Transition of Ukrainian nuclear power plants to Westinghouse fuel. Do not know what they are doing?

Ukrainian State Statistics Service has published data on the purchase of nuclear fuel for nuclear power plants of the country. We will remind that earlier the Ukrainian authorities declared that they systematically refuse Russian nuclear fuel and switch to the fuel of the American company Westinghouse.

The published statistics show that the Russian Federation continues to be the main exporter of fuel cassettes for Ukrainian NPPs. However, the volume of imports of fuel for nuclear power plants from Russia is still decreased. During the period from January to August of the current year, Ukraine acquired about 183,5 tons of nuclear fuel from Russia for a total amount of almost 209 million dollars. Peremogoy in Kiev called the reduction in the volume of fuel cell purchases for nuclear power plants from Russia by 3,2%.

Fuel is purchased in Sweden. We are talking about the company "Westinghouse", which has already managed to go through bankruptcy proceedings in the United States. Through the Swedish structures, Ukraine acquired about 141 tons of nuclear fuel “Westinghouse” worth up to 99 million dollars.

For reference: for the year 2017 Ukraine bought from Russia nuclear fuel for nuclear power plants for a total amount of 386 million US dollars. The index from 2014 of the year is 558 million dollars.

In other words, Ukraine continues to make the transition to Western nuclear fuel for its power plants (nuclear power plants of Soviet development). Earlier, the Americans promised Kiev a loan, the funds of which should go to the construction of a plant for the production of nuclear fuel "Westinghouse" in the Ukrainian territory. However, instead, the loan was provided for the construction of a nuclear waste repository in the Chernobyl zone. It is planned that in the Kiev region nuclear waste will be transported from nuclear power plants not only in Ukraine itself, but also in Europe. The opening of the repository is scheduled for 2019 year.

Comments

[Hto tama]

Well, what can I say, mattress covers are systematically preparing a time bomb for Russia and Europe. And the company that is already participating in the US is bankrupt, the mattress covers will be white and fluffy, as always

[Vard]

This is only one of the problems of Ukrainian nuclear power plants ... Another one is the drop in the qualifications of service personnel ... All competent or have gone to Russia ... Either abroad ... It remains to be seen who ...

[Jerk]

Fuck with her, with the qualifications! Everything got worse and the jokes ended:
1) Resource NPP ISCHERPAN. That's all, they should be closed already! https://www.dw.com/en/ae-- Ukraine-in----- extended-----operation---- safe-/a-41514256
2) The assemblies are not bad because they are American, because they do not climb in the form factor, the heat sink is broken, they are twisted with a corkscrew in the reactor! https://rueconomics.ru/297198-smert-reaktora-yadernoe-toplivo-ssha-stalo-adskoi-mashinoi-dlya-ukrainskih-aes
3) And the worst thing - in Ukraine, nuclear power plants operate in a shunting mode, they are extinguishing power surges now. If anyone forgot, the Chernobyl crashed precisely because the situation was worked out at the 4th block, what to do if you have to quench the jumps in the energy consumption of not the TPP, as usual, but the NPP. But there was a new block, the fly didn’t ... It was lying around, and it banged, and then there was junk, and there were 15 blocks, one would sooner or later explode.
Here's what interests - and where are all these "ikologi"? They always worry about nature, but they are always against nuclear power plants in general, where are all these Greenpeaces? If they do it, they will sip the joy of the whole Europe with a strainer, but they will definitely do it, the question is only in terms

[The black]

US experiments on Sumerians can end very sadly ... for everyone

[dgonni]

In Ukraine, only thermal and hydro power stations operate in shunting mode! Well, this is so for info! As for the purchase of nuclear fuel from the Westhouse, it is stupidly cheaper than the Russian one. 0,7 Lyama per ton from the Westhouse and 1,14 Lyama for the Russian as if hinted!

[Jerk]

I really hope for this, here are just two things - that the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine and Energomash have been sucking this issue for a long time, hinting at it. The coal shortage now is over 50% ... What the hell is the maneuver, will they let coal into the smoke, moreover, what is it already like in besieged Leningrad?
And so, I would like to believe, I, too, are reluctant to see redheads in the Moscow Region again ...

[mad]

Quote: dgonni

so it is stupidly cheaper than Russian. 0,7 Lama for a ton from the Westhouse and 1,14 Lama for Russian as if hinting!

But didn’t you try to dig deeper than just quoting numbers? Pendos sold the assemblies and successfully forgot about them, but Russia included in the price the further removal and storage / disposal of spent fuel, which is a very costly and time-consuming process. Not to mention ecology.

[dgonni]

In Chernobyl, a storage facility for waste storage is ready. So go by.

[xtur]

> Waste storage facility is ready in Chernobyl

tell it to suckers. This is a standard dry waste storage, with a lifespan of several tens of years, and with a very, very average system of isolating fuel from the environment and various insects / animals

> So by.

you are simply inadequate if this repository does not bother you

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

"Foldly call" (c) But - not a ride.
SNF-2 is designed for storage of spent nuclear fuel for 100 years and meets all nuclear safety standards.

[xtur]

> ISF-2 is designed to store spent nuclear fuel for 100 years and meets all nuclear safety standards.

yes, yes, of course, we knew these warehouses

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

And what exactly do you know about these "warehouses" (by the way - a knowledgeable person. never will not call IST "warehouse" ) ??

[xtur]

> knowledgeable people will never call HOYAT "warehouse"

and so - a knowledgeable person. will never call this warehouse a nuclear fuel repository. This is such a typical rogue decision to wait out over the air raid.
He has exactly this purpose.

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

With the level of your competence in this matter, everything is clear. I don’t bother you anymore.

[xtur]

> With the level of your competence in this matter, everything is clear. no I don't bother you anymore.

Yes, in general, it’s deeply violet to me for your assessment, by the way, you are our specialist, I’ve talked about hertz elsewhere, if you had something to say, you would have been noted there.
And since he was silent there, it means that you are less than nobody in this topic, you can’t even be called passing by, such as you are usually rejected when hiring

[abc_alex]

AND? So add to the assembly price the price of storage and storage. And most importantly, think about where you will put all this later.

[katkasi]

And who will store this fuel from Westinghouse after mining?

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

Ukraine. At the ISFSF at the Zaporozhye NPP (it has been operating for a long time) and at the Central ISFSF in the Chernobyl zone (under construction).

[Vlad5307]

Ukroshumers need to re-read the tales of A.S. Pushkin more often - "you wouldn't be chasing cheapness!"

[Detnix]

In general, everywhere nuclear power plants operate in a constant mode, and daily jumps are compensated by another generation.)

[Dart2027]

Quote: dgonni

so it is stupidly cheaper than Russian. 0,7 Lyama per ton from the Westhouse and 1,14 Lyama per Russian as if hinted

It’s just that the NPPs themselves were designed specifically for our fuel and the transition to American is Russian roulette. With relevant prospects for Ukraine.

[dgonni]

For non-engineers. There is a simple concept as technical conditions. Voila made and cheaper competitor washes and flies by. This is how the whole world works. Nothing personal is just a business. It will also be in 5 years with gas from the states and Qatar. Russia has profiled a moment, but instead of drawing conclusions, it is engaged in self-promotion, which in 5 years will not help because the market will be squeezed out and divided. If something I for the slate Pruvet Miller.

[Dart2027]

Quote: dgonni

For non-engineers. There is a simple concept as technical conditions.

Help from the engineer. If the nuclear power plant was designed to use a specific fuel with the use of specific technical solutions, then any deviations are a violation of TB.

Quote: dgonni

This is how the whole world works.

Fukushima?

Quote: dgonni

If something, I'm for the slate

Yes Yes Yes. How many times have various kinds of side effects of this shale been examined in detail?

Quote: dgonni

It will also be in 5 years with gas from the states and Qatar. Russia has profiled a moment, but instead of drawing conclusions, it is engaged in self-promotion, which in 5 years will not help because the market will be squeezed out and divided.

Already for a year they squeeze and divide. Total thereof became SP-2.

[xtur]

> then any deviation is a violation of TB.

this is a violation of a bunch of top-level regulatory documents - starting with nuclear safety rules, ending with the technical regulations of the station and the project. All changes to the reactor installation, colloquially on the first circuit, must be approved by the designer.
That is, any change in the loaded fuel must be agreed with the designer without fail.

The fact is that the safety and operating standards, to which the protection automation is configured, directly reflects the properties of nuclear fuel.
For good only for violation of these norms of the Russian Federation had all the right to land all nuclear power plants in Ukraine by landing

[abc_alex]

Don't talk nonsense, engineer. Fuel assemblies are not a bolt and a nut, their technical requirements themselves are so complex that everyone "behind the shale" may not have enough brain to understand them. Leave your stories about the market to the villagers from the Zapadnoye region. However, the horses are basically indifferent to how and what. Anyhow, not like a mosk .....

[goose]

Quote: dgonni

For non-engineers.

Exactly, what you PR is for an uneducated herd of non-engineers. I already described why this is nonsense for NORMAL people:
1. Storage of spent nuclear fuel on the territory of Ukrainian nuclear power plants allows leakage and does not solve the root of the problem. Later it will still be necessary to invest additional money, and certainly more than now. There is a principle - after us - even a flood.
2. The use of American assemblies of structural steel, and even a designer who is not familiar with the reactor in detail, is a guarantee of leaks.
3. Production of a fuel rod by a designer who has no scientific experience - a great chance of unstable operation, incomplete burnout, damage to the core, and again, radioactive leaks.
4. As a result, the price will be higher, since enriched uranium for Westinghouse is sold by Minatom, if you did not already know, otherwise it is a violation of the principles of the capitalist structure of the economy.

As a result: the risk is greatly increased, first of all for the NPP personnel, and then for the environment - well, you do not care about people + the overall increase in maintenance costs, it can be noted that payments are shifted for a period of 20-30 years later, when you have to pay for handling SNF.
And if there are no accidents, when they appear, the price tag for the state will multiply many times - but "other" people will pay for this.

People like you spoil the image of nuclear energy as an environmentally friendly and inexpensive source of energy.

For amateurs: The most interesting thing that Ukraine can do now is to build nuclear reactors for heating cities and smelting metal, this is a really useful solution.
BUT NON-ENGINEERS DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT ...

[Rzzz]

This is how modern business does not work in order to sell something cheaper or better if the sale goes to a government agency and rent competitors on it. It is offered more expensive, + "chocolate" to the responsible official. This is trite more profitable, and only the same official is at risk. Or challenge someone to a duel.

[semenoffdima]

Yes, if only for Ukraine. Judging by the experience with the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, half of the European part of the mainland will go dead there ...

[tihonmarine]

What difference does it make, a new station or an old one. All protection was turned off for the power-up experiment for 90 percent. The experiment failed, the science was neglected, the station banged, the political decision turned out to be higher than the scientific one .. Now the power of idiots exceeds the power of reason.

[goose]

Quote: tihonmarine

All protection was turned off for the power-up experiment for 90 percent.

I can tell you in detail the reasons. I read the report of the USSR Academy of Sciences. There were two main reasons:
1. Lack of specialists with education on the topic of "nuclear reactor management".
Only 2 people at the Chernobyl NPP had sufficient education. For example, there were about 400 such specialists at KurNPP. Both were absent at the time of the accident. Affected by the small-town clannishness, only "their own" were hired.
2. Greed.
The experiment was conducted by the Chornobyl Chief Power Engineer in order to receive a bonus for a rational offer with a value of between 200 and 1500 rubles. Here is the price of the accident, for which everything was started.
The person who held this post did not have a full higher education.

[Amurets]

Quote: Jerk

If anyone forgot, the Chernobyl crashed precisely because the situation was worked out at the 4th block, what to do if you have to quench the jumps in the energy consumption of not the TPP, as usual, but the NPP. But there was a new block, the fly didn’t ... It was lying around, and it banged, and then there was junk, and there were 15 blocks, one would sooner or later explode.

Oh, not good, I got a book today by Anatoly Dyatlov "Chernobyl. How It Was." He was considered the main culprit of the accident. "The accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant that occurred on April 26, 1986, in terms of scale, complexity and long-term consequences, is the largest and most severe disaster in the entire world history of the use of atomic energy.
Large amounts of radioactive substances from the reactor core were released into the atmosphere and then fell out mainly in three large "spots" in the Republic of Belarus, Ukraine and western regions of Russia. The total area of ​​the contaminated territory (for cesium-137 - more than 1 Ci / km2) is almost 30 thousand km2.
The zones of radioactive contamination after the Chernobyl disaster were formed depending on the nature of the emissions from the damaged reactor and weather conditions. During the period of intense emissions (April 26 - May 5, 1986 ......

[Archivist Vasya]

Oh, not good, I got a book today by Anatoly Dyatlov "Chernobyl. How It Was."

And where did you get this book from, if not secret? He is one of the culprits of the accident (there are several critical factors that came together in one place and at the same time, one of them is human), even if you look at the specialty, he studied at the Moscow Engineering Physics Institute with a degree in automation and electronics. Not a drop is not a nuclear physicist.

[Amurets]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

And where did you get this book from, if not secret?

It’s no secret that this book didn’t catch my eye for a long time or longer. I bought it in a store or somewhere at the train station, now I don’t remember where, before, there were a lot of book collapses at the train stations, now, alas, I don’t have these collapses. But this book is online. Here are the addresses of the libraries where this book can be downloaded legally:
https://royallib.com/book/dyatlov_anatoliy/chernobil_kak_eto_bilo.html
https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=234&p=1

[Mih1974]

So it is necessary to conclude an agreement with the Mexicans "for the storage of rad.waste" ... Of course, the Americans are running in and we will "change")) they are not taking work off into Sumeria, but we are not taking them to Mexico)

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Jerk

3) And the worst thing - in Ukraine, nuclear power plants operate in a shunting mode, they are extinguishing power surges now. If anyone forgot, the Chernobyl crashed precisely because the situation was worked out at the 4th block, what to do if you have to quench the jumps in the energy consumption of not the TPP, as usual, but the NPP.

Stop pouring nonsense into the ears of unprepared readers. The accident at the Chernobyl NPP occurred as a result of an experiment on the run-out of a turbine generator within the framework of the MPA, as a result of a jump in reactivity associated with the end effect, associated, in turn, with the design features of the rector. I have nothing personal against the author of the text quoted above, but the number of "+" under his comment is the clearest example of how easy it is, forgive me, to piss into your head. Education at the level of mending and writing (Physics and mathematics is not needed (c) Gref), and you can safely pour any shit from the media, people gobble up ...

[Archivist Vasya]

I agree with you about the causes of the Chernobyl accident, but Jerk is definitely right in paragraph 1) and 2) in the same way as in the epilogue, therefore, the pluses if the reasons for the Chernobyl explosion were incorrectly justified ...

[goose]

Quote: Vol4ara

Stop pouring nonsense into the ears of unprepared readers.

Have you read the report about the causes of the accident? I had access to a document where everything was described in minutes. The features of the reactor were in 10th place among the reasons, there was a lot to do in order for these features to affect. And yes, graphite reactors of this design implied a certain level of education and experience in order to operate them, unlike modern ones, but this does not say that they were dangerous and should inevitably destroy their core. The reactor hall was new for him to work and work yet.

[Machito]

If the block explodes, it will not seem to all Europe. Ukraine is not the USSR, there is no money to liquidate such an accident. After the explosion, UkroReihu is definitely Khan.

[xtur]

> And the worst thing is that nuclear power plants in Ukraine are operating in shunting mode, they are dampening surges in energy consumption now. If anyone has forgotten, the Chernobyl NPP crashed precisely because they worked out the situation at the 4th block, what to do if it was necessary to extinguish the jumps in energy consumption, not at the TPP, as usual, but at the NPP

When the ANPP was launched, the frequency in the power system ran for several hertz !!!!
This is for you a "super-dynamic shunting mode". And nothing happened during this time

The dynamics are not bad in itself, but because any transient mode increases the risk of an accident and reduces the life of the equipment, because any change in temperature / pressure this parameter reduces

[goose]

Quote: Jerk

Resource NPP ISCHERPAN

How can a resource be exhausted?

[nod739]

4 years ... 4 years we hear how ... ahhh, everything was gone, and now, right now it’s shy ...
.
and by the way, people work at nuclear power plants, and they are fully aware of what and how it works ....

[NordUral]

This is our problem, and the problem of Europe. When will it come to the Europeans that they are planted on an atomic mine with the button of detonation in the hands of the States? Okay, you don’t like us, but at least think about yourself.

[Tsoy]

And the company that is involved in this in the US is already bankrupt, the mattress will be white and fluffy, as always

Bankruptcy is artificial. The owner of the Westighouse, and for a moment the Japanese Toshiba simply refuses to be responsible for the 2 distressed nuclear power plant construction in the United States. In order to debts from protracted did not lay on the parent company.

[asv363]

Quote: Choi

Bankruptcy is artificial. The owner of the Westighouse, and for a moment the Japanese Toshiba simply refuses to be responsible for the 2 distressed nuclear power plant construction in the United States. In order to debts from protracted did not lay on the parent company.

Indeed, the "bankruptcy" was artificial. Rather, it is a restructuring. The article under which West passed contains a clause prohibiting the filing of material claims against the debtor. In the end, I think General Atomics bought it. All trials are over.

[abc_alex]

Nothing artificial. Bankruptcy declared the construction department of the company. It is as if independent and at the time of bankruptcy was owned by the Japanese. It is absolutely real bankrupt. Unfinished reactors in the USA hang on it despite the fact that they don’t even have a reactor. There are debts under 5 yards.
The branch producing TVEL is independent and cost-effective. By the way, the directions were all the same divided up to bankruptcy.

[Finches]

Atomic energy of Ukraine today is the only thing that slightly distinguishes it from the banana republic, but apparently not for long ....

[tap]

"Ukraine purchased about 183,5 tons of nuclear fuel from Russia for a total of almost $ 209 million." It turns out 1 million 139 thousand per ton.
On the other hand, "Ukraine purchased about 141 tons of Westinghouse nuclear fuel for up to $ 99 million." It turns out 702 thousand per ton.

[bessmertniy]

Not everything that is cheap is better. Brown coal, for example, is also cheaper than anthracite, but its benefits are less. It is necessary to compare quality, compatibility with equipment, etc.

[goose]

Quote: zapfen

"Ukraine purchased about 183,5 tons of nuclear fuel from Russia for a total of almost $ 209 million." It turns out 1 million 139 thousand per ton.

This is a load for 1 reactor, and you need to watch tons measured. We sell ready-made assemblies. How was Westinghouse products sold?
As far as I have information, Russia keeps fuel prices for nuclear power plants at a level that is not yet accessible to competitors, so the announced result is suspicious.

[Qwertyarion]

Arrange a nuclear apocalypse with the hands of idiots? It could very well be! It’s not a nuclear attack, it’s a game of fools with a nuclear reactor. They will impose an incompatible American nuclear fuel with Soviet nuclear reactors on Ukraine and may run high.
And as a result, a huge contaminated territory and millions of refugees.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, they go - and let them. They will organize a radioactive garbage dump on their territory - they will live with it. The nuclear industry in Ukraine does not expect anything particularly good. Depreciation is high, equipment upgrades are not expected, and the demand for electricity is falling. In general, the feeling of a gradual immersion of the VNA in some kind of swamp ... Now even Merkel will "simplify" the entrance for ukrorabotchikh - and order ... From Poland rush to Germany, to Poland - in their place ... Deserted.

[asv363]

The nominal number of operational personnel for 2013 was about 46 thousand people. Then, in my opinion, they reduced it to 42 thousand. This is taking into account 8 full shifts per block.

[kotvov]

Well, move on - and let yourself. ,,
do you think if it bangs, then we won’t get it?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, move on - and let yourself. They organize a radioactive trash on their territory - they live with it.

For some reason, Belarus suffered from Chernobyl more than Ukraine.

[sleeve]

Why are fuel elements so much more expensive in our country? As far as I know, our external market price is noticeably lower than that of the West. Cut again? Then why are they getting off such a "feeding trough"? I'm not talking about different quality and technical requirements, a useless exercise. I hope the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant will go out in force majeure without any special consequences, it is still the closest one. It is clear that they do not care about the people there, it is clear that technological "degradation" is needed (we then have to restore everything back). But how do they refuse the dough? And we must also look at the percentage of the Westin enrichment. It seems to me that it is slightly lower than our standards, hence the different modes of its "running" in reactors, and constant "stop moments" during exploitation. As a result, more consumption in the mass (at best, God forbid us from the rest of the "accompanying" nuances).

[asv363]

Our fuel assemblies have always been cheaper.

[mad]

Quote: sleeve

And why are TVELs so expensive for us?

The price includes further disposal

[sleeve]

Oh how. I didn't think. so the Westinas are going one way? To Chernobyl? Well, how is that ?! Well, you can't turn into a trash heap so openly! Moreover, it does not have the engineering capacity to control such a thing as a nuclear storage facility.

[goose]

The first time was taken to store used assemblies on the territory of nuclear power plants. For a significant part of the assemblies from Ukrainian NPPs, the issue of disposal is not clear, therefore, they are stored with an unknown term of disposal.

[goose]

Quote: sleeve

And why are TVELs so expensive for us?

At least, because they are not made of structural steel, like American ones.

[Victor_B]

The funny thing is that inside these TVZHLOVs (Amerovskaya) our uranium.
That is, it is enriched or, conversely, diluted, with us.
Another zrada.
Well, just like with gas.

[rocket757]

Anyone who really leads to the fact that Schaub slammed, he had already pricked the skis, and he had already warmed the place farther away!
And those who know, but can’t do anything .... probably the place, too, where I will have to settle later, staked out, I already drove a shovel ....

[bald]

Good morning Victor. This is certainly said - they do not know what they are doing. Although they know how you say about skiing (alternate airfield). After all, as with fuel - where it was produced and to whom it was sold - the mining returns to the manufacturer. And for the sake of profit, they are ready to make a radioactive graveyard from the territory of Ukraine. Moreover - everyone will be taken there. Like crazy people.

[rocket757]

Hi Vladimir
It's simple, greedy goons seized power! To save the stolen Schaub, they will fulfill any will of the owners, that's a fact. Everything is logical and understandable, and even they many say it openly ... only maydown of the brain, it is treated very difficult. It seems that it is necessary that Schaub banged completely.
Here, after all, even our common Probably and Whatever it may be, you will not attract, although it is "peaceful" atom, everyone knows for non-peaceful consequences ..... this is no longer understandable!

[bald]

Dirty charges from mining - that’s it. Maybe before the elections they, ours will decide, reasons above the roof - what to expect spring.

[venik]

Quote: bald

This is certainly said - they do not know what they are doing.

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And here you are the namesake - "not pgava in the cognac" (as the classic said) ... They know! They know very well !!! It's just that THEM (giblets and Co.) - absolutely "on the drum" .... The main thing is to have time to "snatch" faster and more !! They are NOT going to live in Ukraine !! On figs it was given to them ?? (You yourself noted about the "alternate airfield"!) But only in one thing you made a mistake - THERE (in Spain, the States, Israel, etc.) - THEM has not a "alternate airfield", but "an airfield DC basing "!!! This is Ukraine for THEM" temporary airfield "or" jump airfield "...
All THEY have long been living according to the principle set forth in the old comedy film "Feast of St. Zorgen": "What is the MAIN thing in the profession of a" Saint "?? - Get out in time!" ...
WHAT will remain AFTER them? Yes, even a radioactive desert "!! They -" on the drum "!

[rocket757]

For a gang of thieves it’s quite understandable, for the bloody majdunks and their masters, too, is predictable .... but for the rest of the people you can’t understand ??? It seems that everyone in the schools studied and about vigorous surprises, they should at least know something! The question is, what are they waiting for?

[spektr9]

Fucking, and everything will fly at us ...
This is what usually happens when they let problems at their borders drift, instead of sending troops and eliminating them

[rotmistr60]

These geeks for the sake of countering Russia are ready for anything, including and the nuclear disaster. The most interesting thing is that for some reason Europe wants to think that it will not touch it and, as usual, is keeping quiet in a handkerchief ..

[goose]

Quote: rotmistr60

These geeks for the sake of countering Russia are ready for anything, including and the nuclear disaster.

No, not for the sake of. And for the cut. On contracts with Western partners, it’s easier to get kickbacks and that's it. No politics, just molestation.

[Vadim851]

But this is annoying. We have the Rivne NPP close. Now the direction of the winds is mainly west-south-west, so the radionuclides will fall on the territory of Belarus and Russia, in addition, there are no barriers to the movement of the cloud, Europe is more fortunate in this regard.

[sgr291158]

In general, experimental rabbits are made from Ukrainians, they will soon begin to mutate in their landfill.

[Larum]

Again about Ukraine. That fat is over, now I'm fuel ... until it's over ....
and next to another 3 essays lie, something ended there ....

does not bother someone ....

[thinker]

The purchase of fuel elements is just flowers, Westinghouse in Ukraine has huge plans. At the NPP, the 3rd block is already fully loaded with American fuel assemblies.

After the complete conversion of the 3-nd unit of the Nuclear Power Plant to Westinghouse fuel, the Vice President and Executive Director of the company, Aziz Dag, admitted: “We look forward to the opportunity to load other units, in particular the 3rd unit of Rivne NPP.”

And from the revelations of Aziz Dag

There are four main areas of activity. The first program by which our company is best known is the supply of nuclear fuel. The second program is improving the safety of nuclear reactors. According to the results of this project Ukrainian reactors will be improved and modernized ... The third program is increase in reactor power and their efficiency... And the fourth important program is the project of the Ukraine-European Union energy bridge.

[Azovian]

The question is price. Sorry, 1,6 times. And nuclear scientists in Ukraine, believe me, are not fools.

[goose]

Quote: Azovets

And nuclear scientists in Ukraine, believe me, are not fools.

First, nuclear experts in Ukraine have never been trained. This is Petersburg and Tomsk.
Secondly, in the case of Westinghouse, the removal and reprocessing of spent uranium is not provided. Those. it is planned to make a repository from nuclear power plants. This is probably smart. If so, then the phase shift in Ukraine has reached its limit. According to Darwin, this is self-destruction. Although those who signed these contracts do not connect their future with living in Ukraine. The problem will come out in 30 years.

[Tritebemalo]

The Sevastopol National University of Nuclear Energy and Industry SNUJAiP (the former submarine school that trained nuclear scientists for nuclear submarines) trained all the way specialists in the operation of nuclear reactors (first faculty)

[goose]

Quote: Tritebemalo

The Sevastopol National University of Nuclear Energy and Industry SNUJAiP (the former submarine school that trained nuclear scientists for nuclear submarines) trained all the way specialists in the operation of nuclear reactors (first faculty)

You explain in detail the difference between reactors at nuclear power plants and ship?

[Antares]

Normal diversification. No one refuses TVEL. Reduce the share. It is clear that TVEL is less profitable, but Ukraine regularly pays money to this daughter of Rosatom. Enriching your concentrate along the way.
The share will be reduced to 45-50%. That is, there will be 2 suppliers, not a monopolist.
Horror stories about Ukrainian nuclear power plants, about fuel and more are standard. In general, about Ukraine in the Russian Federation it is customary only to describe everything with horror stories. Like the DPRK about America ...

[asv363]

Quote: Antares

Like the DPRK about America ...

Rather the opposite.

[goose]

Quote: Antares

Normal diversification. No one refuses TVEL.

Are you aware that for the design of fuel elements of the USSR, for 20 years you have invested money in the study of structural materials and various effects such as "neutron swelling"? What Westinghouse only heard from rumors. The United States does not have a number of scientific developments for the design of fuel rods based on uranium oxide. The TVEL must be constantly rearranged in the core as the uranium burns out. There are small gaps. It is almost a guarantee that sooner or later, the use of assemblies made of ordinary steel will lead (and has already led) to jamming of the assembly, which can eventually completely disable the reactor core. There are also cases of depressurization of American fuel rods, which leads to the release of radioactive gas into the reactor hall. Usually this gas is simply pumped out by ventilation into the street without any cleaning.

I hope the prospects outlined from the amateurish approach of the Ukrainian leadership to nuclear power plants?

[xtur]

> There are also cases of depressurization of American fuel rods, which leads to the release of radioactive gas into the reactor hall

this is called a nuclear accident in a professional language and this is the highest level of potential accidents at a nuclear power plant

[BAI]

Russia has about 183,5 tons of nuclear fuel totaling almost $ 209 million.

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about 141 tons of Westinghouse nuclear fuel worth up to $ 99 million.

1 ton is almost 2 times more expensive than in Russia, plus an increased likelihood of an accident. Wow overwhelmed. By the way, where will the spent fuel be put? Hope not to Russia? There is no particular hope for Chernobyl.

[asv363]

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It is planned that in the Kiev region, nuclear waste will be brought from nuclear power plants not only in Ukraine itself, but also in Europe.

No, at the moment this is a lie. The cross-section (transverse) of the FA VVER VVER is a hexagon. For western switchgears PWR and BWR, the cross section is square. For long-term storage of fuel assemblies, containers are used and at the moment they are under the hexagon.

[APASUS]

Ukraine wants to get into the EU with at least a corpse, at least a carcass, but the main thing is to get there. Here is another not-so-strange plan with fuel for Westinghouse nuclear power plants. In case of Chernobyl repetition, the EU will simply have to take the whole country under direct control

[Andrey787]

zapfen October 31, 2018
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"Ukraine purchased about 183,5 tons of nuclear fuel from Russia for a total of almost $ 209 million."
It turns out 1 million 139 thousand per ton.
On the other hand, "Ukraine purchased about 141 tons of Westinghouse nuclear fuel for up to $ 99 million." It turns out 702 thousand per ton. "

Read the contract. Russia takes the spent fuel, but Westinghouse does not. There you have the price difference. Other things being equal, Russia's nuclear services are cheaper.

[sogdy]

You omit the cost of remounting.
As a result, Westinghouse assembly is one and a half to two times more expensive.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they go - and let them. They will organize a radioactive garbage dump on their territory - they will live with it. The nuclear industry in Ukraine does not expect anything particularly good. Depreciation is high, equipment upgrades are not expected, and the demand for electricity is falling. In general, the feeling of a gradual immersion of the VNA in some kind of swamp ... Now even Merkel will "simplify" the entrance for ukrorabotchikh - and order ... From Poland rush to Germany, to Poland - in their place ... Deserted.

That, in turn, will facilitate the creation of basing places for NATO troops (read the FSA) in Ukraine, and in the future the construction of \ bases and the deployment there of the INF. The FSA is building a long-term sore of the Russian Federation in Ukraine with all the ensuing consequences, and then very little will remain before the apocalypse.

[prior]

I look forward to seeing these Westinghouses staring someday. And there will be one "joy" for all.
In Ukraine, ammunition peacefully guarded regularly explodes, and here is a nuclear atom!
Effective managers in Ukraine are also available. First they will steal, then they will destroy the tracks ....
Go then after the accident check: was the reactor repaired or not, painted the walls or not ...

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

Transition of Ukrainian nuclear power plants to Westinghouse fuel. Do not know what they are doing?

Yes, we know, we know. This process started 15 years ago.

[Dr.KonradMorgen]

I was a little mistaken - at the beginning of June this year the program turned 18 years.

[Kontora]

Do not know what they are doing?

They all know that this will be the plan "B" of the West ... Don't get anyone and they'll rush! And who do you think of this terrible provocation will be accused of "their media and ours will scream" ...?
All right! And who will rush to save and throw huge resources on it? Only Russians ..
They want to arrange the second Chernobol, then everything turned out very on time .. The economy of the USSR, and most importantly the political, was hopelessly undermined .. And then the business of technology and the EBN turned this all together with the humpback ... All the curtain!
Western intelligence agencies clearly want to do it again .. For the sake of profit and write-off of 25 trillion US debt, they will do anything, but they are afraid to fight directly ..
These are the things in the General Staff of Russia!

[Astronaut]

Sumerian specialists rushed Chernobyl, now Zaporozhye

[Zomanus]

Near these nuclear power plants are cities where atomic workers and their families live.
You think that they’ll be risking all their money right now, trying
is there something wrong to run?
Yes, they are more likely to cut the power unit again under the pretext of an accident of something there.
How many times has this happened ...

[abc_alex]

And they are being asked? Atomic workers? There is a political decision and no other fuel. What they brought is uploaded. And with the labor market existing in Ukraine today, the specialist will remain silent and hope that in the USSR they did everything with a double margin of safety.
And then, assemblies from Westings are not that they do not start the reactor, they start and heat the coolant no worse than ours. The question is that they behave differently. It is so different that they can then not always be removed from the reactor in a regular way. It’s like a machine gun and a cartridge.

[LeonidL]

What will be downloaded - it will explode!

[LeonidL]

In Chernobyl, families and atomic workers themselves lived nearby too ... They are brave guys, these Ukrainian atomic scientists!

[LeonidL]

You ask: "They do not know what they are doing?" ... We answer: "They know, but ... they do!" ... Peculiarities of national energy, sir!

[C0ba1tum]

Guys, maybe everything is easier and worse. It’s possible that more than one squad of mattresses has already been rummaged around the UkroReactors, and the nuclear power plants have been turned into nuclear mines, a sort of guarantee of non-occurrence of Russia and the subject of blackmail. I understand that VVER is not RBMK and it will not be Chernobyl, but Christmas trees sticks if you break the automation, the supply pipes, the supply pumps and servos on A3 with simple termite charges - we get an uncontrolled reactor, meltdown and litter all over the Black Sea. In general, it is high time to insist on the International Atomic Energy Agency so that an international commission would be sent, plus our specialists, as a result, Ukria’s ushataya reactors were shut off.

[abc_alex]

The IAEA does not make binding decisions. It is a technical and advisory body. It is impossible to force the Ukrainians to shut down the reactors. They simply do not have a generation reserve for such a case. And nowhere to take it.

[Tritebemalo]

VVER-1000 is all the better because if you interrupt and turn off all the automation, then the valves will return to their original (open) position, and the reactor jacket will be cooled by gravity from the reservoir located above the reactor by convection. That is, the repetition of Fukushima is ruled out constructively.

[Tritebemalo]

Here is an interesting nuance. The life of any reactor is determined by the strength of its boiler, which in turn is determined by the number of heating / cooling cycles. And after passing a certain number of these, a re-examination, a check for microcracks, and, accordingly, an extension of the resource, pass. As far as I know, reactor manufacturers are all located in the Russian Federation. Can a manufacturer prohibit the use of substandard fuel in its product, or refuse to extend the life of a reactor due to the use of it by the operator?

[goose]

Quote: Tritebemalo

As far as I know, reactor manufacturers are all located in the Russian Federation.

In Soviet times, a single cluster for the design and manufacture of nuclear power plant components was created in Leningrad to reduce installation costs. One of the leading factories was in Kolpino. This plant did not produce profile equipment for several years, and only recently was restarted. So it may happen that production cooperation is wider than we think.