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The "EP" reacted to the proposal of the deputy on the dissolution of the FIU and the abolition of pensions

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The State Duma commented on the statements of the deputy from the Yaroslavl Municipal Assembly. We are talking about the deputy Dmitry Petrovsky, an oncologist (in combination with a plastic surgeon) at a local clinic, representing the regional branch of the United Russia party. Petrovsky announced that he was against raising the retirement age, adding that he was also against pension as such.


The "EP" reacted to the proposal of the deputy on the dissolution of the FIU and the abolition of pensions


According to him, the old-age pension in Russia must be abolished, leaving the practice of paying social benefits exclusively for citizens with disabilities. His proposal Yaroslavl people's choice made on a personal page in Facebook.

The very note of Petrovsky is as follows (spelling, punctuation and style are preserved):
Eliminate the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation! Fully. Property to sell. Officials work.
Personally, I am for the abolition of the concept in general - the retirement age, and the structure of the Pension Fund, everyone should decide how much to work for him, and everyone should decide on what and how he will live after retirement. Pension fund and pension - should be only on disability. So I am against raising the retirement age, as well as against the very idea of ​​a pension.


In just a few minutes in the comments to this post, Dmitry Petrovsky found out everything that Yaroslavl think about him and not only. Perhaps the softest thing that the subscribers of the deputy’s page offered was the excommunication of Petrovsky from his job placement to the mine without any further right to receive a pension.

If the deputy had stopped his note on the phrase “Officials to work”, the comments would have been opposite in meaning, but the regional parliamentarian could not resist. Now his initiative has reached the media and the highest political council of United Russia. The party said that the opinion of a single deputy does not reflect the views of the entire "ER". Andrei Isaev, deputy head of the United Russia parliamentary faction, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 3 November 2018 07: 17
    +54
    In just a few minutes, in the comments on this post, Dmitry Petrovsky learned everything that the Yaroslavl people think about him and not only
    but the same thing that ordinary people think about the whole government ...
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 3 November 2018 07: 19
      +23
      A person is not adequate and without a brain in his head is a synonym for the definition of Dmitry Petrovsky! So let him cancel such a beautiful head and a pension will not be needed.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 3 November 2018 07: 38
        +69
        The deputy head of the Duma faction of United Russia Andrey Isaev noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

        And how many of these irresponsible people are there in United Russia, that the whole party looks like a ASSEMBLY of useful "idiots" for the current liberal government in today's Russia?
        1. Andrey Vinogradov
          Andrey Vinogradov 3 November 2018 08: 59
          +9
          Yes, this is the brother of Red Tarzan or his friend !!
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 3 November 2018 11: 39
            +4
            They are from the same pack.
        2. KOCMOC
          KOCMOC 3 November 2018 11: 53
          -34
          Quote: Tatiana
          And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

          Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 3 November 2018 12: 59
            +19
            Quote: KOCMOC
            And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of their old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them. Pensions must be abolished unambiguously, everyone should plan for himself, and besides, children should keep their parents under the old age.

            Petrovsky, you have already checked in here. Why did he hide under the nickname "space"? Or are you his assistant?fool negative Around you all the people just thumps? Just those who by age can not work and who have no children point blank you can not see? Do you dwell in the bomber?
            PS Russian language to start learning, shoals with grammar through the word.
            1. KOCMOC
              KOCMOC 3 November 2018 13: 23
              -22
              Quote: Piramidon
              Petrovsky, you have already checked in here. Why did he hide under the nickname "space"?

              It doesn’t matter, in essence there is something to say, but, state parasites and dependents? Weakly take our fate into our own hands? Or maybe you are disabled? Well, there you don’t have a brain type or something else? Well then, you have nothing to worry about, all normal, capable and socially responsible citizens of the state will raise taxes and we will support you. Of course, many people dislike my opinion, even if I even know who, well, bet, put cons, you are not capable of more. The state should only deal with defense and law and order, that's all! otherwise you have complete freedom of action within the law. To demand something more from the state is the same as to demand from neighbors, this is extortion, a crime.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 3 November 2018 13: 31
                +19
                Quote: KOCMOC
                Weakly take our fate into our own hands?

                If you are such a smart reformer, then explain to me what a person who has worked all his life in such a job, where he was paid so much that he did not die of hunger, wouldn’t have children, wouldn’t save millions, like you, didn’t save reason (there is nothing to feed, nothing to put aside in a small egg), and now he simply lost the opportunity to work in his specialty by age. Is he going to loop right away, or you, a liberodemocrat, will you take him to your mansion for maintenance? fool
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 November 2018 00: 38
                  -12
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  he did not have children

                  If you don’t have children, let him die under the fence.
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  or you, liberodemocrat, him to your mansion for maintenance

                  If he didn’t raise children, this is the "libero-democrat" who has lived all his life for himself.
                  Only those who raised children deserve a pension and no matter what he has been doing all his life.
                  Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.
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                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 4 November 2018 11: 06
                      -5
                      Quote: Hammerlock
                      The reasons for the absence of children can be completely different, completely independent of the type "we want to live for ourselves"

                      It doesn’t matter at all - what are the reasons. No children - no pensions. You should not look for excuses for egoists, because all the reasons come down to one thing - children interfere with life.
                      1. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 12: 54
                        0
                        Understandably, everything is divided into strict and strictly white only))) - well, I can only wish one thing - to be further strictly the same consistent and principled ....
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 18: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        well, I can only wish one thing - to continue to be strictly the same consistent and principled ....

                        You are simply not aware of the consequences of your unscrupulousness. The developed social and pension system is the main reason for the decline in the birth rate. The Russian nation is dying out due to the fault of such "unprincipled" as you.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Understandably, everything in you is divided only into black strictly and strictly white))

                        Even color blind people can separate black from white (do not take it personally).
                      3. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 19: 42
                        +1
                        Unprincipled, say? (
                        Is there anything you didn’t mention about any exceptions in your messages? I had a co-worker, got married, but I didn’t have children, then someone from the medicus blabbed drunk that his wife could not give birth to him at all, I did not delve into the details, but even such cases you DO NOT consider an excuse, right? If not, so what's stopping you from writing about this from the start?
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 19: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: kitt409
                        then someone from the medicus blabbed drunk that his wife could not give birth to him from the word at all, I did not go into details

                        So you don’t know the reason why she could not have children? As I wrote earlier - hereditary infertility is a nonsense, infertile children have no children and they cannot pass on their infertility to children because of their absence. In most cases, infertility is the result of violent youth.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        but even such cases you DO NOT consider an excuse, right?

                        I do not consider an excuse, it does not justify them. In extreme cases, children can be adopted or adopted.
                      5. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 13
                        +1
                        Are you waiting for the laying out of ALL the ins and outs?)
                        It’s nothing that the lady’s youth didn’t have anything to do with it - her mother forced her to do something at the wrong time in her childhood, and who is to blame? She was still 14 ....
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 25
                        -3
                        Quote: kitt409
                        It’s nothing that the lady’s youth didn’t have anything to do with it - her mother forced her to do something at the wrong time in her childhood, and who is to blame? She was still 14 ....

                        This is their family fault. But this argument is meaningless, the pension and social system in our country is impersonal - it corrupts people.
                        And yet, why didn’t they adopt anyone?
                      7. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 50
                        +1
                        As for the need for a personal system, I will not argue, but I will lay the blame on a person who, at that time, neither sleep nor spirit knew about such "prospects" (- this is wrong, in my opinion, but you cannot describe all the nuances here , this is about adoption ...
                      8. polar fox
                        polar fox 4 November 2018 20: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        It doesn’t matter at all - what are the reasons. No children - no pensions. You should not look for excuses for egoists, because all the reasons come down to one thing - children interfere with life.

                        I could not resist...
                        not so long ago I spoke with the head doctor of a humpback ... in short, 30 percent of girls dt 12 to 16 will not be mothers. glory to our Putin and starling with zurabovs, the gardasil rules ... nothing to do with the power? you will live longer, you will see more.
                      9. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 56
                        -3
                        Quote: polar fox
                        percent of 30 girls dt 12 to 16 will not be mothers. the glory of our Putin and starling with zurabov-gardasil steers ... nothing to do with power?

                        We mentioned below - like we don’t have Sparta, just like that, we don’t have Sparta, genetically flawed ones survive and give birth to their kind - glory to the social system. It will only get worse, because in our world a white, physically healthy man with a normal sexual orientation is the most disenfranchised creature.
                        But there is a "BUT", these "girls" will not be able to give birth - which means they will not be able to pass on their inferiority to descendants
                      10. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 22: 25
                        +1
                        Do not confuse the country, well, by chance? Take an interest in what you have done with the same white man in other countries, so that it’s not very bad here yet)
                        And the word is, do you know how to read?) There are letters, but you don’t notice them, why ???
                        And the girls in quotes for which reason are written?
                      11. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 23: 04
                        -2
                        Quote: kitt409

                        Do not confuse the country, well, by chance? Take an interest in what you have done with the same white man in other countries, so that it’s not very bad here yet)

                        Well, the fact that in other countries with this shit does not mean that everything is fine with us, our country is the country of the victorious matriarchy.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And the word is, do you know how to read?) There are letters, but you don’t notice them, why ???

                        When you point your finger at the sky - how to understand your message?
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And the girls in quotes for which reason are written?

                        It is impossible to attribute to the female gender a nulliparous person.
                      12. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 07: 02
                        -1
                        As for poking into the sky - re-read that post again and try to find there some letters that you have not yet noticed - that you do not know about this does not mean that this does not exist)
                      13. gor999
                        gor999 6 November 2018 04: 59
                        0
                        You sir, you need to contact a specialist urgently, because your comments for a mile away are full of pathology
                      14. Setrac
                        Setrac 6 November 2018 10: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: gor999
                        You sir, you need to contact a specialist urgently, because your comments for a mile away are full of pathology

                        Only after you. Visit the ear-throat, let your nose check what "stinks" you.
                  2. Mcar
                    Mcar 4 November 2018 18: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.

                    And infertility?
                    In the Russian Federation, according to the most stringent, i.e., probably underestimated, infertile
                    - 6 million women
                    - 4 million men
                    and the problem is growing.

                    What about premature death?
                    I don’t have any data, but it also happens that parents outlive their children. And who then will feed them in old age?

                    Categoricality is a sign of limitation.
                    Confucius

                    What more is hiding behind categoricality: limitations? lack of culture? self-doubt? People with sufficient intelligence and culture know that today (now) it seems obvious, undeniable (and accordingly, it is hard to temperamentally tempt to speak), after a while (when a minute, when an hour, when several years) it becomes not very obvious, and even obvious exactly the opposite ... And, remembering his ardor and categoricalness, educated people become when it is funny, when sad, when ashamed ...
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 4 November 2018 18: 49
                      -4
                      Quote: McAr
                      And infertility?
                      In the Russian Federation, according to the most stringent, i.e., probably underestimated, infertile
                      - 6 million women
                      - 4 million men
                      and the problem is growing.

                      Those who inherited infertility are only a few, for the majority, infertility is a consequence of a stormy youth - they are their own "Buratins", no one is to blame for their mental degradation, I do not feel sorry for such people.
                      Quote: McAr
                      What about premature death?
                      I don’t have any data, but it also happens that parents outlive their children. And who then will feed them in old age?

                      Yeah, such a "child" got drunk, got into an accident, why should the state owe him something?
                      Quote: McAr
                      What more is hiding behind categoricality: limitations? lack of culture? self-doubt?

                      Here lies the desire to get more salary. The state takes money from workers and gives it to the disabled and childless pensioners. I would be happy to receive a salary one and a half to two times more and our economy would not be limping on both legs - without weights in the form of a pension and social system.
                      1. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 19: 50
                        +2
                        How do you still categorical then love, that's ONLY and no other way)
                        You didn’t try to ask the experts what and how, a classmate of mine had been dealing with similar issues for a long time, a couple of times, over a cup ... he said something, it’s darker there than you write here ...
                        By the way, well, the social system cannot be a kettlebell, and if you think that you would get more - I can only say one thing - about sankta simplicitas !!! In vain you are counting on this ...
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 03
                        -2
                        Quote: kitt409
                        my classmate, oh, I’ve been working on such issues for a long time, a couple of times, over a cup ... I’ve said something, it’s darker there than you write here ...

                        These are all common phrases, if you give an example, let's give specifics.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        By the way, well, the social system cannot be a kettlebell, and if you think that you would get more - I can only say one thing - about sankta simplicitas !!! In vain you are counting on this ...

                        I don’t count on anything. If the pension and social systems are canceled, our economy will grow one and a half times, dwell, nothing personal, I am not against pensions and social programs.
                      3. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 52
                        +1
                        These are your dreams, or rather the illusion that it will grow so much, in fact, someone simply puts in his pocket even more (((and I have big doubts that it will be you or me ....
                        Soprut more, yes, but no more.
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 21: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Soprut more, yes, but no more.

                        The world is not perfect.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        These are your dreams, or rather illusions

                        These are the prerequisites for strengthening the economy - nothing more.
                      5. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 21: 21
                        0
                        Well, from prerequisites to amplification - oh, how not close, in my opinion.
                        And according to the previous comment - it’s not always possible to write about everything, this is NOT my life first of all, and the Internet is now in almost every village) so I do not consider it possible to concretize NOT my secrets ...
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 21: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And according to the previous comment - it’s not always possible to write about everything, it’s NOT my life

                        It is for this that I wrote in the beginning that the majority are to blame for their own infertility, MOST, but not all.
                        And yet - no one himself admits his own guilt, they will blame anyone, but not themselves.
                      7. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 21: 42
                        0
                        When doctors ask questions, it’s more difficult to lie to them in some things)
                      8. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 21: 24
                        0
                        You previously wrote about "units", alas, those who are in medicine - no less than 10 percent, alas, more precisely did not remember, I am not a statistician ...
                      9. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 21: 29
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        You previously wrote about "units", alas, those who are in medicine - no less than 10 percent, alas, more precisely did not remember, I am not a statistician ...

                        All "on medicine". A minority - those who inherited infertility, the majority - acquired it during their lifetime for various reasons.
                      10. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 21: 43
                        -1
                        Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))
                      11. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 23: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))

                        Sophistry, a completely meaningless pun.
                      12. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 06: 58
                        -1
                        More precisely, a completely pointless attempt on your part how to correct what you wrote earlier is somewhat thoughtlessly, but you simply don’t want to admit it)
                      13. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 16: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Well, between "units" and "minority" well, there is absolutely no difference, right?)))))

                        You sucked your ten percent from the finger, you do not know this, so you can call the "units" a "minority", from the change of the name they will not become the majority, no matter how you puffed up
                      14. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 18: 17
                        0
                        First, look at your suction, knowledge at the level of "cottage cheese is extracted from dumplings", and look at how it breaks))))
                        already wrote - if you want to live according to the principle of "plus-minus tram stop" - so live yourself, not everyone needs it .... it is required)))
                      15. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 22: 52
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        First, look at your suction, knowledge at the level of "cottage cheese is extracted from dumplings",

                        Do you realize how funny you look when you say these words to a person with an agricultural education?
                        Quote: kitt409
                        and look to teach how torn))))

                        I do not teach anyone, I do not like it - don’t answer, why are you raising demagogy here?
                        Quote: kitt409
                        already wrote - if you want to live according to the principle of "plus-minus tram stop" - so live yourself, not everyone needs it .... it is required)))

                        What’s this all about? If only letters to press?
                      16. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 23: 11
                        0
                        Well, you are not ashamed to write so persistently about the "services" of the state to a person with a specialized education)))) but the expression that I have given quite allows anyone to evaluate the level of comments - your comments)
                        And about "do not answer" - there are too many of those who want that the state provided services, and not for free, and citizens paid for all this), and the more, the better - alas, just to promote your aspirations with you and your associates will not work ...
                      17. Setrac
                        Setrac 6 November 2018 11: 01
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        too many appear those who want the state to provide services, and not for free, and all this was paid by citizens

                        Listen, a person "with specialized education" have you tried to work? All that to different parasites the state owes, all that owes you, but what about what you owe the state?
                        Quote: kitt409
                        alas, just like that, it will no longer be possible to propagate your aspirations with you and your associates ...

                        My "comrades-in-arms" work on the railroad like robots terminators, while here you are typing answers to me threateningly knocking on the keyboard - I managed to go to a neighboring area to eliminate the consequences of an accident at a railway crossing, and what did you do for the country before presenting your rights, how about fulfilling duties?
                        He served in the army? Do you pay taxes regularly? Raised three children? Not? So you do not have any rights - did not deserve!
                      18. kitt409
                        kitt409 6 November 2018 12: 13
                        0
                        You’ll poke your goat, we didn’t herd it with you, so bring it up so strictly yourself)))
                        And who are you to report to you here?)
                        And if you need to go somewhere, then these are YOUR PROBLEMS, who studied what)))
                        Whoever wrote about work here, for me ... well, let’s call it like that - experience, as long as many did not even dream about here, so stay at home at home)))
                        And everything that you asked here, oh, how it was NOT YESTERDAY happened - and about the army, and about taxes, and about children, and your comrade-in-arms is Cosmos, and even a few here, and do not count on the minuses that you are that Cosmos yours - you’re not worth it, the terminators were also found here))))
                      19. region58
                        region58 5 November 2018 04: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Yeah, such a "kid" got drunk, had an accident

                        Natural disasters, diseases, man-made disasters - to cancel? In addition, it happens that one "drunk" crowd of innocent people with him to the next world takes. How to be? Life is more complicated than our wildest fantasies ...
                      20. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 11: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: region58
                        Natural disasters, diseases, technological disasters - cancel?

                        Well, that’s why I wrote - an impersonal social network is evil, we need to understand who got a disability.
                        Alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex - why should the state pay for it? Again, the arrows will be translated, for example, into the military? Are you by any chance her railwayman?
                      21. region58
                        region58 5 November 2018 16: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        depersonalized social - evil, it is necessary to understand who got a disability

                        I understand the essence of your thoughts, but state institutions work a little differently. And, for example, by reducing social benefits, we will immediately get an increase in social tension (I apologize for the tautology) - crime and other delights ... Accordingly, the costs of the police, prisons, shelters increase ... In the same "decaying west" they understood that it is easier and cheaper to pay an allowance that a person can live on without problems.
                        PS I have nothing to do with Russian Railways.
                      22. astronom1973n
                        astronom1973n 5 November 2018 05: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        and our economy wouldn’t limp on both legs - without weights in the form of a pension and social system.

                        Our economy with existing "economists" and without pension and social, and without other other systems will be limp.
                  3. astronom1973n
                    astronom1973n 5 November 2018 05: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: Setrac
                    If he didn’t raise children, this is the "libero-democrat" who has lived all his life for himself.
                    Only those who raised children deserve a pension and no matter what he has been doing all his life.
                    Nothing justifies the lack of offspring.

                    You don’t carry something, man. Many absolutely normal couples nowadays cannot have children for medical reasons. No matter how hard they try, IVF does not help. And what? Everyone into the furnace? This is called fascism. Follow the speech.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 5 November 2018 11: 11
                      -1
                      Quote: astronom1973n
                      You’re not carrying something, man. Many absolutely normal couples nowadays cannot, for medical reasons, have children.

                      And why? Alcohol? Drugs? Erratic sex? Let them adopt from the orphanage.
                      1. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 11: 45
                        0
                        For the most advanced - they applied for some time ago, they were refused adoption, at first everything was perfect - until they got to geolocation) - I won’t name the true place, but the refusal of adoption to those who live on Novaya Zemlya, for example, is he justified or not?)
                        AND ENOUGH TO CONFIRM HOW TO TAKE ABOUT ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND JUSTY SECUS, IT IS TIME ALREADY FOR YOU TO RETURN TO OUR SINNY LAND, FROM THIS MYSTERIOUS WORLD, WHICH YOU NEAR (EVER
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 16: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        they were refused adoption

                        So their family problems are more serious than infertility
                        Quote: kitt409
                        AND ENOUGH TO CONFIRM HOW TO TRY ABOUT ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND MISCELTED SEX

                        Because such people come across completely and there is always nothing to protect them. Because I see with my own eyes how young people ruin their health and have never come across hereditary infertility, maybe they are somewhere or maybe not.
                      3. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 18: 22
                        0
                        Once again, figuratively speaking, "for those in the tank" - no one will allow adoption to Novaya Zemlya)) - is it so difficult for you to perceive?) Does it happen))
                        And I already hinted), but I can do it in plain text, so to speak - after such gems that you have already issued here - you have less and less confidence in such "observations" ...
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 22: 54
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Once again, figuratively speaking, "for those in the tank" - no one will allow adoption to Novaya Zemlya)) - is it so difficult for you to perceive?) Does it happen))

                        For those who are in the tank - go live on Novaya Zemlya - maybe the reason for such a ban will reach you!
                        In fact, you are not voicing the real reason for the refusal - your right.
                      5. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 23: 04
                        0
                        Everything that was needed for your understanding was written to you ALREADY) and the specific place was the AHWT, so you have to get by with figurative thinking))
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 6 November 2018 11: 06
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        All that was needed for your understanding, you ALREADY wrote)

                        It turns out you yourself to the north a foot, someone else has to work for you?
                        Quote: kitt409
                        have to do with imaginative thinking

                        And I do not need imaginative thinking, I lived in the north for ten years. That's how it turns out, someone is working for the good of the state, he is mastering the north, and someone in Moscow is knocking out preferences for himself, what category do you belong to?
                      7. kitt409
                        kitt409 6 November 2018 12: 16
                        0
                        With your ten whole year olds in the north, you're still a salab) I will have more)
                        Yes, and for those who are especially knowledgeable, he has already deciphered what does HHT mean? who are you to write about secrets and secrets to you all-all?
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              3. kitt409
                kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 02
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                Well, it’s necessary, and here finally came the one who opened his eyes to everyone, and well, he will solve all the problems)))
                and before writing this, religion does not allow you to think first? what so many years collected, who will return? AND ABOUT INFLATION EVEN DO NOT REMEMBER)
                And the "messiah" is modest for us - already knows that he is both normal and dee capable))))) - well, what about the fact that they are "... responsible ..." (c) - there is nobody and has no doubts, they are trying not to take others into power)))
                That is why, what is written in the Constitution - about that social state, and they don’t remember, nudes bully
              4. exalibor
                exalibor 4 November 2018 10: 30
                +3
                an interesting approach ... a person should pay taxes to the state, should it just spend them and that’s all? and then a person who put his health at work doesn’t need anyone ... well, yes ... everything is fine ... let them think that they should postpone their retirement ... and you yourself living in the 90s or at the beginning of the two thousandth savings on retire? in rubles, euros, in bucks? and what will happen to them in 10 years ... can you predict? and here you propose that a simple person would make an economic forecast for 40 years ahead ... and if he made a mistake in the form of savings, then let him die of hunger? And what about the state, as usual? if so smart, give up your pension and save yourself for old age ... let's see what happens in the end ..
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 November 2018 11: 14
                  -4
                  Quote: exalibor
                  a person should pay taxes to the state, should it just spend them and that’s all?

                  The state provides citizens with services: medicine, education, police, army. The retirement fee is spent on current retirees, from you to your parents and from your children to you. The disadvantage is that everything is depersonalized - why on earth should my children keep someone else's pensioners?
                  1. kitt409
                    kitt409 4 November 2018 12: 56
                    0
                    Take the trouble to study first the materiel - what you call the provision of services, REALLY NOT SO, that’s completely different)
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 4 November 2018 18: 52
                      -3
                      Quote: kitt409
                      Take the trouble to study first the materiel - what you call the provision of services, REALLY NOT SO, that’s completely different)

                      What is not provided to you? At school you studied for free, you get medical services for free, you turn to the police for free, the army protects you for free, what services are not available to you?
                      Learn the materiel ...
                      1. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 01
                        +1
                        What was mentioned, I did and received in ANOTHER state, then it was, now what you have listed exists in the FREE version exclusively on paper and NOT more.
                        And at first you will have to study the materiel, for those who are especially knowledgeable - what you consider to be services is actually called in a completely different way, you don’t need to deal with concepts
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: kitt409
                        What was mentioned, I did and received in ANOTHER state, then it was, now what you have listed exists in the FREE version exclusively on paper and NOT more.

                        You lie, my son went to the second grade - education is free. He was in the hospital two years ago - he didn’t pay a dime.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        You consider services, in fact it’s called in a completely different way, you do not need to deal with the substitution of concepts

                        From the change of places the terms do not change.
                      3. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 26
                        +1
                        It’s just you who are lying, and I’ll CAPTURE - who pays contributions to a variety of funds in schools? Pushkin? (((
                        And about medicine - make an appointment with the doctor, you are tormented to wait for this appointment, or an ambulance, or a pawn to the health office, to see the doctor on duty, do not sit there, wait until the doctor just arrives, it’s possible 30 minutes, maybe an hour - maximum was TWO AND A half HOURS and this is at temperature, and if NOT temperature ??? am
                        As for the hospital - try FIRST to go to the hospital, there is a quota, please, but much more often it doesn’t exist - well, except for very difficult cases when it comes to the option of living, not living))
                        And if you do not consider it necessary to study the conceptual apparatus - this is definitely NOT my problem)))
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: kitt409
                        It’s just you who are lying, and I’ll CAPTURE - who pays contributions to a variety of funds in schools? Pushkin? (((

                        List these "contributions". Of all the "levies" - for textbooks and notebooks, water in the study, the most expensive "levy" - for air conditioning - but the teacher did not even stutter about it.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        As for the hospital - try first to get to the hospital, there is a quota

                        It's just the opposite - try to take a break from the hospital - when they need to fulfill the quota.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And about medicine - make an appointment with the doctor, torment yourself to wait for this entry

                        Take a ticket at the reception - and at the indicated time for reception.
                      5. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 47
                        +2
                        It feels like YOU live on another planet, coupon, speak? Once, on Wednesday and making an appointment two weeks in advance, you can hardly get an appointment by noon, there are no vacancies) Moreover, an appointment with the so-called narrow specialists - well, apart from the therapist, after the therapist’s appointment, his direction and if there is a quota, I can only be saved by the fact that at one time one doctor who refused to take the child on Saturday, such as not her site, was dismissed on Monday with a stigma on the forehead, so solely for this reason - the use of administrative resources, I called someone, they sometimes respond to some of my requests a little easier than in normal mode ...
                        And about contributions, everything is simple - to the development fund ... and that’s all, a little water, yes, but they don’t hand over textbooks, sometimes it happens on notebooks, but this is when a teacher with a narrow focus justifies that such notebooks are needed .. .
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        I can only be saved by the fact that at one time one doctor who refused to accept a child on Saturday, such as not her site, was dismissed on Monday with a bang

                        The human factor has not been canceled, this happens.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        It feels like YOU live on another planet, coupon, speak?

                        I do not mind, in medicine it is necessary to restore order - the system is not perfect, but it is - this system.
                      7. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 21: 36
                        0
                        There is, but it’s free there mainly in legal acts, no more ...
                        And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....
                      8. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 16: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        There is, but it’s free there mainly in legal acts, no more ...
                        And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....

                        Turbid stream of consciousness, bother to adequately express your thoughts.
                      9. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 18: 25
                        0
                        Well, the fact that what is written here is not accessible to your understanding is definitely NOT my problem, I can sympathize with you, but there is nothing to help, try to read it again, then again - and so on until you understand the meaning of what was written ...
                      10. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 22: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: kitt409
                        written here is not available for your understanding

                        Well, for sure - Russian is not native to you.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And you wrote about the police there before - on the screens there they show something and then, as you like, they are satisfied - forward, then yes, there will be at least some movement, they are not happy - there are no movements, so often they turn only when then paper is needed from them, and so, almost to no avail, IMHO ....

                        Let me draw your attention to the fact that this is a complete sentence, quoted entirely. Learn Russian language.
                      11. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 23: 14
                        0
                        Start with yourself)) if someone is NOT able to understand the meaning, then these are NOT my problems, but more precisely write, why ?? - I won’t be surprised if someone) also writes a statement to the authorities, but in this case, it won’t work))
                      12. Setrac
                        Setrac 6 November 2018 11: 08
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        I won’t be surprised if someone) also writes a statement to the authorities, but in this case, it won’t work))

                        Have you recently rushed off? Where does this negative to organs come from?
                        Everything is clear with you, I dare not bother you anymore.
                      13. kitt409
                        kitt409 6 November 2018 12: 17
                        0
                        As you would expect, you didn’t understand anything, well, it’s somehow even good ...
                      14. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 22: 30
                        -1
                        The state of the terms to measure, it is strong))))
                      15. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 23: 08
                        -3
                        Quote: kitt409
                        The state of the terms to measure, it is strong))))

                        I’ll clarify - since this is fundamental for you. Educational SERVICES, medical SERVICES, security are also SERVICES.
                      16. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 07: 08
                        -1
                        Well then, I’ll clarify - all of the above is NOT a service)) you don’t own the conceptual apparatus, but you don’t want to admit it, you don’t want it or you don’t care), for example, for such an answer in an exam or a test , You WOULD NOT get a positive assessment)
                      17. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 11: 14
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        all of the above are NOT services

                        Yeah, medical SERVICES - they are not SERVICES.
                        Do you realize what you are writing?
                        Quote
                        Quote: Setrac
                        medical services

                        Quote: kitt409
                        NOT services

                        Services are not services - this is a new word in Russian.
                      18. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 11: 39
                        -1
                        How much can you explain to "specialists" that what exactly you like to use this particular expression does NOT mean at all that it actually is))) is not a service ...
                        Namely, our government figures have been dreaming for many years to transfer everything to commercial rails, continue to help them in every possible way and further, anyway it will at least somehow sideways affect either you personally or your relatives (((
                        In general, the ease of your handling of the wording strongly resembles the old term "plus-minus tram stop" (c)))
                      19. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 16: 43
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        How long can you explain to "specialists" that what you like best

                        This is not "I like", it is. MILITARY SERVANTS, "civil servants" and so on, these people do not have a job, but a service, and we all use their services.
                        Quote: kitt409
                        In general, the ease of your handling of the wording strongly resembles the old term "plus-minus tram stop" (c)))

                        And you try to learn Russian better.
                      20. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 18: 28
                        0
                        And how does the service of someone influence the fact that this is what you consider to be services, in fact, NOT being such?)
                        And who would have written about the need to study the Russian language ???))))
                      21. Setrac
                        Setrac 5 November 2018 23: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: kitt409
                        And how does the service of someone influence the fact that this is what you consider to be services, in fact, NOT being such?)

                        I consider a service a service because it is called a service. You do not agree that a service is a service?
                        You need to study identities, equalities and other similar concepts.
                      22. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 23: 18
                        0
                        I. and not just me, By the way, you have already written to the next topic)))
                      23. kitt409
                        kitt409 5 November 2018 11: 47
                        -1
                        Nothing that you are trying to compare two quotes from two DIFFERENT AUTHORS ??))
              5. Setrac
                Setrac 4 November 2018 11: 18
                -5
                Quote: KOCMOC
                state parasites and dependents? Weakly take our fate into our own hands?

                18 minuses - how many freeloaders and dependents are on the site.
                1. kitt409
                  kitt409 4 November 2018 12: 58
                  -1
                  there are much more of them, but to promote you to generals is like something later)
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 4 November 2018 18: 53
                    -2
                    Quote: kitt409
                    there are much more of them, but to promote you to generals

                    You pay too much attention to bullshit titles, if I were afraid of the minuses - and chased the pluses - I would write quite another.
                    1. kitt409
                      kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 03
                      -1
                      Have you heard anything about humor? No campaign - it happens)))
                      I have enough of my real regalia, but the rest is vanity))
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 20: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: kitt409
                        Have you heard anything about humor? No campaign - it happens)))

                        My sense of humor is somewhere there - on yesterday's booze left.
                      2. kitt409
                        kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 28
                        -1
                        This is definitely NOT my problem))
          2. milton
            milton 3 November 2018 15: 07
            +3
            Quote: KOCMOC
            Quote: Tatiana
            And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

            Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.

            You, dear yourself, believe that the state will give you just a penny just like that? If so, you are a big optimist fool
            1. KOCMOC
              KOCMOC 3 November 2018 16: 10
              -8
              Quote: milton
              You, dear yourself, believe that the state will give you just a penny just like that? If so, you are a big optimist

              For starters, you don’t understand what the state is, today the state itself does not earn money, it is you who keep the state structure on your money in the form of taxes. Which the state apparatus distributes, maintains an army, ensures the rule of law, issues laws under which you live, infrastructure projects. Another question is the efficiency of this unit. So there is nothing more to expect or ask from the state, except perhaps even more order, security, better laws, good roads. Everything else is yourselves, this is freedom. That USSR earned money by forcibly exploiting its citizens, depriving so to speak of some freedom. But at the same time he taught you, healed, gave you work, paid you a fixed salary, but less than the real value, controlled the prices. Everything was from the point of view of economic benefits, justified, hence the norms standards, equality, the same things, a small selection, simple small cars. But stupid people did not appreciate such a state, didn’t save it, called it totalitarian, demanded freedom, consumer goods, now cheer misters, don’t be overwhelmed.
              1. kitt409
                kitt409 4 November 2018 08: 29
                0
                What we will chew, we ourselves, without the advice of "well-wishers" will decide), but before you write such dregs about the state, at least a couple of textbooks would not hurt to look through, at least diagonally))) especially about the state - with your point of view, inspires))))))
                And do not choke, do not worry, many now have a goal - to survive to retirement, in spite of such power)
              2. exalibor
                exalibor 4 November 2018 10: 32
                +1
                just don’t just poke those present here that they destroyed the Union and wanted the so-called freedom ... we didn’t take part in it ... and, moreover, nothing depended on us ... everything depended on those who were sitting upstairs ...
          3. goose
            goose 3 November 2018 17: 53
            +5
            Quote: KOCMOC
            again, you don’t have to pay your hard earned money to the pension fund

            Will social payroll tax disappear? If I deducted 22% over my retirement salary, it would be nice. Now they simply disappear or go on preferential pensions, which in theory should be provided by the state, but it ensures its promises at the expense of other people.
            1. KOCMOC
              KOCMOC 3 November 2018 18: 47
              -8
              Quote: goose
              Social payroll tax the same disappear

              Of course, no social and other payments, only tax.
              R.s. It is clear that, no matter how, someone talks about the state’s refusal of pension obligations, they will never be canceled, there will always be a certain percentage of unsettled and socially irresponsible people in society, for the sake of humanity, they must be kept at the expense of other more successful members of the society . By the way, the government does the right thing, which does not increase the size of pensions, and also increases the retirement age, people should be forced to quietly break the stereotypes of dependent thinking, try to push them in addition to hoping for a state pension, they also made personal savings, something doesn’t stop retiring prematurely . Accustom to independence and responsibility, would learn to understand that the state is not some abstract, extraneous structure, they are the state, founders, beneficiaries, and therefore, to give to the state or to demand from it is tantamount to giving and demanding from yourself, must learn to treat their state as their home or enterprise, only the success and prosperity of each person will make the state successful, helping yourself help the state, but not the other way around, it means thieves and corrupt officials, etc. ..
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                1. kitt409
                  kitt409 4 November 2018 08: 30
                  0
                  In vain, so comrade at an accelerated pace to grow up to Marshal)))
              2. kitt409
                kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 10
                +1
                At least for the minuses, at least for the pros do not even hope - what else, to increase the rating for such opuses am , and the meaning in your "creativity" did not even spend the night) I do not even remember about grammar - it is necessary to disfigure the language so that it would not even be possible to understand at times what is written)))
          4. Aktium
            Aktium 4 November 2018 02: 01
            +1
            And you work in the office, and you don’t lift anything heavier than a glass. And what about those who are in the north, on the highway, in the mine, in the field and even in school
          5. gridasov
            gridasov 4 November 2018 10: 42
            +1
            In such statements, a complete inability of a person is manifested, so to speak, to see the role of an official in deciding the fate of the most diverse destinies of people. Personally, for such liberty and provocation to discredit the authorities, I would immediately remove all government posts and conduct an investigation on the acquisition of various profitable assets. And let it go for free bread. The state is strong in that it can correctly determine the dominions and priorities in its activities. The working people should be provided, as well as everyone who gave their potential a decent pension. An retirement pension is a manifestation of a wise state policy towards its subjects
          6. Sarcasm
            Sarcasm 4 November 2018 17: 51
            0
            Yeah, to throw the disabled from the cliff! wassat
        3. milton
          milton 3 November 2018 15: 04
          +3
          The worst thing is that this person is also a leader in edra! What are the drivers with their hand on, they just take horror fool
        4. alexmach
          alexmach 3 November 2018 15: 51
          +3
          then the whole party looks like a COLLECTION of useful "idiots"

          She doesn’t look like that, they are.
      2. uyrii
        uyrii 3 November 2018 07: 46
        +40
        looking at his photo, I can’t believe that he is a plastic surgeon, but he looks like a deputy.
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 3 November 2018 07: 47
        +9
        Quote: Tatar 174
        A man is not adequate and without a brain in his head

        I almost didn’t make a mistake with the McCain forecast, I’m not mistaken here either. In the next 7-9 years, this snickering deputoid will have the opportunity to once again ponder his attitude to pension after a stroke or heart attack dodges him. Are all patients of this doctoroid happy?
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 3 November 2018 10: 17
          +14
          Quote: Balu
          Are all patients of this doctoroid happy?

          Yes, if everyone was happy, would he need parliamentary immunity?
      4. cost
        cost 3 November 2018 07: 55
        +19
        Who chose him? Voters have nothing to do with the campaign. besides, they get deputy from party lists.
        1. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 3 November 2018 09: 43
          +12
          Quote: Rich
          Who chose him?

          We, Yaroslavl sad
          True, this character was not in my area ...
          I had enough billboards in the area with my classmate, whom I pulled a drunk from a hostel into a Drybadan wassat But now a non-drinker, advocating for a city and a country! Oh how! Yes, he wouldn’t vote for him in life, knowing how he got there, as candidates ...

          So we live ... There are no Lenins and Stalin among the candidates. And in that way they would not have taken power. And those who are ... so, parasites sucked
          1. Sergei75
            Sergei75 3 November 2018 23: 12
            0
            Do you think he
            Have you heard of the distraction maneuver? They will now make him rich with tenders and government orders, because he covered with his chest.
        2. Machito
          Machito 3 November 2018 11: 56
          +9
          An ordinary deputy from "United Russia" betrayed the secret aspirations of the entire party.
      5. 210ox
        210ox 3 November 2018 08: 20
        +21
        "The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire United Russia. The deputy head of the United Russia Duma faction, Andrei Isaev, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions." However, the party supported this inadequacy in the elections. talk about the opinion of one person. Expel him first, then tryndite.
        1. Dude
          Dude 3 November 2018 08: 54
          +17
          Yes, the deputy head of the Duma fraction of United Russia party is cunning Andrei Isaev! What, is this the first such statement coming from the bowels of his party?

          It's just a window, his mother, Overton. First, raising the retirement age, then abolishing the pension, in general, then the patsaks will be forced to wear a tsak, and serfdom can be restored there!

          They will also explain that being a slave is very good and pleasant! You don’t need to think about anything - the owner will feed and give water and drink. He is not an enemy of himself, he will take care of his property)))

          The class of the new "elite" has already been formed.
          Now the new patricians need slaves.
          1. Machito
            Machito 3 November 2018 11: 58
            +6
            Do the patricians need pitchforks?
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 3 November 2018 14: 02
              +2
              Quote: Bearded
              Do the patricians need pitchforks?

              They already have villas. laughing
            2. Dude
              Dude 3 November 2018 17: 07
              +1
              Quote: Bearded
              Do the patricians need pitchforks?

              I mean, sideways?))
      6. another RUSICH
        another RUSICH 3 November 2018 08: 20
        0
        And now, attention, the question is: who elected him deputy?
        People!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 November 2018 08: 57
          +9
          About the "people" ... The pension reform has passed. In the collective at work, there is virtually no reaction. I ask, well, now will you vote against United Russia? No, FOR! Why? Yes, there is no one else for you .. Here is the "terrible Russian revolt" upstairs they see and monitor everything, so you can do whatever you want with us.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 3 November 2018 09: 47
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            I ask, well, now will you vote against the EP? No, FOR! Why? Yes, there is no one else .. Here is the "terrible Russian revolt" Up there they see and monitor everything. So you can do whatever you want with us.

            They needed the electorate, not the proletariat. They created it. lol
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        1. kitt409
          kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 15
          0
          And the return does not torment ??
          WELL, IF I CHARGE "COLA", AND AT LEAST ONE HANDLE ???)))
          P.S. Do not forget to find out what a "stake" is in basketball))
      8. Sergei75
        Sergei75 3 November 2018 23: 11
        0
        Yes, Pu and Dimon will give him the Hero of Russia, because he covered with his chest, now everyone will forget about raising the retirement age.
        In tactics this is called - a distraction!
    2. Vard
      Vard 3 November 2018 07: 21
      +18
      But in principle, a good idea, provided that the state pays a lump sum of all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishing the pension fund ... In my case, this is about seven million rubles ...
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 3 November 2018 07: 25
        +18
        Quote: Vard
        provided that the state pays with a lump sum all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishment of the pension fund

        What are you, brother? Forgot the saying "What fell from the cart ..."? Almost everyone has a rather large sum to retire, but what will the government officials and their servants and their relatives live on?
        1. Vard
          Vard 3 November 2018 07: 40
          +18
          But this question doesn’t concern me ... Or money for a barrel, or let them introduce a mandatory examination of deputies and officials for mental health ...
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 4 November 2018 07: 13
            0
            Quote: Vard
            Either money for a barrel or let them introduce a mandatory examination of deputies and officials for mental health ...

            Oh, well, you say ... Do you even live in Russia or where? These deputies and officials, well, some of them with a mentally abnormal diagnosis, in order to become one, they bought university diplomas, where they were either too lazy to study or just dumb they bought everything or would buy, including the same experts who would have to examine them and they will write in the results that everything is normal ... And you think that they just take and give the money ??? ...
        2. Machito
          Machito 3 November 2018 12: 00
          +2
          The priest does not have change.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 3 November 2018 09: 57
        +6
        Quote: Vard
        But in principle, a good idea, provided that the state pays a lump sum of all the money that was withdrawn from the population on the pretext of replenishing the pension fund ...

        Do you want to risk playing gambling with the State? laughing
        In such a situation, the hyperinflation and devaluation of the 90s will seem like flowers and you can buy only a can of stew for your "muliennes". wink
    3. Finches
      Finches 3 November 2018 08: 17
      +10
      In order to become a deputy it is imperative to have the opinion of a psychiatrist and not one on hand ... However, sometimes it seems that people having such an opinion become a deputy .... positive! laughing
      1. prapor55
        prapor55 3 November 2018 09: 13
        +2
        Rather, without a certificate of a mental health disorder, you could not even think of a deputy and, all the more, of membership in United Russia.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 3 November 2018 13: 14
          -3
          Quote: prapor55
          Rather, without a certificate of a mental health disorder, you could not even think of a deputy and, all the more, of membership in United Russia.

          And in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with a certificate or does it by itself assume that its member is the "gene pool of the nation"?
          1. prapor55
            prapor55 3 November 2018 15: 19
            0
            I’m not a fan of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, just using my majority, I went beyond all reasonable limits. PS Former members of the CPSU now hold power request
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 3 November 2018 15: 33
              0
              Quote: prapor55
              I’m not a fan of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, just using my majority, I went beyond all reasonable limits. PS Former members of the CPSU now hold power request

              Yes, understand that the members of the EP or the Liberal Democratic Party, or the Communist Party, these are people from one entrance and they do not change anything in the country, they change (a little) in the country their older comrades ....
              1. prapor55
                prapor55 3 November 2018 18: 06
                +1
                But I haven’t answered you that way? hi
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 November 2018 09: 28
        +21
        Do not need any conclusions from doctors. Pull anyone - either an athlete, or an artist, or a lawyer, or some kind of professional ... Who of these deputies earned a penny. There used to be Vasily Shandybin, something was in him from the peasant. And now? Therefore, they sit and are hungry before the people in their inventions.
        The first thing that had to be canceled was the benefits and privileges after leaving the post. Leave a few for the president and all! And here, whatever, it’s either with poppy seeds or with sesame seeds. They spend 18 thousand for medicines ... they pay 12 thousand for an apartment ... Yes, your problems. The people did not hire you to support your palaces, servants, kitties, dogs and other animals.
        There was a sensible proposal about the federation council. 1 person from a million inhabitants, regardless of the status of the region. Let them work and decide what to do, but on the ground. So that people can reach out to them. Now the means of communication are quite perfect. You can also vote from a "computer". And in order not to relax, the population should have the right to recall the "snickering" or overstepping, or lying ...
        1. Machito
          Machito 3 November 2018 12: 14
          0
          Not just to recall, but to plant thieves.
        2. Aktium
          Aktium 4 November 2018 02: 06
          +1
          In our country, this is utopia.
        3. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 4 November 2018 07: 21
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Now the means of communication are quite perfect. You can also vote from a "computer". And in order not to relax, the population should have the right to recall the "snickering" or overstepping, or lying ...

          In-in! Voting should be open online on the public services website or through the ESIA, then the fraud will be much less, or they will report that the EP received 70 percent or more, where there are such deputies with such proposals (see photo). We know what she got.
      3. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 3 November 2018 10: 01
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        However, sometimes it seems that just people having such a conclusion become a deputy .... positive!

        Well, what is the system, such are the "heroes" request
        1. Machito
          Machito 3 November 2018 12: 15
          +1
          Too many macaroni lately.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 3 November 2018 16: 50
            -1
            Quote: Bearded
            Too many macaroni lately.

            On the ears? lol
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    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 November 2018 11: 12
      +14
      the softest thing that the subscribers of the deputy’s page suggested was the excommunication of Petrovsky from his chair with employment in a mine without further entitlement to receive a pension.

      And not on a state mine, but on a privatized one, with private ownership! How much I earned, I got so much, according to the volume made! And indeed, without retirement in the future!

      At least six months would have him for such bread!
  2. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 3 November 2018 07: 18
    0
    Well, what can I say! You hold on there no money at all.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 08: 28
      +3
      Money is not about our honor, if you look at the budget surplus and the purchase of gold. But such a statement from the ruling party is not the first and looks like manipulating attention - to switch popular anger (and, accordingly, demands) from the held pension, reform, to the next possible one. At the same time, we’re eating Russia, we say such fools are only piece-wise, and the majority of party members are quite prudent and socially responsible people who support the people and the country)).
      The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire United Russia party. Andrei Isaev, deputy head of the United Russia Duma faction, noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 November 2018 09: 37
        +5
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        There is money, but not about our honorif you look at the budget surplus and the purchase of gold.

        Grandpa Pikhto! I don't even doubt that not all surplus money is being told to us. I gave an example of oil, talking about $ 55. This is a real, tax-free amount. And then there is gas ... But you never know? If they were rooting for the country, they would not poke some American bans in our faces. The light has converged like a wedge on more than one United States. And they will be rude, in their insolent face even with "Caliber", even with "Dagger", even just from the hand ... They diluted the polishes with parasites and themselves became the same.
        1. Machito
          Machito 3 November 2018 12: 16
          0
          Drones lit up.
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    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 November 2018 07: 22
      +10
      Quote: ANCIENT
      .typical liberal neurotic, living to the detriment of the country.

      why "liberal"? this is a bright representative of the ruling party "Edro" .... before the abolition of pensions, not a single "liberast" even thought of ...
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 3 November 2018 07: 33
        +7
        Yurievich hi -if judged by the laws that the party of power is imposing on the country, there are totally liberal enemies of the people. Moreover, the enemies of the people are real, without quotes.
      2. ltc35
        ltc35 3 November 2018 07: 38
        +6
        They recruit anyone in EP for any quantity, and then they scratch their turnips, what to do ... One thing is alarming: first, the Samara region, now this is inadequate. Some unhealthy trend, however, is being drawn. Perhaps they are preparing for something?
        1. edmed
          edmed 3 November 2018 08: 34
          +6
          Quote: ltc35
          Perhaps they are preparing for something?

          Are they probing the soil, checking the reaction, the indicator of "pension reform", were there any indignations? So the swamp swayed, the norms can continue to act.
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 3 November 2018 07: 38
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        why "liberal"? this is a bright representative of the ruling party "Edro" .... before the abolition of pensions, not a single "liberast" even thought of ...

        Horror who do we choose? And there are such "patriots" in the entire State Duma, but how can we recall it? Once the people have chosen, then the people should recall this son of Lieutenant Schmidt.
        There is a counter proposal from a rival party, quite reasonable, fair, but a priori impossible.
        1. Declarant
          Declarant 3 November 2018 18: 35
          0
          Very sensible offer. This is possible in the presidency.
      4. 1 Navigator
        1 Navigator 3 November 2018 18: 19
        0
        What a liberal representative of United Russia
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      1. kitt409
        kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 20
        0
        write again) 00
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  4. Conductor
    Conductor 3 November 2018 07: 21
    +6
    So there the whole party is people with low social responsibility.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 07: 34
      -6
      No way. I know the deputy (district) of Yedros, to whom, at the time of the reception, grannies come asking for money. And he gives them out of his pocket.
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 3 November 2018 08: 19
        +5
        Krasnodar - do not believe it, but I know several people who help the poor or the poor, and not one of them is and will not be a member of the party in power, or they will not even get into the local government.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2018 08: 22
          -3
          Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.
          1. Vladimir Teplov
            Vladimir Teplov 3 November 2018 08: 44
            -5
            And how during the war the Nazis were determined by one comb or not. This is a good fascist and this is bad
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2018 08: 51
              -3
              Very incorrect comparison.
          2. AUL
            AUL 3 November 2018 08: 55
            +1
            Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2018 08: 57
              -1
              Quote: AUL
              Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?

              1) In order to really change something
              2) To protect your business
              3) For other personal preferences
              1. saigon
                saigon 3 November 2018 10: 45
                +3
                So from your conclusions in EDROs I come from selfish motives?
                Although, he knew the heads of the maternity hospital doctor who had joined the party for the needs of his maternity hospital
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 November 2018 10: 47
                  0
                  Quote: saigon
                  So from your conclusions in EDROs I come from selfish motives?
                  Although, he knew the heads of the maternity hospital doctor who had joined the party for the needs of his maternity hospital

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Quote: AUL
                  Krasnodar, but why do you think a person can join the EP?

                  1) In order to really change something
                  2) To protect your business
                  3) For other personal preferences

                  In the case of your friends - point one
                  1. saigon
                    saigon 3 November 2018 13: 16
                    +1
                    We will take paragraph number one as an exception, and two and three remain, the result is sad.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 13: 43
                      +1
                      Not certainly in that way.
                      Why does a person - no matter which country in the world - get into politics in general?
                      1) Self-realization and recognition - the top of the pyramid of A. Maslov
                      2) The psychological factor - when I made money / have money - I want power. It’s also acceptable - I’ve achieved something in my life / inherited something / both, I want something more. Examples are Trump, Berlusconi, Kennedy.
                      3) Vocation - there are such people. Public enthusiasts. A bit of careerism in character - and forward.
                      4) Features of the social structure of the country - plowed, hunched over, did not sleep at night - created their own business, which reached an acceptable level of income - they can be overcome. Therefore, to protect the cause of his life, a person goes to the party in power. There is nothing wrong with that - if he knows how to work, organize and control - he will be more useful than harm.
                      5) For the sake of personal preferences and material wealth - this is the whole world. And it all depends on the personal qualities of a particular person. In most cases, this is very bad due to abuse of power. But sometimes we are talking about completely normal people who in the power structures will provide for themselves (legally - salaries, privileges) are much better than on free bread.
                      So it’s an exception or a rule, or maybe given - it’s hard to say laughing
                      1. Machito
                        Machito 4 November 2018 18: 40
                        0
                        Deputy activity is just a business, making money.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 3 November 2018 14: 19
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.

            A normal person will not get into such a company. I think that your deputy with interest beat off those grandmothers that are distributed to grannies.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2018 14: 26
              0
              He has his own business. He is a rich man.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 3 November 2018 14: 27
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                He has his own business. He is a rich man.

                And in power it will become even richer.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 November 2018 14: 33
                  -1
                  No, not that case.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 3 November 2018 14: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    No, not that case.

                    Then why does he need this hemorrhoid? He would establish a charity fund and help everyone in a row. And if he is in EdR, then the EdR policy suits him. How to explain this?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 14: 41
                      0
                      He probably wants to change something in this country for the better. And United Russia is closer to him than the Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party and others.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 3 November 2018 14: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        He probably wants to change something in this country for the better. And United Russia is closer to him,

                        Party discipline will not allow him to change anything there. Naturally, he can improve something there at the district level. By weaning others. And that’s all. It would be better to create a fund. wink
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2018 15: 03
                        +1
                        Wait and see. That he will not take anything away from others - I am sure, before his deputy, he helped a lot of people without a fund, and we will see what he really can. Time will tell )).
          4. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 15: 33
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Similarly, on the other hand, cutting all the Edros under one comb is also a mistake.

            Right That edrosovets deputy of the State Duma Makarov is a completely different matter, wholeheartedly rooting for the people)) I wonder only what kind of people? He will be one of yours, only you will not be gathered for permanent residence.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2018 16: 44
              0
              Yes, Makarov is a typically Jewish surname. Straight Hinstein. laughing And what's wrong with him?
              1. DEDPIHTO
                DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 17: 39
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Yes, Makarov is a typically Jewish surname. Straight Hinstein. laughing And what's wrong with him?

                Come on pretend to be, your usual business for your name to ,, convenient, change, living in Russia laughing And why not look at his initiatives on YouTube or on the Internet and read, and given the negligible number of fellow tribesmen in Russia (less than 1% and everything in business and in government), you can understand against whom such initiatives are directed. am And yes, Hinshtein, a former anti-corruption fighter (she only grew by leaps and bounds because no one fought, only on TV PR), watching over Rosguardia (well, how to leave the gop-general unattended) and now got dep. mandate from an area that has never had anything to do with wassat . And besides these, how many more at different levels, here you can generally talk about a creeping capture .. am
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 November 2018 17: 42
                  0
                  Yes, you are so nervous laughing
                  Jews in power - miserable, in business - a lot, and no one has changed their names for a long time))
                  1. DEDPIHTO
                    DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 17: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Yes, you are so nervous laughing
                    Jews in power - miserable, in business - a lot, and no one has changed their names for a long time))

                    Tell grandmothers on the central TV channels (and here your propagandists) and not me. Bad it all ends, for everyone.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 17: 58
                      0
                      Well yes. Soon we will calculate, arrest you for inciting ethnic hatred, take him to occupied Palestine, put blood on matzo, freeze our ears on Purim, and sacrifice our body as a sacrifice to a Zionist idol - a golden calf named Ben Gurion am
                      1. DEDPIHTO
                        DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 18: 09
                        +3
                        Your idol will choke, I'm old and tasteless tongue For Russophobia and genocide of the Russian people, my children will ask the Zionists if I have no fate. am
                      2. DEDPIHTO
                        DEDPIHTO 3 November 2018 19: 04
                        0
                        By threatening me with murder, you Krasnodar already provided yourself with an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. So do not relax, dry crackers ... laughing
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 November 2018 19: 14
                        0
                        Quote: DEPHIHTO
                        By threatening me with murder, you Krasnodar already provided yourself with an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. So do not relax, dry crackers ... laughing

                        So Ben Gurion with his spouse Sobchak (Finkelstein-Great-grandmother Dial) do not eat to death laughing
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 3 November 2018 08: 20
        +5
        The deputy has other functions rather than giving out money out of pocket.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2018 08: 23
          -1
          Quote: Conductor
          The deputy has other functions rather than giving out money out of pocket.

          And would you be able to refuse the granny?
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 3 November 2018 09: 38
            +4
            But I do not refuse, in our cooperative, we help the poor, where we will pay electricity for them, who do not want to heat gas, then we will throw up firewood and coal, dig up a garden, collect a crop, that we can help with their country houses, and we urban area, if they sell, do not let the price deceive, but just come, sit, mourn with the elderly listen to them
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 3 November 2018 09: 45
              -2
              So this deputy does not refuse)) And they go to him mainly for money
              1. RitaNik
                RitaNik 3 November 2018 17: 59
                +1
                Actually, mercy! Nude is given secretly "but the right hand does not know what the left is doing." Otherwise it's PR. Is your deputy feeding the electorate? )))
    2. Iline
      Iline 3 November 2018 07: 34
      +6
      The deputy head of the Duma faction of United Russia Andrei Isaev noted that only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions.

      I will support your thought. After, thanks to edra, pension was actually canceled by raising the retirement age, talking about the irresponsibility of an individual bright representative of this party from the outside looks ridiculous. And sad.
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 3 November 2018 07: 22
    +5
    These "reformers" are directly gushing with ideas. You can, of course, show off as long as you have health and, accordingly, money.
  6. Graz
    Graz 3 November 2018 07: 24
    +7
    in ery for some reason a much larger percentage of inadequate power than in other parties
    why they don’t check them with a psychiatrist every year
  7. askort154
    askort154 3 November 2018 07: 25
    +6
    I looked at this face, exhausted by the continuous "meetings", and immediately understood that it was another deputy who flashed his erudition and care for the people. angry
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 07: 36
      -1
      If we ignore his ideas - a decent person, an oncologist, a plastic surgeon. The question is how adequate)))
      1. Vard
        Vard 3 November 2018 07: 44
        +3
        The surgeon is plastic ... that’s it all ... And if you take into account that the list of hymenoplasty services, then I don’t even know how to call it ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 November 2018 07: 52
          -2
          Why? Among the girls - representatives of some ethnic diasporas, a quite popular operation))
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 November 2018 07: 30
    +9
    Stupid person ... No words ... Generally stupid. He studied poorly at the institute, and did not outline the Criticism of the Gotha Program. I did not teach political economy.
  9. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 3 November 2018 07: 31
    +5
    here you have the scots-ryo-lo party of power in the photo fool
  10. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 November 2018 07: 31
    +4
    Sinking to the level of slaughtered Central Asian countries?
    Yes, don't use epithets on this ... "face"! Don't waste your energy ...
    I am sure he is already picking up with his fingers - sausages a refutation that his page was hacked, and so it is white and fluffy!
    1. tanelorn
      tanelorn 3 November 2018 07: 53
      +8
      Good to all. About pensions, it seems, is prescribed in the Constitution. And it (the deputy) is against. Never undermining the Constitutional norms of the Russian Federation.
  11. afrikanez
    afrikanez 3 November 2018 07: 34
    +2
    Isn't it this face (rather a snout) who "ruled" in the PRF, as at home, and now is talking all sorts of nonsense? recourse
  12. Conductor
    Conductor 3 November 2018 07: 40
    +2
    In general, EP should exclude him for such an affront.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 3 November 2018 08: 22
      +7
      In fact, it is necessary not to exclude it, but to plant it!
      Swung on the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in particular on Article 7
      After all, his wife, not drunk in the kitchen, was trembling.
    2. saigon
      saigon 3 November 2018 13: 24
      0
      Dear Yerosty, they should not exclude him, and after the pension reform they can safely dissolve themselves, as they are completely messed up in violation of the constitution.
      And I do not think that the curses of people will pass for them in vain.
  13. oracul
    oracul 3 November 2018 07: 52
    +1
    There is only one question - why do people with such views become members of EP and deputies? I’m not talking about mental deviations, because I understand that if he had told his voters about his idea before the elections, then he would not see him as a deputy, as his ears.
    1. Dude
      Dude 3 November 2018 09: 38
      0
      Do not you think that the answer to your question is already contained in the question itself?
  14. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 3 November 2018 07: 59
    +3
    well, what to take from him ... the carcass ran for September and the Communist Party deputy lost and a scandal with a fit of hysteria ... on the local channel for a long time he delirious
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 November 2018 08: 01
    +7
    Why was everyone so excited? Raising the retirement age also began with the statements of individual deputies.
  16. Fanis
    Fanis 3 November 2018 08: 04
    +1
    To write such a heresy so that everyone knows that you are a stupid person fool - D. Petrovsky did it ...
    1. Dude
      Dude 3 November 2018 09: 36
      +3
      This is not heresy. This is a focused throw-in, to study the reaction, and, which is a hundred times more important, putting this issue on the agenda.
  17. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 3 November 2018 08: 05
    +7
    adding that he is also against pension as such.
    .
    The party led by the president is on the right track good drinks As soon as the counts and barons were introduced, there is feudalism, and slaves are exchanged with incomprehensible substance. This is a mess! Great society gentlemen from the highest caste of officials must take care of the decision and lower it down. The President will sign .... this is an article about the boyars, and the tsar is talking about .... he thinks he thinks to crush the dollar, but if he lived on a salary, and, moreover, on the security of the FSO and the Rotenbergs, then human laws might be adopted, and not like now.?
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 November 2018 08: 12
    +3
    oncologist (in combination - a plastic surgeon)
    Concurrently, a municipal deputy. Inadequacy rushing not only from him, but also very often from the deputies of the State Duma - the status is higher, and therefore more inadequacy. Honestly, I ceased to be surprised (indignant) by the expression of individuals in a high position. It may be that with such a ryah, a pension is really not needed, but the retirement age will be suitable and will require, moreover, the position occupied, which means an increased one.
  19. Vladyka Ecumenical
    Vladyka Ecumenical 3 November 2018 08: 20
    +3
    Is this for sure a doctor and a deputy ...?
    Or is it some kind of cannibal, well, at best, the leader of some organized crime group?
  20. Million
    Million 3 November 2018 08: 30
    +3
    And every two such deputies. In the party Edro-even more
  21. ROBIN-SON
    ROBIN-SON 3 November 2018 08: 51
    0
    I would not go to him as a doctor. Well it is. But if his opinion does not reflect the opinion of your party, then part with him. Let it go to the Liberal Democratic Party or the Communist Party ...
  22. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 3 November 2018 08: 55
    +10
    Article 3 of the Constitution of Russia.

    1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
    2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through government bodies and local governments.
    3. The highest direct expression of people's power is a referendum and free elections.
    4. No one can usurp power in the Russian Federation. The seizure of power or the appropriation of power is prosecuted under federal law.
    .

    The Constitution of Russia is the basic law?
    The Supreme Court rejected the referendum.
    Presumably, the authorities consider the first stage of the "pension reform" completed. As Medvedev put it: "... we must accept ...". You can proceed to the second stage - the complete elimination of pensions.
    Petrovsky is not the only one. Is this the first time you hear such an offer?
    1. private person
      private person 3 November 2018 09: 53
      +2
      The highest direct expression of people's power is a referendum and free elections.

      Oh, not for a simple reason, the guarantor put a devoted person in the leadership of Ros.guard, and he did not raise their retirement age either.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 3 November 2018 10: 03
        +3
        Quote: private person
        Oh, not for a simple reason, the guarantor put a devoted person in the leadership of Ros.guard, and he did not raise their retirement age either.

        Oh, not easy! wink
  23. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 3 November 2018 08: 56
    +1
    If he said he was against pensions for the government !! That yes ... and so no .. Ticket deputies ..
  24. private person
    private person 3 November 2018 09: 13
    0
    Eliminate the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation! Fully. Property to sell. Officials work.

    Well, not all the staff should be dispersed, but most of it should be left at the expense of property only with what is needed in the work. And so the opinion of this deputy reflects the attitude of those in power towards us mere mortals. They consider us a consumable, worked and die so as not to pay a pension.
  25. Vanek
    Vanek 3 November 2018 09: 15
    +3
    He is groot.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 November 2018 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: Vanek
      He is groot.

      More like Hodor from Game of Thrones laughing
  26. faterdom
    faterdom 3 November 2018 09: 26
    +3
    The United Russia members are the same Ukrainian elite, who simply did not wander to full readiness. It is easy to imagine that such types will finance some "nazbats" to promote their interests to the masses. And vote for a multiple increase in housing prices.
  27. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 3 November 2018 09: 29
    +1
    Just for that, plant !!!
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 3 November 2018 09: 30
    +2
    That's right! Although the representative of the government does not hide the true intentions. The fact that all social benefits, primarily the merit of socialism, but now capitalism has come.
    Everything is honest and noble, from the high stands it is said that the authorities think
  29. Mestny
    Mestny 3 November 2018 09: 36
    -5
    The expected stream of comments.
    Voters again, nothing to do with, and of course he was sent to us from another planet.
    Let’s increase the intensity of watering with the slops of our government!
    The main thing at the same time is not to work by any chance, so that nothing would fall into the pockets of the oligarchs.
    Aw, fighters with the regime - do you even understand that you are being used?
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 November 2018 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Mestny
      fighters with the regime - do you even understand that you are being used?

      So you better say right away that he did not say this or as it should be with the authorities:
      A man similar to Skuratov .......................
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 3 November 2018 11: 49
        0
        I’d better say right away that to interpret about power and the people as two single objects is suitable for teenagers and rallies.
        In fact, "power" as well as "people" is extremely complex and varied in manifestations of the system.
  30. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 3 November 2018 09: 38
    +1
    The party said that the opinion of an individual deputy does not reflect the views of the entire "United Russia"

    But in the State Duma, in a strange way, he reflects such Petrovsky in a collective frenzy when voting. lol
  31. Tusv
    Tusv 3 November 2018 09: 40
    +1
    E my friend deputy. Yes, here it sounds like a call to mass ephtanasia. This is a long term.
  32. Mihail55
    Mihail55 3 November 2018 09: 40
    +4
    Again our Yaroslavl thundered all over Russia !!! smile But not yet evening! All a Happy Holiday! There were also bright days at our ancient city - 4 months was the CAPITAL in 1612 !!!
    How such individuals disgrace the memory of glorious countrymen ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 3 November 2018 11: 50
      -3
      Do not worry. You will still have such an opportunity to be the capital if the fighters with the current regime win.
      There will be a Yaroslavl democratic republic under the wise protectorate of NATO.
  33. Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 3 November 2018 09: 43
    +3
    Man is divorced from current realities. Someone lives from paycheck to paycheck, someone pays a mortgage, a loan, teaches children and there is no opportunity to postpone for old age. And with age, there are still expenses for treatment. Well, those who are not sitting in the office, who have difficult, harmful working conditions by the age of 60, ate their feet.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 3 November 2018 11: 55
      0
      Someone yes, and someone no. Both of them are citizens of one country.
      But the communists will tell you that in the USSR everyone was equal.
      The choice, as always, is yours - to believe these stories, and destroy an unfair state, plunging the rest into the abyss of civil war and redivision, or still accept reality as an inevitable fact, and continue to live more or less normal.
      1. kitt409
        kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 34
        0
        Are you trying to advocate non-resistance to evil with violence?
        And keep your ideas that in the fight against the regime "everything will lead exclusively to NATO, keep it to yourself - oh, how ambiguous, apart from revolutions, there are also evolutions, did you not know?)
  34. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 November 2018 09: 47
    +3
    He will have to make plastic for himself and change his last name. Or maybe citizenship. laughing
  35. friend of animals
    friend of animals 3 November 2018 09: 54
    -1
    There are similar cases in world practice. The point is that the person himself should save money in a separate bank account at a preferential interest rate with certain conditions for using this account. But money does not disappear anywhere, does not "burn" after death. In our country, of course, this option is complicated by the Soviet past and the thieves' present. But for the new generation, the option is quite suitable. People did not understand the essence of the proposal, he did not mean to deprive today's pensioners of their pensions.

    One way or another, today's pension system is worthless and provides the widest scope for theft.
    1. hohkn
      hohkn 3 November 2018 16: 26
      0
      Quote: friend of beasts
      The bottom line is that the person himself would save money on a separate bank account at a reduced rate with certain conditions for using this account.

      And then the bank is covered with a copper basin, as they have already done over 400. And the insurer is returning as many as 700 thousand (or is it now a little more?) - the main thing is not to deny yourself anything with this money.
      1. friend of animals
        friend of animals 3 November 2018 17: 00
        0
        Initially, this is a bank with state participation. Although in Russia, anything can cover up and depreciate, then you can add money under the mattress.
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  37. denart50
    denart50 3 November 2018 10: 14
    -1
    "only an irresponsible person can talk about the elimination of pensions"...

    Well, or a plastic surgeon, of whom the aforementioned soothsayer is ... I think that operations of this type allow him to accumulate certain amounts for living in old age ... However, not all in our country are such specialists ...
    "We are talking about deputy Dmitry Petrovsky, an oncologist (concurrently - plastic surgeon) local clinic "...
  38. Govorun
    Govorun 3 November 2018 10: 21
    0
    The "EP" reacted to the proposal of the deputy on the dissolution of the FIU and the abolition of pensions
    It is now a fashion to join "EP" not because of the presence of mind, but because of its absence ... ??? Maybe it's time for EdRoss to clean up the staff, I understand that there will be no one there then to work, but these parasites do not work anyway, but squander the budget ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 3 November 2018 11: 57
      -2
      And who works in their place?
      Or is nobody working at all? Then I don’t see any reason to change the flea, if all the same no one works.
  39. wlkw
    wlkw 3 November 2018 10: 22
    +1
    I hope that this idiot is even thrown out of the deputies
    1. mavrus
      mavrus 3 November 2018 12: 01
      +2
      Yeah, wait ... This one will be sent to the State Duma rather "for promotion".
  40. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 3 November 2018 10: 26
    0
    He simply expressed what the Government is dreaming of. burned their hidden desires. In general, it is not surprising - this is EP ...
  41. Tashkent citizen
    Tashkent citizen 3 November 2018 10: 43
    +2
    First, to fool him, and then retire for brain disability.
  42. Dr. Alban-M
    Dr. Alban-M 3 November 2018 10: 43
    +8
    Pension reform is aimed primarily .to destroy those born in the USSR! After all, men?
    And it will be easier to work with young people with nothing to compare ...
    Tell "old folk" to your children and your grandson what happened and what happened (while they are still alive) .. And especially what can happen to Russia! Who plans to make the West Russian (I think it's not worth reminding? ..)
  43. Altona
    Altona 3 November 2018 10: 46
    +4
    Anyone who advocates the abolition of pensions and raising the retirement age is worthy of execution. And it is not discussed.
    1. Dr. Alban-M
      Dr. Alban-M 3 November 2018 13: 58
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Anyone who advocates the abolition of pensions and raising the retirement age is worthy of execution. And it is not discussed.

      I for example and what? Quickly die out, so as not to see the collapse of Russia .. Such are the things! soldier
  44. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 November 2018 11: 50
    +4
    Here is this emaciated, you must first, as a true patriot, check everything on yourself. I propose: by a special law of the Duma to refuse to accrue pensions to Petrovsky upon reaching retirement age for life. Further decision on pensions should be made based on the results of the experiment. Well and for reliability to select some more deputies supporting such point of view.
  45. mavrus
    mavrus 3 November 2018 11: 57
    +2
    I just want to look into the eyes of those who "vote" for such.
  46. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 November 2018 12: 09
    +2
    Another thought on this subject, the proposal is good, but apply it only to deputies of all levels and officials at the level of heads of administrations, ministers and their deputies and heads of departments and commanders, and all ministries and departments without exception. How much money will remain in the FIU can’t even imagine
  47. fif21
    fif21 3 November 2018 12: 18
    +4
    Is it really necessary to make a retirement age of 100 years, so that people understand that future retirees simply can’t live to retire! The ratio of prices to salaries does not contribute to the growth of life expectancy. HLS - requires large expenses (sports, food, recreation ..) cost money and, moreover, not small. Life expectancy grows only in reports, and a simple analysis of mortality by category: civil servant, individual entrepreneur, wage worker .. will show that the most vulnerable sectors of the population have a wage worker, self-employed .. average life expectancy of 50-60 years. You wish that you would be paid money in the FIU - your right. But to think about how to ensure your old age is also your right. Young people who are now 18–25 years old should already think about whether I need a pension fund from the Russian Federation or non-state pension funds. The ease with which the state changes the rules of the game and appropriates pension money for itself is shocking to me. There are two ways - to bring thieves out of the country or take care of yourself (to become the same, and provide yourself and the children with a prosperous future) hi
  48. gurzuf
    gurzuf 3 November 2018 12: 20
    +2
    The most striking thing is that we ourselves are planting these mules for "feeding" with our own hands. Moreover, not only for one term!
  49. ltc35
    ltc35 3 November 2018 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: KOCMOC
    Quote: Tatiana
    And how many of these IRRESPONDED people are in "United Russia"

    Well, why, on the contrary, a very bold statement, I fully support it. The abolition of pensions is a great idea, such concepts as retirement age, retirement period will be unnecessary, again, you will not have to pay your hard earned pension to the pension fund. The topic of controversy and the source of the burning dislike of the people for power will disappear. That is, everyone considers themselves smart, right, that’s how you personally and smartly plan your expenses, save for retirement, you decide how much you need and when to retire. Do you see the authorities like them, officials are thieves, now the people will have the opportunity to personally manage their money, work, age, even more personal freedom and responsibility. And then many are used to laziness and idleness, thumping, smoking, ineptly waste life and health, egoists, consumers, children are reluctant to give birth and raise, and because of the old age, an aimless living life requires someone else to keep them .. Pensions must be definitely canceled, let everyone plan for himself, besides, children should keep their parents under the old age. Leave only pensions for people with disabilities, pay pensions only to those who fall under the old law, give their retirement savings to all those remaining, and close the pension structure of the state. It will be right.

    Mil, man! First, cancel inflation and other disasters. Then I’ll be ready to put off my retirement. The state is simply obliged to take care of old people who have worked all their lives for it and no matter how. Someone at the machine, someone in the field, and someone as a teacher, everyone worked for the country, creating the benefits that everyone uses!
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 3 November 2018 21: 28
      -1
      Mil, man!
      Quote: ltc35
      ltc35 (Alexey)

      And you in the leadership of such personnel that
      inflation and other disasters
      arrange to stop, stop .... Um .... More precisely, stop choosing those that plant those that suit
      inflation and other disasters
      .... Toda and ... um ... get to retirement will be easier (for starters).

      In general, this is a misunderstanding: This Soviet State owed it to the old people, workers, and others like them. And the current RF doesn’t even think so (judging by the activity).
      1. kitt409
        kitt409 4 November 2018 05: 40
        0
        It’s not time to understand that if at least something depended on the voter, then he wouldn’t be allowed close to the ballot boxes, but according to a special list, nothing else ...
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 4 November 2018 15: 23
          0
          Quote: kitt409
          It’s not time to understand that if at least something depended on the voter, then he wouldn’t be allowed close to the ballot boxes, but according to a special list, nothing else ...

          It depends on the methodology for implementing the choice .... repeat
          1. kitt409
            kitt409 4 November 2018 20: 08
            0
            While she is alone - the one who is needed falls)
  50. NordUral
    NordUral 3 November 2018 12: 54
    +1
    He simply voiced the dreams of "our" government.