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Poroshenko recalled the "unequal battles with the troops of the NKVD"

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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in his congratulations on the occasion of the anniversary of the expulsion of the Nazi invaders from the territory of the country, he spoke about the "UPA soldiers" (organization banned in the Russian Federation), who "died in unequal battles" with the NKVD.


Poroshenko recalled the "unequal battles with the troops of the NKVD"


According to Poroshenko, Ukraine in that tragedy has "its own special, sacrificial account of countless human losses." According to various estimates, the country paid for the victory with the lives of "from eight to ten million" people, he added.

However, the Ukrainians continued to die after the accession of the long-awaited peace, the president said.

Thus, the "UPA warriors had a desperate resistance to the Stalin regime, dying in unequal battles with the troops of the NKVD," said Poroshenko, noting personal courage and irresistible strength of the spirit of the "patriots".

According to him, these examples brought up "modern patriots - the defenders of Ukraine."

Today, the gallant heirs of the heroes of the Second World and Ukrainian liberation struggle give a decisive rebuff to the newly-minted Russian aggressors and their minions in the east of the country,
Poroshenko declared.

We note that in recent years, the Ukrainian authorities have been conducting a large-scale campaign to glorify Nazi collaborators and revise stories. Earlier, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law recognizing the members of the UPA as fighters for the independence of Ukraine, providing social guarantees that have survived to the present time.
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  1. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 30 October 2018 11: 06
    -1
    Populist. Both ours and yours.
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 30 October 2018 11: 08
      +11
      Just a bargainer, without honor and conscience
      1. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2018 11: 15
        +11
        Ukrofashist Potroshenko praises SS veterans.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 30 October 2018 11: 18
          +9
          Search result for photo to article:

          Even Google is not sure smile
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 30 October 2018 12: 48
            +19
            Quote: Thrall
            Photo Search Result

            there is such a result
            1. reservist
              reservist 30 October 2018 13: 11
              +15
              why the occupier and not the occupiers?
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 30 October 2018 13: 53
                +3
                that something, tells me that vitalik would be "klichumo" further censorship is watching ... "... we had such" masters ", Fung Fru, all sorts of things ..." army hand-to-hand "quickly put in a" stall ", grandfathers will so "sweep aside" that you will forget the name of "teacher" ... because reality is harsh.
            2. kit88
              kit88 30 October 2018 15: 34
              +1
              The most important thing in any investigation is not to go out on your own.
        2. Bykov.
          Bykov. 30 October 2018 11: 25
          +8
          Quote: Bearded
          Ukrofashist Potroshenko praises SS veterans.

          Dill with the funny name VALTSMAN.
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 30 October 2018 11: 22
        +10
        Quote: sir_obs
        Just a bargainer, without honor and conscience

        Apparently, the Valtsmanov family did not meet the famous Sumerian heroes from forest caches on their way! Otherwise, there would be no one to praise this scum, Petya-du.rachok would not have been born, because of national incompatibility with the ideas of heroic killers !!! am
        1. Etienne
          Etienne 30 October 2018 15: 16
          +2
          Compatibility, as it turned out, is full:
          Father Adrian Bandera is a Greek Catholic from the petty bourgeois family of Moishe and Rosalia (Beletskaya in girlhood, and Polish Jewess by nationality) Bander. The mother of the leader of Ukrainian nationalists, Miroslav Glodzinska, is also a Polish Jewess. The meaning of the name of Bandera is explained quite simply. Modern Ukrainian nationalists translate it as a “banner”, but in Yiddish it means “stash”. She has nothing to do with Slavic or Ukrainian surnames. This is a tramp nickname for a woman who owned a brothel.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 30 October 2018 12: 02
        +1
        So to speak, it acts from its roots, you know ..... it cannot be otherwise, it is in his blood.
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 30 October 2018 16: 08
        0
        Just a bargainer, without honor and conscience

        Waltzman in one word laughing
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 30 October 2018 11: 10
      +10
      They didn’t finish the NKVD .. it was more necessary to work ..
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 30 October 2018 11: 15
        +10
        Yes, in due time they didn’t completely destroy all this Bandera’s freedom, they have to disentangle now.
        1. Detective
          Detective 30 October 2018 12: 30
          +8
          Quote: Egorovich
          Yes, in due time they didn’t completely destroy all this Bandera’s freedom, they have to disentangle now.

          Khrushchev amnestied most of the unfinished slots. Here's the thing. Some remained in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. There were no restrictions on hiring. Moreover, they stood out at home. Well, in the 70s they already headed district committees, regional executive committees. And a considerable part received positions in the ministries and departments of Ukraine. The last wife of Khrushchev was also a Galician. Big questions about the birthplace of Nikita Sergeevich. His words are known where he calls himself not a Ukrainian, that is, they all say so, but I come from the Kholm region. So the outskirts of Poland Kholmshchina was really inhabited by Slavs Greek Catholics, Uniates, Catholics and Orthodox. The Jesuits began active work there teaching the Orthodox faith alien to them. Khrushchev himself talked about the fact that for two years or two winters I do not remember exactly how he studied with the priest ... I wonder which one ?!
          1. tatra
            tatra 30 October 2018 14: 04
            +1
            You, the enemies of the Communists, are real-only when you have no benefit in lying and acting. Just as soon as Gorbachev seized power in the USSR and gave you freedom of speech and action, it immediately became clear how many of you, fierce enemies of the Communists, the USSR, socialism, climbed into the Communist Party, Soviet power for the sake of profit.
            And no matter how diligently you portray yourself as "great philanthropists" in your propaganda against the communists, OUTSIDE of it, you all prove your real inhuman nature.
            1. Detective
              Detective 30 October 2018 15: 12
              +3
              Is that you, perhaps, Irina ?! If to me, then of course I consider the enemies of Russia and the Russian Communists such as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin ... Communists were all signatories of the agreement in Belovezhskaya Pushcha that ruined the country! These are also enemies of Russia. They made the Russian people the largest divided in the world. Yes, all these Gaidar-Chubais-Kasyanovs made a career back in the USSR and they are all communists! And the Kravchuk and Shushkevichs were everywhere in all the Union republics !!! Transfer?! This, what kind of power is this and a party in which so many nits have climbed according to your words?!?! But someone else recommended them, promoted - put forward, chose ... So, that for each such incurred at least 100 more dolbs or simply open enemies! Not weak! Well, I’ve never been a communist, but for some reason do you blame me — do you feel good? Now all these communists that you climbed in are still partly communists, but for the most part liberals also hate Russia! And this is my fault ?! You are a girl of your theorists of Marxism - Leninism read at your leisure that they are not hiding deigned to talk about Russia and the Russian people! Yes, and about the Slavs in general! Lenin, Bukharin, Lunacharsky-Bailikh Mandelstam, Trotsky-Bronstein, Zinoviev-Apfelbaum, Kamenev-Rosenfeld, Dzerzhinsky, Uritsky, Volodarsky, Steklov-Nakhamkes, Sverdlov ... But you are most surely proud of the chairman of the Council of Workers and Red Army Soldiers and workers and soldiers' deputies Moder! It’s just like in a joke - one Jew is a reindeer herder!
              You personally, Irina, remind me very much of the commissar from the movie "Two Comrades Served", who, after thinking for a second, suddenly says to Yankovsky's hero - "Wait ... I recognized you! You tortured me in counterintelligence! You are a white officer !!!" Yankovsky indignantly - "You are confusing something!" The commissar looking around (perhaps looking for an armored car, as a tribune out of habit) - "Look at your hands ??? They are in your blood! Everything is clear - shoot!"
      2. 210ox
        210ox 30 October 2018 11: 33
        +11
        Well, you know very well why you didn’t finish .... A citizen sat in an embroidered shirt in the Kremlin.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 30 October 2018 12: 03
        +5
        Comrade Stalin turned out to be a greater humanist than is commonly believed. There was an amnesty for these little ones (if I'm not mistaken).
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 30 October 2018 12: 36
          0
          Quote: Kent0001
          Comrade Stalin turned out to be a greater humanist than is commonly believed. There was an amnesty for these little ones (if I'm not mistaken).

          The amnesty of Bandera, Vlasov, and police officers was under the undeveloped enemy of the people and the wrecker Khrushchev since 1955.
          And no one has amnestied the UPA. Although with our helmsmen ... it’s not yet evening.
          1. Detective
            Detective 30 October 2018 13: 39
            -5
            Quote: McAr
            And no one has amnestied the UPA. Although with our helmsmen ... it’s not yet evening.

            And who is your helmsman? Carefully it is necessary with the steering then ... So you can betray the homeland!
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 30 October 2018 13: 58
              0
              Quote: Detective
              And who is your helmsman? Carefully it is necessary with the steering then ... So you can betray the homeland!

              Yes, the same as you, like everyone else.

              Homeland and anti-people, cannibalistic regime are two different things. You have to be more careful.
              1. Detective
                Detective 30 October 2018 15: 49
                0
                Quote: McAr
                And no one has amnestied the UPA. Although with our helmsmen ... it’s not yet evening.

                The father of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the president of my country, fought in the sabotage squad of the NKVD. In one of the operations he was seriously wounded. His eldest son was taken from his mother to an orphanage for subsequent evacuation, where he fell ill and died. When the father was able to walk, he stood on crutches and went home. As he approached, he saw corpses being taken out of the front door among his wife. She was still breathing. He forced the orderlies to say that he would still leave on the road to pick her up in the apartment and go out.
                It makes no sense to shame you. You have no honor or conscience. To write such a thing about a man whose family survived all the horrors of the blockade, whose brother died, and his father defended Leningrad only a complete villain and a bastard could!
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 30 October 2018 16: 33
                  -8
                  Quote: Detective
                  The father of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the president of my country, fought in the sabotage squad of the NKVD. In one of the operations he was seriously wounded. His eldest son was taken from his mother to an orphanage for subsequent evacuation, where he fell ill and died. When the father was able to walk, he stood on crutches and went home. As he approached, he saw corpses being taken out of the front door among his wife. She was still breathing. He forced the orderlies to say that he would still leave on the road to pick her up in the apartment and go out.

                  How touching ... Glavkrys has to do with it?

                  Quote: Detective
                  It makes no sense to shame you. You have no honor or conscience. To write such a thing about a man whose family survived all the horrors of the blockade, whose brother died, and his father defended Leningrad only a complete villain and a bastard could!

                  Oh, how sensual!

                  If the family survived "all the horrors of the blockade", "the brother died", and "the father defended Leningrad," then now born in 10 years after all this, for this to amnesty all the crimes that he committed 60 years later?
                  Do you understand what you say?

                  The Glavkrys only did not sit down on the bunk because he was appointed the personal guard of the Yeltsin family, and to the load, part-time, acting the president. Otherwise, he would have been a snive, at best, somewhere near Vorkuta.
        2. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 13: 01
          0
          The famous Stalinist "amnesty in connection with the victory over Nazi Germany" of July 7, 1945 did indeed amnesty deserters and draft evaders, including those hiding in forest camps. But active members of the UPA and other anti-communist partisan movements, she not concerned.
    3. Izotovp
      Izotovp 30 October 2018 11: 12
      0
      I don’t know what kind of ours he said or did good.
    4. The black
      The black 30 October 2018 11: 24
      +7
      Ukraine must go through hunger and cold, poverty and humiliation in order to understand the perniciousness of Bandera ideology. There will be unemployment and poverty, many will die out or leave, and only then the remaining ones will probably realize that they themselves have made * pestilence and ironiness *. The current increase in gas prices for the population is only the next but not the last stage. And if they don’t understand, then everyone will die out. In the end, there are many examples in history when peoples and states disappeared irrevocably. Ukraine is neither the first nor the last.
  2. Dr.KonradMorgen
    Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 11: 12
    0
    Compared with the loss of population of the Ukrainian SSR in the Great Patriotic War - post-war losses during the anti-guerrilla war with the UPA-UNSO and the subsequent liquidation of the armed underground of the OUN-R - seem to be insignificant.
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 11: 22
      +11
      These "partisans" burned their fellow citizens alive, executed even babies with savage medieval executions.
      The NKVD with executions are just philanthropists against their background.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 30 October 2018 11: 33
        +3
        If not for the NKVD, Ukraine would have become a completely deserted desert. And during its independence in peacetime, Ukraine lost more than 8 million people. And in this figure, losses in the Donbass on both sides are simply an insignificant amount. They killed the people with economics, that is, economic genocide. am
      2. Dr.KonradMorgen
        Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 11: 38
        +1
        That the NKVD and the NKGB, as a rule, showed less cruelty than the UPA and especially the OUN-R SB units is true. Although the "pseudo-military" UPA, created from its recruited members and used at one time by the MGB of the Ukrainian SSR, were distinguished by such cruelty that even the MGB of the USSR, which was not at all inclined to scrupulousness and sentimentality, ordered them to be disbanded.
    2. Detective
      Detective 30 October 2018 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: Dr.KonradMorgen
      Compared with the loss of population of the Ukrainian SSR in the Great Patriotic War - post-war losses during the anti-guerrilla war with the UPA-UNSO and the subsequent liquidation of the armed underground of the OUN-R - seem to be insignificant.

      According to various estimates, the UPA included up to 100 people. The backbone consisted of natives of the battalions "Nachtigall", "Roland" and the SS diyizii "Galicia". Soviet troops did not face scattered gangs. By the spring of 000, all large bandit formations of the size of the battalion were defeated. According to the NKVD, 1945 Nazis were killed in 1944 alone. However, then an even more difficult moment began - the OUN members began to operate in groups of 57 - 405 people. Do not forget here, or even worse to hush up, that the "lads from the forest" were really supported by a large part of the local population. They supplied the Bandera supporters with food, let them stay. By the way, it is an interesting detail that they paid them with their own currency, printed by typographic method. They depicted a Bandera soldier with a gun calling for the overthrow of the Soviet regime. According to official data, during the struggle against the OUN underground in 8, 12 servicemen and employees of state security agencies, border guards and police, 1955 people from the Soviet party activists were killed.
      1. Dr.KonradMorgen
        Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 14: 28
        -1
        The personnel of the 2 battalions could not make up the "backbone" of the formations of such a total number.
        As for the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division in the service of SS Galicia, only a very small part of its personnel joined the UPA during the retreat of the defeated division to Slovakia in 1944. At the end of the war, the 14th division (by that time the 1st Ukrainian rifle division of the UNA) surrendered to the British.
        The last formations of the UPA battalion ("kuren") level were defeated only in 1948.
        "Currency" was called "combat fund" (popularly - "bophones"), was calculated in karbovanets, was in "banknotes" up to 25 karbovanets and was printed on hectographs.
        The official loss data is as follows:
        For the data of the NKVS URSR, in 1944-1945 pp. 39 778 check-up operations were carried out in the western regions, 103 313 were driven in, 110 785 were seized, 14 329 insurgents were arrested, 50 058 were guilty. In the outlying region of the SRCP Bulo Vislan in 1944 p. 4 744 birthplaces (13 320 individuals), and in 1945 p. - 7 393 births (17 497 individuals), knitted for children.

        At the resolution of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "About the political and state camp of the western regions of the Ukrainian RSR" dated May 26, 1953 p. bully pіdbitі first pіdbіtі pіdshki borotbi in the whole region from 1944 p. until 1952 p. inclusive: repossessed by the state up to 500 yew. ossib, including ponad 134 yew, hammered in ponad 153 yew, hanging from Ukraine, ponad 203 yew. OSIB. More data from the KDB in 1957. In the first half of the fourth department of the KDB under the Radio Ministries of the URSR, it was meant, for 1944 - 1956 pp. In the course of combat operations, as a result of suicide and "internal" terror, 155 108 individuals became irreversible in the middle of the population, of which in the lower regions - 1. During the same period, 746 individuals were guilty. U 76 - 753 pp. For all the "bargaining" of the nationalistic activity, 1943 1956 individuals were charged, for which 103 866 were convicted.

        At the quarter 1973 p. Archive of the regional KDB under the Radiominist of the URSR for the Presidency of the Supreme For the sake of the UDSR, a bulletin was prepared on the eradication of the Radyansky side from 1944-1953 pp. Sumar three times more than 30 676 died. Behind the categories, statistics perished like this:
        - spіvrobіtnikіv NKDB-MDB - 687;
        - spіvrobіtnikіv organіv vnutrіshnіkh reference - 1864;
        - vіskovosluzhbovtsіv internal vіisk, near-sided vіisk and Zbroynyh forces - 3;
        - bіytsіv vinishuvalnyh battalions - 2590;
        - representative of the authorities of radian power: deputies of the Supreme For the sake of URSR - 2; goal of oblvikonkomіv - 1; goal mіskvikonkomіv - 8; goal of the district committee - 32; goal of village rad - 1454; ішых радянських працівників - 1235;
        - pratsivnikiv party organizations: secretaries of regional committees - 1, secretaries of local committees - 2, secretaries of district committees - 44, foreigners - 160;
        - collegiate school: goal collegiate - 314; kolgospnikіv i selyan - 15355;
        - robіtnikіv - 676;
        - representative of Intellectuals - 1931;
        - children, people of the elderly, a home gift - 860.
        1. Voker74
          Voker74 30 October 2018 18: 45
          0
          May i ask Why is this document on mov?
          1. Dr.KonradMorgen
            Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 18: 55
            -1
            No problem - I answer. Because he is from the "Sound of the Working Group of Historians at the Uryadovy Committee for the Promotion of the OUN and UPA", which worked in 1997-2004. And to translate - excuse me, it was broke.
  3. vit357
    vit357 30 October 2018 11: 12
    +9
    The struggle of the heroes of the UPA and, the rest, were disregarded for the independence of the outskirts in the Belarusian village of Khatyn, was especially pronounced.
    1. Dr.KonradMorgen
      Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 11: 27
      0
      The 118th Schutzmannschaft Battalion (which together with the Dirlewanger battalion destroyed Khatyn) consisted of OUN-M men. The UPA and UNSO were controlled by the OUN-R (aka OUN-B). These are different organizations - despite the presence of the term "OUN" in the names of both of them. Moreover, OUN-M and OUN-B were divided by irreconcilable enmity - up to the mutual destruction of activists.
      1. reservist
        reservist 30 October 2018 13: 06
        +2
        and the reason for the irreconcilable enmity was German money received by the OUN members to fight "Bolshevism", which they did not share, after which Bandera and his relatives ended up in a German camp, where he remained in relatively comfortable conditions until the end of the war ...
        1. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 13: 12
          0
          And the Abwehr’s money - also. But the main reason for the split was the struggle for power in the OUN. Power is a thing that for many people has value in itself.
  4. Vova Kabaev
    Vova Kabaev 30 October 2018 11: 13
    +2
    Porosenko is an idiot!
  5. atos_kin
    atos_kin 30 October 2018 11: 16
    0
    For M. Zakharova's attention: "His words testify to an erroneous understanding of historical events and cause deep concern."
    It will just trample it. And VO will stop Parasha to advertise.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2018 11: 19
    +6
    Brazenly and cynically equated real heroes who fought with the Nazis with bloody nationalists and accomplices of the Nazis and probably more satisfied than ever. When the president has such a mess in his head, and the idea of ​​getting a hangover and even verbally annoying the Russians, then the country does not have to expect anything good.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 30 October 2018 11: 21
    +1
    Yes, he does, they sho seem to him ... their embassies or where else, it doesn’t matter. A lot of nonsense in a colored wrapper, people clogged their brains .... fills, the more there is a talker by and large.
    All of this will have to be cleaned for a long time later, some straight ahead.
  8. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 30 October 2018 11: 26
    0
    Probably nowhere are bandits so unlucky as lucky in Ukraine. belay
  9. Runoway
    Runoway 30 October 2018 11: 35
    0
    VO also has the obligation to spread every nonsense about Ukraine or without Ukraine, as without the National Interest, there will be absolutely no news?
  10. Vard
    Vard 30 October 2018 11: 35
    +2
    By the way, they gave from five to ten years for participation in the UPA ... It’s for those who gave up ... And the fact that the Memory Bell campaign is held in Russia and Ukraine at the same time ... calls out very bad thoughts ... as well as about ours NPO ... and about everything else ...
  11. intuzazist
    intuzazist 30 October 2018 11: 40
    +3
    Waltzman, is everything normal, with a head? Everything nails me, what an unprincipled creature you need to be in order to justify creatures at this post who made purses and lampshades from HIS relatives! Well, if not themselves, then Hans actively helped !!!! But they killed the Jews with pleasure! Or he took his wife’s surname, immediately turned into a Ukrainian, ceasing to be a Jew ... ...........
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 30 October 2018 11: 55
      0
      Quote: intuzazist
      Or he took the name of his wife, immediately turned into a Ukrainian, ceasing to be a Jew ... .......

      The maiden name of Poroshenko’s wife is Perevedentsev.
  12. Campanella
    Campanella 30 October 2018 11: 49
    +4
    Piglet! His Bandera’s wife didn’t open his pregnant wife? Lucky luck! Thousands of civilians burned by the OUN-UPA fighters, including children in Ukraine, cannot be denied this much? Money and power can turn anyone into a pig and a bastard!
  13. Snow_sm
    Snow_sm 30 October 2018 11: 52
    +4
    that's what it is ..... carries? what "unequal battles"? maybe these "heroes" gave birth to something similar, as "Surazh partisan land"? or Naumov's "Steppe Raid"? (I am silent about Kovpak) ... and the villages are scorched, but there is no need to fight heroism with the peaceful people ... what are their descendants-geeks and are now doing with success.
    1. Dr.KonradMorgen
      Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 13: 08
      -1
      and to shoot villages, but it’s not necessary to fight heroism ...

      Well, actually - there were quite a lot of very real and very serious fights. Moreover, the operational formations of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the MGB Troops could not always cope on their own - they had to periodically connect the army in the first years after the war. With artillery, with tanks. There were even several episodes in which tanks were used by both sides (!!).
      1. reservist
        reservist 30 October 2018 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Dr.KonradMorgen
        There were even several episodes in which tanks were used by both sides (!!)

        I wonder what kind of episodes and where does the UPA have the infrastructure to maintain armored vehicles in combat-ready condition?
        1. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 14: 40
          0
          Somehow, the UPA captured several light tanks at the end of the war and used them in battles for settlements as stationary armored firing points. The details of the capture of equipment and specific battles with its use are unknown to me. Information - from the memoirs (called "Big Hunt") of this comrade:
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Санников,_Георгий_Захарович
          The UPA had (in a small number) and other heavy weapons - mortars, a number of small and medium caliber guns, and even one Katyusha.
  14. Langf
    Langf 30 October 2018 12: 03
    +2
    Mom bought a conic, and a conic without a leg.
    Yaka Chudova igrash bu.
    Mom bought another, another without a brain.
    Yaka tsikava igrashka.
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 October 2018 12: 26
    +1
    It is time to restore the true territory of Ukraine.
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 30 October 2018 13: 03
      +1
      A start has been made from the Crimea and Sevastopol.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 30 October 2018 13: 47
        +2
        Whenever I hear about Sevastopol, I remember Viktor Sukhorukov and his immortal "you will answer me for Sevastopol" and immediately laugh, because to guess so, it was something from heaven inspired. good hi drinks
  16. anjey
    anjey 30 October 2018 12: 29
    +3

    According to him, “modern patriots - defenders of Ukraine” were brought up on such examples.
    Yes, new killers and bandits, "heroes" - you will answer for Odessa and Donbass ..
  17. Fisherman
    Fisherman 30 October 2018 12: 29
    +5
    Does Parash understand what he is saying? Does he have a conscience actually? What will Ukrainian veterans think?
    Bastard and scum this parashenka.
    But ordinary, ordinary Ukrainians suffer this mockery of themselves. Or they don’t care how this scum and similar feet are wiped on people.
    Do not be offended by ordinary people to hear this? So the Marshals Rybalko, Kozhedub and our other great military men were in vain strangling the Fritz like rats? There are no words...
    1. Dr.KonradMorgen
      Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 13: 15
      0
      What will Ukrainian veterans think?

      And in Ukraine there is no single organization of veterans of the Great Patriotic War. It split - and on ideological grounds - back in the 1990s. Therefore, each of the veterans will think his own ...
  18. sgr291158
    sgr291158 30 October 2018 13: 01
    +1
    Drunk nonsense again.
  19. fighter angel
    fighter angel 30 October 2018 13: 20
    +1
    Has Petska decided once again to lick Natsik’s ass ???
    Smear, like I'm with you, "sworn" !!!
    Well, well.
    But what can’t you do on the eve of the election?
    One just did not take into account, these games are very dangerous!
    But, apparently, you no longer have to choose ...
  20. tatra
    tatra 30 October 2018 14: 00
    0
    Openly praising the enemies of Soviet power, justifying all their crimes, their armed uprisings against Soviet power, the enemies of Soviet power still have the audacity to shout that the Soviet communists repressed them exclusively "for nothing."
  21. Etienne
    Etienne 30 October 2018 15: 04
    +2
    Towards the end of his life, Bandera summed up the “theoretical base” under his homosexuality and proclaimed it obligatory for Ukrainians: “... but the Ukrainian revolution will be distinguished from all other revolutions by close male ties. And I'm not talking about friendship here! To overthrow the occupation of Muscovites, Ukrainian men must know each other. This is the path to freedom, this is the path to independence. And I believe that one day such a day will come. ” (Stepan Bandera "Ukrainian people and revolution" 1950).
    So who are they, "ardent patriots" of Stepan Popel (Bandera)? Bugger on the banner of the heroes of the Independence!
  22. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 October 2018 15: 36
    +2
    However, Ukrainians continued to die after accessions of the long-awaited world, said the president.
    So, “UPA warriors rendered desperate resistance to the Stalin regime, dying in unequal battles with the NKVD troops,” said Poroshenko,
    So it was Stalin's falcons who shot down the Nazis, this is the heroic Soviet army, the navy and the Soviet partisans crossed the Dnieper, cleared the Ukrainian land from the Nazis, took Kiev and stormed the Carpathians. These Soviet soldiers reigned peace and went under fire further into the den of the beast. Then all sorts of UPA officers began to shoot, then understand Petro that the troops of the NKVD and counterintelligence acted competently and valiantly clearing the rear of the advancing troops and their communications from vile heroes whose hands were in the blood of peaceful Ukrainians, and their language was erased to the ground, because. while real Ukrainians climbed the Wehrmacht and SS under fire, these "patriots" licked the boots of these organizations.
  23. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 30 October 2018 15: 38
    +1
    A weak Pig openly ziganat at the camera?
    You look at Geyrop with delight ...
  24. beeper
    beeper 30 October 2018 16: 20
    +1
    Yes, and after being liberated from the Nazi occupation, many, many thousands of peaceful Ukrainian residents died a terrible brutal death from the murderer’s pawns of Ounov’s opist-Hitler henchmen, who in 1945 changed their Berlin masters to new-Phashington ones, which are still served to this day!
    In Ukraine and Belarus, even in spite of the hypocritical reticence of the official Soviet propaganda (individual, rarely shown on TV, Soviet feature films on this topic and closed trials over the identified, already in the 70s, some, from completely out-of-sight and lost fear, Khatyn's punishers are not counted, wide awareness of citizens about the anti-popular villainous crimes of Ukrainian "OUN members", Belarusian "Dubrovniks", Baltic "forest brothers", Polish "akovtsy" on the territory of the USSR was not carried out, in the history of the Great Patriotic War, schoolchildren were not mentioned - unless, about General Vatutin killed in an OUN ambush, it was pattering and indistinct, and not advertised, so as to allegedly "not offend the national feelings of the allied peoples" - this is at the request of the Communist Party of Ukraine Persek Shcherbitsky for the Ukrainian punishers of Khatyn, and those Russians, Ukrainian and Belarusian khatyney "was and was!), have always remembered, remember and will remember the villainies of the forest" upa "rey!
    Regarding the current "Judeo-Bandera" - and during the war, Bandera bandits left alive "useful Jews" - local doctors, pharmacists, dentists, tailors, shoemakers, jewelers, techies ... who worked for them mutually beneficial. Even in 1945, when after the end of the Second World War and the complete liberation of the territory of the USSR, by order of the "central wire of the OUN (already completely Bandera's)", all those who joined the Bandera gangs, the Nazi encircled and Ukrainians from Eastern Ukraine were strangled in the kryivka caches. , the "useful" Jews were not touched, they continued to serve murderers right up to the end of the forties! When, as a result of the amnesties announced by the Soviet government and the effective work of the NKVD (MGB), the OUN gangs were split into small "fights" and the question of survival arose, the local "useful" Jews who helped Bandera were killed by the "baspeka" as dangerous witnesses!
    But, probably, the most dexterous and cunning Bandera accomplices - "gesheftari", nevertheless, were able to buy off and survive, and raise offspring who are loyal to the executioners of the Jewish people and proudly call themselves "Jews" and with might and main, without a twinge of conscience and do not care about all human decency, for the sake of his, purely mercantile, interests, hypocritically glorifies the bloody bandits who killed hundreds of thousands of civilians of Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish, Jewish, Bulgarian, Slovak, Czech, .... nationalities ??!
    PS By the way, commentator Dr. KonradMorgen, intentionally or not winked , misleads the dear readers of the VO, repeating the Bandera lie about the "atrocities of the perpetrators of the NKVD" - this is exactly what Bandera practiced, disguised as Soviet soldiers or officers of the NKVD (MGB)!
    Mobile groups of the NKVD, created from "freshly" surrendered and seeking to redeem local members of the Bandera gangs and the NKVD officer who commanded them, atrocities and "such atrocities (which the" doctor "emphasizes)" were not repaired against the local population, but were identified and destroyed local bandit groups, penetrating into their caches under the guise of members of the same "militant", or even being members of the destroyed bandit group (thus deserving atonement and replacing the execution with a lighter punishment!).
    Would you, Herr "doctor", before replicating Bandera's "stories", yourself thought with your own head why the Soviet government should appoint a new chairman of the village council, "Sylrada" (instead, together with all his household members, including monthly babies, who sneaked up at night Bandera bandits chopped down with axes - "sokyrs" - Bandera in the Ukrainian people then, and many years after those events, were called "sokyrnyk", for the passion of these banded farmers' outcasts to use axes, as well as other agricultural ones, during the brutal murders of unarmed compatriots inventory, such as saws, hoes, pitchforks ...!) "to send at night a" mobile group of the NKVD "for him, frightening the local population and undermining the belief in the viability of the Soviet regime, brutal murder ??!
    These are only "menshawart" apologists of Hitler-Fashington Nazism are not at all on friendly terms with their heads, and you are really one of those ??!
    1. Dr.KonradMorgen
      Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 18: 09
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      By the way, the commentator Dr. KonradMorgen, intentionally or not winked, is misleading respected VO readers by repeating Bandera's lies about the "atrocities of the perpetrators of the NKVD" - this is exactly what Bandera practiced, disguised as Soviet soldiers or NKVD officers!

      Well, well ... Quote from the now declassified Soviet official document:
      On February 15, 1949, the military prosecutor of the Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian District, Colonel of Justice Kosharsky, addressed the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CP (b) N.S. Khrushchev with a top secret memo No. 4/001345 "On the facts of a gross violation of Soviet legality in the activities of the so-called. MGB Special Groups. ” Military lawyer writes (style and spelling preserved): “The Ministry of State Security of the Ukrainian SSR and its Departments in the Western regions of Ukraine, in order to identify the enemy, the Ukrainian-nationalist underground, are widely used so-called. special groups acting under the guise of “UPA” bandits. This very acute method of operational work, if applied intelligently, truly conspiratorially and by KGB trained people, would undoubtedly contribute to the speedy uprooting of the remains of the gangster underground. However, as the facts show, the grossly provocative and stupid work of a number of special groups and the arbitrariness and violence committed by their participants against the local population not only does not facilitate the fight against banditry, but, on the contrary, complicates it, undermines the authority of Soviet legality and undoubtedly harms the cause of socialist construction in the West regions of Ukraine. "

      I can continue, the document is large.
      But yes - "camouflage" punitive detachments were also created by the OUN-R SB. Dressed in the uniform of fighters and officers of the Red Army or the Internal Troops and the State Security Forces, the SB militants destroyed persons who collaborated with the Soviet government and discredited the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs-MGB by terrorizing the civilian population. It is known about the actions of such detachments, headed by some "Kasyan", "Morozenok" and other leaders of the "referentur" SB OUN-R.
      1. beeper
        beeper 30 October 2018 18: 59
        +1
        Herr Dr. KonradMorgen, the current "Vyatrovichs" from the Bandera "Bazpeks" are already "declassifying" such "documents" and "remember" a sufficient number of them! wassat
        I do not want and will not delve into a holivar "discussion", but this "declassified document", as well as the form on which it is printed, the typewriter font, the reliability of titles and positions, the listed "facts" and other things, serious specialists had a lot questions, even at the moment of "entering" it into "scientific circulation"! request
        But your "honest try" characterizes you enough!
        1. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 19: 13
          -1
          Well, what's the matter - list these "questions"! Or essentially nothing to say? By the way - the document is taken from Russian source.
          1. beeper
            beeper 30 October 2018 19: 23
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            What is the essence of the article? About the hypocritical celebration and "sokyrnykiv", which just venerated the deaths of tens of thousands of peaceful Ukrainians and Soviet citizens of other nationalities after the liberation of the Ukrainian territory from the Nazi occupation!
            This is about this essence, in essence, without going into details (and without getting involved in the imposed, clearly Probander's, holivar and "mouse fuss" yes ), and it was said by me, Herr "doctor"! smile
            1. Dr.KonradMorgen
              Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 19: 38
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              Those. - essentially asked questions - you have nothing to answer. OK. No more questions.
              PS Guerrilla war not conducted "with white gloves". Read books about Soviet partisans that were published before 1953 - you will learn a lot of interesting things. For example, I strongly recommend - "War behind enemy lines" of the glorious memory of Grigory Matveyevich Linkov.
              1. beeper
                beeper 30 October 2018 20: 23
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                I am glad that you understand my reluctance to raise a holivar on the topic of the struggle between the NKVD (MGB) and the Nazi-Fashington henchmen. Every time I start to delve into the "details", I tear my already torn heart, but I need it ?! You cannot return the dead, you need to remember them and not give offense to all sorts of "revisionists", but you should think about the living now! wink
                Enough, even from my barefoot childhood, I know from personal stories and read in detail about partisans, Makhnovists, Budennovtsy-Kotovtsy, all kinds of "independent" and OUN collaborators, even about the liberation movement of Africa and Asia, including reading "books about Soviet partisans released before 1953 "," we had them. " yes
                Here are just a book by Che Guevara, about partisan warfare, which floated into my hands after the "Prague Spring", I only read it in fits and starts and pushed it far on the shelf, for many decades, and did not master it then request , but this is from another topic. smile
  25. NF68
    NF68 30 October 2018 16: 56
    +1
    Again, Petro did not hang out on time.
  26. Panslavist
    Panslavist 30 October 2018 21: 59
    +1
    Tell a joke, my grandfather is Ukrainian after his release from the Nazi concentration camp. I went to fight with Bendera.
  27. Waldemar
    Waldemar 30 October 2018 23: 32
    +1
    Eternal glory to the heroic exploits of the valiant NKVD warriors who crushed the foul Bandera scum!
  28. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 31 October 2018 11: 37
    +1
    "Well, of course, the Ukrainians died in unequal battles with the NKVD fighting along with the troops of Nazi Germany." This is what Poroshenko and his Western "friends" want. But for some reason he is silent from whose hands 8 million inhabitants of Ukraine died, he never remembers the partisans of the Ukrainians of the Kovpak unit, he does not remember those who were tortured in Nazi concentration camps, and those who were killed in Babi Yar. Memory is a matter that is beneficial to me, then I remember.
  29. Dr. Bermental
    Dr. Bermental 31 October 2018 20: 35
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    the question is this! why is no one afraid of us at all? in my opinion no one was barking at the USSR ... or do we have a special plan?