1095 is more common). Obviously, the customer believes that carbon steel fully provides all the operational characteristics necessary for this knife.
                1. 0
                  11 November 2018 09: 21
                  Then why did you categorically say
                  1)
                  stainless steel blade weapon did not

                  and then the second
                  2) why did they get that such knives were not in the German army of the WWI, if all this was invented at the dawn of the 20th century.
                  Or like the friend above - because they don’t know about it in one forum? But they know on others))
                  1. -1
                    11 November 2018 13: 20
                    Firstly, my "categorical statement" refers exclusively to the trench knives of the German army during the First World War, produced by an industrial method, which are mentioned in the article, and not to knives of all times and peoples, which I try to declare all the time, but all the time you ignore.
                    Secondly, you and any other participant in the discussion can easily refute my "peremptory" statement, but not by any indistinct exclamations, but by referring to any reliable source like Eugen von Halasz: Deutsche Kampfmesser. Band I, Band II, Band III or similar.
                    I will only be grateful, since I have not found information that trench knives of the period of the First World War, Germanic and other countries, were made of "stainless steel".
                    1. +1
                      11 November 2018 16: 49
                      First, my "peremptory statement" refers exclusively to the trench knives of the German army during the First World War.

                      Not at all, dear.
                      you said stainless steel blade weapons not manufactured look above.
                      what is is not true.
                      Next write
                      to the trench knives of the German army of the first world period, manufactured industrially
                      .
                      We look at the article: Daggers, the distinctive weapon of the stormtrooper, were made by him to his own liking.
                      that is, mostly not industrial.
                      Next, we look at the article:
                      T. n. combat knives were significantly different from each other (there was no approved model)
                      Where in the article is it written that all attack aircraft received a single modification of an industrial assault knife ??
                      On the contrary, we read:
                      graduating from different firms

                      and what, firms could not use the technologies that appeared at the beginning of the century? Including stainless steel - for such knives WAS.
                      You are an expert to twist and twist everything. Make black white and vice versa. But the specialist is just that. Maybe this is of course necessary for the number of views - but ugly, and the benefits are zero, and in the future (near) minus.
                      1. 0
                        11 November 2018 17: 11
                        Gosh, if something is incomprehensible to you, or you are not able to understand something, this does not mean that the object of your misunderstanding is incorrect. It only says that your desires are still far from your abilities and capabilities. In this case, you want to attract attention, but you don’t have any interesting information, therefore you are engaged in critical verbiage, trying instead of specific information from specific sources to surprise the world with your conclusions, which are not based on anything.
                        On the site you are not the only one there is, has been and will be. Moreover, such a contingent is not less than 80 percent. So your opinion to me, I'm sorry - to the bulb. I just will know that you should not pay attention to your comments and spend time communicating with the ballast. Good luck.
                      2. 0
                        11 November 2018 17: 14
                        Gosh, if something is incomprehensible to you, or you are not able to understand something, this does not mean that the object of your misunderstanding is incorrect. It only says that your desires are still far from your abilities and capabilities. In this case, you want to attract attention, but you don’t have any interesting information, therefore you are engaged in critical verbiage, trying instead of specific information from specific sources to surprise the world with your conclusions, which are not based on anything.
                        On the site you are not the only one there is, has been and will be. Moreover, such a contingent is not less than 80 percent. So your opinion to me, I'm sorry - to the bulb. I just will know that you should not pay attention to your comments and spend time communicating with the ballast.

                        This is what is called a flood, not a word on the topic. For there is nothing to say - you just have to carefully read Victor's article.
                        And to what percentage I belong - the question is generally quite interesting. For there is nobody here besides you — truth in many faces. If I am mistaken, it is not strong.
                        And all the best to you. Cubed
  10. +3
    10 November 2018 15: 43
    thanks to the author for the article. always very interesting. I have a question for the author: do you have plans to describe not only the hostilities, but also the events in the rear, in the sense of what measures were taken by the belligerents to prevent shell hunger?
    1. +1
      10 November 2018 17: 26
      What does shell hunger have to do with the topic of the article?
  11. -2
    10 November 2018 16: 46
    "In 1914, the infantry regiments of the German army were armed with a Mauser rifle of the 1898 model. Its non-removable magazine (reloading was carried out using a clip) contained 5 rounds. The device of the weapon made it possible to push cartridges into the magazine by pressing the thumb. This feature of Mauser favorably distinguished the rifle from, for example, the English "sister" - the Lee-Enfield rifle. "
    Unfortunately, a very interesting article on the topic has a lot of different erroneous technical information.

    SMLE Mk I when charging. Store cutter open
    Already following the results of the Anglo-Boer Wars of 1899-1902 in South Africa, the British carried out "work on mistakes" and in January 1904 adopted a new model of the Lee-Enfield rifle - "Rifle, Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, Mark I "(Rifle, short, magazine, Lee-Enfield system, sample I) or abbreviated" SMLE Mk I "(Short Magazine Lee-Enfield Mark I), in which the bolt group, made by Lee's design, was modified by the Anfield arsenal, taking into account the loading, and the interfering shutter cover was eliminated, the magazine was equipped through the upper window in the receiver with the shutter open, one cartridge each or from clips for 5 rounds.
    I don’t see anything shameful if the author involves someone who owns such issues for editing. This will only improve without a doubt interesting articles by the author.
    1. +1
      10 November 2018 17: 32
      So it is written
      Even I understood this, in relation to 1898 - when the Mauser rifle appeared. So the information is reliable and interesting.
      The article is interesting not only in topics, but also in content and illustrative content.
      In addition, why do peremptory statements by a number of commentators (without pointing to the source page) claim credibility? They are even more likely to be wrong. Undoubtedly.
      1. -1
        10 November 2018 17: 39
        "Peremptory commentators" - who is this, can you clarify?
        1. 0
          10 November 2018 17: 53
          I see a few of them here
          Think about who, guess twice with two
          1. -1
            10 November 2018 17: 57
            It is clear, love the Field of Miracles.
            1. 0
              10 November 2018 18: 10
              As soon as you get it)
              Provide your judgments for the ultimate truth
              No Field of Miracles Will Help Here request
              1. -1
                10 November 2018 18: 19
                My judgments in this case have nothing to do.

                All claims to the authors of this instruction. Or will you argue with them?
                1. +1
                  10 November 2018 20: 16
                  And I do not understand what this means?
                  Why do I need this cover? Where is the content?
                  And what is it about? Have you read it yourself, or do you have one cover?
                  And in general, what is the essence of the issue? Are you pretending to be ali?
                  In the test, Mauser is compared with Lee Enfield for 98 years.
                  What does the 15th have to do with it ???
                  1. 0
                    10 November 2018 20: 22
                    In 1914 was German infantry regiments were armed with a Mauser rifle sample 1898 Its non-removable store (reloading was carried out using a clip) held 5 rounds. The device of the weapon allowed to push cartridges into the store by pressing the thumb. This feature of Mauser distinguished rifle from, for example, the English "sister" - Lee-Anfield rifle
                    If you do not see the difference between 1898 and the "sample of 1898", it means that you are, excuse me, an ordinary troll, and not even in the "test". All the best.
                    1. +1
                      10 November 2018 20: 29
                      You are the troll. Traditional.
                      The regiments were armed, but this does not mean that it is compared to the 15th year, and not to the 98th.
                      All the best...
                      It only means that you are the owner of the cover of a book of what kind of content. No more.
                      But kruuutoy specialist crying laughing
  12. +4
    10 November 2018 17: 34
    Thanks for continuing the interesting cycle!
  13. +1
    10 November 2018 23: 03
    Interesting article, good photos! Plus, definitely!
    I had to add the author's page to the "favorite authors", suddenly I will miss something interesting!
    hi
  14. -2
    15 November 2018 15: 56
    By pulling the trigger,
    Enchanting, of course. Leave no comments.

    A careful study of the memoirs of Ludendorff did not find any mention of a submachine gun. There is only a short phrase in the long paragraph that Germany in the 1917 year developed a new model of automatic small arms, but they include pistols and machine guns. Moreover, no evidence that the MP MP-18 were going to use in assault operations. From the company Bergman was shipped to the army 10 000 pcs. a month before the end of the war. And no evidence how much they got. And after the war, all the PP had to be withdrawn from the army.
    1. +3
      16 November 2018 08: 37
      Study the next edition

      This is what concerns the MP-18, which was actively used by assault units.
      1. -1
        17 November 2018 19: 21
        Quote: Albatroz
        This is what concerns MR-18

        Since when did OSPREY become an authoritative publication, if it takes material for print from Wikipedia?
        1. +2
          17 November 2018 20: 45
          I do not know what publication Osprey became.
          But the publisher was solid, and prints specialists.
          if he takes the print material from wikipedia?

          Oh really? And can you prove it legally?
          And about this
          A careful study of the memoirs of Ludendorff did not find any mention of submachine guns
          - Do you really think that the general at the headquarters level of the Empire Headquarters will write about some kind of machine guns in his memoirs ?? Is that his level? Such people are writing about what in their memoirs, what do you think ??
          And what did they read besides the memoirs of Ludendorff that were published with us in 1923 and reprinted? After all, he has not only memoirs. What else did you read? I'm just curious
          1. +1
            18 November 2018 07: 44
            Rather, I believe that Wikipedia uses Osprey ...
            Do you really think that the general at the level of the chief of staff of the Headquarters of the empire will write about some machines in his memoirs

            That's right, why should he write about such a trifle in his memoirs. There are instructions, orders for his name. Yes, and much more
          2. 0
            18 November 2018 08: 48
            Here is an excerpt from the pamphlet to which you refer.


            First, an outright lie about 30 machines. Second, translate the marked. It talks about Ludendorff's view of the MP-000. Below is also very interesting about "handly self-defense".
            :)
            So the owl stays on the globe. There was no evidence that the assignment for the development of the software was for the purpose of arming the construction forces and certainly not using them in the PRC, but rather the opposite. There is a vague reference to the opinion of the same Ludendorff that the PP in his opinion should have been used for defense along the Hindenburg line. (Ale, Operation Michel :)).

            If this pamphlet was a serious research, then at the end there would be a list of primary sources, as is customary in the scientific world. So, nauchpop, such as the immortal works of M.Popenker.
            1. +1
              18 November 2018 12: 23
              I do not refer to any brochure ... Where did you get it ??
              What about the answer to my questions:
              A) can you prove that Osprey reprints materials from Wikipedia?
              B) what did Ludendorff read besides his memoirs?
              1. +1
                18 November 2018 12: 25
                And of course, stating:
                frank lies about 30 machines
                tell me not a lie - only without aplomb, indicating an AUTHORIZED source and (attention) - the PAGE of the latter, and not anyone whose links are from the Internet
                1. -1
                  18 November 2018 20: 09
                  Quote: Albatroz
                  report no lies - only without aplomb

                  with pleasure. As soon as you pinpoint where the MP-18 is the trigger and how to click on it.
                  1. +1
                    18 November 2018 22: 23
                    Do you know where the MP-18 trigger and how to press it ?? Are you probably a member of the WWI? laughing
                    Yeah. A good answer is when there is essentially nothing to answer ...
                    That’s a lie, it’s just yours
                    And here is the soldier of those years, and in battle - and he knows better than you how to pull the MP-18 trigger.

                    Oh yes, I forgot - they weren’t there then laughing
                    1. 0
                      19 November 2018 12: 41
                      This photo is a modern reconstruction, do not disgrace.
                      1. 0
                        19 November 2018 22: 28
                        Yes, in my opinion you are your unfounded cries of the type
                        frank lies about 30 machines.
                        shame more
                        This photo is a modern reconstruction, do not disgrace.

                        And how do you prove it?) I would like to know))
                        Okay, good.
                        photo France, 1918

                        what's wrong here?
                      2. 0
                        20 November 2018 16: 20
                        Dude with a gun in a helmet with a gun, without shoulder straps and buttonholes. In various captions to this photo, he is called either a stormtrooper, or just a soldier, or a fighter of frikor. The kid decided to pose. Here is much more real attack aircraft.
                        https://foto-history.livejournal.com/10057644.html и с погонами и кители с пуговками и без кожанных наколенников. И ни одного ПП.
                        Shl. so how about the trigger something? :)
                      3. 0
                        20 November 2018 17: 16
                        What does a kid not a kid
                        It was about that you claim the absence of MP-18 in service with the German army. And the photo is reconstruction.
                        But this photo is not a reconstruction and the MP-18 on it is not it?
                      4. 0
                        20 November 2018 20: 40
                        is not it?

                        Familiar notes, right? Dale Carnegie school or so, an aspiring demagogue? I protect the drain on the trigger. Where did I say about "the absence of the MP-18 in service"? In my opinion, the phrase sounded like this: "no evidence that the MP-18 was going to be used in assault operations." Is not it?
                      5. 0
                        20 November 2018 22: 28
                        How do you know about Carnegie - also a diploma?)))
                        Okay, that is, you deny that the MP-18 was in service with the German assault units?
                    2. 0
                      20 November 2018 16: 36
                      Quote: Albatroz
                      Do you know where the MP-18 trigger and how to press it ?? Are you probably a member of the WWI?

                      How would a diploma gunsmith obliges to know what a trigger and how it is pressed :)
                      1. 0
                        20 November 2018 17: 19
                        Yes, here you can write anything you want - and the fact that you are an agent of the FBI Molder
                        But what, only certified people know how to click on the hook? ))) Scream)))
                        I got 4 trunks in an iron box, you can imagine it too - I know)) And how to disassemble, assemble, and how to press the hooks, albeit without a diploma)) I really took the exam
              2. 0
                19 November 2018 12: 48
                Quote: Albatroz
                I do not refer to any brochure ... Where did you get it ??


                Quote: Albatroz
                Study the next edition
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                  19 November 2018 22: 31
                  So this is not a brochure. A world-famous Osprey series.
                  The level of the monograph. If you didn’t know
                  And one to which we have many as to the moon ...
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    18 November 2018 11: 27
    "Assault" Luger model


    It's just that there is Hochma with a holster fastening, but you can’t see it on yours)
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      18 November 2018 12: 27
      because she and the assault
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        18 November 2018 12: 28
        No, the holster also served as a shock absorber in the butt, which, in fact, isn’t necessary for a gun - not that return
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          18 November 2018 13: 00
          It's clear
          but the model was called assault
          here they are, darlings
          at the 1st front by the way