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In the US, pointed to the main sign of the degradation of the Russian fleet

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Russian ships going on a long voyage accompanied by tugboats are a symbolic evidence of the main problem of the Russian military fleetleads Lenta.ru report opinion of American expert Brian Clark.




He recalled several accidents that had occurred in recent decades, including the disaster of the Kursk submarine, incidents with Admiral Kuznetsov, and shipyard fires.

According to the expert, this entire series of accidents leads to the only conclusion ”- the Russian Navy has a maintenance problem. There are a number of ships that have never sailed without tugs. Among them is the aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.

He noted that military equipment without a major overhaul can only serve the first 25 years. According to him, Russia cannot service outdated ships due to the lack of components needed for replacement, access to which is currently difficult, or their production is simply impossible.

Clark added that the situation when warships are accompanied by towing equipment has become standard for Russia, and this should be a lesson for the rest of the world.

In turn, Russian military expert Alexei Leonkov pointed out the problems of the American fleet.

According to him, the situation with the American aircraft carriers, which began to appear less and less in the oceans, is similar to the situation in the Air Force, where the 60% of the fleet requires urgent repairs. The expert believes that the aircraft carrying giants will soon become a thing of the past.

This, in his opinion, will happen for three reasons: firstly, the cost of operation of aging ships, which lose their combat effectiveness from repair to repair, is constantly rising; secondly, the level of combat effectiveness of new ships, compared with the cost of production, increases slightly; Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.

He noted that the situation with aircraft carriers can be viewed as the beginning of a systemic crisis of the US military-industrial complex. If we add here the information that Americans are also lagging behind in the development of EW facilities, new ICBMs and hypersonic weaponsthe signs of the decline of the US defense industry are clearly visible, the expert believes.
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  1. dr.star75
    dr.star75 1 November 2018 16: 42
    +39
    Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.
    1. Kontora
      Kontora 1 November 2018 16: 49
      -5
      Quote: dr.star75
      Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

      Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
      But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.
      1. Arh
        Arh 1 November 2018 17: 07
        +16
        I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!
        1. GibSoN
          GibSoN 1 November 2018 21: 22
          -8
          I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!
          Extremely one-sided position. Just think, what are the differences between the Russian Federation and the United States ?! The girl was not divided? Sweetie? Business interests? It's all nonsense! How many full-fledged wars have there been between the Russian Federation and the USA for the entire time of existence? Directly, in fact, not one! Even when the US invaded our territory, they completely dumped without any difficulties! In a global sense, ideology and religion are important! All wars are somehow tied to this. Now imagine really, who and what benefit can be from the possession of Russia ?! The stereotype that the United States is our main enemy is essentially historically imposed! Since the enemy is the most relevant. But it was a long time ago. Now, there are more obvious threats. The same China is developing simply at an incredible pace and having all the necessary capabilities ... But we are stubbornly continuing the party line! USA, our enemy! The USA itself does not know what to do so as not to lose influence because of China! The Russian Federation, in addition to guns and show-offs, does not threaten the United States. From the word at all! Everything else is trifles, at the level did not share the parking with a neighbor.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 1 November 2018 21: 46
            +11
            Quote: GibSoN
            I don’t care in the USA, let Europe rust yourself, the main thing is that we would keep ourselves in shape !!!
            In a global sense, ideology and religion are important! All wars are somehow tied to this.

            What? : DDDDD all wars are tied to land and resources, remove the pink glasses comrade.
            1. kolyhalovs
              kolyhalovs 2 November 2018 05: 33
              0
              Earth is a resource.
            2. GibSoN
              GibSoN 2 November 2018 19: 56
              -1
              all wars are tied to land and resources
              You think very narrowly. For a person who will fight and is ready to give his life, such as land and resources in itself, does not represent special value. But if you let him know that this is really very important for him, then yes! But this is an ideology! Since this is the same person, all the same, he will never own 1% not this land, not its resources! But those for whom .. Well, something like that.
          2. PalBor
            PalBor 1 November 2018 22: 48
            +6
            We did not appoint them as our enemy. It is the Americans who are building the various triads of the main threats in which Russia is certainly present.
            Without Heartland, there is no world domination.
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 1 November 2018 17: 14
        -4
        The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus. But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.
        1. SSR
          SSR 1 November 2018 17: 50
          +10
          Quote: dr.star75
          The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus. But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

          Regarding the nuclear submarine, it's not so simple, they have more, in some ways better and in some ways worse, but talking about "dreams" is nothing for you, but our fleet puffs and puffs, while the engines are mastered, a lot of water will leak, the brothers were all fed orders.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 04
            -1
            we are lost in the quality (noise) of our nuclear submarines, both in quantity and in armament with missiles. I’ll keep silent about deployability.
            1. Igoresha
              Igoresha 1 November 2018 18: 07
              -5
              Quote: dr.star75
              we are lost in the quality (noise) of our nuclear submarines, both in quantity and in armament with missiles. I’ll keep silent about deployability.

              if the quantity is bad, the USSR has always taken this and managed to survive
              1. denart50
                denart50 1 November 2018 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: Igoresha
                if the quantity is bad, the USSR has always taken this and could survive


                Minus - from me precisely for this phrase ... In the Soviet submarine fleet there were many, along with negative, and positive ... And "jokes" in this case are not appropriate ...
                1. Igoresha
                  Igoresha 1 November 2018 18: 34
                  -4
                  what jokes are there, compare the number of air forces of the Red Army and Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 1 November 2018 23: 16
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              I’ll keep silent about deployability.

              You rightly noticed ... BETTER SILENCE - you will marry a knowing one!
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 November 2018 18: 02
          +11
          Quote: dr.star75
          The fact that our fleet is reborn is certainly a plus.

          Do you see much rebirth when we build MAPLs for 10 years, and corvettes for 7 years? A great revival of the fleets, when we do not build above surface ships of the second rank and then with a stump deck.
          The fleet is being financed according to the residual, what kind of revival are we talking about? Submarine with VNEU made and where is this VNEU. Varshavyanka modernized, and riveted. But nothing that this project is still Soviet times? We trudge on the backlog and heritage of the USSR. What kind of rebirth to the Devil when the loss of ships exceeds the arrival of new ones? What are you talking about, dear?
          Quote: dr.star75
          But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

          And why should we chase the United States by the number of nuclear submarines? They are hegemons all over their heads and everywhere strive to establish their order.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 10
            -4
            Quote: NEXUS
            And why should we chase the United States by the number of nuclear submarines? They are hegemons all over their heads and everywhere strive to establish their order.

            And for the fact that SGA overlaid us along the borders with its pro, and our MBRs will be shot down at the start. here we need apl, on duty in the oceans. for return volley
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 1 November 2018 18: 15
              +12
              Quote: dr.star75
              And for the fact that SGA overlaid us along the borders with its pro, and our MBRs will be shot down at the start. here we need apl, on duty in the oceans. for return volley

              So that you understand, then it is the NUCLEAR TRIAD, so that not only with the submarines they can shoot at the adversary. This is the United States an ocean power, and we are a CONTINENTAL COUNTRY. Do you understand the difference?
              If we begin to build nuclear submarines at the same pace and in the same amount as mattresses, you will forgive me, without pants. Top idiocy get involved in a DIRECT arms race with the United States. They have stupid money more. And for the United States, 8 Boreas with 16 ICBMs on each and Dolphins with the Sineves will be enough. Or do you need to destroy, in the event of a nuclear conflict, the United States 15 times?
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 24
                -1
                From our nuclear triad, you can safely delete the air one. It is unlikely to even take off. Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike". all hope is only for the APL
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 1 November 2018 18: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  From our nuclear triad, you can safely cross out the air.

                  Seriously? That is, intelligence, analytics, etc. is it just that, for show? Monitoring the situation for the concentration of enemy forces, reconnaissance data on the plans of the adversary, etc., gives us time to prepare and raise the same strategists into the air.
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike".

                  Wow ... that is, mobile systems with nuclear weapons do not count? And the same mine with the Voivode must still be covered, so that the rocket does not fly out later. By the way, do you understand the difference between the ANSWERING RESPONSE and the RESPONSE-MEETING expressions? M ... read our doctrine. There the concept of ANSWERING-MEETING is clearly indicated. That is, not waiting for their rockets to land on our land.
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 42
                    -9
                    Well, calm down! I understand what you are talking about. First: the mobile systems we have. the first and second are very vulnerable, there are very few of them. to fool America. Well, the area of ​​their patrol is very limited. just falls under the defeat of a vigorous bomb.
                2. denart50
                  denart50 1 November 2018 18: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: dr.star75

                  From our nuclear triad, you can safely delete the air one. It is unlikely to even take off. Ground will be the first target of the so-called "disarming strike". all hope is only for the APL


                  What is surprising is that you have neither minuses nor pluses ...
                  But your first phrase is real ... Somehow people do not try to think about the fact that, say, for example, Engels airbase - has long been known to everyone, and to think up options that impede its work has been a topical business for all years ... Well, the Tu-160 pair flies at this moment, it is barraging around a certain perimeter ... Who will guarantee that it (them) has nuclear weapons on board instead of mock-ups? No one ...
                  And at this time, a massive blow is being struck at Engels airbase ... And there is no need for nuclear weapons ... It’s simple - to damage the runway ...
                  Somehow on the map and KShU this - does not look real ...
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 51
                    0
                    Everyone wants to eat up on the best!
                  2. Flyer_64
                    Flyer_64 1 November 2018 22: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: denart50
                    And at this time a massive blow is being inflicted on Engels airbase ..

                    Well, in the first place, events called withdrawal from attack in the areas of dispersal are being held. And secondly, the Engels division has a number of alternate aerodromes; it will not strike at all.
                  3. Valery U.
                    Valery U. 2 November 2018 01: 54
                    0
                    Well, probably a military airfield is not Sheremetyevo. Probably it is not covered by the latest model of air defense, especially if the AO is stored there.
          2. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 1 November 2018 22: 33
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            when does the loss of ships exceed the arrival of new ones?

            Is there statistics ?? Facts on the table.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 1 November 2018 22: 55
              +1
              Quote: Letun_64
              Is there statistics ?? Facts on the table.

              Here is an excerpt from an article of one ... read ... I’ll leave a link below ... further, if you want to delve into statistics until 2018, dig yourself on the internet. There is no time to do this now ... but believe me, there are more quantitatively fewer ships, than growth. Both in terms of tonnage and quality.
              So now we can put the final scores. We repeat, the previously made discoveries and add new ones.

              Russia lost about 1200 thousand tons of displacement of modern ships, 85% of which fell on the era of Yeltsin’s rule. At the same time, construction was reduced 5-8 times. As a result, the fleet lost a significant share of combat effectiveness and stopped updating. The USA utilized only about 300 thousand tons of modern ships' displacement and reduced the construction of new ones by about 30%, due to which the size of their fleet is reduced very slowly, and updating with an infusion of fresh blood never stopped.

              In addition to this, we can now also claim that 254 ships and submarines under the age of 25 years, which still had significant potential, were subjected to forced destruction. This loss of the most valuable units is actually a crime against the country's defense.

              https://army-news.ru/2017/03/floty-rossii-i-ssha-statistika-unichtozheniya-chast-3/
              1. Flyer_64
                Flyer_64 1 November 2018 23: 03
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                Here is an excerpt from one article

                These are statistics of the last century. The ship’s composition only the Black Sea Fleet is growing, CFL too, it’s bad that only ships of rank 3 and 2 are building, but they are building.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 1 November 2018 23: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: Letun_64
                  These are statistics of the last century. The ship’s composition only the Black Sea Fleet is growing, CFL too, it’s bad that only ships of rank 3 and 2 are building, but they are building.

                  The Black Sea Fleet is growing for one reason, because before the accession of Crimea, we could not replenish it. As for decommissioned ships, it is only Sarycha’s decommissioned, if I remember 9 boards! and 4 were handed over to China. We apparently didn’t need them. There are only 2 Sarychs in our fleets. As well as aircraft carriers. Now it’s out of date ... How many years have the Atlant project ships been around? 40. Orlans are not young either. In addition to decommissioning, there is also obsolescence of ships. Modernization is slow. It is enough to look at how the Pike-Bs are modernized. The main caliber in the form of Grenades is removed from them. That is, in fact, only torpedoes and this is not Physics with Predators.
                  Continue? I repeat, the decline and obsolescence of warships is greater than what is being built new. And at times.
                  1. Flyer_64
                    Flyer_64 2 November 2018 23: 03
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Continue?

                    Well, what is the degradation of the fleet? Here is the attitude of the Defense Ministry and the government to the fleet. And immediately another question. What is easier to re-equip for money? Shoigu was already biting with OSK about the cost of the work, how it ended, the world. And if you have something to do with the Moscow Region, you should know that from the year 93 onwards, the current year in the troops there are orphaned ones every second year. And first of all, ships under prolonged repair or sludge fell under them. Therefore, before hait, you need to know the subject.
              2. sogdy
                sogdy 2 November 2018 06: 41
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                https://army-news.ru/2017/03/floty-rossii-i-ssha-statistika-unichtozheniya-chast-3/

                We go to "About the site"
                at the very end of the text "Site statistics is available at the link: http://metrika.yandex.ru/stat/?id=2055979" - we look, we are worried.
                According to the article - author / Alexey Polyakov, topwar.ru/

                Nexus, adnaka circular link?
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 1 November 2018 18: 31
          +4
          Quote: dr.star75
          But the fact that our nuclear submarines are at the US level is still a dream.

          And what do you have to do with the submarine fleet?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 52
            -1
            Do you have?
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 1 November 2018 21: 27
              +6
              Quote: dr.star75
              Do you have?

              Jew?
        4. sogdy
          sogdy 2 November 2018 06: 17
          0
          Quote: dr.star75
          Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

          Quote: 5
          Russian ships going on a long voyage accompanied by tugboats are a symbolic evidence of the main problem of the Russian navy, Lenta.ru quoted the opinion of American expert Brian Clark.

          If the latter is the expert’s opinion, then what is he right about?
          Ships are required to leave only with tugboats.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 1 November 2018 17: 17
        +5
        Quote: Kontora
        Right of course but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
        But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.

        Is any of those present against? You know that the budget of 2018 (for Russia) was set up at a cost of oil of $ 40 / barrel. Despite the fact that the cost of oil has increased from the beginning of the year to $ 70-80 / barrel, which ranges from 75 to 100%, the duty on the export of raw materials has increased from 01.10.2018 to $ 152 per ton, and before that it was $ 137,5 per ton, which in percentage terms was only 10%. Despite the fact that the Russian Federation exports about 250 million tons (2017 million tons in 252,637), which at the planned cost of $ 40 is just something - $ 62 ... But with an increase in the price of oil, this figure almost doubles ... Guess from one time, where they will go if they increase the duty by 893% 081% of the $ 760? belay
        You just don’t say, it was someone of their gods who sent our oligarchs a profit increase and an increase in capital ... I won’t believe it ... No.
        And just imagine how many ships can be built with this money for our Navy, if the price of the most expensive American aircraft carrier is $ 11 billion. And in our case, the stash was $ 55 billion. fellow wassat
        Sometimes, in order for a new life to appear (a revival has occurred), you need to finish the old ... But !!! stop Perhaps you have other ways and you know other methods ...
        soldier
        1. Random
          Random 1 November 2018 17: 27
          +12
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Guess once, where, with a 10% increase in duty, will 90% of the $ 62 go?

          Are you trying to "encroach" on .. "sacred"? wassat bully wink drinks
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 1 November 2018 18: 22
            +3
            Quote: Random
            Are you trying to "encroach" on .. "sacred"?

            Serega, hi. hi
            Yachts, summer residences, cars, planes of the oligarchs, of course, yes, but ... do you know that a country that allocates more than 2% for armaments is de facto at war? as a percentage of defense funds. And then ask yourself the question: are we now in peacetime?
            1. Random
              Random 2 November 2018 09: 14
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Now do not be lazy and take a look at the countries, who and how much allocates a percentage of funds for the defense industry.

              And why be lazy ... in the morning you open any economic "newspaper" and look ... baa all the new "members" of the Forbes list or the payment of a lot ...... bonuses and parachutes .... and so ..yes ... are we "spending on defense"?
              I did not pay attention ... in what composition did Merkel flew to the dill? And ... we will not point the finger .... but it costs money ... well, etc. wassat
              I already wrote that "thank you" Mihiko for .. "shook" a little ... "tandem" to understand that there is practically nothing to fight and defend with ... at least "think" and started doing something, and so ... and continued to sit ...
              By the way, are you aware of our new ship, which was arrested in Mariupol? ... Here is your whole answer and ... about "politics" and ... "defense" wassat crying soldier
              Well and .. good morning .. of course drinks
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 2 November 2018 13: 14
                +1
                Quote: Random
                Well and .. good morning .. of course

                Good morning, friend. drinks
                Quote: Random
                By the way, are you aware of our new ship, which was arrested in Mariupol? ... Here is your whole answer and ... about "politics" and ... "defense"

                You know how to spoil your mood in the morning, Serge. what recourse
                1. Random
                  Random 2 November 2018 14: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  You know how to spoil your mood in the morning, Serge.

                  Well then, come on .. "raise" wink drinks your mood laughing
                  And here from the morning I was delivered a "present", right from Yelizovo ..... even "running" more .... "seafood" wassat
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 2 November 2018 15: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Random
                    Well then, come on .. "lift" your mood
                    And here from the morning I was delivered a "present", right from Yelizovo ..... even "running" more .... "seafood"

                    Oh, you pterodactyl is cunningly made ... it means there uses the Pacific crab, and here it sits scribbling about how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe. wassat

                    laughing
                    1. Random
                      Random 2 November 2018 15: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      .on that means there he uses the Pacific crab, and here he sits scribbling about how spaceships plow the expanses of the universe

                      laughing laughing laughing wider, it’s necessary, Andrey .. or wider fellow as they say, don’t have a hundred rubles, but have 100 friends fellow
                      And "military life" must always be "lived in such a way" so that you are always remembered and not forgotten, and you yourself were not "ashamed of ....." aimlessly " lol... "past years" fellow drinks soldier
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2018 15: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        wider, it’s necessary, Andrey .. or wider, as they say, don’t have a hundred rubles, but have 100 friends

                        Not so ... it is necessary for people wider, and the problem is deeper to see. wassat It was 100 rubles in the USSR money, and now even two in a hundred does not make people happy. laughing
                        Quote: Random
                        And "military life" must always be "lived like this"

                        Well, that is, that is ... you why the feathery then what to complain? wink A noble crab, a beer, and on Friday ... eh ... razedered, infection. drinks
                      2. Random
                        Random 2 November 2018 16: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        , for a beer, yes on Friday ... eh ... distracted, the infection

                        Yes, that's just me .. "nizya" crying Well, no way ... and my wife is not in solidarity with me negative still 40 years together wink
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2018 16: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        still 40 years together

                        Nothing, you will survive to the diamond ... you will not get anywhere. drinks
                      4. Random
                        Random 2 November 2018 16: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Nothing, you will live to see a diamond.

                        With your lips ... yeah honey drink fellow drinks good
                      5. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2018 17: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        With your lips ... yeah honey drink

                        And you have a tail with your gun and don’t let out the chassis. drinks
                      6. Random
                        Random 2 November 2018 17: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And you have a tail with your gun and don’t let out the chassis.

                        Got it, doing it soldier let's go kick it fellow uryakalok "on .." the success of Rosoboronexport wassat
                      7. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2018 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        let's go "kick" uryakalok "on .." successes of Rosoboronexport "

                        Yes, I watch few of them nonche ... maybe they hibernated, or flew south ... wassat
                      8. Random
                        Random 2 November 2018 17: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Yes, I watch few of them nonche ... maybe they hibernated, or flew south ...

                        Yes, nooo, just for all their "urya-voices and plans" such .. "pluzhi" fly, that ... it's a shame, probably lol therefore and ... skerry wassat
                      9. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 2 November 2018 17: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        Yes, nooo, just for all their "urya-voices and plans" such .. "pluzhi" fly, that ... it's a shame, that's probably why ...

                        Yes, I’ve climbed into a branch about F-35 ... I’m sitting, reading, and educating myself on smoking cigarette. repeat
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 1 November 2018 17: 57
          +2
          cut the pie - the military share of the budget is just over 4%. Enough to sew a new uniform, and on the admiral’s boat with the girls
      4. Elephant
        Elephant 1 November 2018 17: 22
        -1
        Submarine level? Only the noise level, from among modern samples, so we have 10 dB. higher. Perhaps that is why they are terribly afraid ...
        1. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 1 November 2018 22: 46
          +4
          Quote: Elephant
          at 10 dB. higher

          I wonder what sources of information?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 2 November 2018 06: 47
            0
            Quote: Letun_64
            I wonder what sources of information?

            Judging by the author (Elephant) - from Ukrainian.
        2. region58
          region58 3 November 2018 07: 24
          0
          Quote: Elephant
          at 10 dB. higher

          That figure is when the decibels and times match. Want to say that our boats are 10 times noisier? Come on...
      5. Ryzhik
        Ryzhik 1 November 2018 17: 46
        -4
        Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
        But our submarines are still at a level and the USA is terribly afraid of them

        Is that sarcasm? If yes, then the standings.
      6. Adimius38
        Adimius38 1 November 2018 20: 24
        +1
        in the USA, the last launched submarines are no worse than ours, but besides this, they can afford to launch them as much as they need, unlike Russia, where we scrub the whole country on one submarine
      7. Campanella
        Campanella 1 November 2018 20: 39
        +2
        Everything will be reborn, but apparently not under this power. She has a split personality, on the one hand, the economy must be boosted, and on the other, not at her own expense ... Therefore, they always talk about investments. To them who should build and launch everything, and then they will together report on the work done. But alas, the fools are dumb! Therefore, we sit in a known place, trample the bottom.
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        2. Ryzhik
          Ryzhik 1 November 2018 21: 59
          +2
          trample the bottom

          it would be more accurate to say "breaking through the next bottom". Just like a crane deck.
        3. Valery U.
          Valery U. 2 November 2018 02: 04
          0
          Under socialism they build on their own, under capitalism they build on investment. However, we live in a world. We are not China. An attracted foreign investor, having invested money here, will try to sell products here and there. Along the way, protecting his enterprise there. So everything is logical.
      8. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 1 November 2018 20: 44
        0
        Quote: Kontora
        Quote: dr.star75
        Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

        Of course, they are right, but this does not mean that our fleet will not be reborn! This is a matter of principle and time.
        But our submarines are still at the level and the USA is terribly afraid of them.

        Yeah, from the ashes? Nobody will be reborn from the ashes
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 1 November 2018 22: 45
          +1
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Yeah, from the ashes? Nobody will be reborn from the ashes

          From the ashes, the Phoenix will be reborn.
    2. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 16: 57
      +3
      Doc, what is the right striped expert?
      Ships in the campaign are not accompanied by raid tugs.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 1 November 2018 17: 11
        +9
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        Doc, what is the right striped expert?

        The fact that we do not have: 1. aircraft carriers;
        2. frigates
        3 destroyers
        4. Infrastructure for basing aircraft carriers.
        5. We build only a coastal fleet hi
        1. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 17: 25
          +3
          He smiled, list what we don’t have yet and no one knows about it.
          We go on what is. And not with screaming, everything was lost, etc.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 1 November 2018 17: 38
            +7
            Pump up boats and go on them, and be proud that we have an ocean fleet that has no analogues in the world. And in the article, the American wrote that the Russian fleet had degraded. Write a refutation of what he is wrong.
            1. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 17: 54
              +6
              Why do I need to pump boats, and so I work for them. The Navy’s base is people, for the last 5 years I haven’t seen a single drunken officer on ships, and you’re talking about degradation.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 00
                +11
                Well, when officers thump in the service, it’s not the degradation of the fleet, but the degradation of the country. And so, in our entire fleet, Kuzya, 2 missile cruisers, and Petya remained half-dead. And whose submarines are not thick. Is this not degradation?
                1. VALERIK_097
                  VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 18: 06
                  +3
                  Kuzya, Petya, you can’t do that about ships.
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 55
                    +1
                    And don’t give money to the fleet - it’s possible! If this is the only problem, I can read out all the regalia of both Petit and Kuzi!
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 1 November 2018 18: 19
              -1
              Quote: dr.star75
              And in the article, the American wrote that the Russian fleet had degraded. Write a refutation of what he is wrong.

              It is high time to build spaceships, and we all wave the oars, the time of the surface fleet as the main striking force is long gone.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 1 November 2018 18: 58
                +4
                We don’t even wave oars, and soon we will be releasing sailboats. there are no engines!
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella 1 November 2018 20: 49
                  +2
                  We already have a canoe deuce ... For about 20 years they have been rowing for the good of the Motherland they can’t rake out!)))
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 1 November 2018 23: 36
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                the time of the surface fleet as the main striking force is long gone.

                Nothing that two-thirds of the planet’s surface is water?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 2 November 2018 20: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Nothing that two-thirds of the planet’s surface is water?

                  So what? Are you not embarrassed that people do not live on these two-thirds of the surface of the planet?
                  Deep space - this is 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 in the period from the volume of the universe - means you need to build a space fleet and it is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more important than the sea.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 1 November 2018 17: 31
          0
          Chet, I did not understand why advertising was stuck in my post ???
      2. The black
        The black 1 November 2018 17: 15
        +21
        In addition to the unfinished (so far) naval base in Syria, the Russian fleet, unlike the American one, has virtually no base points of support at remote oceanic theaters of operations. Which he is forced to partially compensate for by the constant inclusion of towing, supply and even repair ships in his combat squadrons.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 1 November 2018 17: 31
          +8
          And the most interesting thing is that the Soviet fleet also went and also built sea tugs and carried them with them.
      3. Random
        Random 1 November 2018 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        Ships in the campaign are not accompanied by raid tugs.

        Ours, yes, but in the "enemy's" fleet are tugs also on campaigns? wink
        Here's an example: A detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet as part of the Boyky and Soobrazitelny corvettes, the Cola tanker and naval tug SB-123 entered combat service to the Mediterranean on April 7th. belay , i.e. and the attack ... with a tug? belay
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 1 November 2018 17: 59
          +3
          Quote: Random
          those. and the attack ... with a tug? belay

          this is to take prisoners yes
        2. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 18: 01
          +4
          Read the post: Black Today, 17:15
          Everything on the topic, nothing to add.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 1 November 2018 18: 21
          +4
          Quote: Random
          Ours, yes, but in the "enemy's" fleet are tugs also on campaigns?

          You have already been answered before
          Quote: Black
          In addition to the unfinished (so far) naval base in Syria, the Russian fleet, unlike the American one, has virtually no base points of support at remote oceanic theaters of operations. Which he is forced to partially compensate for by the constant inclusion of towing, supply and even repair ships in his combat squadrons.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 1 November 2018 18: 27
            +2
            Well, the tug doesn’t hurt these corvettes, the engines have already broken down, the smart one was even on a visit to the Danes
          2. Random
            Random 2 November 2018 08: 52
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            almost no base points of support

            Remember the good old Russian proverb? Well, this one ... about "you can't .... don't torture ..." wassat
            And ask yourself a question ... where did all our bases and TVET go? I hope you do not need to present the list?
            Immediately writing " fellow -arguments "like" there is no money "," there was a difficult situation "," we believed, but we were deceived "... are not accepted ... IMHO.
            And yes, by the way, country 404 "arrested" our next ship wassat Questions are still ....? soldier
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 2 November 2018 21: 01
              0
              Quote: Random
              Immediately I write "-arguments" like "no money", "there was a difficult situation", "we believed, but we were deceived" ... are not accepted ... IMHO.

              Well, of course, you are not ready to discuss inconvenient arguments - but who would doubt it.
              Quote: Random
              And ask yourself a question ... where did all our bases and TVET go?

              Let me remind you with what creak the pension reform is going. Our people at the moment are not ready to sacrifice anything for the army.
              1. Random
                Random 2 November 2018 21: 17
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                Well, of course, you are not ready to discuss inconvenient arguments

                What to discuss? "No money left"? "She ... drowned"? ".. We were deceived again"?
                What's the point in this .. "discussion"? request
                Quote: Setrac
                Let me remind you with what creak the pension reform is going.

                I am generally amazed that she ... although somehow it goes, but ... "goof ... this is fate" wassat
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 3 November 2018 18: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Random
                  What to discuss? "No money left"? "She ... drowned"? ".. We were deceived again"?

                  That is, you completely ignore the difference in the economic and human potential of Russia and the North Atlantic Alliance? Is this irrelevant for you?
                  Quote: Random
                  I am generally amazed that she ... although somehow it goes, but ... "goof ... this is fate"

                  Exactly so - our state is a "goof", which has assumed the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population.
                  1. Random
                    Random 3 November 2018 19: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Exactly so - our state is a "goof", which has assumed the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population.

                    wassat
                    Are you serious???? "A fee of 8 do you call ... a" pension "? ... Who do you" soar "to ..." brains "..." we are not on delivery "... wassat (phrase from the movie Shirley-_Myrli).
                    I will not give many examples ... I will argue with the "Vedrosovskys" ... not respect myself wassat
                    So in "not beloved Israel", a person who has worked for less than 10 years (work experience) does not receive a pension, but will receive an old-age social benefit - 105 rubles, with our money ... so ... ...Goodbye hi
                    And yes ... I now remember the times when we had both POTENTIAL and ECONOMY ..... and you ??? From the podium "Bucket" you can only see .. "your own gingerbread"? bully
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 3 November 2018 22: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Random
                      Are you serious???? "A fee of 8 do you call ... a" pension "? ... Who do you" soar "to ..." brains "..." we are not on delivery "...

                      I don’t know from which Mars you fell, but our whole country lives like this - a salary of 15-20 thousand per month, and a pension of 8-10 thousand is a lot.
                      Quote: Random
                      And yes ... I now remember the times when we had both POTENTIAL and ECONOMY ..... and you ??? From the podium "Bucket" you can only see .. "your own gingerbread"?

                      When we had potential, there were four hundred million of us, and the Union was not breaking up "buckets" at all.
                      Quote: Random
                      So in "not beloved Israel", a person who has worked for less than 10 years (work experience) does not receive a pension, but will receive an old-age social benefit - 105 rubles, with our money ... so ... ...Goodbye

                      Nobody is holding you in Russia - go to Israel.
                      1. Random
                        Random 3 November 2018 23: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        a salary of 15-20 thousand per month, and a pension of 8-10 thousand is a lot.

                        So you have already decided ... or everyone lives like that or ... "the state .... has taken on the responsibility for social and pension protection of the population." wassat
                        What.." fellow run out of arguments? "
                        .
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Nobody is holding you in Russia - go to Israel.

                        Or maybe it is you .. (all "shobla") dump from our country? wassat
                        What ... there is nothing to answer ... except ... "slogans"? So for 18 years .. have already "heard enough" for the most ... "I can't" wassat
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 00: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Random
                        So you have already decided ... or everyone lives like that or ... "the state ...

                        It is not necessary to decide here - they do not contradict each other.
                        Quote: Random
                        Or maybe it is you .. (all "shobla") dump from our country?

                        You are the one who whines what a bad country we have - so bring it down to the "good" one. You have where to blame, but we do not.
                      3. Random
                        Random 4 November 2018 00: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        This is you whining what is our bad country

                        So bring down you, who made her so ... and we, without you, will do everything right soldier
                        And do not advise me what to do, otherwise I will advise you on something ... go wassat
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 4 November 2018 00: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Random
                        So bring down you, who made her so ... and we, without you, will do everything right

                        It was you who made our country like that, you, not us. You are those who dream of pensions of 100 rubles, lace panties and visa-free travel with the EU. And at the expense of whom you will be paid a pension - you absolutely do not care, the psychology of parasites.
                        Quote: Random
                        And do not advise me what to do, otherwise I will advise you on something ... go

                        Well, advise yourself and go - no one is holding.
        4. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 1 November 2018 20: 43
          +2
          SB is a rescue tug. If NATO does not go with such attendants, then this means that they have all this service organized otherwise. Is it true that in the NATO countries the fleets do not even have support vessels ?? It is doubtful.
          What is in their place? Allied ports network? (which is already more believable)
      4. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 1 November 2018 20: 50
        +6
        By and large, tugs are escorted not because our ships are more susceptible to breakdowns (of course, this is also the reason due to dilapidation), but because there is no infrastructure along the route. Let us recall how the ports refused to call for replenishment of supplies during the last cruise of the squadron led by the aircraft carrier .In the event of a breakdown of the same "Admiral Kuznetsov" in the English Channel, frogs and naglobritts would rather let him crash on the shore than send tugs. This will be just a gift, in the current situation, for the enemies of Russia.
    3. lucul
      lucul 1 November 2018 16: 58
      -7
      Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

      Russia is simply not allowed to have its own fleet. We recall - even under Stalin, linear ships were blown up (Novorossiysk, etc.)
      Hinting, build - we'll blow up anyway. And the recent "attempt" on "Admiral Kuznetsov" is a fresh example of this.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 1 November 2018 17: 26
        0
        A backward, flawed economy does not allow a modern fleet.
      2. faiver
        faiver 1 November 2018 19: 20
        +6
        even under Stalin, linear ships were blown up (Novorossiysk, etc.)
        - Nothing that Stalin has been alive for two years? 1955year hi
    4. Mih1974
      Mih1974 1 November 2018 17: 01
      +4
      Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 1 November 2018 17: 10
        0
        and there are blacks lynching
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 1 November 2018 17: 13
          +6
          Google about their "Zumvolts" laughing laughing , until they die in the Panama Canal, then immediately after leaving the dock, etc. And by the way, the Americans from 11 aviks can never send EVERYTHING on a hike - more than half of them are always under repair, which often does not allow them to roll off the pier. And honestly I'm not sure that their support for the Avik is not designed for its "towing", in my gut I sense that someone there initially has a cable. There were also accidents and all kinds of things - whether he himself spanked the Mericosia on foot, figurines, someone from the escort took in tow and dragged. tongue
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 1 November 2018 18: 51
            -4
            Well, this changes everything, so the Russian Navy can also walk on the rusty troughs of the Soviet post
      2. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 November 2018 18: 47
        +6
        Quote: Mih1974
        Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))

        Just two days ago, some American ship nearly sank, not reaching the training site in Norway.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 2 November 2018 00: 44
          +2
          Well, what are you so - not "nearly sank" but "suddenly made a geographical discovery" good laughing laughing "discovered" new rocks in the Atlantic))
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 2 November 2018 04: 30
          0
          Quote: Bulls.
          Quote: Mih1974
          Well, we have at least the old equipment with tugs, and the NOVELTIES of them only die out of the dock))

          Just two days ago, some American ship nearly sank, not reaching the training site in Norway.

          Well, firstly, not a ship, but a ship; secondly, not Norway, but Iceland; thirdly, he got to the exercises and landed troops in a storm off the Icelandic coast. Well, and "did not nearly sink", but received damage to the dock chamber from the impact of lcs.
          And so everything is correct
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 2 November 2018 07: 09
            0
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Firstly,

            airborne transport
            Quote: Tlauicol
            в-третьих,

            violated the charter of the port when calling. There was not a word about the "landing".
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 1 November 2018 17: 23
      +4
      Began measuring ends, who are thicker, but longer, during the war, all rustle will lead even with tugs even without tugs. In fact, the usual chatter from both enemy sides, each trolls the other from the series "himself such" laughing
    6. sir_obs
      sir_obs 1 November 2018 17: 39
      +8
      We just do not. Of the number of bases, which could be a little something, it was possible to go somewhere, as if the Americans were doing it. Do they have any damage? To read Dada open sources, so she’ll catch one after another.
    7. tap
      tap 1 November 2018 17: 44
      +3
      Just the tugs are weakly armed. Kuznetsov covered them.
    8. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 1 November 2018 18: 57
      +5
      Quote: dr.star75
      Online
      dr.star75 (Michael) Today, 16:42 NEW
      +16
      Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too

      Let the American expert look into his garden.
      In November 2016, the first Zumwalt type destroyer was reported to be damaged. Then the newest American destroyer USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) anchored in the Panama Canal due to a breakdown. Malfunctions occurred in the operation of the power plant of the ship. The ship had to be towed. When passing through the channel, the destroyer also hit the gateway wall and received external damage.

      The fire on the Miami American nuclear submarine (NPS), which was being repaired in the dry dock of a military shipyard in Portsmouth (Maine), occurred due to the ignition of a vacuum cleaner used by workers.
    9. venik
      venik 1 November 2018 19: 24
      +5
      Quote: dr.star75
      Unfortunately, the American expert is right. We see it too.

      ===========
      Yah??? Our fleet is certainly not going through the best of times, although the worst ones seem to be behind us ...
      But about the practice of "escorting by tugs" - since the times of the USSR it has gone, for example, when a detachment of Pacific Fleet or Baltic Fleet ships was sent, say, to the Persian Gulf or the Horn of Africa, tugs were almost ALWAYS a part of the detachment !!! And the point here is not only and not so much in the "deplorable technical condition" (after all, there can be not only breakdowns, but also storm damage, landing on stones, collisions, etc., etc.!), But no "a wide network of naval bases around the world" (like the Yankes, for example).
      So that is cunning your Brian Clark !! Oh - disingenuous !!! negative
  2. pillau
    pillau 1 November 2018 16: 43
    +8
    Clark added that the situation when warships are accompanied by towing equipment has become standard for Russia, and this should be a lesson for the rest of the world.

    In turn, Russian military expert Alexei Leonkov pointed out the problems of the American fleet.

    According to him, the situation with the American aircraft carriers, which began to appear less and less in the oceans, is similar to the situation in the Air Force, where the 60% of the fleet requires urgent repairs. The expert believes that the aircraft carrying giants will soon become a thing of the past.

  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 1 November 2018 16: 47
    -6
    Dreaming of amegycos. Everything will be normal, be spock.
    1. adma
      adma 1 November 2018 16: 52
      +7
      Quote: Bulls.
      Everything will be normal


      - Dad, when they say: "Everything will be fine", what is that
      mean?
      - How to explain to you, son. We are all mortal. And you will die one day.
      They’ll put you in a coffin, they will carry you out to the courtyard, they will bring you to
      graves. And now they will tie the coffin with ropes and begin to lower it into the grave. Someone from the workers will command: "This edge is higher, just a little more, turn it, lower it, NOW EVERYTHING IS NORMAL ..."
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 1 November 2018 17: 27
        +2
        Well, to each his own.
        1. adma
          adma 1 November 2018 19: 54
          +2
          Quote: Bulls.
          to each his own.

          The inscription on the gate to the concentration camp Buchenwald.
  4. Kapkan
    Kapkan 1 November 2018 16: 49
    0
    Kuznetsov demanded an urgent test, since such an opportunity appeared. And in fact, do not care, by tug he arrived at the site of the task or on his own. He arrived at the place, completed the task. We received a lot of information on problems from all this action. And then, they are constantly trying to adjust the naming of what is happening in Russia to their own mentality. They just can’t understand that the main thing is to complete the task, and in what way, whether comfortable or not, nobody cares. It’s the same as if the marines or troops were left in the same underpants but with weapons. What are they, from the fact that in some shorts they will no longer perform the task. It would be better for the Amers to take up the training of their seafarers, but the fact that it’s not a month, then a new collision of US military vessels with crashes or barges, falls of f35, and Zyumwalt’s electric eminators still don’t float.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 1 November 2018 16: 55
      +5
      Quote: Kapkan
      He arrived at the place, completed the task

      what task did he fulfill, if not secret?
      Quote: Kapkan
      What are they, from the fact that in some shorts they will no longer perform the task.

      Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet.
      1. Kapkan
        Kapkan 1 November 2018 18: 44
        +2
        Well, if you are asking such questions, then it is clearly visible how close you are even to the military, even to the defense industry. I'm a newbie here, and have not yet decided what local "stars" are here, but I will definitely take a closer look.)
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 1 November 2018 18: 52
          -4
          for some reason I was sure that you could not tell about his task
          1. Kapkan
            Kapkan 1 November 2018 19: 05
            +1
            His tasks are so obvious that I see no reason to procrastinate them. He has not one task, but much more, including resource tests of lifting elevators in combat conditions. Based on these tests, decisions will be made on the design of new aircraft carriers. Rather, they have already been accepted.
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 2 November 2018 11: 13
              0
              It can be seen. The tasks are obvious, but no one can describe them.
              PS testing is not a combat mission
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 2 November 2018 07: 17
        0
        Quote: Henderson
        Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet.

        On this basis, you will refuse to carry out the task and surrender to captivity?
        So the enemy you will not be needed in this form. Say, adnaka.
    2. ALARI
      ALARI 1 November 2018 17: 16
      -1
      If you experienced navigation with a faulty propulsion system, then the tests were carried out brilliantly. But in a combat situation, when there will be opposition from even an equal fleet, how long would it last on a single aircraft carrier on the surface?
  5. IvanT
    IvanT 1 November 2018 16: 49
    +14
    Crap each other and okay. Let's go drink tea.
  6. vadi64
    vadi64 1 November 2018 16: 54
    -5
    Another American nonsense. There is nothing like leather. Well, Mother Russia wants to defame America am . Only from his delirium is not easier for American sailors: they want to live
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 1 November 2018 16: 59
      +3
      And what exactly is nonsense? After all, there’s really little going without tugboats.
      1. jjj
        jjj 1 November 2018 17: 05
        +1
        With a tug - not in tow. So cheaper if that. And also a tanker and a support vessel. You can compare with the United States AUG. That's where the armada is, so the armada
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 1 November 2018 17: 08
          +3
          With a tug means that the sailors themselves do not trust their equipment, which means you can imagine its condition. This is a sign of degradation.
          Well, as if with a tug, it’s still more expensive than without a tug.
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 1 November 2018 17: 15
            +3
            Herman, let's put all the sea tugboats to the wall, why should they go to the seas, do you think so?
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 1 November 2018 18: 52
              -4
              Since when did the tugboat become an ocean vessel?
              1. jjj
                jjj 2 November 2018 12: 56
                +1

                This one, for example, just "Kuzyu" in the twelfth year transported
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 1 November 2018 17: 40
        +10
        Quote: Henderson
        And what exactly is nonsense? After all, there’s really little going without tugboats.

        The nonsense is that tugs are included in the composition of the connection due to problems with the maintenance of ships. The point is not in the technical condition of the ships, but in the absence of basing points around the world in which these tugs stood before.
        In Soviet times, tugs, floating workshops and other floating rear were stationed in the PB or at "points", ensuring the operation of OPESK in a particular area. And now all this rear has to be dragged with you every time.
        The Yankees, with their widest basing system, do not need to carry tugboats with them - all operational formations are almost always within the "radius of assistance" of any of the bases.
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 1 November 2018 18: 53
          -8
          Quote: Alexey RA
          In Soviet times, tugs, floating workshops and other floating rear were stationed in the PB or at "points", ensuring the operation of OPESK in a particular area. And now all this rear has to be dragged with you every time.

          So this is a sign of degradation. They used to do something, now they don’t.
  7. Kerensky
    Kerensky 1 November 2018 16: 55
    +3
    Two experts scolded the fleet. Well, they get paid for it. What is the meaning of the news? Everything is bad? Not at all! The sides go, the tugs dart, things are going ...
    Grandfather Joseph was right - cadres decide everything. And how to prepare personnel? At the wall?
  8. Henderson
    Henderson 1 November 2018 16: 57
    -4
    What does this have to do with ICBMs and hypersonic weapons? From this the pill becomes less bitter chtoli or is it in the style of "but they lynch blacks"?
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 1 November 2018 16: 58
    -4
    He remembered the Kursk submarine ... Our guys themselves ... I would have told him ...
    Otherwise, it's better not to argue with him. And in no case should they be reminded what they have badly and where, to announce "vulnerabilities". Let it be, and let it be more.
    You know, released into the sea during 2 m.v. such ships look like a truck like a truck. And when the Germans surfaced, so as not to waste torpedoes and shoot that truck with guns, the walls of the boxes on the bulk carrier deck reclined and fascists were greeted with automatic guns. Well, let those experts think that our fleet is so unpretentious and let it not really be that way.
  10. Corn
    Corn 1 November 2018 17: 08
    -1
    I don’t understand one thing, what is the problem of putting civil propulsion systems on our warships?
    And let the butut run around the seas not so fast, but reliably and economically (which is very important in peacetime).
    1. Ilya Sukhorukov
      Ilya Sukhorukov 1 November 2018 17: 37
      0
      Kolomenskoye stands on the Bykov GDGD. They work on a screw through a gearbox that increases the speed. Running well. The main resource compared to the Star is 12000/2500 hours.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 November 2018 18: 06
      +4
      Quote: Corn
      I don’t understand one thing, what is the problem of putting civil propulsion systems on our warships?

      The problem is that civilian diesel engines are not designed for the main mode of operation in variable stroke mode. After all, how did the ships - left the port, embarked on a course, picked up speed - and drank it until approaches to the next port. And running around the square in search of submarines and other maneuvering of ships - this is not for ship power plants.
      This is the same as offering to put a propulsion system on the tank from the tractor. smile
  11. Tomich3
    Tomich3 1 November 2018 17: 17
    +1
    yes it’s clear without the Americans, our surface fleet is actually not funded
  12. vladcub
    vladcub 1 November 2018 17: 17
    +1
    In some ways, the American is right: the modernization of ships of the "Kuzi" type is difficult, all the same, the chain of subcontractors that were under the Union was destroyed. On our website, there have been publications more than once that when modernizing ships, it is necessary to re-establish the production of components, because some enterprises remained abroad. And about fires, I also partly agree: a fire at an enterprise, and even a military-industrial complex, NEVER happens without consequences for production. Yes, the fires themselves are a consequence of certain actions or inactions. Maybe I've read and seen enough detective stories, but I ALWAYS do not rule out someone's intent. In our "fashion" of extremes, spy mania is off the charts, that spies at every step seem to be a complete indifference, when everyone has done everything. Ukraine blamed Russia for the explosion of its artillery depots, to the point or not, but they blamed it, and how many exploded in our country.
  13. Jerk
    Jerk 1 November 2018 17: 17
    +3
    Let's figure it out. You simply cannot grab onto all the cuts - we won’t do anything. We are a land power, therefore, as it is not offensive to sailors, the fleet will be THERE. Priority is land and air.
    But the sea must be answered asymmetrically, namely the submarine fleet - we still won’t conquer the sea - geography is in the way
  14. Confectioner
    Confectioner 1 November 2018 17: 27
    0
    Unfortunately, the Russian Navy is only at the recovery stage. Depressing Pts low rate
  15. Ilya Sukhorukov
    Ilya Sukhorukov 1 November 2018 17: 34
    +4
    Sea tugs provide USAR on an object basis, which is quite normal at a great distance from their bases. Tankers are on the heels of the same, need to refuel. Remember how much scream was when our Varshavyanka entered Spain for a gas station. So the cart carries around, I take everything with me ...
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  17. BAI
    BAI 1 November 2018 17: 48
    0
    He noted that the situation with aircraft carriers can be seen as the beginning of a systemic crisis in the US military-industrial complex. If we add here information that the Americans are also lagging behind in the development of electronic warfare systems, new ICBMs and hypersonic weapons, then the signs of a decline in the US defense industry are quite evident.

    The decline of others is not an excuse for their own decline.
  18. HMR333
    HMR333 1 November 2018 17: 51
    +1
    who said that there is an expert ??? pissing rag in the face of such an expert! let the towed irons tell about the rest;
  19. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 1 November 2018 17: 52
    0
    in fact, we ourselves have known this for a long time, it’s another matter that the problems are solved too slowly. And what the American wrote, there’s nothing wrong with the truth, this is the slander of the State Department, the Senate and the US Congress.
  20. HMR333
    HMR333 1 November 2018 17: 58
    +2
    the funniest thing is that the type of ship the tug is designed not only for work in the port))) and it’s strange to complain when the tug goes accompanied by performing its direct tasks!
  21. ashnajder
    ashnajder 1 November 2018 18: 01
    -1
    Kuzya is a pest in general))) drowned the planes, drowned the dock)) it’s easier to build a dozen barges, drag them in tows and collect, if unbearable, near the Syria floating base, twisting them together)))) I’m probably more interested)
  22. New Year day
    New Year day 1 November 2018 18: 08
    -1
    it is what it is. But the question arises, why and for how long will this happen?
  23. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 1 November 2018 18: 08
    -1
    ..we would have their problems))
    In the place of our "expert", I would focus on the PROBLEMS of our Fleet, with regards to its construction and modernization, and not on the "INTENDED" crisis, the American one)))
  24. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 November 2018 18: 25
    0
    The expert believes that aircraft giants will soon be completely gone.
    This, in his opinion, will happen for three reasons: firstly, the cost of operating obsolete ships that lose combat effectiveness from repair to repair is constantly growing; secondly, the level of combat readiness of new ships, compared with the cost of production, increases slightly; thirdly, there are problems with fighter jets.
    Enlighten who in the subject, what kind of problems does the American fleet have with fighter jets?
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 1 November 2018 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Enlighten who in the subject, what kind of problems does the American fleet have with fighter jets?

      He hasn't had them since the Tomkats were all written off.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 1 November 2018 19: 45
        -1
        Yes, but the "Super Hornets" are fairly balanced machines with much better characteristics than the early "Hornets". There you have air combat and strikes on the ground. Probably, they went along the path of a single machine for different tasks. And the next step in this direction these are their F-35s and the widespread use of drones as tankers to increase the patrol zone around the AUG.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 1 November 2018 23: 17
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Yes, but the Super Hornets are fairly balanced vehicles with much better performance than the early Hornets. There you have air combat and ground strikes.

          As an i-b super hornet is quite good, but for an air battle it’s still not an ice.
  25. Vard
    Vard 1 November 2018 18: 25
    +4
    Escort by tugboats ... Probably because if the American ship loses track, they will come to the rescue from the nearest port ... but no one will bother with ours ... out of principle ... That’s safe ...
  26. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 1 November 2018 18: 26
    0
    And what is the problem with amers with deckers, who will chew?
    And then it’s not very clear:
    Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 1 November 2018 19: 06
      -6
      The problem is that the 5th generation of fighters is coming into service. And this is a problem not for amers, but for their opponents.
      1. mvd ru
        mvd ru 1 November 2018 19: 53
        +2
        It’s a pity the flags were canceled, but immediately the hand of the 5th column can be seen ..... German or whatever it is, am
        1. Henderson
          Henderson 2 November 2018 11: 12
          -1
          Ukraine brain?
  27. Bellerophon
    Bellerophon 1 November 2018 19: 06
    +4
    WRITE ON YOURSELF, comrades "great naval commanders" 1. The fleet must be able to carry out TASKS, and not have numbers. TASKS are primary. 2. Funds for re-equipping the fleet must be PROPORTIONAL to the economy. 3. The LAND FORCES, VDV, VKS, SSO are actually fighting now. The fleet only supports them, covers the areas of deployment and communication, displays the flag. The priorities are CLEAR. 4. RUSSIA is a continental power. 5. ALL GOOD, comrades "naval commanders". What a pity that BERLIN in 45 was taken practically WITHOUT YOU,)))))
  28. konstantin68
    konstantin68 1 November 2018 19: 52
    -1
    It seems quite true, unfortunately.
  29. APASUS
    APASUS 1 November 2018 20: 10
    +2
    Such an analysis is, let's say debatable. How then to explain that the coolest and most expensive projects of the USA and Great Britain for their Navy are constantly failing? And the Englishman generally crashed due to warm water overboard. The entire Zumwalt super filling does not save the ship from engine damage.
    There are problems and it’s stupid to deny, but the guys are too lopsided to position everything. They always have all the subtext. When you need to get money - Russians just have super weapons, when you need to prepare yours for war - they are told that we will fight against Neanderthals in broken canoes
  30. Adimius38
    Adimius38 1 November 2018 20: 22
    -2
    while the Americans launch the latest destroyers, Russia launches the rook boats ...
  31. Berkut24
    Berkut24 1 November 2018 20: 23
    +4
    For American experts. Ships break down in all countries. Some have more, some have less, and some even stick out in the port without leaving. BUT!. NATO ships can go to any European port or ask for help from the nearest NATO ship, which are now like mud at sea. Russian ships no longer have access to European ports for rest, repair, refueling and restocking. Therefore, we often have to carry everything of our own with us, including the "emergency tractor", and the supply vessel and the tanker.
  32. UVB
    UVB 1 November 2018 20: 28
    +1
    can be seen as the beginning of a systemic crisis in the US military-industrial complex.
    With the collapse of the USSR, the Yankees relaxed, which led to their lag in some areas. But one cannot ignore the scientific and production potential of our notorious "partners", so we ourselves cannot be doubly complacent that we do not lose the achieved advantage and achieve a breakthrough where we are still lagging behind.
  33. exo
    exo 1 November 2018 20: 29
    -1
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    And what is the problem with amers with deckers, who will chew?
    And then it’s not very clear:
    Thirdly, there are problems with fighters.

    This, our expert, invented a problem for the counterweight. Those aircraft that are armed with carrier-based aviation are quite on the level. And with their combat readiness, everything is not bad. And the F-35 is a completely new type. And slowly put into operation.
    And in principle: the US fleet and the Russian fleet are completely different weight categories.
  34. Adimius38
    Adimius38 1 November 2018 20: 41
    -2
    For example, only since 2003 in the USA only the Virginia class was launched, the number of 13-14 submarines, and our Russian super booper Ash in the ranks of only one. Draw conclusions. BOREY three boats similar to Ohio 18 boats
  35. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 1 November 2018 22: 55
    +2
    According to the expert, this entire series of accidents leads to the only conclusion ”- the Russian Navy has a maintenance problem.
    The American expert Brian Clark would better assess the state of the US Navy. Beautiful production videos - this is not an indicator. I remember how their very steep submarine got stuck when they surfaced in the ice of the Arctic Ocean. And the accident rate on the ships rolls over. And the fact that support vessels do not go behind their ships, so they have bases all over the world where support vessels and emergency services are located. And we have everything with us.
  36. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 1 November 2018 23: 51
    +1
    The death of mastodons is due to another factor not addressed in the article. By improving striking power, range, and mass production of hypersonic missile weapons. Carriers and other expensive iron become not a weapon, but a target.
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 November 2018 00: 02
    0
    Well, what, dude is right. In fact, we are finishing the Soviet groundwork.
    The one that did not have time to ditch, sell, cut.
    And in fact, the fleet is now being rebuilt.
  38. jonht
    jonht 2 November 2018 00: 34
    0
    With the fleet, we really are not all right, but not "everything is lost ...", as many think. There are problems, but the problems can be solved, it takes time and money, so we are waiting for the money to come.
    And there is no need to panic, panic on the ship, the last thing that does not lead to his salvation, as they say "to stand in their places ....".
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    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 2 November 2018 04: 36
      0
      Quote: Dr.KonradMorgen
      Interestingly, the American expert apparently just does not know that in the Task Force (operational connection) US Navy since the Second World War without fail included at least two "ocean tugs" (yes, the Americans have "ocean" and "sea" tugs - very different ships).

      The war was on. The ships were getting combat damage. We still had to recapture the bases or create new ones
  40. Valery U.
    Valery U. 2 November 2018 01: 42
    +1
    Each aircraft carrier has its own McCain. (Set fire) This time. The Russians accompany their submarines always in tow (irony) are two. Three calibers = one aircraft carrier ... it's three.
  41. Valery U.
    Valery U. 2 November 2018 02: 19
    +1
    [quote = Henderson] [quote = Kapkan]
    Try to fight in shorts somewhere in the mountains or the desert, or even in central Russia in the winter. Or even in shorts and body armor with a helmet. [/ Quote]
    Yes, the main thing is to end the first clash with a victory and there will be trophy underpants, the main thing is to be dry. I mean, the man exaggerated wrote about cowards and bare ass.
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  43. sleeve
    sleeve 2 November 2018 03: 45
    +1
    Clear. So our veterans, honored with a cane (the aircraft carrier has been in service for 30 years, although, by the way, we swear ourselves) is degradation, and their "babies-zamvolty" on wheelchairs (has anyone seen a zamvolta beyond the Gulf of Mexico?) Is this normal?
    "-The Russian fleet is degrading, we don't even see it.
    -But he's mostly underwater.
    -What? They can't even surface ?! Barbarians! "
  44. ALEx NIXon
    ALEx NIXon 2 November 2018 11: 01
    0
    Collision of a submarine “San Francisco” with an underwater rock (January 2005). The missile cruiser “Port Royal” ran aground near Hawaii (January, 2009). The Aegis system distinguishes targets in low Earth orbit, but could not notice interference to the right on the course. As a result, the Porter destroyer was ruthlessly rammed by a Japanese tanker (August 2012). The fire on the Miami nuclear submarine during its scheduled repair at the Portsmouth shipyard (May 2012). The Guardian minesweeper was stuck on reefs in the Tubbataha Nature Park on Philippines (January 17, 2013), Frigate Taylor didn’t stay on course and ran aground in the area of ​​Turkish Samsun (February 12, 2014). Fire at the stern of the Sullivans missile destroyer 2015. Fire on the flagship of the Sixth Fleet Mount Whitney ”during the repair and modernization in Croatia (July 31, 2015), the air defense of the cruiser“ Chancellorsville ”failed to simulate an anti-ship missile. Drone BQM-74 "Keklik" flew through the layered air defense system and crashed into a superstructure, the bay filled with burning kerosene. This is just what was on this site, in fact there are much more stories. It is interesting to hear the opinion of American expert Brian Clark on this matter.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 2 November 2018 20: 00
      0
      We are a land power, therefore, as it is not offensive to sailors, the fleet will be THERE.


      A country with access to two oceans, two seas, in principle, cannot be a land power. We are not a sea power from eternal poverty and foolishness in the head of our rulers.
      1. ALEx NIXon
        ALEx NIXon 3 November 2018 10: 36
        0
        The shores of Russia are washed by 12 seas belonging to the basins of 3 oceans - the Atlantic (Baltic, Black, Azov seas), the Arctic (Barents, White, Kara, Laptev, East Siberian, Chukchi), Pacific (Bering, Okhotsk, Japanese) and landless The Caspian Sea. The length of the sea borders of Russia is 38 km. It also has maritime borders with the United States and Japan.
        TOTAL 13!
  45. earloop
    earloop 3 November 2018 20: 12
    0
    The navy's trouble is probably that there were few "sighted" sailors of different ranks, but there were and still are many "blind" ones!