In the US, pointed to the main sign of the degradation of the Russian fleet

Russian ships going on a long voyage accompanied by tugboats are a symbolic evidence of the main problem of the Russian military fleetleads Lenta.ru report opinion of American expert Brian Clark.

He recalled several accidents that had occurred in recent decades, including the disaster of the Kursk submarine, incidents with Admiral Kuznetsov, and shipyard fires.

According to the expert, this entire series of accidents leads to the only conclusion ”- the Russian Navy has a maintenance problem. There are a number of ships that have never sailed without tugs. Among them is the aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.

He noted that military equipment without a major overhaul can only serve the first 25 years. According to him, Russia cannot service outdated ships due to the lack of components needed for replacement, access to which is currently difficult, or their production is simply impossible.

Clark added that the situation when warships are accompanied by towing equipment has become standard for Russia, and this should be a lesson for the rest of the world.

In turn, Russian military expert Alexei Leonkov pointed out the problems of the American fleet.

According to him, the situation with the American aircraft carriers, which began to appear less and less in the oceans, is similar to the situation in the Air Force, where the 60% of the fleet requires urgent repairs. The expert believes that the aircraft carrying giants will soon become a thing of the past.

This, in his opinion, will happen for three reasons: firstly, the cost of operation of aging ships, which lose their combat effectiveness from repair to repair, is constantly rising; secondly, the level of combat effectiveness of new ships, compared with the cost of production, increases slightly; Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.

He noted that the situation with aircraft carriers can be viewed as the beginning of a systemic crisis of the US military-industrial complex. If we add here the information that Americans are also lagging behind in the development of EW facilities, new ICBMs and hypersonic weaponsthe signs of the decline of the US defense industry are clearly visible, the expert believes.

Comments

[dr.star75]

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

[Office]

Quote: dr.star75

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.

[Arh]

I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!

[GibSoN]

I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!

Extremely one-sided position. Just think, what are the differences between the Russian Federation and the United States ?! The girl was not divided? Sweetie? Business interests? It's all nonsense! How many full-fledged wars have there been between the Russian Federation and the USA for the entire time of existence? Directly, in fact, not one! Even when the US invaded our territory, they completely dumped without any difficulties! In a global sense, ideology and religion are important! All wars are somehow tied to this. Now imagine really, who and what benefit can be from the possession of Russia ?! The stereotype that the United States is our main enemy is essentially historically imposed! Since the enemy is the most relevant. But it was a long time ago. Now, there are more obvious threats. The same China is developing simply at an incredible pace and having all the necessary capabilities ... But we are stubbornly continuing the party line! USA, our enemy! The USA itself does not know what to do so as not to lose influence because of China! The Russian Federation, in addition to guns and show-offs, does not threaten the United States. From the word at all! Everything else is trifles, at the level did not share the parking with a neighbor.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: GibSoN

I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!

In a global sense, ideology and religion are important! All wars are somehow tied to this.

What? : DDDDD all wars are tied to land and resources, remove the pink glasses comrade.

[kolyhalovs]

Earth is a resource.

[GibSoN]

all wars are tied to land and resources

You think very narrowly. For a person who will fight and is ready to give his life, such as land and resources in itself, does not represent special value. But if you let him know that this is really very important for him, then yes! But this is an ideology! Since this is the same person, all the same, he will never own 1% not this land, not its resources! But those for whom .. Well, something like that.

[PalBor]

We did not appoint them as our enemy. It is the Americans who are building the various triads of the main threats in which Russia is certainly present.
Without Heartland, there is no world domination.

[dr.star75]

The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus. But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

[SSR]

Quote: dr.star75

The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus. But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

Regarding the nuclear submarine, it's not so simple, they have more, in some ways better and in some ways worse, but talking about "dreams" is nothing for you, but our fleet puffs and puffs, while the engines are mastered, a lot of water will leak, the brothers were all fed orders.

[dr.star75]

we are lost in the quality (noise) of our nuclear submarines, both in quantity and in armament with missiles. I’ll keep silent about deployability.

[Igoresha]

Quote: dr.star75

we are lost in the quality (noise) of our nuclear submarines, both in quantity and in armament with missiles. I’ll keep silent about deployability.

if the quantity is bad, the USSR has always taken this and managed to survive

[denart50]

Quote: Igoresha

if the quantity is bad, the USSR has always taken this and could survive

Minus - from me precisely for this phrase ... In the Soviet submarine fleet there were many, along with negative, and positive ... And "jokes" in this case are not appropriate ...

[Igoresha]

what jokes are there, compare the number of air forces of the Red Army and Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front

[Boa kaa]

Quote: dr.star75

I’ll keep silent about deployability.

You rightly noticed ... BETTER SILENCE - you will marry a knowing one!

[NEXUS]

Quote: dr.star75

The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus.

Do you see much rebirth when we build MAPLs for 10 years, and corvettes for 7 years? A great revival of the fleets, when we do not build above surface ships of the second rank and then with a stump deck.
The fleet is being financed according to the residual, what kind of revival are we talking about? Submarine with VNEU made and where is this VNEU. Varshavyanka modernized, and riveted. But nothing that this project is still Soviet times? We trudge on the backlog and heritage of the USSR. What kind of rebirth to the Devil when the loss of ships exceeds the arrival of new ones? What are you talking about, dear?

Quote: dr.star75

But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

And why should we chase the United States by the number of nuclear submarines? They are hegemons all over their heads and everywhere strive to establish their order.

[dr.star75]

Quote: NEXUS

And why should we chase the United States by the number of nuclear submarines? They are hegemons all over their heads and everywhere strive to establish their order.

And for the fact that SGA overlaid us along the borders with its pro, and our MBRs will be shot down at the start. here we need apl, on duty in the oceans. for return volley

[NEXUS]

Quote: dr.star75

And for the fact that SGA overlaid us along the borders with its pro, and our MBRs will be shot down at the start. here we need apl, on duty in the oceans. for return volley

So that you understand, then it is the NUCLEAR TRIAD, so that not only with the submarines they can shoot at the adversary. This is the United States an ocean power, and we are a CONTINENTAL COUNTRY. Do you understand the difference?
If we begin to build nuclear submarines at the same pace and in the same amount as mattresses, you will forgive me, without pants. Top idiocy get involved in a DIRECT arms race with the United States. They have stupid money more. And for the United States, 8 Boreas with 16 ICBMs on each and Dolphins with the Sineves will be enough. Or do you need to destroy, in the event of a nuclear conflict, the United States 15 times?

[dr.star75]

From our nuclear triad, you can safely delete the air one. It is unlikely to even take off. Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike". all hope is only for the APL

[NEXUS]

Quote: dr.star75

From our nuclear triad, you can safely cross out the air.

Seriously? That is, intelligence, analytics, etc. is it just that, for show? Monitoring the situation for the concentration of enemy forces, reconnaissance data on the plans of the adversary, etc., gives us time to prepare and raise the same strategists into the air.

Quote: dr.star75

Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike".

Wow ... that is, mobile systems with nuclear weapons do not count? And the same mine with the Voivode must still be covered, so that the rocket does not fly out later. By the way, do you understand the difference between the ANSWERING RESPONSE and the RESPONSE-MEETING expressions? M ... read our doctrine. There the concept of ANSWERING-MEETING is clearly indicated. That is, not waiting for their rockets to land on our land.

[dr.star75]

Well, calm down! I understand what you are talking about. First: the mobile systems we have. the first and second are very vulnerable, there are very few of them. to fool America. Well, the area of ​​their patrol is very limited. just falls under the defeat of a vigorous bomb.

[denart50]

Quote: dr.star75

From our nuclear triad, you can safely delete the air one. It is unlikely to even take off. Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike". all hope is only for the APL

What is surprising is that you have neither minuses nor pluses ...
But your first phrase is real ... Somehow people do not try to think about the fact that, say, for example, Engels airbase - has long been known to everyone, and to think up options that impede its work has been a topical business for all years ... Well, the Tu-160 pair flies at this moment, it is barraging around a certain perimeter ... Who will guarantee that it (them) has nuclear weapons on board instead of mock-ups? No one ...
And at this time, a massive blow is being struck at Engels airbase ... And there is no need for nuclear weapons ... It’s simple - to damage the runway ...
Somehow on the map and KShU this - does not look real ...

[dr.star75]

Everyone wants to eat up on the best!

[Flyer_64]

Quote: denart50

And at this time a massive blow is being inflicted on Engels airbase ..

Well, in the first place, events called withdrawal from attack in the areas of dispersal are being held. And secondly, the Engels division has a number of alternate aerodromes; it will not strike at all.

[Valery U.]

Well, probably a military airfield is not Sheremetyevo. Probably it is not covered by the latest model of air defense, especially if the AO is stored there.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NEXUS

when does the loss of ships exceed the arrival of new ones?

Is there statistics ?? Facts on the table.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Letun_64

Is there statistics ?? Facts on the table.

Here is an excerpt from an article of one ... read ... I’ll leave a link below ... further, if you want to delve into statistics until 2018, dig yourself on the internet. There is no time to do this now ... but believe me, there are more quantitatively fewer ships, than growth. Both in terms of tonnage and quality.

So now we can put the final scores. We repeat, the previously made discoveries and add new ones.

Russia lost about 1200 thousand tons of displacement of modern ships, 85% of which fell on the era of Yeltsin’s rule. At the same time, construction was reduced 5-8 times. As a result, the fleet lost a significant share of combat effectiveness and stopped updating. The USA utilized only about 300 thousand tons of modern ships' displacement and reduced the construction of new ones by about 30%, due to which the size of their fleet is reduced very slowly, and updating with an infusion of fresh blood never stopped.

In addition to this, we can now also claim that 254 ships and submarines under the age of 25 years, which still had significant potential, were subjected to forced destruction. This loss of the most valuable units is actually a crime against the country's defense.

https://army-news.ru/2017/03/floty-rossii-i-ssha-statistika-unichtozheniya-chast-3/

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NEXUS

Here is an excerpt from one article

These are statistics of the last century. The ship’s composition only the Black Sea Fleet is growing, CFL too, it’s bad that only ships of rank 3 and 2 are building, but they are building.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Letun_64

These are statistics of the last century. The ship’s composition only the Black Sea Fleet is growing, CFL too, it’s bad that only ships of rank 3 and 2 are building, but they are building.

The Black Sea Fleet is growing for one reason, because before the accession of Crimea, we could not replenish it. As for decommissioned ships, it is only Sarycha’s decommissioned, if I remember 9 boards! and 4 were handed over to China. We apparently didn’t need them. There are only 2 Sarychs in our fleets. As well as aircraft carriers. Now it’s out of date ... How many years have the Atlant project ships been around? 40. Orlans are not young either. In addition to decommissioning, there is also obsolescence of ships. Modernization is slow. It is enough to look at how the Pike-Bs are modernized. The main caliber in the form of Grenades is removed from them. That is, in fact, only torpedoes and this is not Physics with Predators.
Continue? I repeat, the decline and obsolescence of warships is greater than what is being built new. And at times.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NEXUS

Continue?

Well, what is the degradation of the fleet? Here is the attitude of the Defense Ministry and the government to the fleet. And immediately another question. What is easier to re-equip for money? Shoigu was already biting with OSK about the cost of the work, how it ended, the world. And if you have something to do with the Moscow Region, you should know that from the year 93 onwards, the current year in the troops there are orphaned ones every second year. And first of all, ships under prolonged repair or sludge fell under them. Therefore, before hait, you need to know the subject.

[sogdy]

Quote: NEXUS

https://army-news.ru/2017/03/floty-rossii-i-ssha-statistika-unichtozheniya-chast-3/

We go to "About the site"
at the very end of the text "Site statistics is available at the link: http://metrika.yandex.ru/stat/?id=2055979" - we look, we are worried.
According to the article - author / Alexey Polyakov, topwar.ru/

Nexus, adnaka circular link?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: dr.star75

But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

And what do you have to do with the submarine fleet?

[dr.star75]

Do you have?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: dr.star75

Do you have?

Jew?

[sogdy]

Quote: dr.star75

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

Quote: 5

Russian ships going on a long voyage accompanied by tugboats are a symbolic evidence of the main problem of the Russian navy, Lenta.ru quoted the opinion of American expert Brian Clark.

If the latter is the expert’s opinion, then what is he right about?
Ships are required to leave only with tugboats.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kontora

Right of course but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.

Is any of those present against? You know that the budget of 2018 (for Russia) was set up at a cost of oil of $ 40 / barrel. Despite the fact that the cost of oil has increased from the beginning of the year to $ 70-80 / barrel, which ranges from 75 to 100%, the duty on the export of raw materials has increased from 01.10.2018 to $ 152 per ton, and before that it was $ 137,5 per ton, which in percentage terms was only 10%. Despite the fact that the Russian Federation exports about 250 million tons (2017 million tons in 252,637), which at the planned cost of $ 40 is just something - $ 62 ... But with an increase in the price of oil, this figure almost doubles ... Guess from one time, where they will go if they increase the duty by 893% 081% of the $ 760?
You just don’t say, it was someone of their gods who sent our oligarchs a profit increase and an increase in capital ... I won’t believe it ...
And just imagine how many ships can be built with this money for our Navy, if the price of the most expensive American aircraft carrier is $ 11 billion. And in our case, the stash was $ 55 billion.
Sometimes, in order for a new life to appear (a revival has occurred), you need to finish the old ... But !!! Perhaps you have other ways and you know other methods ...

[Random]

Quote: ROSS 42

Guess once, where, with a 10% increase in duty, will 90% of the $ 62 go?

Are you trying to "encroach" on .. "sacred"?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

Are you trying to "encroach" on .. "sacred"?

Serega, hi.
Yachts, summer residences, cars, planes of the oligarchs, of course, yes, but ... do you know that a country that allocates more than 2% for armaments is de facto at war? as a percentage of defense funds. And then ask yourself the question: are we now in peacetime?

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

Now do not be lazy and take a look at the countries, who and how much allocates a percentage of funds for the defense industry.

And why be lazy ... in the morning you open any economic "newspaper" and look ... baa all the new "members" of the Forbes list or the payment of a lot ...... bonuses and parachutes .... and so ..yes ... are we "spending on defense"?
I did not pay attention ... in what composition did Merkel flew to the dill? And ... we will not point the finger .... but it costs money ... well, etc.
I already wrote that "thank you" Mihiko for .. "shook" a little ... "tandem" to understand that there is practically nothing to fight and defend with ... at least "think" and started doing something, and so ... and continued to sit ...
By the way, are you aware of our new ship, which was arrested in Mariupol? ... Here is your whole answer and ... about "politics" and ... "defense"
Well and .. good morning .. of course

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

Well and .. good morning .. of course

Good morning, friend.

Quote: Random

By the way, are you aware of our new ship, which was arrested in Mariupol? ... Here is your whole answer and ... about "politics" and ... "defense"

You know how to spoil your mood in the morning, Serge.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

You know how to spoil your mood in the morning, Serge.

Well then, come on .. "raise" your mood
And here from the morning I was delivered a "present", right from Yelizovo ..... even "running" more .... "seafood"

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

Well then, come on .. "lift" your mood
And here from the morning I was delivered a "present", right from Yelizovo ..... even "running" more .... "seafood"

Oh, you pterodactyl is cunningly made ... it means there uses the Pacific crab, and here it sits scribbling about how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

.on that means there he uses the Pacific crab, and here he sits scribbling about how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe

wider, it’s necessary, Andrey .. or wider as they say, don’t have a hundred rubles, but have 100 friends
And "military life" must always be "lived in such a way" so that you are always remembered and not forgotten, and you yourself were not "ashamed of ....." aimlessly " ... "past years"

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

wider, it’s necessary, Andrey .. or wider, as they say, don’t have a hundred rubles, but have 100 friends

Not so ... it is necessary for people wider, and the problem is deeper to see. It was 100 rubles in the USSR money, and now even two in a hundred does not make people happy.

Quote: Random

And "military life" must always be "lived like this"

Well, that is, that is ... you why the feathery then what to complain? A noble crab, a beer, and on Friday ... eh ... razedered, infection.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

, for a beer, yes on Friday ... eh ... distracted, the infection

Yes, that's just me .. "nizya" Well, no way ... and my wife is not in solidarity with me still 40 years together

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

still 40 years together

Nothing, you will survive to the diamond ... you will not get anywhere.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

Nothing, you will live to see a diamond.

With your lips ... yeah honey drink

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

With your lips ... yeah honey drink

And you have a tail with your gun and don’t let out the chassis.

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

And you have a tail with your gun and don’t let out the chassis.

Got it, doing it let's go kick it uryakalok "on .." the success of Rosoboronexport

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

let's go "kick" uryakalok "on .." successes of Rosoboronexport "

Yes, I watch few of them nonche ... maybe they hibernated, or flew south ...

[Random]

Quote: NEXUS

Yes, I watch few of them nonche ... maybe they hibernated, or flew south ...

Yes, nooo, just for all their "urya-voices and plans" such .. "pluzhi" fly, that ... it's a shame, probably therefore and ... skerry

[NEXUS]

Quote: Random

Yes, nooo, just for all their "urya-voices and plans" such .. "pluzhi" fly, that ... it's a shame, that's probably why ...

Yes, I’ve climbed into a branch about F-35 ... I’m sitting, reading, and educating myself on smoking cigarette.

[tlauicol]

cut the pie - the military share of the budget is just over 4%. Enough to sew a new uniform, and on the admiral’s boat with the girls

[Elephant]

Submarine level? Only the noise level, from among modern samples, so we have 10 dB. higher. Perhaps that is why they are terribly afraid ...

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Elephant

at 10 dB. higher

I wonder what sources of information?

[sogdy]

Quote: Letun_64

I wonder what sources of information?

Judging by the author (Elephant) - from Ukrainian.

[region58]

Quote: Elephant

at 10 dB. higher

That figure is when the decibels and times match. Want to say that our boats are 10 times noisier? Come on...

[Ryzhik]

Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
But our submarines are still at a level and the USA is terribly afraid of them

Is that sarcasm? If yes, then the standings.

[Adimius38]

in the USA, the last launched submarines are no worse than ours, but besides this, they can afford to launch them as much as they need, unlike Russia, where we scrub the whole country on one submarine

[Campanella]

Everything will be reborn, but apparently not under this power. She has a split personality, on the one hand, the economy must be boosted, and on the other, not at her own expense ... Therefore, they always talk about investments. To them who should build and launch everything, and then they will together report on the work done. But alas, the fools are dumb! Therefore, we sit in a known place, trample the bottom.

[Ryzhik]

trample the bottom

it would be more accurate to say "breaking through the next bottom". Just like a crane deck.

[Valery U.]

Under socialism they build on their own, under capitalism they build on investment. However, we live in a world. We are not China. An attracted foreign investor, having invested money here, will try to sell products here and there. Along the way, protecting his enterprise there. So everything is logical.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Kontora

Quote: dr.star75

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.

Yeah, from the ashes? Nobody will be reborn from the ashes

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Vol4ara

Yeah, from the ashes? Nobody will be reborn from the ashes

From the ashes, the Phoenix will be reborn.

[VALERIK_097]

Doc, what is the right striped expert?
Ships in the campaign are not accompanied by raid tugs.

[dr.star75]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Doc, what is the right striped expert?

The fact that we do not have: 1. aircraft carriers;
2. frigates
3 destroyers
4. Infrastructure for basing aircraft carriers.
5. We build only a coastal fleet

[VALERIK_097]

He smiled, list what we don’t have yet and no one knows about it.
We go on what is. And not with screaming, everything was lost, etc.

[dr.star75]

Pump up boats and go on them, and be proud that we have an ocean fleet that has no analogues in the world. And in the article, the American wrote that the Russian fleet had degraded. Write a refutation of what he is wrong.

[VALERIK_097]

Why do I need to pump boats, and so I work for them. The Navy’s base is people, for the last 5 years I haven’t seen a single drunken officer on ships, and you’re talking about degradation.

[dr.star75]

Well, when officers thump in the service, it’s not the degradation of the fleet, but the degradation of the country. And so, in our entire fleet, Kuzya, 2 missile cruisers, and Petya remained half-dead. And whose submarines are not thick. Is this not degradation?

[VALERIK_097]

Kuzya, Petya, you can’t do that about ships.

[dr.star75]

And don’t give money to the fleet - it’s possible! If this is the only problem, I can read out all the regalia of both Petit and Kuzi!

[Setrac]

Quote: dr.star75

And in the article, the American wrote that the Russian fleet had degraded. Write a refutation of what he is wrong.

It is high time to build spaceships, and we all wave the oars, the time of the surface fleet as the main striking force is long gone.

[dr.star75]

We don’t even wave oars, and soon we will be releasing sailboats. there are no engines!

[Campanella]

We already have a canoe deuce ... For about 20 years they have been rowing for the good of the Motherland they can’t rake out!)))

[NEXUS]

Quote: Setrac

the time of the surface fleet as the main striking force is long gone.

Nothing that two-thirds of the planet’s surface is water?

[Setrac]

Quote: NEXUS

Nothing that two-thirds of the planet’s surface is water?

So what? Are you not embarrassed that people do not live on these two-thirds of the surface of the planet?
Deep space - this is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 in the period from the volume of the universe - means you need to build a space fleet and it is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more important than the sea.

[dr.star75]

Chet, I did not understand why advertising was stuck in my post ???

[The black]

In addition to the unfinished (so far) naval base in Syria, the Russian fleet, unlike the American one, has virtually no base points of support at remote oceanic theaters of operations. Which he is forced to partially compensate for by the constant inclusion of towing, supply and even repair ships in his combat squadrons.

[K-612-O]

And the most interesting thing is that the Soviet fleet also went and also built sea tugs and carried them with them.

[Random]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Ships in the campaign are not accompanied by raid tugs.

Ours, yes, but in the "enemy's" fleet are tugs also on campaigns?
Here's an example: A detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet as part of the Boyky and Soobrazitelny corvettes, the Cola tanker and naval tug SB-123 entered combat service to the Mediterranean on April 7th. , i.e. and the attack ... with a tug?

[tlauicol]

Quote: Random

those. and the attack ... with a tug?

this is to take prisoners

[VALERIK_097]

Read the post: Black Today, 17:15
Everything on the topic, nothing to add.

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

Ours, yes, but in the "enemy's" fleet are tugs also on campaigns?

You have already been answered before

Quote: Black

In addition to the unfinished (so far) naval base in Syria, the Russian fleet, unlike the American one, has virtually no base points of support at remote oceanic theaters of operations. Which he is forced to partially compensate for by the constant inclusion of towing, supply and even repair ships in his combat squadrons.

[tlauicol]

Well, the tug doesn’t hurt these corvettes, the engines have already broken down, the smart one was even on a visit to the Danes

[Random]

Quote: Setrac

almost no base points of support

Remember the good old Russian proverb? Well, this one ... about "you can't .... don't torture ..."
And ask yourself a question ... where did all our bases and TVET go? I hope you do not need to present the list?
Immediately writing " -arguments "like" there is no money "," there was a difficult situation "," we believed, but we were deceived "... are not accepted ... IMHO.
And yes, by the way, country 404 "arrested" our next ship Questions are still ....?

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

Immediately I write "-arguments" like "no money", "there was a difficult situation", "we believed, but we were deceived" ... are not accepted ... IMHO.

Well, of course, you are not ready to discuss inconvenient arguments - but who would doubt it.

Quote: Random

And ask yourself a question ... where did all our bases and TVET go?

Let me remind you with what creak the pension reform is going. Our people at the moment are not ready to sacrifice anything for the army.

[Random]

Quote: Setrac

Well, of course, you are not ready to discuss inconvenient arguments

What to discuss? "No money left"? "She ... drowned"? ".. We were deceived again"?
What's the point in this .. "discussion"?

Quote: Setrac

Let me remind you with what creak the pension reform is going.

I am generally amazed that she ... although somehow it goes, but ... "goof ... this is fate"

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

What to discuss? "No money left"? "She ... drowned"? ".. We were deceived again"?

That is, you completely ignore the difference in the economic and human potential of Russia and the North Atlantic Alliance? Is this irrelevant for you?

Quote: Random

I am generally amazed that she ... although somehow it goes, but ... "goof ... this is fate"

Exactly so - our state is a "goof", which has assumed the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population.

[Random]

Quote: Setrac

Exactly so - our state is a "goof", which has assumed the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population.

Are you serious???? "A fee of 8 do you call ... a" pension "? ... Who do you" soar "to ..." brains "..." we are not on delivery "... (phrase from the movie Shirley-_Myrli).
I will not give many examples ... I will argue with the "Vedrosovskys" ... not respect myself
So in "not beloved Israel", a person who has worked for less than 10 years (work experience) does not receive a pension, but will receive an old-age social benefit - 105 rubles, with our money ... so ... ...Goodbye
And yes ... I now remember the times when we had both POTENTIAL and ECONOMY ..... and you ??? From the podium "Bucket" you can only see .. "your own gingerbread"?

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

Are you serious???? "A fee of 8 do you call ... a" pension "? ... Who do you" soar "to ..." brains "..." we are not on delivery "...

I don’t know from which Mars you fell, but our whole country lives like this - a salary of 15-20 thousand per month, and a pension of 8-10 thousand is a lot.

Quote: Random

And yes ... I now remember the times when we had both POTENTIAL and ECONOMY ..... and you ??? From the podium "Bucket" you can only see .. "your own gingerbread"?

When we had potential, there were four hundred million of us, and the Union was not breaking up "buckets" at all.

Quote: Random

So in "not beloved Israel", a person who has worked for less than 10 years (work experience) does not receive a pension, but will receive an old-age social benefit - 105 rubles, with our money ... so ... ...Goodbye

Nobody is holding you in Russia - go to Israel.

[Random]

Quote: Setrac

a salary of 15-20 thousand per month, and a pension of 8-10 thousand is a lot.

So you have already decided ... or everyone lives like that or ... "the state .... has taken on the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population."
What.." run out of arguments? "
.

Quote: Setrac

Nobody is holding you in Russia - go to Israel.

Or maybe it is you .. (all "shobla") dump from our country?
What ... there is nothing to answer ... except ... "slogans"? So for 18 years .. have already "heard enough" for the most ... "I can't"

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

So you have already decided ... or everyone lives like that or ... "the state ...

It is not necessary to decide here - they do not contradict each other.

Quote: Random

Or maybe it is you .. (all "shobla") dump from our country?

You are the one who whines what a bad country we have - so bring it down to the "good" one. You have where to blame, but we do not.

[Random]

Quote: Setrac

This is you whining what is our bad country

So bring down you, who made her so ... and we, without you, will do everything right
And do not advise me what to do, otherwise I will advise you on something ... go

[Setrac]

Quote: Random

So bring down you, who made her so ... and we, without you, will do everything right

It was you who made our country like that, you, not us. You are those who dream of pensions of 100 rubles, lace panties and visa-free travel with the EU. And at the expense of whom you will be paid a pension - you absolutely do not care, the psychology of parasites.

Quote: Random

And do not advise me what to do, otherwise I will advise you on something ... go

Well, advise yourself and go - no one is holding.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

SB is a rescue tug. If NATO does not go with such attendants, then this means that they have all this service organized otherwise. Is it true that in the NATO countries the fleets do not even have support vessels ?? It is doubtful.
What is in their place? Allied ports network? (which is already more believable)

[svd-xnumx]

By and large, tugs are escorted not because our ships are more susceptible to breakdowns (of course, this is also the reason due to dilapidation), but because there is no infrastructure along the route. Let us recall how the ports refused to call for replenishment of supplies during the last cruise of the squadron led by the aircraft carrier .In the event of a breakdown of the same "Admiral Kuznetsov" in the English Channel, frogs and naglobritts would rather let him crash on the shore than send tugs. This will be just a gift, in the current situation, for the enemies of Russia.

[lucul]

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

Russia is simply not allowed to have its own fleet. We recall - even under Stalin, linear ships were blown up (Novorossiysk, etc.)
Hinting, build - we'll blow up anyway. And the recent "attempt" on "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a fresh example of this.

[Elephant]

A backward, flawed economy does not allow a modern fleet.

[faiver]

even under Stalin, linear ships were blown up (Novorossiysk, etc.)

- Nothing that Stalin has been alive for two years? 1955year

[Mih1974]

Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))

[Henderson]

and there are blacks lynching

[Mih1974]

Google about their "Zumvolts" , until they die in the Panama Canal, then immediately after leaving the dock, etc. And by the way, the Americans from 11 aviks can never send EVERYTHING on a hike - more than half of them are always under repair, which often does not allow them to roll off the pier. And honestly I'm not sure that their support for the Avik is not designed for its "towing", in my gut I sense that someone there initially has a cable. There were also accidents and all kinds of things - whether he himself spanked the Mericosia on foot, figurines, someone from the escort took in tow and dragged.

[Henderson]

Well, this changes everything, so the Russian Navy can also walk on the rusty troughs of the Soviet post

[Bykov.]

Quote: Mih1974

Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))

Just two days ago, some American ship nearly sank, not reaching the training site in Norway.

[Mih1974]

Well, what are you so - not "nearly sank" but "suddenly made a geographical discovery" "discovered" new rocks in the Atlantic))

[tlauicol]

Quote: Bulls.

Quote: Mih1974

Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))

Just two days ago, some American ship nearly sank, not reaching the training site in Norway.

Well, firstly, not a ship, but a ship; secondly, not Norway, but Iceland; thirdly, he got to the exercises and landed troops in a storm off the Icelandic coast. Well, and "did not nearly sink", but received damage to the dock chamber from the impact of lcs.
And so everything is correct

[sogdy]

Quote: Tlauicol

Firstly,

airborne transport

Quote: Tlauicol

в-третьих,

violated the charter of the port when calling. There was not a word about the "landing".

[79807420129]

Began measuring ends, who are thicker, but longer, during the war, all rustle will lead even with tugs even without tugs. In fact, the usual chatter from both enemy sides, each trolls the other from the series "himself such"

[sir_obs]

We just do not. Of the number of bases, which could be a little something, it was possible to go somewhere, as if the Americans were doing it. Do they have any damage? To read Dada open sources, so she’ll catch one after another.

[tap]

Just the tugs are weakly armed. Kuznetsov covered them.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: dr.star75

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Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too

Let the American expert look into his garden.

In November 2016, the first Zumwalt type destroyer was reported to be damaged. Then the newest American destroyer USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) anchored in the Panama Canal due to a breakdown. Malfunctions occurred in the operation of the power plant of the ship. The ship had to be towed. When passing through the channel, the destroyer also hit the gateway wall and received external damage.

The fire on the Miami American nuclear submarine (NPS), which was being repaired in the dry dock of a military shipyard in Portsmouth (Maine), occurred due to the ignition of a vacuum cleaner used by workers.

[venik]

Quote: dr.star75

Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

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Yah??? Our fleet is certainly not going through the best of times, although the worst ones seem to be behind us ...
But about the practice of "escorting by tugs" - since the times of the USSR it has gone, for example, when a detachment of Pacific Fleet or Baltic Fleet ships was sent, say, to the Persian Gulf or the Horn of Africa, tugs were almost ALWAYS a part of the detachment !!! And the point here is not only and not so much in the "deplorable technical condition" (after all, there can be not only breakdowns, but also storm damage, landing on stones, collisions, etc., etc.!), But no "a wide network of naval bases around the world" (like the Yankes, for example).
So that is cunning your Brian Clark !! Oh - disingenuous !!!

[pillau]

Clark added that the situation when warships are accompanied by towing equipment has become standard for Russia, and this should be a lesson for the rest of the world.

In turn, Russian military expert Alexei Leonkov pointed out the problems of the American fleet.

According to him, the situation with the American aircraft carriers, which began to appear less and less in the oceans, is similar to the situation in the Air Force, where the 60% of the fleet requires urgent repairs. The expert believes that the aircraft carrying giants will soon become a thing of the past.

[Bykov.]

Dreaming of amegycos. Everything will be normal, be spock.

[adma]

Quote: Bulls.

Everything will be normal

- Dad, when they say: "Everything will be fine", what is that
mean?
- How to explain to you, son. We are all mortal. And you will die one day.
They’ll put you in a coffin, they will carry you out to the courtyard, they will bring you to
graves. And now they will tie the coffin with ropes and begin to lower it into the grave. Someone from the workers will command: "This edge is higher, just a little more, turn it, lower it, NOW EVERYTHING IS NORMAL ..."

[Bykov.]

Well, to each his own.

[adma]

Quote: Bulls.

to each his own.

The inscription on the gate to the concentration camp Buchenwald.

[Kapkan]

Kuznetsov demanded an urgent test, since such an opportunity appeared. And in fact, do not care, by tug he arrived at the site of the task or on his own. He arrived at the place, completed the task. We received a lot of information on problems from all this action. And then, they are constantly trying to adjust the naming of what is happening in Russia to their own mentality. They just can’t understand that the main thing is to complete the task, and in what way, whether comfortable or not, nobody cares. It’s the same as if the marines or troops were left in the same underpants but with weapons. What are they, from the fact that in some shorts they will no longer perform the task. It would be better for the Amers to take up the training of their seafarers, but the fact that it’s not a month, then a new collision of US military vessels with crashes or barges, falls of f35, and Zyumwalt’s electric eminators still don’t float.

[Henderson]

Quote: Kapkan

He arrived at the place, completed the task

what task did he fulfill, if not secret?

Quote: Kapkan

What are they, from the fact that in some shorts they will no longer perform the task.

Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet.

[Kapkan]

Well, if you are asking such questions, then it is clearly visible how close you are even to the military, even to the defense industry. I'm a newbie here, and have not yet decided what local "stars" are here, but I will definitely take a closer look.)

[Henderson]

for some reason I was sure that you could not tell about his task

[Kapkan]

His tasks are so obvious that I see no reason to procrastinate them. He has not one task, but much more, including resource tests of lifting elevators in combat conditions. Based on these tests, decisions will be made on the design of new aircraft carriers. Rather, they have already been accepted.

[Henderson]

It can be seen. The tasks are obvious, but no one can describe them.
PS testing is not a combat mission

[sogdy]

Quote: Henderson

Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet.

On this basis, you will refuse to carry out the task and surrender to captivity?
So the enemy you will not be needed in this form. Say, adnaka.

[ALARI]

If you experienced navigation with a faulty propulsion system, then the tests were carried out brilliantly. But in a combat situation, when there will be opposition from even an equal fleet, how long would it last on a single aircraft carrier on the surface?

[IvanT]

Crap each other and okay. Let's go drink tea.

[valley64]

Another American nonsense. There is nothing like leather. Well, Mother Russia wants to defame America . Only from his delirium is not easier for American sailors: they want to live

[Henderson]

And what exactly is nonsense? After all, there’s really little going without tugboats.

[jjj]

With a tug - not in tow. So cheaper if that. And also a tanker and a support vessel. You can compare with the United States AUG. That's where the armada is, so the armada

[Henderson]

With a tug means that the sailors themselves do not trust their equipment, which means you can imagine its condition. This is a sign of degradation.
Well, as if with a tug, it’s still more expensive than without a tug.

[VALERIK_097]

Herman, let's put all the sea tugboats to the wall, why should they go to the seas, do you think so?

[Henderson]

Since when did the tugboat become an ocean vessel?

[jjj]

This one, for example, just "Kuzyu" in the twelfth year transported

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Henderson

And what exactly is nonsense? After all, there’s really little going without tugboats.

The nonsense is that tugs are included in the composition of the connection due to problems with the maintenance of ships. The point is not in the technical condition of the ships, but in the absence of basing points around the world in which these tugs stood before.
In Soviet times, tugs, floating workshops and other floating rear were stationed in the PB or at "points", ensuring the operation of OPESK in a particular area. And now all this rear has to be dragged with you every time.
The Yankees, with their widest basing system, do not need to carry tugboats with them - all operational formations are almost always within the "radius of assistance" of any of the bases.

[Henderson]

Quote: Alexey RA

In Soviet times, tugs, floating workshops and other floating rear were stationed in the PB or at "points", ensuring the operation of OPESK in a particular area. And now all this rear has to be dragged with you every time.

So this is a sign of degradation. They used to do something, now they don’t.

[Kerensky]

Two experts scolded the fleet. Well, they get paid for it. What is the meaning of the news? Everything is bad? Not at all! The sides go, the tugs dart, things are going ...
Grandfather Joseph was right - cadres decide everything. And how to prepare personnel? At the wall?

[Henderson]

What does this have to do with ICBMs and hypersonic weapons? From this the pill becomes less bitter chtoli or is it in the style of "but they lynch blacks"?

[Galleon]

He remembered the Kursk submarine ... Our guys themselves ... I would have told him ...
Otherwise, it's better not to argue with him. And in no case should they be reminded what they have badly and where, to announce "vulnerabilities". Let it be, and let it be more.
You know, released into the sea during 2 m.v. such ships look like a truck like a truck. And when the Germans surfaced, so as not to waste torpedoes and shoot that truck with guns, the walls of the boxes on the bulk carrier deck reclined and fascists were greeted with automatic guns. Well, let those experts think that our fleet is so unpretentious and let it not really be that way.

[Corn]

I don’t understand one thing, what is the problem of putting civil propulsion systems on our warships?
And let the butut run around the seas not so fast, but reliably and economically (which is very important in peacetime).

[Ilya Sukhorukov]

Kolomenskoye stands on the Bykov GDGD. They work on a screw through a gearbox that increases the speed. Running well. The main resource compared to the Star is 12000/2500 hours.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Corn

I don’t understand one thing, what is the problem of putting civil propulsion systems on our warships?

The problem is that civilian diesel engines are not designed for the main mode of operation in variable stroke mode. After all, how did the ships - left the port, embarked on a course, picked up speed - and drank it until approaches to the next port. And running around the square in search of submarines and other maneuvering of ships - this is not for ship power plants.
This is the same as offering to put a propulsion system on the tank from the tractor.

[Tomich3]

yes it’s clear without the Americans, our surface fleet is actually not funded

[vladcub]

In some ways, the American is right: the modernization of ships of the "Kuzi" type is difficult, all the same, the chain of subcontractors that were under the Union was destroyed. On our website, there have been publications more than once that when modernizing ships, it is necessary to re-establish the production of components, because some enterprises remained abroad. And about fires, I also partly agree: a fire at an enterprise, and even a military-industrial complex, NEVER happens without consequences for production. Yes, the fires themselves are a consequence of certain actions or inactions. Maybe I've read and seen enough detective stories, but I ALWAYS do not rule out someone's intent. In our "fashion" of extremes, spy mania is off the charts, that spies at every step seem to be a complete indifference, when everyone has done everything. Ukraine blamed Russia for the explosion of its artillery depots, to the point or not, but they blamed it, and how many exploded in our country.

[Jerk]

Let's figure it out. You simply cannot grab onto all the cuts - we won’t do anything. We are a land power, therefore, as it is not offensive to sailors, the fleet will be THERE. Priority is land and air.
But the sea must be answered asymmetrically, namely the submarine fleet - we still won’t conquer the sea - geography is in the way

[Confectioner]

Unfortunately, the Russian Navy is only at the recovery stage. Depressing Pts low rate

[Ilya Sukhorukov]

Sea tugs provide USAR on an object basis, which is quite normal at a great distance from their bases. Tankers are on the heels of the same, need to refuel. Remember how much scream was when our Varshavyanka entered Spain for a gas station. So the cart carries around, I take everything with me ...

[BAI]

He noted that the situation with aircraft carriers can be seen as the beginning of a systemic crisis in the US military-industrial complex. If we add here information that the Americans are also lagging behind in the development of electronic warfare systems, new ICBMs and hypersonic weapons, then the signs of a decline in the US defense industry are quite evident.

The decline of others is not an excuse for their own decline.

[HMR333]

who said that there is an expert ??? pissing rag in the face of such an expert! let the towed irons tell about the rest;

[ANCIENT]

in fact, we ourselves have known this for a long time, it’s another matter that the problems are solved too slowly. And what the American wrote, there’s nothing wrong with the truth, this is the slander of the State Department, the Senate and the US Congress.

[HMR333]

the funniest thing is that the type of ship the tug is designed not only for work in the port))) and it’s strange to complain when the tug goes accompanied by performing its direct tasks!

[ashnajder]

Kuzya is a pest in general))) drowned the planes, drowned the dock)) it’s easier to build a dozen barges, drag them in tows and collect, if unbearable, near the Syria floating base, twisting them together)))) I’m probably more interested)

[New Year day]

it is what it is. But the question arises, why and for how long will this happen?

[The Siberian barber]

..we would have their problems))
In the place of our "expert", I would focus on the PROBLEMS of our Fleet, with regards to its construction and modernization, and not on the "INTENDED" crisis, the American one)))

[Thunderbolt]

The expert believes that aircraft giants will soon be completely gone.
This, in his opinion, will happen for three reasons: firstly, the cost of operating obsolete ships that lose combat effectiveness from repair to repair is constantly growing; secondly, the level of combat readiness of new ships, compared with the cost of production, increases slightly; thirdly, there are problems with fighter jets.

Enlighten who in the subject, what kind of problems does the American fleet have with fighter jets?

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Enlighten who in the subject, what kind of problems does the American fleet have with fighter jets?

He hasn't had them since the Tomkats were all written off.

[Thunderbolt]

Yes, but the "Super Hornets" are fairly balanced machines with much better characteristics than the early "Hornets". There you have air combat and strikes on the ground. Probably, they went along the path of a single machine for different tasks. And the next step in this direction these are their F-35s and the widespread use of drones as tankers to increase the patrol zone around the AUG.

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Yes, but the Super Hornets are fairly balanced vehicles with much better performance than the early Hornets. There you have air combat and ground strikes.

As an i-b super hornet is quite good, but for an air battle it’s still not an ice.

[Vard]

Escort by tugboats ... Probably because if the American ship loses track, they will come to the rescue from the nearest port ... but no one will bother with ours ... out of principle ... That’s safe ...

[Jack O'Neill]

And what is the problem with amers with deckers, who will chew?
And then it’s not very clear:

Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.

[Henderson]

The problem is that the 5th generation of fighters is coming into service. And this is a problem not for amers, but for their opponents.

[mvd ru]

It’s a pity the flags were canceled, but immediately the hand of the 5th column can be seen ..... German or whatever it is,

[Henderson]

Ukraine brain?

[Bellerophon]

WRITE ON YOURSELF, comrades "great naval commanders" 1. The fleet must be able to carry out TASKS, and not have numbers. TASKS are primary. 2. Funds for re-equipping the fleet must be PROPORTIONAL to the economy. 3. The LAND FORCES, VDV, VKS, SSO are actually fighting now. The fleet only supports them, covers the areas of deployment and communication, displays the flag. The priorities are CLEAR. 4. RUSSIA is a continental power. 5. ALL GOOD, comrades "naval commanders". What a pity that BERLIN in 45 was taken practically WITHOUT YOU,)))))

[konstantin68]

It seems quite true, unfortunately.

[APASUS]

Such an analysis is, let's say debatable. How then to explain that the coolest and most expensive projects of the USA and Great Britain for their Navy are constantly failing? And the Englishman generally crashed due to warm water overboard. The entire Zumwalt super filling does not save the ship from engine damage.
There are problems and it’s stupid to deny, but the guys are too lopsided to position everything. They always have all the subtext. When you need to get money - Russians just have super weapons, when you need to prepare yours for war - they are told that we will fight against Neanderthals in broken canoes

[Adimius38]

while the Americans launch the latest destroyers, Russia launches the rook boats ...

[Berkut24]

For American experts. Ships break down in all countries. Some have more, some have less, and some even stick out in the port without leaving. BUT!. NATO ships can go to any European port or ask for help from the nearest NATO ship, which are now like mud at sea. Russian ships no longer have access to European ports for rest, repair, refueling and restocking. Therefore, we often have to carry everything of our own with us, including the "emergency tractor", and the supply vessel and the tanker.

[UVB]

can be seen as the beginning of a systemic crisis in the US military-industrial complex.

With the collapse of the USSR, the Yankees relaxed, which led to their lag in some areas. But one cannot ignore the scientific and production potential of our notorious "partners", so we ourselves cannot be doubly complacent that we do not lose the achieved advantage and achieve a breakthrough where we are still lagging behind.

[exo]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

And what is the problem with amers with deckers, who will chew?
And then it’s not very clear:

Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.

This, our expert, invented a problem for the counterweight. Those aircraft that are armed with carrier-based aviation are quite on the level. And with their combat readiness, everything is not bad. And the F-35 is a completely new type. And slowly put into operation.
And in principle: the US fleet and the Russian fleet are completely different weight categories.

[Adimius38]

For example, only since 2003 in the USA only the Virginia class was launched, the number of 13-14 submarines, and our Russian super booper Ash in the ranks of only one. Draw conclusions. BOREY three boats similar to Ohio 18 boats

[Flyer_64]

According to the expert, this entire series of accidents leads to the only conclusion ”- the Russian Navy has a maintenance problem.

The American expert Brian Clark would better assess the state of the US Navy. Beautiful production videos - this is not an indicator. I remember how their very steep submarine got stuck when they surfaced in the ice of the Arctic Ocean. And the accident rate on the ships rolls over. And the fact that support vessels do not go behind their ships, so they have bases all over the world where support vessels and emergency services are located. And we have everything with us.

[Vkd dvk]

The death of mastodons is due to another factor not addressed in the article. By improving striking power, range, and mass production of hypersonic missile weapons. Carriers and other expensive iron become not a weapon, but a target.

[Zomanus]

Well, what, dude is right. In fact, we are finishing the Soviet groundwork.
The one that did not have time to ditch, sell, cut.
And in fact, the fleet is now being rebuilt.

[jonht]

With the fleet, we really are not all right, but not "everything is lost ...", as many think. There are problems, but the problems can be solved, it takes time and money, so we are waiting for the money to come.
And there is no need to panic, panic on the ship, the last thing that does not lead to his salvation, as they say "to stand in their places ....".

[tlauicol]

Quote: Dr.KonradMorgen

Interestingly, the American expert apparently just does not know that in the Task Force (operational connection) US Navy since the Second World War without fail included at least two "ocean tugs" (yes, the Americans have "ocean" and "sea" tugs - very different ships).

The war was on. The ships were getting combat damage. We still had to recapture the bases or create new ones

[Valery U.]

Each aircraft carrier has its own McCain. (Set fire) This time. The Russians accompany their submarines always in tow (irony) are two. Three calibers = one aircraft carrier ... it's three.

[Valery U.]

[quote = Henderson] [quote = Kapkan]
Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet. [/ Quote]
Yes, the main thing is to end the first clash with a victory and there will be trophy underpants, the main thing is to be dry. I mean, the man exaggerated wrote about cowards and bare ass.

[sleeve]

Clear. So our veterans, honored with a cane (the aircraft carrier has been in service for 30 years, although, by the way, we swear ourselves) is degradation, and their "babies-zamvolty" on wheelchairs (has anyone seen a zamvolta beyond the Gulf of Mexico?) Is this normal?
"-The Russian fleet is degrading, we don't even see it.
-But he's mostly underwater.
-What? They can't even surface ?! Barbarians! "

[ALEx NIXon]

Collision of a submarine “San Francisco” with an underwater rock (January 2005). The missile cruiser “Port Royal” ran aground near Hawaii (January, 2009). The Aegis system distinguishes targets in low Earth orbit, but could not notice interference to the right on the course. As a result, the Porter destroyer was ruthlessly rammed by a Japanese tanker (August 2012). The fire on the Miami nuclear submarine during its scheduled repair at the Portsmouth shipyard (May 2012). The Guardian minesweeper was stuck on reefs in the Tubbataha Nature Park on Philippines (January 17, 2013), Frigate Taylor didn’t stay on course and ran aground in the area of ​​Turkish Samsun (February 12, 2014). Fire at the stern of the Sullivans missile destroyer 2015. Fire on the flagship of the Sixth Fleet Mount Whitney ”during the repair and modernization in Croatia (July 31, 2015), the air defense of the cruiser“ Chancellorsville ”failed to simulate an anti-ship missile. Drone BQM-74 "Keklik" flew through the layered air defense system and crashed into a superstructure, the bay filled with burning kerosene. This is just what was on this site, in fact there are much more stories. It is interesting to hear the opinion of American expert Brian Clark on this matter.

[Ugolek]

We are a land power, therefore, as it is not offensive to sailors, the fleet will be THERE.

A country with access to two oceans, two seas, in principle, cannot be a land power. We are not a sea power from eternal poverty and foolishness in the head of our rulers.

[ALEx NIXon]

The shores of Russia are washed by 12 seas belonging to the basins of 3 oceans - the Atlantic (Baltic, Black, Azov seas), the Arctic (Barents, White, Kara, Laptev, East Siberian, Chukchi), Pacific (Bering, Okhotsk, Japanese) and landless The Caspian Sea. The length of the sea borders of Russia is 38 km. It also has maritime borders with the United States and Japan.
TOTAL 13!

[earloop]

The navy's trouble is probably that there were few "sighted" sailors of different ranks, but there were and still are many "blind" ones!