How Serdyukov promoted "their"?

Among the military, Anatoly Serdyukov gained fame as the most unpopular defense minister in the newest stories Russia. In spite of this, in the previous composition of the cabinet of ministers, he otbubil for the whole five years. The country's security has gained little from this, but Serdyukov’s entourage is very even. Who are these "encircling"?


How Serdyukov promoted "their"?


The Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg needs emergency care. In January, Governor Georgy Poltavchenko received a letter from Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov about the transfer of a unique academy from St. Petersburg to the outskirts — under Sestroretsk. If this happens, the elite buildings will appear in the old place, and the Military Medical Academy itself will be virtually destroyed.

- It is difficult to get to the place where you plan to move the academy. The nearest metro is in 16 kilometers, and there are such traffic jams on the roads in the direction that no ambulance can make it in time, ”said Aleksey Smirnov, assistant deputy of the St. Petersburg Legislative Assembly Anatoly Krivenchenko, to the Interlocutor. - Deputies against, population, doctors.

It was in the Military Medical Academy that Lyudmila Putin was saved when she got into an accident in 90's. And now the president ignored the prayers of doctors to save the life of their academy. Even the surgeon who dragged Lyudmila Putin from the next world even asked for a meeting with Putin, but he was also refused.

It turns out, Serdyukov Putin spouse more? And who is close to Serdyukov himself?

In the center, Alexander Sukhorukov - Serdyukov's right hand


Partners

The work on the “deportation” of the Military Academy is carried out by the LSR Group. The board of directors of the company includes Lev Vinnik, who in 2007 – 2010 served as adviser on real estate in Serdyukov. Since 2009, LSR has concluded contracts with the Ministry of Defense for a total amount of 39 billion rubles. The cost of moving the academy can add to this piggy bank before 20 billion. The founder of the company is Senator Andrei Molchanov. His father, Yuri Molchanov, until recently was the vice-governor of St. Petersburg. In this post, he oversaw major investment projects and actively collaborated with the Federal Tax Service Serdyukov.

The billion-dollar contracts from the Ministry of Defense go to OAO Voentorg, which in 2010 was headed by the former partner of Serdyukov in the Mebel-Market company Yevgeny Vechko. Prior to that, Vechko managed to work with Serdyukov both in the tax and in the military department.

Ex-partner Serdyukov in his other company - Dialog Ltd. - Oleg Huhlii. Today, business partners Huhlia also earn military orders.

Andrey Molchanov - Senator and Builder


Subordinates

Among the protégé of Serdyukov in the Ministry of Defense lit up and other businessmen. Four years ago, Viktor Vlasov, acting chief of the quartering and settlement service, shot himself. The friends of the general are still confident that he was prompted by the entourage of the new minister. The place of Vlasov was received by a close friend and compatriot of Serdyukov, Leonid Sorokko, the head of the St. Petersburg construction company Peter the Great. Soon, Sorokko headed the General Directorate of Capital Construction of the Ministry (his former post was occupied by ex-senator Gregory Naginsky, who, through his construction concern Titan-2, was also associated with plans to eliminate the Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg).

But in fact, the Ministry of Defense under Serdyukov became a branch of the Federal Tax Service. They were led not by the military, but by more and more tax specialists. First Deputy Minister of Defense Alexander Sukhorukov in 2006 – 2007 was the head of the organizational and inspection department of the Federal Tax Service. Another Serdyukov’s deputy, Dmitry Chushkin, had also been his deputy before, but only in tax. Another former deputy. Head of the Federal Tax Service, Igor Golikov, with the arrival of Serdyukov in the Ministry of Defense, became deputy. Director of the Federal Service for Defense Order.

Of the former deputy fiscal officers, only Mikhail Mokretsov, who was Serdyukov’s deputy still under the administration of the Ministry of Taxes and Levies for St. Petersburg, was unlucky. In 2010, Mokretsova was appointed first as chief of staff, then as deputy. Minister of Defense, but since January 2012, he has been only the Assistant Plenipotentiary to the President in the Northwest District. According to rumors, the dismissal occurred after his quarrel with Elena Vasilyeva, a former adviser to the minister and the head of the Department of Property Relations of the Ministry of Defense.

Tatyana Shevtsova worked with Serdyukov back in St. Petersburg


Girls

The military generally say about the decisions of Serdyukovsky’s Ministry of Defense: “Wonderful girls are dancing”. Such a number of skirts in the military, and even in key posts, before Serdyukov was not in the entire history of the country.

Serdyukov appointed Elena Kalnuyu as head of his office, Irina Kovalchuk appointed press secretary, Olga Vasilyeva, head of the financial supply department, Olga Vasilyeva, head of the financial planning department, Anna Kondratyeva, who is in charge of the state order, Daria Morozova, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who is responsible for the state order, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who is responsible for the state order, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who will be responsible for the state order, will go to the party, Ekaterina Priezezheva, who will be responsible for the state order, Darya Morozova; Yashin, for legal service - Marina Balakirev, etc. Some protégés at the time of appointment turned only 26 years, many have passed through the FTS.

Former deputy. Tatyana Shevtsova, Head of the Federal Tax Service, who was familiar with Serdyukov as a joint service back in St. Petersburg tax service, was appointed advisor to the minister of defense in May 2010, and in August, deputy minister.

Under the authority of Serdyukov, Nadezhda Sinikova, an agricultural accounting specialist, also worked on the Neva. In 2004, with the appointment of her patron as head of the Federal Tax Service, Sinikova took over the management of the department in Moscow, and in 2010, Rosoboronpostavka. Former deputy Serdyukov in the management of the Federal Tax Service for St. Petersburg Lyudmila Vorobyeva at the end of last year also took a grain position - headed Rosoboronzakaz with an average annual budget of 2 trillion rubles.

Viktor Zubkov brought his son-in-law into people


Relatives

Serdyukov’s proximity to Putin gave rise to a rumor that his son was married to one of the president’s daughters. He really has a son from his first marriage - Sergey, the same age as Putin's youngest daughter, Katerina. In addition to his son, Serdyukov has two daughters - the foster Nastya (a student) and her native Natasha (a schoolgirl).

The current wife of Serdyukov, Yulia Pokhlebenina, led the aquafitness club, and is now engaged in real estate. It was after meeting with his future wife Serdyukov moved from business to the tax office in St. Petersburg.

The management was then led by Pokhlebenina’s father, future Deputy Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov, who obviously contributed to his son-in-law’s career.

Serdyukov’s sister, Galina Puzikova, founder of several firms, in particular Cleanline LLC, which actively earned orders from the Federal Tax Service first, and then the Ministry of Defense. Galina's husband, Valery Puzikov, became the general director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “St. Petersburg Engineering and Technical Center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia”, who received billions of orders from Serdyukov at inflated prices.

In a word, maybe Anatoly Serdyukov didn’t really try for the Ministry of Defense, but he managed to do a lot for his personal guard.

Dossier

Anatoly Serdyukov was born in 1962 in the Krasnodar Territory. Early orphaned. In Leningrad, he received a degree as an economist and for several years engaged in the sale of furniture. In 2000, he transferred to the civil service and in 4, from the deputy head of the ordinary tax inspectorate, he rose to the head of the entire Federal Tax Service. In 2007, he was appointed Minister of Defense of Russia.
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  1. Bek
    Bek 1 June 2012 06: 38 New
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    Yes, here you are and the family of corrupt officials will not say anything.
    1. YARY
      YARY 1 June 2012 07: 41 New
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      Sir Duke - This is the face of the current government.
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 1 June 2012 12: 06 New
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        I did not think that the power represented by the president, with stubborn persistence, ignoring the opinion of experts and the whole people, would leave this destroyer at the helm of the Moscow Region. The Supreme, he decided to ruin to the end. I don’t know how anyone, personally, my credit for the trust of this government has ended. After these appointments, the number of people on the Swamp will increase. They bury themselves. Only the heads of the shops remained in stock, which means the situation is very bad.
        1. Churchill
          Churchill 1 June 2012 13: 59 New
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          This is some big top; chowder, newcomers and finally - puzikov !!! wassat wassat wassat Is it the Ministry of Defense or what? ..
      2. does it 1 June 2012 18: 52 New
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        (Sir Duke is the muzzle of the face of the present power) no, this is just one of many teeth, power, which, if necessary, can be replaced by this power. But seriously, in order to know the face of power, you must at least present its psychological portrait.
    2. pribolt
      pribolt 1 June 2012 08: 00 New
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      Yes, really corrupt, if it’s all true I’ll tell you more about pests, for such stories, if of course it’s true, you need to be judged as a betrayal of the homeland.
      1. esaul 1 June 2012 08: 15 New
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        Guys, but it’s disgusting to read such stucco molding, becoming like gossip girls! I understand everything - Serdyukov was already so "blindfold" and so often took steps that were poorly predicted in their consequences that he was awarded the honorary title of "Mr. Taburetkin" and others ... For this, more than one bucket of slops was poured into his address and more than once declined him, heartfelt, in different manners. But, this publication is the brightest example of the yellow press, who loves to poke around in dirty laundry.
        In no case do I urge you to clean the feathers of Mr. Serdyukov, but I urge you to self-criticism. Getting involved in a "discussion" on the proposed "facts" and "conclusions" ("So Serdyukov is more expensive for Putin than his wife", etc. in this vein), does not paint the one who picks up such "discussions". Guys! They are openly trying to impart anti-Russian propaganda to us (I specify - "crafts", With one letter D!) And do not become face to face grandmothers bored on the bench in the search for more vivid and offensive epithets against an unpopular politician. Believe me, there are many more questions that deserve our attention than looking at laundered underwear with a search for “compromising stains” on it, as in Monica Lewinsky’s love affair with Bill Clinton.
        Sincerely. Esaul.
        1. Inzhengr
          Inzhengr 1 June 2012 08: 48 New
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          Do you propose to close your eyes and ears with facts? Those who do not care about the Army, it is unbearably painful to look at everything that is happening in it, corruption, theft and betrayal. There are plenty of facts.
          1. esaul 1 June 2012 08: 59 New
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            Quote: Engineering
            Do you propose to close your eyes and ears with facts?

            You, dear, are facts worthy of attention at this forum regarding the issues of Army construction, you confuse with the banal gossip that has already been discussed (here, by the way, to your endless joy) in all the media. Behind today's publication is the lasting desire of swamp creatives to once again spit in the face of Russia and the Russians in order to show in which worthless country they live under the existing regime. But these exclamations about closing eyes and ears are from the arsenal of Navalno-Nemtsov-Sobchakov’s pack.
            1. Inzhengr
              Inzhengr 1 June 2012 10: 03 New
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              I have nothing to do with the "swamp Navalno-Nemtsov-Sobchakov pack", but I think there should be opposition in the country, otherwise the government will stagnate. I do not belong to the "pack" of so-called "cheers-patriots" who, regardless of conscience and honor, are ready to call black white, and the collapse of the Army by its reforms.
              Quote: esaul
              facts worthy of attention in this forum regarding the construction of the Army, confuse with banal gossip

              The Army’s construction plans look very beautiful, you can’t argue with this, but the facts are just vile, the warehouse will be burned by the thieving commander, then the conscripts will die in dozens in peacetime. And the joy you are talking about is not here.
              Quote: esaul
              the desire of swamp creatives to spit once again in the face of Russia and the Russians in order to show in which crap country they live under the existing regime

              The country is very good, rich and beautiful, and the “worthless” Minister of Defense and his destructive reform.
              Quote: esaul
              these exclamations about closing eyes and ears are from the arsenal

              it is a beautiful and powerful Russian language, a metaphor
              Quote: esaul
              spit in the face of Russia and the Russians

              there is no need to substitute concepts, traitors who ruin the Army and their hangers-on spit in the face of Russia and the Russians.
              Valery, I respect your work as a moderator of a pro-government publication, I ask you to respect my personal opinions.
              1. Victor 1 June 2012 15: 26 New
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                Quote: Engineering
                The Army’s construction plans look very beautiful, you can’t argue with this, but the facts are just vile, the warehouse will be burned by the thieving commander, then the conscripts will die in dozens in peacetime. And the joy you are talking about is not here.


                Is the thieving commander probably a civilian? And raised this commander Serdyukov? Wake up, our army has been sick since the beginning of the 90s, when it was sold by the brave generals led by defense ministers of war. Ask any of the military veteran officers who of them did not name Grachev Pasha Mercedes? And then, no one here protects Serdyukov, look carefully at the comments, the question is about the objectivity of what is happening with the RF Armed Forces.
                1. Inzhengr
                  Inzhengr 1 June 2012 16: 01 New
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                  The article is objective!
                  The traitor is white and fluffy - not objective!
            2. Victor 1 June 2012 10: 14 New
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              Quote: esaul
              But these exclamations about closing eyes and ears are from the arsenal of Navalno Nemtsov-Sobchakov’s pack.

              Greetings Valera! I want to support you, but not out of love for Serdyukov, but out of a sense of responsibility and justice. The site is military and patriotic, no one hides this, moreover, it was laid in such a way. If I'm wrong, let the admins correct. Articles like this are vile in essence, like any half-truth created. What amazes me most is the complete discrepancy between joy and the Defirambs from the new types and types of weapons created, created and entering the troops and the complete denial that this whole process began no more than a few years ago. Those. It was during the ongoing army reform. Yes, Serdyukov is unpleasant to most military men, but it was he who made the Russian military-industrial complex begin to work in a different vein. Through scandals, through letters to the president, but forced. Suddenly, over the past five years, the military-industrial complex has finally issued a single platform for armored vehicles, an unprecedented number of warships, etc. and the like. Probably all this happened by itself. I do not set myself the task of whitewashing Serdyukov. A huge number of mistakes have been made, but not a little has been done. There is a state approach. Everyone who served in the 90s remembers how professional military financiers scrolled our money in banks and military ranks in minutes. This business was covered up in defense. That's when there was a real collapse in the army. To understand this, one must have experience of service in the 90s.
              As for the team of Serdyukov, then any person in power selects his team. And any of the members of the forum, coming to the state. position, will begin to pick up his team, which he can trust. Whether they are good or bad, their deeds show. By the way, I often go to military units, no one complains about food, unlike the Soviet army and the Russian army of the 90s. Serdyukov is far from the ideal of the Minister of Defense and one does not need to love him at all, but one must approach the events objectively, unless of course they are Orangemen, whose main task is to sow confusion in the minds of people. Criticism and objectivity, here are our weapons on the forum.
              1. esaul 1 June 2012 10: 55 New
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                Quote: Victor
                I want to support you, but not out of love for Serdyukov, but out of a sense of responsibility and justice

                Victor, I welcome, my friend and thank you, precisely, for the correct understanding of my comment since I did not expect anything else from the guys who spoke with “harsh condemnation and impartial statements”. They, who have emotions, and who have personal insults, prevailed over the sense of measure and understanding of the timeliness and topicality of the presentation of the material and the desirability of discussing it. Such "discussions" closely resemble posts from social networks calling for "the overthrow of the bloody (as the COLONEL SERVICE) regime." Funny little guys .. It’s a pity that all this is accompanied by rumors about true patriotism, officer nobility and only guided by them “behind the scenes of the criminal regime” And at the heart of everything are unsatisfied ambitions, party intolerance, hidden grievances that blinds you and does not allow you to see what something other than negative.drinks And your support and the guys (Vanya, Heinrich Ruppert, Felix, Fawn, Alejandro, Viktor _ ui, Spat) who held my comment are much more important to me. Thanks guys drinks
                1. Col. 1 June 2012 11: 50 New
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                  Quote: esaul
                  calling for "the overthrow of the bloody (as the COLONEL) said" regime

                  You mixed me up with someone, I didn’t say that.
                2. Inzhengr
                  Inzhengr 1 June 2012 11: 53 New
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                  Hand washes a hand - it won’t work here. Dear moderators, stop praising each other's posts, it's just plain ugly. Take up self-education, otherwise you behave like yard hooligans, people complain about the twisting of the rating for differences of opinion with the polit. site line.
                  1. Victor 1 June 2012 14: 39 New
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                    Quote: Engineering
                    Take up self-education, otherwise you behave like yard hooligans, people complain about the twisting of the rating for differences of opinion with the polit. site line.


                    Inzhengr That's what always amazes me, this is the appearance of people who advocate, as it were, for the common good, but at the same time intensely hide their essence behind meaningless nicknames. They are even afraid to write about themselves, name their name, place of residence. So, from around the corner to freeze something. Who do I support in posts and who do not, not for you Inzhengr indicate without a name. Each has its own civic position and vision of the world. As you can see, my cons are in place. And as a decent person, I never minus just for not supporting Yesaul. Like everyone I say, minus what I do not like, but not as a moderator, just a little poster. I'm not ashamed of myself. The whole site can see who I am and where from. Unlike you. Therefore, it is still unknown to whom you wash what. Objectivity is the key to the success of a decent person. Each one has her own truth, as well as opinions about people and the country in which we live.
                    1. Inzhengr
                      Inzhengr 1 June 2012 15: 42 New
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                      Victor, can you pull me up from all the Runet moderators in order to convict me of oranzhevizhnost? You are already a good dozen for one gathered me. Laughter and more. Once again, I express only my opinion.
                      Quote: Victor
                      intensely hiding their essence behind insignificant nicknames. They are afraid to even write about themselves, give their name, place of residence

                      don't flatter yourself
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                      So, from around the corner to freeze something

                      laughing You think what you say, you are not 16 years old
                      Quote: Victor
                      Who should I support in posts, and who is not, is not for you to indicate an engineer without a name

                      Do not compose
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                      Each has its own civic position and vision of the world.

                      So do not strangle those who express it, as kites flocked
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                      And as a decent person, I never minus just for not supporting Yesaul

                      You defend Esaul, who says that "Serdyukov is white and fluffy, and your facts are just Orangeism"
                      Quote: Victor
                      The whole site can see who I am and where from. Unlike you.

                      I’m watching who you are, “Victor, moderator.” Also afraid to "write about yourself, place of residence"?
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                      Therefore, it is still unknown to whom you wash what

                      My only myself and my young son, the first one has already grown up, is washing himself.
                      Quote: Victor
                      Objectivity is the key to the success of a decent person.

                      Beautifully said, in the spirit of the times
                      Quote: Victor
                      Each one has her own truth, as well as opinions about people and the country in which we live.

                      Do not tell this to those who were fired without an apartment and honors for service a year before the military pension, to those who worked in the city-forming factory of the defense industrial complex outside the Urals, and after its privatization and collapse, they are forced to live in poverty with their wife and children.

                      Cultivate patriotism, not choke yes
                      1. Victor 1 June 2012 21: 26 New
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                        Quote: Engineering
                        I’m watching who you are, “Victor, moderator.” Also afraid to "write about yourself, place of residence"?

                        There is such a button-viewing the profile, you must click it, you are our demagogue.
                      2. welder
                        welder 4 June 2012 21: 33 New
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                        Engineer agrees completely .....
                3. rait 60
                  rait 60 1 June 2012 23: 33 New
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                  As for the twisting of the rating, I confirm it from my own experience. Here, criticism of Putin is not welcome.
                4. does it 2 June 2012 16: 21 New
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                  (Wash your hand - it won’t work here. Dear moderators, stop praising each other's posts, this is simply ugly.) I understand that you need to maintain the image of the site, but why! at the same time show their self-love, even if the critics are wrong, over time they can admit defeat.
              2. Churchill
                Churchill 1 June 2012 14: 17 New
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                Wishful thinking is called neither patriotism, but confobulation, and this is psychiatry.
                The presence of a liberal howl prevents people from taking a sober attitude to reality, let alone criticizing its personalities, for fear of being ranked as a marsh swamp.
                You don’t need to be physiognomists, you will get a simple life experience to see - he is gray, this Serdyukov, finished gray!
              3. Colonel 1 June 2012 17: 52 New
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                Esaul, are you truly speaking? Do you have a connection with the troops? I do not comment further
            3. Col. 1 June 2012 16: 31 New
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              Quote: Victor
              As for the team of Serdyukov, then any person in power selects his team.

              It depends on what criteria a team is selected! No one will mind if selected will be competent and experienced professionals. But they select according to completely different "principles"! And, most importantly, these gentlemen confuse the STATE SERVICE with a private shop. This is the owner of a private enterprise is free to recruit anyone, but here should dominate state interests!
        2. does it 2 June 2012 15: 54 New
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          Inzhengr,
          Do you propose to close your eyes and ears with facts? Those who do not care about the Army, it is unbearably painful to look at everything that is happening in it, corruption, theft and betrayal. There are plenty of facts.
          There are plenty of such facts described in stories, I do not argue, and the reaction to them is different! someone got a hat, but someone got away with it.
      2. Col. 1 June 2012 10: 19 New
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        Quote: esaul
        Guys, but it’s disgusting to read such stucco molding, becoming like gossip girls!

        Tell me, Valery, where is the gossip in this article? Only Serdyukov personifies the disgusting image of power. He replaced Service to the Homeland with BUSINESS! An illiterate woman in such positions is a spit in the face of the people. "From rags to riches" is a slogan for our government. They show by their own example that in reality they don’t need education, work experience, or business achievements, they don’t need anything but blat to occupy the state. fast. With a competitive approach to occupying these positions, all these Dvorkovichs, Serdyukovs, Nurgalievs, Levitins, etc. Further ordinary managers would not advance.

        Quote: esaul
        "So Serdyukov is more expensive for Putin than his wife," etc. in this vein)

        In this phrase you saw the main "fact" and "conclusion"? But the fact that one of the best military medical academies in the world could be destroyed didn’t hurt you? This is a clear crime! These "masters" of the country do not give a damn about everything, just to chop even more dough, are their fists against this scum ?! What our ancestors created for centuries for the good and prosperity of the state and people, this bunch of thieves destroys and sells!
        1. Inzhengr
          Inzhengr 1 June 2012 11: 56 New
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          Andrei, they just do their job ...
          1. Cadet787
            Cadet787 1 June 2012 12: 10 New
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            Inzhengr
            And doing bad
            1. Inzhengr
              Inzhengr 1 June 2012 12: 58 New
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              Or too good. They are told: “Educate patriotism among the people”, and they, like Comrade Sharikov in “Dog’s Heart”, strangle and strangle other people's opinions.
      3. vadimN 1 June 2012 10: 21 New
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        Anti-Russian craft is the current Minister of Defense with his team ...
        1. 755962
          755962 1 June 2012 11: 32 New
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          Let him finish the "Reform" and leave.
      4. Olegovich
        Olegovich 1 June 2012 12: 48 New
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        Quote: esaul
        This publication is the brightest example of a yellow press that loves to poke around in dirty laundry.

        Support.
        And as for the girls - they are often in responsible painstaking paper work - do better. And the age of 26 years is not an obstacle to business qualities. Even young girls there are such "sharks", in negotiations and in reports - the opponent will be torn, like an ace warmer.
        As for the placement of personnel, is it really a bad result - the army is rearming, housing is being built, salaries have been raised.
        No need to look out for a problem where it does not exist.
        1. Churchill
          Churchill 1 June 2012 14: 08 New
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          Quote: Olegych
          Even young girls there are such "sharks", in negotiations and in reports - the opponent will be torn, like an ace warmer.

          How many I live - I have never seen such !!! They can kill, stop by! .. T how!
          And about the "sharks" - they told the same thing about Golikova! And looked closely, it turned out - the usual spirochete.
      5. cool.cube2012
        cool.cube2012 1 June 2012 17: 59 New
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        esaul stop the tantrum. The peasants have their own heads on their shoulders. And you do not need noodles that are on you to hang on others.
    3. does it 1 June 2012 19: 05 New
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      (Yes, it’s really corrupt, if it’s all true I’ll tell you more about pests, for such stories, if of course it’s true, you need to be judged as a betrayal of the homeland.) In the history of Russia there are plenty of such “exploits”
  • Vanek
    Vanek 1 June 2012 06: 46 New
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    You can not do it this way. So you can’t do men. No wonder they say that business with relatives cannot be conducted. Divorces, discords, etc. they will not bring to good.

    I’ll take my words “time will tell” back.
  • Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 06: 49 New
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    Throw off one power, the Germans and their ilk will come. According to the prophecy, the tsar should appear in Russia, rather, would have already come and transmitted all the rot.
    1. Ustas 1 June 2012 07: 28 New
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      the king should appear, rather, would have already come and transmitted all the rot.

      One question. How can a king “come”? Any leader, good or bad, not supporting the policy of power, will be slandered and spat upon.
      1. Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 07: 38 New
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        I’ll answer your question simply, but hell knows.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 1 June 2012 07: 47 New
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          Brevity is the soul of wit. smile

          Greetings to Alexander.
          1. Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 08: 05 New
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            Hi Vaniok, what else could Alex say to Eustace. And then, I really don't know.
            1. Ross 1 June 2012 10: 16 New
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              Until the authorities feel the power of the people from below, everything will remain so. Only this force should be unambiguously patriotic, as before the election it united against Orangeism.
            2. zevs379
              zevs379 1 June 2012 14: 13 New
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              Romanova in the EMPIRE fellow laughing laughing laughing

              Alexander Fourth Romanov Far Eastern --- Sounds?
  • aspirin02 1 June 2012 07: 19 New
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    Ukrainian tank Oplot moved the Russian T-90

    The Russian Defense Ministry has done everything to force us out of one of the most profitable arms markets

    On the world arms market, Russia suffered another sensational defeat. Lost tender for the supply of 200 modern tanks to Thailand. The main battle tank of the Russian army proposed by our country, the T-90, was ceded to the Ukrainian T-84 "Oplot". 230 million dollars will now go to Kiev. Among the losers, however, was the mighty German armored vehicle “Leopard-2” 2A4. But this is little comfort.

    It is noteworthy that Bangkok made a decision not in our favor just two weeks after the scandalous statement by the Russian Ground Forces Commander Alexander Postnikov regarding the T-90, adopted by the Russian Armed Forces in the 1992 year. Postnikov in mid-March very dismissively spoke about this combat vehicle, which, according to him, is nothing new and “is actually the 17 modification of the Soviet T-72, produced since 1973 of the year”.

    Then, when the scandal became a fait accompli, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation sluggishly tried to justify the general by saying that he simply did not know that there were journalists in the hall. Therefore, they say, and was not shy in expressions. It would be better if the Ministry of Defense did not make such explanations. They only made matters worse. It turned out that usually “on people” we bring out one truth about our weapons, and at closed meetings we discuss something completely different.

    Strictly speaking, there is no connection between the words of the Russian commander-in-chief thundered around the world about our main battle tank and Bangkok’s choice in favor of Ukraine. It is possible that in Thailand everything has been decided in favor of competitors for so long. However, it is absolutely certain that the future prospects of T-90 export (and we do not have a better tank today), and, therefore, a very profitable article of the country's arms export, were dealt a crushing blow. In fact, even if the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces is sure that the T-90 is not worth a word, then who will pay millions of dollars for it?

    We also note that Ukraine is already winning the second "tank" battle for export millions. Russia suffered its first serious defeat in the middle of the 90's, when Moscow, with all efforts, was unable to disrupt the supply of 320 Ukrainian T-80UD tanks to Pakistan. The total amount of that contract is estimated at 650 million dollars.

    We didn’t need that deal for many reasons. First, the contract was nervously accepted by the main buyers of Russian weapons in the region - the Indians. It is unnecessary to recall about their long-standing scores with Pakistanis. Secondly, Moscow does not need rivals in traditional foreign markets, long mastered first by Soviet and then Russian tank builders. After all, both Ukraine and we entered those markets with very similar, or even absolutely identical patterns. Maybe we could then somehow politically influence the fate of this contract. But arrogance prevented.

    At that time I served in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. I remember very well how in the corridors of the department they discussed the desire of Ukrainians to get currency in Islamabad. “Nothing can happen without us. And with our own hands we will not begin to dig our own export grave, ”said the multi-star generals, chuckling. The deal with the Pakistanis will fail, our strategists thought, because there are no tanks without guns. And the guns for the T-80UD were then made only in Perm. Naturally, the offer of Kiev urgently put them guns and thereby earn money on the deal, followed by a refusal.

    “We’ll have to put birch trunks on our tanks,” they rolled with laughter at the Ministry of Defense. As it turned out soon, the forecasters were useless there. No wonder the Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after A.A. Morozov was considered the strongest tank-building school in the Soviet Union. They quickly found a way to do without Russia. It turned out that tank guns can be quickly mastered at the Frunze plant in Sumy, which previously produced heavy pipes for oil and gas production. At 95%, the equipment of the enterprise was suitable for a new task. In March 1998, instead of pipes, the first gun barrel came off the factory conveyor. Ukrainians purchased the PKT and Utes tank machine guns manufactured in Russian Kovrov in Bulgaria. It turned out even cheaper. Even earlier, several dozen T-80UDs were sent by sea from Nikolaev to Pakistan, manufactured according to Soviet plans and stuck in Kharkov due to the collapse of the country. So uncomfortable for Moscow, the contract was carried out by Kiev to the last comma. So for the first time on the international arms market the most serious competitor of Russian tank builders arose.
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      Apparently, for those Pakistani dollars, Kharkovites managed to create a new car - the T-84 tank (the T-80UD of a modern modification received the T-84 index. Subsequently, its improved version was called "Bastion"). As the recent head of the Main Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel General Sergey Maev, patriotically believes, this is just “a worsened copy of our T-90”. On the other side of the Russian-Ukrainian border, naturally, they adhere to the exact opposite point of view.

      However, we will leave these disputes to specialists. Note the undoubted: both the Russian T-90 and the Ukrainian T-84 have common design and technological roots. Their basic models were developed in the Soviet Union and differ mainly in the power plant and chassis. On the basic Russian model of the T-90, a B-84 engine with 840 horsepower is installed. At his Ukrainian counterpart - a two-stroke diesel engine 6TD-2 with a horizontal arrangement of cylinders with 1000 horsepower. Both tanks are a conceptual development of the T-64 tank, created about half a century ago.

      There is a difference in armor protection, fire control system and in something else. The Ukrainian machine, for example, is controlled by a helm, rather than levers - they say it is much more convenient. It has air conditioning, which the creators of the T-90 did not care about.

      Another important detail. Obviously, the T-84 Oplot tank is aimed only at export prospects. He can not afford the Ukrainian army because of the high price - about 2,5 million dollars. Since the 2005 of the year, Kiev has been gradually purchasing Kiev’s Bulat T-64BM “Bulat” for its armed forces - albeit a less powerful, but much cheaper modification of the even older Soviet T-64 tank.

      It is curious that the exclusively export focus of T-84 Oplot made its Ukrainian biography simply anecdotal. It is known that nobody will buy weapons that are not adopted by the producing country. In Kiev, this is well understood. Therefore, several years ago, with great fanfare, Oploty was promised to put into operation the Ukrainian army. We ordered the first company in 10 tanks at the Kharkov Malyshev PO. They took it in a hurry: in Kiev, a parade was being prepared in honor of the 10 anniversary of Ukraine’s independence, and the new tanks were to demonstrate to the doubters the viability of the “non-stop” industry. “Boys, where’s a pittance?” The factory workers asked in vain, who didn’t get a dime for their work. They waved them off like flies. Like, not about what you need to think in the pre-holiday hour.

      A dozen "Strongholds" thundered menacingly across Khreshchatyk. Then the company was assigned to the 72-th separate mechanized brigade in the White Church. But the “pennies” of the Ukrainian defense department were all somehow not there. The factory workers demanded that the tanks actually stolen by the military be returned to Kharkov. So I had to do it. Now, apparently, those "Bastions" will have to participate in other parades. In bangkok.

      But what can we expect now in the arms market? Will we still be able to bite off anything from the international tank pie? With the T-90, so disliked by the Commander Postnikov and losing to the Oplot championship in Thailand, the chances are obviously low. Could help, probably, the new Russian tank T-95, which has been created in our country in the last fifteen years in terrible secret. They say that this would be a new word in tank building. Just two years ago, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Nikolai Makarov promised that the T-95 was about to be adopted. But all of a sudden the General Staff decided that the time for tanks had generally passed. In our army, their number was limited to only 2 by thousands. And the work on the almost finished T-95 turned off.

      Another huge mistake was made, Colonel General Mayev already mentioned. In an interview with Nakanune.ru, he explained his vision of the situation:

      - I closely participated in the creation of the T-95 tank, and was the leader of this project as the head of the Main Armored Directorate. Now, if we put this T-95 tank next to the Leopard of the Future, then all of Europe would have gasped seeing what new solutions are used in this tank. That would be a splash! I assure you that what is laid down in our T-95 will appear in the Germans and Americans in only ten years. Of course, these will be technological solutions in a new form, and it is very unfortunate that the ideology that we put in this machine will “shoot” there, in the West, and not ours. Why is it "hacked"? For me, this is a very big question. The car was already at the exit. It was only necessary to create another model, conduct sensible state tests, finalize the machine, and we already knew what exactly needed to be finalized and prepared for production! This machine would surely provide our Armed Forces an advantage in the coming 20 years. And the know-how that was laid in it would become a kind of steam locomotive that would drag all military-technical developments for the ground forces for another 50 years! For the first time, new technological solutions in the layout of the machine were laid on the T-95! Of course, these technologies have not disappeared, but the trouble is that they are not implemented.

      From the dossier “SP”.

      The Oplot tank and the T-90A are equipped with similar weapons, consisting of an 125-mm smoothbore gun (KBA3 and 2А46М) and an 7,62 mm machine gun. In general, both guns are at the same technical level, and it is impossible to single out the advantage of one of the tanks.

      Performance characteristics
      Parameter Unit of measurement Hold T-90А
      Gross weight t 51 46,5
      Crew 3 3
      Power density hp / t 24,7 21,5
      Ground pressure kgf / cm2 0,97 0,94
      Temperature operation ° С -40 ... + 55 -40 ... + 50 (with power reduction)
      Main dimensions
      Tank length
      with gun forward 9720mm 9530mm
      enclosures 7075mm 6917mm
      Tank width
      on track 3400mm 3370mm
      on removable protective screens 4176mm 3780mm
      The height of the roof of the tower 2215mm 2228mm
      Support surface length 4290mm 4270mm
      Ground clearance 470 ... 500mm 426 ... 470mm
      Track width 2780mm 2790mm
      Traveling speed
      Average on dry dirt road 40 ... 45 km / h 35 ... 40 km / h
      Maximum paved road 70 km / h 60 km / h
      In reverse gear:
      minimum 4,8 km / h 4,18 km / h
      maximum 31,3 km / h
      Fuel consumption for 100 km
      On a dry dirt road l, to 325 ... 370 260 ... 450
      On paved road l, to 300 240
      on main fuel tanks km 400 460
      with additional barrels km 500 650
      Ammunition
      Shots to the gun pcs 46 42
      (of which in the conveyor of the loading mechanism) pcs 28 22
      Ammo:
      to the machine gun CT-7,62 pcs 1250 2000 (2500)
      to the machine gun CT-12,7 pcs 450 300
      Aerosol grenades pcs 12 12
    2. Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 07: 34 New
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      Aspirin, infa contract is very old. 90l.s engines are not installed on t840. Yesterday, the star was broadcast on t 90. But t 90 with a new tower and say nothing.
  • Vanek
    Vanek 1 June 2012 07: 27 New
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    T 34/85 modernization T 34/76, T 55 modernization T 54, T 62 modernization T 55, T 72 modernization T 62 and so on to T 90 and OPLOTA. Something like this.

    Tankers are on the site, correct. But in general terms, something like this.

    So it is safe to say that OPLOT is also our Russian tank.
    1. AK-74-1 1 June 2012 08: 20 New
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      No not like this. T-64 (T-72, T-80) are brand new tanks. Generation from T-34 to T-62 tanks of the 2 generation. With the T-64, the 3 generation begins.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 1 June 2012 08: 32 New
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        Well, my idea is clear.
      2. Alex 1 June 2012 09: 22 New
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        Quote: AK-74-1
        Generation T-34 to T-62 2nd generation tanks


        correction with T-54 Well, maybe with T-44)
        1. Cadet787
          Cadet787 1 June 2012 11: 56 New
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          Which tanks? You guys that fell from the oak. We are discussing how the Ministry of Defense turned a “stool” into a hangout for its whores and a feeding trough for relatives. Read what the voice of the people says about him .....

          Fable

          In one forest where the crowns are ripening
          Branches of innumerable numbers
          Appointed Minister of Defense
          Not the Wolf, not the Bear, but the Donkey ...

          The news spread throughout the forest stronghold
          From the southern thickets to the northern swamps,
          What is now given to the power of Oslo
          The mainstay of the State is the Army and Navy.

          Well, used as Minister for pro forma,
          So no, Lord forgive me
          Decided his donkey reforms
          In entrusted structures hold.

          And orders rushed across all the troops,
          In which stupidity is every line ...
          Believe me, there is no infectious leprosy,
          What an initiative is just a fool!

          Real Estate and Land Ministry
          Sell ​​forest lads for half price!
          As you see, such savagery
          Sometimes they happen without war.

          Troops cut to ridiculous sizes -
          War is not expected yet!
          And change not bad used officers
          For managers in fashionable jackets.

          Like Donkey, unstoppable hooves
          And biting stubbornly bit,
          Eating nutritious greens,
          He did his donkey business.

          The whole forest was buzzing, we shake in protest:
          “And if the enemy! What will we do with it?
          Throw donkey ears?
          And shouting “Ia,” we’ll be overwhelmed? ”

          Only Woodpeckers and Crows shouted,
          Settled in the Forest Parliament,
          What luck with the Minister of Defense
          What did he not donkey, being a Donkey!

          Some warriors, as usual, have been forgotten
          To ask: “But how are the servants doing?”
          But they did not just howl
          From the antics of the zealous Donkey!

          Choosing a profession from the unenviable
          Serving for the good of a penny,
          They are no longer waiting for a solid den,
          For them, minks will be good.

          But the Donkey has other interests,
          Subordinates do not care for Oslo.
          In addition, a trained press
          Sings to him both glory and praise.

          If it goes on like this, judge for yourself:
          The “tops” want it, or they don’t want it,
          Donkey will stay with donkeys,
          Donkeys will not protect their homeland.

          My morality will not be long.
          God grant that war does not happen ...
          But if suddenly !? That army donkey
          Deadly enemy ... we will be funny!
    2. Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 09: 39 New
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      Moderators, this is insanity.! Delete comments about t 90. Can you tell what the problem is. There are enough fools in our country, now also on the site. lurking
      1. Victor 1 June 2012 14: 45 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Moderators, this is insanity.! Delete comments about t 90. Can you tell what the problem is. There are enough fools in our country, now also on the site. lurking


        I swear I didn’t delete it! Let admins through a PM to all moderators ask a question and check. Maybe someone on the machine.
      2. Inzhengr
        Inzhengr 1 June 2012 16: 26 New
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        They said supposedly not in the subject was your post
  • awg75 1 June 2012 07: 33 New
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    I really look forward to - when the stools are planted, I really want to believe in it - rare
    1. Ustas 1 June 2012 07: 46 New
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      I'm really looking forward to when the stools are planted

      In the coming years, 6-12 is unlikely to be imprisoned.
    2. Sokol peruna
      Sokol peruna 1 June 2012 08: 06 New
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      And before that they were waiting for the authorities to put Chubais, Kiriyenko, Gaidar. Yes, along the way they will never put him in prison. Will do his job. He will receive the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" of the 1st degree and at rest or back to the furniture business.
      PS A strange situation is developing: for the release of real estate in the elite areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg, the Moscow Region always has tens of billions of rubles, and in the contract for the Boreas from Sevmash they are trying to extort everything to the last penny.
    3. Alexander Romanov 1 June 2012 08: 12 New
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      Previously, when I proposed to make Serdyukov the minister, buggers, I was minuscated by everyone who is not lazy. You are plus, I see.
  • Che
    Che 1 June 2012 07: 49 New
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    Taburetkina in court, not in ministers, the faster the better.
    1. Inzhengr
      Inzhengr 1 June 2012 09: 00 New
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      If the arrival of the "new" president was not removed, then the reform in the Army has not yet been completed. Show must go on.
  • Deniska999 1 June 2012 07: 51 New
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    And it’s so clear that it’s not just that Serdyukov was left ... Someone needs him
    1. doctor3006
      doctor3006 2 June 2012 10: 29 New
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      Shh ... I even know who. But on this site I will not say, because to no avail. And as everyone knows, this is the obvious thing.
  • Vanya Ivanov
    Vanya Ivanov 1 June 2012 08: 07 New
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    men! But Putin-that does not know ...
    1. vadimN 1 June 2012 10: 25 New
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      Hope this is a joke :)
    2. Inzhengr
      Inzhengr 1 June 2012 16: 23 New
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      Quite possible
  • PATRIOT 13
    PATRIOT 13 1 June 2012 08: 14 New
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    Seryuk-shame on our army and direct evidence of intentional conspiracy to ruin and betray Russia.
  • AK-74-1 1 June 2012 08: 24 New
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    It’s good that there are such articles. Serdyukov should be absolutely transparent. All his actions should be discussed. The negative that has fallen on him contributes to more transparent actions to reform the RF Armed Forces. It seems to me not to wait for the results.
  • tank64rus 1 June 2012 08: 48 New
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    Voros alone, what do these people have to do with the country's defense? They were doing business and continue to do it. And where in the Moscow Region or elsewhere it doesn’t matter. No one can even predict what this will result in for defense.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 1 June 2012 09: 05 New
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    His entourage "makes" the king, and as you say - halva, there will be no sweeter mouth. This applies to everyone, and Serdyukov and others holding power. This is verified by the thousand-year history of mankind. And as regards Serdyukov, there is no smoke without fire - moving VMA away from the center of St. Petersburg is a fact; the ladies from the Federal Tax Service surrounding Serdyukov are a fact. Similar things exist in other countries and in other ministries and departments. There is nothing to be surprised at.
    1. doctor3006
      doctor3006 2 June 2012 10: 30 New
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      In other countries, they plant for such a long time.
  • dmb
    dmb 1 June 2012 09: 13 New
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    Well, why is Mr. Esaul so much concerned about the morality of the article, it is understandable. With the exception of the passage about Putin, the article fits very well into the statements of her husband, as well as his predecessor about the "fierce" fight against corruption and the need to eliminate criminal family clans. Apparently, Mr. Yesaul understands that what was stated in the article was known not only to its author, but to the mentioned anti-corruption fighters during the formation of the Government, as this clearly undermines the belief in their "bright" image.
  • vezunchik 1 June 2012 09: 16 New
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    and we’re talking about something .... and what we hope for
  • patriot2
    patriot2 1 June 2012 09: 43 New
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    AK-74-1,
    I agree, yes the Moscow Region — and especially its leaders are simply “businessmen” —and business is above all for them; everything else is the “operation of covering up” their own profitable businessman.
  • Joker 1 June 2012 09: 51 New
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    The current wife Serdyukova Julia Pokhlebenina led the aqua fitness club, and now she is engaged in real estate.

    That’s where the apartments for the officers went, tin in general. Though they would be shy, then anyone will understand where this property comes from. All the same, whatever one may say, in this regard, we have something to learn from the West and the USA, in Germany the president took a loan at a small percentage, so they almost got to plant it, and they steal from us openly and are not shy am
  • general.bnw 1 June 2012 10: 07 New
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    Lord! In the case of Mr. Serdyukov, it turns out not * service to the Fatherland *, but * service to relatives, friends, friends of friends, etc. * Is it really necessary to serve the Minister of Defense / still / of a huge country!?! * Dollar uber alles! * Some it turns out !!!
  • Pharao7766 1 June 2012 10: 10 New
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    mdaaa ... And some of his caps are also going to increase ...

    http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2012/06/01/focus/562949984000922
  • welder
    welder 1 June 2012 10: 38 New
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    what can I say, probably many have understood for a long time that running a country is such a family business (godfather, brother-in-law), a sort of family contract for the sake of personal gain and some kind of security of the country fuck them .... WMA in Sestroretsk? -so there starting from Friday until Monday you can’t get on a car .... mad traffic jams
  • PatriotizTAT
    PatriotizTAT 1 June 2012 11: 30 New
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    Why doesn’t anyone criticize Putin ... maybe there are still smart people ?! Whoever put him here, although he is to blame, it is not to the extent that you scold him ... the former prime minister is to blame!
  • Arc76
    Arc76 1 June 2012 11: 38 New
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    I don’t understand where such moans come from? You voted for Vladimir Vladimirich, so agree with his staffing decisions
    As for the Military Aviation Administration, I live nearby and tell you that now it’s a lot of decaying buildings built in the late 19th century. They do not meet the requirements of a modern army hospital. They are simply not designed for this. If a modern complex of buildings is built, then the wounded and patients will only be better off because they don’t have to breathe exhaust fumes from traffic jams that constantly stand on Liteiny Bridge and Botkin Street. emperors, whose resort was located there (the resort is the name of the station in Sestroretsk). And believe me, the land there is not cheaper than in St. Petersburg, of course, on the first line of the sea. Look at real estate sites in St. Petersburg and see for yourself. We go on weekends have a rest in Sestroretsk with your family, believe in July, when the high temperatures of Sestroretsk's beaches are no worse than Turkish. And the ecological situation novka there is an order of magnitude higher than in the center of St. Petersburg.
    And the reasons for the groans of the leadership of VMA lie on the surface. The thing is that a decent amount of VMA space was handed over by businessmen in uniform to the offices of commercial firms. And of course, with the academy moving out of town, this sweet activity will stop. No one’s office in St. Petersburg needed (not that now the office in the center can be rented out)
    And for the wounded and sick soldiers and officers of the Russian army it would be better to be in Sestroretsk
    PS A criminal case has been instituted against the past head of the BMA, this is an old hotbed of corruption.
    1. admiral
      admiral 1 June 2012 14: 47 New
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      Arc76,
      And so everything related to such real estate! Tidy up, tidy up and tidy up! And not in Sestroretski, but in the virgin forests of Karelia and Siberia! Peter and Mosca-city will manage without these institutions. If I had my will, and the Burdenko hospital would be relocated to Lake Baikal!
      1. Arc76
        Arc76 1 June 2012 16: 02 New
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        Also an option. But you see, the main part of the faculty is preferred by large cities. Although the world practice of creating campuses and academic towns shows the opposite, apparently we will have to master such a structure. I think the fact is that the garrisons of the SA were poorly equipped (he himself lived in childhood on the Kola Peninsula, the Polar Peninsula is a place for extremals, Granite is generally a hole. Kandalaksha is certainly better) Ridiculously, I remember going to the MRK on entertainment at the Granitny (of course with my father ). And everywhere there is a lack of leisure for residents, a shortage and high prices in shops. By the way, this should be learned from the Americans, who open a club and a military store in the stinkiest hole. Moreover, these are normal institutions with billiards, drinks and cards, and not movie theaters as in for example, in the city of Polyarny (the commander of a happy Pike is shown in the film). Arrange a normal life for people, an entertainment center with an acceptable bowling alley, a water park, a decent bar or restaurant, a supermarket with a good assortment, regular steam heating, and they will gladly go to at least the ZIF at least to Baikal (Of course, you have to pay decently)
        1. Jaromir
          Jaromir 1 June 2012 19: 49 New
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          Quote: arc76
          (of course, you have to pay decently

          Paying with us is not accepted! Neither the state nor the employers! Paying is bad form. If a slave wants to eat, he will work for a penny, but no, he will begin to curry favor, he’s fired, they say so: hand over the chains, you are free!
    2. Inzhengr
      Inzhengr 1 June 2012 16: 19 New
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      Three years ago I was operated on at the VMA. Yes, some of the buildings are in satisfactory condition, but who canceled the repair? The Minister specifically and canceled in order to destroy and then sell for pennies. The scheme is known even to children. And another reason, the World Medical Academy is a symbol of the power of Soviet medicine, the best military doctors remained there, and they fall under the collapse program.
      1. Arc76
        Arc76 1 June 2012 16: 45 New
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        How is it that they move about a km north, out of town? Look at the Botkin collapsed hull, and the fences part of the nineteenth century, part of corrugated iron. And the operating rooms in the buildings of the century before last are your ice? Every day I go to work in Petrograd district on Botkin street and I see all the devastation. There is no place for military facilities in the center of the metropolis, now is not Catherine’s time. Look at the Main Street. when there were barracks of the communications center of the district headquarters, the video was as if the Great Patriotic War had just ended. they just handed over to Gazprom immediately put everything in order, it’s nice to see it.
        Regarding the scheme, I don’t understand why to keep the barracks and the hospital in the center of the city. Explain And also explain how much land Between Gorskaya and Sestroretsky on the coast of the bay, which they are going to allocate for VMA cheaper than the site on the Pirogovskaya embankment. From the point of view of investors and construction companies, it would be much more profitable to build townhouses and residential complexes in a prestigious suburb on the coast, without restrictions, than tinkering in a restricted development zone of unesco by signing and paying a bunch of approvals. Do you know what the height limit is? Do you know how many architectural monuments of historical value and prohibited for demolition on the territory of VMA? Due to the fact that Botkin or Pirogov were supposed to be operated there, can you imagine how you will have to fit them into the modern landscape and buildings?
        The LSR group is by no means silver-plated, of course, but the benefits of building on the territory of the military-industrial complex are not so great.Much more attention should be paid to what they will build in Sestroretsk. If there is a modern large medical research complex for the Medical Directorate of the RF Armed Forces, then why not. As for the symbols of power, the impression is that you are already clinging to a bunch of bricks, if only it were written on them in the USSR. Such a country is no longer an engineer and, in general, it’s all the same to its symbols. Life goes on. We are in Russia ..
        1. Jaromir
          Jaromir 1 June 2012 19: 44 New
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          Arc76,
          These are the most obvious things! What are we arguing about? All the same, these pliats will not hear!
    3. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 1 June 2012 16: 54 New
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      I agree that this complex of buildings does not meet the requirements of a medical institution, I also agree that huge areas are simply leased to pocket businessmen, and besides, the Military Aviation Administration does not explode, with all the professorship and teaching, but is simply transferred to 30 km within the city limits!
  • Cadet787
    Cadet787 1 June 2012 12: 27 New
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    This is not the Minister of Defense, this is the destroyer. How can one protect the vastness of Russia with 63 combined arms and 2 tank brigades, more than one military specialist will tell you, and let all the equipment in these brigades be super modern, this will not save us from defeat in the ratio of forces of funds, which is not in our favor 1: 7 , only nuclear weapons can save us, but not for every conflict to use them, this is a deterrence weapon. So, do not listen to the victorious reports as in the army everything is fine, not to mention the moral state. All is well with an illiterate "stool", who knows nothing at all in military affairs. Dear Supreme Commander, correct this annoying mistake, do we really have no military professionals in Great Russia?
    1. Arc76
      Arc76 1 June 2012 12: 53 New
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      The thing is that again you begin to talk about that war that never happened, to a war like the Second World War with a huge front for several thousand kilometers. Open your eyes and make sure that this will not happen. No country wants to receive a thermonuclear strike and cease to exist. Read the military doctrine of the Russian Federation, as regards the use of nuclear weapons. Are you going to keep a multimillion army and feed unnecessary eaters again? For what tasks? Again, is nostalgia for SA tormenting?
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 1 June 2012 13: 02 New
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        ark76.
        Are you a military expert or a specialist in modeling military conflicts and wars? If so, then we can discuss this issue; if not, we will not take time from each other. And what you wrote, they are trying to impose on Russia, the United States and only the blind can not see that the 3rd world war is already underway and God forbid that it does not become domestic.
        1. Arc76
          Arc76 1 June 2012 13: 12 New
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          Do you think that there is a third world war I don’t feel any signs of wartime on myself. And I would like to know, do you think that the United States will indeed send an expeditionary force and unleash a large-scale conflict on the continent? Apparently in order to give China world dominance? For your participants a hypothetical war will fundamentally undermine its economic potential, and the war wins, as you know, not the participants, but the countries that trade with them. As I understand it, you still live the realities of the Caribbean crisis. Oh well . good
          1. Cadet787
            Cadet787 1 June 2012 13: 25 New
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            ark76.
            It reminds me of a conversation between a blind person and a deaf person; do not be offended. Are you in revenge for our discussion, put a minus? I don’t put a minus for you, but I put a plus for the comment about VMA, of course it’s not about them, it’s about conscience.
            1. Arc76
              Arc76 1 June 2012 13: 53 New
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              Yes, I didn’t set either, why should I put cons with my rating? Now I’ll put the pluses. But I really think that the global conflict for which the USA and the USSR were preparing is impossible at the moment. Well, judge for yourself the appropriate state of affairs suits everyone, and first of all The USA with its reserve currency is the only country that directly benefits from such a confrontation is China, which the Russian Federation and the United States are well aware of.
    2. Cadet787
      Cadet787 1 June 2012 18: 25 New
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      And whoever got me so angry about this is probably a gang of Taberetkin.
  • Samsebenaum 1 June 2012 12: 31 New
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    What do supporters now say? What arguments in defense of their chosen one will lead?
    And whoever says that we are fighting corruption and nepotism in power, let him first throw a stone at me ...
    In reality, the struggle is waged only with those who impede this power.
    As for the Military Medical Academy, I just have no words. No - one word was found - lawlessness. So the guarantor did not care about the requests of employees. Now it is possible, as many as six years of autocracy ahead.
    Well, what sledges are like that. Which president is such an environment or vice versa ... But what difference does it make for us?
    1. TROG 1 June 2012 13: 46 New
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      Supporters discuss wading in other topics ...
      And statements like "Good news" here do not roll campaign.
      Vanya, insert another five cents
      Quote: Vanek
      Well, who else will say that We are not investing there. Or is it not ice too? AND?
  • Owl
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    For the current "power", the People are a "consumable"; you cannot put it in your pocket that you can stand on ceremony with it. Those who are now in power (a group of "citizens" who defeated the "coup" of 91 years, the breakers of the USSR) are afraid of such concepts as Power, State, Patriotism, for them it is "echoes of bloody totalitarianism", I’m sorry that I met normal People in the "war", those who saw death, they respect Life. I didn’t fight for “power,” I fought for my Motherland, I was brought up and taught in this way, and “these” people who stood by “fed the authorities” betrayed Our Motherland, they sell it, for them the Motherland is just a set of letters. Now, unfortunately, the “people” are afraid of “power”, and the people hate this “power”, I am waiting for autumn with fear, I promised a lot of GDP, no changes are expected in the near future, citizens can ask the “popularly elected”, they will ask rallies in this mess again climbed into the stands of the Nemtsov-Kudrina.
  • Alekseev 1 June 2012 15: 41 New
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    The correct article, there is nothing ordered in it, and who will order it? Nemtsov with Kasparov? So they are even worse than Perdyukov and in terms of defense they are not criticized, they are happy with how things are going, with the exception of Kudrin’s well-known complaints about big expenses. What would collapse yes cheaper.
    And hurray, the patriots would like to say that 100% of g ... in nature does not happen. Something positive is being done in the sun now. But if they do a lot of things badly (specifically what was badly written a thousand times, who knows how to hear ears), then something good is not an excuse. And then full of joy pants: teachings, soldiers eat! It’s as if reform is necessary for the norm of life!
    But the main trouble is that there are a lot of such farts ... In all offices thieves are needed, and so on. Only a few are competent. Not only in Moscow Region. Everywhere .. Or almost everywhere. On the streets, as advised by a respected forum member, you don’t need to go, you can talk to people at enterprises and organizations, and go to the provinces. The leadership needs to keep the course on order, to prevent theft, otherwise collapse. But so far we have not even ratified Article 20 of the UN Convention on the fundamental rejection of illegal enrichment ...
    The indicator of rottenness is the ruble, oil has slightly fallen in price, and so what? You see for yourself ...
  • Hamul 1 June 2012 16: 15 New
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    I read both the article and the comments ...
    Guys, let's get out of emotion ...

    Every day I go to the site, I note one thing for myself - something is being done, for the army, something is being purchased .... and I have only one thought - "CAN I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT ?, Maybe Taburetkin really does grandiose reform - simply not owning real and complete information, it’s hard to see and look at something. "

    BUT ... my friend, who came from training in Kislovodsk in 2011, told me about the real problems of the army (he was a sergeant, he fought in Chechnya, a 4-year shell-shock, he has been a military pensioner since January 32) ... I don’t want to say a lot, but. .. concrete collapse in the army, theft even more.

    Remember the year 2008? the defeat of the column by Georgians - everything will become clear.
    And the transfer of all accruals of monetary allowances from the districts to Moscow? WHAT DOES IT TALK ABOUT? For several months, our landing has not received DD, even the special representative in Moscow for several months (two or three), but there’s no sense !!!

    Speaking of CORRUPTION - remember that fish always rots from the HEAD !!! ??? so think ....
    In the DPRK, how did corruption prevail ?, in Georgia itself (despite the truth about the low standard of living). There are many ways, but the highest ranks profitable to steal ...
    Pay attention to the RosStat indicators on the situation in the Russian Federation - there has not been such a dependence on raw materials since the late 80s and early 90s.

    That's what I want to talk about and talk about.

    I will also add that I was simply the chief accountant at a commercial enterprise, and I was an honest auditor in the ministry for which I “left”, but the horror that I saw in the economy of my region still makes me shudder. I am neither a positioner, nor a member of any party - I just love the Motherland.

    P / S / Half-truth is always worse than a lie - because it makes you believe, and even more deeply causes negative moods, when the real truth is clarified. But you need to know the plebeians and their breeders - in order to travel in the face if possible!

    [b] Regarding the election of the President, and who voted for him ?????? all whom I know not, and that is a lot of people ... I think many will say the same.
    Regarding the Third World War - yes, it has been going on for a long time, it started back in the 50s of the last century - and in this war all methods are good ....
    Information, demographic, economic, industrial, educational, medical, military, narcotic and other areas. Remember the destruction of the chosen government in Libya, Iraq, the military presence in Afghanistan, the division of Serbia, the brainwashing of the former socialist countries - is this not a war ????
    1. doctor3006
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      They said everything correctly, except for the standard of living in Georgia- http://comuedu.ru/news/nid/1007
  • Hamul 1 June 2012 16: 35 New
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    I forgot to add - a huge US debt - which will never be paid off - it is easier to unleash a global nuclear war with write-offs of assets and zero balance sheets
  • soldat1945
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    Hamul It was nice to read your post, I’m serving myself, believe me, it’s still worse than complete devastation. I don’t want to get involved in the debate here, apparently few people have a real atmosphere, you deserve pluses!
  • AleksUkr 2 June 2012 17: 06 New
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    We argue, swear, call each other names. But this does not depend on us. The people were against most of the ministers from the Putin government. So what? Yes, they were removed from the government, but the powers determined were significantly higher than the previous ones. Now, for example, Golikova will inspire two ministries for feats of arms. And others are not offended. And Serdyukov is just a protege. And no matter how justified his reassignment, no matter what forecasts are made - he is in power. I advise you to read it again if you have not read it yet:
    "The Power of Families-2011. Government. Part 1." Serdyukov Anatoly Eduardovich
    Place of work: Government of the Russian Federation

    Positions: in 2001-2003 - Deputy Head of the Department of the Ministry of Taxes and Duties in St. Petersburg (subordinate to the father-in-law - Viktor Zubkov). In 2003-04. - Head of the UMNS in St. Petersburg. In 2004-2007 - Head of the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation. Since 2007 - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. Popular in the army nicknames: "Taburetkin", "Furniture". Recently, the nickname “Field-furniture Taburetkin,” “Field-furniture” is the title appears more and more often. “And then on 10 pages ... The desire to ruffle yourself and others' nerves may be diminished. It remains to be hoped that the current government’s instinct for self-preservation will do its job and it will be for the good of the people of Russia.
  • Captain45 2 June 2012 19: 51 New
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    It seems that Graham Grisham had a novel whose name perfectly characterizes what was stated in the article: "And the whole presidential army." I think if you dig any minister, his environment will be similar. And these people shout about the fight against corruption. Stalin is up to you, but no, I am sorry!