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Western experts saw the prerequisites for a US civil war

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According to the British historian, a professor at Harvard University, Neil Ferguson, a new civil war may begin in the United States. About this he writes in his article published in The Sunday Times. The reason for such a war could be the next presidential election, which will finally divide American society.




The scientist believes that in recent years certain prerequisites have emerged in the United States for such a development. This, in particular, is indicated by the intensification of internal contradictions, as well as the aggravation of the “cultural conflict”.

Ferguson also notes that the beginning of a peculiar cultural civil war in the vast American segment of the Internet has long been laid. And the upcoming mid-term elections to the Congress only strengthen it.

Mailing the bombs to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, who criticize the actions of the American president, also gives grounds to speak about the high probability of a new civil war in the United States, the professor said.

The candidate also notes the high risk of civil war in the country historical University of Texas Emily Whalen. Comparing the current situation in the United States with Lebanon, where the civil war began in 1975, the American specialist found some similarities.

In particular, the United States leads, according to Whalen, “ham,” and the country has powerful and unreliable allies with their own interests and, in fact, a “caricature, ineffective government.” Yes, and the political forces of the US Republican Party in many ways resemble the Lebanese conservative forces on the eve of the civil war. The democratic party, like the progressive party of Lebanon, is "disorganized and decentralized."
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  1. Altona
    Altona 30 October 2018 07: 19
    +6
    It seems that they will first ignite the Civil War in Russia.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 30 October 2018 07: 34
      +23
      They can do it, yes. Unless we're smarter this time. There will be traitors, the main thing is that the majority do not follow them. I don’t like the current government, but I will support BB, because even if the managers are getting drunk, breaking the dishes will lead to a much (by orders of magnitude) worse situation. Russia cannot survive the new turmoil, there is no margin of safety. So you can't let the boat rock, so everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone needs to become patriots and just love their homeland. And start Working, even plowing for her benefit! Remember the genes in our blood that wake up in a difficult period .. And he, by God, has come.
      1. For example
        For example 30 October 2018 08: 01
        +4
        a new civil war may begin in the United States.

        This is Trump's mission!
        Let them feel what war is on their railway station.

        Quote: Altona
        they will first ignite the Civil War in Russia.

        And here you want to shift the responsibility to the Americans? Civil war is ALWAYS an internal affair of society.
        And our civilian was the result of the life of our state. Problems accumulated which the government could not solve.
        Yes, pouring oil into the fire, as always, was a lot and the first Anglo-Saxons. But these were OUR PROBLEMS.
        Our leaders could not, and our society did not want to.

        We’ll remove the king and everything will be formed - of course, this idea was thrown from outside. This is the same oil in the fire.
        Not a damn thing was formed or anything good.
        It turned out that the problem was not the presence of the king or the absence thereof.

        Now there are similar slogans in the USA - we’ll remove the trump and everything will form.
        So let's see how the Anglo-Saxons cope with their own social challenges.

        So that you need to think about yourself.
        Justify your own laziness and, as a result of worthlessness, do not look in the actions of third parties, even if it is beneficial to them.
        1. Altona
          Altona 30 October 2018 12: 42
          -1
          Quote: For example
          And here you want to shift the responsibility to the Americans? Civil War

          -----------------
          Responsibility for Americans? The point is not in the Americans themselves, but in the fact that our "elite" stubbornly wants to make peace with them, because they rattled off a couple of trillions to their lands and really does not want to lose them. And they know how to kindle and no matter what - hunger, civil or world war. So, indirectly, they are contributing a lot to this and through our ministers-capitalists too, who are organizing "pension reforms", then optimization of all kinds. Or do you want to proudly rank yourself among the instigators of the civil war?
      2. Altona
        Altona 30 October 2018 08: 11
        -4
        Quote: Orkraider
        I don’t like the current government, but I will support VV, because even the executives are snickering, but breaking the dishes will lead to a much worse order of magnitude.

        ---------------------------
        Support. I see no reason to support this worthless dummy. He is nobody.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 30 October 2018 08: 17
        +3
        A civil war in the USA is possible only when the elite suddenly becomes impoverished .. and until then there will not be any war, because it is not profitable.
      4. Nychego
        Nychego 30 October 2018 09: 05
        +9
        Quote: Orkraider
        for even if the managers were snickering, but beating the dishes will lead to a much worse order of magnitude.

        Alas, these phenomena are directly interconnected: the longer the lawlessness of the oligarchy's rule and the sabbath of "effective managers" continue, the more sad the historical prospects of Russia will be.
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 30 October 2018 17: 30
          +5
          Quote: Nychego
          Quote: Orkraider
          for even if the managers were snickering, but beating the dishes will lead to a much worse order of magnitude.

          Alas, these phenomena are directly interconnected: the longer the lawlessness of the oligarchy's rule and the sabbath of "effective managers" continue, the more sad the historical prospects of Russia will be.

          Thank God no. They are not related. Beating pots, that is, a revolution with a civil war will lead to an instant collapse of our life with you, as we know and love it. Overnight. Despite the "lawlessness", the development of the country is proceeding, it is slow, but it is there.

          My message seems to be misunderstood. We do not need a civil war!
          Better current managers than ephemeral mriies about the best LEADER, for the sake of which we will be helped to untie the citizen and after which they will tear apart sweet pieces and finally divide and tear the weakened territory and tear it so that we can no longer rise.

          Want to Raise Russia? Work. I do not care, I personally do not care that many steal, I do not care about Grefov and Chubais, I know that my work and my contribution lifts the country and pushes the abyss! And for the sake of this, I plow and work for 12 hours.

          And I know the young managers who you keep, who also plowed for 14-15 hours a day, and ensured the commissioning of the capacities, the Dzhubginsky, Verkhnetagilsky, Crimean state district power stations and thermal power plants. They plowed in good conscience and gained in the process of this knowledge, which they are now applying and transferring experience to other specialists.
          They and we worked, and did not talk more about corrupt officials and board members in RAO.

          And thanks to this, new capacities have now been introduced, thanks to which new Synthesis capacities have been launched, Salavat Neftekhim has been expanded.
          Do you understand?

          It is necessary to multiply, and not divide, then Russia will grow and the well-being of everyone in it. And it depends on us.

          Do you understand? From us, not from the People whom I called in my original text "Oligarchs and snatchers"
          1. Mcar
            Mcar 31 October 2018 10: 38
            0
            Quote: Orkraider
            Want to Raise Russia? Work. I do not care, I personally do not care that many steal, I do not care about Grefov and Chubais, I know that my work and my contribution lifts the country and pushes the abyss! And for the sake of this, I plow and work for 12 hours.

            A ship called Russia flies on all of its perforated sails on reefs. And we all need to do cleaning and repair cabins. So?
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider 31 October 2018 11: 39
              +3
              A ship called Russia flies on all of its perforated sails on reefs. And we all need to do cleaning and repair cabins. So?


              Not this way. The allegory is colorful, but incorrect.

              The ship is picking up water that oozes from a collision in the recent past, part of the manual pumps operate at full capacity, the sailors do not stop for a second, because they see that the water is slowly retreating and soon it will be possible to fix the patch.
              And part of the pumps are inactive and people crowded around them, constantly exclaim: -No, we will not tear and pump, the load is still not ours!
              -Capitan and the owner of the ship are idiots and mean-spirited, they had to buy automatic pumps! - The captain and officers have a longboat, they will sail away when the ship starts to sink, and then we, kaaaak, will immediately scoop up all the water and kaaaak the owner will pay us to save the ship and we will kaaak zapeye, we will drink money in taverns ...

              I looked at your further posts with pictures and realized that there was no point in answering you further. I will answer you by analogy, phraseologism, paraphrase you,
              Involuntarily recalled
              :
              "Do not throw beads ..."
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 31 October 2018 12: 39
                -3
                Quote: Orkraider
                The ship is picking up water that oozes from a collision in the recent past, part of the manual pumps operate at full capacity, the sailors do not stop for a second, because they see that the water is slowly retreating and soon it will be possible to fix the patch.
                And part of the pumps are inactive and people crowded around them, constantly exclaim: -No, we will not tear and pump, the load is still not ours!
                -Capitan and the owner of the ship are idiots and mean-spirited, they had to buy automatic pumps! - The captain and officers have a longboat, they will sail away when the ship starts to sink, and then we, kaaaak, will immediately scoop up all the water and kaaaak the owner will pay us to save the ship and we will kaaak zapeye, we will drink money in taverns ...

                Clear. But I'm not talking about that. Where does the ship sail Russia?

                In the USSR it was clear where, the goal was to build a society of the future, a society of justice. And now? Ideology is officially banned, no goals, no direction chosen. A kind of protein-carbohydrate broth with sluggish-fermentation.

                Quote: Orkraider
                I looked at your further posts with pictures and realized that there was no point in answering you further. I will answer you by analogy, phraseologism, paraphrase you,

                Involuntarily recalled
                :
                "Do not throw beads ..."

                I love proverbs full-volume. And then the meaning is distorted.

                I don’t think a person is a pig. Until proved otherwise.
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 31 October 2018 13: 26
                  +2
                  I'm sorry.
                  I didn't want to offend you, I especially noted that this is a phraseological unit. Figuratively speaking, I wanted to write: "You should not try to prove and explain something to someone who is not able to understand your motives or who will not appreciate your efforts because of your own opinion and assessment stereotypes."

                  I ask you not to take it personally, I wanted to say briefly, but sometimes the capacity leads to misunderstanding.
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar 31 October 2018 13: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Orkraider
                    Figuratively speaking, I wanted to write: "there is no need to try to prove and explain something to someone who is not able to understand your motives or will not appreciate your efforts because of your own opinion and stereotypes of assessment"

                    I agree.

                    But I hope ... And suddenly, unable to understand my beliefs, he will understand. )))
                    1. Orkraider
                      Orkraider 31 October 2018 13: 51
                      +2
                      Thank you.
                      About the USSR, I share your views, just, with great regret, I understand: you can’t return back. Therefore, I am trying to do something today, now, here. For our descendants, for people, for my employees, finally.
                      And to be honest, my opinion is always the same: if you want to make your homeland great, do your job honestly. If everyone will build his life like this: the Rosgvardeets, the prosecutor, the policeman, the worker and the industry, we will come to that country, headed by rulers worthy of its people. Sooner or later.

                      All the best, hi
      5. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 30 October 2018 09: 33
        +3
        Quote: Orkraider
        therefore, everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone needs to become patriots and just love their homeland. And start Working, even plowing for her benefit!

        Idealism is stupidity multiplied by naivety.
        Do you yourself believe that?
        That the Abramovichs, Deripaska, Sechin, Millers, Grefs and other and other - voluntarily cease to receive their billions and begin to do something for the country?
        Power - it is not from the people now. It is enough to see whose interests she supports, it immediately becomes clear who the protege of power is

        Threat voted for GDP. It’s very embarrassing now ... But faith is like that, yes ... It is always believed in the best. It was believed.
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 30 October 2018 16: 51
          +3
          Quote: ROSS_Ulair
          Quote: Orkraider
          therefore, everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone needs to become patriots and just love their homeland. And start Working, even plowing for her benefit!

          Idealism is stupidity multiplied by naivety.
          Do you yourself believe that?
          That the Abramovichs, Deripaska, Sechin, Millers, Grefs and other and other - voluntarily cease to receive their billions and begin to do something for the country?
          Power - it is not from the people now. It is enough to see whose interests she supports, it immediately becomes clear who the protege of power is

          Threat voted for GDP. It’s very embarrassing now ... But faith is like that, yes ... It is always believed in the best. It was believed.


          Idealism?
          No, a firm calculation, and only that. I will explain.
          Those surnames that you listed are far from all of Russia. Yes, they will continue to receive their millions, but even in this case, the development of Russia will continue, and the standard of living in it will improve. In the cases that are being discussed, during the Civil War, all the more thrown from the outside, there will be no talk of any development.

          There will be a collapse, the destruction of the remnants of former capacities and the final destruction of inter-structural ties in the economy. There will be brother to brother and the final destruction of the Russian people. There will be an impoverishment of the people and stronger than in the 90s, because then there was no war and there was a good Soviet reserve.

          I don’t want this, personally to myself and my family, friends, and employees, and therefore I write all of the above.

          And Believe or not believe, this is a private matter for everyone. I don’t have illusions about power, but even with this power we have a future. In the event of a civil war, there will be no future.

          hi
          1. Mcar
            Mcar 31 October 2018 10: 45
            -2
            Quote: Orkraider
            There will be a collapse, the destruction of the remnants of former capacities and the final destruction of inter-structural ties in the economy. Will be brother to brother and the final destruction of the Russian people.

            Yes, not my brothers Chubaysyatin and Co. And the people of this camarilla are not brothers.



            If the whole nation at once spat in them, they would drown. Civil War? Yes, they all sit on their suitcases - just a little whistle. But they do not invest in Russia, because they understand that they have stolen and at any moment the people will ask them. From that they keep everything abroad - money, children, families, in general everything.
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider 31 October 2018 11: 47
              +2
              If the whole nation at once spat in them, they would drown. Civil War? Yes, they all sit on their suitcases - just a little whistle
              Why was the Russian Guard created, which essentially essentially strengthened and expanded the explosives? Didn’t think about it? Not cut off. What you write about will lead precisely to a civil war.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 31 October 2018 12: 29
                0
                Quote: Orkraider
                Why was the Russian Guard created, which essentially essentially strengthened and expanded the explosives? Didn’t think about it? Not cut off.

                I understand that the Russian Guard was created to protect the oligarchy and disperse popular uprisings. But I also understand that the Russian Guard, although they look like astronauts, are not Martians. These are people like those whom they are intended to kill, if anything. They have mothers, wives, and children.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 31 October 2018 11: 32
            +1
            Orkraider! With this power, there will be no future either! But the time has not yet come for the country and the people for a change for the better. And I hope that during this period of the "guarantor" (the last one, we can't do it anymore!), The patriotic opposition will create a powerful and united Popular Front, which is at the ELECTION! will sweep this organized criminal group out of power, sweep away with the voice of the people who have seen their sight
            1. Orkraider
              Orkraider 31 October 2018 11: 52
              +2
              Popular Front, which is at the ELECTION!

              I agree! Through the elections, yes, and having deduced the real candidate, not heaped and fattened these ... To be honest, I myself remained a convinced communist in my soul, and often recall the Union with longing. With him was confidence in the future of our children and the future as a whole.
              Eugene, thank you for the dialogue, it is possible to conduct it with you, and this is really important
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 31 October 2018 12: 12
                +2
                I was not a communist, I accepted perestroika with a bang, but not the one that happened, but the one that we were promised. Now voted for Grudinin and his team. I hope that the left opposition is consolidating with all the real patriots of the country.
                And yet, we do not need to find out who is who, but together look for a way to withdraw Russia from the path leading to the abyss.
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 31 October 2018 13: 37
                  +2
                  drinks
                  I also took it with a bang, was young and too quick to judge. Now I understand the underlying reason, we were all "deceived". ))))
      6. AnderS
        AnderS 30 October 2018 11: 05
        0
        So you can't let the boat rock, so everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone needs to become patriots and just love their homeland. And start Working, even plowing for her benefit!
        You yourself, I see, is still a plowman ... If you are here to "plow" urge, then you do not need to hide behind your homeland. Speak bluntly - everyone pays for the owners - Sechin, Rotenberg and the company, otherwise their capital growth has slowed down, there is not enough for new yachts and palaces. So the retirement age for this case was increased ... Did I miss the moment when these characters were so inflamed with love for their homeland that all the money from offshore companies was transferred to Russia? Or maybe Abramovich sold his yacht to build a new drug plant? Or Sechin, at the expense of Rosneft, did not buy an apartment for 2 billion for himself, but built a plant for the production of smartphones near Yekaterinburg? Yes, patriotism and love for the homeland overflows right over the edge, especially among the oligarchs .. I am a couch patriot too ... It's about people like you and your oligarchs owners - "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels"
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 30 October 2018 13: 28
          +6
          You yourself, I see, he is still a plowman
          Oh well. I do not call, I do. And that’s exactly what, I am different from you, a truly original theoretician.
          patriotism and love for the homeland overflows right over the edge
          Patriotism and love begins with us. Start with yourself. Although you obviously do not have this love. Let me remind you of the catch phrase: where does the Homeland begin? This is not a government, I dare say ..
          It is about oligarchs like you and your masters - "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels"

          About people like you, it’s easier said: for thirty pieces of silver.

          Based on your idea, so as not to work and everything was - in your writings can be traced.

          My main one is to work for the good of the Motherland, and it doesn’t matter to me who is NOW at the helm, understand? This is our difference between my patriotism and your pouting.
          1. AnderS
            AnderS 31 October 2018 13: 54
            -1
            Oh well. I do not call, I do. And that’s exactly what, I am different from you, a truly original theoretician.
            So what are you "doing"? Are you drowning for the oligarchs in the comments?
            Patriotism and love begins with us. Start with yourself. Although you obviously do not have this love. Let me remind you of the catch phrase: where does the Homeland begin? This is not a government, I dare say ..
            Ha-ha ... horses, people mingled in a heap ... I wonder what your homeland is for you? A kind of cubic horse in a vacuum? And for me, the homeland is first of all the people. And who are these "us" in your answer? I'll open your eyes - there are no "us"! There are oligarchs who rob the people and take the loot abroad, and there are ordinary people who are robbed by these oligarchs and who can hardly make ends meet. And if the government adopts anti-people laws in the interests of the oligarchs who "earn" billions of dollars exploiting the property stolen from the people, while pensioners receive beggarly pensions, then such a government has no place
            NOW at the helm
            . As regards
            Based on your idea, so as not to work and everything was - in your writings can be traced.
            What is it clear from? I myself earn my bread, I don’t sit on anyone’s neck and don’t want to sit, I just want to JUSTICE! And about
            About people like you, it’s easier said: for thirty pieces of silver.
            no need to pass from a sore head to a healthy one, this is just not about me, but about you and your favorite oligarchs. It’s not I who publicly call for patriotism, I’m not calling for "rallying in the face of agents of the CIA \ State Department \ Mossad \ etc", but I myself, on the sly, withdraw billions of dollars from Russia into American offshore, while children in operations have to collect through SMS transfers the whole world, and retired grandmothers stand with their outstretched hands on the streets, because there is not enough pension for life. In general, there is no need to confuse the oligarchs and the people - these two communities have directly opposite interests. And if you do not understand this, you are simply not a smart person. And if you understand, but continue to drown for Putin and the company, then you are an ordinary scoundrel.
      7. NordUral
        NordUral 30 October 2018 18: 26
        +1
        Orkraider, you are unfortunately right, you will have to support the guarantor, although you voted for Grudinin, but so far, so that the liberals do not replace him, you will have to keep his side before the election, although it is disgusting to me.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 31 October 2018 10: 52
          -6
          Quote: NordUral
          will have to support the guarantor, although he voted for Grudinin

          The guarantor of what?

          Involuntarily recalled:
          Beggars pray, pray on
          That their poverty is guaranteed.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 31 October 2018 11: 08
            -1
            Mcar! You did not notice quotation marks for this word.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 31 October 2018 11: 11
              0
              I apologize if I did not notice. But now I don’t see the quotes:
              Quote: NordUral
              Orkraider, you are unfortunately right, you will have to support the guarantor, although you voted for Grudinin, but so far, so that the liberals do not replace him, you will have to keep his side before the election, although it is disgusting to me.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 31 October 2018 11: 13
                0
                McAr! I put for the blind "guarantee"
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 31 October 2018 11: 14
                  0
                  Quote: NordUral
                  For the blind I put the "guarantor"

                  Now they have appeared. In another comment. And in vain you are so "for the blind." If there were quotes, I wouldn't write anything at all.
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 31 October 2018 11: 22
                    0
                    In vain you are offended, I joked, maybe not very well. I apologize! We are from the same boat, judging by the comments.
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 31 October 2018 11: 23
                      0
                      Nevermind. )))
        2. AnderS
          AnderS 1 November 2018 01: 58
          -1
          will have to maintain a guarantor

          Uh-huh, the "guarantor" does not sleep directly, tosses and turns from side to side, worries if NordUral supports him and everyone else, the supporters ...
      8. yustas
        yustas 30 October 2018 18: 44
        0
        Yes, most will not work, most will work, but all sorts, etc. they will go...
      9. Mcar
        Mcar 31 October 2018 10: 21
        -5
        Quote: Orkraider
        I do not like the current government, but I will support BB



        Quote: Orkraider
        There is no need to survive the new trouble of Russia, there is no margin of safety. So that you can not let the boat swing



        Quote: Orkraider
        So you can't let the boat rock, so everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone become patriots, and just love the motherland.







        Quote: Orkraider
        в hard period.. And he, by golly, has arrived.


    2. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 07: 51
      +2
      What I said, but they vigorously argued with me. Yes, the Civil War and mass skirmishes are really waiting for P. Indosia, everything here is obvious as a white day.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 30 October 2018 11: 06
        0
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        What I said, but they vigorously argued with me. Yes, the Civil War and mass skirmishes are really waiting for P. Indosia, everything here is obvious as a white day.

        It should be noted that not only you and probably already several years. There are online stories by Sergei Pereslegin on the topic of forecasting. And a civilian in the United States was supposed to be in the year 20. So that those forecasts were late.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 30 October 2018 11: 57
          0
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And a civilian in the United States was supposed to be in the year 20. So that those forecasts were late.

          And that the American Civil War has already begun ?! wassat
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 19
        +2
        Why would they suddenly start a war? All riots there are successfully quenched. At least pay for Walstoryt, at least Ferguson. What about California? Already separated?
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 30 October 2018 07: 56
      +5
      Yes, it would be faster already. Maybe in the world it will become calmer.
      1. raw174
        raw174 30 October 2018 08: 20
        +4
        Quote: vkl.47
        Yes, it would be faster already. Maybe in the world it will become calmer.

        If even so happens (which I doubt), they will slam the door loudly, unleash a world war and crawl out on it again.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 30 October 2018 11: 08
        0
        Quote: vkl.47
        Yes, it would be faster already. Maybe in the world it will become calmer.

        In this case, Mexico and our country expect significant benefits.
    4. Underwater hunter
      Underwater hunter 30 October 2018 08: 07
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      It seems that they will first ignite the Civil War in Russia.


      They will not have to rekindle, our government itself will do all the work for them. In the previous news, Siluanov had enough brains on how to get away from taxes, but not enough, how to make sure that especially smart, rich people did not leave. And in the United States a civil war is possible, only on the basis of racial hostility, in my opinion. Since, their democrats and republicans are simply representatives of various lobbying groups, who have disagreements mainly on the distribution of money and power, although they can fight on this basis. In general, it would not be bad to look at it. The world would rest a bit.
      1. For example
        For example 30 October 2018 08: 17
        -10
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        .... can fight. In general, it would not be bad to look at it. The world would rest a bit.

        Yeah. Would rest the world. laughing good
        Overnight, the buck will not even turn into paper - into dust. As a result, all over the world, instead of sn, people will receive big greetings from Uncle Sema. This of course will lead to universal jubilation and worldwide relaxation.
        And why the heck to work if they don’t pay, because there is nothing?
        So the world will rest. good
        Well done hunter underwater! love
        And of course, our government and personally Siluanov will be guilty, right hunter? laughing

        In this situation, the whole world is interested in stability in the United States.
        Time to scratch your turnips and build OTHER interaction systems.

        And only frantic shouting cheers! and want to enjoy - the whole world is in ruins, but on the wreckage .....
        What if you yourself turn into dust? Or is it not about you? What are you for? laughing
        1. Underwater hunter
          Underwater hunter 30 October 2018 08: 25
          +9
          Quote: For example
          And only frantic shouting cheers! and want to enjoy - the whole world is in ruins, but on the wreckage .....

          World in ruin? Due to the collapse of the American economy? This is a great exaggeration. A couple of years the world will shake, but then it will become better. It’s time to change the world order, it is turned upside down in a world where an actor, musician, athlete, earns a lot more than a doctor, teacher, academician, there is no future .. Where, using sms, money is collected for seriously ill children, and not bent-legged soccer players ..
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 30 October 2018 09: 21
            -2
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            A couple of years the world will shake, but then it will become better. It's time to change the world order,

            to the ground we will destroy, and then .......
            1. Mr Credo
              Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 26
              0
              Well, in Russia the 90s to the bottom and destroyed! But they could not build anything on the wreckage. Communists are not good people! They still ruin their legacy and cannot destroy it! They still can not beat the damned communists in economic and scientific growth! Not otherwise the Communists had a deal with the devil !?
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 1 November 2018 19: 13
                0
                Quote: Mister Creed
                ! But they could not build anything on the wreckage. Communists are not good people!

                belay Uncle Petya you ..... to? Do you want to live in 80-90 ..... a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck ....
          2. For example
            For example 30 October 2018 09: 23
            +1
            Of course an exaggeration.
            It was for this "exaggeration" that we rushed headlong to buy up everything that was possible with a jump in the course in the 15th year.
            That is why we are yelling as announced at an increase in gas prices.

            Now, of course, many will say - I didn’t do that, but the only currency for savings at the given moment is bucks.

            Of course you are right - we exaggerate, here is only one crap - our life depends on the bucks. It’s not sad, but it is a FACT.
            So, this is not the time to enjoy the problems. We are not ripe until this joy.

            All our employers store their loot exclusively in bucks. (including the government and the Central Bank).
            So both the salary and pensions depend on this very dollar. Sadly, this is a fact.

            And if the minuses for my opinion can remove this dependence - put them a billion !!!

            And at that moment in time, when we remove the bondage from ourselves and live on our own head, and even in RUBLE, then we will give a damn about what is happening in the states.
            1. vatov
              vatov 30 October 2018 11: 18
              0
              Plus for the last 3 lines ...
        2. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 30 October 2018 09: 20
          0
          Quote: For example
          Time to scratch your turnips and build OTHER interaction systems.

          belay wassat Do you already scratch and build?
    5. Yrec
      Yrec 30 October 2018 09: 00
      +1
      BRITISH historian said ... Then you can not comment.
    6. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 10: 41
      0
      Civil war is possible in a country when there is a division in society, a difficult economic situation, and foreign agents. I hope that our leadership will do something to reduce the stratification of society between those in power and the people. This is not a normal situation when a small layer owns 80% of the country's wealth.
      1. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 31
        0
        Normal or not normal situation, it depends on the system. Everything is relative in the world. With one system, this is the norm, with another deviation from the norm. The question is, what is considered the norm for a given country and society? Who is for, who is against, who has their own proposals? Judging by the absence in Russia of protests against the system, everything is FOR! Well, except for a small population.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 31 October 2018 11: 04
          -1
          Quote: Mister Creed
          Judging by the absence in Russia of protests against the system, everything is FOR!

          Invalid output.

          There are no protest actions not because everyone is in favor, but because there is no experience to protest. In European countries and the United States, they are protesting on such petty reasons that it is surprising to amazement. Because they have always protested, they have a wealth of experience in this regard. We also had a significant break in the protest movement. Not the entire period of the USSR, but during its longer period the people did not revolt, did not strike, did not protest. There were no special reasons. So generations have grown up without such experience.

          In addition, there is a zombie factor. A lot of people hear their opinion on TV. Therefore, and "for".
    7. Trotil42
      Trotil42 30 October 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Eugene .. don’t complex you like that ... Gref back in 2008. predicted the separation of Texas and the bankruptcy of California .. the collapse of the dollar .. here professor will smoke the right weed and everything will be tip-top .. wink
  2. Orkraider
    Orkraider 30 October 2018 07: 19
    +16
    Maloreal nonsense. With their standard of living and the state of special services, the absence of the masses with a desire to turn the foundations and extremely effective police apparatus ..
    Brad.
    A pity of course. In general, it is so easy for the world not to get rid of them))


    1. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 07: 54
      +2
      Apparently you were not in the United States, much less have relatives there ... Fortunately, it is true that American society is extremely divided (not only politically), a large number of unresolved ethnic conflicts and an infinite number of various trunks of any lethal force. Special services will not stop the process.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 30 October 2018 08: 09
        0
        In principle, not necessarily a civil war. Even some kind of blind riot is enough to start a chain reaction throughout the country.
      2. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2018 10: 44
        0
        If the standard of living in the USA decreases, it flares up so that it doesn’t seem enough.
      3. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 41
        0
        But the number of trunks did not lead to a civil war for either Americans or Iraqis under Saddam. Maybe it's not the trunks? Maybe it's about ideas, leaders and organizations? What resistance can there be in a society where a cult of personal ego is cultivated? In the kitchen, they may be buzzing. But resistance is a collective. And they have no sense of collectivism. Everything is viewed through the prism of self! In Russia today, too, the cult of one's own self has been developed. In the struggle between I and WE, who has the best chance of success? What did Mayakovsky say there? One, will not pick up a simple five-pointed log! Especially the five-story house! And he is right!
      4. Orkraider
        Orkraider 30 October 2018 13: 39
        +1
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        Apparently you were not in the United States, much less have relatives there ... Fortunately, it is true that American society is extremely divided (not only politically), a large number of unresolved ethnic conflicts and an infinite number of various trunks of any lethal force. Special services will not stop the process.

        My regards!
        He was when he received turbines for Dzhubginskaya, and this is not so long ago. And there are acquaintances living there for about 20 years, so I heard about their life. By the way, although they have lived there for 25 years, they plan to move from there, but this is another topic.
        About trunks - it won’t make a revolution, they don’t have a common idea and most passionate people are proud of the country in which I live and have room for expression (from law enforcement agencies to business), and the rest are worthless and will follow their tail.
        There are no prerequisites, really not.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 17: 55
          +3
          With all due respect, you do not understand the problems of American society, its differences from Russian and any other, and most importantly, the neglect of the processes there. The question is not self-expression, they do not apply those conclusions that we usually make when analyzing passionarity, class theory, etc. In the United States, a fantastically motley composition of the population (has no analogues), which was not united by ANYTHING AT ALL except a phony letter called "American Dream" - and it disappears from year to year. Interethnic enmity is insoluble, because whites will never give up their positions, but they are guaranteed to surrender (paradox), because they are becoming less and less, and black, Latinos (also by the way heterogeneous) are definitely waiting for revenge for all centuries of humiliation. But the funny thing is that the whites also do not have at least some kind of homogeneity, only about a third of them are Anglo-Saxons, and it was the representatives of the Anglo-Saxons who were the most active part of the ruling and middle classes until the middle of the twentieth century. The Ku Klux Klans are experiencing a second youth, the hatred we see is spreading to the Jews, and this is a small fraction of the problems listed, I will only note the highest level of mental illness and the use of psychotropics on the planet.
          With regards to weapons - the classic Chekhov is right here: a hanging gun will fire sooner or later. And if these rifles are FOUR MILLIONsmile...
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider 30 October 2018 18: 56
            +1
            Hmm ... you're right. I agree.
            The only thing I think is that this gun will fire only when the "American Dream" collapses. And with the printing press and exchange for paper, this will not happen soon. IMHO.
            But when the quality of life deteriorates sharply, yes ... dreamy. I agree with you about swallowing all kinds of rubbish. In my opinion, everyone is sitting on them and at the same time they consider it fashionable to discuss this: - But to me, when I was admitted to a psychiatrist, they’ve registered ... pah. Latinos did not notice the discontent, by the way, but the African Americans do not want to work at all, that is, yes.

            Good night to you!
            hi
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 30 October 2018 07: 22
    +1
    if there is even a small chance of an early start of a civil war in the United States, it is because of their mediocre congress and senate, which because of their insanity do not see anything further than the nose. and the president, even the same trump, no matter how aggressively impulsive he is , just a puppet. and, the more aggressive the Trump, the higher his chances of a second term in the White House.
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 10: 46
      0
      The confrontation between Trump and the establishment is already shared and destabilized by American society.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 44
      0
      Oh well! What war if business suffers !? In which case, immediately begin to agree and come to a consensus!
  4. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 30 October 2018 07: 24
    -2
    The long-predicted collapse of the U.S. and the dollar. The mask with its missiles and cars will also fall apart. Prominent scientists from the Institute of the USA and Canada discussed this under Academician Arbatov.lol
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 30 October 2018 07: 55
      +2
      Quote: gunnerminer
      The long-predicted collapse of the U.S. and the dollar. The mask with its missiles and cars will also fall apart. Prominent scientists from the Institute of the USA and Canada discussed this under Academician Arbatov.lol

      Hi Gunka!
      Take more time bmpd, there are too few of you there, everyone is sad laughing
      1. Sarmat Sanych
        Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 08: 39
        -1
        bmpd ?? Someone else goes to this trashwassat?
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 30 October 2018 13: 40
          0
          In terms of news, they are extremely operational. Here you are in vain. Any source of information should be perceived.)))))
    2. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 10: 53
      +1
      The dollar pyramid is well described in the movie "Zeitgeist". Obviously, this pyramid will collapse sooner or later, as you do not support it with weapons and wars around the world.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 30 October 2018 07: 26
    +2
    War? Civil? Yes, yes, they will start throwing burgers, but mocking / suing each other without stopping.
    There can be nothing else from a good life. For something more intense, you need a Schaub in the neighborhood, someone was poor and hungry ... but then it will just be a conquest, there can be no talk of internal conflict.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 30 October 2018 11: 00
      -1
      As soon as the long-awaited collapse of the US and the dollar takes place, the rapid development of the Russian economy and, accordingly, defense power will begin. This was scientifically proved by Academician Arbatov, his son and authors of dissertations of the Institute of Marxism lol Leninism.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 October 2018 11: 14
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        collapse of the US and the dollar, the rapid development of the Russian economy will begin

        Tales are tales.
        We have enough horned-bearded cloven-hoofed animals to "successfully" neutralize any positive circumstances of the world conjuncture! For every useful trend, even inside, even from the outside, there is a local, home-grown goat .... artiodactyl, which will work cabbage and work, one way or another way! This is ce la vie.
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 49
        +2
        Well, and why, at our distances, there is no rapid development of high-speed trains, planes, buses, road trains, ships? Where is all this? But theoretically, we must be leaders in these matters!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 October 2018 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: Mr Credo
          Well, and why, at our distances, there is no rapid development of high-speed trains, planes, buses, road trains, ships? Where is all this? But theoretically, we must be leaders in these matters!

          So they wait! The long-awaited and imminent collapse of the stripes, the omnipotent bucky in addition!
    2. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 17: 59
      0
      And do not consider 50 million American beggars? And four hundred million trunks in the hands of the American population, apparently, too? Which by the way ranks first in terms of the number of mental illnesses on the planet.laughing. A massive civil slaughter in the USA is inevitable, there is no doubt about it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 October 2018 19: 15
        0
        Yes, yes, collapse is inevitable! Just never heard that a riot in a madhouse ended with something more than a well-deserved straitjacket and shirts for all living participants in such a bedlam!
        Here is a madman at the head of the crowd, in appearance and on medical grounds, the normals are much more dangerous!
  6. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 30 October 2018 07: 29
    +5
    The basis for the civil war, as I understand it, will be:
    Mailing Bombs to Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton

    cultural civil war on the open spaces of the American segment of the Internet

    could think of something more intelligible ....
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 October 2018 07: 39
      +5
      Quote: Lara Croft
      more intelligible

      According to the British historian

      What did you want from them? These are British scientists!
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 30 October 2018 07: 51
        +1
        These are British scientists!

        Nuuu this time, the British at least gave reasons that are a bit similar to the facts :)))
        Already progressive))
  7. Holsten
    Holsten 30 October 2018 07: 42
    +4
    The "bankers", having become, thanks to Reaganomics, chief executives in the US ruling elite, will fight for their place to the last American. Having got the better of the "production workers", they received not the notorious 300% of the profit, but much more. "With 300% there is no crime that he (the capital) would not dare to commit, at least under penalty of the gallows." And then the civil war was no longer a crime against the people, but an adequate commercial measure: Nothing personal, it's just business
  8. Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 30 October 2018 07: 45
    +3
    Give the Texas People’s Republic and Alaska OUR! soldier
    1. Dr.KonradMorgen
      Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 11: 18
      +1
      Give The Texas People's Republic

      Has already:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Республика_Техас_(движение)
  9. Sailor
    Sailor 30 October 2018 07: 48
    +2
    Itself, obviously, will not flare up. But after all, if you look at how they themselves work effectively according to a seemingly primitive pattern (BABKI for bribery and intrigue, all these NGOs with human rights, media propaganda, bots on social networks, etc.) in all corners of the world - they work for Slavs, Arabs, Negroes, partly with themselves, they run it in the last elections, then WHY, thunder strike me, a serious opponent can’t do it against them ?! And the meat for the revolution can be found everywhere (all sorts of tanned in the ghetto, Latinos, but with the right approach, I think of some farmers). That’s what else our strategists learned from them smile
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 10: 57
      +1
      The instigators of the American Civil War - the Latins are already marching to Washington by march from Honduras.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 53
      +1
      Here, too, I am surprised and no one explains. Best practices and technologies should be adopted. The question is, why no one takes over their experience? This is a mystery! No one in the know, or is everything in proportion?
      1. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 30 October 2018 13: 24
        +2
        "A civil war can start in any country. Except the US. Because there is no US embassy in the US."
        wassat
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2018 07: 59
    +4
    a new civil war may begin in the USA
    Probably unlikely, they too snickered there. But on the other hand, this is better than 3rd MV.
  11. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 30 October 2018 08: 05
    +2
    The paradox is that the stability of the United States as a state today is not higher than that of the former USSR. While the economy is pulling, but if there is some kind of failure, and the Americans will be advised to tighten their belts, then an explosion of discontent will be inevitable. It is already climbing out of all the cracks, but so far has been restrained by domestic political games. Trump already understood the threat by limiting the influx of migrants. But this does not save the situation. The American army itself is too diverse in ethnic composition, religion, etc. And the involvement of the army in a civil war can be monstrous to save the country. hi
    1. Machito
      Machito 30 October 2018 10: 59
      0
      The United States now largely resembles the USSR. They lack only Gorbachev. Although, maybe Trump will do the job.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 30 October 2018 12: 58
      0
      All coups are made with the support of the military. And it seems no lower than the rank of colonel. Pinochet, Saddam, Gaddafi and others. Which of the US colonels is in poverty?
  12. bald
    bald 30 October 2018 08: 17
    +5
    That’s not baptismal, but if I’ll stagnate it (their war), I’ll go to church and put a candle in the icon for Nicholas the Wonderworker. Offspring, has long been punished.
  13. Masya masya
    Masya masya 30 October 2018 08: 30
    +8
    His words, yes to God in ears ... only weakly believe in the possible ...
  14. Cycle boss
    Cycle boss 30 October 2018 08: 42
    +3
    Better them than ours. Maybe in the rest of the world it will become calm. The sponsor of terrorism will be busy with his problems. We will help the state of Texas and Alaska in the struggle for a just cause.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 30 October 2018 13: 00
      -1
      Yeah! Help! LDNR have already helped! Well, her help in figs!
  15. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 October 2018 08: 53
    +2
    According to British historian Harvard University professor Neil Ferguson, a new civil war could begin in the United States.

    ... the neighbor is always more beautiful ... laughing
  16. xtur
    xtur 30 October 2018 10: 06
    0
    Drobnitsky also thinks so - https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/10/30/948269.html
  17. Dr.KonradMorgen
    Dr.KonradMorgen 30 October 2018 11: 15
    0
    According to the British historian, a professor at Harvard University, Neil Ferguson, a new civil war may begin in the United States. About this he writes in his article published in The Sunday Times. The reason for such a war could be the next presidential election, which will finally divide American society.

    "British scientists have proven ..." laughing The usual cheap self-promotion comrade. historian by "issuing to the mountain" and subsequent "promotion" of a sensational forecast.
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    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 30 October 2018 16: 12
      +1
      It is a pity that the Russian Federation does not help in word and deed.
    2. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 30 October 2018 18: 06
      +1
      There are already more than 50 million blacks, more than 50 million Hispanics and Latins, and less than 2000% of whites in the United States since the early 50s. At the same time, whites are also heterogeneous, of which there are less than half of the Anglo-Saxons, and each nationality may well defend the interests of its own nation in the first place. Hundreds of nations, rabble from around the world gathered Omerig)). And then there is the general rejection of the excessive Trump passion for Jews, the mortal enmity between Democrats and Republicans - in short, the uncultivated field for Civil War 2.0 in the United States.
    3. beeper
      beeper 30 October 2018 18: 43
      0
      In a Nazi state, a "world gendarme," and with total surveillance of its own citizens (Orwell's fantasized "Big Brother" fades before American reality! yes ) there can be no large-scale "blaze"! wink
      Well, perhaps, the authorities will give the plebs a little "let off steam", in strictly controlled doses, as in 2014, in Ferguson (I think that the fake name of "a British scientist (for the sake of greater reliability," specified ")" should have caused this association from the "newsletter" inhabitants)!
  19. ALARI
    ALARI 30 October 2018 12: 39
    +1
    Citizen in the United States, do not tell. For the ruling class in the United States, the people are nothing, former emigrants. They are more likely to utilize half the population than they will reach a citizen. Many immigrants will come.
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 30 October 2018 16: 11
    +2
    God grant that this world cancer tumor devours itself and metastases (their sixes) no matter how much later we cut them out.
  21. faterdom
    faterdom 30 October 2018 17: 06
    0
    They were so intolerant of others that they did not notice that they became intolerant of themselves, because the States consists of large 6-7 groups of "others".
  22. 100500
    100500 30 October 2018 17: 10
    -1
    Of course, I do not pretend to be an expert in any case, but meanwhile I see the prerequisites for starting a civil war in Russia. Not until Chechens and Ingush shoot each other on an industrial scale, but somehow this incessant fuss about the administrative border between Chechnya and Ingushetia is annoying. And if this issue is not resolved then the consequences can be unpleasant.
  23. beeper
    beeper 30 October 2018 18: 24
    0
    Why does the enemy break out ?! wassat
    After all, all adequate people already know that where there is no American embassy, ​​there can be no "Maidan revolutions" and "civil wars"!
  24. Mentat
    Mentat 30 October 2018 21: 50
    +2
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair
    Quote: Orkraider
    therefore, everyone needs: liberals and communists, nationalists and oligarchs, and even "thieves", everyone needs to become patriots and just love their homeland. And start Working, even plowing for her benefit!

    Idealism is stupidity multiplied by naivety.
    Do you yourself believe that?
    That the Abramovichs, Deripaska, Sechin, Millers, Grefs and other and other - voluntarily cease to receive their billions and begin to do something for the country?
    Power - it is not from the people now. It is enough to see whose interests she supports, it immediately becomes clear who the protege of power is

    Threat voted for GDP. It’s very embarrassing now ... But faith is like that, yes ... It is always believed in the best. It was believed.

    Are you hoping to regain socialism or are you aiming at communism? And the people are ready, not to mention the aforementioned oligarchs and corrupt officials, if not all, even at least part, to abandon the sweet pieces, to which some, which are equal, have fallen? Your idealism has not ended, but flourishes in a riotous color.

    In order to at least ponder this, it is necessary to educate at least two generations in a healthy way and the strengthening of the economy would not hurt. “Take away the GDP and heal” - this is a stupid slogan, inspired from behind a hillock, as the previous speaker said. Instead of a lot of work, press the button - you get the result. Which one? Have you given yourself the trouble to think about it? They gave the brain a job to think, for example, why the current "communists" did not consider it indelible to go in the same column with liberal grant recipients? And you think. Zyuganov apologized to his voters for the fact that the red banners suddenly appeared next to the bulk and to?
    1. Old bun
      Old bun 31 October 2018 11: 17
      +1
      [/ quote] [quote = Mentat] In order to at least think about such things, you need to educate at least two generations in a healthy way and would not hinder the strengthening of the economy. “Take away the GDP and heal” - this is a stupid slogan, inspired from behind a hillock, as the previous speaker said. Instead of a lot of work, press the button - you get the result. Which one? Have you given yourself the trouble to think about it?

      Sound words! I agree with you and Orc!
  25. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 31 October 2018 09: 50
    0
    I have periodically seen this tale of the American Civil War in the media for about 15 years.
    The US National Guard will suppress any spontaneous armed rebellion, and it is not possible to hide preparations for a great confrontation, activists will be transferred even at the preparation stage.