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An example of the degradation of the tank industry of Ukraine

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The report of the Ukrainian state-owned company Ukrspetsexport suggests that a consignment of spare parts was delivered to Pakistan at the beginning of this year. tank MBT-2000 Al-Khalid. This is a joint Sino-Pakistani development (based on Type 90-II) related to 2nd generation tanks. The amount of the supply contract amounted to slightly more than 1,1 million dollars. And this Ukrspetsexport positions itself as the success of Ukrainian products on the international market.


What specific spare parts for the main tanks of the Pakistan army are we talking about?



And we are talking about 6.TU-6 2.TU 459.TU two-stroke two-stroke engines and six 6TD-1 459I.TU engines. Moreover, a batch of six engines was intended for the repair of T-XNUMHUD tanks, known as Birch. The tank was developed by the Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (KMDB) to them. A.A. Morozov. Ukraine has signed a contract with Pakistan for the supply of 80 such machines. After three years, all the contracted tanks were delivered. Now Pakistan has a need to repair and upgrade these machines, however, the Ukrainian industry of today and the Ukrainian industry of the 320 model, as they say in Ukraine itself, are two big differences. The Ukrainian industry is no longer able to provide Pakistani customers with new engines to the full extent, and therefore the supply of 1996 engines is already presented in the report as a great achievement for the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. More than three hundred tanks in three years against 9 engines in two years ...

Deliveries are made for the Pakistani company Spares Depot EME. In 2017, Ukraine was able to supply 8 units of 6TD-2 engines.

For reference: the Sino-Pakistani tanks MBT-2000 "Al-Khalid" are now in service with not only the army of Pakistan, but also the armies of Myanmar, Bangladesh and Morocco.

An example of the degradation of the tank industry of Ukraine


The problem with the proliferation of these tanks lies in the fact that they use an unlicensed version of the Soviet smoothbore gun D-81TM (2A46) developed by the Sverdlovsk 9 10th Design Bureau. In the Pakistani version, this is the 125-mm ZPT-98. Producers at one time agreed on the supply of Al-Khalid in Peru, but the Peruvians eventually withdrew all their signatures.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 3 November 2018 13: 32
    +21
    Even the tubes in the engine are painted in the correct colors. This is at least + 100 hp smile
    1. cradle
      cradle 3 November 2018 13: 39
      0
      and not hp but skakuasov
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 3 November 2018 13: 46
      0
      Quote: Thrall
      Even the tubes in the engine are painted in the correct colors. This is at least + 100 hp smile

      I think they weren’t specially painted, but simply taken from working samples of equipment.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 3 November 2018 18: 27
        +15
        No, they paint perfectly, they trained on urns, fences and toilets, though the choice of colors is very small - only two colors. Well, for one crinkle, and this is more than enough.
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      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 14: 24
        +8
        In fact, in tank engines ALWAYS tubes of different colors. Each color indicates that the pipeline is running. Unfortunately, I don’t remember what color it is, but there are also brown, red and green if I’m not mistaken.
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 3 November 2018 15: 39
          +19
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Each color indicates that the pipeline is running.

          I don’t know how it is in tanks (never a tanker, in general laughing ), and in aviation, yellow is the fuel line, brown is the oil line, red is the fire pipe, black is the air system, blue is oxygen.
          1. not main
            not main 3 November 2018 21: 02
            +4
            Quote: helmi8
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Each color indicates that the pipeline is running.

            I don’t know how it is in tanks (never a tanker, in general laughing ), and in aviation, yellow is the fuel line, brown is the oil line, red is the fire pipe, black is the air system, blue is oxygen.

            Hello, Sergey! So this is not only in aviation, it is a generally accepted system! Even gas cylinders are so painted! Oxygen is blue, carbon dioxide is black, all tankers for transportation and (or) fueling are yellow (orange)! The exception is TK and AC in the Armed Forces.
            1. san4es
              san4es 3 November 2018 21: 23
              +3
              Quote: non-primary
              .... this is a common system.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 4 November 2018 09: 10
                0
                Quote: san4es
                Quote: non-primary
                .... this is a common system.

                Is oxygen supplied to the tank engine?
                Maybe nitrous oxide .......................
      2. Jarilo
        Jarilo 3 November 2018 15: 24
        +3
        They have there, next to the nuclear power plant, the wild run generator has been operating since 2013:
    4. aleks056
      aleks056 3 November 2018 14: 54
      -1
      With the engine, even the embroidery in the kit goes on a hike
    5. svp67
      svp67 3 November 2018 18: 18
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      Even the tubes in the engine are painted in the correct colors. This is at least + 100 hp

      Yes, the culture of production at the Kharkov factory of tank engines was high, it was at one time.
      Yes, I don’t see big problems for the tank forces of Pakistan, if Ukraine can’t, then China is ready to replace it at any time, where the production of TD series engines has already been established. By the way, he already tried to do something like this, but then Ukraine was very indignant, and Pakistan did not want to break off relations with it. But now it can happen.
      Yes, and I still hope that our fathers-commanders will still convince the Pakistanis to come to the tank biathlon, to the T-84. I would really like to see who is better, the Pakistanis on the T-84 or the Indians on the T-90A
      1. akims
        akims 4 November 2018 00: 10
        +3
        KhZTD has not been there for 15 years already. In one of the buildings there is a water park "Jungle". One was won by the Vietnamese - their cultural center. The rest - for something where. I patched up one of the buildings, and it went under sewing either to khachiks, or to their neighbors, so to speak.
        1. tank-master
          tank-master 4 November 2018 22: 52
          +1
          And HZTD to tank engines?
          This plant is definitely not there ... for a long time .. but it never made engines for tanks, it is a factory that produced engines for HTZ tractors, and tank ones were always produced at ZTM to them. Malysheva ... but there is also complete opa ... only a piece assembly.
      2. tank-master
        tank-master 4 November 2018 23: 08
        0
        The Paks are armed with the T-80UD ... The T-90A is an analogue car ... only with a barreled tower and the Shtor system, and so the sighting system will be the same for them.
        1. eburg1234
          eburg1234 5 November 2018 08: 07
          0
          The large EMNIP Pakistan T-80UD also received a welded tower. Moreover, in time, Ukrainians were the first to launch them in a series.
      3. eburg1234
        eburg1234 5 November 2018 07: 47
        0
        Proofs for the production of 6TD in China, please.
        You are mistaken, this engine was never produced there, all export Chinese tanks of the MBT-2000 type (Al-Khalid) received Ukrainian diesel engines. Now the Chinese on the MBT-3000 abandoned them in favor of their diesels (sawed off an English diesel engine).
      4. tank-master
        tank-master 11 November 2018 20: 29
        0
        The packs have T-80UD tanks ... T-84 ... they weren’t supplied
    6. aszzz888
      aszzz888 4 November 2018 00: 59
      0

      Thrall Yesterday, 13: 32
      +14
      Even the tubes in the engine are painted in the correct colors. This is at least + 100 hp

      ... paint for horses is all ... laughingbut at that time it seems guessed by the paint system of conductive pipes ...
      1. tank-master
        tank-master 11 November 2018 20: 30
        0
        In fact, the coloring of the tubes .. was still introduced in Soviet times and continues to exist in accordance with the technical regulations
    7. snake
      snake 4 November 2018 10: 16
      0
      Quote: Thrall
      Even the tubes in the engine are painted in the correct colors.

      And the sound of the engine is this: SUGS-SUGS-SUGS-SUGS-SUGS ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 11 November 2018 20: 35
        0
        Quote: serpent
        And the sound of the engine is

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  3. dgonni
    dgonni 3 November 2018 13: 34
    +1
    The author is not seen in the subject. The engine was replaced to replace a worn out resource. Looks like there is a resource. Would an order of 100 would deliver a hundred.
    1. adma
      adma 3 November 2018 13: 41
      +9
      Most likely, the author means that the supply of 6 engines -
      positioned as success of Ukrainian products on the international market.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 3 November 2018 13: 44
        +3
        What does degradation have to do with it? Well, making a dumb stuffing is good. BUT in analytics not a single side.
        1. adma
          adma 3 November 2018 13: 46
          +5
          Quote: dgonni
          stuffing

          I agree. Now on such topics you can well hypanut.
      2. Antares
        Antares 3 November 2018 14: 20
        +8
        Quote: adma
        Most likely, the author means that the supply of 6 engines -
        positioned as success of Ukrainian products on the international market.

        Yes, you can also paint it on the other hand, as a continuation of the service (after all, they sell kits every year - and here also for new tank projects)
        Ukraine is trying to push its engines into local tanks ... and continues to export its own.
        If the Pakistanis would order a lot of engines, and the Ukrainians would not be able to provide them, the author’s article would be relevant. But Pakistanis are not rich enough to order hundreds of engines just out of desire.
        How many ordered so much received.
        1. adma
          adma 3 November 2018 14: 43
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          How many ordered so much received.

          This is how the sale of 6 Grants in Uzbekistan can be called the success of the Russian car industry in the international market.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 3 November 2018 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: dgonni
      The engine was replaced to replace a worn out resource. Looks like there is a resource.

      Years of operation of this tank since 2001. With Ukrainian dviglom, well, a maximum of 8.
      There is a resource, but the Ukrainian one is very small
  4. adma
    adma 3 November 2018 13: 44
    +2
    I remember these TDFs as a nightmare. wassat
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 3 November 2018 13: 50
      +1
      Well, tell me why! And maybe I will give confirmation or laugh.
      1. adma
        adma 3 November 2018 14: 09
        +3
        Quote: dgonni
        Well, tell me why! And maybe I will give confirmation or laugh.

        Confirmation that this is a nightmare? So I know it without you. Yes, and I laughed with him from the heart at the time.
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 3 November 2018 14: 44
        +8
        Let me .. TDF is a push-pull, high-powered diesel engine, very demanding on air filtration and with a pulling force at revs higher than average .. Moreover, the classic 4-stroke KM diesel engine is noticeably higher and located below average revolutions. In practice, this means that there is no need to rape a 4-stroke diesel engine .. you can overcome obstacles without raping the engine. TDF must first untwist, then what is there to drive ..
        You can still argue with the world engine companies .. for some reason they produce 4-stroke medium-boost diesel engines for this kind of technology.
  5. isker
    isker 3 November 2018 13: 47
    +10
    so stop kicking the baby already!
    there has never been in Ukraine COMPLETE tank building !!! Everything only - in cooperation with Russia!
    from here and everything else ...
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 3 November 2018 13: 54
      -15
      Smiled. Believe further Kiselev’s wickedness. Well, purely for yourself, take an interest in what stood in the first line in the GBV. I'm for tanks if that! The T-72 was there in the form of a reserve and in no way the main striking force.
      1. adma
        adma 3 November 2018 14: 18
        +4
        There were no cold winters in the GBW. And the T-72 could not then fire a guided projectile due to the vertical placement of the ammunition in the conveyor.
        1. andrey-ivanov
          andrey-ivanov 4 November 2018 15: 05
          +1
          And the T-72 could not then fire a guided projectile due to the vertical placement of the ammunition in the conveyor.

          Confused nothing? The placement of bookmakers in the 72 is just horizontal. But in the T-64/80, the commander and gunner are surrounded by a "fence" of vertically placed charges.
          1. adma
            adma 4 November 2018 17: 34
            0
            I meant the vertical placement of the projectile-charge in the conveyor tray. The T-64 placement is also not strictly vertical. Rather L-shaped.
        2. dgonni
          dgonni 4 November 2018 16: 25
          0
          As for the impossibility of firing a guided missile due to a different design mz, ​​am I one sighted? Well, on the extreme, the t-80 and t-64 booth layout. T-72 has a conveyor under the feet of the crew. At the same time, it has an electric drive and a dreary getting out of the PKT tape if it fell under the ammunition of tank shots.
          1. adma
            adma 4 November 2018 17: 39
            -1
            Quote: dgonni

            About the inability to fire a guided missile due to another design mz am I alone
            And there is no other design for the MOH. There is MH and there is AZ.
            MH allows you to use URS, but AZ (as far as I know) - no.
            1. eburg1234
              eburg1234 5 November 2018 07: 51
              -1
              And the Reflex on the T-72B, T-90 - what then? )))
      2. konstantin68
        konstantin68 3 November 2018 14: 41
        +4
        Quote: dgonni
        Believe further Kiselev’s wickedness.

        Kiselev, talking about tanks ... It would be worth a look! author-push yet!
      3. goose
        goose 3 November 2018 14: 55
        +5
        Quote: dgonni
        Smiled. Believe further Kiselev’s wickedness. Well, purely for yourself, take an interest in what stood in the first line in the GBV. I'm for tanks if that! The T-72 was there in the form of a reserve and in no way the main striking force.

        After the results of operation, everything changed. The T-64 was difficult to maintain in good readiness. And the T-72 was not in reserve, but in the Eastern districts, where this two-stroke was extremely difficult to launch in winter and had problems with cross-country ability.
        The main one was the Leningrad T-80, and not the T-64 or T-72.
      4. abc_alex
        abc_alex 4 November 2018 13: 41
        +4
        Well, purely for yourself, take an interest in what stood in the first line in the GBV. I'm for tanks if that!

        But not dumb, advise to ask? I asked, you know. :) First I chose at random.

        On 1991 year.
        PGW. Germany. 1st Guards Tank Red Banner Army. Dresden
        9th Tank Bobruisk-Berlin Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division (Riesa): main tank - T-80. 11th Guards Tank Carpathian-Berlin Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division (Dresden) - main tank - T-80.
        The 20th Guards Motorized Rifle Carpathian-Berlin Red Banner, the Order of the Suvorov Division (Grimm) - the main T-80 tank.
        2nd Guards Tank Red Banner Army. Furstenberg.
        16th Guards Tank Uman Order of Lenin, Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division, Neustrelitz. The main tank is the T80.
        21st motorized rifle Taganrog Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division, Perleberg. The main tank is the T-80. 207th Motorized Rifle Pomeranian Red Banner, Order of the Suvorov Division, Shtendal. Main tank - T-80.

        And only the 94th Guards Motorized Rifle Zvenigorod-Berlin Order of the Suvorov Division, Schwerin, was armed with 274 T-64 tanks.

        Then I found a summary statement for 1989:
        Panzer divisions, staffing by 328 tanks:
        7 Guards (T-64); 10 Guards (T-80); 11 Guards (T-80); 12 Guards (T-64); 25 (T-64); 32 Guards (T-64); 47 Guards (T-64); 79 Guards (T-80).
        Panzer divisions, staffing by 250 tanks:
        9 (T-80); 16 guards (T-80); 90 guards (T-80).
        Motorized rifle divisions, staffing 214 tanks each:
        20 Guards (T-80); 21 (T-80); 27 Guards (T-80); 35 (T-80); 39 Guards (T-80); 57 Guards (T-64); 94 Guards (T-64); 207 (T-80).

        The rearmament of the ZGV from the T-62 to the T-64 began in 1977 (it is known that for the first time the tank was noticed by US intelligence in the ZGV in 1976). And while it was proceeding due to the redeployment of tanks from the internal districts to the Western Group of Forces, it passed at a normal pace. But already in 1978 it became clear that KhZTM was physically incapable of producing tanks in the required quantity. Until 1982, attempts were made to somehow solve this problem. At the same time, they began to supply the first normal tank of the T-64 family, the T-64B, devoid of jambs and curvature. Instead of regimental kits, they began to supply tanks in bulk to the battalion by company. But already in 1982, due to the complete inability of KhZTM to ensure the production of vehicles at the required pace, it was decided to equip the ZGV with two models of tanks - T-64B and T-80. And in 1984, it was decided to gradually transfer all ZGV connections to the T-80. By 1985, the rearmament of the ZGV from the T-62 to new tanks was completed, and then, in the same year, the withdrawal of the T-64 from the ZGV to the internal districts began. So service in the Western Group of Forces is not at all a glorious page in the life of the T-64. It is rather a story of the failure of both the tank and its manufacturer. 7 years of operation in the West Group led to the decision to get rid of both the tank and its manufacturer.
        The groups of troops looked like this: the Western group of troops - the GDR, the Northern group of troops - Poland were equipped with T-80 tanks. The central group of forces - Czechoslovakia and the second strategic echelon (Baltic, Belarusian military districts) were equipped with T-72 tanks.
        And the T-64 tanks withdrawn from the first strategic echelon were sent exclusively to "warm districts" - the Southern Group of Forces - Hungary, the Carpathian, Kiev, Odessa military districts. They didn't even send them to the Far East. Not a single Soviet tank had such a critical geography and climate.

        In the future, whistle more skillfully :) Your tales about the "miracle tank" in strategic directions are not impressive, since history clearly demonstrates the opposite.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 3 November 2018 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: isker
      from here and everything else ...

      Not well, Ukrainians honestly beautiful blueprint drawings. Here they are well done
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 3 November 2018 15: 28
        +2
        And here, the loafers didn’t glass the blueprints, but rather they chopped them. Because of them, then I had problems with protection - it was lazy for teachers to measure the dimensions in the drawings with a ruler and then take them to scale, they just looked at the drawing and put it in a bad place.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 3 November 2018 15: 35
          +3
          Quote: faridg7
          And here, the loafers didn’t glass the blueprints, but rather they chopped them.

          Darkness. The glassing technology is the most advanced. You put marks with a Kohinor T 3 pencil and draw lines along the reich with a Kohinor TM pencil. For this I took a three-ruble note drinks
  6. sabakina
    sabakina 3 November 2018 14: 10
    +2
    (based on Type 90-II) related to 2nd generation tanks
    Sorry, but I remember that the first tank recognized was recognized French, with a rotating tower (PS Please do not confuse it with Roman), it’s also the MS-21. So which generation is the T-90?
    1. adma
      adma 3 November 2018 14: 22
      +2
      T-90 - the third generation. MC-21 finally can not what.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 3 November 2018 14: 25
      +4
      Quote: sabakina
      Sorry, but I remember, the first tank recognized recognized French, with a rotating tower,

      Here Glory is probably believable. The main feature of the third generation is the protection against radiation and the new principles of firing at the axis of the OMS. Type 90 is therefore 2 +++, and only Armata has the status of the fourth hi
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 November 2018 15: 11
        0
        Volodya. be healthy! So which tank to lead the generation of tanks from? From the MS-21? BT-5? BT-7? T-26? T-35? ...
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 3 November 2018 15: 23
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          So which tank to lead the generation of tanks from?

          In our, in the hussars. From Renault. The second generation is from the t-34 and kv-1, as well as the German t-4. The third is from t-54. The fourth is t-14. The rest of the development of the German t-6 (tiger) is the development of a fire control system and an increase in mass drinks
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 3 November 2018 15: 33
            +3
            Usually they count from the first post-war generation - T-55. And your transition to MBT fell off somewhere - the second post-war generation represented by the T-64.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 3 November 2018 16: 19
              -5
              MBT is not Yu by and large. nikakot. RG atom don’t indulge in it. It’s easy for you to have a constitution *. Get paranormal. They communicate with us. WG for us nothing - This is the Enemy
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 4 November 2018 15: 10
                +1
                Need to eat
          2. Esteid
            Esteid 3 November 2018 16: 27
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            The main feature of the third generation is radiation protection.

            Quote: Tusv
            Third from t-54
            not T-55?
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 4 November 2018 15: 09
              0
              Find 10 Differences wink
              1. Esteid
                Esteid 4 November 2018 17: 48
                0
                protection against comp. here is the difference.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 November 2018 14: 19
    +5
    Answering the critics of the article ... And what and to whom else did the Ukrainian tank industry supply? Besides these engines, which the plant cannot feed ... I remember the message about the supply failure to Thailand. Maybe the defenders of the Ukrainian tank industry will tell? I ask without a catch - well, I didn’t find anything ...
    My acquaintances with Motorsich write - output fell by 40%, meager salaries, cuts ... But this is the flagship of high-tech engineering ... Of course, the decision NOT to DELIVER helicopter engines to Russia caused unnecessary tension in the UEC, unplanned costs were required . So we decided the question!
    1. Antares
      Antares 3 November 2018 14: 37
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But what and to whom else did the Ukrainian tank industry put? Except for these engines, which the plant cannot be fed to ..

      yes ask google.
      here is the first answer (Mikhailova’s blog)
      Turkey bought in Ukraine 20 engines 6TD-2 (5TDFMA-1) for Azerbaijani 155-mm self-propelled guns T-155 Firtina
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I remember the message about the delivery failure to Thailand.

      The contract with a big delay was completed completely. All 49 tanks (+2 Athletes) delivered. And they will also supply kits as needed.
      Pakistan is a regular and major buyer of kits. Ukraine itself buys them.
      In addition to tanks, armored personnel carriers also produce kits for Asia.
      We won’t breed Srach. If you want, consider how you want. From the point of view of great-chauvinism of either the Russian media or the Internet (preferably neutral, for Russian and Ukrainian sources conduct competition also lies the main tool)
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      My acquaintances with Motorsich write - output fell by 40%, salaries are scanty, reductions.

      There are indicators 2017
      Motor Sich PJSC (Zaporozhye) in January-September 2017 increased its consolidated net profit in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) by 36,74% compared to the same period in 2016 - up to UAH 2 billion 575,69 million.
      and similarly for 2018
      In January-September 2018, Motor Sich PJSC (Zaporozhye) reduced its consolidated net profit in accordance with international financial reporting standards (IFRS) by 79,1% (4,7 times) compared to the same period in 2017 - to 543,31, UAH XNUMX million
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 3 November 2018 16: 10
        0
        If you translate into dollars at the exchange rate - the picture is even sadder ... For such a huge, like MotorSich, such amounts of profit - this is not even enough for pins.
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 4 November 2018 14: 38
        +1
        We won’t breed Srach.


        OK. We will not, turn to the numbers.
        The volume of serial production of tanks in Kharkov since the late 70s was equal to 800-900 vehicles per year, subject to the work on modernization and improvement of tanks. Accordingly, the volume of production of motors is no less. That is 800 engines per year at least. But in fact, much more. Against this background, 20 motors for Turkey, delivered for the T-155 Firtina, are already sad in quantity. And if you find out the details, it is easy to find out that Turkey didn’t buy these engines of their own free will, but because of Germany’s refusal to supply standard MTU MT881 Ka-500 engines for Azerbaijani self-propelled guns.

        The contract with a big delay was completed completely. All 49 tanks

        Let's go back to the production figure of 800 T-64 tanks per year in the period 70-90. Against this background, the production of 49 tanks with huge problems in 7 years (the contract was signed in 2011, completed in 2018) certainly cannot be called a success. After all, it was planned to supply 54 tanks in the period 2011-2014. And what is especially important, "Oplot-T" is not a new tank, it is a "kit" for old Soviet T-80 vehicles. Where do the hulls and barrels of guns come from, it has been said many times, but "We will not breed Srach."

        These are kind of simple numbers, they are common for all "Internet", that for the "Great Russian-chauvinist" that for the "racially faithful, Bandera-Sumerian".

        As for Sich, analyzing any statistics, you need to clearly understand that the sales market for its products is located outside Ukraine. Therefore, ANY fall of the hryvnia against the dollar will inevitably lead to an increase in profit according to the "reporting standards".
    2. goose
      goose 3 November 2018 14: 57
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      My acquaintances with Motorsich write - output fell by 40%, salaries are scanty, reductions

      And my uncle worked all his life in Antonov Design Bureau, now he doesn’t work. In fact, the KB no longer exists.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 3 November 2018 21: 06
        +1
        Quote: goose
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        My acquaintances with Motorsich write - output fell by 40%, salaries are scanty, reductions

        And my uncle worked all his life in Antonov Design Bureau, now he doesn’t work. In fact, the KB no longer exists.

        If your uncle (was there one at all?) Does not work in Antonov’s design bureau, this does not mean that there is no Antonov’s design bureau wassat
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 14: 34
    -4
    Strange logic in the author. However, there is no signature ... That is, a country conducting hostilities and at the same time supplying spare parts and engines for export, is this a zrad? Well, well .... And if sarcasm is about quantity. . Please name the plants in the post-Soviet space that exceeded the production of five-year plans.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 3 November 2018 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      That is, a country conducting hostilities

      Who is this country fighting with? And what?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 15: 56
        +1
        On its territory 4 is an armed conflict. With the use of heavy weapons and aircraft at the initial stage. Have a different wording? I beg...
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 3 November 2018 16: 13
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I beg...

          For the level of battles that the APU wars ... they don’t require a large amount of equipment, which greatly annoys the industry. In fact, they are fighting the USSR’s reserves .. and onga deliveries are exported on orders from the malicious owner .. How many new contracts Ukraine received after 14 years ?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 17: 10
            0
            Are you familiar with Lostarmore? Sorry in Russian letters. Come in, look at the loss of sides. I think your opinion about needs will change. Respectfully...
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 3 November 2018 17: 34
              +1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Are you familiar with Lostarmore?

              You vainly remembered this resource .., all statistics on it confirm my statement. All the lost APU equipment is Soviet. In addition to a pair of Bulatov..EMNIP .., and there wasn’t even a word about the use of Strongholds there .. a couple of these armored vehicles can conditionally be called Ukrainian ..
              You probably know about the new Ukrainian mortar .. not at all the top of knowledge is needed .. but ...
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 17: 59
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                That is, do you think you do not need to make up for the loss of 3 hundreds of tanks and 2 hundreds of the rest of the equipment? Gu, but not about that .... But about the level of fighting you mentioned. What are the actions during which the parties lose hundreds of armored combat vehicles and thousands of people? I call them fighting.
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 3 November 2018 19: 55
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                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  That is, in your opinion make up for the loss of 3 hundred

                  That is, in your opinion, the factories in Kharkov are smoking, the conveyor is running, and already 299 brand new Bulat are being rolled out to the landfill for delivery? Or stupidly understaff the legacy of the Soviet army and from this something is collected ..? Is this your industry?
                  1. The leader of the Redskins
                    The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 20: 05
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                    Actually, initially our debate began with the name of WHAT is happening in Ukraine, and for some reason you moved to industry. But even about industry .... What restores the heritage of the USSR, which rusted in the open air for a quarter of a century? And in what condition are the same engines?
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 3 November 2018 20: 15
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                      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                      Actually, initially our debate began with how to name WHAT is happening in Ukraine

                      No, not from this. In general, the article is fair. Industry, including tank production in Ukraine, has died or is undergoing .. degradation to the face. And progress is still a long way off, first you need to come up with technological terms on a racially correct move, then grow the first generation of racially correct scientists, technologists, workers ... gain experience (a couple more generations) .. and only then will technical and production progress in Ukraine begin. The second option is to return to where they belong ... in the trailer to the Great Russians.
              2. eburg1234
                eburg1234 5 November 2018 08: 01
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                Bulatov, judging by Lost, lost 21 pieces (photo confirmed): 18 destroyed, 3 trophies.
                But again, they cannot be considered new tanks - this is a modernized Soviet 64-ka.
        2. Esteid
          Esteid 3 November 2018 16: 29
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          On its territory for 4 years there is an armed conflict. With the use of heavy weapons and aircraft at the initial stage. Have a different wording? I beg...
          remind who applied?
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 17: 04
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            Ask better from the residents of Donbass. At both sides. If you want to provoke me to something, then my position on VO is known to many - I believe that all this simply should not have happened. Under no circumstances.
            1. Esteid
              Esteid 3 November 2018 18: 22
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              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Ask better from the residents of Donbass. At both sides. If you want to provoke me to something, then my position on VO is known to many - I believe that all this simply should not have happened. Under no circumstances.
              and why not give up ...
              and I’ve been observing your provocative position for a long time.
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex 4 November 2018 14: 52
      +1
      That is, a country conducting hostilities and at the same time supplying spare parts and engines for export, is this a crap? Well, well .... And if sarcasm is about quantity. . Please name the plants in the post-Soviet space that exceeded the production of five-year plans.


      Well, the fact of exporting doesn't prove anything. Let me remind you that the "Thai contract" was fulfilled not in addition, but instead of supplying tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. That is, the industry that produced 800-900 tanks a year in the past is not capable of upgrading even 10-15 vehicles a year. Is this not degradation? Is this a peremog?
      And the quantity in this case shows the level of degradation. Instead of producing hundreds of new tanks "from metal and blueprints" a year, the Ukrainian tank industry is struggling to cope with the body kit already produced in the USSR. That is, it is no longer possible to produce a tank from scratch. And the bulkhead of machines produced 20+ years ago with new units is going with great difficulty.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2018 18: 31
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        Tell me, who needs to produce 800 tanks a year? You are not stuck in the time loop of the USSR? Then there was a plan and it was clear where each machine would be directed. Further about body kits ... Why make a tank from scratch, if behind the wall, on the field, three hundred cars rust? Maybe cannibalism is more profitable? As for the Thai contract ... How many tanks did the USSR deliver abroad during World War II? I know about the delivery of 2 !!!! In the USA for reference. Do you own other numbers? Ucoain for all financial difficulties fulfilled the contract. Belatedly, with delays, but subject to military operations in the country, moreover, continuing to repair and restore tanks and developing new models!
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 6 November 2018 03: 27
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          Tell me, who needs to produce 800 tanks a year?

          Yes, you can not produce at all, what's the problem? The world is full of sellers ready to deliver T-64 level tanks for money. Pay - deliver.
          It was about the degradation of tank construction in Ukraine. I show what it is expressed in. To begin with, he pointed out a quantitative difference. What previously could have produced 300, 400, and 500 tanks a year without problems, today cannot produce even 20. This is quantitative degradation.

          . How many tanks did the USSR deliver abroad during World War II?

          ???? And how much did he produce them?
          But I’d better give you an example of the Reich, because there, as now in Ukraine, tanks are made on a commercial basis. So, only T-4 for 1942-1944 exported more than 490 pieces.

          . Why produce a tank from scratch, if behind the wall, on the field, three hundred cars rust?

          And this is an example of quality degradation. If earlier Kharkov created tanks ahead of time from scratch, and independently produced them from scratch (not completely, but mostly), now it barely copes with the task that is much simpler - modernization.

          . Belatedly, with delays, but subject to military operations in the country, moreover, continuing to repair and restore tanks and developing new models!


          What year was the contract concluded? In 2011. And when d.b. end with the delivery of the entire batch? IN 2014! That is, it was disrupted even before the Maidan, because at the end of 2014 the Thais received not 80 or 50, but only 5 cars. And then, you say "in a war," so what? Kharkov bombed from the air? Is the plant destroyed by a missile strike or the power plants destroyed? No, everything is intact, no one is bombing, so what does "military action" have to do with it? I will not recall the USSR, it is a different social system, but here is Israel. In conditions of constant hostilities, he releases the Merkava. And quite rhythmically and in the quantities you need. Ukraine cannot even make tanks for itself. I said, okay, the Thai cars went to the Armed Forces, but no, they just weren't made. Even from finished cases. And no, the new model is the Merkava 4 after the Merkava 3. Not an overweight old Soviet tank taken from long-term storage.
        2. svp67
          svp67 6 November 2018 04: 24
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          How many tanks did the USSR deliver abroad during World War II?

          Or maybe a little change the question? Let's just say, how many tank military formations of the Union armies were formed on the territory of the USSR? And how much equipment was allocated to equip them and recover losses?
          And I assure you, the final figure will not be small. In one Polish Army a lot was delivered.
          As for Ukraine, it was, in words, fighting with all its might against "aggression", on the sly, supplying T-72 tanks abroad. There were a couple of scandals with the shipment of these tanks through the Odessa port. How long was it quiet?
  9. iouris
    iouris 3 November 2018 15: 19
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    There is no need to instill hatred moods. With the expectant, ambiguous ostrich of the Kremlin’s foreign policy, Ukraine only needs to be an instrument of the United States or Grossgermany. And the US offensive purely concrete policy is aimed at the collapse of everything that it is aimed at by launching destructive internal processes.
  10. Huumi
    Huumi 3 November 2018 16: 00
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    How can they degrade when they produce tubes for ships and we produce other products that we ourselves can’t produce, we can’t produce them. We don’t even produce what they produce. Enough to nod your heads to Ukraine, try to take them out of one place.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 3 November 2018 20: 04
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      They are not producing much ... Turbines for ships are already being replaced. Saturn, Rybinsk. And I met people from Zorya-Mashproekt at factories in Russia. There, excuse me, "fifth point", in Nikolaev wassat
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  12. NF68
    NF68 3 November 2018 16: 33
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    They have no time to deal not only with the tank industry, but with everything else. You need to fill your pockets as quickly as possible, but how ordinary people live, anyway.
  13. pv1005
    pv1005 3 November 2018 19: 05
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    In fact, in tank engines ALWAYS tubes of different colors. Each color indicates that the pipeline is running. Unfortunately, I don’t remember what color it is, but there are also brown, red and green if I’m not mistaken.

    Green-cooling system
    Yellow-fuel
    Brown-butter
    Red-PPO (simple fire extinguisher)
  14. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 November 2018 21: 02
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    report the supply of 9 engines has already been presented as a great achievement for the defense industry of Ukraine

    As it’s enough to read frank propaganda nonsense already ... The report is a document. It indicates everything that is accountable, even if it is one trampoline for NASA. And there is never an emotional component.
  15. zloijjet
    zloijjet 3 November 2018 21: 19
    +2
    Coloring the brain does not affect intelligence ...
  16. san4es
    san4es 3 November 2018 21: 27
    +1
    ... a consignment of spare parts for the MBT-2000 Al-Khalid tank was delivered to Pakistan
    The first Pakistani Ture 90-IIM tank, known as Al Khalid, was manufactured in July 1991. Tests were conducted from 1992 to 1998. To date, the tank has been adopted. In 2000, Taxila completed the first batch of 15 cars. They were sent to army units for trial operation. Pakistan plans to build 600 Al Khalid tanks to counter the Indian Arjuns and T-90S purchased by India in Russia. Unlike the prototype, the Al Khalid tank is equipped with a Ukrainian diesel engine 6TD-2 with a capacity of 1200 liters. with. and Renk 3000 automatic hydromechanical transmission in a single unit.
    For the purchase of diesel engines, an additional contract was signed between Pakistan and Ukraine. The installation of a new engine led to a change in the rear of the tank. The engine is adapted to high ambient temperatures in excess of 50 degrees. The maximum speed of the tank reached 65 km / h. Cruising range 450 km. The combat weight of the tank is 48 tons. The crew is 3 people. The tank is equipped with a smoothbore 125-mm 2A46 gun with an electromechanical automatic loader, one type 86 machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber, one W-85 anti-aircraft machine gun of 12,7 mm caliber and 12 smoke grenade launchers on the turret. Aiming devices consist of a periscope combined gunner’s sight, a laser rangefinder with a thermal imager and a commander’s periscopic combined sight. hi
    http://toparmy.ru/armii-mira/armiya-pakistana/tanki-pakistana-al-zarrar-i-al-khalid.html
  17. san4es
    san4es 3 November 2018 21: 47
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    Pakistani tank "Al-Khalid" successfully hits the target.
    what ... Pakistani, Iranian, as well as Indian video, do not differ in special quality bully
  18. Glennie
    Glennie 4 November 2018 08: 59
    -4
    Frank lies! Tanks in Pakistan and Thailand undergo maintenance and repairs on schedule by Ukrainian specialists.
    And engines are constantly being bought not only by these countries.
    And let me remind you of the 152 mm seeker "Krasnopol" is made only by Ukraine!
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 4 November 2018 15: 06
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      Wrong.
      Serial production of "Krasnopol" is carried out by OJSC "Izhmash", the seeker (GOS) for the projectile is manufactured by LOMO. Manufactured for a very long time, at least the Indian 2000 "Krasnopolis" in 2002 were equipped with GOS manufactured by LOMO. There are also designed and manufactured similar GOS for 122-mm "Kitolov", 152-mm "Centimeter", 120-mm "Gran".
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 November 2018 11: 27
    +1
    Apparently the tanks with which you can twist the working engines have ended ...
    That is the whole point of the Ukrainian defense industry of the present.
  20. Waldemar
    Waldemar 4 November 2018 16: 39
    +1
    Poor Ukrainian people. How their true invaders mock him. Robbery growing with wild speed poverty, the decline of morals.
    Apparently Mova produces a lobotomy effect.
  21. Dmitry Zadorozhniy
    Dmitry Zadorozhniy 5 November 2018 08: 27
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    The only plant that produced armor in Ukraine. The Mariupol "Azovmash" was cast in the closed workshops of the tower. Rocket "Barguzin" was built. Fucked 20 years ago.
  22. Tarasios
    Tarasios 5 November 2018 11: 19
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    Quote: besik
    and not hp but skakuasov

    lazy races? ...;)