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Is the US missile defense system in Europe directed against Russia? In the US, they said yes

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American missile defense systems located in Europe on the territory of Poland and Romania are easily “transferred” from defensive to offensive weapons if there is a certain type of missile prohibited by the INF. This was stated by a former official of the US Defense Ministry Abraham Denmark, writes USNI News.


Is the US missile defense system in Europe directed against Russia? In the US, they said yes


Danmark, who is currently the head of the Asian direction at the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scientists, in particular, said that the conversion of Aegis Ashore objects in Poland and Romania from a defensive position against Iranian ballistic missiles to an offensive against Russia is "done very easily" and in combination with the existing sea-based and air-launched missiles, the Kremlin’s plans to defend against possible attacks from the European direction can be complicated. In his opinion, such a transformation is a direct threat to Russia and violates the INF Treaty. Denmark said that according to Moscow, such opportunities were the original plan of the United States in creating missile defense in Eastern Europe.

The DMC Treaty prohibits the United States from having ground-based cruise missiles that could be deployed at Aegis Ashore facilities.

Earlier in Russia, they said that the United States specifically accused Russia of violating the DRSD Treaty in order to withdraw from the treaty allegedly in response to these violations and deploy short-range and medium-range missiles in Europe.

In addition, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused Washington of initiating an arms race in order to achieve absolute US domination in the world.
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  1. Machete
    Machete 1 November 2018 18: 23
    +18
    Well, right. How much can a hypocrite be?
    It was necessary to say about it directly in the forehead. And it’s not against Russia, not against Russia. Vassalam's brains were powdered.
    We all understood right away.
    1. private person
      private person 1 November 2018 19: 27
      +4
      Vassalam's brains were powdered.
      The brains powdered Russia, and in our country they pretended to believe, because they couldn’t do anything in return (or maybe they didn’t). The question is what will be the adequate answer now? That our defense can oppose missile defense in Eastern Europe.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 1 November 2018 19: 36
        +8
        Quote: private person
        Vassalam's brains were powdered.
        The brains powdered Russia, and in our country they pretended to believe, because they couldn’t do anything in return (or maybe they didn’t). The question is what will be the adequate answer now? That our defense can oppose missile defense in Eastern Europe.

        Do you know what ours did or did not do? I doubt that you would be brought up to date.
        1. private person
          private person 1 November 2018 20: 24
          +1
          In addition, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused Washington of initiating an arms race in order to achieve absolute US domination in the world.
          So here's the answer to what ours did. Russia only threw Iskanders to Kaliningrad, and then all of Europe reared up.
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 2 November 2018 03: 35
            -3
            In addition, the Russian Foreign Ministry accused Washington of initiating an arms race in order to achieve absolute US domination in the world.

            Quote: private person
            here is the answer to what ours did.


            On the fence is also written.

            I once looked out of curiosity. There is nothing except firewood.

            And the question is:

            Quote: neri73-r
            Do you know what ours did or did not do?


            Remained not disclosed.

            hi
      2. Dysindich
        Dysindich 1 November 2018 20: 31
        +7
        Do not worry so much, comrade private person, they did the appropriate authorities, the corresponding case, and what kind of species we did - the tenth case. And the answer will be, simple and hard, like a sickle and a hammer. Everything has its time. (especially since the effectiveness of their missile defense differs significantly from their advertising slogans, and therefore they have nothing to frighten us with, apart from bloated military budgets)
        1. private person
          private person 1 November 2018 21: 08
          +2
          Yes, I don’t worry a bit, it’s a shame for the state.
          1. poquello
            poquello 1 November 2018 22: 14
            +2
            Quote: private person
            Yes, I don’t worry a bit, it’s a shame for the state.

            and what a shame? as I understand it, our option was calculated even at the stage of placing their canoes
      3. Machete
        Machete 1 November 2018 20: 47
        +2
        Only make missile defense ineffective. Placement can not be prevented.
      4. ochakow703
        ochakow703 2 November 2018 01: 41
        +4
        A very strange opinion. But even the deployment of Iskander in the Kaliningrad region and the annexation of Crimea, let me tell you, is probably from the series of "doing something."
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 1 November 2018 19: 57
      +29
      Today is a memorable date, November 1, 1950, the first victory in the skies of Korea in the first-ever air battle on jet aircraft, Lieutenant Khominich on the MiG-15 shot down an American F-80 fighter. In Korea, 1197 enemy aircraft were shot down by ours.
      1. aiden
        aiden 2 November 2018 02: 19
        +9
        Let me add an illustration. Lieutenant Khominich, who brought down this evil spirits, well, a photo of the moment of the downing
    3. another RUSICH
      another RUSICH 1 November 2018 23: 24
      -1
      Ndyk ... The Secret of Polischanel.
      But it’s a pity that they admitted.
      It immediately became uninteresting: after all, how? They pretended not to be priviv, and we pretended to believe. And now? Ugh! ....)
  2. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 1 November 2018 18: 26
    +6
    Open secret.
  3. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 1 November 2018 18: 29
    +7
    Somewhat unexpectedly to hear this, from not "former")))
    Usually, their rhetoric is "defensive" in nature: they terrorized us, the poor, these monsters are Russian)))
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 1 November 2018 18: 35
    +11
    Earlier in Russia, it was stated that the United States specifically accused Russia of violating the DRSD Treaty to allegedly in response to these violations, withdraw from the treaty and deploy short- and medium-range missiles in Europe.

    Allegedly? Re-programing ground-mounted launchers for axes takes 5-10 minutes. And you can put in them not missiles, but axes. Against whom are such systems and radars placed around the Russian Federation? Against popuars?
    1. Aibolit
      Aibolit 1 November 2018 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Re-programing ground-mounted launchers for axes takes 5-10 minutes.

      Oh well.
      Windows 10: Clean install takes about 20 minutes, update ~ 20 - 60 minutes, combing from 30 minutes /. The number of lines of machine code (Source Lines of Code - SLOC) is about 50 million.
      merge part of the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System (Aegis Ashore)
      install part of Aegis Combat System (Harpoon weapons system + Navigation Systems)
      HZ how many there, from 500 000 SLOS it is only real-time Java code and from 200 000 only Monolithic
      Shared Memory Hosted by Proprietary SMP Processors
      ISU Aegis block diagram

      Different
      Command and Decision (C&D) Network - command and control and decision support network


      Operational Readiness Test System (ORTS) - a system for checking the functioning and combat readiness
      Fire Control System (FCS) - fire control system

      There used to be Baseline 9C1 / 5.0 standard 32-bit AN / UYK-43 servers (CMS-2 and Ada)

      after phase 7, everything is simpler (C ++ and Java) and the equipment is different


      "ground launchers" do not need to be "reprogrammed"
      It is necessary (and a lot of time from 40 minutes to 2 hours) to "fill" the flight task into Axes

      yes and Launch Modular Enclosure
      not enough of them, except to scare us.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 1 November 2018 19: 38
        +1
        Well, plus bring axes and put in holes.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 1 November 2018 20: 01
        +3
        Yes, everything at once is imprisoned under winged ones, the rest is fabulous for Western Europeans.
      3. Sneaky Urus
        Sneaky Urus 1 November 2018 20: 07
        +4
        "Windows 10: Clean install takes about 20 minutes, update ~ 20 - 60 minutes, combing from 30 minutes"

        Windows is updated for so long for two reasons:
        1. Nowadays, programmers with handshake are in fashion.
        2. During the update, all the information from our computers is downloaded to Microsoft servers, and from there, guess for yourself to whom.
      4. Wedmak
        Wedmak 1 November 2018 20: 16
        +10
        Windows 10: Clean install takes about 20 minutes, update ~ 20 - 60 minutes, combing from 30 minutes

        Windows is a multi-tasking system designed for the mass user with hundreds of megabytes of only beautiful things. It is not correct to compare it with military software running on the miserable hundreds of MHz and performing only strictly limited operations.
        The number of lines of machine code (Source Lines of Code - SLOC) is about 50 million.

        First, it translates to "number of lines of source code". The source code is C, C #, for sure assembler inserts. Secondly, there are essentially no lines of machine code, it is a continuous chain of commands and data.
        Even if you structure it somehow, the number of lines will be completely different and differ by orders of magnitude.
        this is only real -time java code

        It’s funny. Especially with regard to the military. I really do not particularly follow the development of Java, but it is difficult to believe in writing real-time systems for military purposes on it. Industry has gone anywhere. Rather, Java is used to display visual information.
        There used to be Baseline 9C1 / 5.0 standard 32-bit servers

        Server - this is for centralized data processing. Often very heterogeneous. Including for graphical presentation of data. Military systems are almost always focused on one task, although it can be very broad. The main thing is reliability. Therefore, it’s unlikely that anyone will be uploading firmware to working devices. Rather, they will connect the appropriate control and processing units designed to launch the axes. It is unlikely that it will take more than a few hours with all the checks. And we will not know about it, because work will be done inside the building. And since the launchers are essentially removed from the destroyers, I have no doubt about the presence of such blocks in a special safe, hidden in the basement of the building.

        We bring axes at night, quietly insert into the cells - no one saw anything. Two dozen, of course, will not do the weather militarily, but for provocation they’ll just do just fine.
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 1 November 2018 22: 44
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Windows is a multi-tasking system,

          ABMD operation system is a multi-user, multitasking, real-time with "spaced" parallel computing. Early versions (up to phase 7), the core is written in Ada and (a little bit in CMS-2).
          Now HZ.
          But judging by (Exokernel: An Operating System Architecture for Application-Level Resource Management
          Dawson R. Engler, M. Frans Kaashoek, and James O'Toole Jr. MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
          Cambridge, MA 02139, USA) I can assume there that it is based on an "exonuclear operating system"
          windows 10 just resting (for these specific tasks ABMD.
          Especially on the involved iron



          Ancient AN / UYK-43 had (has) 64 I / O channels
          It is not correct to compare it with military software running on the miserable hundreds of MHz

          what?
          ABMD at "pathetic 100Mnz"?
          You probably confuse with ours ..
          First, translate

          yes SLOS of the source, it is important for salary
          Quote: Wedmak
          The source code is C, C #, probably insertion of assembler.

          Yes you? Only C and C #?
          and this
          000100 IDENTIFICATION DIVISION.
          000200 PROGRAM-ID. HELLOWORLD.
          000300
          000400*
          000500 ENVIRONMENT DIVISION.
          000600 CONFIGURATION SECTION.
          000700 SOURCE-COMPUTER. RM-COBOL.
          000800 OBJECT-COMPUTER. RM COBOL.
          000900
          001000 DATA DIVISION.
          001100 FILE SECTION.
          001200
          100000 PROCEDURE DIVISION.
          100100
          100200 MAIN-LOGIC SECTION.
          100300 BEGIN.
          100400 DISPLAY "" LINE 1 POSITION 1 ERASE EOS.
          100500 DISPLAY "Hello world!" LINE 15 POSITION 10.
          100600 STOP RUN.
          100700 MAIN-LOGIC-EXIT.
          100800 EXIT.
          not stol?
          Quote: Wedmak
          Secondly

          It's better to add a mentoring "in the third" here, because I didn't understand anything ...
          Quote: Wedmak
          It’s funny. Especially with regard to the military.

          Come on?
          https://www.indeed.com/q-Aegis-Bmd-Integration-Engineer-jobs.html?vjk=c8a3b47f84d55c81
          Preferred skills:

          Experience with data visualization tools
          Experience programming in one or more of Java, C ++, javascript, and Python
          Experience with a requirements tracking system
          System integration and test experience for complex defense systems (preferably Aegis BMD)
          Modeling and simulation (M&S) experience for complex defense systems (preferably Aegis BMD)
          System analysis experience for complex defense systems (preferably Aegis BMD)
          Competencies:
          +
          Understanding the Role of Real-Time Java
          in Aegis Warship Modernization
          Dr. Kelvin Nilsen, Chief Technology Officer Java, Atego Systems

          From phase 7, Ada and CMS-2 are abandoned, phase 10 is all in C ++ and Java
          Quote: Wedmak
          Server - this is for centralized data processing.

          and?
          AEGIS Training and Readiness Center's Student of the Month, AN / UYK-43 server (photo cited)
      5. poquello
        poquello 1 November 2018 22: 20
        +3
        Quote: Aibolit
        Windows 10: Clean installation takes about 20 minutes

        ndya, argument, and Linux from a flash drive immediately works
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 2 November 2018 01: 29
          -1
          Quote: poquello
          ndya, argument, and Linux from a flash drive immediately works

          ndyayaya.
          Straight right away?
          1.On new computers, the UEFI bootloader is used, which will not allow you to boot any system other than Windows.
          To fix this, go to your computer’s BIOS settings and disable the Secure Boot option. Then reboot. Done, now you can download and install other systems near your Windows.

          2. Reboot and select the USB flash drive or Linux CD as bootable media.
          3.Start Linux installation

          An example of a Ubuntu distribution, but the installation processes of Mint, openSUSE, Fedora, Debian, Manjaro, and most other distributions are almost identical.
          4.Size the disk
          Select the Ext4 file system and mount point.
          5. Further variations
          -manual
          -auto
          If you have not created a separate disk space for Linux, then you can try to select "Install next to Windows."

          and so on and so forth.
          and you write nonsense "works right from the flash drive"
          By default, the Ubuntu installer offers the EXT4 journaled file system for the data partitions created.
          In addition, the bootloader (GRUB) by default is placed on the first disk in the system, as a rule, it is the computer’s built-in HDD.
          The Ubuntu installer, quite persistently, asks to create a swap partition (if you do not create it, you will receive a message and you will have to confirm your desire to install the system without a swap partition).
          Accepting these defaults, we immediately create two problems.
          Partitions with a file system are created on the USB flash drive, which during operation will carry out a large number of entries on the USB flash drive (which will reduce its lifetime). This also applies to EXT4 partitions and swap partitions.
          The bootloader will install so that without a flash drive your computer will not be able to boot.

          and such crap ("right from the flash drive works" Are you trying to promote for critical defense systems?
          1. ghby
            ghby 2 November 2018 07: 45
            +2
            Quote: Aibolit
            and such crap ("works right from the flash drive"

            To work in Linux, you can not install it on a machine. Moreover, there are distributions that live only in RAM, I put on the old antediluvian netbook (PuppyRus), so as not to spoil the SD card with constant access and writing down all kinds of junk. And yes it starts, Alga quickly unloaded into RAM. And secondly, who told you that they will reinstall the system? Rather, the functionality is immediately sewn.
            1. Aibolit
              Aibolit 2 November 2018 14: 06
              0
              Quote: ghby
              To work in Linux, you can not install it on a machine.

              Of course you can, only ...
              what can you "work" with? You will not "work" on the missile defense / aegis Ashore topic at Asus eeePC, I hope?
              Yes, and not everything is so simple with "working from a flash drive", you need a lot, like

              mount -o remount, noatime, commit = 120 /
              kern. * - / var / log / kern.log
              in / etc / default / syslogd you need SYSLOGD = "- m 0"
              still need to configure kernel parameters using your own boot script
              make it executable
              chmod a + x /etc/init.d/kernel-params
              check and so on and so
              and then ("working from a flash drive") you get a lack of memory, which can (with a high probability) start a "process killer" in the kernel ...

              note:
              2009 Linux Kernel 2.6.32 12 606 910 (Number of lines of code in the Linux kernel)
              Quote: ghby
              And secondly, who told you that they will reinstall the system? Rather, the functionality is immediately sewn.

              no.
              I showed on C & D (Command and Decision (C&D) Network - a network of combat control and decision support) other colored "circles"

              from $ 60 the "upgrade" costs per ship.
              Why unnecessary on ashore, and the resource is limited + 2 in 1 (vinaigrette) will complicate the work, reduce the stability of the system.
              Yes, and it’s stupid from the hospital to beat the CRBD
          2. poquello
            poquello 2 November 2018 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Aibolit
            and you write nonsense "works right from the flash drive"

            gee, gee, have fun, can eat something? If for you starting a system from a flash drive is a miracle, then installing a group of system files on removable media is finally a taboo))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )), I’ll try to explain a little easier - the media disk (of the movie) clings and loads into the system and works further with high performance, nothing prevents reading the inertial card in approximately this way, replacing the sensor driver is solved by direct copying to the OP because it is done by developers and not by hackers and All location parameters and initialization points are known.
            1. Aibolit
              Aibolit 2 November 2018 14: 24
              0
              Quote: poquello
              can eat something?

              WHAT FOR? (eat).
              What will it change?
              Quote: poquello
              If for you starting a system from a flash drive is a miracle

              no not a miracle
              to save the flash drive, there is a lot to do (mount -o remount, noatime, commit = 120 /)
              And fighters from a "flash drive" will not run ABMD OS. It's just silly
              Quote: poquello
              I’ll try to explain a little easier - the media disc (film) clings and loads into the system and works further with high performance

              I did not understand anything, why "this"?
              Quote: poquello
              an inertial card in approximately this way, the replacement of the sensor driver is solved by direct copying to the OP

              belay
              what is the "inertial map" and what is the "sensor driver"? Why copy them directly into the OP (operating system)?
              -> some senseless set of words you have ..
              primary information sensors combined in an inertial measuring unit located on the product. OP and where?

              What "drivers" are you going to replace in the CIUS operating system?
              1. poquello
                poquello 2 November 2018 16: 01
                0
                Quote: Aibolit
                WHAT FOR? (eat)

                more useful lesson
                Quote: Aibolit
                to save a flash drive

                Of all the body movements that you described earlier in the post, you just need to turn off the efi in the BIOS, and I don’t remember if the hornbeam with the efi seems to work, everything else has been done in scripts for a long time
                Quote: Aibolit
                what "sensor driver"?

                drivers work with hardware and their replacement "on the fly" is the most difficult, maybe privileges, process, but quite realizable, you instead of food) tell how long the program changes in the product
                Quote: Aibolit
                20 minutes, update ~ 20 - 60 minutes, "combing" from 30 minutes

                AI Windows (Makos, Linux, etc.) the system is universal, and the rocket is a specific product, well, like a phone’s firmware, it’s only more specific because the OS does not need to install applications at the request of the user
      6. novel66
        novel66 1 November 2018 23: 23
        -1
        Well, someone here wrote that there are no apples under the axes. and then the meaning in them?
  5. Vadim851
    Vadim851 1 November 2018 18: 38
    0
    On the one hand, 24 axes will not do weather, this is half the standard BC of one Burke. But all of a sudden the SM-3s themselves, especially 2A, are not so defensive, and the rocket there was a lot of good energy performance, which is probably why there are so many worries. The Americans had the ArcLight project, which provided for the creation of shock weapons based on the Standard SAM family.
    1. private person
      private person 1 November 2018 19: 30
      +4
      On the one hand, 24 weather axes will not do
      Especially when you know that they will not fall into your yard.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 1 November 2018 19: 40
        +2
        Quote: private person
        On the one hand, 24 weather axes will not do
        Especially when you know that they will not fall into your yard.

        The ax is subsonic and is not a problem with a small number, but if something new comes up and hyper, then yes, the problem.
        1. Vadim851
          Vadim851 1 November 2018 20: 00
          0
          That's right, and in the MK-41 there is much that can fit even more so with modern technologies.
        2. private person
          private person 1 November 2018 20: 18
          0
          Do you really believe that in the event of which all the axes will be knocked back on the fly? Yes, and not the fact that there is nothing more substantial.
      2. Vadim851
        Vadim851 1 November 2018 20: 45
        0
        It will not do not in terms of harm, but cheaper to build Burke under 96 axes, although they load 60 maximum, than specially for 24 special objects.
  6. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 1 November 2018 18: 42
    -2
    I’m not bloodthirsty, but on these objects I need to strike a tactical nuclear weapon right now, NATO and the USA will understand everything correctly, and they won’t rock. They are only heroes in words, before their first corpses, because the Russian soldier has long been able to fight forgotten how.
    1. Vadim851
      Vadim851 1 November 2018 18: 50
      +6
      Well, you got excited, these high-tech objects are very vulnerable, getting the usual warhead of the same Iskander will be critical, nuclear weapons in this case are redundant
      1. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 1 November 2018 18: 56
        +1
        Excuse me, but it’s necessary ...
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Harry.km
        Harry.km 1 November 2018 21: 45
        +4
        Quote: Vadim851
        Well, you got excited, these high-tech objects are very vulnerable, getting the usual warhead of the same Iskander will be critical, nuclear weapons in this case are redundant

        If you scare, then you need to make yourself scared ... and in this case, it doesn't matter what the "frightening" strike of the SBS or an ordinary warhead will be, from the point of view that we immediately become aggressors. But potential partners will be afraid in different ways. In general, in any case, the blow should be with a clear excess of the required force. Not necessarily nuclear weapons, enough, for example, something thermobaric, so that there is no stone left on stone. And this is not bloodlust. It's just that sometimes you have to scare so scare that it would penetrate all those interested. Then it will save many more lives
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 2 November 2018 03: 46
          +3
          Quote: Harry.km
          to frighten, it is necessary so that we would become scared


          Shandarahnut in Poland and Romania so that in Vladivostok the windows rattled.

          hi
          1. Harry.km
            Harry.km 2 November 2018 05: 31
            0
            Quote: Vanek
            Quote: Harry.km
            to frighten, it is necessary so that we would become scared


            Shandarahnut in Poland and Romania so that in Vladivostok the windows rattled.

            hi

            I suggest changing the name of the city to Washington.
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 2 November 2018 05: 34
              +2
              Quote: Harry.km
              I suggest changing the name of the city to Washington.


              Then Poland and Romania will NOT be found at all on the map.
    2. KOCMOC
      KOCMOC 1 November 2018 19: 02
      +2
      Quote: ANCIENT
      I’m not bloodthirsty, but on these objects I need to strike a tactical nuclear weapon right now, NATO and the United States will understand everything right

      It’s too early, not all Boreas and Ash-trees left the slipways and Sarmat is not ready what , and so far the sense with so many of these missiles, in any variation, like with a goat of milk, is more like wiring gullible Eastern European abarigens fool and blackmail western angry , like for someone, whether it’s defense, or the target, and of course strained Russia, well, Russian diplomats pretended to be straining laughing hedgehogs cho rockets in the usa in the opposite direction will fly.
    3. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 1 November 2018 20: 27
      0
      these pro targets need to be hit right now with tactical nuclear weapons

      Do you strike right off the couch or will you go into the troops yourself?
      1. mvg
        mvg 1 November 2018 21: 09
        0
        go to the troops yourself

        0,5 ... 0,7 ... and immediately to the troops .. Only the morning will be difficult.
  7. Vadim851
    Vadim851 1 November 2018 18: 53
    +2
    And I’m ready to bet on anything - Devessela is not the axes in the installations - this is absurd. At the right time, it’s much easier to work with Burke or Ticonderoga from the Black Sea.
  8. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 November 2018 18: 54
    +7
    Launchers at missile defense bases in Romania and Poland will easily fit a strategic land-based Tomahawk. This here, as they say, do not go to the grandmother. This is how land-based CDs were banned by the INF Treaty. Its characteristics and capabilities need no introduction.
    Much more serious is the prospect of the transformation of the Standard-3 interceptor missiles into medium-range ballistic missiles. The latest modifications have very good characteristics in terms of range and interception height. It is in this that the dog is buried that by replacing the warhead and reprogramming the flight programs of the onboard computer of the rocket, it can be used as an RSD to destroy ground targets.
    Not the fact that the special warhead from the "Tomahawk" does not fit her. So everything is very serious ...
    Americans will not and do not want to reinvent the wheel twice. The positional areas of medium-range missiles and their launch platforms near the Russian borders have already been deployed.
    The entire European part of Russia will be under the gun.
    1. stalki
      stalki 1 November 2018 19: 00
      +7
      Already at gunpoint, everything else is legal chatter. I think ours is already in the know and getting ready.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 1 November 2018 19: 15
        +4
        But is it worth keeping sight of those miserable 24 missiles at an expensive base?

        1) The Americans worked out the technology of installing naval MK41 on concrete bases. In the future, they can make purely shock bases in such a way - on as many rockets as they like. At the same time, what ate about 85% of the budget of the facility in Romania is simply not required for such a base.

        2) Sense to keep such a base under the gun? What is the point? The team passes through the channel - at the base, the keys are rotated and according to the scenario (list of goals and flight tasks) that the missiles arrived, they leave. After 2-3 minutes, the base is empty and ready for the last mission - to distract the enemy with the maximum return gifts.

        3) The exit from the DMDRS will allow the return of the American Iskander-K - which was a serial product on 80 rockets in the 4's. This is a different level of threat. Well, and BDSD. Work is going on there - it’s just that without a trump card the administrations do not drown the agreement so purposefully (the first progress was in the 2-11 years, then it was tough in the 12-14-15 and now there’s an exit).
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 2 November 2018 01: 45
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          1) The Americans worked out the technology of installing naval MK41 on concrete foundations.

          there is no special technology ("installation").
          they always "test" it first on earth,
          like the Mk 26 (Mark 26)
          Quote: donavi49
          In the future, they can make purely shock bases in such a way - on as many rockets as they like.

          what's the point?

          for KLNB GLCM (BGM-109G) and TEL (Transporter / Erector / Launcher) DO NOT NEED AN / SPY-1, AT ALL

          she needs shelter
          Quote: donavi49
          The exit from the DMDRS will allow the return of the American Iskander-K -

          it’s preferable for them to return Pershing -2 (or rather, reincarnation No. 3 already), and he is in MK 41, well, not like ne vlezit
  9. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 November 2018 18: 58
    0
    Quote: Vadim851
    On the one hand, 24 axes will not do weather, this is half the standard BC of one Burke. But all of a sudden the SM-3s themselves, especially 2A, are not so defensive, and the rocket there was a lot of good energy performance, which is probably why there are so many worries. The Americans had the ArcLight project, which provided for the creation of shock weapons based on the Standard SAM family.

    Possibilities for the use of Standard-3 interceptors as surface-to-surface missiles were laid down at the stage of their design and testing. The Pershing-2 had a very high hitting accuracy thanks to a mini-radar and an on-board computer with a map of the area where warheads fell.
    And in modern "Standard" rockets using GPS the accuracy will be even higher than that of "Pershing-2" without any satellite navigation.
    1. Avior
      Avior 2 November 2018 00: 14
      0
      there was nothing like ballistic cm-3 can not be used.
    2. asv363
      asv363 2 November 2018 03: 30
      +1
      Quote: Osipov9391
      And in modern "Standard" rockets using GPS the accuracy will be even higher than that of "Pershing-2" without any satellite navigation.

      What then do you think is GPS?
  10. 123456789
    123456789 1 November 2018 19: 08
    0
    Is the US missile defense system in Europe directed against Russia?

    The breakthrough achievements of the military-industrial complex: hypersonic dagger, avant-garde, further down the list of GDP from March 1, the US missile defense was reset ... against whoever it was directed.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 1 November 2018 19: 36
      +2
      Quote: 123456789
      Breakthrough achievements of the military-industrial complex

      Achievements, whatever they may be, by themselves do not nullify anything. Zero "hypersonic Dagger, Vanguard, further on the list of VVP", standing on alert and people ready to use them.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 1 November 2018 19: 20
    +3
    Passive defense, sales are very good, this is the way to lose. Today and tomorrow our only shield is powerful vigorous forces, i.e. imminent blow of retaliation against any aggressor, and what will happen the day after tomorrow?
  12. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 November 2018 19: 33
    0
    And what is characteristic, do not Romania and Poland really realize the consequences of such "cooperation" with the overseas owner? Or like the prisoners: you will die today, and I will die tomorrow?
    1. prodi
      prodi 2 November 2018 13: 09
      0
      apparently, it would have cost them "very transparently" to hint that a preventive (nuclear!) strike on these bases, due to "our extreme concern", is considered quite appropriate
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 1 November 2018 19: 43
    +2
    Well, they finally spoke out, and how many years their brains were powdered by themselves and people.
    1. japs
      japs 1 November 2018 20: 09
      +2
      Dear Alexander, Mr. Denmark, a former military official, told the truth according to the custom of the "former".
      Tomorrow there will be an explanation from the Mattress State Department that, they say, Mr. Denmark was "interpreted" incorrectly. And Mr. Denmark himself will declare that he was misunderstood. Although, on the other hand, the State Department never blushes when it lies.
  14. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 November 2018 19: 56
    +6
    The Russian diplomatic corps must constantly remind (in those countries where missile defense systems are deployed) what will happen to the territories of these states 10 minutes after the first missile flies towards Russia: What temperature will be at the epicenter of the explosion, what force the shock wave will be and in what radius "nothing" will remain, how many seconds the artificial sun will shine and what will happen to those who will sunbathe under it ...
    And that is a strange picture. Bandits are pounding at the door to people, and "good neighbors" willingly give them sledgehammers and crowbars, and even strive to help personally ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 November 2018 20: 26
      0
      and the "good neighbors" willingly serve them with sledgehammers and crowbars, and even strive to help them personally ..

      Good neighbors are very dependent on bandits. And in secret they have the idea that for the third time, with the help of technology and their striped brother, they will succeed. There are only talkers and rogues in EU politics, for now it is hoped that even sober and history-conscious people remain in the army.
  15. morpogr
    morpogr 1 November 2018 20: 07
    +1
    Lying further makes no sense? It can be seen soon a new tale will be voiced about their mission.
  16. kefan
    kefan 1 November 2018 20: 10
    0
    Yes, this, in principle, and so everything was clear, nothing new.
  17. Russian
    Russian 1 November 2018 20: 32
    -6
    Two dozen missiles can threaten Russia ?? Nonsense. Tomahawks fly slowly and they can be brought down quite well. 20-30 Tomahawks will not be able to threaten Russia, especially since hundreds of intercontinental missiles will be launched in response.
    And to remake SM-3 for ballistics is generally nonsense. The missile is 30 cm in diameter and weighs 1.5-2 tons. What head will she throw where: the size of a melon or something ??? Pershing 2 was three times thicker, he really could launch a warhead.
    This means that the warhead will be extremely low-power and will only infuriate the enemy. And in response, hundreds of ICBMs will fly again.

    So the arguments of Russia are simply stupid, but the real reason seems to be the usual envy and illiteracy of the leadership.
    1. svp67
      svp67 1 November 2018 21: 27
      +5
      Quote: Russkiy
      So the arguments of Russia are simply stupid, but the real reason seems to be the usual envy and illiteracy of the leadership.

      Ah, well done. He did it, so did it .... URA !!!!!! Atu them.
      But seriously, you do not seem to understand the essence of the matter, but try to judge.
      What is the essence of the agreement concluded by Gorbachev and Reagan? The fact that the DVUM, at that time, the most powerful countries, was prohibited from designing and creating ground-based combat missiles with a flight range of over 500 km and up to 5000 km. But he did not prohibit the creation and launch into production of such sea and air-based missiles. And very quickly the Americans compensated for their destroyed "Pershing", "Tomahawks", both airborne and especially sea-based. Which are launched from the universal launcher Mk 41 (Mark 41 Vertical Launching System). This CD has a firing range of 550 to 2500 km, depending on the modification. And now it is these universal launchers that appear on the positions of NATO missile defense missiles, that is, no one can guarantee that these containers cannot contain GROUND-BASED Tomahawks.
      So, what are the claims to our leadership?
    2. mvg
      mvg 1 November 2018 22: 15
      +2
      What head will she throw where: the size of a melon or something ???

      The special warhead is "shoved" into a 152 mm artillery shell ... and a 203 mm shell. From 0,3 to 2 kn. And no one is enough .. Minus the power plant or the S-400 division, along with shells
  18. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 1 November 2018 20: 50
    0
    Q.E.D! Although everyone understood everything perfectly from the very beginning!
  19. Vadim851
    Vadim851 1 November 2018 20: 50
    +2
    Quote: Russkiy

    And to remake SM-3 for ballistics is generally nonsense. The missile is 30 cm in diameter and weighs 1.5-2 tons. What head will she throw where: the size of a melon or something ??? Pershing 2 was three times thicker, he really could launch a warhead.
    This means that the warhead will be extremely low-power and will only infuriate the enemy.

    Now the main thing is not power but accuracy. Even a 1ct warhead with a CVO of about a meter can do a lot of trouble when it gets to the right place, and with modern technologies, such a warhead can easily fit in the SM-3 head
    1. Avior
      Avior 1 November 2018 22: 07
      -2
      no, it does not fit.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 1 November 2018 23: 57
        +2
        ⦁ 152-mm howitzer artillery shell 3BV3 - designed for firing from artillery systems - 152-mm howitzers: ML-20, D-20 and self-propelled howitzers 2C3 and SAU 2S19. (NOTE: all firing took place only from the D-20);

        ⦁ 152 mm cannon artillery shell 3BV6 - designed for firing from artillery systems - 152 mm 2A36 and 2C5 self-propelled guns (NOTE: there has never been a shot);
        1. Avior
          Avior 2 November 2018 00: 09
          0
          3BV3- range of 17 km, analogue in range of-32, weight 45 kg.
          the weight of the rod in the third step cm-3 is much less
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 2 November 2018 18: 20
            0
            To strike on the ground, maintaining a high speed in the upper part of the trajectory is not necessary, which means that the carried weight can be increased.
            In 1965, the USSR adopted 152-mm nuclear ammunition ZBV3 (1 CT in TNT equivalent, weight 56 ​​kg).
            P.S. Minus is not from me, I rarely minus, only for special "merits". hi
            1. Avior
              Avior 2 November 2018 18: 45
              0
              how to increase it, it will not rise up. anyway, in the third stage you will not leave only a charge, the missile is not ballistic.
              and why is it necessary, it’s easier to develop a ballistic one under MK41.
              and about the minuses, I suggested limiting the number so that really stupid or, conversely, outstanding posts were kept.
  20. san4es
    san4es 1 November 2018 21: 22
    +2
    ... transforming Aegis Ashore objects ...
    Ground Aegis Ashore, as part of a phased adaptive approach (PAA), will use the same components as on board the new Aegis BMD Navy destroyers.
  21. Bellerophon
    Bellerophon 1 November 2018 21: 32
    +1
    Pleased Adequacy of our leadership. Fifteen years ago, FULLY evaluated the vector of development of relations with the West
  22. zloijjet
    zloijjet 1 November 2018 21: 39
    0
    Sneaking on soft paws to our borders, parasites.
  23. varakin_54
    varakin_54 1 November 2018 22: 02
    +3
    A new American ballistic missile is being prepared for launch. Two crows are sitting on a tree near the launch pad.
    - Take off! - says one.
    - Do not take off! - says another.
    A launch occurs and the rocket explodes.
    - You got it!
    - Serving the Soviet Union!
  24. Avior
    Avior 1 November 2018 22: 06
    0
    It’s ridiculous and stupid to arm them with Tomahawks, the MK41 installation is cheap, expensive radar, but it is not needed for the Tomahawks.
    easier to put separately mk41
  25. mvg
    mvg 1 November 2018 22: 12
    +4
    Quote: Osipov9391
    And in modern "Standard" rockets using GPS the accuracy will be even higher than that of "Pershing-2" without any satellite navigation.

    An interesting phrase ... can you hear the translation?
  26. razved
    razved 1 November 2018 22: 13
    +1
    Is the US missile defense system in Europe directed against Russia? In the US, they said yes

    Well, finally ... otherwise they hung up all the noodles and dismissed our "unfounded suspicions" ... The answer is for the leadership of Russia. I would like to hope that there is something to answer, and so that they do not want to "play with toys"!
  27. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 November 2018 23: 33
    -1
    Quote: mvg
    Quote: Osipov9391
    And in modern "Standard" rockets using GPS the accuracy will be even higher than that of "Pershing-2" without any satellite navigation.

    An interesting phrase ... can you hear the translation?

    In the presence of GPS on the rocket "Standard-3" converted into an RSD, there will be a CEP within 10-20 meters, no more.
    There was no satellite navigation on the Pershing-2, but due to the radar with mapping the terrain and comparing the information with the on-board computer memory (where the area of ​​the charge hit), the CEP was 30-50 meters. This is the mid-80s.
    With the current electronics on the Standard-3 rocket, it will be possible to easily provide an air defense system in the area of ​​10 meters and even more accurately. Here and a miniature nuclear charge will cause very big trouble, especially if it lands on a strategic aviation airfield or some power plant.
    This is what I wanted to say.
  28. Russian
    Russian 1 November 2018 23: 46
    -2
    Quote: Vadim851
    Now the main thing is not power but accuracy. Even a 1ct warhead with a CVO of about a meter can do a lot of trouble when it gets to the right place, and with modern technologies, such a warhead can easily fit in the SM-3 head


    No more than your speculation about the size of a warhead of 1 ct and its ability to inflict serious damage. Well, she will destroy one command post if she can. What next? Russia has a huge military infrastructure, including submarines, command centers, etc. Russia is the heir to the USSR, and the Union was preparing for a world war. What are 20-30 rockets ?? For Russia and 200 missiles will not be enough. Not for nothing that during the Cold War, arsenals contained tens of thousands of atomic charges. Yes, plus the Perimeter system.
    So all this talk about the threat of NATO and the United States is nothing more than tales from Kissel and other nightingales. No one in their right mind will start any nuclear war with Russia. And there are not so many nuts in the world: Iran, Sev. Korea. So sleep well
  29. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 1 November 2018 23: 47
    +2
    We need to remember one thing: for the USA, Europe is all the more eastern as a bargaining chip. And in order to create a serious military threat to Russia, the Americans are simply ready to sacrifice the territory of such countries as Poland and Romania. The interests and goals of the Americans are much higher than these countries.
    Whether Russia should keep these bases under the gun is a rhetorical question.
    After all, both launch cells can be emptied in literally 2-3 minutes and after that they are waste material. It will no longer make sense to hit us with them, but the ammunition will be wasted.
    And one more thing to remember. Today in Poland 24 launchers have been deployed, tomorrow they can deploy as many more there. And the protected forest is probably uprooted for this.
  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 November 2018 23: 55
    0
    Well, I think that we, too, did not lose time in vain, preparing for such a thing.
    And I think that dofig of something formidable is aimed at each of these bases.
    Because in the threatened period, they should be kicked out first.
  31. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 2 November 2018 01: 52
    +2
    For those who believe that there is no danger in these American missiles for us, I want to say - do not be so naive!
    It seems that these are the most "harmless" 48 missiles. So, thanks to their minimal (4-7 minutes) flight time and the factor of surprise, they will be able to take out of the game more than half of our nuclear arsenal located in the European part of Russia. Strategic submarine bases, positional areas of the Strategic Missile Forces and strategic aviation airfields can be completely disabled with all delivery vehicles.
    Moreover, for guaranteed destruction, the Americans will be able to "load" up to 2-3 missiles on each target.
    From the base in Romania to Saratov how much is coming out? Well RSD, this distance will fly for 8 minutes and there is no Engels airfield!
    So everything is very, very serious. From leading positions on our border, American RSDs will be able to carry out strategic missions a cut above and better than ICBMs and SLBMs with great flight time and low accuracy.
    So the "Missile Defense" in Romania and Poland is a purely offensive weapon. First disarming and decapitating blow. Today there are 48 missiles, tomorrow it may be 148. Therefore, it is worth thinking very seriously before writing that it does not pose any danger to us.
  32. aiden
    aiden 2 November 2018 02: 25
    +1
    We do not need to be afraid of missile defense, but internal enemies
  33. Russian
    Russian 2 November 2018 12: 34
    -2
    Quote: svp67
    ... And now it is these universal launchers that appear on the positions of NATO missile defense missiles, that is, no one can guarantee that these containers cannot contain GROUND-BASED Tomahawks.
    So, what are the claims to our leadership?


    You, obviously, are small and did not find those times. But I found it and remember well that the main problem was not the presence of rockets there or something else. The tomahawks you were so afraid of at the time.
    The main thing was the flight time to Moscow in 7-8 minutes. So this time was ONLY at the Pershinges, and all these Tomahawks will be sawed for an hour or two to Moscow, which in general does not scare anyone.

    They will be knocked down ten times along the way. So Tomahawks are a common scarecrow for Russian citizens. There will be time to retaliate ICBMs and everything else.

    And claims to the leadership are frantic intimidation of citizens by non-existent threats, squandering funds and ignoring real threats. Here China, which is not saying anything bad, may very well have views of Siberia. He most likely has cruise missiles, and he is full of people and he is not afraid of war.
  34. Russian
    Russian 2 November 2018 12: 39
    -2
    Quote: Osipov9391

    ... they will be able to withdraw from the game more than half of our nuclear arsenal located in the European part of Russia. Strategic submarine bases, strategic missile forces position areas and strategic aviation aerodromes can be completely disabled with all carriers.
    ..

    Yeah, what happened next? Wait for an answer with the remaining 4000 nuclear warheads from non-European parts of Russia and from nuclear submarines.
    Well done, cool brewed porridge! Almost won!
  35. Dart
    Dart 2 November 2018 13: 15
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    Rather, they will connect the appropriate control and processing units designed to launch the axes.

    exactly! Why are these relatively complex actions, a replacement for already prepared modules and all. At least in my area, many issues are resolved this way, hot-swappable, short test and that’s it.
  36. iouris
    iouris 2 November 2018 14: 26
    0
    Why did the Foreign Ministry blame the United States? I had to congratulate him on his achievements in "achieving absolute domination" and give Psaki another pink soldier's cap with the emblem of the USSR.
  37. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 November 2018 16: 36
    0
    It was clear a long time ago. Therefore, they raised a howl about Iskander in the Kaliningrad region. The Poles will live 5-7 minutes after launch ..
    1. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 2 November 2018 18: 00
      +1
      An order came to the base via a closed communication channel. Black American officers turned the keys and 24 missiles swept towards Russia in just a couple of minutes!
      Everything, the base is empty. What is the point of striking there? Waste ammunition or, on a principle, avenge fallen comrades?
      The base worked, missiles with a flight mission went towards Russia. All. She is now unnecessary. It will divert as many vigorous answers of Russia as possible. This will be its last destination.
      And Poland and Romania for the United States is a bargaining chip. They will easily sacrifice them if only the territory of the USA does not suffer.
  38. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 2 November 2018 18: 05
    +1
    Quote: Russkiy
    Quote: Osipov9391

    ... they will be able to withdraw from the game more than half of our nuclear arsenal located in the European part of Russia. Strategic submarine bases, strategic missile forces position areas and strategic aviation aerodromes can be completely disabled with all carriers.
    ..

    Yeah, what happened next? Wait for an answer with the remaining 4000 nuclear warheads from non-European parts of Russia and from nuclear submarines.
    Well done, cool brewed porridge! Almost won!

    Are you kidding? For even 1000 charges, SSBNs are not deployed. And we are talking only about the "Dolphins" on patrol in the ocean. Pacific "Squids" do not count, they will soon be written off. With "Borey" the situation is cloudy. Whether there are combat-ready Bulava missiles or not is an open question. But the fact is that from Kamchatka "Borei" has not yet been fired.
    1. Russian
      Russian 3 November 2018 01: 55
      -2
      Enough rockets deployed. The same Poplar, Voivode, etc. So that in the United States is enough for half the globe.
      Another question: what to do after an attack on Russia? Even if Russia does not answer (does not want, for example).
      140 million dead-headed citizens rush to the same Europe. To eat, to escape from chaos and robberies. How will Europe stop them? Also throw atomic bombs? By peaceful people?

      The whole topic of the war with NATO and the United States-Nonsense!
      1. Alf
        Alf 3 November 2018 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Russkiy
        How will Europe stop them? Also throw atomic bombs? By peaceful people?

        And when did it stop Europe?
  39. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 3 November 2018 19: 22
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Russkiy
    How will Europe stop them? Also throw atomic bombs? By peaceful people?

    And when did it stop Europe?

    For the United States, Europe is a bargaining chip. For the sake of eliminating Russia as a subject of politics, they can easily cross Europe.