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Minister of Defense refused boots

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Despite the lack of an alternative, Anatoly Serdyukov does not want to hear about new purchases of felt shoes, in which the fathers and grandfathers of the current soldiers beat the enemy

Minister of Defense refused boots

The Ministry of Defense refused to buy for the soldiers the most famous Russian winter shoes - felt boots. As told to Izvestia in the Ministry of Defense, the reason for this was “an excess in the stocks of felt boots left over from Soviet times.” However, when the stocks run out, the soldiers will have to go in the fierce frosts of army boots - berets - and kersey boots: now the military has no alternative to felt boots.

New models of boots were forbidden for the Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov to buy personally, sources in the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia. At a recent meeting, the minister sharply commented on the development of this type of winter footwear for the troops.

“The generals reported to him about new developments, but he did not want to listen to them,” a meeting participant told Izvestia. At the same time, the minister didn’t argue his dislike for boots.

It is noteworthy that now for soldiers-conscripts no winter shoes, except for boots, is not yet provided.

- For officers there are winter boots with fur, and for soldiers there are berets, tarpaulin boots and, for hard frosts, felt boots. The decision on which shoes to wear is made by the commanders of the units according to the weather, the representative of the Ministry of Defense explained.

It was expected that the new boots, designed specifically for the army, will be tested by the end of the year and will begin deliveries to the troops in 2013 year.

Grigory Shmykov, deputy director of the Yaroslavl factory of felted shoes, the only producer of army boots, confirmed to Izvestia that the purchase of felt boots for the army was stopped.

“As explained to us, all the warehouses are already overwhelmed since Soviet times,” Shmykov explained.

“The presence of reserves plus a reduction in the total number of troops due to a reduction in conscription has led to the fact that the need for felt boots has disappeared,” the source told Izvestia, the reason for the refusal to purchase felt boots. At the same time, the General Staff told Izvestia that the strategic stocks of felt boots would end in the 2013 – 2014 year, “depending on how they will be worn”.

- On average, the boots are designed for several seasons, so for the next year or two there will be enough boots. But then the reserves, of course, will run out if they are not replenished, - explained the representative of the General Staff.

However, manufacturers hope that when strategic reserves come to an end, purchases will resume. In this case, the factory will have to increase production: now almost 70% of the factory’s products are felt boots for various special services, large mining and transport companies that buy these shoes for their employees who are forced to work in the cold outside. To dress the army, the factory will have to seriously increase output.

- The production technology of felt boots has not changed, however, we offer instead of traditional rubber soles polyurethane, which makes felt boots almost 600 g easier. Considering that traditionally army boots are thicker and warmer than civil ones, this makes shoes much easier. In addition, due to the bubbles, polyurethane keeps heat better than rubber, - explained Shmykov.

According to him, felt boots without soles can be supplied to the troops at the price of 600 – 800 rubles, with rubber soles — 850 – 1,1 thousand rubles. At the same time, felt boots with a polyurethane sole are cheaper than rubber ones.

The situation with the supply of boots is complicated by the fact that there are no GOSTs on the polyurethane sole. Therefore, before the procurement of the military to develop and adopt a new standard. And this can take considerable time.

The Defense Ministry told Izvestia that they were ready to place an order for felt boots within a month after the warehouses were empty.

- We have a reserve for an emergency. If suddenly the boots suddenly run out, we will purchase them within a month, - explained the representative of the Ministry of Defense.

He stressed that when placing an order, the military will take into account the potential of the industry, which, according to their calculations, needs “3 – 4 of the month for production promotion”.
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  1. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 31 May 2012 11: 50
    +19
    Serdyukov - and not be treated ....
    at first the people froze in a new form - now it also cancels the felt boots - he would have to run in the frost in syntentics and berets in a 20 degree frost ...
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 31 May 2012 12: 14
      +12
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      he himself would run in frosty synthetics and berets in a 20 degree frost ...

      I will never forget the winter guard. Frost to -30, according to the charter, the time on duty is reduced from 2 hours to 1 hour, if it were not for felt boots and sheepskin coats, frostbite could not be avoided. March in cars in winter, too, without boots "hanger". It’s a strange decision, I don’t think that the purchase of felt boots makes a hole in the military budget. They will buy one Mercedes less for a military bureaucrat, but they will save the soldiers' legs
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 31 May 2012 12: 30
        +12
        Quote: Aleksey67
        I will never forget the winter guards. Frost to -30

        During the service and before -54 I had to test myself, if it weren’t for the boots, we would have stood without legs. Serdyuk is probably going to breed in the tropics of the guard ....
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 31 May 2012 12: 37
          +6
          Quote: Tersky
          During the service and before -54, I had to test myself, if it weren’t for boots, we would have stood without legs

          Victor, and we spent the winter camps in the 3rd year. For two weeks in the field, we spent the night in tents USB-56, heated with stoves, and during the training day, they rescued jackets, wadded trousers, felt boots, earflaps and three-fingered gloves. "Vshivniki" (who served knows that civil sweaters and sweaters were called) also each had underpants and underwear shirts (shorts and T-shirts cannot be compared)
        2. VAF
          VAF 31 May 2012 13: 46
          +7
          Quote: Tersky
          I had to test myself during the service and before -54


          I confirm, in Ukurei in the "outhouse" without felt boots .... consider it "hit", although we had high fur boots, but not all of the "rest" servicemen had ...

          Pims from the locals scattered with a bang "" "
          Landing. Field exit.
          When a company needs to run for half a day and crawl in the frost in the snow, and then spend the night there, then without felt boots, in "modern boots from Yu and Taburetkin" - in a day the company will be ineffective !!!
        3. VAF
          VAF 31 May 2012 14: 03
          +6
          Quote: Tersky
          if it weren’t for valenoks, they would have stood without legs.


          Vitya. we know about this not only (having tested on our own hump) but also our "friends" the Chinese:

          How can one reliably verify the absence of heat-loving Chinese plans to capture Siberia and the Far East ???



          Yes, very simple, just look at the winter uniforms of their army:

          1. Wearable electrical sleeveless jacket, with wires.
          Can you imagine military carts carrying not cartridges, but billions of batteries freezing in the hills of the army?
          No, this miracle of thought worn on a Chinese soldier is not intended for its owner to carry it over the fence of a military unit, beyond patrol towers equipped with stationary sockets.


          2.A staffing sheepskin coat and mittens sewn from albino cheburashka fur:



          3.And the most important and important thing is the absence of felt boots in the Chinese army. The Chinese soldiers can, until they turn blue, wrap a hybrid of stockings and stripper boots on the platform, modern winding options,
          but ........ until the Chinese army adopts natural boots and high boots, similar to those we have in service - we can sleep almost calmly - China has no plans or opportunities to conduct military operations with us.
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 31 May 2012 14: 09
            +3
            Our three-fingered glove is more serious than this Chinese craft will be)
            1. VAF
              VAF 31 May 2012 14: 21
              +2
              Quote: Eugene
              Our three-fingered glove is more serious than this Chinese craft.


              Eugene, not just more serious, but much more serious!

              And about these, so I generally keep quiet ... +!


              And what was one mabuta worth ?? !! And they are trying to compare it with the gateless digit from Yu ..... ???? fool
              1. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 31 May 2012 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: veteran.air force
                Eugene, not just more serious, but much more serious! And about these, so I generally keep quiet ... +!

                All the same, the emphasis on natural materials, rather than supersynthetics, significantly improved comfort. I am not against modern technologies and I myself use thermal underwear on winter fishing and hunting, but there are so many conditions for its "maintenance" that it simply will not work in the troops, it will be spoiled after the first wash winked
      2. танк
        танк 31 May 2012 13: 20
        +5
        They will buy one Mercedes less for a military bureaucrat, but they will save the soldiers' legs


        Well, they made us laugh, to abandon the Merc for the sake of some people of us. I won’t believe it !!!
      3. VAF
        VAF 31 May 2012 13: 37
        +6
        Quote: Aleksey67
        I will never forget the winter guards.


        Lyosha, what are the guards .. (Taburetkin did not hear about this and does not know) !!!

        Even the "beloved guardians of order" and then ..... in felt boots:


        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 31 May 2012 13: 39
          +5
          Quote: veteran.air force
          Even the "beloved guardians of order" and then ..... in felt boots:

          Sergey, if you have a photo that is not a 100% hit, you should be awarded the title of "photosniper" on this site good drinks An interesting defense on felt boots, I first saw goalkeepers smile
          1. VAF
            VAF 31 May 2012 13: 53
            +5
            Quote: Aleksey67
            Sergey, you, that not a photo is 100% hit


            Lyosha, I'm very grateful .... +! But all my life I was taught to "hit" (every missile bomb to the target!), But now for the absence of the latter (unfortunately, pensioners are not given ...), then only photo facts remain!

            Now "lay out for the Chinese, especially since there was an article about them about amers today!
            1. marshes
              marshes 31 May 2012 15: 09
              +3
              veteran.air force Hello, you are aware that there is an alternative, a little expensive, smile boots, high fur boots inside. There is also a jumpsuit on the fur. smile In winter I put on fishing and hunting, -30s with the wind withstands already sweating smile
              1. VAF
                VAF 31 May 2012 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: marshes
                Hello, you are aware that there is an alternative, a little expensive


                Hi, of course I know, all the kits are available and are simple and supersonic and camouflage ...
                Until now, in camouflage, I go and go and do not hesitate !!! True, the stripes are all removed ... it is useless.
                Well, such a charm as "winter boots" was canceled in 1985, when marked, but on supersonic ones, there were no initially winter boots (for example, ankle boots, only higher and ... heavier, and in them fur boots and camel socks) ...
                -30 is not enough for you, if in "tanned" (supersonic) and in high fur boots and -45 it is very comfortable, only a "pug" is desirable also in a winter comforter "!
                1. marshes
                  marshes 31 May 2012 15: 50
                  +1
                  At one time we had Turkish winter boots, "ankle boots", the top felt - it's bad that the sole was cracking from our frost, so I preferred boots or felt boots.
        2. Neighbor
          Neighbor 31 May 2012 16: 58
          +3
          At our place of work - in winter - all boots are required! How without them - to work on the street at minus 30!? In boots - after 5 minutes, legs ........ yut!
          I personally - generally like boots. Lightweight, comfortable and warm. And according to research - also Healthy.
          I would go around the city in them - yes, it's a pity - people may not understand - some. I had to - here - buy Colambia for 6.000r. Winter.
          Frankly - Thing! At minus 30 - the legs are already hot. Frost - not felt at all. But the price ... is a little expensive.
          So - boots - they rule !!!
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 00
            -3
            Shoes are different
    2. YARY
      YARY 31 May 2012 12: 16
      +5
      Sir Duke - what do you take? !!
      1. Shumer
        Shumer 31 May 2012 12: 36
        +6
        Yes, I remember the felt boots during my service with warmth in my soul, they really just saved me on guard.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 31 May 2012 13: 57
          +7
          During the collapse of the union in 92g. we transferred from Tashkent to a military school in Chelyabinsk. And here at the age of 20 I saw skiing for the first time. Like we have a cross or march throw. so there is a standard 5 km ski. Well, we got up on skis, but I don’t know how to go, and all the old-timers bypass us like standing men and yell-SKI !!! Well, we stood with a friend, he takes off the shtaketin and the pine. The type is broken. Well, I followed, but more humanely just folded everything, tied it with a cord and under the arm. And we ran on foot. God didn’t offend us with health, both athletes ... Well, out of 112 people, we finished third. I am the fifth. Tell me what boots? We fled not in boots but in boots.
  2. Vadivak
    Vadivak 31 May 2012 11: 54
    +12
    The Germans also did not believe in the benefits of boots, until they felt
    1. Armata
      Armata 31 May 2012 11: 57
      +12
      In solar Magadan, he would have to arrange an excursion for life. There I would understand the benefits of boots and warm clothes.
    2. Eugene
      Eugene 31 May 2012 12: 28
      +3
      So a German like in windings and bast shoes?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 31 May 2012 12: 43
        +6
        Quote: Eugene
        So a German like in windings and bast shoes?


        Therefore, in bast shoes. Would he have boots?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 31 May 2012 12: 52
          +5
          Vadim, and here it’s good that the Germans didn’t have felt boots.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 31 May 2012 14: 10
            +5
            Quote: vorobey
            Vadim, and here it’s good that the Germans didn’t have felt boots.


            Here I am about the same
  3. marshes
    marshes 31 May 2012 12: 09
    +5
    Valenki is a unique invention! good
  4. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf 31 May 2012 12: 19
    +5
    Yes, he said the truth - the warehouses are really littered with them. And the difference in the sole will not be so noticeable for soldiers who are already used to wearing heavy clothes and ammunition.
    Just need a brand new, more comfortable, and not inferior in heat shoes. Boots are boots, but it is time to release truly boots 2.0!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 31 May 2012 12: 33
      +8
      Quote: xzWhiteWolf
      Felt boots are felt boots, but it is time to release truly Felt boots 2.0!

      First you need to release it, and then otkazyvatsya from what we have for today. The winged phrase - "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always", in the Russian state it did not lose its relevance.
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 31 May 2012 12: 39
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        First you need to release it, and then otkazyvatsya from what we have for today. The winged phrase - "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always", in the Russian state it did not lose its relevance.

        Vit, it seems to me the next "cut" and "derbagan" is to be. Someone will profit, but the soldier's health FSUs ..
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 31 May 2012 14: 44
          +3
          Quote: Aleksey67
          Vit, it seems to me the next "cut" and "derbagan" is to be.

          Lyosha oh how non-excluded, soon the pancake will be cooked on the toilets ... They will give out two sticks, one in the snow, so that the wind does not blow off, the second-drive off the wolves ...
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 31 May 2012 14: 47
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            Lyosha oh how non-excluded, soon the pancake will be cooked on the toilets ... They will give out two sticks, one in the snow, so that the wind does not blow off, the second-drive off the wolves ...

            Chukchi anek toilet laughing
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 14
        +2
        Do not write that they refuse. They write that they stop temporarily purchases. Does the word TEMPORARY mean something? Temporarily, because the warehouses are filled with felt boots, and the money can be spent on something more necessary, no?
    2. marshes
      marshes 31 May 2012 12: 34
      +6
      Quote: xzWhiteWolf

      Yes, he said the truth - the warehouses are really littered with them

      And that moths do not eat them, we only had time to write off the capers, it’s good that the insoles for boots and boots were cut out.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 31 May 2012 12: 38
    +7
    The Minister of boots, and that's about abandoned boots.
    1. Armata
      Armata 31 May 2012 12: 45
      +5
      Competition is grounded good
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 31 May 2012 12: 51
        +6
        you guys are wrong. His name is TOS-1. Burns out the blood acquired by fire.
        On the sidelines of the MO in front of the women it is inconvenient to flaunt in wreaths. I bet the next will be skiing in them in the car is uncomfortable to get in.
        1. Korvin
          Korvin 1 June 2012 01: 06
          +1
          Wait for Uggi from Yudashkin. Baba will appreciate)))))
  6. Aleksey67
    Aleksey67 31 May 2012 12: 40
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The Minister of boots, and that's about abandoned boots.

    In order not to be confused laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2012 14: 10
      +3
      Joking as a joke, but I already like it. Yes, the situation in the world.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 31 May 2012 21: 00
      +3
      Quote: Aleksey67
      In order not to be confused

      Lesha, do not confuse, No. for felt boots fellow and felt boots fool different legs ... wink . laughing
  7. vorobey
    vorobey 31 May 2012 12: 48
    +10
    A L B O ... B.
    1. Big lexey
      Big lexey 31 May 2012 13: 33
      +4
      I think this is an overly liberal statement about this "wisdom" condom.
  8. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 31 May 2012 12: 49
    +5
    Sorry, I'm not in a good mood today. He's just a "radish" out of touch with reality. Standing on guard at -20 is not for you to walk down the red carpet from your limousine with flashing lights to the front door with a maximum of 10 meters. And what the serious kneading ended in the winter of the 41st, the Germans still remember - those of them that did not freeze in the end.
  9. vorobey
    vorobey 31 May 2012 13: 10
    +3
    Valenok version 2.0

    Version 2.0.1 ceremonial
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 31 May 2012 13: 11
      +2
      Version 2.0 everyday for autobahns
  10. Oleg777
    Oleg777 31 May 2012 13: 28
    -7
    Valenoks of course this is very good, but in the courtyard of 21 centuries what kind of hu ... I, not at all funny
    1. Armata
      Armata 31 May 2012 13: 36
      +3
      Suggest an alternative.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 May 2012 18: 52
        -4
        Winter boots - there is such a thing. An order of magnitude more convenient boots, by the way, with modern materials - are not inferior in warmth.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 31 May 2012 13: 45
      +5
      Dear Oleg, in a clean field in the snow you’ll freeze knee-deep at minus 38 days, and then I will gladly listen to what the hell is this .. I’m such a felt boot. and believe in the word of something better until you came up with in the 21st century. As well as the good old felt overcoat. She will give you a blanket and a tent and a quilted jacket even warm wet through. Natural felt has this property.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 31 May 2012 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: Steam Train
        Suggest an alternative.

        You know, poking around, poking around and finding nothing. I mean analogues in overseas armies. Maybe someone will find than the adversaries warm their feet in the ice-makers-publish please.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 May 2012 18: 52
          -3
          Winter boots are used in overseas armies. And special insulated overalls.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 22
          0
          If you read in English - here is a very detailed document.

          http://www.usarak.army.mil/ncoa/ncotoolkit/USARAK%20Blue%20Book.pdf
      2. Oleg777
        Oleg777 31 May 2012 18: 05
        +1
        Of course, I understand everything, I’m saying that all boots are good, I used to ride such boots in my childhood, but I don’t feel legs afterwards to run, and I wouldn’t say that they warm well if there are camps, and the technology is made of frost-resistant shoes, and us and the Finns only here at the Finns that this shoe has long been ama all boots with NZ we carry.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 00
        0
        The old felt overcoat, according to all memories, was blown by all the winds, and served mainly because it was cheap and easy to produce. At the same time, the officer's cloth and the soldiers' clothes differed sharply in quality.
        1. Armata
          Armata 31 May 2012 19: 18
          +3
          Pimpled. Do not remember old verses. Nobody has come up with a better overcoat. Himself in the Northern Fleet in such a shift stood.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 May 2012 22: 08
            +2
            Fleece ever worn? And the warmed overalls? Is a modern warmed military jacket really good? The difference is quite palpable.
  11. Odessa
    Odessa 31 May 2012 13: 52
    +4
    Russian military exercises on a nuclear submarine. At the rate behind our submarine is an American. Our boat suddenly got up and the Americans cut in an acoustic wiretap to find the exact location of the Russian boat, and they heard legible screams: Who threw the boots on the control panel ?! I said who threw boots on the control panel? !! Then the Americans could not stand it - went on the air: - Here in America we don’t have such a mess, ......, - There is no more of your America ... Who threw the felt boots on the control panel ??? !!!
  12. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 31 May 2012 14: 09
    0
    here it is nedorga and luxurious replacement of boots amers such in the 20 years came up with esche main advantages do not get wet and comfortable to run. They even cost in the Arctic use about 2500 rubles. Garnished heated to -54 degrees
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 31 May 2012 14: 12
      +5
      on fish fur?
    2. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 31 May 2012 14: 12
      +2
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      here it is nedorga and luxurious replacement of boots amers came up with this in 20 years

      4 times more expensive winked
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      Garnished heated to -54 degrees

      Warm due to what? belay Can they keep heat?
      1. FTALL
        FTALL 31 May 2012 14: 26
        +2
        + special socks and air gap between the rubber layers (valve for comparing pressure in case of jumping from high altitudes)
        1. Dmitry.V
          Dmitry.V 31 May 2012 14: 46
          +1
          And we will have a maximum of only boots and those 300 pieces for the entire army, and the rest will be either in some sort of mansion or in a Mercedes. Plus how many sick soldiers will receive ...
    3. almost demobil
      almost demobil 31 May 2012 17: 02
      +1
      Some flimsy ... recourse
  13. Vanek
    Vanek 31 May 2012 14: 43
    +5
    Refusal of boots - ideotism!
  14. Manager
    Manager 31 May 2012 14: 44
    +3
    Fortunately, we live in the 21st century. We need to come up with an alternative to felt boots. More convenient. But you need to save boots! Even new ones must be purchased!
  15. Nechai
    Nechai 31 May 2012 14: 46
    +5
    Quote: vorobey
    And here at the age of 20 I saw skiing for the first time. Like we have a cross or march throw. so there is a standard 5 km ski. Well, we got up on skis, but I don’t know how to go, and all the old-timers bypass us like standing men and yell-SKI !!!

    We had a company commander in the battalion, he also finished Chirchikskoye. Here is 1.01. as always from the morning, the command of the division loaded the "ski ten" (the counter was then - everyone is obliged to run 500 km on skis during the winter). He overtook Lyokha and his nukers with his eagles, already somewhere in the first kilometers. They chain, skis on the shoulder next to the ski piste. Later he told me at the PPD, over a mug of "tea", he told me that he had never seen skis in his southern Ukraine, in Chirchik, or in the GSVG. Only here and now. "And you know what I understand? Skiing is not a luxury, but not a means of transportation !!!"
    Well, about "The Minister of Defense refused to wear boots.", It is just that we and the gentlemen who are shaping the "new look" of the Armed Forces have different, diametrically opposed goals and objectives. And such a step MO logically follows, as a continuation, of all the previous ones. If the enemy cannot conduct b / actions in severe frost, why should our troops have such an opportunity? True?. So that is logical. War must be fought in a comfortable environment. Professionals, after all, are going to fight, their mother, through a rocker. The thermometer dropped below -15, -20C. All alles! No war. We are waiting for the warming. Why provide your troops with advantages. No, this is not their way. "At the wizard Suleiman, all honestly, no deception!" The enemy cannot, now we will not fight, well, we will not, otherwise it will not be very noble, not humanly.
    This reminds me of how the amers fought in Vietnam: the Vietoong drove the manoeho from the mornings, then the siesta. The sun at sunset, begins to sit - their officers on helicopters and Saigon. Tavernas, eateries and 2 million prostitutes are at their service all night. From the mongrel, having become sober, on the sides and on the war board, the afternoon. Civilization. Civilizers. And these Russian villains urged the cross-eyed to fight both day and night and in the midday heat. Bastards! Neither any feud and bliss nor give a feel. What to take from them - savages. Asianness ....
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 31 May 2012 14: 58
      +1
      Americans in - 50 can have a multi-layered uniform in which you can run in natarctica and the shoes are appropriate just if they decided to buy such things then I understand and accept, since boots then look like onochism.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 31 May 2012 15: 37
        +4
        Quote: Nechai
        If the enemy is not able to conduct b / action in severe frost, so why should our troops have such an opportunity? Truth?. So that is logical. War must be waged in comfortable conditions.

        And according to the routine, like Baron Munchausen’s

        7.00 - rise
        8.00 - breakfast
        11.00 - opening
        12.00 - feat.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 03
      +1
      Well, where is the rejection of felt boots, eh? Did you read the article? There is a waiver of purchases due to oversupply of stocks.

      And where did the nonsense about Vietnam dug up?
  16. Kite
    Kite 31 May 2012 15: 12
    +5
    Yes, warm in felt boots and are inexpensive, but there are also disadvantages: mass production under the "average foot" (not left - not right) - it's not good to run at the same time. They slide strongly, the rubber outsole is heavy, but not durable, they get wet and dry for a long time.
    If there was more money, then modern shoes for low temperatures should be stocked up. Fans of winter hunting and fishing know that interesting boots have already appeared.
    1. Armata
      Armata 31 May 2012 15: 22
      +3
      It is there, but as it was correctly noticed, the cost bites. For example, the same husky is an excellent replacement (although inside they also have a felt stocking) they cost more than 5000 thousand per pair, now such a luxury is expensive.
      1. Kite
        Kite 31 May 2012 15: 50
        +2
        About that and speech! But I still want better!
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 31 May 2012 15: 58
        +1
        yes Zhenya, vodka Husky excellent replacement boots (Just kidding)
  17. vorobey
    vorobey 31 May 2012 16: 04
    +4
    yes Zhenya, vodka Husky excellent replacement boots (Just kidding)
  18. Nechai
    Nechai 31 May 2012 16: 52
    +3
    Actually, so as not to be expensive and warm - there are Chesanki. Ordinary boots, only heel back with leather trim. And galoshes would be good polyurethane, deep. And with a clasp so as not to fly. Two pairs of partials for each leg - x \ and cloth. And everything will be hurt !. In any frost, NE freezes! And you can dry quickly, less. Of course, a machine roll cannot be compared with a manual one, but if the machine ones are knocked out skillfully, then there will be no one confusing the right foot with the left one either. And notice, global warming talk has subsided. Winters then started until they were severe, but Europeans are already squeaking.
    In Kiev, I once observed a situevina - winter and frost pressed down notably that morning. There is a crowd at the tram stop. Dancing little by little. And calmly so exalted over her UNCLE. In the casing. Chesonkakh. He has a fur hat. Verkhonki. The muzzle is red! It gives away fresh vodka and tsibuli a mile away. A side by side, in a denim suit (the rage back then) and PID ... ERC jumped puny such a young black man. He jumped, jumped and began to subside. Here the Uncle of this black boy is on the shoulder with his trusting hand and saying: "Well, sho? Zmas, Mowgli?"
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 31 May 2012 16: 57
      +3
      Yes, Valery, by the way, a tailor as she is not haut and is not called an anachronism will give a head start to another 50 years.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 04
        -2
        You did not wear high quality army socks
        1. Armata
          Armata 31 May 2012 19: 20
          +2
          Pimpy and did you serve a code in Severomorsk?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 26
            +2
            True, a miracle, to know something, do not necessarily serve in Severomorsk? I have been in the North, and I had to work outside with minus 35-40. I repeat, not saying that boots are not completely needed. And in the article, by the way, it is stated that nobody refuses them - temporarily stop purchasing. I just have the feeling that when mentioning the name Serdyukov, most of the members of the forum diligently begin to turn off their heads and intellect. And, you will be surprised - how can the Americans survive in Alaska, where they have several bases, and where conditions are similar to those in the Russian North? Boots - not aximoma. Like footcloths. Today's industry and modern technologies are able to produce high-quality materials that are more convenient, better, more wearable, etc. And the impression is created that the majority here wants to run in their overcoats and felt boots. Oh well. Enjoy your stay in the last century.
  19. Nechai
    Nechai 31 May 2012 17: 39
    +1
    Quote: vorobey
    By the way, a tailor, as she is not wounded and is not called an anachronism, will give a head start to another 50 years.

    Well, so a week you can easily "wear" and not blow your mustache. And socks - how many pairs of them will you need on a hot day? And where to ERASE them in the field ?! And dry on yourself? From the latest materials, clothes are breathable, normal in summer. BUT already on the third day such a dukhan begins to walk. No disguise will help - the enemy will identify you by smell from a kilometer away. Japs have tried fibers with silver, but it comes out very expensive, even for their astronauts. Stopped for disposable linen. (and the whole ISS crew stoically endured the smell of the Japanese - after all, the person himself consumes, the task is this
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 06
      -2
      Have you ever worn high-quality MODERN army socks? I am yes.

      You can not remove them for two weeks, they absorb sweat perfectly, have anti-fungal properties. They are not hot in summer and warm in winter. I still have seven pairs, from the army, 10 have been living for years, and they regularly rush. This is called - quality army socks.



      Just like fleece, it is more comfortable and warmer than wool.
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 31 May 2012 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        They can not be removed for two weeks, they perfectly absorb sweat, have anti-fungal properties. They are not hot in the summer, and warm in the winter. I still have seven pairs, from the army, have been living for 10 years and are worn regularlyI am. This is called high-quality army socks.

        It's a little differently called wassat
        Anek in the subject:
        B. - Doctor, look, my legs are constantly itching.
        D. staring intently and squeamishly. - Have you tried to wash them?
        B. - Washed, the month is normal, and then they begin to itch again wassat
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 May 2012 19: 13
          -1
          Ridiculous. But with a beard. 8)

          But seriously - really high-quality army socks have been around for many years, I don’t know how in Russia, but they are very actively produced abroad. And judging by the personal experience - they make them very high.
          1. Armata
            Armata 31 May 2012 19: 44
            +3
            Oh pimply you would go to the far north.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 31 May 2012 19: 48
              +2
              Quote: Steam Train
              Oh pimply you would go to the far north.

              I am also struck by this individual, who served in Israel and discusses the usefulness of felt boots. Boots in Israel really will not compete with sandals smile
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 31 May 2012 21: 59
                0
                I have both military grandfathers, officers, and one large part of the service was conducted in very cold conditions, and mainly in the air, quite a lot of friends in the army, both served and in active service. He, too, did not grow on the bench, he also wore felt boots, like winter boots. Why do you think the officers now wear winter boots, and soldiers wear boots?
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 31 May 2012 22: 03
              0
              I was there, and I do not deny the usefulness of boots. Just be surprised at how advanced modern technology in terms of shoes, new fabrics and other things.
              1. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 31 May 2012 22: 08
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                Just be surprised at how advanced technology has advanced in terms of shoes, new fabrics, and more.

                He opened his eyes, and here we are in bast shoes and a lot of hugs with bears, we go when we drink vodka and eat caviar and play balalaikas. laughing But is this not modern anymore? And the men do not even know ... recourse
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 29
                  +2
                  Lesh, well, at least multi-layered winter boots, fleece, high-quality military socks, heating bags.
                  Count up, and you can't drink vodka in the cold, because the warming effect is temporary, and then the opposite effect occurs - a sharp overcooling.
                  1. Aleksey67
                    Aleksey67 31 May 2012 23: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Lesh, well, at least multi-layered winter boots, fleece, high-quality military socks, heating bags.

                    I know, but "Russians have their own pride" (classic) smile
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Count it, and you can’t drink vodka even in the cold

                    What is this heresy? You can drink vodka anytime, anywhere, and if it freezes in the cold, you can gnaw it laughing
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 June 2012 00: 17
                      +1
                      So I say - you can not drink, you can gnaw smile
          2. Odessa
            Odessa 31 May 2012 20: 45
            +1
            Pimpled (1), as for Israel, they wear the most ordinary cotton socks, but a fair amount of talcum powder (dusting powder for the feet, to avoid the appearance of fungal diseases resulting from high air temperature and humid climate) is covered in them. This powder is an analogue of baby powder, for babies wearing diapers. That's the whole secret.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 31 May 2012 20: 49
              +5
              Quote: Odessa
              as for Israel, the most ordinary cotton socks are worn, but a fair amount of talcum powder (dusting powder for the feet, to avoid the appearance of fungal diseases resulting from high air temperature and humid climate) are covered in them.

              I now understand why Pimpled is wearing it for 2 weeks without taking off her socks. He saves talc (a good Jewish habit smile ) I think he sleeps in them (saving above all laughing )
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 31 May 2012 21: 54
                +2
                Quote: Aleksey67
                so I think he sleeps in them (saving above all

                No, wrong Alex No. , afraid that the Russians will soprut and copy the technology! And then Amer will come full zvizdets yes sprinkle talcum powder from socks as fleas die out lol
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 31 May 2012 21: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Tersky
                  sprinkle talcum powder from socks, as fleas die out

                  Victor, here everything is much "thinner", in two weeks the socks become weapons of mass destruction, but shhh this is the most terrible Jewish military secret laughing
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 31 May 2012 22: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    but shhh it's the worst Jewish military secret

                    Alex, I understand. yes.... grave .. drinks !
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 31 May 2012 21: 57
                0
                Above gave a comment
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 31 May 2012 21: 56
              -1
              Odessa woman, well, you don't understand - don't meddle. Cotton with a 2010% addition of synthetics is received only by girls wearing open shoes. Everyone who wears closed-toe shoes gets a modern "crest of tsvai", where a complex composition, including both natural and synthetic components, including, in particular, lycra, coolmax, and so on. New, improved socks that, in particular, help fight fungus, were introduced to the army in XNUMX.

              http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/28jan2010/nouveaute_003.html

              Won the tender company Cupron Scientific. The composition of the new socks, is, in particular, copper

              http://www.newsru.co.il/finance/14dec2010/cupron308.html

              http://www.cupron.com/
              1. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 31 May 2012 21: 59
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                Odessa, well, do not understand - do not meddle.

                Late rush, you burned. Streamline laughing Now tell us about modern thongs that have remained from service and have served faithfully for 10 years. wassat
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 May 2012 22: 06
                  +1
                  Lesh, shhh! Thong stored as a memory. Socks - wear. wink
                  1. Aleksey67
                    Aleksey67 31 May 2012 22: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Lesh, shhh! I keep thongs as a memory. Socks - I wear

                    Well, at least with a sense of humor, everything is fine good drinks
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 09
                      +1
                      Well, what do I keep it on the shelf? wink
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 31 May 2012 22: 10
                +1
                Pimpled (1), please do not shut my mouth, I don’t shave if I don’t know, socks, T-shirts, T-shirts and laces bully at their own expense bought, not to mention women's underwear!
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 31 May 2012 22: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  not to mention women's underwear!

                  photo in studio laughing Don't believe
                  1. Odessa
                    Odessa 31 May 2012 22: 49
                    +1
                    Aleksey67, will have to take a word, proceeding from the moral aspect and aesthetics. yes
                    1. Aleksey67
                      Aleksey67 31 May 2012 22: 53
                      -1
                      Quote: Odessa
                      will have to take a word, starting from the moral aspect and aesthetics

                      The people will understand the neglect of the norms of the moral aspect and aesthetics, for the sake of establishing the truth fellow
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 31 May 2012 23: 11
                        +3
                        Aleksey67, here, the truth is the old IDF scandal, unloading instead of linen (infa for free use).
                      2. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 31 May 2012 23: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Odessa
                        , here, the truth is the old IDF scandal, instead of linen unloading (infa for free use).

                        Esther, I am not a prophet, but for this photo you will probably become a marshal love
                        Why bunks instead of beds belay
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 31
                        +2
                        Room at the base. Single beds are usually in tents. in rooms - 6-8 people, as a rule, bunk beds.
                      4. Odessa
                        Odessa 31 May 2012 23: 33
                        +2
                        These are not bunks, these are bunk beds, for a favorable sleep of defenders and defenders.
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 31 May 2012 23: 08
                  0
                  What and speech. The talk is about army socks used in closed shoes. The girls wear, with the exception of combat units, open shoes, black open sneakers, sandals, to which cotton socks with 10% synthetics are issued. However, to attribute them to the socks, which are still a large part of the Israeli army - wrong.
                  1. Odessa
                    Odessa 31 May 2012 23: 41
                    +1
                    Pimpled (1), horseshoes, as the Russian-speaking sergeant of the contingent is called, army shoes have nothing to do with the discussion about felt boots, you darling, have been distracted from the topic.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 1 June 2012 00: 25
                      +1
                      Not distracted. There it was about footcloths, and how amazingly good they are, like felt boots. That developed the topic.

                      By the way, the question arises to me - did the majority of citizens read the article under which they were fighting so fiercely? Valenki is not canceled, but simply temporarily stopped buying, the usual theme, by the way, with an excess of this or that stock. But at the mention of Serdyukov-Taburetkina here everywhere such hysteria begins ...

                      Horseshoes, when it comes to Israel, were the names of the extremely heavy boots of taxi drivers, with metal inserts inserted into their noses, which sharply distinguished them even from the Quedot. 8)

                      By the way, what does Yamam do in the photo in the army topic? Pure police because the unit.
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 1 June 2012 01: 18
                        0
                        That's right, Yamam, it didn’t work out a link, there is a general classification of shoes for both the army and the police. But felt boots are good, felt shoes, and in Russian winter, there are no more analogues in the world. good
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 1 June 2012 02: 57
                        +1
                        Not really. The army BELLEVILLE.

                        [img] http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg413/scaled.php?server=413&filename=2eydf7n
                        .jpg & res = landing [/ img]


                        The army and police special forces, depending on the special forces, may have their own shoes on everyone.

                        The 13 shoe has a shoe designed specifically for them by Timberland.


                        Yamam, like, actively yuzal Caterpillar. Also, if I am not mistaken la sportiva with vibramovskoy soles - in Matcal.

                        For the winter - Canadian fur, and footwear for Hermon Special Forces.

                        I do not argue about boots - there are no analogues. And the fact that "there are no better ones" - I disagree.
                      3. Odessa
                        Odessa 1 June 2012 09: 49
                        0
                        Pimpled (1), that's right, for snowy Hermon and appropriate shoes, by the way on Hermon, felt boots would be useful.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 1 June 2012 19: 15
                        -1
                        Well, boots do not stand next to good winter shoes. Plus - mass and relative cheapness. Cons - also to fig
  20. Korvin
    Korvin 1 June 2012 01: 19
    -1
    Soon, frostbite of the legs ((((