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Central African prize. Learn from the Americans?

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Quite a lot lately News, one way or another connected with Russia, comes from such an exotic place as the Central African Republic (CAR). Here is the death of Russian journalists who went (with Khodorkovsky’s money) to investigate the activities of Russian private military companies in the Central African Republic, and the accusations that Moscow is supplying weapons government in Bangui, the capital of the republic. And recently, the media actively discussed the stuffing, according to which the Islamist rebels issued an ultimatum to the government, where they demanded, among other things, to withdraw all Russian military from the country.


And although the official representative of the Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, has already refuted this information, it still seems to be a feeling that it is not without purpose. So, we should have a little closer acquaintance with the place on the map, for which someone is so actively fighting: whether the Kremlin, or the oligarchs connected with it, or some other terrible “Russians”.



The Central African Republic is, surprisingly, located in the heart of Africa. From its borders it is quite convenient to get immediately to the northern, and to the eastern, and to the west coast of the African continent. And to the west coast, where Nigeria is rich in oil, a modern strike aircraft like the Su-34 will “reach” with a full bomb load. Within the combat radius of such a machine is the coast of the Red Sea, which is of great importance in terms of providing logistics for the main hydrocarbon “pantry” of the planet, the Persian Gulf.

True, the CAR itself has no access to the seas. Partly because of this, the industry in the country is in its infancy. Even in spite of solid reserves of diamonds, uranium and some other minerals, agriculture and forest industry (often appearing as primitive hunting and gathering from anthropology textbooks) brings the main income to the republic. This is probably partly why the Central African Republic is one of the poorest countries in the world. And this is not just sensations or comparisons of travelers, it is quite an official UN assessment in recent years.

The CAR appears to be a small state if approached with African standards. But it, nevertheless, 42-I in the world on the area the country. In Europe, she would be somewhere at the level of Poland or Germany. At the same time, surprisingly, it still does not suffer from overpopulation typical for Africa - the population is about five million people, and the density is approximately at the level of 6 people per square kilometer. It is also worth noting that this is not the driest state in Africa, and the country could well feed its population with all traditional foods.

However, food is imported by the CARs. And the reason for this, in addition to technical backwardness, was the civil war, which, now fading, now breaking out again, has been going on for the second decade.

As is often the case, the civil war in the Central African Republic has unfolded due to religious controversy. About 80 percent of the population of the republic are Christians (mostly Protestant - Baptists and Lutherans). But about 15% of Muslims who are strongly influenced by the Islamic countries of the north and northeast of Africa, including Sudan and Chad, and the Islamists of Somalia and Libya also live in the country. And one day a civil war broke out between Muslims and Christians, which has not stopped yet.

Without delving into the causes of the conflict, let's just state the main thing: the state we are interested in is by no means a simple goal for anyone's geopolitical aspirations. It is not at all like a ripe fruit, ready to fall into the hands of any large geopolitical player, as we sometimes try to imagine. Probably, there is some sense in the struggle for influence in this country, but so far neither the outcome of this struggle nor the estimated value of a possible acquisition is completely unclear.

Actually, right now our conversation has come to the most interesting and important point, namely: should Moscow “invest” in a similar project, or is it not necessary to rush it? The question is not idle, because we all understand perfectly well - such a geopolitical “projection of force” will certainly cost us billions of dollars, and there is much to spend on them within the country.

Probably, we need to get rid of the confidence that in the CAR we can count on the implementation of some simple force scenario. The fact is that there can only be one simple force scenario: take the side of the Christian majority, force Muslims to pacify and develop relations with the government that is grateful for our help (we will hope so). The variant is rather simple, obvious, easily realized, but there is one “but”: if we realize something similar, then there will be nothing left of our support in the Islamic world. And not only American satellites like Saudi Arabia will turn away from us, but also traditionally friendly Egypt. And with it, all influence in the north of Africa will be lost.

That is, this option is counterproductive by definition, and it offers us more minuses than advantages.

You also need to understand that the region of Central Africa is traditionally under the strong influence of the French, the former local colonialists. The official language of almost all of North Africa is French (often not the only, but “one of”, along with some local ones), and local elites not only traditionally face Paris, but are also quite tightly tied to French intelligence.

So, even in the event of a military victory supported by Russian political forces, we are far from being guaranteed the role of an “elder brother” and manager of local resources. Rather, we can expect the betrayal of the Aborigines, and in the end we will get a double blow - and we will disagree with the traditional allies, and we will be left with nothing.

Of course, you need to understand that the ocean is unlikely to calmly look at Russia's efforts to gain a foothold in Central Africa. And Washington will at least help Paris ...

The opposite variant looks doubtful: to get involved in the conflict on the side of the Muslims. Alas, national conflicts in Africa are resolved very specifically, and in the event of a final victory of the Muslims, the case is likely to end with a massacre and millions of refugees. Even now, experts from the UN and international humanitarian organizations are showing signs of genocide in the CARs. And it is unlikely that we really need to be blamed on Russia for the massacre, comparable to the genocide of the Tutsi ethnic group in Rwanda.

That is, it turns out that the Kremlin simply does not have simple and clear options. So, we need to calm down a bit and stop responding too actively to articles in the media, where Russian PMCs are already dividing almost the whole of Central Africa.

Of course, there are enough intelligent people in the Kremlin and the Russian Foreign Ministry who are well aware of the consequences of ill-considered steps in this region. Therefore, let us assume that we should not expect any sharp movements in the foreseeable future either from the political leadership of the country or from the army.

No, no matter how much we want the opposite, in the coming years we should not expect our military air bases to appear in Central Africa. Also, we will not see the CARs in the BRICS and CSTO. Yes it is, in general, and not necessary.

In this case, the activity of Russian PMCs does not anticipate any serious interference by the RF Armed Forces, but is completely self-sufficient. And no matter how much the ideas about Russian power stretching to other continents warm us, the case is most likely limited to the protection of commercial interests.

Another thing is that commercial interests associated with the development of uranium and other minerals may be quite obvious continuation of the interests of the state. With all the ensuing consequences, such as support for the special services and the political patronage of the Kremlin.

In the end, the Americans act in much the same way. And they have something to learn in this matter ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 30 October 2018 12: 06
    +25
    Or maybe somewhere closer we find what to develop, build and build .. In the same Siberia for example.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 October 2018 12: 37
      +3
      And who for the development of something in Siberia will give dollars? belay Have you not noticed that in Russia it is customary to build, mine, develop, produce only what makes it possible to approach currency flows. At one time I was very interested in the external debt of the Russian Federation, where the share of public debt, as such, is only 8%. The remaining debt more than half consists of debts of enterprises, banks and corporations ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 30 October 2018 12: 43
        0
        And for development in the Central African Republic, "dollariyev" will be given? They will give where there is a return. And where there is anarchy, I doubt it.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 30 October 2018 12: 47
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          Quote: 210ox
          And for development in the CAR "dollars" will be given?They will give it where there is a return. And where there is anarchy, I doubt it.

          No, of course ... wassat They will issue a card of the "Mir" payment system with 11 rubles of monthly payments ... lol
          1. 210ox
            210ox 30 October 2018 12: 52
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            Since it is difficult to find a well-paid job in your homeland, you will have to "work" where there is malaria and other nasty things.
          2. bandabas
            bandabas 30 October 2018 18: 49
            +2
            In our native country, this amount and the benefit at the employment center does not reach, 2 times with a little. Wonderland, however ... There is no profit anywhere, all are poor, even the "owners" do not have enough money to pay for "factories, newspapers and ships". And, therefore, the Russians will throw themselves off once again on "It's not mange pa si zhur."
        2. cost 75
          cost 75 30 October 2018 12: 57
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          And for development in the Central African Republic, "dollariyev" will be given? They will give where there is a return. And where there is anarchy, I doubt it.

          Our government will give an interest-free loan
      2. Machito
        Machito 30 October 2018 14: 56
        -1
        Russia is definitely not up to the CARs now. Unless plutonium was found there wink
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 31 October 2018 07: 53
          0
          For information - plutonium in the form of deposits is absent. It is obtained only in the processing of spent nuclear fuel in reactors.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 31 October 2018 14: 29
        +2
        ROSS! All these debts of thieves-oligarchs will hang on us, on the people. And with these that are in power in the country, this will only be so.
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 31 October 2018 14: 35
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          Another nonsense, debt is simply considered generally as an external debt, and for private companies it has its own from the state.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 October 2018 12: 43
      +7
      Quote: 210ox
      Or maybe somewhere closer we find what to develop, build and build .. In the same Siberia for example.

      well, now the local couch general will tell you that from bases in the territory of the Central African Republic, you can keep Africa under tight control, as they are praying now to Tartus with Khmeimim lol
      1. 210ox
        210ox 30 October 2018 12: 46
        +3
        Yeah ... Even the Soviet Union didn’t keep half of Africa under control ....
    3. max702
      max702 30 October 2018 22: 44
      -3
      Everything is very simple in mind, we have to sharply raise rates .. We can’t restore the necessary order by traditional (power) methods .. There are no such resources .. Therefore, it’s necessary to act easier and more impudently stupidly to destroy everyone who tries to prevent us there by force TNW .. Why? Why not then? It’s far from home and the locals are not sorry .. Everything according to the US precepts as a advised author .. The Japanese are still happy that the owner of their nuclear club has fallen in love .. We will still be to blame, and therefore we have nothing to lose, we must act brazenly and confidently.
    4. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 4 November 2018 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Or maybe somewhere closer we find what to develop, build and build

      When communism was built in Africa, supplying advanced weapons, creating armies, building hospitals, schools and factories in exchange for bananas, this did not cause outrage. It was only necessary in exchange for raw materials, and not for "thanks", to start doing something there, so immediately there were dissatisfied :)
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 4 November 2018 20: 12
        -1
        It seems to me that you overestimate the discontent of this gentleman and his ilk. I am more than sure even to such reasoning that you brought them they did not reach. It’s just that someone authoritative for them constantly repeats to them that it’s good what’s bad, how to think, how not to and who stole what.
        I have an old acquaintance, do you know how he admires another internet guru? I looked at this one - he scolds them so, scolds them so! and a face full of delight.
        All these theses that something is closer or not so, but like that, etc. this is not a thesis from any inferences; it is the thesis that people are completely divorced from reality. Well, how can tractor uncle Vasya imagine the world, politics, state structure, economy and other events? only at its level, often extremely low. The level of argumentation is zero, in the discussion it is completely impossible to tell something. One similar one wrote to me here. Fiercely attacked, they say he was bored and he will now show. In response, saying a bunch of dull and delusional platitudes, he wrote that he did not want to answer me.
        It always seemed to me before that a smart person finds not just ways out of situations, but as simple and effective as possible. And now I understand that only these smart ones are extremely few. Now everyone writes decisions and thoughts are extremely simple, but it really is from simplicity. :)
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 30 October 2018 12: 14
    +13
    In the end, the Americans act in much the same way. And they have something to learn in this matter ...[Quote] [/ quote]

    Yes, you need to learn from the Americans and much. But not in this case. In foreign policy, at present, you need to proceed and react only to vital interests, where, no matter how, Crimea, Ukraine .. Syria is not sure .. We need to focus on internal problems, there are so many of them in the country .. And so it all looks like adventures and inept money spent that should work for their own country.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 October 2018 12: 53
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      Quote: Svarog
      Syria is not sure ..

      If they fought in Syria, as in Vietnam, then there would be a sense. And there, some are fighting, while others - in Moscow, agree with sponsors and their satellites ... I am not sure that in this way it is possible to establish peace in this region.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 October 2018 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        If they fought in Syria, as in Vietnam, then there would be a sense. And there, some are fighting, while others - in Moscow, agree with sponsors and their satellites ...

        You just described the war in Vietnam. smile
        For the main claim of the veterans of that war against the US government was just the sacramental "politicians have betrayed us!": while some were fighting in the jungle, others negotiated in all sorts of Paris with the Viet Cong and its sponsors. And then all sorts of political games began such as temporary truces or a ban on bombing the ports of North Vietnam (through which Soviet aid was flowing).

        So Syria is not the first place where the military believes that politicians put sticks in their wheels. However ... at least Boris Abramovich is not there.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 31 October 2018 14: 35
      +1
      For the upper in Russia, our (our former) country is only a territory for a robbery with a completely impudent people, stubbornly not wanting to die out at their desired pace, and even pumping rights. But learning from the Americans is not a sin, just like learning to learn the right and good things in life, that person, that state. The only question is what is very bad with the state and the 1991.
  3. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 30 October 2018 12: 37
    +3
    So far, the situation with the CAR is not particularly problematic for Russia; rather, on the contrary, we are doing everything correctly. First, the French “scored” on the CAR and to help their own wards, as a result of which more than half of the country came under the control of Islamic jihadists, and the share of the Christian population decreased from 80% to 60%.

    Secondly, very little, but timely assistance was provided (which was not, for example, in Syria - and what it led to, we all see), both in small batches of inexpensive weapons and by military experts, successfully solved the problem. Judging by the data available in the media, the offensive of jihadists was stopped by only a few dozen Russian veterans. In addition, reliable government protection was provided and a couple of military coups were already suppressed. And the issue was also resolved with the creation of a new unit of tsarist special forces, re-trained by the former Russian military, equipped with Russian armaments and becoming a possible local force against jihadists.

    What's wrong with that, eh?
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 31 October 2018 00: 15
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      The issue is problematic or not should not be. So far, these old women in the comments are crying what is there and who didn’t do the right thing.
      Now the forces of all the major players are directed to Africa. Already enough years ago everyone was drawn there. China is no longer an industrial base with cheap labor. And you need to look for a new region that will produce extremely cheap goods.
      Someone is trying as Merkel to attract refugees in the hope of increasing the influx of cheap labor directly into the country, how well this comes out is not clear, because only problems with these refugees are heard.
      Africa is good for everyone! Any dirty production can be placed there, it is cut off from the world, with the exception of some of its corners. And you can create anything just by entering the leadership. The vast majority of countries do not have the serious power to confront civilized people.
      Every penny invested there now will have a return of thousands tomorrow. And this is not only earned, it is also saved. And as far as I see our work there according to the old principle of SAS struggle for hearts and minds. They help the local government, get settled there and so on.
      Despite any groaning and nagging, work should be strengthened in key countries. That is why "journalists" went there to interfere with the work of our special services, to trumpet it everywhere, to complicate it. Which is extremely beneficial to our Western colleagues. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
      Moreover, Africa has long been kept under special control. Where the pace of development is artificially slowing, where there is fierce control over food production and other things. Indeed, without it, a shot could happen at any moment. If, with the help of modern technologies, energy, medicine, and agriculture are improved, then any country can go all out there, at high fertility rates, the population can grow several times over in the shortest possible time, the number of conflicts can increase by orders of magnitude, and so on.
      That is, the game there is not very visible and has not yet grown into some noticeable stages, but it goes on and may eventually become such that the Middle East seems like a kindergarten. And the sooner you settle there and gain a foothold, the easier it will be further.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 31 October 2018 11: 24
        +1
        Quote: Red_Baron
        Now the forces of all major players are directed to Africa

        So the question of the article is not to do nothing. The question is how exactly do! Note that those countries that are already building plots in Africa are mainly not using military means. The purely military component is much smaller than the economic and political one. It is much more effective to buy local kings than to introduce a "limited contingent" far away. For this, and PMC "for the eyes" is enough. Consider also two more points:
        1) logistics. The CAR is surrounded on all sides by countries that have their own interests and long-standing contacts with the West. At any time, oxygen can shut off.
        2) to get involved in a religious war is to subscribe for inadequate people. They will arrange genocide there, and Russia will be to blame.
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 31 October 2018 12: 29
          +1
          Absolutely.
          But there are a few nuances.
          The military contingents will still be. The sooner the infrastructure and capabilities are ready, the better. Military contingents this does not mean to fight against the local, just most of them do not accept the arguments if you have no strength. Remember the beginning of negotiations on Syria, when they represented some candidates for the Western proteges, and the locals asked a reasonable question, and how many fighters he was sincerely surprised when it turned out that it was zero.
          To buy local kings, of course, but there is always one, and at some point the thought will be very distinct that the purchase will include the supply of weapons.
          1) That’s why I’m saying that the game has been going on for a long time and that we must take an active part
          And in this regard, the military contingent is even more important. Moreover, partially and local.
          2) in a religious war in no case

          I’m more about the fact that we must act and not be afraid, our colleagues in dangerous business from across the ocean have a lot of bases around the world and somehow this does not bother them. It should not strain us. The possibilities are very large and all tested many times. Each time it stops one thing - the reaction of society, look at the comments of often the same people in different topics. On the one hand, they are enraged by how the West acts and they propose to act in the same way. On the other hand, when we experience losses in people and technology, they scream violently, where we climbed the wrong way, and in general all the evil forces came up with it. This mass schizophrenia is based on the fact that we are not used to the fact that our troops are away from home. We need to accustom this, there are no other possibilities of influence on the world now. No matter what kind of diplomacy our people use, there will always be something that will overpower - big money or power, and we must be prepared for this.
  4. Conductor
    Conductor 30 October 2018 12: 42
    +2
    such a feeling. that they seemed to have dug shots from an RPG somewhere.
  5. Galleon
    Galleon 30 October 2018 13: 54
    +4
    A good and thoughtful article from Victor. Congratulations to the author and good luck! Keep it up! good
  6. Jerk
    Jerk 30 October 2018 15: 34
    +1
    Another thing is that commercial interests associated with the development of uranium and other minerals may be quite obvious continuation of the interests of the state. With all the ensuing consequences, such as support for the special services and the political patronage of the Kremlin.

    On the contrary. There can be no foreign policy in mind, only foreign trade can be foreign, and politics there, by definition, is only a support force, such as marketing. There shouldn’t be political interests outside the country, forget all these nonsense, the state’s purpose is only to uphold the interests of the STATE - and squabble on all these supposedly fraternal peoples, such as Georgians saved from destruction by Russia!
    In the end, the Americans act in much the same way. And they have something to learn in this matter ...

    That’s precisely what their policy does not go ahead of the economy ...
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 31 October 2018 00: 25
      +2
      Enchanting nonsense.
      Quote: Jerk
      There shouldn’t be political interests outside the country, forget all these nonsense, the state’s sense is only in upholding the interests of the STATE

      Talking about something without the slightest idea is certainly great, but what kind of horrors such reasoning does not give rise to.
      Not a single sufficiently developed country in the world is separated from the whole world. And can not be separated. Therefore, any normal country cannot but have political interests OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. This is the defense of the interests of the state.
      In the modern world, politics governs the economy. Moreover, especially for YOU like these ... constantly confirm this. For example, trade wars. Pure politics and defending the interests of the state. Sanctions, quotas for sale, the struggle for markets - all this is pure politics, outside the country and upholding the interests of the state.

      And that nonsense that you write with a smart look is nothing else.

      Quote: Jerk
      That’s precisely what their policy does not go ahead of the economy ...

      The joke is that politics forms it.
  7. Detnix
    Detnix 31 October 2018 14: 13
    -3
    Another thing is that the commercial interests associated with the development of uranium and other minerals can be quite an obvious continuation of the interests of the state.

    First, it was necessary to export weapons-grade plutonium to America, when it is now consumed in the world more than it is mined, and then climb into the Central African Republic to mine uranium.
    "Brilliant" policy, but forgive me ... and they are trying to whitewash it from the pen. PMCs and often the army are used for personal, and only in them, interests.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 31 October 2018 14: 48
      -1
      It is not true. You do not even have basic knowledge and understanding of these issues, but without even understanding what to write about, you are trying to defame someone, offend someone.
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 31 October 2018 14: 27
    0
    Well, to hell with us, this CAR? Russia is not equipped, and the guarantor is trying to play the world hegemon. Few Syria, Outskirts, borders in the south of the country?
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 31 October 2018 14: 45
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      Look in the dictionary what a hegemon is before writing nonsense.
      Russia will never be equipped, like any other country. As reality shows in any country, at any moment something can begin and hide old problems, and how smooth everything was on paper. Your goal is just to scum Russia.
      I’ll open a secret that you don’t see and don’t know, but are trying to teach the government, which is already ridiculous with your successes. Similar things all over the world are planned for decades to come. Do you understand? By dozens, that is, even if in the same Syria, the Central African Republic or somewhere else to settle down, establish contacts and cooperation, the results will be in many years. But what would they even have to do now.
      People like you, and this is Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the country, also said something about the fact that we do not need to do anything abroad. As a result, they threw the country back, destroyed everything that was done for decades, built up bit by bit.
      Your cries are nothing but a betrayal of the country.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 31 October 2018 14: 57
        +1
        Andrey! You do not make yourself a prosecutor. Russia and those that are now above are not the same thing. But you need to equip your country, and not fill the pockets of the oligarchs at the expense of sweat and blood of the people of Russia.
        And less mentoring, tone down, please. I express myself quite clearly and correctly.
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          1. NordUral
            NordUral 31 October 2018 16: 29
            +1
            Andrew!
            There are very rich people in the government, who are the children of the 90 years, who then successfully participated in the sections of loans for the country and other operations, but you transfer the charges to everyone.

            These people are arrogant thieves, almost everything. Your position is clear. I’m making it my own - I'm interested in the look of my country and nothing more. With the CARs, even in the West, with their pathological greed, hunters are not very interested in getting into it.
            And in order for our guys to die, even mercenaries from PMCs, for the interests of these guys about whom you wrote so well, this is useless for the country. Of course, this is their right to sell their blood, but it is advisable to do this for the country.
            And the last one. We do not need to turn the world, but to equip our country. Then they will be drawn to us again, as it was already in the best years of the USSR.
            1. Red_Baron
              Red_Baron 31 October 2018 20: 17
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              Quote: NordUral
              These people are arrogant thieves, almost everything.

              Eugene, well, here you yourself understand - there is no point in arguing because we will have more arguments at the rumor level without evidence from both sides. You can simply leave this out of the brackets. There are general neutral words on this matter, but again this is a lot to write, but I would like more on a different issue.
              Quote: NordUral
              With the CARs, even in the West, with their pathological greed, hunters are not very interested in getting into it.

              Let it not be the Central African Republic, but another African country, or rather several, but those that are more profitable, more convenient, are already working with other countries. And it is not for us to decide how much we need to deal with them.
              Quote: NordUral
              And the last one. We do not need to turn the world, but to equip our country. Then they will be drawn to us again, as it was already in the best years of the USSR.

              I would very much like it to be so. I understand your position and share it. But as always there are different "buts" and it seems to me quite important.
              You want to lock yourself in the country, but this is not possible in any way, just take it for granted. No country is developing anything now. All systems, research institutes are network-centric, that is, they rely on each other's designs, sometimes they come together even from different countries. And even more so products are produced jointly. Not a single country, even the most powerful such as the United States or China, does not release everything on its own. There is always a bunch of industries in which it relies on others. Etc. We have big lags in many areas, I can list for a long time how and why. And this is for two reasons - on the one hand, they have not cooperated with us in the field of technology for a long time. And we, instead of the correct distribution of efforts, gave everything to other countries. Nobody knows which way is right - there are many opinions and they all have some kind of flaws or flaws. The fact is that it has long been verified - grabbing everything makes no sense or opportunity. So for any reason we will buy something if we want to live and develop. For any, we need investments from abroad because their volume is orders of magnitude greater than domestic ones, without receiving them we will further increase the backlog in some areas. When buying something, we must distribute opportunities, so as not to depend on suppliers, and take not always the most profitable and cheapest, but from different sources, in order to maintain channels and have opportunities, this requires currency, because most of them not ready to abandon major world currencies. For this currency to sell something for it. I say this system is closed. Here it is necessary either to change everything practically or nothing will come of it. The largest countries in the world should abandon the dollar for the sake of something else.
              Quote: NordUral
              And the last one. We do not need to turn the world, but to equip our country. Then they will be drawn to us again, as it was already in the best years of the USSR.

              No, the fact of the matter is that no. I already wrote something, but not to you, here's the thing. That would be drawn to us, even just that there would be something like "we", we must be interesting to other countries. This should be political influence, and most likely political and power, so that they would turn to us for solving issues. That is why Syria is so important as well. In it we just show that we can solve international issues. This is in addition to the fact that we defend ourselves there. Look, the villains are constantly recruiting people for IS (banned in Russia). If you do not threaten it and destroy it there, it will be extremely widespread. Due to its attractiveness.
              This may be an economic impact - we can help with money and other benefits, but you yourself say that we should equip ourselves - we ourselves do not have enough, and although the level of our economy is not so small, it’s even more business, and our currency is not It appears some kind of internationally important. And the volume of our economy is not like that of the United States and does not occupy such a large piece of the market. So it disappears. We can also be interested in the idea.
              You are talking about the USSR - but it influenced the whole world and used all these moments of influence. We do not have this now and cannot use it. We voluntarily abandoned this influence and are now forced to rebuild it.
              See the paradox? YOU say that you would be drawn to the USSR, although it had a bunch of world levers, but we do not have it, and at the same time it was everywhere present. You suggest not to be active outside the limits, but to have all the same? This does not happen.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 2 November 2018 03: 59
                -1
                I'm sorry to interfere in your dialogue, but something became boring from applause ...
                Quote: Red_Baron
                And this is for two reasons - on the one hand have not been cooperating with us for a long time in the field of technology. And we, instead of the correct distribution of efforts, gave everything to other countries.

                Don't cooperate with us in the field of technology? Sorry, but what about "Brahmos"? And what is the principle of space research? They do not want to cooperate with thieves. They do not want to because the thief who robbed his neighbors does not disdain anything in the next house. Are you suggesting that the owners give the thief the keys to the apartment where the money is? Do you think that there are few production geniuses in the country? Or suddenly, overnight, it was the bankers who turned into geniuses? Nabiullina - the best head of the Central Bank, works hard, I don't know what - hands or feet, for a pittance? Why, then, our "mediocre" specialists are bought up in all countries of the world, and the "best in the world" cannot show anything in our homeland, because Russia is not their homeland. They don't shit like that at home ...
                Quote: Red_Baron
                Nobody knows which way is right - there are many opinions and they all have some kind of flaws or flaws.

                The correct path is described in the principles of building a socialist society. We have no shortcomings and flaws, there, in order to discredit, they can only distort these principles and replace specialists in the economy with party mediocrity. Only, no matter how much you command, the ears in the field will not line up at the command "at attention" ...
                Quote: Red_Baron
                For any, we need investments from abroad because their volume is orders of magnitude greater than domestic ones

                We do not need investments from abroad. You have to deal with your income. In a country of parasitic power, it is difficult to look for sponsors for the common good ... But Russian power has been usurped by thieves and money-grubbers who have ceased to be responsible for their dirty deeds.
                PS Update your knowledge in the field of free cheeses in a mousetrap ...
                1. Red_Baron
                  Red_Baron 2 November 2018 12: 40
                  -1
                  Well, why this nonsense? I understand that you could not wait to express yourself and pour shit-tubs on everyone who was lucky enough to get into your tongue.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Nabiullina - the best head of the Central Bank, working hard, I do not know what - arms or legs, for a pittance?

                  Yes, yes, legs and something else, tell us about the mothers of those and others, tell me what you will do with him or with their children. Who taught you culture? Did you have parents, did they teach you how to talk, nurture people? Discussing all of them, what are you applying for? Well, ok, seeing, I understand that something is wrong with the person, what else did you want to show?
                  All that you wrote is nonsense. It’s just that you’ve driven some idea into your head and now you see the whole world only in its prism, the brain stops working, the realities also disappear, there is only IT - the main idea in the brain. Now I understand why there was no place for culture in you and maybe something else. I’m starting a terrible thing. On the one hand, I grab my head from the abundance of nonsense and must answer on the other hand, I do not want to touch on what you are spewing, you even contradict yourself in your own words.

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Do not cooperate with us in the field of technology? Sorry ...

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  They do not want to cooperate with thieves.

                  In one sentence, you want to refute me, and you are doing it ridiculously, without understanding what you are talking about. Because they could not even read what I wrote earlier and understand. And then, after a couple of lines, the opposite opinion is that they still do not want to cooperate. : D: D: D
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Do you think that there are few geniuses of production in the country?

                  I wrote about research and technology, you argue with me and ask about production. this is an extravaganza. Does it make a difference to you research, technology and production? I said from the very beginning that everything written is nonsense.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Nabiullina - the best head of the Central Bank

                  She was recognized in the West, not here. Is the West so authoritative for you that their opinion means the ultimate truth? Well, congratulations, what else can I say.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Why then are our "mediocre" specialists outbid in all countries of the world?

                  Already dragged in some of our "Specialists" and even called them mediocre. insanity grew stronger.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  and the "best in the world" cannot show anything in our homeland

                  Well, who is the best in the world for you, we already understood, since for you the West is the greatest authority.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  The correct path is described in the principles of building a socialist society.

                  Another nonsense - I am writing about the economic system and its influence, you are talking about the principles of building a society. This is normal ...
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  We do not need investments from abroad.

                  You don’t need it, because you don’t understand anything, you even confuse what others wrote about and what you write about yourself. Naturally, any investments are needed, I already wrote why and why, but you could not read it, but you yourself do not understand, because of narrow-mindedness. Our country needs growth, it is necessary to succeed and this and that to do everything a lot and urgently, because the world does not wait when we will deal with our problems, but constantly throw new ones. And investments are needed in order to be able to do something now. Well, at least some miserable find out before you write. In addition to the need to develop, Russia also has social obligations that also need to be fulfilled and money is also needed for this, your comrades used to steal this money from pensioners, they filled all holes with their pensions, so it seemed to you that investments were not needed.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You have to deal with your income.

                  But how does one interfere with the other? What do you write this? I, for the gifted, write again - for all the money and effort is not enough, that you always have to buy. It was at all times and at all.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  And the Russian government is usurped by thieves and money-grubbers who have ceased to be responsible for their dirty deeds.

                  Well, how did you survive, I wonder if everything was stolen and acquired from you? I imagine a picture - a certain ROSS42 sits and philosophizes ... in tattered shorts and a T-shirt I hope to sit on the floor and write not through a computer but through a typewriter? And then somehow your words do not fit with reality.
                  By the way, the thief screams the loudest; who knows ...
                2. Red_Baron
                  Red_Baron 2 November 2018 13: 23
                  -1
                  Immediately I will write a little more details about some things. I was specially restrained that you would not be offended or something like that, but I kind of moralize a little bit myself ... But somewhere I had to say the facts. If you didn’t judge hard somewhere, there was no such purpose.
                  Here's the thing. You have not written a single word of specificity. Everything is at the level of itself, insults of someone and references to something, probably to Navalny or similar people. I don’t need to write such a thing, I can see this nonsense myself if I lose my mind and I just want to scold someone, feeling that I am not such a loser, but the government and life in general. All because of them. For this I am in a long debate about who the thief is and who did what I do not enter, only in fact.
                  Unfortunately, your knowledge on many issues is completely inconsistent, I already wrote that you drove some idea into your head and that’s all, then you decided not to work with your head. You never engaged in any private business, well, at least how big, otherwise you would understand what it was about and you would NEVER write what you write. And everything else, and even the lack of theory is a terrible thing. When you take out a loan for business development, when you understand what you are doing, what responsibility you have for how many people, and when you are not provided with everything for work, and when you are the basis for this, you start looking at things in a completely different way. And you cease to sleep normally. For that, the head falls into place.
                  Regarding Bramos and other things. These are again common words. I tell you about the decades when we fell out of the general world system. When we spent extra money to develop something ourselves, instead of relying on ready-made developments. Bramos ... and before that? By the way, remember how the Indians threw us with the development of PAK FA. But for some reason, you don’t have any critics for them - how can it be - thieves, deceivers, money-grubbers. And everything is only directed at us. This is somewhat ... Russophobia. Sometimes it seems to a person that he is some kind of patriot, because he screams about things inside his country, and if you look closely at what he screams, it turns out that everything is bad, all bad and a priori villains. This is not patriotism at all.
                  There was such a small song.

                  We know there are more families
                  where our khayut and scolding
                  and they look with emotion at foreign stickers,
                  and they eat Russian fat.

                  Sound familiar?
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 2 November 2018 13: 36
                    -3
                    I’m not too lazy to answer you, I didn’t even read your review. You just give me a minus and calm your nervous system - Putin's truth-maker.
                    1. Red_Baron
                      Red_Baron 2 November 2018 14: 34
                      0
                      I have not put you a single minus. He did not say a single word about Putin. He did not justify or praise anyone. In general, I did not speak about personalities, but in completely general terms about what is happening. Well, I described a little why you think so and where your negative comes from. But here you began to come up with something about me. I don’t understand this.
                      From the very beginning I wrote that you thought up the world in which you live, therefore I am not surprised that instead of reading what I write, thinking, comparing and discussing, you come up with something for me. Good luck, try to turn less negative against people.
  9. Rust
    Rust 3 November 2018 22: 31
    +1
    That's honestly, according to tulumbas to the Central African Republic. Straight burns! We have no business at home?
  10. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 4 November 2018 14: 20
    0
    In my opinion, it is necessary to coordinate our actions with the CARs with the Egyptians, maybe it will turn out to be joint, especially since they are inviting Libya, otherwise why do we need Egypt, not for one tourism?
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 4 November 2018 17: 51
      0
      Well, Egypt is not our colony. They have quite friendly relations, but nothing more. There, General As-Sisi is at the head, and not an errand boy. And although we mean a lot to them on many issues, they are not some kind of fraternal or too close country. If they should act under our interests, then what will they have from that?