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Why is Ukraine so important for Russia?

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The tragic events in Ukraine, provoked by the countries of the West, once again vividly demonstrated that the West is striving to separate Ukraine from Russia by any means, and Russia, on the contrary, having its own geopolitical interests in Ukraine in its confrontation with the West, seeks to keep it in its sphere of influence. Tearing Ukraine away from Russia, the West gains a serious strategic advantage over Russia in confrontation with it.




Everything that happens in Ukraine is one of the elements of the global confrontation between the Russian and Western civilizations. Russia is a geostrategic player in world politics and has the ability and the will to exercise influence in the world in its national interests, which, naturally, does not suit the West.

One may ask: where did such a tough confrontation for many centuries between Russian and Western civilizations come from? According to the theory of the conflict of civilizations of Huntington, civilizations cannot peacefully exist and unite. They can only devour one another. Therefore, this is a war of annihilation, in which there can be no reconciliation and no one who is stronger in all respects, he wins. In this confrontation, Russia won the battle in 1917, starting construction of a principled different from Western society, and in 1991 lost the battle, but as a civilization it was not destroyed, because it was based on Orthodoxy, and it was reborn again.

The confrontation of the Russian and Western civilizations is due to history their origin and formation, Western is the successor of the Roman Empire with its own traditions, and the Russian - of the Byzantine Empire with other traditions.

The basic basis of Russian civilization is Orthodoxy, which relies on collectivism, and at the heart of Western civilization is Catholicism, which relies on individualism.

The way of life of the peoples of the Russian civilization has a communal character and bear the imprint of collectivism, which promotes the unity of individuals and the development of common views on their living arrangement. The customs and traditions of the peoples of Western civilization are based on individualism and the priority of personal goals. If a cult of wealth is peculiar to a man of Western civilization, then a cult of wealth is a man of Russian civilization.

Western civilization has put a lot of effort to destroy the Byzantine Empire and now makes the same effort to destroy its heir.

Ukraine is a limiting state at the junction of two civilizations. The fate of such states is unenviable. They can never remain independent. One of the civilizations must absorb them. Therefore, they often act as a bargaining chip in the confrontation of civilizations.

What does Ukraine mean for Russia? In historical terms, a lot. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. From here came Kievan Rus, here Prince Vladimir baptized the Russian people, and this is one of the centers of Russian civilization.

The invasion of the Tatars tore the Russian people, who from the XIII century turned out to be in three state formations - Vladimir-Suzdal and then in the Moscow princedoms, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Poland. The preservation of statehood and the revival of the Russian civilization was possible only in the Moscow principality, two other parts of the Russian people lost their statehood and developed in the Polish-Lithuanian state formations.

Most of the lands of today's Ukraine came under the rule of the Poles, and for more than four centuries they sought to assimilate the Russian people, instilling in them the Polish identity and the Catholic religion. But the Russian people, besides the population of Galicia, sustained and preserved their Russian identity and Orthodox faith, while under the Polish influence a separate Ukrainian branch of the Russian people was formed. At the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, under the pressure of the Poles and the repressions of the Austrians, the Ruthenians of Galicia lost their identity, adopted Catholicism in the form of a church union, rejected their Russian roots and became part of Western civilization.

All attempts of the elites of the Dnieper region to escape from the Russian identity always ended in ruins and troubles for the people inhabiting it. Independent statehood did not arise here. It is impossible to consider as such sham states during the civil war, and the unexpectedly presented statehood to Ukraine as a result of the collapse of the Union was used by the Ukrainian elites to build a Russophobic state based on the Galician ideology of Ukrainians aimed at opposing the whole of Russia.

This latest attempt to accept Western identity also collapses, there is a civil war in Ukraine, people on the verge of poverty due to the collapse of the economy and industry, the Nazi terror has been established in the country, precluding any dissent against the authorities. Ukrainian elites are fully controlled by the United States, which is trying to implement a Western project to dismember Russian civilization and give Ukraine the status of not a member, but a satellite of Western civilization, and create a base on its territory to put pressure on Russia.

All Ukrainian elites played and played on the side of the West, doing everything possible to weaken Russia. After the coup of 2014, the main purpose of the existence of Ukraine was the opposition of Russia to itself and the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine.

In contrast to Ukraine, Russia is an accomplished state with a centuries-old history and traditions of statehood. Russia as a great state can exist only as an empire, as it was in the times of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. This status presupposes the existence of a strong state power and the will of the elites and the people to defend their national interests in the international arena, as well as a unifying national idea that aims to achieve well-being for its citizens.

In such a state there should be a developed knowledge-intensive industry, a powerful army, the presence of large territories with loyal and educated population, the absence of interethnic conflicts and the availability of serious raw materials.

The Russian Empire was formed with its own characteristics, it grew not overseas territories, such as the United Kingdom, but by territories and peoples in its suburbs, attracting them with its power and more dignified living conditions for these peoples and their elites. The peoples included in the empire retained their ethnicity, their religion and their way of life.

The empire is cemented by the national imperial idea, and with its disappearance the empire itself also disappears. So, the idea of ​​the Russian Empire was “autocracy, orthodoxy, nationality”. When one of the pillars of the empire, “autocracy”, lost its sacredness in the eyes of the elites and the population, which was facilitated by the weak-willed policy of the king, the destructive actions of the queen and Rasputin and military setbacks on the fronts, the empire fell. The Soviet Union also collapsed because the elites and the people lost faith in the imperial idea of ​​building socialism, which turned out to be unrealizable.

Russia is now trying to revive its greatness, but the national idea has not yet been clearly formulated, and this is holding back integration processes in the post-Soviet space. Nevertheless, Russia returned to the club of great powers, and without its participation many international problems could not be solved.

In addition, a significant part of the Russian people, tens of millions, are cut off and are located in other states, mainly in Ukraine and Belarus. Ethnically, historically, religiously and mentally they are associated with Russia. The West is making titanic efforts to prevent the unification of these countries, territories and peoples. The strength of Russia lies in the unity of the torn Russian people. The Russians of Ukraine and Belarus are ethnically united with the Russians of Russia, they are one people, it’s too much united.

Russia will have to tackle serious tasks in the revival of Russian civilization. Tens of millions of Russian Ukraine, acting on the side of Russia, and not in the camp of the West, would significantly strengthen the Russian position.

On this occasion there is a catch phrase by an American political scientist Brzezinski: "Without Ukraine ... restoring an empire for Russia ... would be an unviable event."

Without the territory of Ukraine, the south-western borders of Russia are bare. The West, naturally, will use this territory to create its bridgehead directed against Russia both militarily and in geostrategic confrontation. The West will use Ukraine and its people as a deterrent to Russia's ambitions, including through the creation of military conflicts on its borders, which is happening now in the Donbas.

The presence of a hostile state on the borders of Russia always creates threats of striking a blow from here in the event of a conflict with the West. Part of the Black and Azov Seas under the control of this state, and seaports can be used by the West to limit Russia's capabilities in the event of a conflict, not to mention the missile bases near Belgorod with a minimum flight time for missiles during an attack on Russia.

The population of Ukraine - carriers of the Orthodox religion. In Ukraine, almost half of the parishes of the ROC. On its territory are the shrines of Orthodoxy - three of the five laurels.



The significant scientific and military-technical potential of the Soviet Union was concentrated here, which has already been largely lost. Nevertheless, there are areas that are still important for Russia.

This is the development of heavy transport aircraft such as "Ruslan", which could not be revived in Russia. Production of ship engines, which only began in Russia to develop and produce, which restrains the launch of ships of the Russian Navy. The loss of the Nikolaev shipyard, the only one on which aircraft carriers were made, also does not contribute to the strengthening of Russia's sea power.

All this suggests that Ukraine is vital for Russia in many aspects, and it is unacceptable to leave it in such a state to which it was brought by Ukrainian elites with the help of the West. In order for Ukraine to return to its historically determined place in Russian civilization, its state foundations must be reformatted; instead of the hostile ideology of Ukrainians, the state must be built on the basis of the ideology of Russianness. Only in such a state can Ukraine be returned to Russian civilization.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 05: 05
    +16
    Why is Ukraine so important for Russia?

    Because this is a territory formed by the artificial redivision of the former empire, in which people live who are not at all interested, like the Russians in the fratricidal war. Whoever does not understand this is the very ordinary villain dressed up in the guise of the arbiter of fate. The peoples of Russia and Ukraine have nothing to share. The authorities of Ukraine and Russia have finished to such an extent that now the Lord himself will not understand how and how it all began.
    1. Vard
      Vard 29 October 2018 05: 14
      +12
      Having talked with the inhabitants of Ukraine ... You begin to feel like this is the very villain ... Especially considering the fact that Ukraine is at war with Russia ... and she, Russia did not come to this war ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 05: 29
        +19
        Quote: Vard
        Having talked with the inhabitants of Ukraine ...

        Which ones? Kovtun, Zhovnirenko, Zaporizhzhya, Karasev? Have mercy, having listened to Topilin, Matvienko, and why there is little things - Putin and Medvedev, too, you begin to feel that the secret of youth lies in working to death ... Without the right to objection. And they beat themselves in the chest with hooves, claiming their own Russianness (I won’t talk about Russianness) belay
        Quote: Vard
        Especially considering the fact that Ukraine is at war with Russia ... and she, Russia never came to this war ...

        This power in Ukraine is at war with the power of Russia. And they are simply afraid to go out into the field and fight personally. And those who want to fight for them, for their ambitions (not for their own freedom and independence, because the purpose of the clamps that offer to "drag" is the same, the sizes and rigidity are different), for their selfish corporate interests it becomes less and less ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 October 2018 05: 46
          +8
          Everything is very bad and everything must be returned!
          Everyone had to think for a long time, who needs this?
          What do we all need, native peoples ?!
          And the bar is the same everywhere, like baht, kings and princes, they are piled up on the neck of the people, and the brothers will bleed ..... they will drink blood and eat fat incorrectly!
          You need to think about it and manage your own life!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 29 October 2018 05: 53
          +25
          What residents? I’ll tell you what. Two in Kiev, one in Zaporozhye, and two more in Odessa. My fellow students of the 1986 MEI graduation class have been in Ukraine, people with Soviet upbringing, education and born in the RSFSR .. They carry such muck in social networks that now it’s become impossible to communicate. They have become really enemies and how to reformat them now I can’t imagine the Russian leadership has profiled Ukraine.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 October 2018 06: 44
            +9
            Quote: 210ox
            What residents? I’ll tell you what. Two in Kiev, one in Zaporozhye, and two more in Odessa. My fellow students of the 1986 MEI graduation class have been in Ukraine, people with Soviet upbringing, education and born in the RSFSR .. They carry such muck in social networks that now it’s become impossible to communicate. They have become really enemies and how to reformat them now I can’t imagine the Russian leadership has profiled Ukraine.

            Three years ago I was in Kharkov. A toast in the company (fairly ordinary people - small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, doctors, a middle-ranking official):
            Vanga predicted that in 2016 we will make peace with Russia! All happy, enthusiastic, drank for it.
            I was pleasantly surprised.
            1. just exp
              just exp 29 October 2018 06: 58
              +8
              then Kharkov, in Odessa, too, would have drunk for it, but in other cities alas and ah.
              in the same Kuev, God forbid that he would drink at least every fourth.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 October 2018 07: 28
                +6
                Quote: just EXPL
                then Kharkov, in Odessa, too, would have drunk for it, but in other cities alas and ah.
                in the same Kuev, God forbid that he would drink at least every fourth.

                I was in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.
                With rabid nationalists faced only in Nikolaev. Maybe I just got into such a company.
              2. pacific
                pacific 29 October 2018 23: 17
                +1
                Almost as many Galitsaev have arrived in Kiev now, as there are indigenous people of Kiev left.
                So, you need to carefully and thoroughly look for a company for a drink for such toasts.
                There is one more observation: classmates come from Russia - all those present behave in a decorous, noble, international way, no matter what topics are raised. Although, it should be admitted that they try not to touch upon "sensitive" topics. And if they are going to a local get-together, they are ready to cling to the throats of those who say something good about Russia.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 29 October 2018 09: 38
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Vanga predicted that in 2016 we will make peace with Russia!

              Wang was wrong. I, though not Wang, but find it difficult to name this date
            3. Avior
              Avior 29 October 2018 11: 56
              +2
              it was three years ago.
              Now the situation has changed a lot, including in Kharkov and Odessa
            4. 97110
              97110 29 October 2018 14: 10
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              at 2016 we will make peace with Russia! All happy, enthusiastic, drank for it
              And how did they, these "Ukrainians", pedal in conversation that they live В Ukraine? You drank to mriya that we will sell ourselves and guess to shout in the ranks (!) "America is with us!" They will no longer be Judas, but almost decent people ...
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 29 October 2018 06: 46
            +3
            The article is correct. But, there are some questions.
            . Russia, on the contrary, having its own geopolitical interests in Ukraine in the confrontation with the West, seeks to keep it in the field of its influence.

            And how is this observed? I see the very opposite picture.
            . Russia returned to the club of great powers, and without its participation cannot be resolved many international issues

            How many are these? Well, Syria, of course, what else?
            1. URAL72
              URAL72 29 October 2018 22: 06
              +2
              This is observed as follows: neither Georgia nor Ukraine will be able to join NATO and the European Union as long as they have territorial disputes with anyone. So there will be no bases there yet. Of course they themselves are to blame, but didn’t Russia roll the dice in this game?
              As for international problems, so apart from Syria, we clearly took the lead in influencing Iran from China, the DPRK without us will not go far either, we are better than America in Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and have considerable influence there. We are already in Libya, Uganda, the Central African Republic, we did not go far from Ethiopia (and Sudan is near), we again deliver weapons with influence to Egypt and Iraq, we return to Cuba supporting Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, where the Americans should not let us go, - a matter of honor! It’s a mystery for me how South Africa managed to turn from an enemy almost into a friend (it’s not necessary to talk about Mandela), what the former Amer base of the Philippines is worth, we are returning positions in Vietnam, Indonesia, Angola. Do you think it is so simple and cheap? To buy tanks in Ukraine is to buy smart in the market. Buy from Russia or the United States, this is to take a political position. Day after day, step by step, if not a master, then we hold fast, and at no particular cost, that means Putin and Lavrov (and not only) eat bread for good reason. And if you have a sewer manhole, where you fell into a drunken mood, then you don’t have to spend money on a ticket to Moscow, it’s enough to shit under the doors of the mayor’s ...
            2. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 29 October 2018 22: 27
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              But, there are some questions.

              I also had questions reading the field.
              Russia ... in 1991 lost the battle, but as a civilization was not destroyed, because it was based on Orthodoxy, and it is reborn again

              Just because of Orthodoxy? And no more reason?
              The basic foundation of Russian civilization is Orthodoxy, which relies on collectivism

              And looking at the Russian Orthodox Church you can never say that smile
              So, the idea of ​​the Russian Empire was "autocracy, Orthodoxy, nationality." When one of the pillars of the empire, "autocracy", lost its sacredness in the eyes of the elites and the population, which was facilitated by the king’s weak-willed policy, the destructive actions of the tsarina and Rasputin and military setbacks on the fronts, the empire fell.

              Well, judging by the way the peasants enthusiastically destroyed churches and slaughtered priests and nobles, there were also big problems with "Orthodoxy and nationality".

              The article was late for the 4 minimum. This is in 2014 year, it would be some kind of revelation. And in 2018 all the thoughts from the article have already been voiced many times at different sites. As you can see - no result.
            3. Normal ok
              Normal ok 31 October 2018 11: 47
              -1
              Quote: Stas157
              The article is correct. But, there are some questions.

              I will add one more quote from the article:
              In such a state must be developed high-tech industry, a powerful army, the presence of large territories with a loyal and educated population, the absence of ethnic conflicts and the availability of serious raw materials.

              That "should be" is understandable. But in fact, the opposite is true. Well, except for raw materials.
          3. passerby
            passerby 29 October 2018 07: 47
            +2
            And what do you think the Russian leadership should have done in order not to “fool”? You do not admit that what your classmates say and do is their conscious choice? And explain what exactly Russia could then and can now offer these classmates of yours to form a different point of view about Russia?
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 29 October 2018 09: 13
              +12
              what exactly could Russia then offer now to your classmates?

              Again twenty-five! "Pay, Russia, then maybe we will make friends."
              No, enough. Perhaps we are at a turning point. Perhaps we ourselves are to blame for this turning point. But it's enough to have friends for money! Let these "friends" come to us, having sipped their fill of betrayal, deprivation, plunder and betrayal from the West. Let them come back with the thought that it was good with us before and there is no alternative. Let them walk 40 years in the desert. For the sake of the long term, one can and should wait.
              1. major147
                major147 29 October 2018 10: 34
                +3
                Quote: Galleon
                what exactly could Russia then offer now to your classmates?

                Again twenty-five! "Pay, Russia, then maybe we will make friends."
                No, enough. Perhaps we are at a turning point. Perhaps we ourselves are to blame for this turning point. But it's enough to have friends for money! Let these "friends" come to us, having sipped their fill of betrayal, deprivation, plunder and betrayal from the West. Let them come back with the thought that it was good with us before and there is no alternative. Let them walk 40 years in the desert. For the sake of the long term, one can and should wait.

                There are no "friends for money"! There are kept women. Both Russia and the United States, which they call allies. And stop paying, "friends" run away to a more solvent "friend". Hence the conclusion - "friends for money" = people with low social responsibility! (censored by VO)
              2. passerby
                passerby 29 October 2018 12: 45
                +2
                I’m talking about this, let them go with God to their Europe. Only sanctions against Ukraine must be introduced in order to feel how it was before and how it became after. And in no case should I pay Ukraine for friendship, even against the fact that Belarus would have some kind of preferences and money allocated.
                Quote: Galleon
                what exactly could Russia then offer now to your classmates?

                Again twenty-five! "Pay, Russia, then maybe we will make friends."
                No, enough. Perhaps we are at a turning point. Perhaps we ourselves are to blame for this turning point. But it's enough to have friends for money! Let these "friends" come to us, having sipped their fill of betrayal, deprivation, plunder and betrayal from the West. Let them come back with the thought that it was good with us before and there is no alternative. Let them walk 40 years in the desert. For the sake of the long term, one can and should wait.
              3. pacific
                pacific 29 October 2018 23: 45
                0
                what exactly could Russia then offer now to these classmates of yours ...

                "Pay, Russia, then maybe we'll make friends" .... it's enough to have friends for money!

                A passerby in his post did not say a word for money. You, Galleon, are right - there are no friends for money. Neither in life nor in politics (although the latter is not obvious).
                But in order to attract people (and any person) to their side, in any case they need to offer something. Moreover, positive, and these are not material goods. The option "come with me, because it will be even worse with others" does not work.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 29 October 2018 09: 55
              +7
              Quote: bystander
              And what do you think the Russian leadership should have done in order not to “fool”?

              I will answer you, as a resident of Ukraine, in Crimea, 39 years old. During the collapse of the USSR, the Crimeans all looked and hoped for Moscow, Yeltsin. Everyone wanted to go to Russia. But what you did and said EBN you know. Crimeans began to be completed under Ukraine.
              There were many "pro-Russian" parties in Crimea, but in reality they did nothing. Russia had to work at the everyday level, with every person, to show and prove the unity of people. You know how in Ukraine the bulk of Russia was rooting for in Chechnya!
              But the old and new Russian authorities decided that Ukraine could be retained by outbidding power. Money and money was what the bet was. At the grassroots level, the Russian authorities did not want to talk with the Ukrainians, however, as well as with the Russians. Therefore, such ambassadors were businessmen in Ukraine.
              And the states and Poland worked on the bottom - they showed the delights of their life, the box also worked in this direction. And at this moment in Russia, gastrobeaters from Ukraine were already learning the "charms" of communicating with the guards of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, healthcare. This is not by hearsay, he himself saved his brother's money from the clutches of the guards.
              And the economic situation in Russia was not so rosy.
              Therefore, in the 14th, there was no one to defend the unity of Ukraine and Russia in Kiev. Work on the bottoms in combination with the loot of foreign countries interrupted a single past and future. Superbablo defeated the loot.
              1. passerby
                passerby 29 October 2018 12: 53
                +7
                Do not need general phrases, tell me how exactly it was necessary to work with ordinary Ukrainians? Give money again or what? How they were ill for the Russians in Chechnya they saw on the example of all kinds of different Sasha Bily. After all, none of them in Ukraine demanded that they be held accountable. Let Ukrainians go to their Europe, do not forget only to impose sanctions on them. This will be work with ordinary Ukrainians, let them feel for themselves how it was before, and how it became after.
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: bystander
                And what do you think the Russian leadership should have done in order not to “fool”?

                I will answer you, as a resident of Ukraine, in Crimea, 39 years old. During the collapse of the USSR, the Crimeans all looked and hoped for Moscow, Yeltsin. Everyone wanted to go to Russia. But what you did and said EBN you know. Crimeans began to be completed under Ukraine.
                There were many "pro-Russian" parties in Crimea, but in reality they did nothing. Russia had to work at the everyday level, with every person, to show and prove the unity of people. You know how in Ukraine the bulk of Russia was rooting for in Chechnya!
                But the old and new Russian authorities decided that Ukraine could be retained by outbidding power. Money and money was what the bet was. At the grassroots level, the Russian authorities did not want to talk with the Ukrainians, however, as well as with the Russians. Therefore, such ambassadors were businessmen in Ukraine.
                And the states and Poland worked on the bottom - they showed the delights of their life, the box also worked in this direction. And at this moment in Russia, gastrobeaters from Ukraine were already learning the "charms" of communicating with the guards of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, healthcare. This is not by hearsay, he himself saved his brother's money from the clutches of the guards.
                And the economic situation in Russia was not so rosy.
                Therefore, in the 14th, there was no one to defend the unity of Ukraine and Russia in Kiev. Work on the bottoms in combination with the loot of foreign countries interrupted a single past and future. Superbablo defeated the loot.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 29 October 2018 13: 08
                  0
                  Quote: bystander
                  how exactly was it necessary to work with ordinary Ukrainians?

                  maintain our identity: to study for free in Russian universities, employment in the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, etc. Here is an example:
                  The "soft power" of Poland conquers Kharkov.
                  Last fall, several dozen Kharkov students went to Poland, where they visited Gniezno, the first capital of the kingdom, visited Poznan and a number of other historical places. In 2017, there were seven such children's groups, that is, hundreds of young Kharkiv residents visited Poland. Judging by the reviews, the children dream of coming back to Poland.

                  And the Polish diplomatic mission in Kharkov is developing a virtual space. At the beginning of June this year, the consulate held a presentation of the application for smartphones, which is called "Polish Kharkov". Developed by its employees and graduates of two Kharkov universities - the Pedagogical University and the University of Economics named after Kuznets. In autumn, the application will be available to users and by installing it on your phone, anyone can find out that Kharkov is the city of Pilsudski and other famous Poles. What the Polish diplomatic mission in Kharkov does in Soviet times was called ideological sabotage. Today it is called "soft power." With its help, it’s not territories that are taken under control, but minds — through humanitarian projects like the Pilsudski memorial plaque, calendars with a portrait of a Polish dictator, sending Kharkov children to Poland, Polish Kharkov smartphone apps, etc.
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 29 October 2018 13: 56
                    +4
                    With all due respect, all those who are now in power in Ukraine, including the most stubborn Natsiks, studied at Soviet universities and schools for free, went to rest in Soviet pioneer camps for free, and what, did this somehow help? These people will probably understand something if they impose tough sanctions on them and Ukraine as a whole, so that they see and feel in their own skin what it means when Russia is friend and what it means when Russia is not friend.
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: bystander
                    how exactly was it necessary to work with ordinary Ukrainians?

                    maintain our identity: to study for free in Russian universities, employment in the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, etc. Here is an example:
                    The "soft power" of Poland conquers Kharkov.
                    Last fall, several dozen Kharkov students went to Poland, where they visited Gniezno, the first capital of the kingdom, visited Poznan and a number of other historical places. In 2017, there were seven such children's groups, that is, hundreds of young Kharkiv residents visited Poland. Judging by the reviews, the children dream of coming back to Poland.

                    And the Polish diplomatic mission in Kharkov is developing a virtual space. At the beginning of June this year, the consulate held a presentation of the application for smartphones, which is called "Polish Kharkov". Developed by its employees and graduates of two Kharkov universities - the Pedagogical University and the University of Economics named after Kuznets. In autumn, the application will be available to users and by installing it on your phone, anyone can find out that Kharkov is the city of Pilsudski and other famous Poles. What the Polish diplomatic mission in Kharkov does in Soviet times was called ideological sabotage. Today it is called "soft power." With its help, it’s not territories that are taken under control, but minds — through humanitarian projects like the Pilsudski memorial plaque, calendars with a portrait of a Polish dictator, sending Kharkov children to Poland, Polish Kharkov smartphone apps, etc.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 29 October 2018 19: 18
                      -1
                      Those who studied at Soviet universities under 60. If you look closely, you will see that the engines of processes in Ukraine were those who were 20-40, it was a tribe that grew up after the Union. And now the government is betting on kindergarten and school. The people you mentioned are already written off
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 29 October 2018 20: 14
                        +1
                        40-year-olds studied in Soviet schools and went to Soviet pioneer camps. And oligarchs like Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, who are behind the Maidan, studied at all-Soviet universities
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Those who studied at Soviet universities under 60. If you look closely, you will see that the engines of processes in Ukraine were those who were 20-40, it was a tribe that grew up after the Union. And now the government is betting on kindergarten and school. The people you mentioned are already written off
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 29 October 2018 21: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: bystander
                        who are behind the Maidan

                        and who stood on the Maidan? What age
              2. beeper
                beeper 29 October 2018 14: 36
                +1
                hi This was not only in the Crimea, Comrade Sylvester!
                We all remember well the "golden-tongued" tongue-tied Russian ambassador, the "gas worker", who was on friendly terms with the Kiev red-haired racist, who had spilled the Russophobic book "Ukraine is not Russia", which became a kind of manifesto of "anti-Russia" - the overseas "project Ukraine"!
                And the indistinct "gray mouse", who was friends with the inveterate Kiev banderlog, was also seen, he finally sat "quietly under a broom" when his Bandera friends "euromaidan" institutions, with might and main genocide the Russian population of Ukraine!
                And the banderization-transformation of the ex-Ukrainian SSR into "Ukraine" - "anti-Russia" was carried out with Russian "subsidized" money - tens and hundreds of billions of dollars, practically free of charge and uncontrollably provided by the Russian authorities to the Ukrainian Bandera authorities !!! And then Russian "analysts" do not cease to be "touched" that the Americans spent only "five billion dollars" on turning the huge post-Soviet republic into their colony - no, the Americans, through their agents of influence "in the highest echelons" of the Ukrainian government, who controlled everything " financial flows ", spent Russian billions on their American anti-Russian goals (this is not counting the total deriban of the Soviet public property and the export of stolen goods to foreign" caches "controlled by overseas hucksters, which was also used by them for American purposes!) !!!
          4. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 29 October 2018 08: 13
            +1
            This is a consequence of anti-Russian propaganda. In particular Russophobic. Divide the people of Russia into tribes and pit, the goal of the West. They will put pressure on national identity.
          5. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 08: 31
            +5
            Quote: 210ox
            They carry such disgusting things on the social network that it has become impossible to communicate now. They have become really enemies and how I can’t reformat them now

            You know. It is here, on the site, that many have become irreconcilable, not enemies, but opponents. We, people living in the same country, people of the same nationality and faith, cannot agree with each other's opinion, find a common denominator in solving the problems of the future of our Fatherland. One part argues that it is precisely the feudal-capitalist formation supported by a political corporation called United Russia that is capable of increasing ... providing ... reviving ... recreating ... regaining the place of the leader, while others say that it is precisely this the path will end with the collapse of the country, demographic failure, impoverishment of some and the increase in capital of a small part of the "upper caste". And, most importantly, both sides present arguments and facts. Only one side is talking more and more about the future, while the other proposes to compare the recent past and, taking into account mistakes, restore the socialist state. Where will the scales tilt? Who should you give preference to? Anyone who talks about a real increase in the salaries of Russians by 11%, or those "illiterate rascals" who do not go to work (because there is nowhere), do not go to a new place of residence (because there is nothing), but see only their wallets small bills and holes and are forced to explain to children that this is the Motherland?
            1. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 29 October 2018 08: 59
              +1
              You're right. But to explain to the children that the homeland, even though ugly, is necessary. To betray the Motherland is the same as their parents
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 October 2018 12: 18
                +5
                Quote: igorbrsv
                You're right. But to explain to the children that the homeland, even though ugly, is necessary. To betray the Motherland is the same as their parents

                To betray the Homeland is to work for foreign intelligence, for example. Mow from the army, evade taxes. If you consider betrayal a change of residence - this, in my opinion, is nonsense. If you are in demand somewhere else in the world where the future of your children is more promising or secure, it’s a sin not to use it.
            2. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 29 October 2018 10: 00
              0
              One smart person said, who wants to achieve something, he is looking for ways, who is not, he is looking for excuses. What do you mean nowhere? The country is huge. What does it mean nothing? I received education getting into debt. Really ate one noodle and not a dashirack at one time, but a cheap rollon. I had only bread, a cheap spread at home and onions. And a box of noodles for a month. Stopped smoking, drinking. And so more than a year to pay money. I am almost 40 years old, you know what I’ve been doing the last week ?! He flew to the capital for a seminar. At my own expense. For I need this knowledge to develop further. And my wife a month ago. And also at his own expense. We are still learning! Why can we and others not ?! Why aren't these people with holes in their pockets even trying ?!
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 08
              +5
              Quote: ROSS 42
              It is here, on the site, that many have become irreconcilable, not enemies, opponents.

              we ourselves cannot agree on the future of the country, however, although we are not asked. And from the side it is better to see. Ukraine looks at our mess and says, "do we need it ?.
              What difference does it make to us who will clean our pockets - Ukrainian or Russian "businessmen" and "friends"?
              Take a look across the Crimea. What are Russian "friends" doing? Modernization of healthcare and education - hospitals have become worse at times, doctors have fled. Read the forums of Sevastopol.
              The hucksters from the mainland came to the local hucksters and went to saw the dough with a vengeance. They shared the "spheres of influence" with the Ukrainian "brothers" and cut their hair. All Crimean retail chains ("PUD". "Fresh") belong to the citizens of Ukraine. It was these networks that could bring down food prices in Crimea. There is already a bridge, trucks are flowing, but prices are holding.
              Crimea was to become a showcase of Russia for Ukraine, so that the Ukrainians really saw the benefits of joining. BUT this is not there. Russia also loses the battle on the lower classes in the Crimea.
          6. DPN
            DPN 29 October 2018 09: 12
            +2
            They have become real enemies and how to reformat them now I can’t imagine the Russian leadership profiled Ukraine.
            26 years of free life and schooling in all the former Soviet republics hated the USSR. And even more anger towards Russia, since Siberia remained in its composition with innumerable wealth. Therefore, having everything in the USSR.! now besides freedom and kapstroy there’s NO shit, hence all the anger and envy.
          7. Avior
            Avior 29 October 2018 11: 53
            +2
            Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Pavel Klimkin - graduate of the Physics and Technology College of 1991.
            Russian, born, raised in Russia.
            Poroshenko is a Russian-speaking native of Odessa region.
            But really, your fellow students are unfortunately right — the rights of Russians in Ukraine are least interested in the Kremlin, and everyone understands this, and the current protection of their rights only leads to a worsening of their situation. in my opinion, this is an extremely bad policyrequest
          8. Gardamir
            Gardamir 29 October 2018 12: 44
            +1
            . Became real enemies
            Divide the conquer. Tomorrow your area will be separated from the neighboring one and you will blame your neighbors for everything.
          9. Maverick78
            Maverick78 29 October 2018 13: 18
            -1
            That you were not lucky with classmates ... usually in those parts that you have listed at least one in three does not support the Maydan
          10. beeper
            beeper 29 October 2018 13: 48
            +5
            Quote: 210ox
            What residents? I’ll tell you what. Two in Kiev, one in Zaporozhye, and two more in Odessa. My fellow students of the 1986 MEI graduation class have been in Ukraine, people with Soviet upbringing, education and born in the RSFSR .. They carry such muck in social networks that now it’s become impossible to communicate. They have become really enemies and how to reformat them now I can’t imagine the Russian leadership has profiled Ukraine.

            hi In what "social networks" and how, will they really be frank in the NSA-controlled "Facebook" and "Skype" ??? winked
            After all, "Vkontakte" and "Odnoklassniki", like "Mail.Ru", and many other Russian Internet resources are prohibited by the Bandera authorities, and when you try to access these social networks directly (not through a proxy), an "alarming banner" appears on the monitor screen. "with a corresponding warning from the provider that the connection to the requested site is prohibited by decree of ukroprez number such and such, from such and such a number, and, in general," may be dangerous for your computer " request !
            Well, you need to be completely stupid (+ also a scumbag like me repeat ) so that, "existing (we still remember the" bearded "anecdote about the" inscriptions in the Georgian cemetery "-type" born in 1944, died in 1990, lived for 4 years "?)" in an independent "American colony, to confess" , especially with the inhabitants (albeit three times bosom friends) of the country, declared by the Bandera authorities as an "aggressive aggressor" with whom they have a "war" (for denying this, the "peresichnyans" now "break" criminal punishment and prison, and if you blur something out, then the "careless" is not there and the wrong, then you can not live up to the trial, you can easily part with your life and health on the street, and the post-Maidan policemen will not intercede, will not protect against unbelted "heroes", but will watch from the sidelines! ) "!
            "Reformat them" in the same way as "reformatted" them - using the "reformatted" zombie vision and environment! yes I hope they haven't forgotten M.-L. "classics": "Being determines consciousness!" wink
            We watched the "wedding in Malinovka", remember the "cap" and "budennovka" ?! After all, who we have the most rabid "nationalists" are the "reformed" former "riding" Komsomol and party activists, whoever Timokha and Pastor were Komsomol members together, Farya Ditoznushchalka (this one is even an active communist, and this is during her studies at the institute !, got out, although now it denies its connection with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union), Alka Tyagnibyk Komsomol, Senya Pisyay pioneer, ... ukroprezy, everyone, also komrenegats.
            Even a pastry chef in Soviet times was active "along the Komsomol line," and "the power in the country changed" and immediately adapted, joined where it was more profitable, founded the "pro-Russian" party of "regions", then moved to the "Orangeoids" to Yushchenko and then became minister Yanukovych labored asceticism, now he has become a "cynical Bandera" ... the same, colleagues in Crimea in 2014 wink ), just to be closer to the "helm of power"? !! winked
            And the people, for the most part, adapt to any power ("We smile and wave!" - Skipper from "Madagascar"))) - live something hot! So do not worry about "reformatting", comrade 210okv!
        3. just exp
          just exp 29 October 2018 06: 57
          +19
          how good it is to read theorists who know about urkain only that it exists.
          they don’t have relatives among the poopers (what about those poopers that ethnic Russians, who like Klimkin were born in Russia or their parents were born in Russia and moved to ruin during the USSR), they have no friends among them. relatives and childhood friends never told them that they were Muscovites, they didn’t call their relatives a washed zombie because they knew that you weren’t going to overthrow Putin because they considered him a fiend of hell, relatives and friends did not call them quilted jackets and barbarians, did not joke about the fact that you eat hedgehogs and drink glass (even though you are much better with food and drinks than they have) that you are not a Slav, but moksha, non-decreasing, although you are of the same blood with them (with your relatives). and it’s necessary, they are pure Slavs, although they were born in Russia, and you are moksha and finougr because you were born in Russia.
          and after all this, bodies appear that tell us that the simple population is ruined by holy people who innocently suffer under the yoke of Bandera, not knowing that real pro-Russian people there are 30 percent, maybe 35, and 65-70 who called us non-brothers.
          By the way, how did it happen that 100 thousand ragules set cancer in 45 million innocent Ukrainian people?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 October 2018 07: 41
            +3
            I saw only a few inadequate there. For about 4 years I had a company in Ukraine. I heard Movu a couple of times in Boryspil, and two times in Odessa, in the "tourist" restaurants. So everyone communicates in Russian. Well, yes, my driver was also with gadgets: ATO, Slavs, guides, zahist, overpowering, but ... his wife was Russian, his friends mostly also didn’t feel any hostility towards Russia. Or he didn’t show it to me.
            1. 97110
              97110 29 October 2018 14: 32
              -2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              I had a company in Ukraine

              You quickly forgot Russian ...
          2. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 29 October 2018 08: 24
            -3
            Ukrainians 28 years old brainwashed. They are not in vain now called the country of 404. Well then all of them to the wall? There are not so many openly hostile, but if you wait a little longer, then yes, write is gone. He was also in Odessa in 2012. The attitude towards the Russians is excellent (it was). Met, however, one Bandera. He looked at us like a wolf. Although no, two. One in the dash, the other in the wine.
          3. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 08: 38
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            By the way, how did it happen that 100 thousand ragules set cancer in 45 million innocent Ukrainian people?

            In the same way, three of Belovezhskaya Pushcha, having signed in defiance of a national referendum in paper, destroyed a country with a population of 290 ... belay
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 11
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            But how did it happen that 100 thousand Raguli cancer set 45 million innocent vukraintsef cancer?

            in the same way that EBN put all of Russia in cancer
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 29 October 2018 09: 36
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Which ones? Kovtun, Zhovnirenko, Zaporizhzhya, Karasev?

          there are others. These specialists show us, look at your enemies. There are others who will never be shown on the box, who still remember the USSR and negatively assess what is happening. But they are less and less.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 29 October 2018 12: 40
        +1
        Ukraine is at war with Russia ... and it, Russia has never come to this war ...
        Ponty is not patriotism.
      3. aws4
        aws4 29 October 2018 21: 08
        +1
        and on the other hand, having talked with some (a good half) residents of Russia (on the topic of Ukraine), you begin to feel that they are not much different from those Ukrainians .. and the only difference is that they were recalled there and ours are here ...
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 4 November 2018 01: 47
        -1
        Quote: Vard
        Ukraine is at war with Russia ... and she, Russia so did not come to this war ...

        Did I miss something? Did Ukraine declare war on us? Give me a reference, and it seems so to you, well, if it seemed like they didn’t come ... to the war ...?
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 October 2018 13: 35
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Because this is a territory formed by the artificial redivision of the former empire, in which people live who are not at all interested, like the Russians in the fratricidal war

      So the words of Putin are recalled - We are preparing for war, and not preparing a war.
  2. passerby
    passerby 29 October 2018 05: 14
    +14
    I do not agree with the author. Such Ukraine, as it exists today, is not needed by Russia in principle, and there are many reasons for this. Firstly, Ukrainians themselves do not see their future with Russia. Secondly, in Ukraine, all those high-tech industries in which Russia was interested were almost completely destroyed. Today it is cheaper, safer and more reliable to organize these production facilities in Russia itself. Thirdly, and Crimea has clearly demonstrated this, Ukraine’s integration will require enormous financial resources, since today almost everything has been destroyed, from the housing and communal services infrastructure to the education system. Ukraine should remain an underdeveloped buffer state between the EU and Russia, and Russia must maintain a regime of severe sanctions against Ukraine in order to create a situation where the EU itself will abandon the attempt to integrate Ukraine into this organization because it will be very expensive and entail the risks of drawing the EU into an armed conflict in Ukraine. Ukraine is doomed to slide into a wild field, while Ukrainians will flee to the EU and Russia.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 29 October 2018 06: 05
      +9
      Well, did Ukraine itself become such, or was it helped to become? In Ukraine, we have a complete failure and surrender comparable with the surrender of our positions to the USSR. And just like the USSR, the USA won there. The same thing is with our former fraternal republics and the CMEA countries. Russia has a failure on all fronts, and the United States has a constant offensive and capture. In terms of high-tech products, Russia is limping on both legs. We do not produce products of modern technology and do not trade in technology. We even designed the Crimean bridge and helped build our partners. Having poor neighbors is also not very nice. This means that they will be recruited into units to confront Russia. What will Russia do? Judging by the constant surrender of positions since the days of Gorbachev, nothing. We then began to hand them over, so we are still handing over them. It has already reached the point that even the Balts are showing us something. And this somehow does not fit with Russia as a respected and influential country.
      1. passerby
        passerby 29 October 2018 06: 36
        +20
        I think you have the wrong approach to the question. You consider Ukrainians as some children who are not responsible for their actions. Theses like “Ukraine didn’t become itself, Ukraine helped to become” are fundamentally not true, Ukrainians themselves repeatedly chose the power that brought their country to its current state, therefore it was their will and only they should be responsible for the consequences. As for the “failure” of Russia, I believe that this is an objective consequence of the state in which our country is. We simply have nothing to offer ordinary Ukrainians, we do not have a high standard of living compared to the EU, we do not have a very good infrastructure, in principle, you can take any question and state that Russia is not a leader in this matter among European countries. We don’t have any idea that can captivate people. All that we could offer Ukraine, cheap gas, a sales market, cooperation, was perceived by ordinary Ukrainians not as a gift, but as a matter of course. Accordingly, regardless of the diplomatic efforts on the part of Russia, the result would be exactly the same as we saw it today. And no need to regret about this, such relations that were between Ukraine and Russia until 2014 only weakened Russia. We spent huge funds on Ukraine, and they continued to look towards the west. You just need to let them go, let them now eat what they so much wanted.
        Quote: Mr Credo
        Well, did Ukraine itself become such, or was it helped to become? In Ukraine, we have a complete failure and surrender comparable with the surrender of our positions to the USSR. And just like the USSR, the USA won there. The same thing is with our former fraternal republics and the CMEA countries. Russia has a failure on all fronts, and the United States has a constant offensive and capture. In terms of high-tech products, Russia is limping on both legs. We do not produce products of modern technology and do not trade in technology. We even designed the Crimean bridge and helped build our partners. Having poor neighbors is also not very nice. This means that they will be recruited into units to confront Russia. What will Russia do? Judging by the constant surrender of positions since the days of Gorbachev, nothing. We then began to hand them over, so we are still handing over them. It has already reached the point that even the Balts are showing us something. And this somehow does not fit with Russia as a respected and influential country.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 29 October 2018 06: 54
        +2
        Quote: passerby
        I do not agree with the author. Such Ukraine as it exists today is not needed by Russia

        And the other will be gone. And the West’s action and Russia's inaction are to blame. The author correctly pointed out that Russia can only survive together. Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan (this country never existed at all) this is a divided Russia.
        1. passerby
          passerby 29 October 2018 07: 36
          +12
          Russia will survive admirably even without Ukraine, which has been proven over the past 27 years. And what happened in Ukraine is not to blame for Russia or the West, but for Ukrainians. Everything that happened there and is being a consequence of the decisions of the Ukrainians themselves and let the Ukrainians themselves eat the consequences of their decisions.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 41
            -1
            Quote: bystander
            Russia will stand excellent without Ukraine,

            just an example: where are the engines for our ships?
            1. passerby
              passerby 29 October 2018 12: 57
              +5
              These engines are a vivid example of the fact that in no case did you need to rely on another country in matters of security. Could do this in working order before, but did not, now we will do it in emergency mode.
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: bystander
              Russia will stand excellent without Ukraine,

              just an example: where are the engines for our ships?
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 29 October 2018 14: 18
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr

              just an example: where are the engines for our ships?

              In Rybinsk. The first two experimental M90FRs were made last year. Three experimental engines have already been reported this year.
              As of March 2018, UEC-Saturn PJSC produced three prototypes of the M90FR gas turbine engine (GTE). This is reported in the company's presentation on the success in creating ship-borne gas turbine engines, dated March 30 and posted on the website of the Union of Russian Aircraft Manufacturers.
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 29 October 2018 09: 05
        0
        It is interesting to know which partners helped Russia to design and build the Crimean bridge.? Under the sanctions!
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 29 October 2018 10: 06
          +1
          In the internet there. You can see.
      4. DPN
        DPN 29 October 2018 09: 36
        +3
        YOU are right in 2014, the Russians surrendered Ukraine to the West, and where could they lead them if we ourselves have almost ANARCHY,
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 29 October 2018 10: 09
          +4
          I personally did not let anyone in. It was still not enough to persuade someone to be good, and even at my expense. Do not like the tailwind.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 06: 35
      0
      Quote: bystander
      Ukraine is doomed to slide into a wild field, while Ukrainians will flee to the EU and Russia.

      And it seemed to me that soon most of Russia would slide down to the state of a wild field (land from Moscow to the Urals, most of Siberia and the Far East). So, enclaves will gather around the federal centers, and in the territory where there is no production, no infrastructure, no power, nothing but dilapidated housing, only Russian pensioners and "new citizens of Russia" from the PRC will survive. Directly it seems that the authorities, the one in Moscow, it seems that the regions will still be able to pay off the debts to commercial banks, into which they were drawn by interest on loans. Such a movement of the loop along the neck ... So that it does not immediately and not hurt so much ... Well, but if someone does not like it, -
      look what is happening in Ukraine. Do you want that?
      1. just exp
        just exp 29 October 2018 07: 00
        -1
        it seems to you sucks.
        for a week now, during the influx of such guardians for Russia who are burying this very Russia.
        and such a massive influx, with bots, work as a group and purposefully suppress another opinion.
        an accident? or did the US State Department again allocate money to the US Department of State’s Internet Department for improving the US image on the Internet?
      2. passerby
        passerby 29 October 2018 07: 42
        +5
        Again, someone, someone, somewhere dragged. These loans, which were forced to take at gunpoint, they took themselves, and are responsible for the consequences. In the end, these loans are taken by adults, capable people, and then for some reason I begin to whine, as the children - “we were drawn”, infantilism is so rushing. You need to answer for your actions. As for the “wild field” in Russia and the collapse, this did not happen in the 90s, much less will happen now. Compared to the 90s, the country has become much stronger and more stable.
        1. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 29 October 2018 11: 20
          +1
          It is not noticeable that the country is stronger. Worse and worse.
          1. passerby
            passerby 29 October 2018 12: 59
            0
            And I'm getting better and better. And economic indicators, including those calculated by the IMF and the World Bank, suggest that now it’s much better than it was in the 90s.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 29 October 2018 15: 43
            +1
            I do not see this.
      3. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 29 October 2018 10: 11
        -2
        These horror stories are for whom ?!) show me a country where regions do not break under economic problems and where people do not try to move closer to the centers ?!
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        look what is happening in Ukraine. Do you want that?

        it is for this that such Ukraine is presented to us
    3. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 29 October 2018 08: 46
      -1
      Then it is necessary not to prohibit the entry of Ukrainians into Russia, but to facilitate this. Moreover, our population is small. And so, yes. Restore Ukraine and the EU is beyond the power, and there is nothing to take. Take out the entire population of LDNR to us, destroy the rest to the end, although not, they will plunder
      1. DPN
        DPN 29 October 2018 09: 42
        +1
        Take out the entire population of LDNR to us, destroy the rest to the end, although not, they will plunder
        If it’s not a secret and where it’s cold to the North or Siberia there, and whoever wanted to have already fled as well as ours.
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 29 October 2018 10: 17
          +1
          And where do they go. Obtain citizenship problemma, respectively, and get a job and pay for housing - problemma. And many would go to Siberia, I think, create a factory and a hostel there. At least with citizenship to solve the problem and provide shelter. At first, you could work as a janitor. Our single mother worked, never received citizenship, she left back. With citizenship, at least there were surcharges. And so I rented an apartment
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 October 2018 12: 26
            +1
            Yes, no problem getting citizenship. You need to hire a good lawyer with experience in this field and everything will go back to normal.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 29 October 2018 15: 46
              +3
              Honestly, even without a lawyer, a Ukrainian who has lived in Russia for three or four years and has earned money legally can be granted Russian citizenship.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 October 2018 15: 47
                +2
                That's right. Just a lawyer saves time. Picking paper, checking docks, etc.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 15
      +2
      Quote: bystander
      Such Ukraine as it exists today is not needed by Russia in principle

      agree
      Quote: bystander
      Thirdly, and Crimea has clearly demonstrated this, Ukraine’s integration will require enormous financial resources, since today almost everything has been destroyed, from the housing and communal services infrastructure to the education system.

      that's for sure
      Quote: bystander
      when the EU itself abandons the attempt to integrate Ukraine into this organization

      they do not strive for this, but now the EU has received a market, labor and anti-Russia. States use the territory for bases.
      Quote: bystander
      Ukraine is doomed to slide into a wild field, while Ukrainians will flee to the EU and Russia.

      and then there’s nothing and no one to attach at all.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 29 October 2018 13: 47
      -1
      Quote: bystander
      Such Ukraine, as it exists today, is not needed by Russia in principle, and there are many reasons for this. Firstly, Ukrainians themselves do not see their future with Russia.

      You are directly signed for all Ukrainians.
      Quote: bystander
      Secondly, in Ukraine, all those high-tech industries in which Russia was interested were almost completely destroyed.

      There are two points ... first, but where are the specialists of these enterprises now? Most of them are already working in the Russian Federation in a specialized way. That is, it is not so difficult to return them if Ukraine is freed from the junta. And the second ... and in the 14 year, did we need Ukraine? There, then, not everything was so deplorable. However, we, as institutions, repeated about the self-determination of the state, based on the CRIMINAL CONSENT in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, which was not even ratified.
      Quote: bystander
      Third, and Crimea has clearly demonstrated this, Ukraine’s integration will require enormous financial resources, since today almost everything has been destroyed, from the housing and communal services infrastructure to the education system

      I’ll ask the seditious question, “Do we need Siberia with the Urals? Everything is not developed there either, it’s not really settled down and it requires much more money than Ukraine. So why don’t we give them to someone who has money? About 30 million people live in Ukraine now. Most of them are Russian-speaking. Let's throw them away completely. You, on the sofa, are talking dryly and comfortably about this. And besides this number of people, there are also about 20 of millions of Russians and Russian speakers who would like to return to the Russian Federation. Here you have working hands, and demography, and so on ...
      Quote: bystander
      Russia must support a regime of severe sanctions against Ukraine in order to create a situation where the EU itself abandons the attempt to integrate Ukraine into this organization because it will be very expensive and entail the risks of involving the EU in an armed conflict on the territory Ukraine.

      The EU is not going to, even without our sanctions, accept Ukraine into its club. This was initially understandable. The USA needs Ukraine only as a subject of resources and as a place for bases at our belly. Point.
      And as a consequence of all that has been said, I’m sure that we need Ukraine even in the form that it has now. The triplicity of the Russian peoples was not invented by us.
      1. passerby
        passerby 29 October 2018 14: 40
        0
        Firstly, as for yours - “you have signed for all Ukrainians,” you can go to Kiev and campaign on the Maidan for reuniting with Russia, do not forget to warn in advance, we will bet here after how many minutes you’ll break your head. Secondly, if people have left and are now working in factories in Russia, then why return them back? To then bite my elbows again about the engines for frigates? Thirdly, Siberia is part of Russia, and Ukraine is not, if you think not, then you can try to do what I suggested in the first paragraph. And lastly, about the "triplet of Russian peoples" the first time I hear from you.
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: bystander
        Such Ukraine, as it exists today, is not needed by Russia in principle, and there are many reasons for this. Firstly, Ukrainians themselves do not see their future with Russia.

        You are directly signed for all Ukrainians.
        Quote: bystander
        Secondly, in Ukraine, all those high-tech industries in which Russia was interested were almost completely destroyed.

        There are two points ... first, but where are the specialists of these enterprises now? Most of them are already working in the Russian Federation in a specialized way. That is, it is not so difficult to return them if Ukraine is freed from the junta. And the second ... and in the 14 year, did we need Ukraine? There, then, not everything was so deplorable. However, we, as institutions, repeated about the self-determination of the state, based on the CRIMINAL CONSENT in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, which was not even ratified.
        Quote: bystander
        Third, and Crimea has clearly demonstrated this, Ukraine’s integration will require enormous financial resources, since today almost everything has been destroyed, from the housing and communal services infrastructure to the education system

        I’ll ask the seditious question, “Do we need Siberia with the Urals? Everything is not developed there either, it’s not really settled down and it requires much more money than Ukraine. So why don’t we give them to someone who has money? About 30 million people live in Ukraine now. Most of them are Russian-speaking. Let's throw them away completely. You, on the sofa, are talking dryly and comfortably about this. And besides this number of people, there are also about 20 of millions of Russians and Russian speakers who would like to return to the Russian Federation. Here you have working hands, and demography, and so on ...
        Quote: bystander
        Russia must support a regime of severe sanctions against Ukraine in order to create a situation where the EU itself abandons the attempt to integrate Ukraine into this organization because it will be very expensive and entail the risks of involving the EU in an armed conflict on the territory Ukraine.

        The EU is not going to, even without our sanctions, accept Ukraine into its club. This was initially understandable. The USA needs Ukraine only as a subject of resources and as a place for bases at our belly. Point.
        And as a consequence of all that has been said, I’m sure that we need Ukraine even in the form that it has now. The triplicity of the Russian peoples was not invented by us.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 October 2018 14: 50
          0
          Quote: bystander
          Firstly, as for yours - “you have signed for all Ukrainians,” you can go to Kiev and campaign on the Maidan for reuniting with Russia, do not forget to warn in advance, we will bet here after how many minutes you’ll break your head.

          And do you think Ukraine begins and ends with the Maidan? That is, several thousand frostbitten Bandera people are all the people of Ukraine in your opinion? I often go to Ukraine and talk with Ukrainians ... just imagine, no one hit my head.
          Quote: bystander
          Secondly, if people have left and are now working in factories in Russia, then why return them back?

          And it didn’t occur to you that many Ukrainians had to travel to Russia in order to stay away from the war, idiots in Kiev, etc.?
          They were born on that land and didn’t leave a good life. If in Ukraine the junta is swept away and there will be peace, believe me, many will want to return to where they were born and lived most of their lives.
          Quote: bystander
          Thirdly, Siberia is part of Russia, and Ukraine is not, if you think

          Dear, Ukraine is part of the Russian Empire. These lands have always been Russian. No wonder they say, Big, Small and White Russia. This is the triple of Russia.
          And do not refer to the contract in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, as it is criminal and not legal at all.
          1. passerby
            passerby 29 October 2018 15: 53
            +2
            Well, if you say in Ukraine only a few thousand frostbitten people who are against reuniting with Russia and the rest are for, so what's the deal? Moreover, if you often go there, go ahead, head the process of reuniting the "fraternal peoples", because all the same for this, as you say. Or not all? Or maybe very few people in favor? At least you will come back to reality, not a single person in the Ukrainian media has said a single word about unification with Russia. All that you are talking about here is nothing more than your fantasies. As for the Ukrainians who moved to Russia, Ukraine is their country, and if they want to “overthrow the junta,” for God's sake, let them go and overthrow the flag in their hands and drum. But I am categorically against us doing this for them. Let the poop clean from your home. Further, regarding the Bialowieza Treaty, it makes no sense to talk, if, as you say, Ukrainians are for unification, then a new unification agreement can be concluded. That's just the “for” Ukrainians no more than your fantasies, as I wrote above.
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: bystander
            Firstly, as for yours - “you have signed for all Ukrainians,” you can go to Kiev and campaign on the Maidan for reuniting with Russia, do not forget to warn in advance, we will bet here after how many minutes you’ll break your head.

            And do you think Ukraine begins and ends with the Maidan? That is, several thousand frostbitten Bandera people are all the people of Ukraine in your opinion? I often go to Ukraine and talk with Ukrainians ... just imagine, no one hit my head.
            Quote: bystander
            Secondly, if people have left and are now working in factories in Russia, then why return them back?

            And it didn’t occur to you that many Ukrainians had to travel to Russia in order to stay away from the war, idiots in Kiev, etc.?
            They were born on that land and didn’t leave a good life. If in Ukraine the junta is swept away and there will be peace, believe me, many will want to return to where they were born and lived most of their lives.
            Quote: bystander
            Thirdly, Siberia is part of Russia, and Ukraine is not, if you think

            Dear, Ukraine is part of the Russian Empire. These lands have always been Russian. No wonder they say, Big, Small and White Russia. This is the triple of Russia.
            And do not refer to the contract in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, as it is criminal and not legal at all.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 October 2018 15: 03
        +7
        Quote: NEXUS
        I’ll ask the seditious question, “Do we need Siberia with the Urals? Everything is not developed there either, it’s not really settled down and it requires much more money than Ukraine. So why don’t we give them to someone who has money?

        Probably because they are already part of the Russian Federation. And, by the way, if Ukraine joins the Trans-Urals, you can forget about it at all - the budget is not rubber. And Russia will receive two at once region of high social tension - One was given money, but not enough, and another was taken away.
        Quote: NEXUS
        About 30 million people now live in Ukraine. Most of them are Russian-speaking.

        The Russian language in Ukraine has long been not synonymous with the pro-Russian position. The most odious anti-Russian statements were made in Russian by Russian-speaking Ukrainians.
        Quote: NEXUS
        And besides this number of people, there are about 20 million Russians and Russian speakers who would like to return to the Russian Federation.

        And what prevents them from doing this now? Or, in order for them to come, Russia must meet these 20 million with bread and salt, feed, drink and donate an apartment - after taking all of the above from its citizens? For "nothing can come from nothing".
        Quote: NEXUS
        And as a consequence of all that has been said, I’m sure that we need Ukraine even in the form that it has now.

        Maybe. But not to the detriment of Russia. Otherwise, we will again return to the late USSR, when there were two donor republics for the entire Union, and the rest sucked the Union budget, and even shouted that they were giving little - after all, it was they who "fed the entire Union."
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 October 2018 15: 12
          -2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Probably because they are already part of the Russian Federation

          That is, for you, Ukraine is NOT Russian land. I recall the words from one film. Why are you, the royal face of the earth squandering? So you can’t save any volosts!
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The Russian language in Ukraine has long been not synonymous with the pro-Russian position. The most odious anti-Russian statements were made in Russian by Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

          You, too, are talking about several thousand Bandera shortcomings. And this herd of degenerates is all Ukrainians?
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And what prevents them from doing this now?

          And you try to make Russian citizenship ... I think very surprised. Citizenship of a European state is much easier and faster to do. Believe me.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Maybe. But not to the detriment of Russia

          It was necessary to think about damages of a stupid policy much earlier than the Maidan. And now we have waited and have what we have.
          1. passerby
            passerby 29 October 2018 16: 44
            -1
            Return already to the land from your fantasies, Ukraine, this is not Russian land since 1991. The same applies to the "several thousand disadvantages", which also live exclusively in your fantasies, only in the zone of the so-called ATO there are several tens of thousands of so-called "disadvantages". Or are their detachments forced to fight? And Russian citizenship for those born in the USSR is done quickly and simply.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 29 October 2018 16: 55
              -2
              Quote: bystander
              Return to the land of your fantasies already, Ukraine, this is not Russian land since 1991 year.

              You will forgive your illiteracy and you don’t even understand this ... has the treaty been ratified in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? What kind of vegetable does he have power at all?
              Quote: bystander
              The same applies to the "several thousand disadvantages", which also live exclusively in your fantasies, only in the zone of the so-called ATO there are several tens of thousands of so-called "disadvantages"

              If you are about the national battalions, then there are not tens of thousands of them. And those that came to the Armed Forces of Ukraine are more often not of their own free will and of their own will.
              Quote: bystander
              And Russian citizenship for those born in the USSR is done quickly and simply.

              Yeah ... right now. But I apologize, those who were not born in the USSR? M
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 4 November 2018 02: 34
                -1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: bystander
                Return to the land of your fantasies already, Ukraine, this is not Russian land since 1991 year.

                You will forgive your illiteracy and you don’t even understand this ... has the treaty been ratified in Belovezhskaya Pushcha? What kind of vegetable does he have power at all?

                Why are you clinging to this agreement.
                Prior to its signing (by the founders of the USSR), preceded by the appearance in these countries of the Declarations of Independence, where they recognized themselves as independent states with the delegation of part of the powers of the USSR ....
                Well, in Belovezhskaya Pushcha they removed this shortcoming and deprived the USSR of the right to apply the jurisdiction of the latter in relation to them ...
                After signing the agreement, the USSR could legally exist quietly, as part of other republics ....
                The first territory that dared to leave the USSR is the Nakhchivan Republic. It happened back in January 1990. It was followed by: Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Lithuania and Armenia. - Read more on SYL.ru: https://www.syl.ru/article/186853/new_razval-sssr-posledniy-prezident-sssr-belovejskie-soglasheniya-goda

                An example is Ukraine. In a country at a nationwide referendum on December 1, 1991, almost 90% of citizens voted for Ukraine’s independence, and L. Kravchuk was elected president of the country. - Read more at SYL.ru: https://www.syl.ru/article/186853/new_razval-sssr-posledniy-prezident-sssr-belovejskie-soglasheniya-goda

                In turn, a new chairman of the Supreme Council, S. Shushkevich, was elected in Belarus. It was he who invited the leaders of neighboring states Kravchuk and Yeltsin to Belovezhskaya Pushcha to discuss the current situation and coordinate subsequent actions. After minor discussions between delegates, the fate of the USSR was finally decided. The agreement on the creation of the Soviet Union of December 31, 1922 was denounced, and instead a plan of the Commonwealth of Independent States was prepared. After this process, a lot of controversy arose, since the agreement on the creation of the USSR was reinforced by the Constitution of 1924. However, it should be noted that the Bialowieza Agreement of 1991 was adopted not by the will of three politicians, but at the request of the peoples of the former Soviet republics. Two days after the signing of the agreement, the Supreme Councils of Belarus and Ukraine adopted the act of denunciation of the union treaty and ratified the agreement on the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States. In Russia, on December 12, 1991, the same procedure took place. For ratification of the Bialowieza Agreements not only radical liberals and democrats voted, but also communists. - Read more at SYL.ru: https://www.syl.ru/article/186853/new_razval-sssr-posledniy-prezident-sssr-belovejskie-soglasheniya-goda

                Meanwhile, the order of exit from the USSR was violated by the heads of these three states, because exit from the USSR should have been preceded by a referendum in these republics
                In connection with the process of separation of republics that began, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a law of April 3, 1990, "On the Procedure for Solving Issues Related to the Exit of a Union Republic from the USSR."
                The law clearly defined the exit procedure. This issue could only be resolved at a republican referendum.
                The decision on the withdrawal of a Union republic from the USSR is made by free expression of the will of the peoples of the Union Republic through a referendum (popular vote). The decision to hold a referendum is taken by the Supreme Council of the Union Republic on its own initiative or at the request of one tenth of the citizens of the USSR permanently residing in the republic and having the right to vote in accordance with the legislation of the USSR. The decision to withdraw is considered adopted if at least 2/3 percent of the population voted for it. The results of the referendum are considered by the Supreme Council of the Republic.

                https://alexandr-ussr.livejournal.com/7064.html
                However, with all this, the "tagged" resigned
                Already on December 25, USSR President Mikhail S. Gorbachev resigned. - Read more at SYL.ru: https://www.syl.ru/article/186853/new_razval-sssr-posledniy-prezident-sssr-belovejskie-soglasheniya-goda

                I think Gorbachev is to blame for everything, he is the last link in the destruction of the Union, and the comrades who signed the Bialowieza Agreement and members of the Supreme Soviets of the republics ratified their separatists, and if there had been a man similar to GDP for Gorbachev’s place, then the collapse would have been milder, and could have transformed into the Confederation with the same name ...
                But as a person born in the RSFSR, I am glad that this happened, my republic got rid of parasites and now lives quietly without them, though there are still many people who want to shove my Russian Federation back into the USSR ...
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 October 2018 16: 25
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            That is, for you, Ukraine is NOT Russian land. I recall the words from one film. Why are you, the royal face of the earth squandering? So you can’t save any volosts!

            All claims are against comrades Lenin and Brezhnev. One created the Ukrainian SSR, and the other consolidated the sovereignty of the republics of the USSR (union republic - sovereign soviet socialist state) in the 1977 Constitution.
            And Russia must first of all take care of those lands that are already part of its composition. Socialist internationalism in action we have already passed — we won’t finish it ourselves, but we will equip the next country that has embarked on the path of socialism. How it ended - everyone remembers.
            Quote: NEXUS
            You, too, are talking about several thousand Bandera shortcomings.

            Yeah ... that is, among the Russian-speaking, who by no means need to be abandoned, now appeared individual Bandera defects. And if you go further and recall the territorial statistics of the ATO fighters and impose it on the language?
            Tell me, how to distinguish the right Russian from the wrong? Maybe by that - does this Russian-speaking ATO tax pay? wink
            Quote: NEXUS
            It was necessary to think about damages of a stupid policy much earlier than the Maidan. And now we have waited and have what we have.

            So for some reason no one offers another policy. Again all the same rake walking with the support of the Russian-speaking population and mythical pro-Russian political forces. And this Russian-speaking population, by striking labor in the unheated shops of Kharkov and other factories, is strengthening the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    6. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 29 October 2018 18: 02
      -1
      Such Ukraine as it exists today is not needed by Russia

      The clause “what it is today” applies to Russia as well. Here is a 2 by 2 matrix with 4 options. In the “as it should” option, the dismemberment has no place. The collapse of the empire (USSR) is one thing, but the isolation of parts of the people is far from harmless. It is necessary to take into account the principle of the minimum size of populations for the specifics of the Russian people, remember, for example, “Baghramyan’s law”. The restoration of the unity of the Russian people, their subjectivity and functionality are issues of survival.
  3. avia12005
    avia12005 29 October 2018 06: 12
    +3
    Reasoning about the obvious.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 29 October 2018 06: 20
    +14
    For Ukraine to return to its historically determined place in Russian civilization, its state foundations must be reformatted, instead of the hostile ideology of Ukraine, the state should be built on the basis of the ideology of Russianness.


    Today it’s utopia.
    The young generation of Ukraine is torn from Russia mentally ...
    now young Ukrainians are more inclined to Western values, so to speak, than to those values ​​that we can offer ... while we lose this game.
    I see the solution only in the economy and standard of living an order of magnitude higher than the standard of living in the West ..
    In order to attract people to themselves, it is necessary to create, figuratively speaking, a paradise for a single person in our country ... where a person could find himself ... find his application in society ... the task is arduous and long.
    Attempts to attract people with the help of Orthodoxy or the Russian world without resolving economic issues are doomed to failure.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 29 October 2018 06: 41
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Attempts to attract people with the help of Orthodoxy or the Russian world without resolving economic issues are doomed to failure.

      Sometimes it seems to me that Orthodoxy in Russia has revived at the initiative of a state that can only so call people to humility. They themselves obey the commandments of Orthodoxy with great reluctance. And about the needle eye, stroking the fattened faces, it is remembered only in terms of the desire to sew up their insatiable throats ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 October 2018 06: 46
        +9
        Sometimes I see that Orthodoxy in Russia revived at the initiative of the state,

        Unfortunately, Kremlin officials are drowning the very essence of Orthodoxy in a swamp of political passions ... they are acting extremely unprofessionally and rudely ... and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church himself got into politics to the ears.
        Orthodoxy is split by the efforts of the Americans ... divide and conquer ... the old principle of the Roman Empire is now the United States operates without fail.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 29 October 2018 07: 14
      +11
      Quote: The same Lech

      The young generation of Ukraine is torn from Russia mentally ...
      now young Ukrainians are more inclined to Western values, so to speak than the values ​​that we can offer... while we are losing this game.

      To offer values, you must have them.
      And what values ​​can we offer? Acute social inequality? The rampant oligarchy and theft of officials at all levels? Elections without a choice? Work without pensions? Landing for likes and reposts? ... How can you attract, in what respect can life in Russia be attractive to foreigners (Slavs)? Maybe the average salary is higher than in the DPRK (though lower than in China)?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 October 2018 07: 26
        +4
        And what values ​​can we offer?

        Unpleasant topic... what by and large, our society has little to offer the world as an alternative to Western values.
        Of course, watching how the oligarchs of Russia buy yachts the size of a good cruiser, few people will feel love for our values ​​and this is a problem ... a huge problem and we have such a solid carriage and a small cart.
        I don’t know what to say ... in the Kremlin they rely on young people luring them with ideas of success, talent and other rubbish devoid of any ideology ... you will not go far ... attempts to take the American path are also a dead end ... complete uncertainty about future development our country.
    3. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 29 October 2018 09: 07
      +2
      Paradise can only be in one place. As soon as the standard of living in Russia increases, it will fall in some of the countries. In this case, we fed everyone. As they decided to take care of themselves, barking rose from all sides (west) and they try to bite more painfully
    4. DPN
      DPN 29 October 2018 09: 52
      -2
      YOU are returning to the USSR and in this with you for sure the majority of the people, I am for.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 24
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The young generation of Ukraine is torn from Russia mentally ...
      now young Ukrainians are more inclined towards Western values, so to speak, than those values

      it is in this vein that the foreign country and the authorities of Ukraine work
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      while we lose this game.

      like everyone else in Ukraine
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I see the solution only in the economy and standard of living an order of magnitude higher than the standard of living in the West ..

      for us it is utopia. Ukraine looks at our mailbox and has connections with relatives. The real state of affairs they know. And we ourselves, in the majority, understand the impasse in the economy
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Attempts to attract people with the help of Orthodoxy or the Russian world without resolving economic issues are doomed to failure.

      this last thread connecting Russia and Ukraine spiritually. This game is lost.
      So there are no prospects on the Ukrainian "front".
      Even a change in the president of Ukraine in six months will not solve this problem. A foreign country will not allow ANYONE to change the new course of Ukraine, unless the people themselves change it. And for this we need what we do not have
      1. Ptolemy Lag
        Ptolemy Lag 29 October 2018 11: 24
        +2
        To do this, we need a tough and decisive leader, a patriot of our country, we don’t have it now
    6. Avior
      Avior 29 October 2018 11: 58
      +1
      now young Ukrainians are more inclined to Western values, so to speak

      as in Russia
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 October 2018 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        now young Ukrainians are more inclined to Western values, so to speak

        as in Russia

        In Russia, they sincerely believe that Western values ​​are gay parades. laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 October 2018 12: 43
          +1
          yeah, the iPhone is trampled underfoot smile
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 October 2018 12: 54
            +2
            And the last one. To do this, and buy. Immediately upon exit.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 October 2018 06: 37
    +4
    For Ukraine to return to its historically determined place in Russian civilization, its state foundations must be reformatted, instead of the hostile ideology of Ukraine, the state should be built on the basis of the ideology of Russianness.
    The main question is who and how will do this, and most importantly, due to what (whom)? On paper, the words are lined up in the correct wording, but in reality what to do with the inveterate Natsik and the new generation of those who are brought up in hatred of Russia?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2018 06: 41
    +3
    It’s clear what is needed .. Return how? If the brains of the people are poisoned, there is no worse beast than Russia .. And several generations have grown up on this ...
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 October 2018 06: 59
    +8
    The "figures" of the Russian Federation are tormented by the reasons why it is impossible to recognize the LDNR and return their people to Russia: "the people are not the same," "if you have enough to feed them, you don't have enough", "your partner will be offended," "formidable" silence, etc. the brain that the Kremlin thinks about "Empire" and it "needs" all of Ukraine. And the annexation of Donbass is too "a small task". laughing
    Southeast, New Russia - of course this is Russian land. And it must be returned. But Kiev and the Right Bank can return (or maybe not) only in the distant future.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2018 10: 46
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      And the annexation of Donbass is too "small task"

      If we recall the events of 2014, Donbass was perceived as part of the Russian world, and that is why the events unfolding here were proudly called the Russian Spring. After five years, the Donbass turned out to be aloof from the Russian world, and this, unfortunately, is what the name of the forum held in Donetsk says: Donbass separately, Russian world separately. (Last week, the Russian World-Donbass integration forum was held in Donbass.) Donbass today is farther from the uncompromising patriotic moods that it was totally embraced in 2014 precisely because at the official level Russia does not take any noticeable steps regarding integration industrial region into its composition. Realizing that the game goes in the same gates, the Donetsk and Lugansk people who were at war and patriotically inclined in 2014-15 were simply tired, disappointed and let everything go by its own accord. Someone left, someone retired, someone just watching from the side.
      1. Altona
        Altona 29 October 2018 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        If we recall the events of 2014, Donbass was perceived as part of the Russian world, and that is why the events unfolding here were proudly called the Russian Spring. After five years, the Donbass turned out to be aloof from the Russian world, and this, unfortunately, is what the name of the forum held in Donetsk says: Donbass separately, Russian world separately. (Last week, an integration forum “Russian World - Donbass” was held in Donbass).

        ------------------------
        The Kremlin, by its actions, leveled the very idea of ​​the "Russian World". In reality, after the elections, the Kremlin showed that there is no "Russian world" in Russia itself. Pension reform is a genocide of indigenous areas. Putin is the same balalaika as Poroshenko, he is just a ZOZhnik, and Petro is a drunk. That's all.
  8. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 29 October 2018 07: 00
    +2
    Ukraine is the roots of Russian civilization. It is under these roots that they cut it. It turns out that both Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union were more attractive for the integration development of peoples of state formations than the post-Soviet "collapse" that arose after them, on which Ukraine appeared. But in fact, today it is difficult to imagine how much Russian and Ukrainian blood is in each of us. The question is - is it possible to divide in a person and save him from some. Probably not. So with the economy, which was previously linked by blood ties, today it is torn with pain for both Russia and Ukraine. Moreover, all problems can and should be solved positively. hi
  9. oracul
    oracul 29 October 2018 07: 10
    +3
    "Life Cannot Be Turned Back" is sung in the song. Solomon in his parable said - "Everything will pass, this will also pass." Philosophy teaches: "Development goes in a spiral ... The struggle and unity of opposites is the source of development." Any attempt to simply leave everything as it is is doomed to failure, because this, as a rule, is the desire of the current elite to preserve the benefits of their position for themselves and for their children. It is only a matter of time before the failure occurs; the Ukraine that the older generation knew is no longer there. And it is necessary to build relations with it exclusively from the standpoint of protecting Russia's long-term interests.
    Of course, preferably on the basis of international law, if it is not usurped by one of the parties. To develop trade and cooperation in the economic sphere, but not to the detriment of oneself. People say: do not do good (I will add - do not tame), you will not get evil. "Friendship" for money and promises, as the Americans do, is too reminiscent of relations in the thieves' world - in terms of concepts, but for the time being.
  10. Conductor
    Conductor 29 October 2018 07: 28
    +6
    THERE are really brains poisoned if I talked about last year, a colleague and an old acquaintance said that Ukraine was feeding the whole Union !!! To my question, that with the union, and right now, I did not see Ukrainian products in Alma-Ata. There was an answer that remade the container !!!!!!!!!!! They carried the mayonnaise in barrels.
  11. asiat_61
    asiat_61 29 October 2018 07: 59
    +2
    the author has collected everything that is needed and what is not needed. Initially, Ukraine began to create the Austrians of the First World War and a little earlier. The Germans continued, well, in 1929, Comrade Stalin began to create Ukraine. He cut the lands of the RSFSR to it, later Galicia. Not when there were any Urkaines !!
    1. Yat
      Yat 29 October 2018 18: 37
      +2
      It was not Stalin who cut the land to Ukraine, but Lenin. And the Ukrainianization of the provinces of Novorossia began precisely under Lenin.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 30 October 2018 04: 06
        0
        Lenin was wallowing in the mausoleum by then.
        1. Yat
          Yat 3 November 2018 14: 31
          0
          These were still 1919-20 years when the DKR and Odessa were transferred to Ukraine.
  12. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 29 October 2018 08: 03
    0
    Wonderful article!
  13. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 29 October 2018 08: 09
    +4
    I quote; If a man of Western civilization is characterized by a cult of wealth, then a man of Russian civilization is characterized by a cult of affluence. Rave! Just look at the palaces that appear like mushrooms in our resort town. What civilization is there?
  14. Nike
    Nike 29 October 2018 08: 15
    +3
    Has it begun to reach Russia that one cannot "chew snot" for a long time in such cases?
  15. then
    then 29 October 2018 08: 31
    +3
    Russia and Ukraine played chess, and Ukraine was a fool.
    After the collapse of the USSR, Russia tried to build normal good neighborly relations with Ukraine on a mutually beneficial basis, as with an independent independent state. For the sake of this, she made concessions on the issue of the ownership of Crimea, Sevastopol, and external debt. But Ukraine, like the West, considered this a sign of Russia's weakness and began to become impudent. Sliced ​​chunk can not be sewn back. The salvation of drowning, the work of the drowning themselves. Therefore, Russia has taken a win-win position, to help those who do not spare their belly. But the howls about the fraternal people that Russia needs Ukraine ... Is that a game of fooling again.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 29 October 2018 09: 16
      -5
      Only the population is needed. Ukraine itself is not needed even by Ukrainians, and Russia even more so. Considering that the black soil is taken out from there already
    2. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag 29 October 2018 11: 26
      +4
      Crimea Yeltsin literally drank
  16. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 29 October 2018 08: 57
    +2
    The author is breaking through the open door. The fact that only in the unity of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus is a safe existence of the Russian state possible is clear to everyone. But how to achieve this? The author speaks about this with the reader in the language of the army political officer (not one of his best representatives). Like, you need this, you need this ... But how to achieve this - that is the question. I am sure that the best minds of the Eastern Slavs are puzzling over this. But the answer is not visible. Therefore, what is the use of talking about the need for a union, everyone, including enemies, and here the author is right, have firmly learned this. But.
  17. New Year day
    New Year day 29 October 2018 09: 34
    +5
    Everything goes according to Brzezinski. Even in the 11th I spoke on this subject with friends of the Ukrainians, laughing. But how it happened. There is no more that kind, generous Ukraine. A new generation has grown up, for which the USSR, Russia is an empty phrase. The authorities of Ukraine and foreign countries are betting on them. In 10 years, with such a policy on the part of the Russian Federation, Ukraine will be the same as the Baltic states. The Rubicon has not yet been crossed, but very close by.
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 October 2018 12: 23
      -1
      are mistaken.
      not an empty phrase, but an aggressor country.
      which is much worse sad
  18. prior
    prior 29 October 2018 10: 02
    0
    Just as in 2014 Ukraine passed through Crimea, so Russia passed through Ukraine.
    With the mentality of the people living in Ukraine, it is impossible to return this territory to Russia’s orbit peacefully. West for handouts, bribery and loans will do with this population and in this territory all that he needs. Since international law has become a fiction, Ukraine has been drawn into NATO and medium-range missiles will be deployed. And the buttons will put Bandera.
    So it turns out that there are only two ways out of the situation: either get "Bandera's Somalia" on the border of Russia and then the war, or a war now with the destruction of the Bandera misunderstanding called Ukraine and the creation of the autonomous republic of Novorossiya.
    1. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 29 October 2018 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: prior
      There are only two ways out of the situation:

      Samarin correctly noted - Novorossia was destroyed with the elimination of Mozgovoy, the oligarchy of neither Ukraine nor Russia needs it. New Russia is necessarily social justice. Our president put himself in an awkward position, noting that there was a request for justice in society, but he remained with his “results of a privatization review”. We live in the "old Russia". The way out - survival - only in renewal, in creativity, in development.
  19. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 29 October 2018 10: 11
    -1
    I think that the author is right, and it’s hard to argue with his facts, but where to put the fascist population with Bender’s ideology? This population (independent Bandera) must go through a period of quarantine and receive a serious vaccination against independence. But these are Slavs with a Polish mentality, and even infected with Western tolerance and gender uncertainty. Maybe they are in FIG? You don’t feed such brothers how much, anyway, they look into the forest (for a freebie).
  20. sla1372
    sla1372 29 October 2018 10: 21
    0
    it seems to me that time is lost for the return of Ukraine there has grown a whole generation of European Bandera
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 October 2018 11: 31
      +1
      a whole generation of European Bandera
      And what? A whole generation of Euro-Russians has also grown in Russia.
    2. Detnix
      Detnix 29 October 2018 12: 10
      +1
      Harmful nonsense, the lands of Ukraine were ruled by Lithuania and Poland for about three centuries, they all returned and lived together for a long time, and now three decades have passed.))
  21. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 29 October 2018 10: 44
    0
    The basic foundation of Russian civilization is Orthodoxy

    True in clarification - the basis of Orthodoxy is the ancient Vedic worldview. Conscience did not appear during the Christian period, it was destroyed under kings. The ancients knew 26000-year-old cosmic cycles.
    a man of Western civilization is characterized by a cult of wealth, then a man of Russian civilization is characterized by a cult of affluence.

    The main difference: Western civilization took place as a predatory parasitic. The Russian people are a producer who will survive only as a warrior.
    Ukraine is a limitrophic state at the junction of two civilizations.

    Limitrophic at the junction - suggests subjectivity. But this is the territory of the life of the united Russian people (like Belarus). Ukraine is the outskirts of the body of the Russian people, and it is right to say - in Ukraine - on the edge. The refuseniks of Russianness stubbornly say-in Ukraine, asserting their subjectivity. The powerful mental influence of the West marginalized (the influence of heterogeneous mental fields) Ukraine with a drowned out national generation of Russians as a whole. By the way: the words Ukraine and the marginal are one-root, “margo” is the land, lat .. This is a common misfortune, and in Russia both the government and the church and the entire population are marginalized. It's a disease.
    The invasion of the Tatars tore the Russian people

    The invasion of the Tatars is not proven. The destruction of traditional veche self-government tore the people apart.
    the idea of ​​building socialism, which turned out to be unrealizable.

    In the USSR coefficient. deciles 4-6. What kind of unrealizability are you talking about?
    The strength of Russia lies in the unity of the torn Russian people.

    Top grade. Restore the unity and health of their people in any way, not looking at anyone, not looking at anything.
  22. Waldemar
    Waldemar 29 October 2018 10: 58
    +3
    Let's be honest: because it is Russian land. Not Polish or anyone else's. Russian territory
    1. Yat
      Yat 29 October 2018 18: 33
      +2
      Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk is also Russian land. But for some reason, it’s silent in the near-Kremlin circles.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 4 November 2018 02: 56
        -1
        Quote: Yat
        Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk is also Russian land. But for some reason, it’s silent in the near-Kremlin circles.

        The time has not come yet ...
  23. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 October 2018 11: 30
    -4
    Let's briefly go over a recent story.
    So Boris Nikolayevich, nothing shone, stand at the helm of the Union. Further events showed that in Russia he would not have sat at the helm. Therefore, there was the first coup, I would say somersault with the exit from the Union. And immediately, Russia arose. Although, whatever we were told, Russia is both Tiflis, and Revel and Khujent, and not just the neighboring Zamkadye.
    But Ukraine, despite the artificial repulsion, was still Russian, Russian. Remember the newspaper articles of the early 90s, no one recognized the boundaries. But Ukraine had to be pushed into the hands of the West, and then a cunning plan was launched. Everyone was tired of trying to sit on two chairs Yanukovych. But eliminating Yanukovych, it is not a fact that Ukraine would swing to the West. Then the capture of Crimea was made. Slaves were announced. that the West is preparing to set up its base. Do you remember at least one NATO ship Ukrainians put into their ports? I mean until 2014. And here supposedly the base. Moreover, so that Ukrainians do not have a desire to look towards Russia. They created on TV, on every channel, anti-Ukrainian programs.
    Remember the events of spring 2014, the next candidate for the Crimea was Kharkov. But they are sculpting from Kharkov, the anti-Russian region. Now the NATO base is possible there.
    As for the story of geography. Current Ukraine is divided into three parts. New Russia, from Kharkov to Odessa including Crimea. Little Russia, the center with Kiev and Poltava. and actually Ukraine, the Ukrainian lands of Austria-Hungary and Poland. This is Lviv, Rivne, Ivanovo-Frankivsk.
    So think before spitting in the direction of the Ukrainians. And the desire is to break your tongue speaking Ukraine, in Russian correctly to Ukraine. Just like in Russia.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 29 October 2018 11: 44
      0
      Even as it started up, both in Sevastopol and in Odessa.
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 October 2018 12: 12
        +1
        as well as Russia, with short visits. none were based.
        and even in the USSR this happened
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 29 October 2018 12: 33
        +1
        Even as let
        Do not forget about the planes flying through Ulyanovsk.
  24. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 29 October 2018 11: 46
    +2
    With what a fright Nicholas II was limp? Didn’t flood Russia with rivers of blood? Do not strangle the State Duma? Not transplanted liberals? And in Soviet times they wrote that he was a bloody, a hanger, a pogromist of the revolution of 1905! Who to believe? But for the achievements of the Empire for more than 20 years of rule, he had nothing to do? And is it not strange that all the rulers in Russia were crappy? And Grozny, and Nikolai both, and Paul, and Stalin, and Brezhnev? Now we are actively helping the West push the GDP into the same list! Or maybe you need to be more careful and careful with the estimates ?! And then everyone writes everywhere: people-people, the great Russian people! And without a leader, like without a leader, it’s just a herd of sheep living on the principle of who is in the forest and who is by fire! Like the same current deputy officials! Didn’t they crawl out of the people? Yes, and about Christianity! Is the estimate too high? Something around is not there such delight from the current church? Faith, above all, is purely personal, and it does not depend on the church, but on culture and education! And folk traditions do not take shape over 1000 years, and are postponed in the subcortex, but over a much longer time! Especially such as sacrifice and duty to serve the people and the fatherland!
  25. Avior
    Avior 29 October 2018 12: 06
    0
    in my opinion, many do not understand that the situation has changed much since 2014.
    then some had the euphoria that in LDNR and Crimea (including the majority of local people) that the power would pass to the people there and many were led to it.
    But in Crimea, the old ones remained in power, the same ones were added to them, no big change in Crimea for the better, as many hoped, didn’t happen, there’s nothing to talk about LDN, the people of the highest paid part of Ukraine really fell into poverty, even against the background of the rest Ukraine, complete hopelessness.
    As for why in 1991 they voted for independence even in Crimea, although before that the situation was the opposite - it was because the people painfully reacted that a handful of people in Moscow decided without any involvement from the vast majority of the country, it was very unpleasant.
    1. iouris
      iouris 29 October 2018 12: 24
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      But in Crimea, the old ones remained in power, the same ones were added to them, no big change in Crimea for the better, as many hoped, didn’t happen, there’s nothing to talk about LDN, the people of the highest paid part of Ukraine really fell into poverty, even against the background of the rest Ukraine, complete hopelessness.

      Of course. Unification and progress can only be associated with a change in order. That did not happen. Those in power and property are capable of only extensively exploiting the population. A divided country will only be divided.
  26. Detnix
    Detnix 29 October 2018 12: 08
    0
    Ohhh, a very strange question: is half of your body or part of your soul important to you ?! The answer is clear ...
  27. iouris
    iouris 29 October 2018 12: 18
    +2
    Here are those on! Just a couple of years ago, they firmly stated that Brzezinski was deeply wrong and that Russia would live comfortably without Ukraine.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 October 2018 13: 54
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      Just a couple of years ago, they firmly stated that Brzezinski was deeply wrong and that Russia would live comfortably without Ukraine.

      "Enemies are our best friends,
      They teach us wisdom.
      But I fear more than those
      Who torments me with caresses. "

      Between 1801 and 1816

      G. Derzhavin
  28. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 29 October 2018 14: 52
    +1
    The significant scientific and military-technical potential of the Soviet Union was concentrated here, which has already been largely lost. Nevertheless, there are areas that are still important for Russia.

    This is the development of heavy transport aircraft of the Ruslan type, the production of which has not been revived in Russia.

    They tried to revive the production of "Ruslan" since 2006, and with the help of the then "fraternal Ukraine". Didn't take off. ©
    The production of ship engines, which have just begun to develop and produce in Russia, which inhibits the launching of ships of the Russian Navy.

    After 2014 and in the presence of "Saturn", ordering a gas turbine engine in Ukraine seems extremely unlikely. And why feed your uncle if you have your own production? In pre-maid times, Saturn's plans for the localization of ship-borne gas turbine engines in the Russian Federation have already been pounded - we are still unraveling.
    The loss of the Nikolaev shipyard, the only one on which aircraft carriers were made, also does not contribute to strengthening the sea power of Russia.

    That shipyard and those personnel have been gone for a long time - only the skeletons of "goliaths" and dead workshops remained at the site of the shipyard. And so much has to be invested in the restoration of the plant that it is easier to modernize Sevmash.

    The only really valuable asset for the Russian Federation in Ukraine is Motor Sich. Alas, there is still no replacement for the Boguslaev engines - there are either few domestic ones, or none at all.
  29. Nait
    Nait 29 October 2018 15: 31
    +2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    I don’t know what to say ... in the Kremlin they rely on the young ones luring them with ideas of success, talent and other rubbish devoid of any ideology ... you will not go far from this.

    And what idea to propose in a capitalist society?
    Socialism has not rolled, and now it will not be possible to return to it.
    The idea of ​​restoring the union in some form is in the air.
    Here, young people can peck, but in order to do all this without revolution, you really need to raise the standard of living in Russia several times — then everyone else will catch up ....
    But how to do this if the government is afraid to invest in the real economy?
  30. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 29 October 2018 15: 53
    0
    Well, in general, good scripture, although it allows a somewhat free interpretation of Huntington, Byzantium, and the so-called

    Western civilization has put a lot of effort to destroy the Byzantine Empire and now makes the same effort to destroy its heir.


    Here I can say that during the time of the Eastern Roman Empire, Western civilization did not exist, as such, from the word at all, so seeing a conspiracy to destroy it is a fashionable tribute to conclusions in Ren TV style.

    An essential mark - the formation of modern Anglo-Saxon civilization and the success of its capitalist system, we can thank not Catholicism, but Protestant ethics, as Max Weber has well specified. See Die protestantische Ethik und der 'Geist' des Kapitalismus. (Protestant ethics and the spirit of capitalism).

    The formation of the United States as a power was obtained precisely thanks to an ethical system, and we will not say that the first settlers who were entrenched for a long time in America were followers of Cromuel. The formation of today's ideas of the United States, as an exceptional country with a higher truth, building the City of Truth and Justice on a hill is also very easy to trace precisely to the Protestant ethics and Cromuel.

    Regarding the importance of Ukraine for Russia and vice versa - I can’t say anything here, I’m just not a specialist and I don’t understand the problem that is far from my country.
  31. Yat
    Yat 29 October 2018 18: 22
    +1
    The article abounds with numerous historical distortions and ideological cliches.
    1. "Russia won in the confrontation with the West in 1917".
    Russia quite successfully opposed the West until 1917. And even periodically won.
    2. "Western civilization made a lot of efforts to destroy the Byzantine Empire."
    Hellish historical nonsense. Byzantium was destroyed not from the West, but from the East.
    3. "The invasion of the Tatars tore apart the Russian people."
    Firstly, there was no invasion of the Tatars. Secondly, the Russian people were torn between the specific principalities constantly fighting with each other even more than a century before the iconic 1242.
  32. akudr48
    akudr48 29 October 2018 20: 23
    0
    West seeks to tear Ukraine away from Russia by any means

    To open the most important topic for Russia with such a primitive interpretation (of which Washington is to blame) for really complex national, historical, political, technological and other factors, including personal ones, which means to close and drown it, leaving only one important, but clearly not decisive reason.

    Sorry
  33. Bare
    Bare 29 October 2018 21: 06
    0
    History is cyclical. What is currently happening is repeated once every hundred years, but of course with more blood. So the next period is Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation. It will not be otherwise. Moreover, future rulers of Ukraine will sign documents as in 1654.
    Supranational rulers will always lose, even knowing where the power of the Slavic world is hidden. It is impossible to change.
    Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people!
  34. nnz226
    nnz226 29 October 2018 22: 00
    0
    Neither the Nikolaev shipyards nor the Antonov design bureau are needed by Russia anymore due to their complete collapse, and it is impossible to restore these industries before Ukraine joins Russia in parts (without any autonomies and republics). In the meantime, everyone there will run wild and crawl to Moscow with a bare bottom (as it was in the 17th century after the period of ukrohistory called "Ruina"), then in Russia they will organize their own production. Ruin # 2 will drag on for decades if Russia does not follow Vietnam's example when it dealt with Pol Pot's regime in Kampuchea / Cambodia
  35. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 29 October 2018 22: 19
    0
    Is it important? Because Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Estonia, and ..., and ..., and ... - this is all Russia - OUR USSR!
  36. fif21
    fif21 29 October 2018 22: 33
    0
    You need to be prepared for the fact that when the neighbors will divide Ukraine, stake out a larger piece for yourself. And no more than the Ukrainian SSR, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Kharkov region as part of the Russian Federation.
    Fascists-Bandera to judge. hi
  37. pacific
    pacific 29 October 2018 23: 30
    +1
    the presence of strong state power and the will of elites and people to defend their national interests

    But what about the will of the elites? Is it because of almost all the internal problems of the Russian Federation that the elites and the people are opposed to each other.
    The farther, the closer I come to the conclusion that the nobles and their serfs were closer to each other than the current elites and the rest of the people.
  38. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 30 October 2018 10: 10
    0
    Yes, this Ukraine is not at all important for Russia! All this "importance" was invented by the "great geopolitician" Brzezinski, who betrayed that without Ukraine Russia would never be able to become an empire. And since then, crowds of "patriots" have been running around with this nonsense and repeating: Brzezinski said, Brzezinski said!
    But in Ukraine, only one thing is important for Russia: that it should stay away from it. And Russia will do the rest itself.
  39. Propaganda Department
    Propaganda Department 30 October 2018 21: 04
    0
    What does Ukraine mean for Russia? In historical terms, a lot. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities.

    And some Galicians-farmers took it away from us and unleashed a bloody massacre with the help of their owners from the State Department and Tel Aviv in the Donbas ..
    That's the whole layout! Kiev will have to be returned, this is unique. Alma-Ata we do not need, etc.
    And here is the matter of the principle of men! negative
  40. Allexxx
    Allexxx 2 November 2018 14: 53
    0
    For Russia, Siberia and the Far East are more important than Ukraine. This is where you need to focus your attention and efforts.