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Beginning of the end: Turkey may soon leave NATO?

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After Ankara purchased Russian C-400 “Triumph” air-defense and anti-missile defense systems, there was talk of the continued presence of the Turkish army in the ranks of NATO. It is clear that the United States exerted unprecedented pressure on Turkey in the issue of procurement weapons production of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, however, the Pentagon would not want Erdogan to lead his country beyond the North Atlantic Alliance.




Recently, the White House has been waging economic or trade wars with dozens of countries around the world, including its own historical partners from the Old World or the Middle East. Russia has been under economic sanctions from the United States since 2014. Washington imposed multi-billion dollar trade duties against China. Even the United States is trying to put pressure on the European Union regarding the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 project in the hope of ousting Russian gas from the European energy market, replacing it with American LNG.

It is not surprising that, against this background, even Turkey fell under the American distribution. Washington reproached Ankara not only for the Russian C-400, but also for the active cooperation of the Turkish leader with Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Iranian head Hassan Rouhani. The United States was in favor of the fact that the US and the EU are better for Turkey than Russia and Iran, although, based on the latest global trends, this item of international geopolitics looks extremely doubtful.

It is clear that, against the background of all the recent events in Brussels, worried about the fact that the Turks can really stop their participation in NATO: Ankara is friends with Moscow, the Russian Triumphs defend the Turkish sky, and Russian tourists rest in Antalya with great pleasure. So why should Turkey, in this case, pay serious membership dues for collective defense of the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, taking into account what the Alliance calls Russia the main enemy?

Moreover, if Turkey really comes out of this military-political bloc, then this will create a precedent that could be the starting point of the NATO disintegration process. In Europe, there was already talk of withdrawing from NATO such countries as France and Germany, about creating an alternative military alliance of the Eurozone, a single European army. And this no longer looks like the possibility of a single “flight” of one country from NATO, but as a trend denoting the beginning of the end of this aggressive military organization, which in the case of the attempted coup in Turkey is not ready to defend those in its composition.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 03
    +8
    As one expert said, I won’t be surprised if in 5 years there will be two NATO blocs. One around England and the USA, and the other around Germany and France.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 2 November 2018 18: 08
      +6
      There are prerequisites for Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, but whether they will be realized is the question. Let's hope that the stars converge so that this fact takes place.
      1. Arh
        Arh 2 November 2018 18: 40
        +2
        In general, I’m thinking so why not ourselves create a military bloc, for example with China, India, we can offer many countries ... We will immediately move NATO, relations with Europe will improve, and the United States will not spoil everything undermined, etc. !!!:
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 45
          +5
          Quote: Arh
          In general, I’m thinking so why not ourselves create a military bloc, for example with China, India, we can offer many countries ...

          But do you think BRICS and SCO where? China is already declaring military cooperation with us.
          1. Arh
            Arh 2 November 2018 18: 57
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Arh
            In general, I’m thinking so why not ourselves create a military bloc, for example with China, India, we can offer many countries ...

            But do you think BRICS and SCO where? China is already declaring military cooperation with us.

            BRICS, SCO by itself, and I write (say) about the military bloc !!!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 59
              +2
              Quote: Arh
              BRICS, SCO by itself, and I write (say) about the military bloc !!!

              So within the framework of the BRICS and the SCO this block will be created. Now we can already see the rapprochement in military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation. And BRICS will easily turn into a military bloc.
              1. Arh
                Arh 2 November 2018 19: 03
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: Arh
                BRICS, SCO by itself, and I write (say) about the military bloc !!!

                So within the framework of the BRICS and the SCO this block will be created. Now we can already see the rapprochement in military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation. And BRICS will easily turn into a military bloc.

                Let it turn, I do not mind !!! laughing good
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 2 November 2018 21: 16
                  +3
                  At the expense of Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO - as long as payments are being made to operate the Incirlik base, while the United States sells exclusive weapons to Turkey (F-35, for example), Turkey will be there.

                  But if she loses it ... No, she won’t. Not quite the same, the Pentagon is sitting.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 2 November 2018 23: 11
                +1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: Arh
                BRICS, SCO by itself, and I write (say) about the military bloc !!!

                So within the framework of the BRICS and the SCO this block will be created. Now we can already see the rapprochement in military cooperation between China and the Russian Federation. And BRICS will easily turn into a military bloc.

                BRICS is primarily an economic bloc. The military bloc will not allow him to outgrow the contradictions between India and China, as well as the fact that Brazil can exit BRICS in the near future due to the change of leader, which is focused on rapprochement with the United States. But Turkey may well take the place of Brazil. Given that the center of economic development is shifting to the Asia-Pacific region, Turkey may well decide to move in this direction, as In the EU dressing room, she defended for almost half a century, but never received an invitation. So the NATO bloc is becoming more of a burden for Turkey than a guarantee.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 November 2018 23: 02
          +3
          Quote: Arh
          In general, I’m thinking so why not ourselves create a military bloc, for example with China, India, we can offer many countries ... We will immediately move NATO, relations with Europe will improve, and the United States will not spoil everything undermined, etc. !!!:

          The United States both crap and will crap, they have such a policy. They cannot live otherwise. The state is parasitic in wars, which it also organizes.
        3. zyzx
          zyzx 3 November 2018 03: 41
          0
          Quote: Arh
          China, India

          Yes, these are the worst enemies.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 2 November 2018 20: 18
        0
        Turks will lose the Straits (Istanbul) for exiting control and kept in NATO
        1. Letun
          Letun 2 November 2018 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: antivirus
          Turks will lose the Straits (Istanbul) for exiting control and kept in NATO

          1) How will the Turks lose the straits if these straits are in Turkey?
          2) And when did we begin to write the straits with a capital letter, and Istanbul with a small? wassat
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 2 November 2018 21: 42
            0
            1st Straits and Turkey can change the owner, if the Turks change the last owner of the world
            2-to whom is more important, and more
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 3 November 2018 09: 23
        0
        [quote = Giant of thought] There are prerequisites for Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, but whether they will be realized is the question.[/ Quote]
        hi
        Everything will depend on what the "sultan" prefers - the interests of Turkey itself or the status of a vassal imposed by the United States. In the meantime, these interests diverge more and more. This is well illustrated by the situation in Syria.
      4. Examenatornick
        Examenatornick 3 November 2018 13: 00
        0
        name these prerequisites, even in the article they are not. Have you bought the complexes? or our tourists? Are you seriously?
      5. Normal ok
        Normal ok 3 November 2018 21: 23
        0
        Quote: Giant thought
        There are prerequisites for Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, but whether they will be realized is the question. Let's hope that the stars converge so that this fact takes place.

        Please list the "prerequisites". And then in the article, the trend is already taken from a one-time purchase. And in fact, the other day the United States and Turkey canceled the previously introduced mutual sanctions.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 2 November 2018 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      years through 5 there will be two NATO units.

      I forgot about the third, around Ukraine .. laughing Andrew, hi !
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 12
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        I forgot about the third, around Ukraine .. Andrey,!

        Victor, Friday you, friend. drinks
        Around Ukraine current Scythians and Ukrainians current ... Well, we are the Horde. wassat But seriously, the preconditions for a split in the NATO bloc, as well as the EU, are obvious. So two NATO blocs in five years is not such a fantasy.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 2 November 2018 18: 26
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          So two NATO blocs in five years is not such a fantasy.

          If the forecast comes true, then the Turks will be around Germany and France, too many of their fellow tribesmen in these countries. Remember what howl Erdogan raised after a famous dialogue between Frau and a Turkish girl. Ankara has someone to defend there. And if you take into account that the rating of the Turkish army at 8 place, then this is a pretty tidbit for the paddling pool. Well, you and the frog drinks , (I don’t know how anyone, but I already "trade" with beer, I fasted for a week ... laughing)
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            If the forecast comes true, then the Turks will be around Germany and France,

            I don’t think ... Erdogash himself will be. Give him the Turkish Sultanate, and not alliances with those who have already set him up.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 2 November 2018 18: 34
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Give him the Turkish Sultanate,

              Not..., No. finely you took, from Erdogash dreams about the revival of the Ottoman Empire wassat So to speak, a "gatherer of lands" of the Middle East tailoring, he has already taken care of security on the domestic front by replacing all opponents after an unsuccessful military coup wink
        2. Machito
          Machito 2 November 2018 18: 42
          +2
          One country will come out, NATO will crumble like a Warsaw Pact.
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 2 November 2018 21: 56
            0
            France was already leaving, nothing was falling apart. Although I wanted to)
            1. Ile ham
              Ile ham 2 November 2018 22: 36
              0
              At that time, US influence was very strong. Even de Gaulle was sacrificed. I think now the situation is somewhat different (I would like to believe).
    3. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 2 November 2018 18: 27
      0
      And one more - EAC belay . Around Eurasia
    4. Runoway
      Runoway 2 November 2018 19: 12
      0
      And what will the "Germany + France" bloc be armed with ?! + This will definitely be the collapse or split of the European Union and the 2nd bloc, with the already meager defense industrial complex (on the same Rafals and the French fleet, you can't go far / fly away) under US and British sanctions
    5. another RUSICH
      another RUSICH 2 November 2018 23: 59
      0
      There will be no European army, and frankly, the current situation is very good. God forbid to imagine again the revival of the German army!
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 3 November 2018 01: 25
        0
        There is nothing to be revived there, the Germans really lost their fighting spirit.
        1. another RUSICH
          another RUSICH 3 November 2018 07: 51
          0
          I would not be so sure.
          Revanchist sentiments are very strong in Germany. It is our happiness that they have a mess in Budeswehr and a woman for the Minister of Defense. The Germans know how to fight, and their character is all right. To revive in real combat power, while the opinion of Europeans on their account hinders them ... For now ...
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 4 November 2018 02: 01
            0
            They are not able to protect their women from rapists, and there are not so many revanchists who are ready to tear opponents personally. hi
            1. another RUSICH
              another RUSICH 4 November 2018 10: 43
              0
              Keyword: bye.
              Loosen the nuts, and not much will seem. I will not say that their ridge is stronger than ours, but the fact that the Germans have it is a historical fact
              WHILE they are still ashamed of the past, but there is already talk about "how much can you repent"?
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 4 November 2018 13: 13
                0
                Well, let's hope that it’s somehow embarrassing for the Germans. smile
    6. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 3 November 2018 00: 39
      0
      What are 2 blocks? Pipyrka to Europe has not grown (in the sense of $), even if it is sorted out with the Arabs. And NATO, it is America LLC and the adhering meat.
    7. rotfuks
      rotfuks 3 November 2018 00: 46
      0
      most likely there will be three NATO blocs. The third is Israel. No way without it.
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 2 November 2018 18: 10
    +5
    Why Turkey leave NATO. if her army is integrated into NATO.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 2 November 2018 18: 26
      +2
      What interests of Turkey can NATO protect, even if they don’t want to sell weapons? hi
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 29
      +5
      Quote: Conductor
      Why Turkey leave NATO. if her army is integrated into NATO.

      And the fact that Erdogan was stupidly wanted to bang, do you think he forgot about it?
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 2 November 2018 18: 41
        +4
        Is Erdogan an eternal Turk or something? For Turkey, military cooperation with NATO is more important than any one-time purchases of our equipment.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 2 November 2018 18: 43
          +1
          Quote: Conductor
          Is Erdogan an eternal Turk or something?

          Yeah ... you ask the Old Man, yeah ... that one is also eternal.
          Quote: Conductor
          For Turkey, military cooperation with NATO is more important than any one-time purchases of our equipment.

          And he buys ... in F-35 they took a nadis for medni ...
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 2 November 2018 20: 05
            +1
            I will conduct exercises close to the combat reflection put on f 35 forces of the division with 400 and then vice versa. Old Man))) he is like a louse. do not destroy.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 2 November 2018 23: 21
          0
          Quote: Conductor
          Is Erdogan an eternal Turk or something? For Turkey, military cooperation with NATO is more important than any one-time purchases of our equipment.

          How to say ...... Turkey has an unresolved territorial dispute with Greece and an emerging Kurdish problem. In both cases, the United States is involved in these cases. Considering that quite recently the mattresses were also soiled by the fact that they were involved in an attempted military coup with the physical elimination of Erdogan, Turkey has very big doubts about the need for "cooperation". Erdogan understands that today not so much Turkey needs NATO, how much NATO needs Turkey, and therefore he will try to squeeze his "buns" out of this alliance as much as possible, and then slam the door.
        3. rotfuks
          rotfuks 3 November 2018 00: 48
          0
          better yet, ask the Queen of England. She is not eternal either. But her grandchildren are already old. and she rules everything.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 2 November 2018 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: Conductor
      Why Turkey leave NATO.

      In order not to ask the owner behind the puddle what to eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner from what utensils and on what table.
      Quote: Conductor
      if her army is integrated into NATO.
      After the purchase of C-400, it is already partially integrated into the Russian military-industrial complex.
  3. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 2 November 2018 18: 24
    +1
    The actions of the United States are more and more like the story of the elk: "I keep drinking and drinking, but I'm getting worse and worse." wassat
  4. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 2 November 2018 18: 24
    +1
    Fantasy ... on what if Turkey is ours.

    But today, Trump made the news in Tuiter that an intense end is being prepared for the end of the trade war with China. Look at the foreign press. They spoke 2 hours with C and agreed something. The signing of the contract at the meeting G20 in Argentina.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 2 November 2018 19: 15
      +1
      Trump today made news in Thwitter that an intense end was being prepared for a trade war with China. Look at the foreign press.

      Everything can be. China has stopped the supply of liquefied gas from the United States, so Trump is working out back))
  5. Astronaut
    Astronaut 2 November 2018 18: 26
    0
    Zhirinovsky six months ago, after a trip to Erdogan, said that Turkey would soon leave NATO
  6. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 2 November 2018 18: 36
    +3
    Erdogan is not just us to lose touch with NATO. He needs to be there, even nominally, to ensure non-aggression against the country by the United States.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 November 2018 19: 38
      +1
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Erdogan is not just us to lose touch with NATO.

      Erdogan is not so stupid as to be content with secondary roles in NATO and prefer their main role in the Middle East. What will neither the USA nor Israel allow him ... And what will NATO protect him from? From Russia, which will supply (with great pleasure) the required weapons at a very good (non-dollar) payment?
  7. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 November 2018 18: 54
    0
    At all times they were enemies and will remain anyway, in NATO or not in NATO.
  8. Jerk
    Jerk 2 November 2018 19: 15
    0
    Amazing right? Especially considering the fact that on the basis of NATO in Turkey, the United States trained conspirators who tried to overthrow Erdogan.
    And this is only the beginning - Germany and France VERY VERY need to pay 4% of their budget directly to the USA so that the US substitutes them for missiles for this money - they won’t get the RSD to the states, but to Berlin - easily.
    NATO has actually collapsed - EU army is being created
  9. Yasir
    Yasir 2 November 2018 19: 29
    -1
    Recently, the White House has been waging economic or trade wars with dozens of countries around the world, including its historical partners from the Old World or the Middle East.

    Such was the plan in the election campaign!
    But with Israel everything will be more complicated .. These quiet people there already wield their own lobby .. hi
    But we still tear off the Turks from NATO .. ​​(they gave them the opportunity to kill the Kurds)))) .. Well, let the pipe go to Europe, let them turn the tap on .. hehe
  10. Kerensky
    Kerensky 2 November 2018 19: 45
    +2
    Source of OBS or personal opinion of the author? I see no reason to leave NATO for Turkey. Bought what you wanted? Not kicked out? Well, they will also buy what they want ...
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 2 November 2018 20: 09
      0
      The Greeks also bought our hovercraft, but they are not integrated into our military-industrial complex.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 2 November 2018 20: 15
      +4
      I read comments ... they rejoice like children ... Turkey is our ... Yeah, now. The Turk has been babbling for many years with joining the EU .. They will leave NATO ... the West will launch an otvetka to them .. in the form of any economic measures. .and especially with the accession to the EU, it was like they knew that you weren’t ours ..... They will toughen the visa regime with the Turks so that not a single Turk can enter Europe easily .. The Greek claims to the disputed islands will be supported, it will arise again a question with Northern Cyprus .. They will also connect Bulgaria, they like the Turks very much ... They will support the Kurds ... As they say there are methods against Kostya Saprykin ... Erdogan is not stupid, he sucks like two affectionate heifers ... And he will suck ... And at the same time play on the contradictions and confrontations between the West and Russia .. And then, how will he remove the American bases from his territory? .. It will cost him dearly ...
  11. NordUral
    NordUral 2 November 2018 20: 25
    +4
    All this is fortunetelling, and even that is not even coffee grounds.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 2 November 2018 23: 06
      +2
      Rather, Erdogan will be removed than Turkey will be let out of NATO.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 2 November 2018 20: 42
    +1
    Conversations, conversations, word for word stretches !!!
    I don’t want to listen to sales, because ..... we’ll see, wait, it’s not known what!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 2 November 2018 21: 43
    +1
    Erdogan is a sly fox. You stir up another hand at the Americans and calm down. Quitting NATO is a very serious step, Turkey simply can’t afford it, so this is just a noise for the media
  14. raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 2 November 2018 21: 47
    0
    There is no reason to be sad, we will not leave, but we will not sell our friendship with Russia, although some "diznazauers" here think that we are eternal enemies.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 2 November 2018 23: 36
      0
      Quote: raki-uzo
      There is no reason to be sad, we will not leave, but we will not sell our friendship with Russia, although some "diznazauers" here think that we are eternal enemies.

      ... said the Turks and made an air ambush for the unarmed Russian Su-24 ....
  15. zloijjet
    zloijjet 2 November 2018 22: 03
    0
    The ice has broken ...
  16. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 2 November 2018 23: 34
    0
    Moreover, if Turkey really leaves this military-political bloc, then this will create a precedent that could become the starting point of the NATO disintegration process.

    Does the author of the article believe this? Turkey will join the CSTO, perhaps ....
  17. earloop
    earloop 2 November 2018 23: 43
    +2
    It's time to write the words for a new song, like "Turkey withdrew from NATO."
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 November 2018 00: 33
    +1
    Erdogan's "Islamized" Turkey does not fit well into NATO.
    And there is nothing to worry about entry-exit: whoever wants to join NATO, who wants to-leave.
    As with the European Union. Military blocs, treaties were created and disintegrated ...
  19. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 November 2018 01: 55
    +1
    ... the Turks will not come out of Nata ... too much is tied to this bloc, and the Merikatos will not allow them to be simply thrown away ...
  20. zyzx
    zyzx 3 November 2018 03: 40
    +1
    They were enemies to us, were, are and will be.
  21. lopvlad
    lopvlad 3 November 2018 04: 52
    +1
    There has already been talk in Europe about the withdrawal of such countries as France and Germany from NATO


    I think everything at the level of conversations will remain so
  22. sleeve
    sleeve 3 November 2018 06: 32
    +1
    There certainly is. But not quickly if nothing happens. Nicely, the Sultan avoided the options for playing off with Iran and Russia. One word is despot. Shanezhki upecheskie from such unions, direct and explicit. They don't let Geyropu go to the backyards, and if they turn their backs (well, with some security techniques, of course), then here he is equal among equals (well, almost), and you can work with the Kurds problem, and the Syrians (and they will restore their potential, 5000 years of history That is the guarantee) and the Iranians will work more modestly on the "special front", but the Saudis with other "oil intelligence services" are just children compared to these bison. In the event of a dismount, the enemies will become "low-lovers" from the Balkans, visiting "Myrikansy" on several bases and ships, and in the rear of the multimillion-dollar countries, hardened in sanctions wars with hundreds of thousands of armed fighters, hardened in unsanctioned wars and the bottomless Russian market for cool and inexpensive weapons. Here one can dream not about a fabulous "integration", but a more useful and close reformatting, for example, the world energy market. The location of the Turks is such that in the event of a "transition" to another camp, they become a real bastion in a strategic place, and there will be an appropriate attitude. And we have the dough to "credit" such a project, besides, these investments are with return. I don't even know what else to write here. Wherever you stick, there is positive for the Seljuks. I'm afraid the "details" will fall on the book pulls. But there is one caveat. Such a fireplace from the Turkish side one way. Back the "funny guys" from NATO will accept on the condition of the elimination of sovereignty and the collapse of the economy. But in our warm family, sovereignty and power (any, including the cultural unity of the population) is the key to a confident position. They love negotiations in the east, here is the freedom in this format, given that the "local" guys do not have a cyclical 4-5 years (presidential-parliamentary terms) to make a decision and they can chat like we do with the Chinese (1971-2011 until border). Wow, let's turn around. Oh yes. Human rights .... Well, I don’t know, it seems that in the designated powers there is progress with them, albeit crooked, but it is. But in the opposite camp, Nazism is quietly blossoming in a "globalist" format.
  23. GibSoN
    GibSoN 3 November 2018 13: 25
    0
    Horror story for cheers? The US no longer made it ambiguous that in general this is NATO itself, they are no longer particularly interested .. And besides, they are tired of feeding. I think Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, at least for the US, most likely will even be on hand. Well, the rest .. Negro problems, the sheriff is of little interest.
    Here the whole point is that you can certainly get out of NATO, only the options are obvious! Or bend under the NATO, or engage in your own defense ... In other words, complete nonsense! the vast majority of countries are simply physically unable to provide themselves with a level of security adequate to possible threats! That is, to bend under someone, they will have to in any case. And here the question arises. Under whom did Turkey decide to bend and why? Well, then what is the benefit of this? It is obvious that the Russian Federation is trying to create an alternative pole of influence, hiding behind the support of China, which, in turn, attracts many .. But somehow it all keeps on snot .. In fact, now all the world's dances, with everything from all sides, go in a circle China. Which, in general, for all its capabilities, is itself critically dependent.
  24. Piramidon
    Piramidon 3 November 2018 14: 16
    +1
    Turkey may leave NATO soon?

    Quiet, damn it, do not scare. And suddenly it really is ... And there it will reach Germany. laughing