SM-3 Block IIA US missile defense tested. Romania and Poland are waiting for "cover from Iran"

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The information that in the USA passed the tests of an interceptor missile was confirmed. The US media reported on the successful testing of weapons, which is designed to intercept medium-range missiles. This is the second test that is declared successful in the USA. This is an anti-missile SM-3 Block IIA, the development of which was carried out in cooperation with the United States and Japan.

SM-3 Block IIA US missile defense tested. Romania and Poland are waiting for "cover from Iran"




It is reported that this version of the anti-missile is equipped with high-sensitivity sensor equipment, an effective system of "rejection" of false targets. SM-3 Block IIA has an increased range in comparison with previous versions. Also increased the speed of flight. It is up to 4,5 km / s. At the same time, the ultimate target destruction distance is 2,7 thousand km.

The anti-missile missile system was produced from the side of the US Navy destroyer “John Finn”. The target was a rocket, which was launched from the west coast of the Hawaiian Islands.

In fact, the SM-3 Block IIA is the same anti-missile missile that will eventually become the basis of American anti-missile defense facilities in Eastern Europe (in Romania and Poland). In other words, the Americans do not hide that in addition to the sea-based SM-3 Block IIA has a land option.

In fact, this is already a direct violation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. And if we take into account that the development of this rocket began in the 2006 year, and even in the cooperation of American and Japanese experts, we can say with confidence that Trump’s statements about leaving the DDSMD in fact only reinforce his long-term violations. And Japan has been implicated in these violations of the treaty by the United States.

It is worth recalling that a few years ago the United States authorities also said that the United States had actually withdrawn from the treaty. After all, the armament, called “anti-missile”, is essentially the same rocket that can not only intercept other missiles, but also be a means to attack, for example, the enemy’s territory.

An important point: if the deployment of the US missile defense system in the Romanian Deveselu can still be (from the USA) explained by “cover from Iran”, since from Deveselu to the northwestern city of Tabriz (Iran) is about 2 thousand km, then with an explanation of the deployment of the US missile defense in Polish Redzikovo everything is much more complicated from the point of view of elementary logic. The fact is that the distance from this Polish town to the same Tabriz is almost 2,9 thousand km. This exceeds the range of the SM-3 Block IIA. The USA declares that they will intercept "Iranian missiles" in flight. In flight over Iran will not work, based on the performance of the American anti-missile. Then which country: Azerbaijan, Armenia, Russia or Belarus? .. Or will they wait for Iranian missiles to reach NATO airspace? But American intelligence itself had previously distributed a release through the media, in which it was stated that Iran does not have missiles of such a range.
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  1. +3
    28 October 2018 19: 19
    Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 19: 26
      Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?

      And who will tell us the truth?
      At the same time, the maximum range of target destruction is 2,7 thousand km.

      And the S-500s predict an "unprecedented, unparalleled in the world" interception height of 185 km and a range of 600 km. Fun, what
      1. +15
        28 October 2018 19: 30
        The Amerzian system has an interception range of up to 2.7 thousand km. Even as it is hard to believe, especially since they are talking about "kinetic interception" ..
        1. +3
          28 October 2018 19: 36
          Quote: 210ox
          Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?


          Avanhard



          1. +15
            28 October 2018 20: 27
            In the early 80s, 900 RSD-10 "Pioneer" warheads, 15 megatons each, were aimed at Europe, capable of completely wiping out Europeans. Only fear, and not modern air defense systems, will force NATO to maintain RSDM or conclude an updated treaty.
          2. +12
            28 October 2018 22: 29
            And you google! And find at least one source other than this article where the SM-3 Block IIA would have a range of 2700 km! All sources report a range of 370 km to 500 and an interception height of 185 km. And 2700 km is, as I understand it, the range of the missile that can be intercepted dermally by this anti-missile, since it is an interceptor of the Russian Infantry Missile Defense, and the ICBM has a high speed, up to 7 km, per second. and against her this missile defense is powerless!
            I read a bunch of whiners' comments here - all the way @ sralshikov, and I wonder if they all have a salary in Langley or they don’t understand with their meager mind that a rocket of this size simply cannot physically fly 2700 km on the types of fuel that exist today!
            1. -2
              29 October 2018 10: 15
              Alyosha banned you in google or what? Even Wikipedia is already in the know!

        2. +1
          28 October 2018 19: 39
          Do you know what is written on the fence? Come along. And there it is not. Only the fence.
          You can not believe everything written.
          From Iran, they can cover these missiles, but from Sevastopol they will cover.
        3. 0
          29 October 2018 09: 47
          Quote: 210ox
          The Amerz system has up to 2.7 thousand km of interception range.

          After 50 km in height, there can be any range, because this is space, at least 40000 km, the main thing is that the rocket can be controlled at such a distance.
      2. +7
        28 October 2018 19: 36
        At such a range, this is not an interception! This shooting is essentially a static target! Flying along a previously known trajectory and not maneuvering. It's just a rocket read for it.
        1. 0
          28 October 2018 21: 49
          They do not disclose the details.
      3. +1
        28 October 2018 19: 39
        Quote: Wiruz
        And the S-500s predict an "unprecedented, unparalleled in the world" interception height of 185 km and a range of 600 km. Fun, what

        10 years ago (!) The American missile cruiser Lake Erie, located in the Pacific Ocean, launched the SM-3 ballistic missile. After 3 minutes, the rocket reached a height of more than 200 km fellow and hit the American spy satellite.
        https://rg.ru/sujet/3258/
        1. 0
          28 October 2018 20: 29
          Thank you, I am in the know. He himself recently recalled this on the forum
        2. +1
          29 October 2018 03: 11
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Quote: Wiruz
          And the S-500s predict an "unprecedented, unparalleled in the world" interception height of 185 km and a range of 600 km. Fun, what

          10 years ago (!) The American missile cruiser Lake Erie, located in the Pacific Ocean, launched the SM-3 ballistic missile. After 3 minutes, the rocket reached a height of more than 200 km fellow and hit the American spy satellite.
          https://rg.ru/sujet/3258/

          so the Chinese, too, has achieved and brought down something there, and sho?
        3. +3
          29 October 2018 09: 36
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Pacific Ocean launched the SM-3 ballistic missile.

          Exactly ballistic? Or just to write?
        4. +1
          29 October 2018 10: 15
          The satellite is a static target flying along a strictly calibrated path. He does not use electronic warfare, does not surround himself with false targets and does not maneuver. To get into it you need good mathematics and the deadest homing head for correction at the last stage.
      4. +2
        28 October 2018 23: 35
        The systems of the family C are not about air defense. PRO are avant-garde nudol systems, baby
      5. 0
        29 October 2018 02: 46
        This is not about the interception range, but that the missile can intercept missiles with a range of 2700 km.
    2. 0
      28 October 2018 19: 28
      I think not, but what will the experts say ...
    3. +7
      28 October 2018 19: 31
      Quote: 210ox
      Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?

      Yes, as many gizmos changing the landscape of the terrain into a lunar landscape! And what and whose location was irrelevant! negative
    4. +12
      28 October 2018 19: 39
      What - this is not clear. The muddy concept of the kinetic block rocket itself, the tests are even more muddy. For example, what kind of missile did they intercept there, since they have no medium-range missiles? But for example, what are the test conditions? If the target course is known in advance ... Then aiming the missile at a given point is clearly not difficult. So its effectiveness, as well as these tests, is a big question ...
      this version of the missile is equipped with high-sensitivity sensor equipment, an effective system of "rejecting" false targets
      Were there any false goals? And what did you experience there then?
    5. +3
      28 October 2018 20: 00
      Quote: 210ox
      Do we have something to answer?

      Put five Poseidons on the ground along the East Coast of the United States, and the same number along the West. How to hint about this to the "partners" so that they re-read the INF Treaty, or prepare SM-3 Block IIA for "interception"
      1. +1
        28 October 2018 20: 56
        Quote: Tersky
        Put five Poseidons on the ground

        Poseidons exist only in the form of experimental prototypes that are still infinitely far from the finished product. This is the opinion of experts and American intelligence.
        PS
        But of course, I have to grab the cons for them (((
        1. +10
          28 October 2018 21: 11
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          This is the opinion of experts and American intelligence.

          In light of recent events, as such - the Skripals case, Russian hacker attacks on the servers of the State Department, interference in the US presidential elections, etc. etc. the opinions of espers and American scouts are not worth a damn. If "Poseidon" was a fake, the hornet's nest behind the puddle would not hum as if dichlorvos had been sprayed into it. What we have on the minuses - if your salary depends on the number of stuffing and minuses (trolling tends to grow overgrown with minuses), then you will get rich very quickly. Yes
        2. 0
          29 October 2018 07: 44
          Why cons, suffice it to say that you are of course in the know. Judging by your confidence laughing
      2. -3
        28 October 2018 21: 50
        Put and ....?
        1. +5
          28 October 2018 22: 00
          Quote: ArikKhab
          0
          Put and ....?

          Do not accidentally remember me what Putin said there in Valdai about the increased danger of a nuclear war, and discussed the existence of the right to a preemptive strike? Not.. No. ? It's a pity.... sad , and I was hoping so .... request
          1. -2
            28 October 2018 22: 34
            How does a preemptive strike differ from a first attack? We do not want nuclear war, but will we strike first? Such demagoguery is a little bit ... And who decides what and when to "prevent"?
            1. +5
              28 October 2018 22: 40
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Т
              And how is a preemptive strike different from an attack first?

              Preventive strike is seen by international law as a response to aggression that has already become inevitable. True, one must prove that aggression was inevitable. But hardly anyone after a nuclear war will be interested in evidence. The one who will survive will win, but few will survive (if they survive). Available?
              Quote: ArikKhab
              We don’t want a nuclear war,

              And where did you see that we dream of her?
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Such demagogy is a little bit.

              Demagoguery is just from the side of the "partners", and in the light of Russia's recent successes in armament, it is immeasurable.
              Quote: ArikKhab
              And who decides what and when to "prevent"?

              See paragraph 1 hi If they don’t understand there, then I’ll explain it more simply — if the Russian leadership receives information about the inevitability of a massive nuclear strike against Russia in the next few hours, it has the right (and even is obliged) to launch a preventive nuclear strike, and this will not be the first use of nuclear weapons. Yes
    6. -5
      28 October 2018 20: 36
      The answer to "Donald Cook" was worked out in 2014. Why did he quickly rush to the Bosphorus?
      1. -4
        28 October 2018 20: 53
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        The answer to "Donald Cook" was worked out in 2014.

        In fact, the answer was worked out by the Russian people who believed in the almighty khibiny. hi
        1. +3
          28 October 2018 21: 10
          Except for you of course.
        2. dSK
          +1
          28 October 2018 21: 11
          After all, weapons called "Missile defense", in essence, is the same missile, which can not only intercept other missiles, but also be a means to attack, for example, enemy territory.
          Japan actively participates in this "project" and their interest is Pyongyang, Beijing and Vladivostok.
          1. -1
            28 October 2018 21: 52
            So any air-to-air missile can be classified as a means of attack with reservations.
        3. +4
          29 October 2018 03: 42
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          Actually

          laughing Well, tell us how everything really is ... laughing
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          the answer was worked out on the Russian population, believed in almighty khibiny.

          So you are a connoisseur of American "experts", well, I am reporting that the news about the dismissal of part of Donald Cook's team was spread .... CNN, and only after that was picked up by domestic journalists. However, on the CNN website, and indeed in the Western media, this story can no longer be found - freedom of speech as it is.
          It's not about the "Khibiny", it could be another complex, it's about the morale of the American ship's crew, the story was about that.
          Well "ilitka" praise your "critical" thinking hi.
          1. -2
            30 October 2018 19: 31
            Quote: Uryukc
            CNN, and only after that it was picked up by domestic journalists. However, on the CNN website, and indeed Western media, this story can no longer be found

            Wow, how convenient!
    7. 0
      28 October 2018 21: 08
      Lurkee information about the Moscow missile defense.
    8. 0
      29 October 2018 10: 10
      I think. that very soon we will see a new modification of the Iskander.
  2. +9
    28 October 2018 19: 30
    What prevents us from deploying Iskanders in Kaliningrad with nuclear heads to shield the country from Iranian missiles? We must also worry about our safety.
    1. +5
      28 October 2018 19: 33
      Quote: APASUS
      What prevents us from deploying Iskanders in Kaliningrad with nuclear heads to shield the country from Iranian missiles? We must also worry about our safety.


      We don’t have to lie
      So to say - from the American



    2. +5
      28 October 2018 19: 42
      Iskander, Caliber and S-400 very well cover Kaliningrad from DPRK missiles.
  3. +11
    28 October 2018 19: 41
    The Yankees are poured about the defeat range of 2700, and even kinetically, this is a test of the strike complex am
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 20: 02
      The fact is that the defeat is made by a kinetic drummer. It weighs just a few pounds. The overall dimensions of the guidance-control system have stung to a minimum. Therefore, they were able to achieve such high performance on a relatively small rocket.
      1. 0
        28 October 2018 21: 16
        Yesterday: relevant against the RGCHIN flying along a ballistic trajectory, but not against maneuvering and flying along a quasi trajectory warheads.
        1. -1
          28 October 2018 22: 36
          Old article, but it still seems to me relevant
          http://extremal-mechanics.org/archives/15162#more-15162
  4. +4
    28 October 2018 19: 46
    A new round of arms racing. America is now going downhill, and astronomical money is being thrown into weapons and the military-industrial complex, and it is severely punishing those who buy Russian weapons.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 22: 25
      America downhill? Really? We would have such a slope ...
      1. 0
        29 October 2018 13: 30
        Better not. Their pseudo-hegemon rests on only one thing - the dollar. And America is actively introducing sanctions against those who use their currency for payments, and sell their weapons to third countries.
        If the dollar system collapses, America Khan, it will be torn into flaps right there. And they are afraid of it.
  5. +3
    28 October 2018 19: 49
    Why such problems with missile defense? Do the Americans know how much and what will fly to them across the ocean? And what does Europe have to do with it? Well, all the same, as it is stupid ... Theirs "disarming strike" from Europe start - at the same moment "from all trunks" and to all targets. And it will be absolutely all the same - it will not matter whether there are missile defense missiles in Europe or not ...
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    2. -1
      28 October 2018 22: 24
      Their disarming strike seems to be starting from a nuclear submarine ... In addition to Axes, they have ground-to-ground class now nothing in service
      1. -1
        28 October 2018 22: 38
        Besides block nothing to say?
      2. +2
        28 October 2018 22: 47
        Minutemen from the United States, and Trident with SSBNs.
  6. +4
    28 October 2018 19: 52
    Be that as it may, an anti-missile arms race (and means of breaking through missile defense systems) cannot be avoided. The eternal "duel of shell and armor". Objective regularity in the history of military technology. Trying to change her is silly naivety. You just need to win this race - as the same shell won against the same armor.
    In the development of the missile defense system itself, Russia and the United States now adhere to different concepts.
    Russia - traditional - YBB defeat. The United States - a relatively new one - destroying BRs at AUT - even before the separation of the breeding stage. Really show - which of the concepts is better? - can only a real exchange of nuclear missile systems, so you can argue on this topic endlessly.
    And where are they going to hit missiles at the OUT? With modern rockets, it is less than 2 minutes.
    And during combat launches across the United States, to state interceptors and guidance radars located in the territory of the former Poland, it will be extremely difficult to work from incandescent craters filled with vitreous mass.
    Yes, and all modern US interceptors are designed specifically for the destruction of warheads, and not missiles at the ATF, I don’t remember anything from them that would be sharpened specifically against missiles at the AUT.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 22: 22
      Do Americans have the opportunity to reach missile defense ballistic missiles of the Russian Federation when launching from Siberia?
      1. 0
        29 October 2018 08: 17
        They are sharpened rather on those that are located in Europe, well, according to the logic of things, and even then it will be necessary to shoot at the dog, and this is still ideal.
  7. +6
    28 October 2018 20: 12
    Japan certainly didn’t break anything. For she did not sign. INF Treaty - USSR (assignee of the Russian Federation) and the USA. Everyone else can do what they want. With no restrictions.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 21: 10
      So the Chinese do what they want
      1. 0
        28 October 2018 22: 28
        Quote: ArikKhab
        So the Chinese do what they want

        From the history of this issue. In November 2014, Putin announced a "pivot east" and signed gas agreements with China in Beijing. Joy and slogans in the press that China is our new friend, that Europe doesn't care, etc.
        And after in December 2014, China conducted large-scale exercises near the border with Russia of the second artillery corps; during the exercises, the DF-21A brigade brigade worked out a scenario of prolonged covert maneuvering in difficult terrain in extreme cold weather. Hundreds of cars and thousands of troops participated.
        1. 0
          29 October 2018 04: 18
          Where does the confidence that this exercise works out the attack scenario for the Russian Federation come from?
          The DF-21A has a range of 2700 km, that is, this tool is effective only against neighboring states such as Japan or Taiwan, but not the Russian Federation, since the missile will not reach the most economically developed and populated western part of Russia, especially from the north-east of China.
          on the eve of the new year 2015, it conducted large-scale exercises, during which, obviously, scenarios of long-range covert maneuvering in difficult terrain were worked out Northeast china during the threatened period in the conditions of extreme winter cold.

          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1115125.html

          Launch missiles along the border with China n. points and bases on the territory of the Russian Federation will not work because of the dead zone of the complex! And it’s just idiocy to bring the strategic complex to the border of the attacked state, because it is much easier to detect and hit it.
          Why do you breed China phobia ??
  8. +6
    28 October 2018 20: 34
    In fact, this is already a direct violation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles.

    What a shame to the author .... Why is it that an anti-aircraft missile fell into the category of ballistic missile defense? The author heard a ringing, but the sources are confused. The Russian Federation has repeatedly made claims on the topic of US missile defense in violation of the INF Treaty, but not with respect to missiles, but with a target missile, which was precisely a missile defense system. It is not difficult to guess that for missile defense tests you need at least a ballistic missile defense, but without a combat unit, but the treaty makes no exceptions, so the claims are fair. For some reason, ours are not particularly persistent in their claims and everything is limited to ... nothing.
    Against this background, the situation with the domestic missile defense looks comical, painting in colors how the next super-missile of the next S100500 complex is being tested, bashfully reporting the defeat of a CONDITIONAL target. The patriots do not pay attention to this, considering a priori that the real goal has been hit. But the fact is that we do not have an MRBM target missile, therefore they are launched on a conditional target, i.e. fall "with a finger in the sky." But the patriots remember all the missiles of the foe and regularly repeat that they say the shooting was fired at a rocket flying along a known trajectory (as if in real life it would not be so, for this the early warning missile system is intended to record launches and calculate the trajectory by transmitting data to the missile defense system), yes and in general "there was a beacon" ...
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 20: 47
      Those. for you, the conditional development of the use of nuclear weapons, which has been practiced with us for a long time in connection with the normal development of calculation programs - is it also profanity?
      Nu-nu ... As for me - profanity is precisely shooting at a decoy target, without specifying the conditions, but definitely without false targets, after which you get hysterical - "urrryayayaya !!! Hit! And all because the highly intelligent system of rejection of false goals! In what! And there were no goals, because oh-very highly intellectual - she did not let them take off. "
      Somewhere I already heard it ... Toli about a railgun, roofing felts about a catapult lactric, roofing felts about a rascal Zhorka Ford, which must be completely rebuilt for adoption ... Another half and a half lard, I suppose
      Not sure why this is happening? Maybe because it would be better virtually - but they’ve counted, than really - they threw show-offs?
      This is a typical PR event, as was the case with Zamvolty. All real, but no use
      1. -1
        28 October 2018 21: 02
        Quote: Jerk
        All real, but no use

        What just can not imagine an excuse.
        You tell this to biathletes that there is no point in firing at targets in training, just imagine the target and shoot, the eye will not deceive. And then the competition will confirm the correctness of this thesis.
        1. -2
          28 October 2018 21: 14
          What just can not imagine an excuse.

          So you didn’t come up with it ... But for something that wasn’t invented, let Rogers tell you, I’m always "Chukchi is not a writer."
          https://alex-leshy.livejournal.com/1275988.html
          And about biathletes - I congratulate you, you squished into a puddle with a bang - do you even know that now in bullet shooting they often train not with cartridges? Laser shooting range, and so prepare the compilation
          1. 0
            28 October 2018 21: 50
            Quote: Jerk
            https://alex-leshy.livejournal.com/1275988.html

            Are you seriously suggesting that someone's thoughts in a live journal are proof of something? Can you also refer to the Express newspaper?
            Quote: Jerk
            I congratulate you, you squished in a puddle with a bang

            Yes, there is nothing to congratulate, you simply showed your misunderstanding of the analogy, or you pretended to try to justify yourself.
            Quote: Jerk
            Do you even know that in bullet shooting nowadays they often train not with cartridges?

            It's not about ammo, but about targets. Tell how biathletes without targets train.
            1. -2
              28 October 2018 23: 21
              There is exactly the same target, virtual. A bullet at 50 meters in a straight line, like a laser - does not fly ... Moreover, it is not at 50 meters laughing
              So much for the misunderstanding of analogies.
              "Someone's magazine" is Zapolskis's magazine, google who Zapolskis is. The article - and at all - by Alexander Rogers, who is he, in the course?
              M-dya, and whom should you bring? US Secretary of Defense, on a leash?
    2. -4
      28 October 2018 22: 53
      Where are they shooting? You look comical with such a miserable opus. For what conditional purpose. What are you talking about and bashfully silent. At least read about the C300 tests?
      You are not a patriot, read the math part and watch as much as possible at least the same youtube. Why so many wretched ones that like yours I don’t know how it’s not even rude to call it an opus ...........
  9. 0
    28 October 2018 21: 08
    This is a very disturbing sign. It can also be used as a ballistic missile with extremely short flying time, the energy of this missile is just wild. Instead of a kinetic interceptor, it can carry a low-power warhead of a couple of kilotons.
    It is also capable of combating ICBMs as a missile defense against TTX, which creates many problems.
  10. +2
    28 October 2018 21: 08
    "In fact, the creation of a missile is already a direct violation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles" ??
    Doesn't the treaty apply to surface-to-surface missiles? Are long-range surface-to-air / anti-aircraft missiles covered by the treaty?
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 21: 53
      Quote: ArikKhab
      Are long-range surface-to-air / anti-aircraft missiles covered by the treaty?

      The author is, to put it mildly, incompetent in the matter; his task is not to bring information, but to brand it. And all propagandists with knowledge are tight.
    2. 0
      28 October 2018 23: 57
      The United States is already withdrawing from this treaty, so you can forget about it and prepare for the appearance of new Pershing along the perimeter of the borders of the Russian Federation. We can say that they played out with their cartoons.
    3. 0
      29 October 2018 08: 27
      The contract includes a target rocket.
      1. -1
        29 October 2018 10: 20
        does not fall
  11. +2
    28 October 2018 21: 15
    SM-3 Block IIA


    it’s so tinsel. For all of their modifications 300 pieces can’t be typed. The main thing is that the INF Treaty allows the Americans to load winged tomahawks of which the United States has thousands in the ground-based missile defense systems around Russia.
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 22: 19
      How many missile defense installations are "around Russia"? 2 to 24 launchers - 1 in Romania and 1 in Poland ... I don't understand one thing - how to fuck with the alteration of launchers and weaken the missile defense, isn't it easier to send one Arleigh Burke (one at a time) with a hundred Axes on each to the Romanian and Polish ports and shoot with full ammunition? You can also send 2 ...
      PS Americans do not blame the Russian Federation for the possibility of altering the S-300/400 launcher for launching the Caliber, although technically it is (probably) possible and on the border with NATO the Russian Federation has much more such launchers
  12. -1
    28 October 2018 21: 46
    Iran, North Korea, China - these are the real opponents of the United States. Russia in general is already on the sidelines of history. He only knows that hysteria and screaming, that they want to conquer her. Bolton put the leadership of the Russian Federation before the fact that the United States withdrew from the treaty and that’s the point.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 22: 03
      The Americans say that Bolton has brought offers - to expand the agreement to other countries that possess nuclear weapons. And then 10 countries own nuclear weapons and only 2 of them comply with some rules ...
      1. 0
        28 October 2018 22: 11
        But it will not work to expand the contract: China will send this proposal further. So begins a new arms race. All with a new wonderful world!
        1. 0
          28 October 2018 22: 31
          Quote: Russkiy
          China will send this offer away.

          Don't go to a fortune-teller, the Americans have no "methods against Kostya Saprykin."
  13. -3
    28 October 2018 22: 02
    Quote: Puncher
    In fact, this is already a direct violation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles.

    What a shame to the author .... Why is it that an anti-aircraft missile fell into the category of ballistic missile defense? The author heard a jingle, but the sources get confused ...

    Good evening hi
    First of all, it is not the BRRS - SAM that is winged and this is obvious.
    2. The Treaty applies to cruise missiles as well. But whether it is anti-aircraft or not is not spelled out and this is logical - people have already written 100 times above: install YABCH on this "SAM", replace the GOS and under the guise of missile defense you have quite a strike complex.
    Best regards
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 22: 11
      SAM = cruise missile? Then Shilka = howitzer, because it can be used for ground targets ....
      1. +1
        28 October 2018 22: 34
        Quote: ArikKhab
        SAM = cruise missile? Then Shilka = howitzer, because it can be used for ground targets ....

        They are divided into cruise and ballistic missiles according to their trajectory of movement, and not according to the targets they hit. hi
        Shilka is a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. Howitzer "canopy" hits Yes
    2. +2
      28 October 2018 22: 34
      Quote: Seaman
      SAM is winged and it’s obvious

      Winged because there are aerodynamic surfaces on it? According to your logic, the Excalibur shell is also a cruise missile, because there are wings, and does the bottom charge give reactive thrust in flight?
      1. 0
        28 October 2018 22: 51
        "He went to Odessa, and went to Kherson ..." laughing Guys, we seem to be talking about missiles and treaties restricting them, and you reduce everything to art. And here is an active rocket ?! Or I missed something and the Americans SM-3 from the gun fire request
      2. +1
        28 October 2018 23: 12
        I read the tyrnet, indeed, Comrade Punch, your truth: only ground-to-ground missiles are divided (into BR and CD). hi Truth is born in a dispute! I'll know.
        But then I have such a question: structurally, what would prevent a shock system from such an extremely long-range missile system with minimal internal alterations? Does the treaty really not apply to such a missile ???
        1. 0
          29 October 2018 03: 51
          Quote: Seaman
          with minimal internal alterations to make a shock system?

          Scanty mass of warheads and guidance system. For example, the long-range missile defense system RIM-174 SM-6 flies 250+ km, but a warhead weighing 64 kg. What harm can such a "war block" do? Also, on modern missiles, they put an active radar seeker, which is designed to search for air targets, it is not capable of identifying ground targets.
  14. +5
    28 October 2018 22: 23
    SM-3 Block IIA has an increased range compared to previous modifications. Also increased flight speed. It is up to 4,5 km / s. At the same time, the maximum range of target destruction is 2,7 thousand km.

    Specialized anti-aircraft missiles, against satellites and ballistic missiles. For the missile defense system. It makes no sense to compare it with universal anti-aircraft systems, functionally very different.
    Efficiency is not proven, but not refuted, let us leave it to the conscience of the manufacturer.
    Do we have something like that? The work is underway, not the same, but functionally with similar tasks .... when they are put on combat duty, they will say for sure.
  15. +1
    28 October 2018 23: 32
    Is she a semi-ballistic chtoli? Where does this range come from? The usual missile fuel is not enough to fly so much
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 23: 59
      just the journalist was raped again
    2. 0
      29 October 2018 07: 30
      Quote: Valdemar
      Is she a semi-ballistic chtoli? Where does this range come from? The usual missile fuel is not enough to fly so much

      It escaped from the atmosphere, the attraction decreased significantly, at the final stage the pre-acceleration unit will turn on, it will taxi if necessary.
      Rocket class, if consistent with the declared performance characteristics. Narrowly specialized.
      1. 0
        29 October 2018 11: 36
        in other words, it flies by inertia in a low orbit, then falls, at the final stage it briefly turns on the engine. Otherwise, she just can’t fly so far. Russian missiles seem to have similar properties and appeared much earlier than American ones.
        1. 0
          29 October 2018 11: 53
          The principles are similar. The combat equipment is different.
          However, kinetic kick is a cool system. The level of automation is incredible!
          Only, if the target has wagged, this will be the same, then the cone of deflection of the interceptor missile is small. Striped are not in vain pushing their interceptors closer to the enemy, this is very justified.
          1. 0
            29 October 2018 14: 30
            Quote: rocket757
            kinetic kick is a cool system

            Warhead SM-3

            1. 0
              29 October 2018 14: 44
              The design development is a class, a technologically very advanced system, but very expensive .... however, some have learned how to shoot single missiles, not very sophisticated! A massive blow, a blow of retaliation, will not reflect anyone!
              So sho bells and whistles, this is a good start for the future, it will not be needed tomorrow. Our asymmetric answer is no less effective, so the time for new developments, to tighten the technological level, and the industry too, while there is but ????
              Doubts do not leave me, for what efforts and time will be spent, I do not know!
              1. +1
                29 October 2018 15: 51
                Quote: rocket757
                This is a good groundwork for the future, it will not be needed tomorrow.

                I agree. But they work ... develop ideas and technologies. With their industrial and scientific potential ... plus hassle-free financing ... In general, it’s disturbing somehow ... You can’t throw your hats ...
                Quote: rocket757
                time for new developments, to tighten the technological level, and the industry too, while there is but

                ... you’ll have to work harder and tighten your belts ... but here’s how to do it in today's realities ... well, so that the effect is what you need, I mean.
                1. +1
                  29 October 2018 18: 37
                  Quote: region58
                  how to do this in today's realities ... well, so that the effect is what you need, I mean.

                  For our current realities and I have a lot of doubts .... precisely because he is not their breed to throw their hats and wave their sabers.
                  The new Minister of Defense seems to inspire some hope, but the Prime Minister - there is no money, but you hold on! - with an increasing number of millionaire ardeurs, but mostly from the power feeder, they do not inspire anyone in a lyrical way.
                  Are we, people, hard workers, for the sake of YOUR country again we’ll push in and out, only where can the fruits of our labors disappear ???
                  I would say in a simple way, as it should, it’s impossible, I’ll cure immediately and .......
  16. +1
    29 October 2018 00: 00
    Quote: 210ox
    Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?

    I have been answering Poles and Romanians for a long time!
    Basically, I do not buy their goods.
    The truth was a sin, they bought a Romanian oak chest of drawers, many years ago.
    Now we buy only solid Belarusian furniture.
  17. +9
    29 October 2018 01: 11
    Quote: dorz
    In the early 80s, 900 RSD-10 Pioneer warheads of 15 megatons each were aimed at Europe,

    And why not 100 megatons each? To write so to write. Nafig materiel to teach, if you can write everything that comes into your head ??

    Quote: Jerk
    What - this is not clear. The muddy concept of the kinetic block rocket itself, the tests are even more muddy.

    Of course a muddy concept. This is American. That's when in Moscow’s missile defense system and in the S-500 system we begin to apply this concept - it will be unparalleled

    Quote: Jerk
    For example, what kind of missile did they intercept there, since they have no medium-range missiles?

    Target missile MRBM. Launched from the island of Kauai (Hawaii). Interception was carried out by a Block-2A missile launched from the destroyer John Finn

    Quote: Jerk
    But for example, what are the test conditions? If the target course is known in advance ... Then aiming the missile at a given point is clearly not difficult. So its effectiveness, as well as these tests, is a big question ...

    And how do all the tests go? Or do you think that when our air defense systems participate in the tests, they don’t know anything? They also know the start time (time is synchronized for this) and the approximate direction in which the goal will go. The same is true for the Americans. The start time is known, an approximate direction. And then the calculation works. Everything will work out well, and the calculation and interceptor is a test successfully. Failure means failure

    Quote: APASUS
    What prevents us from deploying Iskanders in Kaliningrad with nuclear heads to shield the country from Iranian missiles? We must also worry about our safety.

    Give this idea to Putin or Shoigu ...

    Quote: Rusj
    The fact is that the defeat is made by a kinetic drummer. It weighs just a few pounds. The overall dimensions of the guidance-control system have stung to a minimum. Therefore, they were able to achieve such high performance on a relatively small rocket.

    Two or three tens of kilograms - is it a few?

    Quote: Proton
    The Yankees are poured about the defeat range of 2700, and even kinetically, this is a test of the strike complex am

    And when we say that the S-500 system is able to hit targets almost at a distance of 1000 km, is it like that? Testing a defensive missile defense system or strike ????

    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    Yesterday: relevant against the RGCHIN flying along a ballistic trajectory, but not against maneuvering and flying along a quasi trajectory warheads.

    Two questions? Do you seriously think that a maneuvering warhead begins to maneuver immediately after separation from the breeding stage? And where does she go?
    And the second question. And what, the so-called. is the "quasi" (as you called it) trajectory not ballistic? Actually, the correct term is quasiballistic trajectory.
    The main difference from the classical ballistic trajectory is the smaller apogee of the trajectory. This is the first plus. The second plus is that such a warhead is detected later than the usual one.

    But there are also disadvantages. The missile launch range along such a trajectory falls about three times. Since the trajectory is much more energy intensive. At the same time, the payload of the rocket drops about three times. And about half the accuracy drops. As you can see, there are only two pluses, and three minuses

    Quote: Tersky
    Not only across the ocean, today Russian missiles are capable of reaching the United States from anywhere in the world and from any direction.

    Blessed is he who believes ...
    Or is there already something for you that you don't need to pay attention to? Or missile ranges are dimensionless? Try, for example, shooting from a pier in Vilyuchinsk, for example, to hit a target in the territory of Chile, or Argentina. And shooting from the area of ​​Irkutsk or Orenburg, hit the targets again in Chile or New Zealand

    Quote: Tersky
    And the Russian Federation, in turn, today can begin to produce medium-range hypersonic missiles (9M729 for OTRK to Iskander-M and 3M-14 Caliber with the corresponding warhead wink) The EU and the US have no answer at all

    What are hypersonic? They are SUPERLIGHT. am am They have a speed of about 50 speeds of light.
    The speed of 800 km / h for you already HYPERSONIC. Well, well, you have finally reported ...

    Quote: Puncher
    It is not difficult to guess that for missile defense tests you need at least a ballistic missile defense, but without a combat unit, but the treaty makes no exceptions, so the claims are fair.

    You are mistaken, Eugene! Just the creation of target missiles was absolutely legal. According to the article of the contract ...
    In general, there are more fakes in relation to the INF treaty than real violations of the articles of the treaty. This also applies to the MK-41 launchers, target missiles, our Iskander launchers, and our Rubezh ICBM. For most of them, this is a violation, as they like to say, of the spirit of the Treaty, and not of specific articles.
    The issue with the "Rubezh" disappeared when data was presented that it flew more than 5500 km from Plesetsk to Kura. And once it has flown to an intercontinental range, it means this is an ICBM, not an MRBM. The only issue that requires adjustment is our 9M729 cruise missile. Ours claim that they have not tested it at a range of more than 500, but at what range they tested - they do not sound.

    Quote: Vadim851
    This is a very disturbing sign. It can also be used as a ballistic missile with extremely short flying time, the energy of this missile is just wild. Instead of a kinetic interceptor, it can carry a low-power warhead of a couple of kilotons.
    It is also capable of combating ICBMs as a missile defense against TTX, which creates many problems.

    This is not an alarming sign. It will not be able to use BRDS for a number of reasons. Yes, the energy is wild, but the meaning of the missile was always with great speed to deliver a small BG to the target. The BRDS has the task of delivering a much heavier warhead with a lower speed, along a less abrupt trajectory.
    In particular, due to the fact that her payload is about 36 kg. do not put anything there. But it will not only be necessary to place a nuclear charge there, but also to place there a combat platform and thermal protection of the warhead.

    Do not explain the meaning of the BG in a couple of kilotons? What targets can be hit by such a warhead. I’m not even talking about the accuracy of such a head ... For even artillery shells were even more powerful. But there it was necessary to hit manpower on the battlefield
    Well, for the interception of ICBMs, she lacks speed. Fortunately for us, the so-called rocket creation program Block 2B was closed due to a number of difficulties encountered in the design. But she just had to work on ICBMs ...

    Quote: ArikKhab
    "In fact, the creation of a missile is already a direct violation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles" ??
    Doesn't the treaty apply to surface-to-surface missiles? Are long-range surface-to-air / anti-aircraft missiles covered by the treaty?

    Of course not. Moreover, the creation of target missiles with similar characteristics was stipulated in the treaty article.
  18. +2
    29 October 2018 02: 13
    Quote: 210ox
    Serious contraption .. Do we have something to answer?


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  19. 0
    29 October 2018 08: 05
    That’s all why Trump announced his withdrawal from the INF Treaty, he knew about the completion of work on the SM-3 Block IIA missile defense.
    1. -1
      29 October 2018 10: 22
      The INF Treaty is not about that at all. And the United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty back in 2001
  20. 0
    29 October 2018 10: 41
    all according to plan?
  21. 0
    29 October 2018 12: 42
    Quote: Herald of Revy
    Quote: Tersky
    Put five Poseidons on the ground

    Poseidons exist only in the form of experimental prototypes that are still infinitely far from the finished product. This is the opinion of experts and American intelligence.
    PS
    But of course, I have to grab the cons for them (((

    There is a video from the workshop SERIAL ASSEMBLY of products. Look on youtube ...
  22. 0
    29 October 2018 17: 54
    ... interceptor missile tests in the US

    Raytheon .......... Oct 26 2018 year
    The target missile was launched from the Pacific missile range in Kauai, Hawaii during the flight tests of the Standard Missile-45. After acquiring and tracking the target, USS John Finn (DDG-113) launched the SM-3 Block IIA guided missile, which intercepted the target. Learn more:
    https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/direct-hit
  23. 0
    30 October 2018 07: 52
    The new rocket was developed since 2006 and, after 12 years, one could be happy for the American military, if not for one “but”. The main military opponent of the United States - Russia - today just removes such “targets” (and intercontinental ones that the American missile defense systems have yet to learn to intercept) from combat duty and switches to a new generation of combat units with which the new American missile is not even capable of fighting theoretically.
  24. +1
    30 October 2018 22: 33
    Quote: Mamuka Petrovich
    The new rocket was developed since 2006 and, after 12 years, one could be happy for the American military, if not for one “but”. The main military opponent of the United States - Russia - today just removes such “targets” (and intercontinental ones that the American missile defense systems have yet to learn to intercept) from combat duty and switches to a new generation of combat units with which the new American missile is not even capable of fighting theoretically.

    No need to take at face value what we are told from the TV screen. Yes, at a certain height and at a certain speed, such a unit will be a very difficult target for a missile defense. In addition, the SM-3 Block2A is NOT INTENDED for intercepting ICBM blocks. And the interception of such blocks is possible even before the block enters the atmosphere and can maneuver. True, this requires completely different missile defense (GBI). They have both a range and altitude such that it can intercept such blocks even before the start of maneuvering. So theoretically, all this is possible. It all depends on the outfit of forces ....
  25. 0
    2 November 2018 19: 47
    Quote: ArikKhab
    how to fuck with remaking launchers and weaken missile defense


    there’s no need to redo anything; the launch container was designed to initially load two types of missiles (SM-3 Block IIA and winged tomahawks) .We told them all zero that for firing winged tomahawks it’s enough to lift the rockets and load the software, without any alteration of the iron.
    They do not weaken anything, and every expert will tell you that the missile defense was just a cover in order to build the infrastructure for an attack on Russia.

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