The "EP" reacted to the proposal of the deputy on the dissolution of the FIU and the abolition of pensions

The State Duma commented on the statements of the deputy from the Yaroslavl Municipal Assembly. We are talking about the deputy Dmitry Petrovsky, an oncologist (in combination with a plastic surgeon) at a local clinic, representing the regional branch of the United Russia party. Petrovsky announced that he was against raising the retirement age, adding that he was also against pension as such.

According to him, the old-age pension in Russia must be abolished, leaving the practice of paying social benefits exclusively for citizens with disabilities. His proposal Yaroslavl people's choice made on a personal page in Facebook.

The very note of Petrovsky is as follows (spelling, punctuation and style are preserved):

Eliminate the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation! Fully. Property to sell. Officials work.
Personally, I am for the abolition of the concept in general - the retirement age, and the structure of the Pension Fund, everyone should decide how much to work for him, and everyone should decide on what and how he will live after retirement. Pension fund and pension - should be only on disability. So I am against raising the retirement age, as well as against the very idea of ​​a pension.

In just a few minutes in the comments to this post, Dmitry Petrovsky found out everything that Yaroslavl think about him and not only. Perhaps the softest thing that the subscribers of the deputy’s page offered was the excommunication of Petrovsky from his job placement to the mine without any further right to receive a pension.

If the deputy had stopped his note on the phrase “Officials to work”, the comments would have been opposite in meaning, but the regional parliamentarian could not resist. Now his initiative has reached the media and the highest political council of United Russia. The party said that the opinion of a single deputy does not reflect the views of the entire "ER". Andrei Isaev, deputy head of the United Russia parliamentary faction, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

Comments

[Andrey Yuryevich]

In just a few minutes, in the comments on this post, Dmitry Petrovsky learned everything that the Yaroslavl people think about him and not only

but the same thing that ordinary people think about the whole government ...

[Tatar 174]

A person is not adequate and without a brain in his head is a synonym for the definition of Dmitry Petrovsky! So let him cancel such a beautiful head and a pension will not be needed.

[Tatyana]

The deputy head of the Duma faction of United Russia Andrey Isaev noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

And how many of these irresponsible people are there in United Russia, that the whole party looks like a ASSEMBLY of useful "idiots" for the current liberal government in today's Russia?

[Andrey Vinogradov]

Yes, this is the brother of Red Tarzan or his friend !!

[Pereira]

They are from the same pack.

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Tatiana

And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.

[Piramidon]

Quote: KOCMOC

And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of their old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them. Pensions must be abolished unambiguously, everyone should plan for himself, and besides, children should keep their parents under the old age.

Petrovsky, you have already checked in here. Why did he hide under the nickname "space"? Or are you his assistant? Around you all the people just thumps? Just those who by age can not work and who have no children point blank you can not see? Do you dwell in the bomber?
PS Russian language to start learning, shoals with grammar through the word.

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Piramidon

Petrovsky, you have already checked in here. Why did he hide under the nickname "space"?

It doesn’t matter, in essence there is something to say, but, state parasites and dependents? Weakly take our fate into our own hands? Or maybe you are disabled? Well, there you don’t have a brain type or something else? Well then, you have nothing to worry about, all normal, capable and socially responsible citizens of the state will raise taxes and we will support you. Of course, many people dislike my opinion, even if I even know who, well, bet, put cons, you are not capable of more. The state should only deal with defense and law and order, that's all! otherwise you have complete freedom of action within the law. To demand something more from the state is the same as to demand from neighbors, this is extortion, a crime.

[Piramidon]

Quote: KOCMOC

Weakly take our fate into our own hands?

If you are such a smart reformer, then explain to me what a person who has worked all his life in such a job, where he was paid so much that he did not die of hunger, wouldn’t have children, wouldn’t save millions, like you, didn’t save reason (there is nothing to feed, nothing to put aside in a small egg), and now he simply lost the opportunity to work in his specialty by age. Is he going to loop right away, or you, a liberodemocrat, will you take him to your mansion for maintenance?

[Setrac]

Quote: Piramidon

he did not have children

If you don’t have children, let him die under the fence.

Quote: Piramidon

or you, liberodemocrat, him to your mansion for maintenance

If he didn’t raise children, this is the "libero-democrat" who has lived all his life for himself.
Only those who raised children deserve a pension and no matter what he has been doing all his life.
Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.

[Setrac]

Quote: Hammerlock

The reasons for the absence of children can be completely different, completely independent of the type "we want to live for ourselves"

It doesn’t matter at all - what are the reasons. No children - no pensions. You should not look for excuses for egoists, because all the reasons come down to one thing - children interfere with life.

[kitt409]

Understandably, everything is divided into strict and strictly white only))) - well, I can only wish one thing - to be further strictly the same consistent and principled ....

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

well, I can only wish one thing - to continue to be strictly the same consistent and principled ....

You are simply not aware of the consequences of your unscrupulousness. The developed social and pension system is the main reason for the decline in the birth rate. The Russian nation is dying out due to the fault of such "unprincipled" as you.

Quote: kitt409

Understandably, everything in you is divided only into black strictly and strictly white))

Even color blind people can separate black from white (do not take it personally).

[kitt409]

Unprincipled, say? (
Is there anything you didn’t mention about any exceptions in your messages? I had a co-worker, got married, but I didn’t have children, then someone from the medicus blabbed drunk that his wife could not give birth to him at all, I did not delve into the details, but even such cases you DO NOT consider an excuse, right? If not, so what's stopping you from writing about this from the start?

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

then someone from the medicus blabbed drunk that his wife could not give birth to him from the word at all, I did not go into details

So you don’t know the reason why she could not have children? As I wrote earlier - hereditary infertility is a nonsense, infertile children have no children and they cannot pass on their infertility to children because of their absence. In most cases, infertility is the result of violent youth.

Quote: kitt409

but even such cases you DO NOT consider an excuse, right?

I do not consider an excuse, it does not justify them. In extreme cases, children can be adopted or adopted.

[kitt409]

Are you waiting for the laying out of ALL the ins and outs?)
It’s nothing that the lady’s youth didn’t have anything to do with it - her mother forced her to do something at the wrong time in her childhood, and who is to blame? She was still 14 ....

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

It’s nothing that the lady’s youth didn’t have anything to do with it - her mother forced her to do something at the wrong time in her childhood, and who is to blame? She was still 14 ....

This is their family fault. But this argument is meaningless, the pension and social system in our country is impersonal - it corrupts people.
And yet, why didn’t they adopt anyone?

[kitt409]

As for the need for a personal system, I will not argue, but I will lay the blame on a person who, at that time, neither sleep nor spirit knew about such "prospects" (- this is wrong, in my opinion, but you cannot describe all the nuances here , this is about adoption ...

[polar fox]

Quote: Setrac

It doesn’t matter at all - what are the reasons. No children - no pensions. You should not look for excuses for egoists, because all the reasons come down to one thing - children interfere with life.

I could not resist...
not so long ago I spoke with the head doctor of a humpback ... in short, 30 percent of girls dt 12 to 16 will not be mothers. glory to our Putin and starling with zurabovs, the gardasil rules ... nothing to do with the power? you will live longer, you will see more.

[Setrac]

Quote: polar fox

percent of 30 girls dt 12 to 16 will not be mothers. the glory of our Putin and starling with zurabov-gardasil steers ... nothing to do with power?

We mentioned below - like we don’t have Sparta, just like that, we don’t have Sparta, genetically flawed ones survive and give birth to their kind - glory to the social system. It will only get worse, because in our world a white, physically healthy man with a normal sexual orientation is the most disenfranchised creature.
But there is a "BUT", these "girls" will not be able to give birth - which means they will not be able to pass on their inferiority to descendants

[kitt409]

Do not confuse the country, well, by chance? Take an interest in what you have done with the same white man in other countries, so that it’s not very bad here yet)
And the word is, do you know how to read?) There are letters, but you don’t notice them, why ???
And the girls in quotes for which reason are written?

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Do not confuse the country, well, by chance? Take an interest in what you have done with the same white man in other countries, so that it’s not very bad here yet)

Well, the fact that in other countries with this shit does not mean that everything is fine with us, our country is the country of the victorious matriarchy.

Quote: kitt409

And the word is, do you know how to read?) There are letters, but you don’t notice them, why ???

When you point your finger at the sky - how to understand your message?

Quote: kitt409

And the girls in quotes for which reason are written?

It is impossible to attribute to the female gender a nulliparous person.

[kitt409]

As for poking into the sky - re-read that post again and try to find there some letters that you have not yet noticed - that you do not know about this does not mean that this does not exist)

[gor999]

You sir, you need to contact a specialist urgently, because your comments for a mile away are full of pathology

[Setrac]

Quote: gor999

You sir, you need to contact a specialist urgently, because your comments for a mile away are full of pathology

Only after you. Visit the ear-throat, let your nose check what "stinks" you.

[Mcar]

Quote: Setrac

Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.

And infertility?
In the Russian Federation, according to the most stringent, i.e., probably underestimated, infertile
- 6 million women
- 4 million men
and the problem is growing.

What about premature death?
I don’t have any data, but it also happens that parents outlive their children. And who then will feed them in old age?

Categoricality is a sign of limitation.
Confucius

What more is hiding behind categoricality: limitations? lack of culture? self-doubt? People with sufficient intelligence and culture know that today (now) it seems obvious, undeniable (and accordingly, it is hard to temperamentally tempt to speak), after a while (when a minute, when an hour, when several years) it becomes not very obvious, and even obvious exactly the opposite ... And, remembering his ardor and categoricalness, educated people become when it is funny, when sad, when ashamed ...

[Setrac]

Quote: McAr

And infertility?
In the Russian Federation, according to the most stringent, i.e., probably underestimated, infertile
- 6 million women
- 4 million men
and the problem is growing.

Those who inherited infertility are only a few, for the majority, infertility is a consequence of a stormy youth - they are their own "Buratins", no one is to blame for their mental degradation, I do not feel sorry for such people.

Quote: McAr

What about premature death?
I don’t have any data, but it also happens that parents outlive their children. And who then will feed them in old age?

Yeah, such a "child" got drunk, got into an accident, why should the state owe him something?

Quote: McAr

What more is hiding behind categoricality: limitations? lack of culture? self-doubt?

Here lies the desire to get more salary. The state takes money from workers and gives it to the disabled and childless pensioners. I would be happy to receive a salary one and a half to two times more and our economy would not be limping on both legs - without weights in the form of a pension and social system.

[kitt409]

How do you still categorical then love, that's ONLY and no other way)
You didn’t try to ask the experts what and how, a classmate of mine had been dealing with similar issues for a long time, a couple of times, over a cup ... he said something, it’s darker there than you write here ...
By the way, well, the social system cannot be a kettlebell, and if you think that you would get more - I can only say one thing - about sankta simplicitas !!! In vain you are counting on this ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

my classmate, oh, I’ve been working on such issues for a long time, a couple of times, over a cup ... I’ve said something, it’s darker there than you write here ...

These are all common phrases, if you give an example, let's give specifics.

Quote: kitt409

By the way, well, the social system cannot be a kettlebell, and if you think that you would get more - I can only say one thing - about sankta simplicitas !!! In vain you are counting on this ...

I don’t count on anything. If the pension and social systems are canceled, our economy will grow one and a half times, dwell, nothing personal, I am not against pensions and social programs.

[kitt409]

These are your dreams, or rather the illusion that it will grow so much, in fact, someone simply puts in his pocket even more (((and I have big doubts that it will be you or me ....
Soprut more, yes, but no more.

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Soprut more, yes, but no more.

The world is not perfect.

Quote: kitt409

These are your dreams, or rather illusions

These are the prerequisites for strengthening the economy - nothing more.

[kitt409]

Well, from prerequisites to amplification - oh, how not close, in my opinion.
And according to the previous comment - it’s not always possible to write about everything, this is NOT my life first of all, and the Internet is now in almost every village) so I do not consider it possible to concretize NOT my secrets ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

And according to the previous comment - it’s not always possible to write about everything, it’s NOT my life

It is for this that I wrote in the beginning that the majority are to blame for their own infertility, MOST, but not all.
And yet - no one himself admits his own guilt, they will blame anyone, but not themselves.

[kitt409]

When doctors ask questions, it’s more difficult to lie to them in some things)

[kitt409]

You previously wrote about "units", alas, those who are in medicine - no less than 10 percent, alas, more precisely did not remember, I am not a statistician ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

You previously wrote about "units", alas, those who are in medicine - no less than 10 percent, alas, more precisely did not remember, I am not a statistician ...

All "on medicine". A minority - those who inherited infertility, the majority - acquired it during their lifetime for various reasons.

[kitt409]

Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))

Sophistry, a completely meaningless pun.

[kitt409]

More precisely, a completely pointless attempt on your part how to correct what you wrote earlier is somewhat thoughtlessly, but you simply don’t want to admit it)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))

You sucked your ten percent from the finger, you do not know this, so you can call the "units" a "minority", from the change of the name they will not become the majority, no matter how you puffed up

[kitt409]

First, look at your suction, knowledge at the level of "cottage cheese is extracted from dumplings", and look at how it breaks))))
already wrote - if you want to live according to the principle of "plus-minus tram stop" - so live yourself, not everyone needs it .... it is required)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

First, look at your suction, knowledge at the level of "cottage cheese is extracted from dumplings",

Do you realize how funny you look when you say these words to a person with an agricultural education?

Quote: kitt409

and look to teach how torn))))

I do not teach anyone, I do not like it - don’t answer, why are you raising demagogy here?

Quote: kitt409

already wrote - if you want to live according to the principle of "plus-minus tram stop" - so live yourself, not everyone needs it .... it is required)))

What’s this all about? If only letters to press?

[kitt409]

Well, you are not ashamed to write so persistently about the "services" of the state to a person with a specialized education)))) but the expression that I have given quite allows anyone to evaluate the level of comments - your comments)
And about "do not answer" - there are too many of those who want that the state provided services, and not for free, and citizens paid for all this), and the more, the better - alas, just to promote your aspirations with you and your associates will not work ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

too many appear those who want the state to provide services, and not for free, and all this was paid by citizens

Listen, a person "with specialized education" have you tried to work? All that to different parasites the state owes, all that owes you, but what about what you owe the state?

Quote: kitt409

alas, just like that, it will no longer be possible to propagate your aspirations with you and your associates ...

My "comrades-in-arms" work on the railroad like robots terminators, while here you are typing answers to me threateningly knocking on the keyboard - I managed to go to a neighboring area to eliminate the consequences of an accident at a railway crossing, and what did you do for the country before presenting your rights, how about fulfilling duties?
He served in the army? Do you pay taxes regularly? Raised three children? Not? So you do not have any rights - did not deserve!

[kitt409]

You’ll poke your goat, we didn’t herd it with you, so bring it up so strictly yourself)))
And who are you to report to you here?)
And if you need to go somewhere, then these are YOUR PROBLEMS, who studied what)))
Whoever wrote about work here, for me ... well, let’s call it like that - experience, as long as many did not even dream about here, so stay at home at home)))
And everything that you asked here, oh, how it was NOT YESTERDAY happened - and about the army, and about taxes, and about children, and your comrade-in-arms is Cosmos, and even a few here, and do not count on the minuses that you are that Cosmos yours - you’re not worth it, the terminators were also found here))))

[region58]

Quote: Setrac

Yeah, such a "kid" got drunk, had an accident

Natural disasters, diseases, man-made disasters - to cancel? In addition, it happens that one "drunk" crowd of innocent people with him to the next world takes. How to be? Life is more complicated than our wildest fantasies ...

[Setrac]

Quote: region58

Natural disasters, diseases, technological disasters - cancel?

Well, that’s why I wrote - an impersonal social network is evil, we need to understand who got a disability.
Alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex - why should the state pay for it? Again, the arrows will be translated, for example, into the military? Are you by any chance her railwayman?

[region58]

Quote: Setrac

depersonalized social - evil, it is necessary to understand who got a disability

I understand the essence of your thoughts, but state institutions work a little differently. And, for example, by reducing social benefits, we will immediately get an increase in social tension (I apologize for the tautology) - crime and other delights ... Accordingly, the costs of the police, prisons, shelters increase ... In the same "decaying west" they understood that it is easier and cheaper to pay an allowance that a person can live on without problems.
PS I have nothing to do with Russian Railways.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Setrac

and our economy wouldn’t limp on both legs - without weights in the form of a pension and social system.

Our economy with existing "economists" and without pension and social, and without other other systems will be limp.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Setrac

If he didn’t raise children, this is the "libero-democrat" who has lived all his life for himself.
Only those who raised children deserve a pension and no matter what he has been doing all his life.
Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.

You don’t carry something, man. Many absolutely normal couples nowadays cannot have children for medical reasons. No matter how hard they try, IVF does not help. And what? Everyone into the furnace? This is called fascism. Follow the speech.

[Setrac]

Quote: astronom1973n

You’re not carrying something, man. Many absolutely normal couples nowadays cannot, for medical reasons, have children.

And why? Alcohol? Drugs? Erratic sex? Let them adopt from the orphanage.

[kitt409]

For the most advanced - they applied for some time ago, they were refused adoption, at first everything was perfect - until they got to geolocation) - I won’t name the true place, but the refusal of adoption to those who live on Novaya Zemlya, for example, is he justified or not?)
AND ENOUGH TO CONFIRM HOW TO TAKE ABOUT ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND JUSTY SECUS, IT IS TIME ALREADY FOR YOU TO RETURN TO OUR SINNY LAND, FROM THIS MYSTERIOUS WORLD, WHICH YOU NEAR (EVER

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

they were refused adoption

So their family problems are more serious than infertility

Quote: kitt409

AND ENOUGH TO CONFIRM HOW TO TRY ABOUT ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND MISCELTED SEX

Because such people come across completely and there is always nothing to protect them. Because I see with my own eyes how young people ruin their health and have never come across hereditary infertility, maybe they are somewhere or maybe not.

[kitt409]

Once again, figuratively speaking, "for those in the tank" - no one will allow adoption to Novaya Zemlya)) - is it so difficult for you to perceive?) Does it happen))
And I already hinted), but I can do it in plain text, so to speak - after such gems that you have already issued here - you have less and less confidence in such "observations" ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Once again, figuratively speaking, "for those in the tank" - no one will allow adoption to Novaya Zemlya)) - is it so difficult for you to perceive?) Does it happen))

For those who are in the tank - go live on Novaya Zemlya - maybe the reason for such a ban will reach you!
In fact, you are not voicing the real reason for the refusal - your right.

[kitt409]

Everything that was needed for your understanding was written to you ALREADY) and the specific place was the AHWT, so you have to get by with figurative thinking))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

All that was needed for your understanding, you ALREADY wrote)

It turns out you yourself to the north a foot, someone else has to work for you?

Quote: kitt409

have to do with imaginative thinking

And I do not need imaginative thinking, I lived in the north for ten years. That's how it turns out, someone is working for the good of the state, he is mastering the north, and someone in Moscow is knocking out preferences for himself, what category do you belong to?

[kitt409]

With your ten whole year olds in the north, you're still a salab) I will have more)
Yes, and for those who are especially knowledgeable, he has already deciphered what does HHT mean? who are you to write about secrets and secrets to you all-all?

[kitt409]

Well, it’s necessary, and here finally came the one who opened his eyes to everyone, and well, he will solve all the problems)))
and before writing this, religion does not allow you to think first? what so many years collected, who will return? AND ABOUT INFLATION EVEN DO NOT REMEMBER)
And the "messiah" is modest for us - already knows that he is both normal and dee capable))))) - well, what about the fact that they are "... responsible ..." (c) - there is nobody and has no doubts, they are trying not to take others into power)))
That is why, what is written in the Constitution - about that social state, and they don’t remember, nudes

[exalibor]

an interesting approach ... a person should pay taxes to the state, should it just spend them and that’s all? and then a person who put his health at work doesn’t need anyone ... well, yes ... everything is fine ... let them think that they should postpone their retirement ... and you yourself living in the 90s or at the beginning of the two thousandth savings on retire? in rubles, euros, in bucks? and what will happen to them in 10 years ... can you predict? and here you propose that a simple person would make an economic forecast for 40 years ahead ... and if he made a mistake in the form of savings, then let him die of hunger? And what about the state, as usual? if so smart, give up your pension and save yourself for old age ... let's see what happens in the end ..

[Setrac]

Quote: exalibor

a person should pay taxes to the state, should it just spend them and that’s all?

The state provides citizens with services: medicine, education, police, army. The retirement fee is spent on current retirees, from you to your parents and from your children to you. The disadvantage is that everything is depersonalized - why on earth should my children keep someone else's pensioners?

[kitt409]

Take the trouble to study first the materiel - what you call the provision of services, REALLY NOT SO, that’s completely different)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Take the trouble to study first the materiel - what you call the provision of services, REALLY NOT SO, that’s completely different)

What is not provided to you? At school you studied for free, you get medical services for free, you turn to the police for free, the army protects you for free, what services are not available to you?
Learn the materiel ...

[kitt409]

What was mentioned, I did and received in ANOTHER state, then it was, now what you have listed exists in the FREE version exclusively on paper and NOT more.
And at first you will have to study the materiel, for those who are especially knowledgeable - what you consider to be services is actually called in a completely different way, you don’t need to deal with concepts

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

What was mentioned, I did and received in ANOTHER state, then it was, now what you have listed exists in the FREE version exclusively on paper and NOT more.

You lie, my son went to the second grade - education is free. He was in the hospital two years ago - he didn’t pay a dime.

Quote: kitt409

You consider services, in fact it’s called in a completely different way, you do not need to deal with the substitution of concepts

From the change of places the terms do not change.

[kitt409]

It’s just you who are lying, and I’ll CAPTURE - who pays contributions to a variety of funds in schools? Pushkin? (((
And about medicine - make an appointment with the doctor, you are tormented to wait for this appointment, or an ambulance, or a pawn to the health office, to see the doctor on duty, do not sit there, wait until the doctor just arrives, it’s possible 30 minutes, maybe an hour - maximum was TWO AND A half HOURS and this is at temperature, and if NOT temperature ???
As for the hospital - try FIRST to go to the hospital, there is a quota, please, but much more often it doesn’t exist - well, except for very difficult cases when it comes to the option of living, not living))
And if you do not consider it necessary to study the conceptual apparatus - this is definitely NOT my problem)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

It’s just you who are lying, and I’ll CAPTURE - who pays contributions to a variety of funds in schools? Pushkin? (((

List these "contributions". Of all the "levies" - for textbooks and notebooks, water in the study, the most expensive "levy" - for air conditioning - but the teacher did not even stutter about it.

Quote: kitt409

As for the hospital - try first to get to the hospital, there is a quota

It's just the opposite - try to take a break from the hospital - when they need to fulfill the quota.

Quote: kitt409

And about medicine - make an appointment with the doctor, torment yourself to wait for this entry

Take a ticket at the reception - and at the indicated time for reception.

[kitt409]

It feels like YOU live on another planet, coupon, speak? Once, on Wednesday and making an appointment two weeks in advance, you can hardly get an appointment by noon, there are no vacancies) Moreover, an appointment with the so-called narrow specialists - well, apart from the therapist, after the therapist’s appointment, his direction and if there is a quota, I can only be saved by the fact that at one time one doctor who refused to take the child on Saturday, such as not her site, was dismissed on Monday with a stigma on the forehead, so solely for this reason - the use of administrative resources, I called someone, they sometimes respond to some of my requests a little easier than in normal mode ...
And about contributions, everything is simple - to the development fund ... and that’s all, a little water, yes, but they don’t hand over textbooks, sometimes it happens on notebooks, but this is when a teacher with a narrow focus justifies that such notebooks are needed .. .

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

I can only be saved by the fact that at one time one doctor who refused to accept a child on Saturday, such as not her site, was dismissed on Monday with a bang

The human factor has not been canceled, this happens.

Quote: kitt409

It feels like YOU live on another planet, coupon, speak?

I do not mind, in medicine it is necessary to restore order - the system is not perfect, but it is - this system.

[kitt409]

There is, but it’s free there mainly in legal acts, no more ...
And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

There is, but it’s free there mainly in legal acts, no more ...
And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....

Turbid stream of consciousness, bother to adequately express your thoughts.

[kitt409]

Well, the fact that what is written here is not accessible to your understanding is definitely NOT my problem, I can sympathize with you, but there is nothing to help, try to read it again, then again - and so on until you understand the meaning of what was written ...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

written here is not available for your understanding

Well, for sure - Russian is not native to you.

Quote: kitt409

And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....

Let me draw your attention to the fact that this is a complete sentence, quoted entirely. Learn Russian language.

[kitt409]

Start with yourself)) if someone is NOT able to understand the meaning, then these are NOT my problems, but more precisely write, why ?? - I won’t be surprised if someone) also writes a statement to the authorities, but in this case, it won’t work))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

I won’t be surprised if someone) also writes a statement to the authorities, but in this case, it won’t work))

Have you recently rushed off? Where does this negative to organs come from?
Everything is clear with you, I dare not bother you anymore.

[kitt409]

As you would expect, you didn’t understand anything, well, it’s somehow even good ...

[kitt409]

The state of the terms to measure, it is strong))))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

The state of the terms to measure, it is strong))))

I’ll clarify - since this is fundamental for you. Educational SERVICES, medical SERVICES, security are also SERVICES.

[kitt409]

Well then, I’ll clarify - all of the above is NOT a service)) you don’t own the conceptual apparatus, but you don’t want to admit it, you don’t want it or you don’t care), for example, for such an answer in an exam or a test , You WOULD NOT get a positive assessment)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

all of the above are NOT services

Yeah, medical SERVICES - they are not SERVICES.
Do you realize what you are writing?
Quote

Quote: Setrac

medical services

Quote: kitt409

NOT services

Services are not services - this is a new word in Russian.

[kitt409]

How much can you explain to "specialists" that what exactly you like to use this particular expression does NOT mean at all that it actually is))) is not a service ...
Namely, our government figures have been dreaming for many years to transfer everything to commercial rails, continue to help them in every possible way and further, anyway it will at least somehow sideways affect either you personally or your relatives (((
In general, the ease of your handling of the wording strongly resembles the old term "plus-minus tram stop" (c)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

How long can you explain to "specialists" that what you like best

This is not "I like", it is. MILITARY SERVANTS, "civil servants" and so on, these people do not have a job, but a service, and we all use their services.

Quote: kitt409

In general, the ease of your handling of the wording strongly resembles the old term "plus-minus tram stop" (c)))

And you try to learn Russian better.

[kitt409]

And how does the service of someone influence the fact that this is what you consider to be services, in fact, NOT being such?)
And who would have written about the need to study the Russian language ???))))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

And how does the service of someone influence the fact that this is what you consider to be services, in fact, NOT being such?)

I consider a service a service because it is called a service. You do not agree that a service is a service?
You need to study identities, equalities and other similar concepts.

[kitt409]

I. and not just me, By the way, you have already written to the next topic)))

[kitt409]

Nothing that you are trying to compare two quotes from two DIFFERENT AUTHORS ??))

[Setrac]

Quote: KOCMOC

state parasites and dependents? Weakly take our fate into our own hands?

18 minuses - how many freeloaders and dependents are on the site.

[kitt409]

there are much more of them, but to promote you to generals is like something later)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

there are much more of them, but to promote you to generals

You pay too much attention to bullshit titles, if I were afraid of the minuses - and chased the pluses - I would write quite another.

[kitt409]

Have you heard anything about humor? No campaign - it happens)))
I have enough of my real regalia, but the rest is vanity))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Have you heard anything about humor? No campaign - it happens)))

My sense of humor is somewhere there - on yesterday's booze left.

[kitt409]

This is definitely NOT my problem))

[milton]

Quote: KOCMOC

Quote: Tatiana

And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.

You, dear yourself, believe that the state will give you just a penny just like that? If so, you are a big optimist

[KOCMOC]

Quote: milton

You, dear yourself, believe that the state will give you just a penny just like that? If so, you are a big optimist

For starters, you don’t understand what the state is, today the state itself does not earn money, it is you who keep the state structure on your money in the form of taxes. Which the state apparatus distributes, maintains an army, ensures the rule of law, issues laws under which you live, infrastructure projects. Another question is the efficiency of this unit. So there is nothing more to expect or ask from the state, except perhaps even more order, security, better laws, good roads. Everything else is yourselves, this is freedom. That USSR earned money by forcibly exploiting its citizens, depriving so to speak of some freedom. But at the same time he taught you, healed, gave you work, paid you a fixed salary, but less than the real value, controlled the prices. Everything was from the point of view of economic benefits, justified, hence the norms standards, equality, the same things, a small selection, simple small cars. But stupid people did not appreciate such a state, didn’t save it, called it totalitarian, demanded freedom, consumer goods, now cheer misters, don’t be overwhelmed.

[kitt409]

What we will chew, we ourselves, without the advice of "well-wishers" will decide), but before you write such dregs about the state, at least a couple of textbooks would not hurt to look through, at least diagonally))) especially about the state - with your point of view, inspires))))))
And do not choke, do not worry, many now have a goal - to survive to retirement, in spite of such power)

[exalibor]

just don’t just poke those present here that they destroyed the Union and wanted the so-called freedom ... we didn’t take part in it ... and, moreover, nothing depended on us ... everything depended on those who were sitting upstairs ...

[goose]

Quote: KOCMOC

again, you don’t have to pay your hard earned money to the pension fund

Will social payroll tax disappear? If I deducted 22% over my retirement salary, it would be nice. Now they simply disappear or go on preferential pensions, which in theory should be provided by the state, but it ensures its promises at the expense of other people.

[KOCMOC]

Quote: goose

Social payroll tax the same disappear

Of course, no social and other payments, only tax.
R.s. It is clear that, no matter how, someone talks about the state’s refusal of pension obligations, they will never be canceled, there will always be a certain percentage of unsettled and socially irresponsible people in society, for the sake of humanity, they must be kept at the expense of other more successful members of the society . By the way, the government does the right thing, which does not increase the size of pensions, and also increases the retirement age, people should be forced to quietly break the stereotypes of dependent thinking, try to push them in addition to hoping for a state pension, they also made personal savings, something doesn’t stop retiring prematurely . Accustom to independence and responsibility, would learn to understand that the state is not some abstract, extraneous structure, they are the state, founders, beneficiaries, and therefore, to give to the state or to demand from it is tantamount to giving and demanding from yourself, must learn to treat their state as their home or enterprise, only the success and prosperity of each person will make the state successful, helping yourself help the state, but not the other way around, it means thieves and corrupt officials, etc. ..

[kitt409]

In vain, so comrade at an accelerated pace to grow up to Marshal)))

[kitt409]

At least for the minuses, at least for the pros do not even hope - what else, to increase the rating for such opuses , and the meaning in your "creativity" did not even spend the night) I do not even remember about grammar - it is necessary to disfigure the language so that it would not even be possible to understand at times what is written)))

[Aktium]

And you work in the office, and you don’t lift anything heavier than a glass. And what about those who are in the north, on the highway, in the mine, in the field and even in school

[gridasov]

In such statements, a complete inability of a person is manifested, so to speak, to see the role of an official in deciding the fate of the most diverse destinies of people. Personally, for such liberty and provocation to discredit the authorities, I would immediately remove all government posts and conduct an investigation on the acquisition of various profitable assets. And let it go for free bread. The state is strong in that it can correctly determine the dominions and priorities in its activities. The working people should be provided, as well as everyone who gave their potential a decent pension. An retirement pension is a manifestation of a wise state policy towards its subjects

[Sarcasm]

Yeah, to throw the disabled from the cliff!

[milton]

The worst thing is that this person is also a leader in edra! What are the drivers with their hand on, they just take horror

[alexmach]

then the whole party looks like a COLLECTION of useful "idiots"

She doesn’t look like that, they are.

[uyrii]

looking at his photo, I can’t believe that he is a plastic surgeon, but he looks like a deputy.

[Baloo]

Quote: Tatar 174

A man is not adequate and without a brain in his head

I almost didn’t make a mistake with the McCain forecast, I’m not mistaken here either. In the next 7-9 years, this snickering deputoid will have the opportunity to once again ponder his attitude to pension after a stroke or heart attack dodges him. Are all patients of this doctoroid happy?

[faridg7]

Quote: Balu

Are all patients of this doctoroid happy?

Yes, if everyone was happy, would he need parliamentary immunity?

[cost]

Who chose him? Voters have nothing to do with the campaign. besides, they get deputy from party lists.

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Rich

Who chose him?

We, Yaroslavl
True, this character was not in my area ...
I had enough billboards in the area with my classmate, whom I pulled a drunk from a hostel into a Drybadan But now a non-drinker, advocating for a city and a country! Oh how! Yes, he wouldn’t vote for him in life, knowing how he got there, as candidates ...

So we live ... There are no Lenins and Stalin among the candidates. And in that way they would not have taken power. And those who are ... so, parasites sucked

[Sergei75]

Do you think he
Have you heard of the distraction maneuver? They will now make him rich with tenders and government orders, because he covered with his chest.

[Machito]

An ordinary deputy from "United Russia" betrayed the secret aspirations of the entire party.

[210ox]

"The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire United Russia. The deputy head of the United Russia Duma faction, Andrei Isaev, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions." However, the party supported this inadequacy in the elections. talk about the opinion of one person. Expel him first, then tryndite.

[Dude]

Yes, the deputy head of the Duma fraction of United Russia party is cunning Andrei Isaev! What, is this the first such statement coming from the bowels of his party?

It's just a window, his mother, Overton. First, raising the retirement age, then abolishing the pension, in general, then the patsaks will be forced to wear a tsak, and serfdom can be restored there!

They will also explain that being a slave is very good and pleasant! You don’t need to think about anything - the owner will feed and give water and drink. He is not an enemy of himself, he will take care of his property)))

The class of the new "elite" has already been formed.
Now the new patricians need slaves.

[Machito]

Do the patricians need pitchforks?

[Semurg]

Quote: Bearded

Do the patricians need pitchforks?

They already have villas.

[Dude]

Quote: Bearded

Do the patricians need pitchforks?

I mean, sideways?))

[another RUSICH]

And now, attention, the question is: who elected him deputy?
People!

[210ox]

About the "people" ... The pension reform has passed. In the collective at work, there is virtually no reaction. I ask, well, now will you vote against United Russia? No, FOR! Why? Yes, there is no one else for you .. Here is the "terrible Russian revolt" upstairs they see and monitor everything, so you can do whatever you want with us.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: 210ox

I ask, well, now will you vote against the EP? No, FOR! Why? Yes, there is no one else .. Here is the "terrible Russian revolt" Up there they see and monitor everything. So you can do whatever you want with us.

They needed the electorate, not the proletariat. They created it.

[kitt409]

And the return does not torment ??
WELL, IF I CHARGE "COLA", AND AT LEAST ONE HANDLE ???)))
P.S. Do not forget to find out what a "stake" is in basketball))

[Sergei75]

Yes, Pu and Dimon will give him the Hero of Russia, because he covered with his chest, now everyone will forget about raising the retirement age.
In tactics this is called - a distraction!

[Vard]

But in principle, a good idea, provided that the state pays a lump sum of all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishing the pension fund ... In my case, this is about seven million rubles ...

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Vard

provided that the state pays with a lump sum all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishment of the pension fund

What are you, brother? Forgot the saying "What fell from the cart ..."? Almost everyone has a rather large sum to retire, but what will the government officials and their servants and their relatives live on?

[Vard]

But this question doesn’t concern me ... Or money for a barrel, or let them introduce a mandatory examination of deputies and officials for mental health ...

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Vard

Either money for a barrel or let them introduce a mandatory examination of deputies and officials for mental health ...

Oh, well, you say ... Do you even live in Russia or where? These deputies and officials, well, some of them with a mentally abnormal diagnosis, in order to become one, they bought university diplomas, where they were either too lazy to study or just dumb they bought everything or would buy, including the same experts who would have to examine them and they will write in the results that everything is normal ... And you think that they just take and give the money ??? ...

[Machito]

The priest does not have change.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Vard

But in principle, a good idea, provided that the state pays a lump sum of all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishing the pension fund ...

Do you want to risk playing gambling with the State?
In such a situation, the hyperinflation and devaluation of the 90s will seem like flowers and you can buy only a can of stew for your "muliennes".

[Finches]

In order to become a deputy it is imperative to have the opinion of a psychiatrist and not one on hand ... However, sometimes it seems that people having such an opinion become a deputy .... positive!

[prapor55]

Rather, without a certificate of a mental health disorder, you could not even think of a deputy and, all the more, of membership in United Russia.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: prapor55

Rather, without a certificate of a mental health disorder, you could not even think of a deputy and, all the more, of membership in United Russia.

And in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with a certificate or does it by itself assume that its member is the "gene pool of the nation"?

[prapor55]

I’m not a fan of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, just using my majority, I went beyond all reasonable limits. PS Former members of the CPSU now hold power

[Lara Croft]

Quote: prapor55

I’m not a fan of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, just using my majority, I went beyond all reasonable limits. PS Former members of the CPSU now hold power

Yes, understand that the members of the EP or the Liberal Democratic Party, or the Communist Party, these are people from one entrance and they do not change anything in the country, they change (a little) in the country their older comrades ....

[prapor55]

But I haven’t answered you that way?

[Ross xnumx]

Do not need any conclusions from doctors. Pull anyone - either an athlete, or an artist, or a lawyer, or some kind of professional ... Who of these deputies earned a penny. There used to be Vasily Shandybin, something was in him from the peasant. And now? Therefore, they sit and are hungry before the people in their inventions.
The first thing that had to be canceled was the benefits and privileges after leaving the post. Leave a few for the president and all! And here, whatever, it’s either with poppy seeds or with sesame seeds. They spend 18 thousand for medicines ... they pay 12 thousand for an apartment ... Yes, your problems. The people did not hire you to support your palaces, servants, kitties, dogs and other animals.
There was a sensible proposal about the federation council. 1 person from a million inhabitants, regardless of the status of the region. Let them work and decide what to do, but on the ground. So that people can reach out to them. Now the means of communication are quite perfect. You can also vote from a "computer". And in order not to relax, the population should have the right to recall the "snickering" or overstepping, or lying ...

[Machito]

Not just to recall, but to plant thieves.

[Aktium]

In our country, this is utopia.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: ROSS 42

Now the means of communication are quite perfect. You can also vote from a "computer". And in order not to relax, the population should have the right to recall the "snickering" or overstepping, or lying ...

In-in! Voting should be open online on the public services website or through the ESIA, then the fraud will be much less, or they will report that the EP received 70 percent or more, where there are such deputies with such proposals (see photo). We know what she got.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Finches

However, sometimes it seems that just people having such a conclusion become a deputy .... positive!

Well, what is the system, such are the "heroes"

[Machito]

Too many macaroni lately.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Bearded

Too many macaroni lately.

On the ears?

[Starover_Z]

the softest thing that the subscribers of the deputy’s page suggested was the excommunication of Petrovsky from his chair with employment in a mine without further entitlement to receive a pension.

And not on a state mine, but on a privatized one, with private ownership! How much I earned, I got so much, according to the volume made! And indeed, without retirement in the future!

At least six months would have him for such bread!

[1 Navigator]

Well, what can I say! You hold on there no money at all.

[DEDPIHTO]

Money is not about our honor, if you look at the budget surplus and the purchase of gold. But such a statement from the ruling party is not the first and looks like manipulating attention - to switch popular anger (and, accordingly, demands) from the held pension, reform, to the next possible one. At the same time, we’re eating Russia, we say such fools are only piece-wise, and the majority of party members are quite prudent and socially responsible people who support the people and the country)).

The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire United Russia party. Andrei Isaev, deputy head of the United Russia Duma faction, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

There is money, but not about our honorif you look at the budget surplus and the purchase of gold.

Grandpa Pikhto! I don't even doubt that not all surplus money is being told to us. I gave an example of oil, talking about $ 55. This is a real, tax-free amount. And then there is gas ... But you never know? If they were rooting for the country, they would not poke some American bans in our faces. The light has converged like a wedge on more than one United States. And they will be rude, in their insolent face even with "Caliber", even with "Dagger", even just from the hand ... They diluted the polishes with parasites and themselves became the same.

[Machito]

Drones lit up.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ANCIENT

.typical liberal neurotic, living to the detriment of the country.

why "liberal"? this is a bright representative of the ruling party "Edro" .... before the abolition of pensions, not a single "liberast" even thought of ...

[ANCIENT]

Yurievich -if judged by the laws that the party of power is imposing on the country, there are totally liberal enemies of the people. Moreover, the enemies of the people are real, without quotes.

[ltc35]

They recruit anyone in EP for any quantity, and then they scratch their turnips, what to do ... One thing is alarming: first, the Samara region, now this is inadequate. Some unhealthy trend, however, is being drawn. Perhaps they are preparing for something?

[edmed]

Quote: ltc35

Perhaps they are preparing for something?

Are they probing the soil, checking the reaction, the indicator of "pension reform", were there any indignations? So the swamp swayed, the norms can continue to act.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

why "liberal"? this is a bright representative of the ruling party "Edro" .... before the abolition of pensions, not a single "liberast" even thought of ...

Horror who do we choose? And there are such "patriots" in the entire State Duma, but how can we recall it? Once the people have chosen, then the people should recall this son of Lieutenant Schmidt.
There is a counter proposal from a rival party, quite reasonable, fair, but a priori impossible.

[Declarant]

Very sensible offer. This is possible in the presidency.

[1 Navigator]

What a liberal representative of United Russia

[kitt409]

write again) 00

[Conductor]

So there the whole party is people with low social responsibility.

[Krasnodar]

No way. I know the deputy (district) of Yedros, to whom, at the time of the reception, grannies come asking for money. And he gives them out of his pocket.

[ANCIENT]

Krasnodar - do not believe it, but I know several people who help the poor or the poor, and not one of them is and will not be a member of the party in power, or they will not even get into the local government.

[Krasnodar]

Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.

[Vladimir Teplov]

And how during the war the Nazis were determined by one comb or not. This is a good fascist and this is bad

[Krasnodar]

Very incorrect comparison.

[AUL]

Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?

[Krasnodar]

Quote from AUL

Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?

1) In order to really change something
2) To protect your business
3) For other personal preferences

[saigon]

So from your conclusions in EDROs I come from selfish motives?
Although, he knew the heads of the maternity hospital doctor who had joined the party for the needs of his maternity hospital

[Krasnodar]

Quote: saigon

So from your conclusions in EDROs I come from selfish motives?
Although, he knew the heads of the maternity hospital doctor who had joined the party for the needs of his maternity hospital

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote from AUL

Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?

1) In order to really change something
2) To protect your business
3) For other personal preferences

In the case of your friends - point one

[saigon]

We will take paragraph number one as an exception, and two and three remain, the result is sad.

[Krasnodar]

Not certainly in that way.
Why does a person - no matter which country in the world - get into politics in general?
1) Self-realization and recognition - the top of the pyramid of A. Maslov
2) The psychological factor - when I made money / have money - I want power. It’s also acceptable - I’ve achieved something in my life / inherited something / both, I want something more. Examples are Trump, Berlusconi, Kennedy.
3) Vocation - there are such people. Public enthusiasts. A bit of careerism in character - and forward.
4) Features of the social structure of the country - plowed, hunched over, did not sleep at night - created their own business, which reached an acceptable level of income - they can be overcome. Therefore, to protect the cause of his life, a person goes to the party in power. There is nothing wrong with that - if he knows how to work, organize and control - he will be more useful than harm.
5) For the sake of personal preferences and material wealth - this is the whole world. And it all depends on the personal qualities of a particular person. In most cases, this is very bad due to abuse of power. But sometimes we are talking about completely normal people who in the power structures will provide for themselves (legally - salaries, privileges) are much better than on free bread.
So it’s an exception or a rule, or maybe given - it’s hard to say

[Machito]

Deputy activity is just a business, making money.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.

A normal person will not get into such a company. I think that your deputy with interest beat off those grandmothers that are distributed to grannies.

[Krasnodar]

He has his own business. He is a rich man.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

He has his own business. He is a rich man.

And in power it will become even richer.

[Krasnodar]

No, not that case.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

No, not that case.

Then why does he need this hemorrhoid? He would establish a charity fund and help everyone in a row. And if he is in EdR, then the EdR policy suits him. How to explain this?

[Krasnodar]

He probably wants to change something in this country for the better. And United Russia is closer to him than the Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party and others.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Krasnodar

He probably wants to change something in this country for the better. And United Russia is closer to him,

Party discipline will not allow him to change anything there. Naturally, he can improve something there at the district level. By weaning others. And that’s all. It would be better to create a fund.

[Krasnodar]

Wait and see. That he will not take anything away from others - I am sure, before his deputy, he helped a lot of people without a fund, and we will see what he really can. Time will tell )).

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Krasnodar

Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.

Right That edrosovets deputy of the State Duma Makarov is a completely different matter, wholeheartedly rooting for the people)) I wonder only what kind of people? He will be one of yours, only you will not be gathered for permanent residence.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, Makarov is a typically Jewish surname. Straight Hinstein. And what's wrong with him?

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, Makarov is a typically Jewish surname. Straight Hinstein. And what's wrong with him?

Come on pretend to be, your usual business for your name to ,, convenient, change, living in Russia And why not look at his initiatives on YouTube or on the Internet and read, and given the negligible number of fellow tribesmen in Russia (less than 1% and everything in business and in government), you can understand against whom such initiatives are directed. And yes, Hinshtein, a former anti-corruption fighter (she only grew by leaps and bounds because no one fought, only on TV PR), watching over Rosguardia (well, how to leave the gop-general unattended) and now got dep. mandate from an area that has never had anything to do with . And besides these, how many more at different levels, here you can generally talk about a creeping capture ..

[Krasnodar]

Yes, you are so nervous
Jews in power - miserable, in business - a lot, and no one has changed their names for a long time))

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, you are so nervous
Jews in power - miserable, in business - a lot, and no one has changed their names for a long time))

Tell grandmothers on the central TV channels (and here your propagandists) and not me. Bad it all ends, for everyone.

[Krasnodar]

Well yes. Soon we will calculate, arrest you for inciting ethnic hatred, take him to occupied Palestine, put blood on matzo, freeze our ears on Purim, and sacrifice our body as a sacrifice to a Zionist idol - a golden calf named Ben Gurion

[DEDPIHTO]

Your idol will choke, I'm old and tasteless For Russophobia and genocide of the Russian people, my children will ask the Zionists if I have no fate.

[DEDPIHTO]

By threatening me with murder, you Krasnodar already provided yourself with an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. So do not relax, dry crackers ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

By threatening me with murder, you Krasnodar already provided yourself with an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. So do not relax, dry crackers ...

So Ben Gurion with his spouse Sobchak (Finkelstein-Great-grandmother Dial) do not eat to death

[Conductor]

The deputy has other functions rather than giving out money out of pocket.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Conductor

The deputy has other functions rather than giving out money out of pocket.

And would you be able to refuse the granny?

[Conductor]

But I do not refuse, in our cooperative, we help the poor, where we will pay electricity for them, who do not want to heat gas, then we will throw up firewood and coal, dig up a garden, collect a crop, that we can help with their country houses, and we urban area, if they sell, do not let the price deceive, but just come, sit, mourn with the elderly listen to them

[Krasnodar]

So this deputy does not refuse)) And they go to him mainly for money

[RitaNik]

Actually, mercy! Nude is given secretly "but the right hand does not know what the left is doing." Otherwise it's PR. Is your deputy feeding the electorate? )))

[Iline]

The deputy head of the Duma faction of United Russia Andrei Isaev noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

I will support your thought. After, thanks to edra, pension was actually canceled by raising the retirement age, talking about the irresponsibility of an individual bright representative of this party from the outside looks ridiculous. And sad.

[vladimirvn]

These "reformers" are directly gushing with ideas. You can, of course, show off as long as you have health and, accordingly, money.

[Graz]

in ery for some reason a much larger percentage of inadequate power than in other parties
why they don’t check them with a psychiatrist every year

[askort154]

I looked at this face, exhausted by the continuous "meetings", and immediately understood that it was another deputy who flashed his erudition and care for the people.

[Krasnodar]

If we ignore his ideas - a decent person, an oncologist, a plastic surgeon. The question is how adequate)))

[Vard]

The surgeon is plastic ... that’s it all ... And if you take into account that the list of hymenoplasty services, then I don’t even know how to call it ...

[Krasnodar]

Why? Among the girls - representatives of some ethnic diasporas, a quite popular operation))

[Mountain shooter]

Stupid person ... No words ... Generally stupid. He studied poorly at the institute, and did not outline the Criticism of the Gotha Program. I did not teach political economy.

[ANCIENT]

here you have the scots-ryo-lo party of power in the photo

[The leader of the Redskins]

Sinking to the level of slaughtered Central Asian countries?
Yes, don't use epithets on this ... "face"! Don't waste your energy ...
I am sure he is already picking up with his fingers - sausages a refutation that his page was hacked, and so it is white and fluffy!

[tanelorn]

Good to all. About pensions, it seems, is prescribed in the Constitution. And it (the deputy) is against. Never undermining the Constitutional norms of the Russian Federation.

[afrikanez]

Isn't it this face (rather a snout) who "ruled" in the PRF, as at home, and now is talking all sorts of nonsense?

[Conductor]

In general, EP should exclude him for such an affront.

[VALERIK_097]

In fact, it is necessary not to exclude it, but to plant it!
Swung on the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular on Article 7
After all, his wife, not drunk in the kitchen, was trembling.

[saigon]

Dear Yerosty, they should not exclude him, and after the pension reform they can safely dissolve themselves, as they are completely messed up in violation of the constitution.
And I do not think that the curses of people will pass for them in vain.

[oracul]

There is only one question - why do people with such views become members of EP and deputies? I’m not talking about mental deviations, because I understand that if he had told his voters about his idea before the elections, then he would not see him as a deputy, as his ears.

[Dude]

Do not you think that the answer to your question is already contained in the question itself?

[Non liberoid Russian]

well, what to take from him ... the carcass ran for September and the Communist Party deputy lost and a scandal with a fit of hysteria ... on the local channel for a long time he delirious

[Gardamir]

Why was everyone so excited? Raising the retirement age also began with the statements of individual deputies.

[Fanis]

To write such a heresy so that everyone knows that you are a stupid person - D. Petrovsky did it ...

[Dude]

This is not heresy. This is a focused throw-in, to study the reaction, and, which is a hundred times more important, putting this issue on the agenda.

[Thunderbolt]

adding that he is also against pension as such.
...

The party led by the president is on the right track As soon as the counts and barons were introduced, there is feudalism, and slaves are exchanged with incomprehensible substance. This is a mess! Great society gentlemen from the highest caste of officials must take care of the decision and lower it down. The President will sign .... this is an article about the boyars, and the tsar is talking about .... he thinks he thinks to crush the dollar, but if he lived on a salary, and, moreover, on the security of the FSO and the Rotenbergs, then human laws might be adopted, and not like now.?

[rotmistr60]

oncologist (in combination - a plastic surgeon)

Concurrently, a municipal deputy. Inadequacy rushing not only from him, but also very often from the deputies of the State Duma - the status is higher, and therefore more inadequacy. Honestly, I ceased to be surprised (indignant) by the expression of individuals in a high position. It may be that with such a ryah, a pension is really not needed, but the retirement age will be suitable and will require, moreover, the position occupied, which means an increased one.

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

Is this for sure a doctor and a deputy ...?
Or is it some kind of cannibal, well, at best, the leader of some organized crime group?

[Million]

And every two such deputies. In the party Edro-even more

[ROBIN-SON]

I would not go to him as a doctor. Well it is. But if his opinion does not reflect the opinion of your party, then part with him. Let it go to the Liberal Democratic Party or the Communist Party ...

[Was mammoth]

Article 3 of the Constitution of Russia.

1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through government bodies and local governments.
3. The highest direct expression of people's power is a referendum and free elections.
4. No one can usurp power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law..

The Constitution of Russia is the basic law?
The Supreme Court rejected the referendum.
Presumably, the authorities consider the first stage of the "pension reform" completed. As Medvedev put it: "... we must accept ...". You can proceed to the second stage - the complete elimination of pensions.
Petrovsky is not the only one. Is this the first time you hear such an offer?

[private person]

The highest direct expression of people's power is a referendum and free elections.

Oh, not for a simple reason, the guarantor put a devoted person in the leadership of Ros.guard, and he did not raise their retirement age either.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: private person

Oh, not for a simple reason, the guarantor put a devoted person in the leadership of Ros.guard, and he did not raise their retirement age either.

Oh, not easy!

[Cycle boss]

If he said he was against pensions for the government !! That yes ... and so no .. Ticket deputies ..

[private person]

Eliminate the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation! Fully. Property to sell. Officials work.

Well, not all the staff should be dispersed, but most of it should be left at the expense of property only with what is needed in the work. And so the opinion of this deputy reflects the attitude of those in power towards us mere mortals. They consider us a consumable, worked and die so as not to pay a pension.

[Vanek]

He is groot.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Vanek

He is groot.

More like Hodor from Game of Thrones

[faterdom]

The United Russia members are the same Ukrainian elite, who simply did not wander to full readiness. It is easy to imagine that such types will finance some "nazbats" to promote their interests to the masses. And vote for a multiple increase in housing prices.

[Yellow bubble]

Just for that, plant !!!

[APASUS]

That's right! Although the representative of the government does not hide the true intentions. The fact that all social benefits, primarily the merit of socialism, but now capitalism has come.
Everything is honest and noble, from the high stands it is said that the authorities think

[Mestny]

The expected stream of comments.
Voters again, nothing to do with, and of course he was sent to us from another planet.
Let’s increase the intensity of watering with the slops of our government!
The main thing at the same time is not to work by any chance, so that nothing would fall into the pockets of the oligarchs.
Aw, fighters with the regime - do you even understand that you are being used?

[APASUS]

Quote: Mestny

fighters with the regime - do you even understand that you are being used?

So you better say right away that he did not say this or as it should be with the authorities:
A man similar to Skuratov .......................

[Mestny]

I’d better say right away that to interpret about power and the people as two single objects is suitable for teenagers and rallies.
In fact, "power" as well as "people" is extremely complex and varied in manifestations of the system.

[Sotskiy]

The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire "United Russia"

But in the State Duma, in a strange way, he reflects such Petrovsky in a collective frenzy when voting.

[Tusv]

E my friend deputy. Yes, here it sounds like a call to mass ephtanasia. This is a long term.

[Mihail55]

Again our Yaroslavl thundered all over Russia !!! But not yet evening! All a Happy Holiday! There were also bright days at our ancient city - 4 months was the CAPITAL in 1612 !!!
How such individuals disgrace the memory of glorious countrymen ...

[Mestny]

Do not worry. You will still have such an opportunity to be the capital if the fighters with the current regime win.
There will be a Yaroslavl democratic republic under the wise protectorate of NATO.

[Mamuka Petrovich]

Man is divorced from current realities. Someone lives from paycheck to paycheck, someone pays a mortgage, a loan, teaches children and there is no opportunity to postpone for old age. And with age, there are still expenses for treatment. Well, those who are not sitting in the office, who have difficult, harmful working conditions by the age of 60, ate their feet.

[Mestny]

Someone yes, and someone no. Both of them are citizens of one country.
But the communists will tell you that in the USSR everyone was equal.
The choice, as always, is yours - to believe these stories, and destroy an unfair state, plunging the rest into the abyss of civil war and redivision, or still accept reality as an inevitable fact, and continue to live more or less normal.

[kitt409]

Are you trying to advocate non-resistance to evil with violence?
And keep your ideas that in the fight against the regime "everything will lead exclusively to NATO, keep it to yourself - oh, how ambiguous, apart from revolutions, there are also evolutions, did you not know?)

[Prisoner]

He will have to make plastic for himself and change his last name. Or maybe citizenship.

[friend of animals]

There are similar cases in world practice. The point is that the person himself should save money in a separate bank account at a preferential interest rate with certain conditions for using this account. But money does not disappear anywhere, does not "burn" after death. In our country, of course, this option is complicated by the Soviet past and the thieves' present. But for the new generation, the option is quite suitable. People did not understand the essence of the proposal, he did not mean to deprive today's pensioners of their pensions.

One way or another, today's pension system is worthless and provides the widest scope for theft.

[hohkn]

Quote: friend of beasts

The bottom line is that the person himself would save money on a separate bank account at a reduced rate with certain conditions for using this account.

And then the bank is covered with a copper basin, as they have already done over 400. And the insurer is returning as many as 700 thousand (or is it now a little more?) - the main thing is not to deny yourself anything with this money.

[friend of animals]

Initially, this is a bank with state participation. Although in Russia, anything can cover up and depreciate, then you can add money under the mattress.

[denart50]

"only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions"...

Well, or a plastic surgeon, of whom the aforementioned soothsayer is ... I think that operations of this type allow him to accumulate certain amounts for living in old age ... However, not all in our country are such specialists ...
"We are talking about deputy Dmitry Petrovsky, an oncologist (concurrently - plastic surgeon) local clinic "...

[Govorun]

The "EP" reacted to the proposal of the deputy on the dissolution of the FIU and the abolition of pensions
It is now a fashion to join "EP" not because of the presence of mind, but because of its absence ... ??? Maybe it's time for EdRoss to clean up the staff, I understand that there will be no one there then to work, but these parasites do not work anyway, but squander the budget ...

[Mestny]

And who works in their place?
Or is nobody working at all? Then I don’t see any reason to change the flea, if all the same no one works.

[wlkw]

I hope that this idiot is even thrown out of the deputies

[mavrus]

Yeah, wait ... This one will be sent to the State Duma rather "for promotion".

[Shelest2000]

He simply expressed what the Government is dreaming of. burned their hidden desires. In general, it is not surprising - this is EP ...

[Tashkent citizen]

First, to fool him, and then retire for brain disability.

[Dr. Alban-M]

Pension reform is aimed primarily .to destroy those born in the USSR! After all, men?
And it will be easier to work with young people with nothing to compare ...
Tell "old folk" to your children and your grandson what happened and what happened (while they are still alive) .. And especially what can happen to Russia! Who plans to make the West Russian (I think it's not worth reminding? ..)

[Altona]

Anyone who advocates the abolition of pensions and raising the retirement age is worthy of execution. And it is not discussed.

[Dr. Alban-M]

Quote: Altona

Anyone who advocates the abolition of pensions and raising the retirement age is worthy of execution. And it is not discussed.

I for example and what? Quickly die out, so as not to see the collapse of Russia .. Such are the things!

[Ros 56]

Here is this emaciated, you must first, as a true patriot, check everything on yourself. I propose: by a special law of the Duma to refuse to accrue pensions to Petrovsky upon reaching retirement age for life. Further decision on pensions should be made based on the results of the experiment. Well and for reliability to select some more deputies supporting such point of view.

[mavrus]

I just want to look into the eyes of those who "vote" for such.

[Ros 56]

Another thought on this subject, the proposal is good, but apply it only to deputies of all levels and officials at the level of heads of administrations, ministers and their deputies and heads of departments and commanders, and all ministries and departments without exception. How much money will remain in the FIU can’t even imagine

[fif21]

Is it really necessary to make a retirement age of 100 years, so that people understand that future retirees simply can’t live to retire! The ratio of prices to salaries does not contribute to the growth of life expectancy. HLS - requires large expenses (sports, food, recreation ..) cost money and, moreover, not small. Life expectancy grows only in reports, and a simple analysis of mortality by category: civil servant, individual entrepreneur, wage worker .. will show that the most vulnerable sectors of the population have a wage worker, self-employed .. average life expectancy of 50-60 years. You wish that you would be paid money in the FIU - your right. But to think about how to ensure your old age is also your right. Young people who are now 18–25 years old should already think about whether I need a pension fund from the Russian Federation or non-state pension funds. The ease with which the state changes the rules of the game and appropriates pension money for itself is shocking to me. There are two ways - to bring thieves out of the country or take care of yourself (to become the same, and provide yourself and the children with a prosperous future)

[gurzuf]

The most striking thing is that we ourselves are planting these mules for "feeding" with our own hands. Moreover, not only for one term!

[ltc35]

Quote: KOCMOC

Quote: Tatiana

And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.

Mil, man! First, cancel inflation and other disasters. Then I’ll be ready to put off my retirement. The state is simply obliged to take care of old people who have worked all their lives for it and no matter how. Someone at the machine, someone in the field, and someone as a teacher, everyone worked for the country, creating the benefits that everyone uses!

[Yves762]

Mil, man!

Quote: ltc35

ltc35 (Alexey)

And you in the leadership of such personnel that

inflation and other disasters

arrange to stop, stop .... Um .... More precisely, stop choosing those that plant those that suit

inflation and other disasters

.... Toda and ... um ... get to retirement will be easier (for starters).

In general, this is a misunderstanding: This Soviet State owed it to the old people, workers, and others like them. And the current RF doesn’t even think so (judging by the activity).

[kitt409]

It’s not time to understand that if at least something depended on the voter, then he wouldn’t be allowed close to the ballot boxes, but according to a special list, nothing else ...

[Yves762]

Quote: kitt409

It’s not time to understand that if at least something depended on the voter, then he wouldn’t be allowed close to the ballot boxes, but according to a special list, nothing else ...

It depends on the methodology for implementing the choice ....

[kitt409]

While she is alone - the one who is needed falls)

[NordUral]

He simply voiced the dreams of "our" government.

[Piramidon]

The more “woodpeckers” from United Russia come up with such proposals, the worse the results of the next elections will be for them. They are already up to their necks in a cesspool with their pension reform. IMHO
Well, in general, our system of elections and vote counting allows us to push anyone into power. The results of the latest elections in the Far East are proof of this.

[Wizzzard]

Until the authorities - by any means - are forced to introduce a mechanism for REVOKING Duma and Federation Council members (for theft, for lying, for nepotism, and simply for clinical idiocy), we will continue to play the same checkers. And - not the last moment! - obvious and blatant violation by an official ANY the rank of their election promises. Also away - for an UNdeserved rest!

[yehat]

yeah, they’ll introduce a mechanism - like 99% of voters and at least 5 million must vote for its recall
It doesn’t matter that there are 10 times fewer people living on the site. It is important not only that there is a mechanism, but also that it is accessible. For example, strikes can be made on the Labor Code. Can you come up with a strike at your place without the risk of being fired right away? And then, without pay, they go to court for years to restore their rights.

What is needed is not “mechanisms,” but realistically accessible capabilities. Now our rights are like insurance without the occurrence of insured events. Fired, reduced salary, not given leave? You have rights, but then, and now someone else is right.

[Berkut24]

According to him, the old-age pension in Russia should be abolished, leaving the practice of paying social benefits exclusively for citizens with disabilities.

It seems that this disabled person, completely sick, is lobbying in his own favor. And in favor of other representatives of power, who also do not have a full-fledged brain.

[TRex]

Well, erysipelas ...

[Yves762]

And what did they jump?
Mus-e, as best he could, expressed himself in favor of the version that has been circulating in the minds for a long time - everyone slobbered in old age for himself, as it is sometimes present among the bourgeoisie. And in general, why do we need such a gap between the banking/financial system, like all sorts of SUCH pensions? Eating salaries and building palaces???
Yeah...also lobby for raising the retirement age...
But it wouldn’t be a bad idea to redistribute from employers what they don’t give to all sorts of pensioners... And again, “IN GENERAL”, this is still a very big and controversial issue - about the distribution of the results of labor.

Well, yes, the citizen blurted out without thinking, but to him instantly bogey screwed...
The logic is the same as in ....

[exalibor]

the point is that a pension fund is not needed... everything is really as you said... but pensions are needed, and the state should be responsible for them, like the Soviet Union used to be... there should just be an article in the budget for pensions... this The government should be involved and not different funds...

[zloijjet]

The country is in a fever - foam is rising...

[Sergei75]

ABOUT! The hero lay down directly on the embrasure with his chest. Great Pu and Dimon will not forget you! He caused fire on himself, now no one will remember about raising the retirement age..... M-O-L-O-D-E-C!

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Pereira

They are from the same pack.

That’s right, now they’ve taken on the musicians:

[tolmachiev51]

There is nothing new and terrible, you need to switch to the funded part of the pension and all the questions will disappear on their own because you contribute the money, but it seems like you have nothing to do with it. Socially vulnerable layers should be financed from the budget.

[tolmachiev51]

Quote: Piramidon

The more “woodpeckers” from United Russia come up with such proposals, the worse the results of the next elections will be for them. They are already up to their necks in a cesspool with their pension reform. IMHO
Well, in general, our system of elections and vote counting allows us to push anyone into power. The results of the latest elections in the Far East are proof of this.

Agree !!! If our candidate from United Russia had won, then no comments would have been “noticed.” They did everything to show the people that “you don’t decide anything.” We will live until December 19th, i.e. “time will tell”!!!

[Dimy4]

This “irresponsible citizen” (so to speak) in power achieved cheap popularity by showing the whole country his IQ level.

And how many of these irresponsible people are there in United Russia, that the whole party looks like a ASSEMBLY of useful "idiots" for the current liberal government in today's Russia?

That's the point: these "" are useful for the authorities, and not for the country.

[notingem]

Is this creature a deputy? It’s time to introduce a law on the recall of deputies or the chaos of idiots will continue

[exalibor]

Quote: KOCMOC

By the way, the government is doing the right thing in not increasing the size of pensions, but also increasing the retirement age, people need to be slowly forced, break the stereotypes of dependency thinking, try to push them beyond the hope of a state pension, they also made personal savings, something does not prevent them from retiring early .

So we’ll push you into a mine and work there until you’re 70 years old..., break the stereotype of abolishing pensions, save up for it and leave ahead of schedule... It’s not a matter of scratching your tongue, not swinging a pickaxe...

[Setrac]

Quote: exalibor

So we’ll push you into a mine and work there until you’re 70 years old..., you’ll break the stereotype of abolishing pensions

This phrase makes sense only if you are a miner, otherwise it’s just pretentious dregs.

[exalibor]

And as I understand it, you don’t agree with the meaning of the phrase? Is it pathos or not... what space offers is not pathos or dregs?

[Setrac]

Quote: exalibor

And as I understand it, you don’t agree with the meaning of the phrase? Is it pathos or not... what space offers is not pathos or dregs?

This is the path to the survival of our nation. I repeat what was written above, the pension and social system is the main and only reason for the decline in the birth rate. When Russians become less than 50%, the state of the Russian Federation will collapse - just like the Soviet Union once did.
I don’t know whether SPACE is aware or not, but what he says is the only way to survival.

[kitt409]

Very briefly - an example of what you propose has already existed and has been known for a long time - ancient Sparta, and where is it?)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Very briefly - an example of what you propose has already existed and has been known for a long time - ancient Sparta, and where is it?)))

The fictional state remained where it was - on the pages of textbooks - and cannot serve as an example. Existing countries serve as an example, and countries with developed social and pension systems lose this comparison.

[kitt409]

What are they losing at? AND TO WHOM?

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

What are they losing at? AND TO WHOM?

The dynamics of population growth (excluding migration from outside) in countries with a developed pension and social system is negative, in countries without them it is positive.

[kitt409]

It’s strange, it turns out that the main indicator now is the dynamics of population growth, but OUR GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT THIS???
So, in your opinion, it turns out that the population itself should be concerned exclusively with growth? That is, the authorities don’t need this and shouldn’t do it?

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

It’s strange, it turns out that the main indicator now is the dynamics of population growth, but OUR GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT THIS???

However, this is precisely what the government associates with raising the retirement age.

Quote: kitt409

So, in your opinion, it turns out that the population itself should be concerned exclusively with growth?

Exactly so, because (as one late satirist said) the means of production are in the hands of the population.

Quote: kitt409

That is, the authorities don’t need this and shouldn’t do it?

And the authorities are doing just that - raising the retirement age, not indexing pensions, allowing migrants into the country, and so on - the state has a large arsenal of persuasion methods.

[kitt409]

The connection between raising the age is nothing more than the official version of the authorities, in my opinion), the real reasons there are completely different, and what you listed rather resembles an arsenal of means of fighting its own population - and after the state “fights” its people like that Well, the people will increase the population????? It is unlikely...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

The connection between raising the age is nothing more than the official version

The connection is direct, the state wants the pension fund to operate at the expense of pension fees, without subsidies from the state.

Quote: kitt409

what you listed is more reminiscent of an arsenal of means to combat one’s own population

That’s right, you are categorically right, excuse the expression, our state has shitted on a population that does not want to reproduce.

Quote: kitt409

after the state “fights” its own people like this, will the people increase the population????? It is unlikely...

The time for “carrots” has passed, now they will convince with “sticks”.

[kitt409]

Continue to firmly believe in the official, so to speak, version)))
As for the state’s excrement) - it will do the same to the breeding population, at this stage, at least.
And as for the whip - well, let's look at the consequences of trying to use it....

[kitt409]

Are you busy, you say??)
“Another scandal is breaking out in the Urals involving government officials. The director of the youth policy department of the Sverdlovsk region, Olga Glatskikh, told young people that the state did not ask their parents to give birth. The statement is reported by the local TV channel Echo 24.
Today it has turned out that for some reason among young people, in the younger generation, there is an understanding that the state owes us everything. No, the state doesn’t owe you anything at all. Your parents owe you. Because they gave birth to you. The state did not ask you to give birth.
— Olga Glatskikh, Russian athlete Evening Vedomosti 11:50
https://news.yandex.ru/story/Sverdlovskaya_chinovnica_molodyozhi_Gosudarstvo_ne_prosilo_vas_rozhat--0aa666a930bf998e6443fc0275d98a78?lr=39&lang=ru&stid=zX7QmO3gxsf8Kq51bkPh&rubric=index&from=index"(с)
P.S. Dear moderators! I'm not entirely sure how to properly provide links to other resources and how possible this is.

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

https://news.yandex.ru/story/Sverdlovskaya_chinovnica_molodyozhi_Gosudarstvo_ne_prosilo_vas_rozhat--0aa666a930bf998e6443fc0275d98a78?lr=39&lang=ru&stid=zX7QmO3gxsf8Kq51bkPh&rubric=index&from=index"

I won’t even read it, the technique is well known - to take a phrase out of context and pedal it, to hang noodles on the ears of suckers.
And yes, the state is not a debtor and you are not a creditor, so that the state owes you something, gives you everything - the bed will break.

[kitt409]

Keep it that way, your opinion has not been very interesting to me for a long time)
And what the state has already given me, is giving and will give again, where will it go - only you need to know why? Personally, you do NOT inspire any trust in me)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Keep it that way

The mistake you make is that you equate civil servants with the state, but you are mistaken, officials are not the state and the words of this... are just a fart in a puddle, not worthy of attention, I feel sorry for wasting time on this.

[kitt409]

Well, whether it’s a mistake or not, the question is at least debatable, but the fact that such statements appear so often lately))) - aren’t there too many farts to not pay attention to them???)
By the way, no one is forcing you personally, what can you do if there are more and more people who essentially don’t care what happens to their country...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

what can you do if there are more and more people who essentially don’t care what happens to their country...

Those who care what happens to the country work for its good, and do not wrest undeserved privileges for themselves.
The official may have said everything in a rude manner - but she told the truth, for whom are you giving birth to children? For myself? Or for the state? So that you can then beg for benefits!
If you want your children to be supported by the state, send them to an orphanage - since the parents have no business here.

[kitt409]

This is true from your point of view, I DO NOT think so...

[kitt409]

Didn’t you read the next topic too??)))))

[kitt409]

The supplement is neither the main nor the only reason, these reasons are through the roof, or do you think that maternal capital solves all problems?) but that’s another topic...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

The addition is neither the main nor the only reason, these reasons are through the roof

Well, list the reasons - so as not to be unfounded.

[kitt409]

In the relevant topic - certainly, but that’s a different topic)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

In the relevant topic - certainly, but that’s a different topic)

Fertility is directly related to pensions, it turns out that

Quote: kitt409

The supplement is neither the main nor the only reason, these reasons are through the roof, or do you think that maternal capital solves all problems?) but that’s another topic...

just your fantasies.

[kitt409]

Somehow I can’t baptize children with you, so you are free to think what you want)) and your opinion doesn’t particularly interest me either, it’s already clear that on many issues we do NOT agree, so continue to assume that age raised solely for the benefit of the population, that if the social system ends, you will receive more money, that the police, medicine and education are definitely free for all of us - why would I convince anyone, even try to do it?? WHY DO I NEED THIS?
continue to remain with all YOUR delusions, and you have plenty of them)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

continue to believe that the age has been raised solely for the benefit of the population

Again your fantasies, attributing to me what I did not say, talking to yourself is a bad sign.

Quote: kitt409

You will receive more money

You’re fantasizing again, I said that I WANT to get a bigger salary. Agree, I WANT and I WILL - not the same thing.

Quote: kitt409

Medicine and education are definitely free for all of us

Not everyone is free. It is paid for out of the taxpayer's pocket, and is free for those who do not pay taxes.

[kitt409]

Have you written something about sophistry there before?) You have just a clear example of it - the fact that somewhere you even have an example of what it should be like in medicine does NOT mean that this is a mass phenomenon , that is, it’s the same for everyone, or at least for the majority)))
By the way, the vast majority of us pay taxes, what kind and in what form is a completely different question))) try paying less for something in a store, like I don’t want to pay taxes)) so leave the mantras about non-payment of taxes for ours " economists" from the government)

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

By the way, the vast majority of us pay taxes, what kind and in what form is a completely different question))) try paying less for something in a store, like I don’t want to pay tax

You pay taxes where you earn, not where you spend; in the store, store employees pay taxes.

Quote: kitt409

so leave the mantras about tax evasion for our government “economists”

Non-payment of taxes is from another area - when you have to pay taxes and have not paid. People who do not work do not pay taxes in principle.

[kitt409]

You will tell all this in the store) and then you will have to figure out taxation on your own, you are already tired of filling gaps in your knowledge and education, which prevents you from understanding at least how VAT is deciphered)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

You will tell all this in the store)

And I don’t tell anything in the store, I just pay the price tag, and the seller pays the tax, and I paid the tax at my place of work.

[kitt409]

The level of your “knowledge” is again amazing - WHAT’S stopping you from realizing that the seller has already included the paid tax in the price tag, and the buyer will also pay it?)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

WHAT IS HAVING YOU TO REALIZE that the seller has already included the paid tax in the price tag?

But the SELLER pays this tax, he has added value, not you

[kitt409]

From whose pocket does the seller take this out???))) And who pays the tax in the ULTIMATE???)))

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

Whose pocket is the seller taking this out of???

The seller does not take anything out of your pocket. Leave your convict jargon, you yourself give money as payment for goods, no one is forcing you, walk around the market, bargain.

[kitt409]

Repeat especially for you - who pays the tax in the end?
and your fantasies about jargons and so on are of little interest to anyone)))

[exalibor]

a wonderful path to survival... just abandon old people to their own devices... let them survive as they wish - it is precisely this that offers a path to nowhere... if we start abandoning our old people, then why is such a nation even needed...

[Appokalipsis]

A competent statement.... The Pension Fund... dissolve... Reduce contributions and transfer them to a non-withdrawable deposit.... By the age of 50, there will be a good pension of 50 rubles and officials will not reach it... And at 000 , decide for yourself .. spend the money or save further... People die prematurely, anything can happen... So at least the relatives will take advantage.. And not thieves from the State Duma like United Russia.. or schemers from the government...

[exalibor]

and let’s imagine that you started saving for retirement in the 90s... and how much, taking into account crises and inflation, can you save by 2030? Most likely you will be left without pants, not to mention any savings... for this to work, the national currency must be stable... otherwise it will turn out like after the collapse of the Union... how much money did people burn? did you return anything? so the same thing can happen again...

[kitt409]

The only thing left to decide is how to protect (preserve) such savings?
On deposits - a maximum of 1400k, and if the bank closes, what to do???
This is precisely the main problem, God knows when such ideas began to be put forward, long before the reform, but it all came down to this...

[notingem]

That is, this pig cannot be recalled according to the LAW. DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY? And what are we talking about?

[Sergei71]

Pivka added too much.... I sympathize, “ah-ah-ay” along the party line. It's probably not bad to work for Mister, a mirror maker, or whatever it's called. New order every 2 weeks?

[Yan Sergeev]

So Solovyov has already been told a couple of times that there are no pensions in China and this is the result - the economy is growing by leaps and bounds, because the state does not waste money)))))
I think another year or two and a couple of war games will do the trick.

[kitt409]

As for China - read up) not everything is simple there...

[Setrac]

Quote: kitt409

it's not all that simple...

Favorite phrase of liberals.

[kitt409]

Have you at least tried to FIND OUT something FIRST? However, this is difficult for you, I believe here)))) you are our sinologist))))

[swyatoslav]

What a spiritual face, completely untouched by intellect! Not a drop of doubt, not an ounce of emotion!
An excellent specimen of the new dominant species - "the people's choice".
It’s a miracle what kind of people rule us...
Eh, I should send them to the State Department to work - help Trumpushka!!!!
Give a labor landing of deputies to America!

[swyatoslav]

I took a closer look, and it’s true - “he’s actually GRUOT”!
Can someone tell me why he has an antenna sticking out of his head????
Are robots now accepted as “people’s representatives”?

[Brigadier]

It seems to me that this “plastic surgeon” performed a lobotomy on himself instead of gargling before his statement...
But somehow it’s unfortunate... It happens...
But such a “spiritualized” sea... hmm... face!
It's immediately obvious that he's very smart...

[zan_parti]

There is a grain of rationality in his words. We need to find real statistics on life expectancy, and if it turns out that 90% of people do not live to see retirement, then why should these people feed parasites from the Pension Fund of Russia?

Isn’t it better to save the same percentage for yourself, putting it in a three-liter jar and start using it at any time at 100%. Why entrust it to thieves who sleep and see how not to pay pensions and who, at best, are ready to give the pensioner no more than 50% of the amount collected from him?

[kitt409]

“...If it eats it, it will eat it all, but who will give it all this” (c) there are already so many open mouths in response to what has been handed over to the Pension Fund for decades that hoping that everything there will be handed over as if it had already been put together - by to me, utopia...

[exalibor]

the question arises of protecting these savings from inflation or default - you may end up with a can of worthless paper...

[yehat]

In principle, this deputy suggested a useful thing. The pension fund already gives us less than 1/10 of the funds that citizens contribute throughout their lives. It is much more profitable not to pay anything to the pension fund and save for retirement on your own, but the question is what to do with people who have contributed a large part of their salary for 20-40 years. Leaving them without a pension is a rare bestiality. As an option, I suggest they return all the deposited funds at once, but not nominally, but discounted for each year of contributions to the current moment, plus with an accrued percentage of profit as a financial benefit received by the state structure for owning the funds. Even if we take into account the government’s cheating with inflation and losses of about 7-9%, this is still much fairer than handouts from the Pension Fund.

and let the deputies decide among themselves who should pay what pension. But if this pension turns out to be higher than the national average, they should be hanged from the yards. Everyone.

[kitt409]

This may still be suitable for those who are about to start working, for those who have been “renting out” for decades, this is unrealistic, and even in this case, questions will still remain - how to guarantee the safety of such investments? For now the maximum is only 1 k, and no more, and after how many years will the amount become larger and then what?

[yehat]

the safety of investments can be ensured by adopting the same laws that Roosevelt introduced when he became president - he strictly limited speculators in their risks. This ended the depression of the 30s in the United States. We still have ALL banks, in pursuit of profit, shamelessly violating the norms of turnover of borrowed capital, remortgaging the same funds at the same time more than 10-11 times, which is a direct violation of the license. And this is impossible to insure. I'm not even talking about the securities market, where a scandal with Sberbank and Gazprom analysts recently showed how bad everything is.
The state does not perform basic regulatory functions. What Nabiullina and other ministries call regulation is simply disgusting.

[kitt409]

The fact of the matter, in my opinion, is that the state is not doing it and does not want to do it...

[yehat]

the state does not comply and does not want to

It is worth recalling that the state serves the interests of the ruling class, the criminal-financial oligarchy, and does it extremely efficiently, and let the rest go through the forest and work until their graves for meager wages.

[exalibor]

uh-huh... Rooselt mortgaged... of course... but the fact that now a bunch of people in the states have lost their savings in trust funds doesn’t mean anything? Why didn’t Roosevelt’s bookmarks from speculators work?

[yehat]

and find out why. in fact, some of the laws were repealed.

[Igor Dvornikov]

How does he treat people? Without brains?