Sensation! Russians will appear in Russia!

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Incredibly, but a fact: Russia finally officially recognizes the existence of the Russian people. Or do not recognize. There are quite a few opponents of such an innovation, and so far their efforts to appease ethnic minorities have been successfully completed. Perhaps we rejoice early, and this time they will say their weighty word.





Before embarking on the main part of the conversation, I would like to make one small, but important clarification: however dubious such a situation may seem to us, in general, we are not talking about some kind of systematic discrimination against Russians. No, it would be much more accurate to say that they are simply not noticed. More precisely, they are noticed as citizens, as taxpayers (this is necessary), as military service, as voters ... But just as Russians are not in a hurry to notice them. They are not in a hurry to celebrate their contribution to the creation of a common state, their right to study national traditions, culture, and features. It just so happened that we even had almost no full-fledged Russian cuisine, except for such a salad “Olivier” and a cake “Napoleon”.

And this, you see, is somehow unfair. Well, really, why? We are kind and hardly deserve such indifference to ourselves!

It seems that something like this has begun to reach the Russian authorities. According to the newspaper Kommersant, the Presidential Council on Interethnic Relations should approve the new version of the Strategy of the state national policy. And in it the mention of the Russian people will finally appear, as well as recall the “state-forming role of the Russian people” and the “civilization cultural code”, which did not find a place in the previous edition of this document.

The Russian state was formed as a unity of nations, whose historical core was the Russian people as the system-forming core. The modern Russian society is united by a single cultural (civilizational) code based on the preservation and development of Russian culture and language, the historical and cultural heritage of all the peoples of Russia.


The Presidium of the Council has already reviewed and approved the new version of the document. Now it needs to be approved, so to speak, in a wide composition. And only after that it will be submitted for signature to the president, which should be the final point in the adoption of the document.

Perhaps not everyone understands why this question is so important. Moreover, many will say that he doesn’t have any value at all - you give a political nation, and this is quite enough. But there are, as they say, nuances ...

If the Russian people were not honored with references to the Constitution of Russia, then national minorities, having national-territorial formations on the territory of the Russian Federation, are not particularly embarrassed, and they write with pleasure in their regional constitutions. But the existence of Russians as an ethnocultural subject living in a certain territory is officially recognized only in four documents at the level of a regional constitution or charter of a region (territory). It would probably not be a problem if the federal legislation were somewhat clearer and more correct to the largest state-forming people of our country. But, as we see, the situation is beginning to change only now ...

Russian in Russia about 80%. Is it a lot? By the standards of Europe, Russia is generally considered a mono-ethnic country. But in the 1993 year, when the Yeltsin (acting) constitution was adopted on bayonets and blood, in which there was no place for mentioning the Russian people, 91% of the population considered themselves Russians in Russia. For twenty-five years, we have become less by 11 percent. points. Is there any connection? Let everyone decide for himself ...

Without going into the details of national and state construction, which have been going on for a quarter of a century, we note the main thing: any steps to normalize the legal field are welcome. Especially, if they relate to such complex issues as national ones.

Of course, the new version of the National Policy Strategy is not limited only to what restores historical justice, recognizing the role of the Russian people. It is a document of strategic planning in the field of national security and was developed, literally, “in order to ensure the interests of the state, society, man and citizen, and strengthen the state unity and integrity of the Russian Federation”.

... thus, national policy fits into the broader context of a country's national security.


Among the main security challenges, in particular, are:
the influence of international terrorism and extremism, the spread of radical ideas based on national and religious exclusivity ", the emergence of" hot spots as a result of the transfer to the territory of the country of the ideology of foreign regional conflicts.


Threats are also called
hyperbolization of regional interests and separatism, including through support from abroad ", illegal migration and the imperfection of the system of adaptation of migrants, the formation of closed ethnic enclaves, social and property inequality, regional economic differentiation, the consequences of interethnic conflicts and disputes in the regions of the Russian Federation, the outflow n population from the regions of the North Caucasus, Siberia and the Far East.


Compared with the first (current) edition of this Strategy, adopted in 2012, the new document, according to developers and experts, has become more compact, it takes better account of the changes taking place in society and in the world. Actualization also touched some recent historical milestones, in particular, the annexation of the Crimea.

A significant event for the development of interethnic relations and the strengthening of all-Russian civic identity was the reunification of the Crimea with Russia. The patriotic rise, along with the implementation of state national policy measures, the intensification of the participation of civil society structures in the harmonization of interethnic and interfaith relations, significantly reduced the risks and threats of interethnic conflicts.


Of course, one can argue about whether the risk of ethnic conflicts has really decreased, but the desire to emphasize the Russian identity of the Crimea can be called very commendable.

However, as they say, do not say "gop." The Federal Agency for Nationalities, which was engaged in the development of this document, stressed that this version of the document is not final, and it will be possible to analyze the document itself only after it is signed by the president.
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  1. +50
    27 October 2018 05: 53
    This is good of course, but why is the annexation of Crimea a significant event, and the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state for us and the fact that millions of Russians are Ukrainized there is nothing so mean?
    1. +20
      27 October 2018 06: 53
      Quote: Pessimist22
      and the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state to us and the fact that millions of Russians are Ukrainized there

      Because it began a long time ago and the annexation of Crimea has nothing to do with it.
      1. +67
        27 October 2018 07: 10
        In the rest of the world, all the inhabitants of Russia are considered Russians with which I agree, even though I am a Tatar myself. And about "Ukrainizing" or not, everyone must decide for himself who is comfortable, not to fight all the Ukrainians and tribalts ... But help to return to Russia wishing and considering themselves Russians, this is a holy, I believe, obligation of the Russian state, but for this the Government needs to work, and whether it wants for itself an additional burden and problem is a rhetorical question.
        1. -35
          27 October 2018 07: 26
          Quote: Tatar 174
          Russians in the rest of the world consider all the inhabitants of Russia

          And rightly so.

          Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc. Just like the civilization of the East are the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.

          If you scrape every Russian, it turns out that he is: a glade, a drevlyanin, etc.

          ps
          It would not be a bad idea for the author to start to define: what is a nation and who are Russians, otherwise each of us understands this in his own way.
          1. +20
            27 October 2018 07: 49
            Quote: Boris55
            It belongs to Russian civilization.

            And what is it?
            WHERE THE BORDERS this civilization?
            FROM WHERE Russians return when they move from Ukraine to the Russian Federation?
            Ukraine has long been Ceased to be a part of "Russian civilization" or was it never a part of it?
            1. +16
              27 October 2018 07: 52
              Quote: Hlavaty
              And what is it?

              First, give a definition: what is a nation and who are Russians. How do you understand that? Until we come to a consensus on this issue, we can immediately proceed to insults.

              For half of your questions, you will find the answer in the Stalinist definition of a nation.

              1. +16
                27 October 2018 08: 48
                But just like the Russians they are in no hurry to notice them.

                According to the 2010 census, about 112 million Russians live in Russia, which makes up about 80% of the country's total population. The famous Soviet anthropologist Viktor Bunak noted that although there is a share of Finno-Finnish, Baltic and Pontic ethnic groups in the genesis of the Russian people, it is still based on Slavic roots. According to the scientist, "the initial type of Slavs, which were part of the Russian population, developed at the junction of the Baltic and Neopontian anthropological zones." The conclusions of anthropologists as a whole are unambiguous: Russians are typical Caucasians by their racial origin. The common phrase "scratch the Russian - you will find a Tatar" is fundamentally incorrect. For example, one of the characteristic anthropological features of Russians is the almost complete absence of epicanthus. So, from among more than 8,5 thousand examined males, the epicanthus was found only 12 times, and in its infancy. The largest Russian resettlement clusters were distributed as follows: Moscow - 9 930 410, Moscow Region - 6 202 672, Krasnodar Territory - 4 522 962, St. Petersburg - 3 908 753, Rostov Region - 3 795 607. Doctor of Biological Sciences Elena Balanovskaya says: "That" the most valuable information about the Russian gene pool is stored only by the indigenous rural populations of the original area of ​​the Russian gene pool in Central Russia and the Russian North. " Another study of Russian scientists concerned surnames. They compiled lists of about 15 thousand surnames most often found among Russians, which they compared with data for the regions: North, Central, Central-West, Central-East and South. The result was unexpected. Kuban turned out to be originally Russian by its family name.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2018 09: 01
                  Quote: Z.O.V.
                  Moscow - 9 930 410, Moscow Region - 6 202 672, Krasnodar Territory - 4 522 962, St. Petersburg - 3 908 753, Rostov Region - 3 795 607.

                  Well, that’s where the borders of the Rus were defined ... And what about the rest?
                  Slop all this working to destroy the Russian civilization.

                  Russians are a civilizational concept. All residents of Russia who work for the benefit of our entire civilization for the benefit of everyone living in it, are Russian. All those who work only for the good of their kind (teip, tribe) cannot be considered as such.

                  For the preservation of Russian civilization, it is vital to pull everyone else up to a civilizational understanding of the unity of all those living in Russia.
                  1. +7
                    27 October 2018 10: 41
                    It was Russia. The inhabitants of Russia are Russian people. Russian is an adjective. Light brown is also an adjective. It is with adjectives that we describe what we see around. Here we are - Russians.
                    Russian is not a nationality in the modern understanding of which darkness has divorced, but in fact it is a question of nationalities, Russian is precisely belonging to civilization, which has been our Russian civilization for more than a thousand years.

                    I can recall that the names appeared not so long ago.
                    Many people now determine their nationality by surname. This is an artificial division. It is precisely the division of all Russians into "nationalities" - Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.
                    Moreover, earlier each had two names. Often a Russian person had one of the names as it were now said to be Tatar or Persian. And part of our country (HUGE) on the maps was called Tartaria.
                    Here it is Russia.

                    Even the communists recognized Russia. Remember:
                    - The Union of the indestructible republics of free united forever Great Russia.

                    The indestructible is over, but Russia remains !!!

                    And what is taught in schools now who knows?

                    We need to shamelessly restore the history of our country. Not communist, not Romanovskaya, not Yeltsin’s, not Putin’s, but the whole history of our Russian civilization.

                    Down and Out trouble started.

                    Otherwise, they will continue to destroy us Russians both in a civilized and spiritual and physical way.
                    1. -2
                      27 October 2018 13: 50
                      Otherwise, they will continue to destroy us Russians both in a civilized and spiritual and physical way.


                      Let us destroy ourselves. Instead of abolishing all "national" constitutions, republics, and districts, we are introducing another one. So then, do not forget to "allocate" the territory for the Russian people. And choose only Russians on it. What's next ? Russians serve in the Russian unit, Tatars in the Tatar unit, Chechens in the Chechen unit? Can you imagine the Constitution of the Tambov Region? And we can have the constitution of Mari El. We love to step on a rake. Slightly squeeze the economy and starve a little - will bring all this division into the light of day. We need to move to ensure that any person says proudly - "I am a Russian", and only then add - "Jewish Georgian from Penza" no less proudly.
                    2. -1
                      27 October 2018 19: 35
                      Borders please, so-called tartaria
                      1. 0
                        30 October 2018 03: 20
                        Quote: Syroitel_nik
                        Borders please, so-called tartaria

                        The border is where the fence is from a thorn, a control and track strip and border guards with dogs? Why do you need it?
                    3. +2
                      28 October 2018 22: 42
                      Quote: For example
                      Russian is an adjective ... We need to shamelessly restore ... the history of our Russian civilization.

                      Russians are a noun, not an adjective. You need to restore your vitality.
                      1. -3
                        28 October 2018 22: 48
                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        Russians are a noun, not an adjective

                        Reminded for some reason:

                        Quote: Denis Fonvizin, "Minor"
                        Pravdin. Door, for example, which name: noun or adjective? Mitrofan. Door? Which door? Pravdin. Kotor’s door! This one. Mitrofan. This? Adjective. Pravdin. Why so? Mitrofan. Because it is attached to its place. There’s a pole’s closet for a week, the door is still not hung: so far it is a noun ...
                      2. -1
                        29 October 2018 15: 24
                        The language dilemma. German is a noun; German is already an adjective, Russian is a noun, an adjective needs an additional noun .. For example: Russian kvass, separately Russian, as a person of Russian nationality. Basically a designation from the context of a sentence. Tom and powerful and wide ... It is possible to apply the old: Rusyns. or in the image: French, German, (German), so far farther Ross (Little Russia, Great Russia) ...
                      3. -3
                        29 October 2018 18: 09
                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        Russians are a noun, not an adjective.

                        Russians are precisely the adjective, attached to the noun "people", Russian people, the rest are not people, they are Germans, French, Chinese and other nouns, I repeat once again all nations "nouns" it turns out that they are not people at all - but this is their choice - to be non-human.
                    4. +2
                      29 October 2018 11: 31
                      Quote: For example
                      Russian - adjective

                      literally adjectives are the names of a bunch of nationalities: Deutsch (= Teutisch) - TeutonENGLISH; francois - frenchENGLISH, espanol - spanishENGLISH...
                  2. +1
                    28 October 2018 22: 30
                    No need to push ideological add-ons - Soviet, Russian, Russian civilization - to blur the basic - population, people, ethnic group.
                    Doctors chem. sciences, professor at Harvard University, DNA geneticist Anatoly Klyosov: “... the line from the Adriatic to the Baltic, dividing the East and West of Europe, is a kind of civilizational division of peoples. From our side, we fix an average of 50% R1a and 5% R1b (haplogroups), and from the opposite - 60% R1b and 5% R1a ... this status quo remains to this day .... Ethnic Russians are a family, a union of clans with a different history, different migration routes that converged on one territory ... Typical Russian in terms of DNA genealogy is 50% R1a, 15-17% I2a and 14% N1c1 ... I emphasize: Russian It is an alloy from different genera, but the Mongolian families are not there, the Tatar ones are minimized. No real Tatar will say that his native language is Russian. He respects and appreciates his language, his origin - and does the right thing ... "



                    Quote: Boris55
                    To preserve Russian civilization, it is vital to pull everyone else to a civilizational understanding of unity

                    Internationalism - inter - burial, English, well, that is naive.
                2. +2
                  29 October 2018 11: 08
                  Quote: Z.O.V.
                  The common phrase "scratch the Russian - you will find a Tatar" is fundamentally incorrect. For example, one of the characteristic anthropological features of Russians is the almost complete absence of epicanthus.

                  The humor is that for Kazan Tatars are also characterized by an almost complete absence of epicanthus - as well as the "Mongolian" haplotype C lol By the way, the author of this common phrase is Karamzin (a descendant of Genghis Khan, if that), so he said this personally about himself!
                3. 0
                  30 October 2018 12: 47
                  informative comment, thanks for the educational program.
              2. +11
                27 October 2018 10: 29
                Boris55 (Boris):
                For half of your questions, you will find the answer in the Stalinist definition of a nation.

                It seems that all the same it is worth dividing the nation and nationality. Is not it?
                And, here a reference to Comrade Stalin is not entirely appropriate, because it is not worth replacing concepts. Comrade Stalin placed the nation above all - the Soviet man, and not nationality. Although, according to the results of World War II, he noted in his speeches precisely the Russian people.
                And, it is better to turn to science: anthropology, ethnography / ethnology, DNA geneology, and of course, history.
                And it’s worth starting with the appearance of the Eastern Slavs ...
                1. +6
                  27 October 2018 10: 45
                  Here, for example, the appearance of the average Russian person in terms of anthropology:
                  1. +7
                    27 October 2018 10: 52
                    And further on.
                    Despite a number of morphological features characteristic of Russian people, scientists proposed a narrower classification and identified several groups among Russians, each of which has distinctive external features.
                    Characteristic types of appearance of Russian people
                    The first of these is the Nordids.

                    There are Baltids, Uralids, etc.
                    All this is very interesting. from the point of view of scienceexactly as a nationality.

                    Well, the unity of language, culture, etc. and is not discussed at all, because it is generally a civilizational axiom.
                    1. +6
                      27 October 2018 11: 30
                      Hooray, I’m Nordid, and not some Ashkenazi :-D That’s lucky, so lucky)
                    2. -11
                      27 October 2018 11: 45
                      Quote: Pax tecum
                      Characteristic types of appearance of Russian people

                      There are four races in the limit. Everything else is from the evil one. At sunrise (yellow sunrise) live yellow-faced. At sunset (sunset red) live the redskins. Well, in the North - pale-faced, and in the south - blacks. This is from God. Everything else is the notion of the parasites that we are all on. Divide, bleed and conquer - nothing new. hi
                      1. 0
                        29 October 2018 11: 12
                        Quote: Boris55
                        At sunrise (yellow sunrise) live yellow-faced. At sunset (sunset red) live the redskins

                        and it’s nothing that the Mongoloid in real life is not any yellower than the Caucasians, and the Amerindians are just dark-skinned (and the white-skinned were called the Beotuk tribe because of their war coloring)? Moreover, black Australoids are genetically the closest relatives of the Mongols, and did Hitler, Napoleon and Einstein have the same purely African haplotype as Obama?
                    3. 0
                      28 October 2018 17: 41
                      Quote: Pax tecum
                      And further on.
                      Despite a number of morphological features characteristic of Russian people, scientists proposed a narrower classification and identified several groups among Russians, each of which has distinctive external features.
                      Characteristic types of appearance of Russian people
                      The first of these is the Nordids.

                      There are Baltids, Uralids, etc.
                      All this is very interesting. from the point of view of scienceexactly as a nationality.

                      Well, the unity of language, culture, etc. and is not discussed at all, because it is generally a civilizational axiom.

                      Baltidka is cute! Do not give the phone? To strengthen the race, so to speak.
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                  2. 0
                    28 October 2018 10: 12
                    Alexander. Eco father, where he had enough. With such judgments, we get to talking about
                    right and wrong types of skulls.
                    1. 0
                      30 October 2018 03: 47
                      Quote: nikvic46
                      With such judgments, we get to talking about
                      right and wrong types of skulls.

                      And with which "such"?

                      It is certainly an abomination to talk about the "correctness" or "incorrectness" of skulls. But to deny racial differences is insane.
              3. -3
                27 October 2018 11: 45
                Quote: Boris55
                For half of your questions, you will find the answer in the Stalinist definition of a nation.

                Well, of course, a Georgian Jew knew everything about nations!
              4. +8
                27 October 2018 12: 09
                Quote: Boris55
                who are russian

                1. +16
                  27 October 2018 12: 29
                  Is it not that Anton Denikin, who did not accept Russia's choice, and defended his vision of Russia with weapons, killing compatriots, and then dumped him in London? Well, except that he did not suffocate with a scarf, and so is a typical Russian lover from London.
                  1. +11
                    27 October 2018 13: 15
                    Quote: Navigator Basov
                    Isn't that Anton Denikin

                    that one.
                    Quote: Navigator Basov
                    with arms defended his vision of Russia

                    people tend to make mistakes and then, he had his own concept of "Motherland", don't you exclude this?
                    We have ours, it has ours. Civil war is the worst action. For example, Bela Kun and Zemlyachka, take an interest in how they destroyed Russians in Crimea
                    1. +17
                      27 October 2018 15: 32
                      The Federal Agency for Nationalities, which was involved in the development of this document, emphasized that this version of the document is not final, and the document itself can only be analyzed after it is signed by the president.

                      I would like to note that "signed by the president" namely the president, who, in principle, is against the mention of Russians in the Constitution, in general.
                      Let me remind you that back in 2012, V. Putin spoke out against amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation on the “state-forming Russian people”. "Is it dangerous. We don’t need this, ”he said, responding in the State Duma to the question of the deputy from the Communist Party, film director Vladimir Bortko.
                      The amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, rejected by Putin, consisted in replacing the phrase "multinational people of the Russian Federation" with the phrase "Russian people and peoples of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on their land."

                      PS If we go to the heart of the matter. Small-minded people ask, "why is this amendment needed at all? What does it change?" The question is very stupid, since the Russian amendment fundamentally changes the constitutional and legal basis of the Russian state. The inclusion of the Russian amendment in the constitution means the official adoption by the state of the Russian Federation of the following provisions:
                      1. the state of the Russian Federation recognizes the existence of the Russian people, the Russian people appear subjectivity in the framework of the constitutional legal system of the Russian Federation;
                      2. the state of the Russian Federation recognizes that it is located on the lands of the Russian people;
                      3. the state of the Russian Federation postulates that the Russian people are the founders of the state of the Russian Federation, and therefore the Russian Federation undertakes to express the interests of the Russian people.
                      Vladimir Putin did not like these three points, he fundamentally disagrees with them. Remember this. Putin advocates maintaining the current version of the Russian constitution, which postulates exactly the opposite:
                      1. the state of the Russian Federation does NOT recognize the existence of the Russian people. That is, in the model of reality defined by the constitution and laws of the Russian Federation, the Russian people do not exist.
                      The remaining two points are trivial consequences of the first:
                      2. the state of the Russian Federation does NOT recognize that it is located on the lands of the Russian people, that is, the Russian Federation claims that the Russian people do not have their own land;
                      3. The state of the Russian Federation postulates that it bears absolutely no obligations to the Russian people.
                      With these three points, Vladimir Putin warmly agrees and he fully supports them. Remember this.
                      Now to the question about the diversity of the population of the Russian Federation on a national basis. Everyone knows that the so-called. "subjects of the federation" are subdivided into two sorts: the first grade is the regions with the official status of the state, the second grade is the usual regions and territories. Regions of the first grade are precisely states with all the attributes: a constitution, their own state languages, etc. These regions conclude with the Russian Federation interstate agreements on the "division of powers", etc.
                      The question is, why do these special regions exist, if in the Russian Federation, according to V. Putin, "all citizens are equal"? The answer is simple: Vladimir Putin is lying. All top-notch "subjects of the federation" are national states with a corresponding ethnos-"master": in Tatarstan they are Tatars, in Bashkiria they are Bashkirs, in Chechnya they are Chechens. We open the constitution of Tatarstan and see that they are not even trying to cover it up somehow: "This Constitution, expressing the will of the multinational people of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Tatar people ...". This is how the Tatars caught V.Putin outright lies.
                      Thus, we found out that citizens of the Russian Federation are divided into two grades: non-national simple-Russians and special multinational elite-Russians. Unlike ordinary Russians, the state of the Russian Federation recognizes the elite-Russians as having their own national identity, independent of the state of the Russian Federation. That is, the elite-rosiyan is not just a non-national holder of the passport of the Russian Federation, but also a Chechen, a Bashkir, a Tatar. In simple terms, at present, the Russian people do not have their own state, but the Chechens, Bashkirs and Tatars-have, the Russian Federation recognizes these states and concludes treaties and agreements with them.
                      Vladimir Putin officially acknowledged that this situation completely suits him and that he does not intend to change anything.
                      https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1298624/post216115849/
                    2. 0
                      28 October 2018 00: 07
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      For example, Bela Kun and Zemlyachka, take an interest in how they destroyed Russians in Crimea

                      And how?
                      1. -1
                        29 October 2018 11: 15
                        Quote: Claymore
                        And how?

                        tens of thousands. Drowned in the sea - to save ammo.
                      2. -1
                        29 October 2018 14: 05
                        Quote: Tutejszy
                        tens of thousands. Drowned in the sea - to save ammo.
                        In an alternative reality, it’s probably inadequate.

                        "Tens of thousands" - how much?
                      3. 0
                        29 October 2018 14: 55
                        According to official communist data, Bela Kun and Zemlyachka shot up to 50000 people in Crimea. According to unofficial sources, during the first winter, 96 thousand people out of 800 thousand of the Crimean population were shot.
                      4. 0
                        30 October 2018 01: 35
                        Quote: Tutejszy
                        According to official communist data
                        Will you give a link to the "official communist data"? lol

                        up to 50000 people. According to unofficial ones, during the first winter, 96 thousand people out of 800 thousand of the Crimean population were shot.
                        4.5 thousand to the whole Crimea.
                  2. +5
                    27 October 2018 22: 31
                    "Russia's Choice"? Are you seriously? Right now, with a blue eye, can you believe that the Rosenfelds, Bronsteins, Radomyslsky, Radeks who came to power were Russia's choice? And they did not spare their lives in order to make the Russian people happy? You can't be so naive at your age !!!
                    1. 0
                      6 November 2018 16: 08
                      Who is what, and the mummy Cossack is about the Jews.
                  3. 0
                    29 October 2018 11: 14
                    Quote: Navigator Basov
                    Is it not that Anton Denikin who did not accept Russia's choice and defended his vision of Russia with weapons

                    That one. As the son of a serf peasant, he had every right with arms to defend his vision of Russia from those who carried collective-farm slavery to the peasants!
              5. 0
                27 October 2018 19: 27
                The Stalinist definition added questions.
                Apparently, this definition does not fit "Russian civilization" or "Russian world". What is happening on the territory of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus does not fit the definition of "a stable community of people."
              6. +1
                29 October 2018 11: 04
                Quote: Boris55
                For half of your questions, you will find the answer in the Stalinist definition of a nation.

                You still quote the definition of Marx! According to Marx. Jews are not a nation, because during the lifetime of Marx, they did not have a unity of language and territory!
          2. +19
            27 October 2018 09: 01
            Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. - Boris55 (Boris)

            You are not right!
            It is necessary to understand the word "Russians" in two meanings. In narrow, as the largest nationality of people living in Russia, by blood and kinship. And in a broad sense, as belonging to people of any nationality living in the Russian community, in the Russian world, in Russia.
            I.V. Stalin, calling himself a Russian, understood himself in the broad sense of the word Russian.
            The fact that the Russian Constitution, written at the request of the Americans and adopted without proper discussion among the people of Russia, does not mention Russian nationality as the largest, state-forming nation, the misfortune of the entire Russian world, weakening not only Russia but the entire Russian world .
            The purpose of this non-mention in the Basic Law of Russia of Russian nationality is to reduce the role of Russians, weaken and blur them by ethnic minorities, and ultimately destroy Russia and the Russian world.
            1. -3
              27 October 2018 09: 11
              Quote: vladimirZ
              You are not right!

              A narrow, broad understanding is nothing but the first step of an overtone window. They want to disconnect and oppose us so that we, as in Ukraine, begin to kill each other. That we ourselves would destroy ourselves. Their strikes are directed according to the following Stalinist definition of a nation (see. Fig. Above):

              1) Language. What is happening to him on our territory? Recently, there was an article at the VO that some officials from some republics proposed to almost completely abandon it. In our schools, the hours allotted to study the Russian language are equal to the hours allotted to study a foreign language, and if two foreign students teach at once, then Russian is not visible at all ...

              2) Territory. With the collapse of the USSR, the territory of Russia was divided into 24 republics, autonomy, etc.

              3) General management. Recently, at VO, the young lady of the minister was discussed "unsuccessfully" in terms of the amount of money to feed the citizens ... Do we have their own ministries in every region? And how long to wait for the newly minted presidents? Are the 90s coming back?

              4-5) Culture. In every possible way, the identity of the people is cultivated, but so far not opposed to other cultures.

              Below parusnik mentioned the proclamation of independence of the RSFSR - in fact, the collapse of the USSR was announced. Now they are trying to separate the Russians into a separate nation, and then proclaim its independence and, as a result, the destruction of Russia?
              1. +17
                27 October 2018 09: 34
                They want to disconnect and oppose us so that we, as in Ukraine, begin to kill each other. That we ourselves would destroy ourselves. - Boris55 (Boris)

                The concept of Russian nationality has existed for more than a thousand years. It is historically assigned to the Russian people, and it is not for us to break it!
                In Russia, more than 80% of Russians by blood and kinship, which are the backbone of both Russia and the Russian world.
                The smaller nationalities living in the Russian world and Russia, inevitably for centuries entered into Russian culture and communication, adopting the lifestyle of the Russian people, becoming close to the Russian, and considering themselves Russian in spirit and thoughts, while remaining their ethnic nationalities.
                This objective historical process has shaped the current Russian world, where two concepts of Russians have developed: by blood and kinship, and by belonging to the Russian world. And do not break it.
                Such a notion of Russians in no way leads to the separation and opposition of Russians and other smaller nations of Russia.
                On the contrary, it strengthens, cementes the Russian world, Russia, as a single multinational state, where small nationalities develop and flourish under the protection of the large Russian people.
                There will be no Russian people, as the main, state-forming in Russia, there will be no Russia, it will fall apart into dozens of warring states, where there will never be peace and tranquility. An example of this is the post-Soviet state republics of the USSR.
                1. -5
                  27 October 2018 09: 41
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  The concept of Russian nationality has existed for more than a thousand years.

                  Are you sure about that?
                  Below I laid out old maps with the residence of different ethnic groups. Can you imagine what will happen if each of us remembers his blood?

                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  And do not break it.

                  I’m talking about this. It is necessary to pull up the rest to their level, and not to fence themselves off from them, otherwise it will be like then - the RSFSR separated and the USSR did not become.
                  1. +14
                    27 October 2018 09: 54
                    It is necessary to pull up the rest to their level, and not to fence themselves off from them, otherwise it will be like then - the RSFSR separated and the USSR did not become. - Boris55 (Boris)

                    How to pull up on what parameters? By culture and development, incomes and wealth, both in the USSR and in present-day Russia, small nationalities are not lower than Russians, and some even surpass them.
                    In terms of the number of people, it is an objective process that is difficult to influence by ordinary means. Although there are examples of a sharp increase in the number of small people - Chechens, in Russia there is something that is influenced by both religion and the "golden rain" of finances pouring on them from Moscow, which can be viewed as a certain corrupting vicious "tribute" causing instability in other nationalities. regions and the Kremlin's wrong national policy.
                    1. -11
                      27 October 2018 11: 36
                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      How to pull up on what parameters?

                      As soon as you answer the question: “Who are the Russians?”, As soon as you understand how the Krivichi and Vyatichi became Russian, you will understand what parameters should be used to improve the rest.
                      1. +2
                        28 October 2018 20: 44
                        Quote: Boris55
                        As soon as you answer the question: “Who are the Russians?”, As soon as you understand how the Krivichi and Vyatichi became Russian, you will understand what parameters should be used to improve the rest.

                        Do not confuse tribes with nationality! Slavic tribes became Russians (originally Rusichs) after unification into a single state.
                  2. +1
                    28 October 2018 20: 40
                    Below I laid out old maps with the residence of different ethnic groups. Can you imagine what will happen if each of us remembers his blood?

                    Yes, it’s better not to remember Vanka-kinship and to continue to be so!
                2. +1
                  27 October 2018 12: 54
                  The very concept of nationality generally exists for a century and a half, only since the time when universal censuses were conducted. What are you talking about, my dear man? If you are a nationalist, try to express your position even without gross factual errors.
              2. +6
                27 October 2018 12: 40
                Quote: Boris55
                We have that in each region have their own ministries?
                How would they not only now appear, they always were. Not only in the republics, but also in the regions there are governments (these are ministers with ministries) and chairmen of governments (governors). What moon did you fall from?
                Quote: Boris55
                And how long should the newly minted presidents wait? 90's coming back?
                But this is not necessary, do not distort here (distort in another place). Just the presidents of the republics that are part of the Russian Federation have already been transformed into heads of republics. The process of strengthening the federation has been going on for the whole time, in 2007 and 2012, like new federal treaties were signed and other decisions were made in this direction. Not so long ago there was one region with special conditions of a federal treaty - Tatarstan. Putin refused to renew or sign a special federal treaty with Tatarstan, only a model one like everyone else, where, in particular, instead of the president of the republic, the head of the republic should already be. I really don’t know at what stage this process is now, I was not interested.
                1. +2
                  28 October 2018 11: 11
                  Now there is not something that is standard, there are no agreements on the delimitation of powers, this practice has been stopped.
                  1. 0
                    6 November 2018 16: 21
                    That is, the Russian Federation is no longer a federation, but a unitary republic? Where did you get all this from? Well, by golly, read at least what you write.
              3. +2
                27 October 2018 23: 01
                Boris55, I completely agree with you, the modern constitution of the Russian Federation is outdated and its revision is required. The creation of a new constitution requires the creation of a constitutional commission. The new constitution should not divide citizens of the Russian Federation, but unite. Painstaking work is needed to adopt an administrative structure, it may be back to dividing into provinces and counties, as it was in the Republic of Ingushetia, and it may even return the name of our state to the Russian Empire.
              4. +4
                28 October 2018 20: 35
                All that you wrote is certainly correct, but when you find yourself in Makhachkala, they will immediately remind you that this is the land of Dagestanis. The Tatars are in Kazan, the Bashkirs are in Ufa, but if a mountain resident declares that it is his land to you in Moscow or Smolensk, you won’t be able to refute it, since a territory that does not have a nationality by law becomes common, which means Russians become something, in the role of gypsies, a people without their own land, without their own history, without clan and without tribe, because there is only a common history, common territory, common citizenship. Russian does not exist, there is Russian Uzbek, Russian Tatar, Russian Yakut, but Russian Russian is something from the field of rootless homeless people.
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          3. +15
            27 October 2018 09: 20
            Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc.
            That's just how they ceased to divide into Germans, French, etc. The destruction of European culture began, on the contrary, Arabization and Islamization of Europe are in full swing, and it is not a matter of refugees, or rather, not so much in refugees, as in the denationalization of European peoples.
            We must not forget our roots and our culture and our language, we must hold on to them, otherwise we will dissolve among other peoples, and there will be no strong Russian people, nor will Russia, all the local kings will be stolen by inheritance.
            1. -12
              27 October 2018 09: 29
              Quote: Vadmir
              You can’t forget your roots and your culture and your language, you need to hold on to them otherwise dissolve among other nations,

              It is necessary to raise the understanding of all peoples living on the territory of Russia to a general civilizational one. Russia is an example of the life of the device and the relationship of people on the entire planet Earth of the future. The separation of nations into small groups is a past that allows parasites to divide and rule.
              1. +16
                27 October 2018 10: 28
                Quote: Boris55
                The separation of nations into small groups is a past that allows parasites to divide and rule.
                Reply

                Don't touch the originality of people, their culture and traditions! There is no need to get into religious issues and heap everything to reinvent the wheel. We have already tried to make from the Russian people some kind of amorphous mass without faith, traditions, culture and a completely dark slave history! As a result, people even forgot how to sing and dance in Russian on holidays. Well, if they sing, something good is like "Well, someone came down from the hill ... And even then, less and less. Say a trifle? No, the identity of a people can not be a trifle! The deeper the roots, the higher the tree.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2018 17: 38
                  Oh how annoying is the mention of the Russian people!
                  It’s not a task, how Russians are remembered so wait somewhere for mischief such as war — you have to drag the war here and remember the Russians. An example of the above B.I. Stalin's bail.
                  Such traditions can be traced.
            2. +9
              27 October 2018 12: 10
              Quote: Vadmir
              That's just how they ceased to divide into Germans, French

              the creation of the EU has accelerated this process. In this regard, the position of Poland is worthy of respect - not any Arabs
            3. +5
              27 October 2018 12: 58
              They did not cease to be divided into Germans and French, the roots of today's process of Arabization in another - multiculturalism, as an extreme manifestation of liberalism.
          4. +7
            27 October 2018 09: 31
            Boris55 (Boris)
            Russian is not a nationality.

            fool What KOBA brings to stop
            1. -8
              27 October 2018 09: 34
              Quote: populist
              Russian is not a nationality

              Is a European a nationality? laughing
              Now look at the cards:




              Do you yourself remember your tribe?
              1. +8
                27 October 2018 09: 42

                Boris55 (Boris)
                Is a European a nationality? laughing

                Do not confuse civilization and the nation (people).
                There is still European civilization and dozens of European nations.
                1. -6
                  27 October 2018 09: 52
                  Quote: populist
                  There is still European civilization and dozens of European nations.

                  In the world there are three formed, on different principles, civilizations. The difference between civilizations lies in the culture:

                  - Is the culture of Russia similar to the culture of the West and East? Not.
                  Different peoples united in one state.

                  - Is the culture of Europe similar to the culture of Russia and the East? Not.
                  Different states united under one principle.

                  - Is the culture of the East similar to the culture of Russia and the West? Not.
                  Different states without a single management.
              2. +12
                27 October 2018 09: 54
                Boris55 (Boris)
                Do you yourself remember your tribe?

                My tribe, people, nation is one thing - the Russian self. good
                1. -4
                  27 October 2018 09: 56
                  Quote: populist
                  My tribe, people, nation is one thing - the Russian self.

                  And it is right. We have the future of the whole planet.
                  1. +18
                    27 October 2018 10: 58
                    Quote: Boris55
                    And it is right. The future of the whole planet is ours

                    Who are you, United Russia members without nationalities? Supporters of globalism? We don't need your multicultural France or anything like that. The "mask" flies, then Boris, flies ... Yes
                    1. -13
                      27 October 2018 11: 10
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Who are you, United Russia members without nationalities?

                      I am a Bolshevik.

                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Proponents of globalism?

                      Globalization is the most effective way of managing and the beginning of this process was laid by Adam and Eve - one got food, the other kept a hearth.

                      Globalization is an objective process, but who will lead it is an open question. Globalization according to the Western version has failed. Russia offers other ways. The world agrees with us.

                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Flies "mask" then Boris, flies.

                      Leave your fantasies to yourself. I have never hidden my beliefs. For me, the interests of the majority are above the interests of the minority.
                      1. +12
                        27 October 2018 11: 34
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I am a Bolshevik

                        Who cares?! So write this in the column of nationality, and there is nothing to speak for Russian.
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Globalization is the most effective way of managing and the beginning of this process was laid by Adam and Eve - one got food, the other kept a hearth.

                        Globalization is an objective process, but who will lead it is an open question. Globalization according to the Western version has failed. Russia offers other ways. The world agrees with us.

                        Soros is your relative and soul mateapparently ...
                        I say, the mask has flown ... Yes
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I have never hidden my beliefs. For me, the interests of the majority are above the interests of the minority.

                        Actually, postscript. lol request
                      2. +6
                        27 October 2018 21: 09
                        Nick, Boris55, well, the Bolshevik, that is, who? That's right, Jew. You see how the anus is tearing so that the Russians don’t have the notion, it turns out that the Bolshevik comrades can be pushed into the far corner, like, Birobidzhan, the number didn’t slip with the Crimea !!!
                      3. +3
                        28 October 2018 20: 59
                        Who cares?! So write this in the column of nationality, and there is nothing to speak for Russian.

                        +100500 good
                2. 0
                  27 October 2018 23: 21
                  My tribe, people, nation is one thing - the Russian self.

                  Now there are many who beat their hoof in the chest and shout: "We are Lussians!"
          5. +16
            27 October 2018 09: 55
            Quote: Boris55
            Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc. Just like the civilization of the East are the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.

            If you scrape every Russian, it turns out that he is: a glade, a drevlyanin, etc.

            ps
            It would not be a bad idea for the author to start to define: what is a nation and who are Russians, otherwise each of us understands this in his own way.

            Oh how !!! Can you imagine what you wrote ?! So I'm Russian, and my friend is Chechen - we are both citizens of Russia, but he has a nationality, but I don’t ??? Or rather, I have to determine my nationality by conducting a historical study and understand in which territory more of my ancestors lived and who they were - Krivichi, Vyatichi, Polyana, Drevlyans ... ??? Let it be known to you that in this case there are no French! Any Frenchman, if you scrape him, as you put it, will turn out to be a bit of a gall, a German, a Frank, a Norman, a Burgundian ... and now she is generally possibly more an Arab! And how do you think the French are, and Russian is not a nationality at all !!! What is the Russian people? I’ll explain it to you very simply. Let it be known to you that the term Rus appears in many sources, even the primary sources, completely unquestioned, have been preserved long before the beginning of the Novgorod rule of Rurik! Moreover, such an interesting detail - the difference between the Rus and the Slavs was determined and even emphasized by chroniclers at the time of the Prophet Oleg. But this is not for us to understand. Another interesting thing - according to many researchers of Kievan Rus (the term itself appeared at the end of the 18th and beginning of the 19th century, as a designation of temporary historical frameworks), a state called Russian preceded it and there were also a lot of indirect and direct historical evidence. Historians, researchers, writers and publicists center the Russian state (Russian Kaganate, Alan Rus on the Don ...) define the upper reaches of the Don, Northern Donets with borders outlined by the Sea of ​​Azov in the southeast, from the west by the Dnieper. Rus root is of Indo-European origin and means light, white. The river North Donets itself was simply called Rus by the Arabs. There is other evidence. Strengthening of the Slavs from the 5th to 8th centuries leads to the formation of statehood with centers in Kiev and Novgorod, and both of them bear the term Rus. In Byzantium, the most advanced and developed glades and Slavs were called dews and russians. The history of the origin of our people is inextricably linked with Ukrainians and Belarusians, who actually do not differ from the Russians! Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians are the Russian people. The Russian people do not need to determine their contribution to the creation of the Russian state as it created it! The Russian people are state-forming people! Can there be Russia without Russians! An attempt to start a discussion on the question of what a nation is and who the Russians are from the evil one! Well, let's talk in this context, who are the Jews and who are the actual Chukchi or Tatars ?! What difference does it make to us, as our fellow citizens are called abroad ?! Tatars and Chechens called Russian? Well and good! Do they perceive this normally? Also good! What's the question?! Foreigners simply also understand that the Russian people created Russia and is state-forming! For them it is natural, but questions arise for you ... Strange thing!
            1. -16
              27 October 2018 11: 55
              Quote: Detective
              So I'm Russian, and my friend is Chechen - we are both citizens of Russia, but he has a nationality, but I don’t ???

              Quote: Detective
              and to understand in what territory more of my ancestors lived and who they were - Krivichi, Vyatichi, Polyana, Drevlyans ... ???

              Exactly so, Russians - Russes - this is not a nation, it is a race, like blacks, a yellow or red race. The names of the races are the color of the races.
              1. +11
                27 October 2018 12: 01
                Quote: Setrac
                Exactly so, Russians - Russes - this is not a nation, it is a race, like blacks, a yellow or red race. The names of the races are the color of the races.

                Mdaaaa ... And white Americans are also Russian by race ?!
                1. -11
                  27 October 2018 12: 11
                  Quote: Detective
                  Mdaaaa ... And white Americans are also Russian by race ?!

                  And you find the "white" Americans - they are all descendants of emigrants from Russia, Germany, Poland. I repeat once again - there is no "white" race, there are Rus from the color - light brown.
                  If there was a "white" race - she would have white hair
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2018 12: 53
                    Thank you very much. I have no more questions.
                  2. -3
                    27 October 2018 13: 07
                    Ring, my dear! But the words race and dew, which falls on the grass, of one semantic meaning! One root. Designates bright and clean! Like tears of an angel, sometimes they say.
                    1. -6
                      27 October 2018 13: 43
                      Quote: sib.ataman
                      But the words race and dew, which falls on the grass, of one semantic meaning!

                      Dew, race, channel, mermaid - all this is connected with water, Russians are river inhabitants.
                  3. 0
                    28 October 2018 10: 17
                    Deuce!
                    The Americans moved to America from, first of all, England, then - some European countries, from Africa, and only then, in extremely limited numbers - from Russia. Do not disgrace, do not write here anymore ...
                    1. +1
                      28 October 2018 11: 28
                      Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
                      Do not disgrace, do not write here anymore ...

                      I will not be dishonored ...
                      Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
                      Americans moved to America from, first of all, England

                      First of all, from Spain, then from Portugal, and only then from England, France, Ireland, Germany, Russia and so on and so forth ...
                      So do not disgrace
                      Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
                      Deuce!
                    2. +1
                      28 October 2018 19: 05
                      Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
                      Americans moved to America from, first of all, England

                      And I thought from Spain. belay
                    3. -1
                      29 October 2018 17: 20
                      Felix. You are a sweetheart, too, do not lie. the first to arrive on the conquest were the Spaniards and the Portuguese, followed by the French. the Dutch, the last since the end of the 17th century, the British began to capture North America. Let us recall the French-English relations and wars in the 18th century in North America ... There were no migrations from Russia to America, they began in the 2nd half of the 19th century. Basically sent Jews, Poles and other nat. minorities, Russians were almost nonexistent. Russians began to arrive after the 1917 revolution ...
              2. +6
                27 October 2018 13: 18
                This is the limit. Just a liar .jpg
                1. -4
                  27 October 2018 13: 44
                  Quote: Navigator Basov
                  This is the limit. Just a face.

                  If there is nothing to say, it’s better to keep silent - you’ll get off smart, all one is better than posting stupid demotivators.
                  In essence, you have nothing to argue!
              3. -1
                28 October 2018 18: 34
                Quote: Setrac
                Rus is not a nation, it is a race, like blacks, a yellow or red race. The names of the races are the color of the races.

                I wonder who throws me cons? When will the administration already make it clear who exactly voted for?
          6. +14
            27 October 2018 10: 52
            Quote: Boris55
            Russian is not a nationality.

            It seems that people like you do not have a nationality, and you probably belong to a special ethnic group of the newly formed - "United Russia". But we have a nationality, and we do not belong to parties.
          7. -2
            27 October 2018 12: 02
            Quote: Boris55
            ps
            It would not be a bad idea for the author to start to define: what is a nation and who are Russians, otherwise each of us understands this in his own way.


            An amazing thing ... You had 7 minuses ... I, in fact, was surprised at this - for what? Well, I set a plus ... And then 9 minuses appeared immediately ...
            A strange calculator of some kind .... request
            And - again - I don’t understand: why so viciously minus this comment?
            1. +7
              27 October 2018 13: 24
              Nothing strange, just when loading the page there were 7 minuses, and before adding a point, someone put three more minuses. Points are not updated in real time.
              1. -1
                27 October 2018 14: 35
                Quote: Navigator Basov
                Nothing strange, just when loading the page there were 7 minuses, and before adding a point, someone put three more minuses. Points are not updated in real time.


                Thank... hi
          8. -7
            27 October 2018 13: 09
            Each time raising a national question, it is necessary to know who is raising it and why. Video in the topic:

            1. +10
              27 October 2018 19: 35
              Quote: Boris55
              you need to know who raises it

              -------------------------
              It’s good that you referred to your idol. Recently, he has been making mistakes of Brezhnev, Gobachev and Yeltsin at the same time.
              1) As a conditional Brezhnev, he is greedy for flattery and surrounded himself with potential traitors. Moreover, the ultraliberal traitors, Brezhnev had simply "social democrats". And these traitors have already prepared the ground for a coup d'état. If the disgruntled people sweep away the GDP, then the next in line for power is a certain Medvedev and the Kudrinsko-Siluanov team, which will seize power with all that it implies.
              2) As a conditional Gorbachev, he fails external positions to his dear partners, who are not embarrassed by non-observance of any previous conventions, because Russia is not the USSR with the Warsaw Pact. He paved the way for the country's disintegration with his "popular" reforms.
              3) As conditional Yeltsin, he returned the 90s in one fell swoop. And I asked to treat this with understanding.
              In general, such dangers await us and the "multi-pass" forms already some kind of zungzwang.
          9. +8
            27 October 2018 16: 40
            Quote: Boris55
            Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc. Just like the civilization of the East are the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.

            -----------------------
            Boris, we are talking about ethnicity, not mentality. And it is necessary to preserve the ethnically Russian population of the territories, and not to talk about "civilizations" here, otherwise you will not notice how "civilizations" that were previously uncharacteristic for our area with a peculiar speech and habits will stake out here. Our own population has not yet fully passed from a rural to an urban state, but we are already coming from auls and kishlaks, and on the way from huts and bungalows.
            1. -11
              27 October 2018 18: 15
              Quote: Altona
              And it is necessary to preserve the ethnically Russian population of the territories

              Is this an attempt to drive us into the borders of the Moscow principality? laughing

              Here is such an interesting map on the internet. I do not quite agree with her, in fact, there are fewer ethnically Russian territories, but to indicate what you are calling for, it will go:



              Quote: Altona
              otherwise you will not notice how "civilizations" are staked out here, previously uncharacteristic for our area

              From what we say in our passport will return the column nationality, the problem identified by you, it will not solve.

              As soon as the issue of nationality is resolved, the question of the nation will immediately arise ... This is a dangerous path leading to the destruction of Russia. There are many of us, about 80%. I do not want to wake up once, 70% of Russians were not citizens in the area where they lived for centuries.
              1. +8
                27 October 2018 18: 54
                Quote: Boris55
                Here is such an interesting map on the internet. I do not quite agree with her, in fact, there are fewer ethnically Russian territories, but to indicate what you are calling for, it will go:

                ----------------------------------
                That is, calling for the preservation of the indigenous population is bad? Do you need new "Varangians", new "Khazars", new "Polovtsy" and in general something like a migrant boom in Europe? Why are you turning your stupid expansion cards here and talking about the wrong thing? You seem to be such another fighter against "Russian nationalism" as you misunderstand it. About nationalities. The "wise" policy of your "wisest" has already turned the North Caucasus into mono-ethnic regions, where there is almost no Russian population. How and why will you return it there? As for the column "nationality", then this column will be entered there without the participation of the federal center, if the local princes need it so much. One blow with a template die and that's it.
                1. -1
                  27 October 2018 19: 20
                  Quote: Altona
                  That is, to call for the preservation of the indigenous population is bad?

                  In Russia, there is only one indigenous people - Russians, the rest are newcomers, in the camps of primitive people there is only Russian genetics, no Mongoloids, Celts and others.
                  1. -1
                    28 October 2018 18: 15
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Quote: Altona
                    That is, to call for the preservation of the indigenous population is bad?

                    In Russia, there is only one indigenous people - Russians, the rest are newcomers, in the camps of primitive people there is only Russian genetics, no Mongoloids, Celts and others.

                    For those on an armored train. Likbez. Briefly. The Slavs went down from the south of the Baltic Sea (Germany) and later east. When they came to us, it was not lifeless territory, but inhabited by local tribes - the Balts, Turks, Ugric peoples. This whole mixture then became Russian. Is it clear now?
                    1. +1
                      28 October 2018 18: 24
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      The Slavs went down from the south of the Baltic Sea (Germany) and later east.

                      These are all inventions of German Russophobic historians.
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      When they came to us, it was not lifeless territory, but inhabited by local tribes - the Balts, Turks, Ugric peoples.

                      I repeat for those who are in the tank - the first people throughout Russia were the Indo-Aryans - this is confirmed by paleogenetics. So there are no Balts, Ugric, Celts, Mongoloids. All that is written about the conquest of Siberia and the Far East is an invention of Soviet historians.
                      There are no indigenous peoples in Russia except Russian; there are small peoples who, with the light hand of the Jewish Communists, have become indigenous.
                      For example - before the war there was German autonomy - also "indigenous" people of Russia, there is Jewish autonomy - also "indigenous" people of Russia, all indigenous except Russians. The rest of the "indigenous" peoples became "indigenous" just like the Germans and Jews.
                    2. +2
                      29 October 2018 11: 27
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      When they came to us, it was not lifeless territory, but inhabited by local tribes - the Balts, Turks, Ugric peoples.

                      This territory was inhabited by Slavic-Baltic tribes (Fatyanovo culture) since time immemorial. Then, from the east, Ugro-Finns (Gorodets and Ljakovo cultures) were poured in and the Slavic-Baltes were partially genocidal and partly pushed to the west. But then the Slavs returned - and returned their ...
                2. -5
                  28 October 2018 07: 45
                  Quote: Altona
                  That is, to call for the preservation of the indigenous population is bad?

                  Are you aware that all of Siberia (and not only it) was annexed? There is no Russian indigenous population. Are you insisting on the liberation of all of Siberia from Russians for the "indigenous population" of Western investors?

                  Quote: Altona
                  The "wise" policy of your "wisest" has already turned the North Caucasus into mono-ethnic regions, where there is almost no Russian population.

                  The war in the Caucasus was not unleashed by Putin, but by Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Putin finished it.

                  Again.
                  As soon as the state forming the structure of the RSFSR withdrew from the USSR, the USSR ceased to exist. As soon as the state that forms the Russian Russians determines their nationality, the question will arise about the nation and the borders of residence ... As the hunchback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go so that whoever stops him.

                  If there is a desire to indicate nationality, then this should be single federal law for all nationalities, let’s say such as I indicated in the previous comment - enter the column of nationality in the passport. Everything!

                  ps
                  Judging by how many cons I crammed, the people have a great sense of national pride. That's not bad. I am the same Russian and proud of it. The bad thing is that someone very skillfully manipulates these feelings. Do not get fooled by emotions.
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2018 11: 32
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Are you aware that all of Siberia (and not only it) was annexed?

                    Who told you about this? Paleogenetics claims the opposite - all of Siberia - the zone of settlement of Indo-Arians and Indo-Arians in Russia are Russians. In Russia, one indigenous people are Russians.
                  2. +4
                    28 October 2018 11: 34
                    Russians have lived in Siberia for centuries, they make up the vast majority of the population there, and absolutely dominate in large cities. Now a really large part of Siberia belongs to ethnic Russian territories.
                    1. -5
                      28 October 2018 12: 22
                      Quote: Setrac
                      all of Siberia ... it's Russian.
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      Russians in Siberia live for centuries

                      I wonder who Ermak won? laughing

                      For your information:

                      " The annexation of Siberia (The Conquest of Siberia) is a historical process of the inclusion of Siberia and the Far East into the Russian (Russian) state from the second half of the 16th to the beginning of the 20th century. It is traditionally considered the campaign of Ermak against the Siberian Khanate begun in 1580. The annexation of Siberia and the Far East against Russia met resistance of local residents and occurred amid fierce battles of indigenous peoples with Russian Cossackswho often committed cruelty towards indigenous peoples ".

                      1. -1
                        28 October 2018 18: 27
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I wonder who Ermak won?

                        The same Russian as himself.
                        And the picture is nothing like that - did you drive yourself into the past to take a picture?
                        If not, then why are you making us a hunchback?
                      2. 0
                        1 November 2018 03: 34
                        In general, with what you said on the subject, I agree 80-90% percent. There are nuances, but not about that now.
                        The story, the real story, was completely different. Not like we are taught in schools and universities.
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I wonder who Ermak won?

                        It is more interesting to ask another question - what was then called Siberia?

                        If at the end of the 16th century Ermak already conquered Siberia, then why did the map of Russian Muscovy under Peter I, and this is the beginning of the 18th century, go east only to the Urals? By the way, pay attention to where Novgorod is located. More precisely, how many are there, and why is it not the one that we know more coarsely drawn.



                        Why, if Siberia from the conquests of Yermak is already ours, so many defense lines were built in the 16-19 centuries? Against who?



                        The numbers in the circles indicate:

                        1 - the fortified line Pskov — Smolensk — Bryansk (1706-1708);
                        2 - Great serif line (1551-1556 gg.);
                        3 - Belgorod line (1636-1640);
                        4 - Simbirsk line (1648-1654);
                        5 - Syzran line;
                        6 - Ukrainian line (1731-1735 gg.);
                        7 - New Ukrainian (Dnieper) line (1770);
                        8 - Tsaritsyn line (1718-1823);
                        9 - Black Sea (coastal) line (1837-1839);
                        10 - Black Sea (cordon) line (1792);
                        11 - Kuban line (1794);
                        12 - Azov-Mozdok line (1777-1780);
                        13 - Mozdok line (1763);
                        14 - Sunzhenskaya line (1817);
                        15 - Lezginskaya line (1830);
                        16 - Labinskaya line (1840);
                        17 - Urup line (1830);
                        18 - Belorechenskaya line (1860);
                        19 - Old Zakamskaya line (1652-1656gg.);
                        20 - New Zakamskaya line (1731-1736);
                        21 - Samara line (1736-1742);
                        22 - Sakmara distance (1739-1742);
                        23 - Orenburg (Lower and Upper Yaitsky) line (1739);
                        24 - Novo-Iletskaya line (1810-1822);
                        25 - Uyskaya line (Upper and Lower) (1739);
                        26 - Iset line (1683);
                        27 - Yekaterinburg line (1739);
                        28 - New line (1835-1837);
                        29 - Tobolo-Ishim line;
                        30 - Old Ishim Line (1737);
                        31 - Irtysh line (1745-1750);
                        32 - Kolyvano-Kuznetsk line (1747-1768);
                        33 - New Siberian line (1847-1854);
                        34 - Kokand line (1864);
                        35 - Syrdarya line (1853-1864);
                        36 - Emba line (1826);
                        37 - Akmolinsk-Kokchetav line (1837)

                        Source: "Petersburg and other new Russian cities of the 1995th - first half of the XNUMXth centuries" from the series "Russian urban art" edited by N.F. Gulyanitsky, Moscow, Stroyizdat, XNUMX

                        Moreover, these lines of defense were very serious fortifications. From many there is nothing left, but some can still be seen and present their former greatness:

                  3. 0
                    28 October 2018 18: 22
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: Altona
                    That is, to call for the preservation of the indigenous population is bad?

                    Are you aware that all of Siberia (and not only it) was annexed? There is no Russian indigenous population. Are you insisting on the liberation of all of Siberia from Russians for the "indigenous population" of Western investors?

                    Quote: Altona
                    The "wise" policy of your "wisest" has already turned the North Caucasus into mono-ethnic regions, where there is almost no Russian population.

                    The war in the Caucasus was not unleashed by Putin, but by Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Putin finished it.

                    Again.
                    As soon as the state forming the structure of the RSFSR withdrew from the USSR, the USSR ceased to exist. As soon as the state that forms the Russian Russians determines their nationality, the question will arise about the nation and the borders of residence ... As the hunchback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go so that whoever stops him.

                    If there is a desire to indicate nationality, then this should be single federal law for all nationalities, let’s say such as I indicated in the previous comment - enter the column of nationality in the passport. Everything!

                    ps
                    Judging by how many cons I crammed, the people have a great sense of national pride. That's not bad. I am the same Russian and proud of it. The bad thing is that someone very skillfully manipulates these feelings. Do not get fooled by emotions.

                    Learn to write in Russian without errors, then teach others. As Stalin said in your post - 1. language.
              2. +4
                27 October 2018 22: 11
                Ethnic Russian territories are those territories where Russians prevail numerically. And the area of ​​these territories is larger than on the indicated map. By the way, this is a map of the administrative division of the Russian Federation, and not a map of the settlement of ethnic groups in the territory of the Russian Federation. In addition, outdated, not relevant. You do not know that for quite some time now there have been no Dolgan-Nenets, Evenki, two Buryat, Komi-Permyak, Koryak autonomous districts as subjects of the federation. They are fully integrated in the Krasnoyarsk, Perm, Kamchatka, Trans-Baikal Territories and in the Irkutsk Region.
          10. +6
            27 October 2018 18: 53
            "Boris, you're wrong!" (classic .therefore you)
            Russian is not an adjective, but a noun. . Everything else is from the evil one ..
            In the empire they were also called Great Russians. According to the last census of 2010, Russians = 1 are the first. Russians* 111 people or 016% of the national composition or 896% of those who indicated nationality
            http://www.statdata.ru/nacionalnyj-sostav-rossii
          11. +6
            27 October 2018 21: 57
            Russian is nationality. I am Russian in the political sense, but I am Russian, Great Russian in terms of ethnicity.
          12. +3
            28 October 2018 00: 09
            Quote: Boris55
            what is a nation and who are Russians

            These are those who consider themselves Russian.
          13. +9
            28 October 2018 00: 59
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Russians in the rest of the world consider all the inhabitants of Russia

            And rightly so.

            Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc. Just like the civilization of the East are the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.

            If you scrape every Russian, it turns out that he is: a glade, a drevlyanin, etc.

            ps
            It would not be a bad idea for the author to start to define: what is a nation and who are Russians, otherwise each of us understands this in his own way.

            Please forgive me for interfering) Some time ago I took part in the discussion of a video of a young blogger who emigrated to the USA. Before that she lived in St. Petersburg. The name of the video, if I remember exactly, "I am ashamed that I am Russian." In the course of the discussion, it turned out that she was the owner of ancient bloods, in which not a drop of Russian, of which the not-chosen ones could only dream (from her words). When asked why a Jewess should be ashamed of the Russians, she was accused of anti-Semitism ... And in general, in her soul, it turns out, she is more Russian than, for example, I, whose relatives both on the father's side and on the mother's side are Russians and all with one of the Vologda region.) This is such a paradox!
            1. +4
              28 October 2018 09: 50
              And yes, in her opinion, Russians as a nationality do not exist.
        2. +19
          27 October 2018 10: 16
          Quote: Tatar 174
          But to help those who wish and consider themselves Russians to return to Russia is a holy, I believe, obligation of the Russian state, but for this the Government needs to work, and whether it wants additional burdens and problems for itself is a rhetorical question.

          Yes, the government together with the State Duma are working in this direction. My daughter, Russian by blood and spirit, who moved to Russia for permanent residence, was forced, along with Uzbeks and Tajiks, to take an exam in Russian. Not only is this in itself humiliating - it doesn’t go to the university, but it was also forced to pay for the exam. Not only that, she officially got a job, i.e. pays taxes like gr. Russia, and in the FIU too, so it is also forced to buy a patent for a job. Is this not double taxation?
          And my niece married in Russia for gr. For three years Russia could not get a Russian passport.
          This is how the government and the State Duma relate to the Russians who moved to Russia.
          1. +15
            27 October 2018 16: 48
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            This is how the government and the State Duma relate to the Russians who moved to Russia.

            ----------------------------
            And who is Russian in the Duma and the Government? One "divorced and abandoned" Jew Makarov with his frantic legislative initiatives is worth something. The Duma and other representative bodies of power should have proportional representation of all the peoples of Russia. We need to find a Russian locksmith with a humanitarian education or a Chukchi with a technical one, let them look like it was before, if figuratively, and the power should be replaceable. And when there are all the same faces that people have long hated, led by the president promising paradise, then there is no need to wait for care for the Russians. Even in the distribution of the budget, the same Kostroma receives transfers ten times less than Chechnya. And so everywhere. The USSR collapsed precisely because of the neglect of Russians, Russians were considered the basis of all troubles. "Moscow is the Russian capital," then the Russians are to blame. Nobody cared that Moscow was colonizing the whole country, including Russians, and citizens of unknown nationalities settled in the Politburo.
          2. 0
            1 November 2018 03: 54
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            This is how the government and the State Duma relate to the Russians who moved to Russia.

            So I’ll tell you worse. The Russian Federation, the government and the rulers of ALL Russians are considered emigrants. Look in your passport, who issued it? He himself relatively recently found out and was amazed - a passport was issued to me by the Federal Migration Service, the Federal Office Migratory Service. Despite the fact that I was born in the USSR (RSFSR) and never lived even in the union republics, not to mention foreign countries.
            And the previous passport was from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (or ATC, I don’t remember anymore).
        3. +5
          27 October 2018 11: 40
          Quote: Tatar 174
          But to help those who wish and consider themselves Russians to return to Russia is a holy, I believe, obligation of the Russian state

          It is necessary to return the Russians with the Russian lands and nothing else.
        4. +1
          29 October 2018 19: 59
          Quote: Tatar 174
          even though the Tatar himself

          I was in my grandmother's homeland !! Tulumbayevo - one street is Russian, the second is Tatar, relatives live on both of them !! Some have a Russian surname - all Tatars laughing Others have the opposite !! And I’m into Russian-physics, but by name-Tatar, this is generally something ... laughing
          BUT, if seriously, the tales that we saw at Row and how they were drawn in books are exactly Tatarstan, wink = centuries-old oaks and pines, all safe and sound, even now in a fairy tale !! Yes
      2. +15
        27 October 2018 12: 54
        The revival of Russia will begin when (not the Russians, as Eltsin said), and the Russians will feel in Russia not as outcasts, but as indigenous people. And in the constitution of the country it will be written that the Russians in Russia are the TITLE NATION. Legally! But the laws are accepted by the Duma, but there are no Russians in the Duma. More precisely, there is a tiny percentage.
        As the unforgettable Gorbachev said - "that's where the dog rummaged."
      3. -2
        27 October 2018 21: 39
        Quote: Dart2027
        Because it began a long time ago and the annexation of Crimea has nothing to do with it.


        I agree with organizations of national borders, started in 1991, and Krymnash caused irreparable damage even to Russians in Ukraine. They had to choose and they chose their homeland. And before, they did not consider Russia a stranger or a hostile one.
        So it’s wrong to assume that Krym has nothing to do with it. A territorial dispute is the worst occurrence for Ukrainians and Russians. And now it’s simply dangerous for Russians to be here and there.
        Hostile Ukraine (even among the Russians of Ukraine) is the result of KRymnash. Without Krymnashi there would not have been Donbass (the Maidan would have become just a repetition of the first with the drain of nationalists and the arrival of the New "Yanukovych" again)
        and there were no instruments of hostility. I do not take into account our nationalists. Only ordinary ordinary Ukrainians and Russian citizens of the state of Ukraine.
        1. +2
          28 October 2018 06: 58
          Quote: Antares
          I agree with organizations of national borders - started in 1991

          I mean the very creation of such a people as Ukrainians.
          Quote: Antares
          Without Krymnashi there would not have been Donbass (the Maidan would have become just a repetition of the first with the drain of nationalists and the arrival of the New "Yanukovych" again)

          Oh really? For reference, Yanukovych had only a year in power and there was no point in arranging any Maidan.
      4. +4
        28 October 2018 06: 51
        and the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state to us and the fact that millions of Russians are Ukrainized there
        Because it began a long time ago and the annexation of Crimea has nothing to do with it.

        Ukrainization started in the 20s and was conducted through the press at that time in a very massive and stupid way.
        Examples of photo articles of those years, dozens on the Internet For counteracting Ukrainization, they were fired from leadership positions and expelled from the party.

      5. kig
        +1
        28 October 2018 09: 59
        Quote: Dart2027
        the annexation of Crimea has nothing to do with this.


        here you are, in my opinion, wrong. It began a long time ago, it is, but the events of 2014 had a very strong influence, too. Now, it seems, no one already remembers, but this event caused a strong upsurge of patriotism, the people there quite seriously signed up for the militia and prepared to defend the country from aggressors. Well, the nationalists finally got a real enemy. It is possible that the Donbass would not have taken place. So Krymnash came around to us.
        1. +2
          28 October 2018 10: 07
          Quote: kig
          Now, it seems, no one remembers anymore, but this event caused a strong surge of patriotism, the people there quite seriously signed up for the militia and prepared to defend the country from aggressors.

          You have not tried to read the news about how is recruiting in the APU?
          Quote: kig
          So Krymnash came around to us.

          And how:
      6. +4
        28 October 2018 15: 13
        Quote: Dart2027
        Because it began a long time ago and the annexation of Crimea has nothing to do with it.

        By 1964, more than 50% of the top of the Communist Party was occupied by amnestied Bandera, does this tell you anything?
        1. +1
          28 October 2018 17: 50
          Quote: goose
          Does this tell you anything?

          Not surprised.
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    3. +8
      27 October 2018 09: 44
      Quote: Pessimist22
      This is good of course, but why is the annexation of Crimea a significant event, and the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state for us and the fact that millions of Russians are Ukrainized there is nothing so mean?

      Well, try to "Ukrainize" me, I'll see how you do it.
      I have been living in the outskirts for almost 40 years, and still I am drawn to my homeland, to Siberia.
      If the wings would fly like that. Yes, one trouble, the Lord did not give wings. And the authorities give money exactly as much as necessary so as not to die of hunger.
    4. +8
      27 October 2018 10: 02
      Ukraine before the annexation of Crimea was a hostile state
      1. +2
        27 October 2018 10: 25
        Quote: vindigo
        Ukraine before the annexation of Crimea was a hostile state

        from what year, specify?
        1. +4
          27 October 2018 16: 49
          Quote: Silvestr
          from what year

          It was invented as an anti-Russian project.
        2. +5
          28 October 2018 15: 23
          Quote: Silvestr
          from what year, specify?

          The territory of Austria-Hungary is the place of origin of Ukraine (about 1868-70), and there you need to look for a hostile state. Later, the hostile Ukraine was imported into the Western Province of Russia, where Kiev and Lvov stood. Still later, in order to dilute the rural population of the UPR, to the future Ukrainian SSR, in 1922, under Lenin, three times more territories were added to the territory that had not been connected with Kiev in any way. Including modern Mariupol, Odessa, Dnepropertrovsk, Kharkiv, Donetsk, Lugansk, etc., which neither Poles, nor MOVs have never heard of. They forgot to attach the Crimea.
        3. 0
          29 October 2018 11: 35
          Quote: Silvestr
          from what year, specify?

          from 1918, from Petliura - when I was "at the carriage of Direktoria, pid the carriage of the territory". Petliura, Bandera, Kravchuk - all of the same berry field
      2. +5
        27 October 2018 17: 39
        Quote: vindigo
        Ukraine before the annexation of Crimea was a hostile state

        --------------------------
        To begin with, Ukraine is a Russian territory with a Russian population, torn away in Belovezhskaya Pushcha by the Bandera separatist Kravchuk, together with a certain Yeltsin and Shushkevich, who joined them. Under Soviet rule, Kravchuk was responsible for working with national separatism and was himself an embedded Bandera. The introduction of the Bandera members began under Khrushchev, who pardoned them, then the foreign special services in western Ukraine created a Bandera enclave of the Bandera population, including the so-called "returnees" from Canada and Europe, of about 500 thousand people. Many of the Bandera members switched to non-violent forms of resistance and infiltration into party and economic bodies. What we see today is a consequence of the Bandera genesis of his introduction to power in Ukraine.
        PS By the way, as in Russia, representatives of a characteristic nationality are in power and pursue exactly the same policy as in Russia.
      3. +5
        27 October 2018 18: 02
        Quote: vindigo
        Ukraine before the annexation of Crimea was a hostile state

        They blurted out without thinking.
        Yes, today millions of those who believe in the zombies are negative about Russia.
        But, for justice, there are millions of those who cannot be fooled by chaff. And the trouble is that they have no organizing power. They are divided and therefore can’t fight the regime.
        1. +3
          27 October 2018 19: 29
          I’m talking about state policy itself. Frankly hostile, even before the annexation of Crimea. The fact that the majority of the people either do not care or positive for Russia, I know. I think, given the strength of propaganda, there are more people who hate Russia.
    5. +7
      27 October 2018 10: 24
      Quote: Pessimist22
      about why the annexation of Crimea is a significant event, and the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state to us and that millions of Russians are there

      because Ukraine was profiled and there’s nothing to be proud of on that front. And Crimea is nearby
      1. +14
        27 October 2018 11: 04
        Quote: Silvestr
        because Ukraine was profiled and there’s nothing to be proud of on that front.

        No! Because Ukraine was created by dividing the Russian people. Because Ukrainians were instilled in every possible way for a long time and persistently, persistently and systematically! We strongly encouraged the Ukrainian specialty. Decade after decade ... And not since 1991, they have been making Russian Ukrainians, but since 1917 they have also been giving away Russian strawberries to Russia!
        1. +5
          27 October 2018 12: 02
          Quote: Detective
          dividing the Russian people

          who shared?
          Quote: Detective
          and since 1917, he has also been giving away Russian landlings!

          I lived in Ukraine for about 40 years and did not become Ukrainian
          1. +4
            27 October 2018 12: 55
            You do not know who created Ukraine? Well, try reading something.
            Quote: Silvestr
            I lived in Ukraine for about 40 years and did not become Ukrainian

            I really hope that your case is not unique!
            1. +3
              27 October 2018 13: 16
              Quote: Detective
              your case is not unique!

              not single
          2. +4
            27 October 2018 13: 29
            Unfortunately, not everyone can be proud of such successes. And you can be sure that if not your children, then the grandchildren and great-grandchildren will not jump in, they will not throw a ridge, they will not burn flags and demolish monuments? There are not so many strong and persistent, most of them are suggestible amoebas, and it is very difficult to raise descendants in their own values ​​in our information age with slops from every gap.
            1. +4
              27 October 2018 13: 44
              Quote: Navigator Basov
              then grandchildren and great-grandchildren will not jump

              do not jump, sure
          3. -3
            27 October 2018 21: 47
            Quote: Silvestr
            I lived in Ukraine for about 40 years and did not become Ukrainian

            I was born Ukrainian and I do not care about nationality. Our world is global to exchange for nationalism. (Does not contribute to progress)
            Even in the USSR they taught that there is no difference between a Russian (not a Russian then) and a Ukrainian and other peoples ...
            No zombie can change something if a personality is formed. The crowd is yes. The TV cannot. But to create an illusion completely.
          4. 0
            29 October 2018 11: 39
            Quote: Silvestr
            who shared?

            Lenin am , bastard, who else! According to his awesome democratic constitution, 1 worker’s vote = 4 peasant’s votes, and the Donbass worker was added to rural Ukraine to shift the balance - for they understood that the peasants were for the Bolsheviks am They will not vote, their ideal is "the wise dad, the glorious dad, our good dad - Makhno!"
    6. +8
      27 October 2018 10: 31
      The most important thing is that in Ukraine Russians are killed because they are Russians, they think and speak Russian, they want their children to think and speak Russian.
      1. +3
        27 October 2018 12: 04
        Quote: Bearded
        Russians are being killed in Ukraine

        Russians who
        Quote: Bearded
        think and speak Russian

        40 out of 36 national battalions are formed in central and eastern Ukraine.
        So everything is much more complicated
        1. 0
          27 October 2018 13: 14
          So what?! Do the fighters of these national battalions consider themselves Russian?
          1. +4
            27 October 2018 13: 17
            Quote: Detective
            Do the fighters of these national battalions consider themselves Russian?

            You will be surprised. but yes
            1. +1
              27 October 2018 14: 34
              Why are you saying these nonsense here I don’t understand ?! And how, in this case, these Russians react to the infringement of the Russian language by the Nazis, including in everyday life ?! You have not lived alone in Ukraine. Not one have the opportunity to communicate with Ukrainians. But I will not give you examples. You can just call them into question. I will cite the official statistics for the 2001 Ukrainian census. So, a significant increase in the share of the titular ethnic group, i.e., Ukrainians, was recorded! It turned out that 77,8% of the country's inhabitants consider themselves Ukrainians! But only 17,3% called themselves Russians! In 1989, there were 22,1% of Russians. What do you think, and now Russian, what has become more ?! Where did they go then ?! And here you are telling tales about Russian Nazis from Ukrainian National Bats! Russians were their grandfathers and fathers, and not all of them. These are just Christ sellers and geeks!
        2. 0
          27 October 2018 13: 38

          And how many of 36 are nevertheless formed in the central, and how many in the eastern? Yes, and central Ukraine is a too vague concept, under it, and Vinnitsa with Zhytomyr can be summed up, suddenly there will be 35 national battalions, huh?
          1. +1
            27 October 2018 13: 43
            (http://tribunal-today.ru/vazhnaya-informatsiya/batalony-ato/)
            Quote: Navigator Basov
            And how many of 36 are still formed in the central, and how much - in the east?
      2. +1
        27 October 2018 21: 52
        Quote: Bearded
        The most important thing is that in Ukraine Russians are killed because they are Russians, they think and speak Russian, they want their children to think and speak Russian.

        I won’t surprise you, but there are people on both sides. Some defend the territorial integrity of their country, others in the same way. And both countries are Russian. According to the project. Just passports are different and the interests of the curators are different.
        And they think in Russian and teach children in Russian, they speak in Ukraine, too. And most of all at the front of just such people! Because they are better warriors than pro-Western Ukrainians. They fight worse and do not see the goal of protecting something in such a country.
    7. 0
      29 October 2018 11: 02
      Quote: Pessimist22
      why the annexation of Crimea is a significant event, but the fact that Ukraine has become a hostile state to us

      And she had become so long ago - whether we would have taken Crimea or not, this would not have changed anything! In 1989-90m were needed massive executions, and now it's late! And it was necessary to shoot in Baku and Vilnius not crowds in the squares, but party bonuses sold to the West in high offices!
  2. +26
    27 October 2018 05: 55
    ... any steps to normalize the legal field are welcome

    And, because it’s really insulting and causes, to put it mildly, misunderstanding - the complete stupidity of the authorities - in science (history, DNA geneology, ethnology, sociology, etc., etc., etc.), as in reality - there are Russians, there is both a state-forming nation, as a titular nation (the collective West and the whole world think just that), and (paradox!) in the legal sphere and politics, unlike the national minorities, with their own national constitutions and self-names ...
    So who is the so-called. "power" in the end? Are the Russians common people? And, for me so - the enemies of the Russian people, cosmopolitans.
    1. +28
      27 October 2018 06: 12
      Indeed, even in the Constitution (!) Of the RSFSR of the 1978 of the year, it is enough even in the preamble, but the Russian people themselves are mentioned, which cannot be said about the constitution of the 1993 of the year. For the Russian people in the current constitution are NOT at all ...
      "The formation of the RSFSR provided Russian people"all the nations and nationalities of the Russian Federation have favorable conditions for comprehensive economic, social and cultural development, taking into account their national characteristics in the fraternal family of the Soviet peoples."

      Russian people obliged and should be mentioned in the Constitution, exactly as a subject of sovereignty!
      It is in the Constitution, and not in the "new version of the Strategy of State National Policy." Some kind of filing ... which is not a fact that they will approve in the form as it is said in the text of the article.
      1. +21
        27 October 2018 06: 20
        Indeed, the Russian nation as the core of the state, without prejudice to the rights and freedoms of other peoples. Our Volga region is an example of this. But sooner or later it must be officially designated.
      2. 0
        28 October 2018 01: 15
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Indeed, even in the Constitution (!) Of the RSFSR of 1978, it is enough even in the preamble, but the Russian people themselves are mentioned
        With the adoption of new constitutions in the 77th and 78th years, the last stage of the destruction of the socialist system began, one of the key roles in which was played by philistine nationalism, fueled by the mention of ethnic groups in the constitutions.

        And in the Constitution of the RSFSR of the 37th year, there was no mention of ethnic groups / nationalities.
  3. +10
    27 October 2018 06: 16
    And now to bring it into the Constitution.
    1. 0
      27 October 2018 13: 41
      So categorically that even for some reason I remembered: enter the citizen ambassador!
  4. +15
    27 October 2018 07: 01
    Now the next census has started ... Based on the results, we will see ... how many people in Russia consider themselves Russian ... From myself I will say ... I consider myself Russian ... but the ancestors of Mordovians ...
    1. -6
      27 October 2018 08: 07
      Quote: Vard
      Now the next census has started ... Based on the results, we will see ... how many people in Russia consider themselves Russian ... From myself I will say ... I consider myself Russian ... but the ancestors of Mordovians ...

      Ancestors is mom and dad? For me, as an outsider, Russians are a nation that includes both Russians and Russians, and this nation is a state, the rest of the nationalities or peoples inhabiting the Russian Federation are not yet nations, although they seem to have their own republics within the Russian Federation. At the expense of non-infringement by Russians of others on the territory of the Russian Federation, for me, there is Russification of non-Russian peoples, when Kazakhstan is undergoing the process of Kazakhization, this causes a negative among Russians, and when there is Russification in Russia this causes a positive among Russians. laughing
      1. +6
        27 October 2018 09: 05
        If not for Russia, then about the Kazakhs and no one would have remembered! Nomadic people no more, and you want to attribute Russian there?
        1. -2
          27 October 2018 09: 48
          Quote: d1975
          If not for Russia, then about the Kazakhs and no one would have remembered! Nomadic people no more, and you want to attribute Russian there?

          As it would be, it's for science fiction. Do you think the nomadic people are some kind of inferiority?
          1. +8
            27 October 2018 10: 26
            Quote: Semurg
            Do you think the nomadic people are some kind of inferiority?

            This is not inferiority. But according to historical fact, the nomadic Kazakh people before the Soviet regime did not have their statehood at all. Namely, until the Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Leninists, administratively and territorially, artificially allocated to the Kazakhs political statehood (autonomy) in the form of a "titular" national Soviet republic, annexing to it the primordially Russian lands with an ethnically Russian population. Therefore, talking about the Kazakh nation up to this point is wrong.

            In addition, this is precisely why young Kazakh statehood has historically not so much been evolutionary as it is an immature artificially foreign-policy character. This is evidenced by the fact that now in the Kazakh national state, Kazakh chauvinists are now oppressing the Russian people in their country, right up to the massive departure of ethnic Russians from Kazakhstan.
            1. -6
              27 October 2018 18: 38
              Quote: Tatiana
              Quote: Semurg
              Do you think the nomadic people are some kind of inferiority?

              This is not inferiority. But according to historical fact, the nomadic Kazakh people before the Soviet regime did not have their statehood at all. Namely, until the Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Leninists, administratively and territorially, artificially allocated to the Kazakhs political statehood (autonomy) in the form of a "titular" national Soviet republic, annexing to it the primordially Russian lands with an ethnically Russian population. Therefore, talking about the Kazakh nation up to this point is wrong.

              In addition, this is precisely why young Kazakh statehood has historically not so much been evolutionary as it is an immature artificially foreign-policy character. This is evidenced by the fact that now in the Kazakh national state, Kazakh chauvinists are now oppressing the Russian people in their country, right up to the massive departure of ethnic Russians from Kazakhstan.

              The state of justice among the Kazakhs was in the form of the Kazakh Khanate, and the Kazakhs went their evolutionary path from creating their own statehood, then fragmentation and loss of sovereignty upon joining the Republic of Ingushetia and the formation of autonomy and a union republic within the USSR and gaining their statehood again with the collapse of the USSR. in Kazakhstan, Kazakhization is primarily among the Kazakhs themselves, as the Kazakhs have become very Russified up to the loss of their language.
              1. +2
                27 October 2018 20: 12
                Quote: Semurg
                State justice among the Kazakhs was in the form of the Kazakh Khanate

                Not Kazakh but Cossack, learn to read.
                1. 0
                  27 October 2018 21: 54
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: Semurg
                  State justice among the Kazakhs was in the form of the Kazakh Khanate

                  Not Kazakh but Cossack, learn to read.

                  Qazaq is correct, but we are on the Russian website and we write Kazakhs and the Kazakh Khanate.
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2018 23: 15
                    Quote: Semurg
                    Qazaq is correct, but we are on the Russian website and we write Kazakhs and the Kazakh Khanate.

                    q is kyu, not ha.
              2. +1
                29 October 2018 11: 42
                Quote: Semurg
                State justice among the Kazakhs was in the form of the Kazakh Khanate

                Semurg, in terms of state studies, khanates, etc. nomadic empires are NOT states, but the so-called. "supercomplex chiefdoms"!
          2. +2
            27 October 2018 12: 02
            Quote: Semurg
            As it would be, it's for science fiction. Do you think the nomadic people are some kind of inferiority?

            Exactly so, a nomadic way of life is to go nuts what inferiority to people with a settled way of life. For example, stealing from nomads is not a crime.
            1. -1
              27 October 2018 18: 50
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: Semurg
              As it would be, it's for science fiction. Do you think the nomadic people are some kind of inferiority?

              Exactly so, a nomadic way of life is to go nuts what inferiority to people with a settled way of life. For example, stealing from nomads is not a crime.

              lol hi
            2. 0
              29 October 2018 11: 44
              Quote: Setrac
              For example, stealing from nomads is not a crime.

              cattle theft is a "valor" for all pastoralists, not only nomadic ones - for example, both the Ossetians (Balts) and the Scots (the name of the political party "Whigs" is an abbreviation for "wiggamora" = cattle thieves)
        2. +4
          27 October 2018 10: 06
          Kazakhs are a bunch of nations, like Dagestanis. Read their division into zhuzes and tribes.
          1. -2
            27 October 2018 18: 18
            Quote: vindigo
            Kazakhs are a bunch of nations, like Dagestanis. Read their division into zhuzes and tribes.

            laughing fool
            1. +2
              29 October 2018 11: 45
              Quote: Semurg
              Quote: vindigo
              Kazakhs are a bunch of nations, like Dagestanis. Read their division into zhuzes and tribes.

              laughing fool

              Semurg, 100 years ago, when asked about nationality, most Kazakhs called only your kind!
        3. +1
          27 October 2018 13: 47
          And then the nomadic people or not nomadic? I live next to the Kazakhs, they assimilate very well, unlike many. I constantly tell the story of the Russian Kazakh as an example. Such a direct impression, say such that he is not Russian - his face will fill:
          - Oh you, the queen of the fields!
          - It seems your ...
          1. -5
            27 October 2018 18: 54
            Quote: Bass Navigator
            And then the nomadic people or not nomadic? I live next to the Kazakhs, they assimilate very well, unlike many. I constantly tell the story of the Russian Kazakh as an example. Such a direct impression, say such that he is not Russian - his face will fill:
            - Oh you, the queen of the fields!
            - It seems your ...

            Russification of Kazakhs in the Russian Federation is a good example for you, but Kazakhization, first of all, of the Kazakhs themselves in Kazakhstan is a bad example for most Russians. Why such double standards.
        4. +4
          28 October 2018 15: 28
          If not for Russia, then about the Kazakhs and no one would have remembered

          In a certain year of the Kazakhs there were about 35 thousand, - they were finished off by the Dzungars, and it was Russia that stopped the complete destruction of this people. This fact is cut out of the modern history of Kazakhstan, which is taught in schools.
  5. A.
    +20
    27 October 2018 07: 13
    For example, Putin, accomplices and their masters, Jews, for example, are closer than Russians. In Russian, they parasitize, deceiving and fooling us, stuffing bottomless pockets.
    1. 0
      27 October 2018 23: 17
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      For example, Putin, accomplices and their masters, Jews, for example, are closer than Russians. In Russian, they parasitize, deceiving and fooling us, stuffing bottomless pockets

      All right. How much can you endure these Jews.
  6. -3
    27 October 2018 07: 58
    Well, who says that Russian? Only not Russians, but Russes or Dews, but all that is theirs, the country of Russia, the language is Russian. If the language is Russian, how can the people be called Russian, that is, someone? The German does not say that he is German and the Pole does not say that he is Polish, but with Rus (Dew) this is possible, then discard this second one, in German in the Russian word.
    1. -1
      27 October 2018 13: 50
      Well, God himself ordered the neopagans to collect under this article. You would all be gathered in one place, and removed at once.
    2. +3
      27 October 2018 22: 29
      Don't write nonsense. The self-name of the Germans literally translates as "German". Russian is not an adjective, but a substantive. Most of the Russians are Great Russians. And Ukrainians are very fond of removing double consonants in words.)
    3. +2
      29 October 2018 11: 48
      Quote: psi61
      The German does not say that he is German

      You are mistaken: literally Deutsch = Teutisch - teutonENGLISHFrancois - frenchENGLISHEspanol - spanishENGLISH! And Englishman = "englishENGLISH man".
  7. +1
    27 October 2018 08: 02
    In my opinion, do not do this! And it's time to stop all this orgy in the media about what Russians are. The Russian people, he is the Russian people, as if some of the representatives of other nationalities with "honors" would not want to understand, but how to identify him. According to the census, over 80% of us are Russians. What other "identifications" are needed?
    All this, excuse me, mouse fuss over the "national question" is reminiscent of the fuss over the creation of the so-called Communist Party of the RSFSR in June 1990. Behind the words that there is the Communist Party of the Uzbek SSR or the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR, but there is no Communist Party in the RSFSR, there was a Jesuit desire to divide everything, everyone and everything in our country. Then it was still limited to the political organization of the state and, apparently, the financial component. But it became clear that no one would save the country from collapse. And a few months later, the USSR rested in the Bose.
    "Fear the Danes who bring gifts." Once again, this ancient wisdom comes to mind.
  8. +4
    27 October 2018 08: 17
    Paradox. On June 12, 1991, the sovereignty of the RSFSR was proclaimed, and then it was said to take sovereignty as much as you want ... who got it and who doesn't.
  9. +9
    27 October 2018 08: 20
    At one time "Russian" became a curse word. If a person says this to himself, then he is a nationalist. Once I spoke with one scientist. So he said that it is easier for him to teach and study the myths of ancient Greece than our epics and fairy tales (although there are many similarities there), since certain organs begin to be interested in you for studying such things. We are instilled in our worthlessness "you did not have history, civilization, victories, conquests and culture, all the best from the West, and if you do not agree, then you are a sectarian, a nationalist and a quilted jacket.
    1. +13
      27 October 2018 09: 30
      At one time "Russian" became a curse word. If a person says this to himself, then he is a nationalist.
      I agree, I’ll add from myself:
      any Tatar, Jew, Bashkir, etc. has the right to be publicly proud of his people and quite rightly, but the Russian is deprived of this right, he is immediately recorded in chauvinists, Nazis, etc. Moreover, it is not written down in any laws, but in fact such discrimination in the order of things.
      1. +4
        27 October 2018 11: 42
        Well, tea doesn’t live in a free country! Although there are no NATO troops, agents of influence stick out like cockroaches from all the cracks!
      2. -6
        27 October 2018 14: 01
        Nobody records chauvinists. It’s just that mostly real chauvinists, nationalists and sectarians (neopagans) talk about it. They are mummers (all kinds of Cossacks are unfinished), like you, I smell, oh, I smell. And all because, I already wrote to your colleague, the people feel this very well, even if they do not realize it with their minds. We used to have internationalism - we did not hear about nationalism and never heard of it, and how all this was reflected in the culture is a sight. And now there is no internationalism, nationalism inevitably arises in various forms, many of which are destructive, and only one is constructive.
    2. 0
      27 October 2018 11: 44
      Yes Yes! It is the myths! We only have myths, and nothing else!
      It’s good that they are only interested in organs, and not taken for organs!
    3. -2
      27 October 2018 13: 57
      Well, I’m saying to myself that I’m Russian, and I’ll certainly be a quilted jacket. But you are even without replicas, one avatar - a nationalist and a sectarian. People, even if they don’t understand something, feel very good. If one person told you that you are a sectarian - forget it; if three - well, you never know; if you are constantly told this, you should already take it for granted, you are a sectarian.
    4. 0
      28 October 2018 18: 56
      This begs the question, where is the "owner" looking? After all, a good owner always has harmony and order in the house. And the careless collapse and devastation.
  10. +4
    27 October 2018 08: 29
    Russians will appear in Russia!
    We didn’t disappear! On us all and holds on!

    There I am in jeans and trousers with stripes !!!
  11. +12
    27 October 2018 09: 12
    When you can’t defeat someone, head it .....
    When the volunteers went to Donbass, this puzzled the Kremlin. This means that Russ has not died yet! And, there is also the Russian spirit. ... It means little to discredit the idea of ​​"Russian Spring". So they are trying to "overwhelm" the restoration of Russia's sovereignty. Instead of Motorola and Mozgovoy, put some kind of controlled idle talkers at the head of the Russian movement. For them, another legal version of "ours" is being prepared.
  12. +8
    27 October 2018 09: 25
    It is simply ridiculous if we are Russians, at the everyday level, to engage in a polemic proving that Russians in Russia are important. Who to prove? Someone in doubt?
    1. +2
      27 October 2018 11: 36
      Do not get involved anywhere! They have their own wedding, and we’ll sit here ourselves!
  13. +6
    27 October 2018 09: 35
    Ltsinsky (current) constitution, in which there was no place to mention the Russian people,

    Since 1917, since the time of the Russian Empire, there is no mention of the Russian people in any Constitution.
    1. +5
      27 October 2018 11: 55
      Quote: Olgovich
      Since 1917, since the time of the Russian Empire, there is no mention of the Russian people in any Constitution.

      Since 1917, hands have not reached such a trifle! It was necessary to create new state formations, new peoples with new languages, to include Russian lands in their composition ... This is a very serious front of work! What kind of Russians, Andrey, I beg you ?! On the contrary, according to the ideology of the new government, traditional Russia consisted entirely of embezzlers and swindlers, palmists, mediocrities and bureaucrats, at the same time an aggressively stupid - conservative and downtrodden slave people. But the peoples annexed (joined) to Russia, the ideologist of Bolshevism Bukharin divided into two types. Representatives of the first type were, for example, Georgians - a people with ancient cultural traditions, who, however, failed (but apparently really wanted) to destroy the Russian Empire. The second type is the Central Asian peoples, whom the Russian oppressors threw back hundreds of years. In short, the Russians must be placed in such a strict framework in relation to the "oppressed" peoples in order to deserve their forgiveness! Or, for example, such an interesting People's Commissar of Education Lunacharsky all the time dreamed of transforming Russians into a new type of people. Referring to Lenin and other Bolshevik authorities, he said about the Russians that they are not quite Europeans and very few Americans, but to a large extent Asians and oblomov (we do not know how to work, dreamy lazy people) - the Russian still has to go through a decent strip of time to get to the West a person who knows how to work five or six times more smoothly, better, smarter! He also said - "We do not need any patriotism, because to find a worthy future is possible only in the future world organization, created thanks to the special qualities of a proletarian who does not feel like a citizen of a certain country ... is an internationalist!"
      The most unpleasant thing is that the ideological great-grandson of these comrades divorced, something a bit much with us recently!
      1. +2
        28 October 2018 15: 33
        Quote: Detective
        Referring to Lenin and other Bolshevik authorities, he talked about the Russians, that they are not quite Europeans and very very few Americans, but to a large extent Asians and breakaway (we are not able to work, dreamy lazy people) - the Russian still has to pass a decent lane of time to get to the western a person who knows how to work is five to six times more complex, okay, smarter!

        Well then, who are Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, French and Portuguese, if Russian is lazy mentally ???
        If the Russians worked like them, long ago there would be no Russians, they would die out of hunger. Do not believe? count somehow the non-working local Aborigines on the weekend and on the working day, there will be no difference.
  14. +10
    27 October 2018 09: 36
    . Unites modern Russian society with a single cultural (civilizational) code

    I am Russian, I really want to unite. But not enough code! Tell me where to get it, and what is it?

    It really is impossible to formulate thoughts simply. In simple Russian words! I always believed that if a thing is formulated difficult, and is replete with many incomprehensible definitions, then the author himself is poorly aware of what is being discussed.
    1. +1
      27 October 2018 11: 26
      The so-called "cultural code" is only a key to understanding the type of culture, a scientific concept.
      Or, as they say in encyclopedias: "unique cultural features inherited by peoples from their ancestors; this is information encoded in some form that allows the identification of a culture."
      The cultural code of a nation helps to understand its behavioral reactions, defines folk psychology.
    2. +1
      27 October 2018 11: 34
      You do not have enough code from the bank cell, where is the money? Ask Soros, he has long called the price for the Russian Federation!
  15. +11
    27 October 2018 09: 36
    Respect to the author for the title! Not even 30 years have passed since the Russians appeared in the Russian Federation. Only this humor will not be appreciated by the authorities. As the Russians crushed, they will continue. The proof of this, for example, is that the authorities actually block the resettlement of Russians to Russia from the former republics.
    This recognition is more like a dog’s bone ... you wanted to be Russian, well, please.
    The point is not the absence of Russian law, but the lack of popular power.
  16. +8
    27 October 2018 09: 55
    This is something unbelievable. This happened due to the fact that NATO is hitting the butt with the butt of the Russian Federation.
    1. +12
      27 October 2018 10: 48
      Quote: gunnerminer
      This is something unbelievable. This happened due to the fact that NATO is hitting the butt with the butt of the Russian Federation.

      Exactly. The powers that be, as a rule, remember the Russians as a people as a "cannon fodder" only when the serene prosperity of those in power begins to really threaten a military catastrophe.
      1. 0
        27 October 2018 11: 40
        In the absence of the required number of recently liquidated military educational institutions, the definition of “cannon fodder” somehow begins to flicker more often.
      2. -2
        27 October 2018 12: 04
        Quote: Tatiana
        Exactly. The powers that be, as a rule, remember the Russians as a people as a "cannon fodder" only when the serene prosperity of those in power begins to really threaten a military catastrophe.

        Do you mean Stalin’s speech to his brothers and sisters and a toast to the Russian people? I did not expect to hear from you!
    2. +7
      27 October 2018 10: 48
      This happened due to the fact that NATO is pounding the butt into the gates of the Russian Federation.
      ... Of course, God forbid, the conflict on the western borders, under which slogan should the people rally: For faith, the oligarchs and the Fatherland? ... In addition, separatism in the subjects of the Federation has not died .. breathes .. The idea is needed for compatriots living in the near and foreign countries, that would be remembered that they are not just a Russian-speaking population ... It is not yet clear how smoothly it will be on paper, and about which gullies they forgot ...
      1. +2
        27 October 2018 11: 30
        This is certainly cool for believing in the oligarchs and their country! But for God, soul, mother, is not foreseen?
      2. -1
        27 October 2018 11: 38
        They had to rally 20 years ago. In 2007 they still planned to partner, if not to join NATO. They even went to liquidate military schools.
        1. +5
          27 October 2018 11: 59
          20 years ago, surpluses of sovereignty were still seized, the vertical was completed, there wasn’t before ... But now the roasted rooster crowed ... It’s time to ..
    3. +2
      27 October 2018 11: 41
      [quote] [/ quote] NATO is beating with a butt at the gates of the Russian Federation. And that for the first time, from the knight-dogs, Poles, Napoleon, Hitler they beat and walked through our lands, then the question is for those who come to power, from the Soviet and post-Soviet countries they diligently atomized the Russian community and suddenly remembered "Oh, and we have Russians!" to see things are bad.
    4. +1
      27 October 2018 22: 04
      Quote: gunnerminer
      This happened due to the fact that NATO is pounding the butt into the gates of the Russian Federation.

      hardly. partners w.
      But the reduction of the tax base ..... and the banal lack of people for the functioning of the economy ...
      Labor shortage! I saw an announcement on the stop post - "- Pella" a turbine operator / cutter is required (patent, accommodation, $ 1000 payment, etc.), it was doubled ... well it must be ... in Odessa an advertisement from Northern Palmyra - turbine operators are required ..
      However, we ourselves have a deficit of the same personnel .. and the same reduction in the tax base.
  17. +10
    27 October 2018 10: 55
    No matter how they wear clothes in the Kremlin, no matter how they invent, they won’t surpass Stalin. The gut is thin.
    "For the Russian people!" - a toast delivered by I.V. Stalin at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945.
    "Comrades, let me raise one more, final toast. As a representative of our Soviet government, I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people. (Loud, prolonged applause, shouts of" hurray ") I drink , first of all, to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they deserved in this war and earlier deserved the title, if you will, the leading strength of our Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have common sense, general political common sense and patience.Our government has made many mistakes , we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-42, when our army was retreating, leaving our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Leningrad region, Kar Spruce-Finnish Republic, I left, because there was no other way out. Some other people could say: you did not live up to our hopes, we will put in another government that will make peace with Germany and provide us with peace. This could have happened, keep in mind. But the Russian people did not agree to this, the Russian people did not agree to a compromise, they showed boundless confidence in our government. I repeat, we had mistakes, for the first two years our army was forced to retreat, it turned out that they did not master the events, did not cope with the situation. However, the Russian people believed, endured, waited and hoped that we would still cope with the events. It is for this trust in our government that the Russian people have shown us, thank you very much! To the health of the Russian people! "(Stormy, incessant applause)
    1. +1
      27 October 2018 11: 06
      They won’t beat them. They just remembered. They scratched their poppies on a pumpkin ..
    2. 0
      27 October 2018 11: 25
      It can be so! But where can I get it from Comrade Stalin?
    3. +3
      27 October 2018 11: 31
      The farther into the forest, the more you understand the greatness of Stalin.
    4. +4
      27 October 2018 12: 30
      The toast is good. However, one should not forget that in the Ukrainization of the Russian people, very few people can be compared with Stalin! From Stalin's speech at the 50th Congress of the RCP (b) - "... it was recently said that the Ukrainian republic and Ukrainian nationality are an invention of the Germans ... It is clear that if Russian elements still prevail in the cities of Ukraine, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized! " Of course Stalin referred to the legacy of the great leader Lenin (and by the way he was right), although even Inessa Armand called such ideas sheer nonsense! But we know Stalin was a leader too, and therefore, after the 000th Congress, a massive political campaign of Korenization began - the replacement of the Russian language with local national languages ​​in administration, education, culture ... In Ukraine, Kuban, Stavropol Territory, Kursk and Voronezh regions, it was completely official called Ukrainization! And of course Galicia, which was then part of Poland, became the supplier of personnel for this !!!!!!! The pseudo-historian Hrushevsky, fondled by the Soviet power, is such a terry nationalist and the founder of fairy-tale works of the great history of ukrov, the pseudo-historian Hrushevsky wrote: "About XNUMX people with their wives and families, young people, men have moved to the Ukrainian SSR from Galicia. Many Galicians work in the apparatus of the People's Commissariat of Education of Ukraine, in Ukrnauka ... Well, how did Comrade Khrushchev continue the Leninist-Stalinist policy of Ukrainization of the Russian people, I think there is no need to tell ?! So why are we surprised? ? Mystery of nature, honestly ...
  18. +3
    27 October 2018 11: 22
    Get fucked up! Do not get up! Do they recognize Russians? Yes, they are not! Daragia is radiant! So EBN called something? Who the hell are they for?
    With them one hassle! Now they drink like dogs, then they bark like animals! There are any little people: even Mordovians, even Yakuts, even Buryats with Dagis, I’m silent about Jews, no worries! They sit on their own villages, do not climb anywhere, the authorities do not interfere with living quietly. And these, butcher their mosquito! Neither steal, nor guard, one crap! Was smoking allowed in the Kremlin or something?
  19. +5
    27 October 2018 11: 50
    Quote: Z.O.V.
    The conclusions of anthropologists as a whole are unequivocal: Russians, by their racial origin, are typical Caucasians

    Anthropology is outdated - now the main thing is not appearance (phenotype), but direct heredity (genotype).

    The Great Russians genotype has a dominant Aryan haplogroup R1a (50%) and minor haplogroups - Illyrian I1 and I2 (15%), Ugrofin N1c1 (15%), Celtic R1b (5log) (and 1%). The notorious Mongolian haplogroup С2 is represented at the level of 1%.

    Belarusians and Little Russians have the same genotype structure, with the latter having a smaller share of the Ugrofin N1c1 (10%) offset by a larger share of the Mongolian С1 (2%), as well as the presence of the North Semitic J2 (1%), South Semitic J1% ( and the rude E1 (1%) haplogroups - the legacy of the Mongols, Khazars, Greeks and Jews.

    The Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians completely coincide with each other (as well as with all the other Slavs) and in subclades of the dominant haplogroup R1a, differing in this from the inhabitants of the Scandinavian and Anatolian peninsulas, the Iranian Highlands, Central Asia and Hindustan, which have other subclades of R1a (input haplotypes of the local population as a minor haplogroup).
    1. 0
      29 October 2018 11: 53
      Quote: Operator
      Illyrian I1 and I2

      I2 can be called Illyrian, but I1 is more Scandinavian! As well as J2 - "Mediterranean"!
      1. 0
        29 October 2018 17: 49
        "Illyrian" is the official scientific term for the place of the glacial refuge (Illyria is the territory of Yugoslavia).
        1. 0
          29 October 2018 18: 08
          Quote: Operator
          "Illyrian" - the official scientific term, after the place of the glacial shelter

          Wouldn't it be difficult for the proof to throw? Judging by the time of separation of I1 and I2, is this not the last, but the penultimate ice age?
          1. 0
            29 October 2018 20: 21
            The term "Illyrian" in relation to halo groups I1 and I2 is used in all scientific articles on population genetics and DNA genealogy without exception. Where is the full nomenclature of haplogroups from A to T, I do not know.

            In any case, the time of haplogroup formation from B to T was determined 64000 years ago, which falls on the last ice age ending 12000 years ago. Haplogroups from B to T formed in the region of Southeast Asia, from where they dispersed in different directions. In particular, the carriers of the then-uniform haplogroup I reached Europe about 55000 years ago and settled on the edge of the glaciation on the Balkan Peninsula (the haplogroup from the bone remains has been decrypted there) and, possibly, on the Iberian one (they have not yet been decrypted there).
  20. +3
    27 October 2018 12: 13
    Is the risk of ethnic conflicts really reduced so much, but the desire to emphasize the Russian identity of Crimea can be called very commendable.

    You can emphasize, especially in declarative documents that no one reads. Exactly in the same way as the May decrees are "carried out". You'd better make Sberbank work in Crimea. Likewise, the other talking shop about the "state-forming role". Reverance no more. Taxes, decrees that directly affect our life, are hitting the "patriotic upsurge" much harder. And what did they write about
    harmonization of interethnic and interreligious relations significantly reduced the risks and threats of the emergence of interethnic conflicts.
    ... What can you say here? Probably once they wrote - it is so. And if they say on the first channel, then for sure! That Dagestan is on fire, that Khodorkovsky's patrimony turns out to be in Bashkiria, an Islamic state has been built in Chechnya (perhaps one that is loyal to Russia) is nonsense. One won and this is a fact - videos where lezginka are danced have disappeared on the Internet. Probably stopped dancing. Or shoot. "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise" ©
  21. 0
    27 October 2018 12: 16
    The fact is that they recognize or do not recognize? The headline is generally clickbait. Now we need to return the disadvantages of the articles. This is also a fact.
  22. AB
    +4
    27 October 2018 12: 30
    The national republics are a relic of Soviet power. We must return to the administrative-territorial divisions of the Russian Empire. Everyone will be Russian.
  23. +3
    27 October 2018 12: 57
    Quote: Detective
    Quote: Boris55
    Russian is not a nationality. It belongs to Russian civilization. In the same way they treat European civilization as a Frenchman, German, Pole, etc. Just like the civilization of the East are the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.

    If you scrape every Russian, it turns out that he is: a glade, a drevlyanin, etc.

    ps
    It would not be a bad idea for the author to start to define: what is a nation and who are Russians, otherwise each of us understands this in his own way.

    Oh how !!! Can you imagine what you wrote ?! So I'm Russian, and my friend is Chechen - we are both citizens of Russia, but he has a nationality, but I don’t ??? Or rather, I have to determine my nationality by conducting a historical study and understand in which territory more of my ancestors lived and who they were - Krivichi, Vyatichi, Polyana, Drevlyans ... ??? Let it be known to you that in this case there are no French! Any Frenchman, if you scrape him, as you put it, will turn out to be a bit of a gall, a German, a Frank, a Norman, a Burgundian ... and now she is generally possibly more an Arab! And how do you think the French are, and Russian is not a nationality at all !!! What is the Russian people? I’ll explain it to you very simply. Let it be known to you that the term Rus appears in many sources, even the primary sources, completely unquestioned, have been preserved long before the beginning of the Novgorod rule of Rurik! Moreover, such an interesting detail - the difference between the Rus and the Slavs was determined and even emphasized by chroniclers at the time of the Prophet Oleg. But this is not for us to understand. Another interesting thing - according to many researchers of Kievan Rus (the term itself appeared at the end of the 18th and beginning of the 19th century, as a designation of temporary historical frameworks), a state called Russian preceded it and there were also a lot of indirect and direct historical evidence. Historians, researchers, writers and publicists center the Russian state (Russian Kaganate, Alan Rus on the Don ...) define the upper reaches of the Don, Northern Donets with borders outlined by the Sea of ​​Azov in the southeast, from the west by the Dnieper. Rus root is of Indo-European origin and means light, white. The river North Donets itself was simply called Rus by the Arabs. There is other evidence. Strengthening of the Slavs from the 5th to 8th centuries leads to the formation of statehood with centers in Kiev and Novgorod, and both of them bear the term Rus. In Byzantium, the most advanced and developed glades and Slavs were called dews and russians. The history of the origin of our people is inextricably linked with Ukrainians and Belarusians, who actually do not differ from the Russians! Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians are the Russian people. The Russian people do not need to determine their contribution to the creation of the Russian state as it created it! The Russian people are state-forming people! Can there be Russia without Russians! An attempt to start a discussion on the question of what a nation is and who the Russians are from the evil one! Well, let's talk in this context, who are the Jews and who are the actual Chukchi or Tatars ?! What difference does it make to us, as our fellow citizens are called abroad ?! Tatars and Chechens called Russian? Well and good! Do they perceive this normally? Also good! What's the question?! Foreigners simply also understand that the Russian people created Russia and is state-forming! For them it is natural, but questions arise for you ... Strange thing!



    The revival of Russia will begin when (not the Russians, as Eltsin said), and the Russians will feel in Russia not as outcasts, but as indigenous people. And in the constitution of the country it will be written that the Russians in Russia are the TITLE NATION. Legally! But after all, the Duma accepts the zones, but there are no Russians in the Duma. More precisely, there is a tiny percentage.
    As the unforgettable Gorbachev said - "that's where the dog rummaged."
  24. +2
    27 October 2018 12: 58
    Comrade ancestors were Bulgarians, Tatars and Ukrainians. Considers himself a Russian, albeit a swarthy little. The second mother is Belarusian, father is a crest. Lives in Minsk. Everywhere indicates that he is Russian. The third comrade, half Tajik, half Russian, also considers himself Russian, and you cannot say that there are no Russians in the family. I have all Russians in my family, but there is a suspicion that some of my Aryan blood was spoiled during the time of the Mongol-Tatar yoke.
    And what method is then used to count the Russians in the country?
    1. +2
      27 October 2018 13: 24
      Quote: Berkut24
      I have all Russians in my family, but there is a suspicion that some of my Aryan blood was spoiled during the time of the Mongol-Tatar yoke.
      And what method is then used to count the Russians in the country?

      Why did this suspicion arise? You look in the mirror, and from there the Kazakh smirks at you? In stressful situations, do you unexpectedly start using foul language in Mongolian? If your favorite song is "I am a simple Tatar man, outwardly I am a solid guy with a Russian soul ..." then you can already calm down with self-identification! Otherwise, it is better to see a psychiatrist.
    2. +5
      27 October 2018 22: 37
      The usual, normal technique - the one who thinks and speaks Russian and considers himself Russian, he is Russian.
  25. +3
    27 October 2018 13: 03
    Rules, the "elite" steals, and the state will again be rescued by the Russians?
    And who else!
  26. -6
    27 October 2018 13: 08
    I look, in the comments there are so many Captains. Evidence, everything is like selection against everything bad and for everything good: you can’t forget the language and culture, you can’t divide the people into parts. Well, right rally Kuban Russophiles. Meanwhile, the national diasporas, the very ones that you don’t like, just don’t forget their language and culture: they come to your cities, put on red shoes and drive on eggplant Lada in the opposite direction. You want not to forget your language and your culture, and they do not want. And not just passively do not want to forget, but actively want not to forget. And what will you do with them if they want their nationality the same as you - theirs? Well and idle talk! But the fact that not to forget the language and culture directly contradicts the non-separation of the people into parts is nothing? Everything is so simple with you, here you don’t forget your Russian language and culture - and everything will be fine. And it won’t become good until they raise their entire level of culture even to an understanding of what they themselves write. But it happens, rarely, when one becomes ashamed of others, but right there the hell takes it from our Natsiks and all kinds of mumbled cubanoids.
    1. +4
      27 October 2018 13: 44
      Quote: Navigator Basov
      и all mumbled cubanoids.

      Who are the "cubanoids"? And isn't your statement, and this, the name you laid out here, Nazi? By this, whom do you call "cubanoids" - do you like how you call them here? Captain obvious?
      Quote: Navigator Basov
      until they raise their entire level of culture even to the point of understanding what they themselves write.

      request
  27. +8
    27 October 2018 13: 28
    Russians are needed when the war suddenly begins to go wrong.
  28. +8
    27 October 2018 13: 29
    In my opinion, it is much more important that the Russians themselves would finally declare themselves to be strong people. Which, in fact, is true. Objectively, the Russian people turned out to be a strong people. Of course, the Russian people themselves must correct the Russophobic essence of modern Russian power in the current legislation.
  29. +2
    27 October 2018 13: 31
    "Ethnicity, ethnic community is a historically established stable group of people (tribe, nationality, nation). The main conditions for the emergence of an ethnos are common territory and language. Race differences are not decisive, and in general, as a rule, of great importance, and ethnic differences lie in sphere of behavior ". L. Gumilev. That is, belonging to an ethnos - a nationality, a nation - is, first of all, a stereotype of behavior, according to which they define - friend or foe. Dragunsky David Abramovich - twice hero of the Soviet Union - tank general. Or A.S. Pushkin is the great-grandson of the Ethiopian and many others ... A self-respecting nation, the people, are not scattered like such compatriots. From the picture, you cannot determine who is your own and who is a stranger, but you cannot hide a stereotype of behavior in your pocket. An example of this is the current talk shows on TV channels.
    1. +2
      27 October 2018 22: 42
      Pushkin was a Russian by blood as well, besides the great-grandfathers of the Ethiopian, all his other ancestors were Russian people. But General Dragunsky, a very respected man, nevertheless did not consider himself a Russian. He was quite officially considered a Jew. He was a Soviet man, a Jew by nationality.
  30. +4
    27 October 2018 14: 05
    The most common Russian surname is Smirnov. This is probably from the word meek. Here we are humbly bearing all the troubles of Russia on our shoulders, together with all the peoples inhabiting the vast expanses of our homeland. The Russians will become the backbone of the state. They will break the Russians, they will break everyone. Russia is a bunch of small local pseudo-states. A lot is now being done by the West to achieve this goal.
    1. 0
      27 October 2018 22: 11
      Quote: Alecsandr
      The most common Russian surname is Smirnov

      I will correct in the Russian Federation the most common surname.
      In Ukraine, for example, the most popular surnames are Shevchenko, Melnik and Boyko,
      in RB-Ivanov.
      In Poland, Novak ...
    2. 0
      27 October 2018 22: 42
      Actually Kuznetsov.)
    3. 0
      29 October 2018 11: 56
      Quote: Alecsandr
      This is probably from the word meek.

      It is important to remember that the word "humility" literally means "proportionality", "adequate self-esteem" - and stop confusing it with self-humiliation, which, according to Seraphim of Sarov, is "a sin more than pride" !!
  31. +9
    27 October 2018 14: 20
    It's funny when some clever people say: "Russians are not a nationality, but civilization, state ownership, the ability to think in Russian, etc., etc.", that is, there is no Russian ethnos, there are only nationalities with their flags, emblems, constitutions, presidents, national . schools, theaters, etc., and those who are Russian by blood, do not understand who, so what? lol
  32. +7
    27 October 2018 14: 41
    Quote: Pax tecum
    So who is the so-called. "power" in the end? Are the Russians common people?

    Exactly the Russians are universal people, not the native Russians!
  33. +9
    27 October 2018 14: 44
    They won't. There are no Russians in the government, and everyone else will press with all their might that then "the Russians will infringe upon them." According to official (!) Data, the percentage of Russians has already been reduced from 91 to 80. With the new laws, they want to reduce this percentage to a maximum of 8. Sorry, but this is genocide of the Russian people.
  34. 0
    27 October 2018 15: 39
    Quote: Pax tecum
    The so-called "cultural code" is only a key to understanding the type of culture, a scientific concept.
    Or, as they say in encyclopedias: "unique cultural features inherited by peoples from their ancestors; this is information encoded in some form that allows the identification of a culture."
    The cultural code of a nation helps to understand its behavioral reactions, defines folk psychology.

    Yes, everything is simple to disgrace. )))
    What distinguishes a Russian from all other nations? Maturity of thinking.
    Let me explain. From birth, a person goes through all stages of growing up. And since birth, nature has laid down the "BROTHER" philosophy. Ie, take everything from life, to the maximum (as far as others will allow), row everything for yourself, for the sake of your own survival. And this continues until a person has his own grandchildren. By this time, a person is rethinking his views / life and his life philosophy is already changing from "TAKE" to a different philosophy - "GIVE". That is, from that moment on, a person ceases to live only for himself, but begins to live / help also for the sake of other (children / grandchildren) people, some are generally selfless.
    So, Russians have this philosophy of "GIVING" very widespread at the mental level. And they feel another the same, at a glance. Even if he is not Russian, this is the most important condition under which a Russian can recognize anyone as Russian, even a Negro.
    And other nations feel this difference in the mental code very well and are afraid of it, hence all the subconscious hostility and fear of Russians. Because, having lived with the Russians, their mental code "TAKE" begins to break down, or rather, they begin to doubt its necessity.
    All of the above is purely my personal opinion - and I'm not going to defend it and go into polemic / dialectics.
  35. +4
    27 October 2018 18: 47
    Russian is the one who speaks Russian - otherwise I agree with V.F. Zhirinovsky - "Russia, as a hostel, every nation has its own room and only Russians live in the corridor" offensive, but the status of nationality must be enshrined in the constitution.
    1. +1
      27 October 2018 20: 01
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Russian is considered that

      ... who is not able to learn another language?
      Russian is not only a nationality, and not only a language. This is destiny.
      There are at least two Russian languages: 1) state, 2) non-state. Is Russian obliged to speak the state language?
      By the way, in the "German-speaking" states (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium ...) there is the concept of "Hochdeutsch" ("High German", that is, literary language, language of culture) and not all ordinary "Germans" do not know "Hochdeutsch". So your criterion is wrong. I have known many "Russians" who do not know the "high Russian language", who therefore do not know the basic scientific concepts that are necessary for joint goal-setting and actions, and people who are not Russian by mother or father, who are Russian by culture , language proficiency and mentality. At the same time, they usually speak the mother's language and have a certain connection with their "native" culture and nation.
      I'll tell you this, to understand a Russian person you need to be "a little non-Russian". Here's an example: Georgy Danelia. Review at least his "Mimino", "Kin-dza-dza". And, of course, Stalin (Dzhugashvili). Well, yes, and Zhirinovsky.
  36. -2
    27 October 2018 19: 05
    I am Russian. And do not fall into insanity and divide us in parts. We are all one. Here, for example, Gasparyan. I consider him more Russian than many.
    1. 0
      27 October 2018 22: 40
      Who is the guitarist from the "Kino" group?
  37. +4
    27 October 2018 20: 15
    ..... here everything is deeper .... apartheid. !!! ...... often apartheid is compared with Nazism and fascism. But in fact, this is a much more tragic and catastrophic phenomenon. Since fascism in Italy and Nazism in Germany were established in the interests of the vast majority of the indigenous population with discrimination of an absolute minority. Apartheid in Russia is the absolute power of an absolute minority and the actual suppression of rights and the infringement of the interests of the vast majority. Apartheid in Russia is the pinnacle of foreign terror, enslavement and discrimination of the indigenous population, never achieved before: neither under the notorious Tatar-Mongol “yoke” nor Hitler’s occupation. Under the current regime, we live in a camouflaged and therefore even more immoral, cynical and merciless tyranny of a handful of foreigners over tens and hundreds of millions of Russians. To hide this fact, the authorities removed the “nationality” column from their passports and, under pain of reprisal for “manifestations of extremism and Russian fascism,” prohibit public discussion of the national question .......
    1. +2
      28 October 2018 15: 32
      That's right. Moreover, there is a direct continuity of the organization of power that existed 1000 years ago in the Khazar Khaganate: Khagan and Bek. One of them, according to modern concepts, was the president (a media figure, a doll), and the other led the president behind the scenes. If you understand and accept exactly the POWER in the current RF, then everything becomes clear and explainable. It remains to be able to look behind the curtain and get the puppeteers out of there.
  38. +6
    27 October 2018 21: 08
    Our liberal tolerance for the sake of the West has led to the fact that in a number of regions we have long ruled the national majority even if their number is not!
  39. +4
    27 October 2018 22: 07
    Quote: 1536
    In my opinion, do not do this! And it's time to stop all this orgy in the media about what Russians are. The Russian people, he is the Russian people, as if some of the representatives of other nationalities with "honors" would not want to understand, but how to identify him. According to the census, over 80% of us are Russians. What other "identifications" are needed?
    All this, excuse me, mouse fuss over the "national question" is reminiscent of the fuss over the creation of the so-called Communist Party of the RSFSR in June 1990. Behind the words that there is the Communist Party of the Uzbek SSR or the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR, but there is no Communist Party in the RSFSR, there was a Jesuit desire to divide everything, everyone and everything in our country. Then it was still limited to the political organization of the state and, apparently, the financial component. But it became clear that no one would save the country from collapse. And a few months later, the USSR rested in the Bose.
    "Fear the Danes who bring gifts." Once again, this ancient wisdom comes to mind.

    Aha ... And Putin will say about the same, give the same "arguments" when he does not sign the amendment.
  40. +1
    27 October 2018 22: 48
    Where did the author get the figure for 91% of Russians in 1993? About 90% of us were in the Russian Federation in the early 85s, now a little more than 80%.
  41. +4
    27 October 2018 23: 01
    Justification of the people is a long cultural and political issue, I don’t believe in it overnight. I probably live in this country for a long time and I don’t see how Kazan is flourishing, Grozny is being built. I am not against Tatars, Chechens and other nationalities, this is not a contrast the continuation of the Soviet policy of supporting national minorities. It was then decided that Azerbaijan and R were on a privileged basis and subsidies were allocated to them. You look at what they represent the cities of central Russia, but nothing changes.
    Was in Voronezh recently and just fell into horror. In the center of the ancient city are modern hotels made of glass and concrete.
    1. +4
      28 October 2018 11: 57
      And you do not assume that many Voronezh residents like tall buildings made of glass and concrete? In fact, a city with a million people. Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk is no worse than Kazan. And, by the way, half of the population of Kazan is Russian, and in some areas of the city they prevail.
  42. +5
    28 October 2018 04: 36
    The Russian nation was able to evolve and unite peoples, having received a state capable of competing with the strongest nations, capable of developing science and art, mastering vast spaces and going out into space. Without the Russian nation, there is no pivot in the state’s state structure and it is doomed to collapse, the first stage of which occurred in the 91st and 30 million Russians remaining in the so-called republics are now intensely forcibly assimilated, the Russian language is banned everywhere, including education. The next stage will be the collapse of the Russian Federation and the assimilation of Russians into small peoples of the Caucasus, Tataria, Bashkiria, etc.
  43. -4
    28 October 2018 09: 14
    If the Russian Federation continues to move towards strengthening the national characteristic as fundamental, then this is simply a dead end and we will come to fragmentation, the national characteristic will corrode the Russian Federation. It is necessary to introduce over the national concept something like "Russian" can somehow be different, but not the essence of how, and then with a hot iron all nationalistic inclinations such as local languages, rituals, clothes and way of life are burned out with a hot iron. And this should equally apply to the Tatars and Buryats and the peoples of the Caucasus and the Russians in one word to all without exception, if there is normal propaganda of inadequately harsh punishments in 30-50 years, unity can be achieved.
  44. +2
    28 October 2018 10: 54
    The solidarity of our society, I consider the main thing that should be present in Russia. And the search for the behavior of both the main nationality and national minorities should be sought in the proportion of those living
    In one of the programs of Vesti, the presenter playfully asked an authoritative cleric. "Tell me, what
    can I eat during Great Lent? "He looked at her heavily and said," The main thing is not to eat each other. "
  45. +1
    28 October 2018 13: 01
    Yes, everything will be okay - and this document will be signed. After all the wildest blunders of our GlavShaman, for all his "successes" in warming up the atmosphere inside the country - simply need to throw a bone a huge part of the electorate (ie, we, Russian). Well, and quit - it still does not oblige to anything ...
  46. +3
    28 October 2018 14: 50
    Dear compatriots!
    As I am also dealing with this issue as much as I can, let me express my opinion.
    1. RUSSIAN - this is the name of the people (as well as an individual person - RUSSIAN), having a combination of attributes: knowledge of the Russian language, commitment to a community worldview (living the whole world - one for all and all for everyone), guiding one’s conscience in one’s life, possession of morality , a sense of responsibility, shame, honor, the ability to be guided by one’s life by the wisdom of the ancestors, expressed in Russian proverbs and sayings: “one for all and all for everyone”, “disappear yourself, and help your comrade”, “speak on business, live according to conscience ”,“ we are all people, but not all people ”and many others. others. None of these characteristics, taken separately, is sufficient to define the concept of RUSSIAN. Moreover, the absence of at least one of these signs is enough for RUSSIAN or RUSSIAN to cease to be RUSSIAN ... Only the presence of all the signs taken together gives us the full concept of RUSSIAN.

    But what if guided by such a definition, it turns out, it is difficult to be RUSSIAN? Not everyone can do it?
    Let each of us look into ourselves and ask ourselves - “WHO AM I?” Without guile and without a certificate of blood type. I know that this is not easy, but for some it is very difficult to look into yourself and ... not to see RUSSIAN in yourself. And, if not RUSSIAN, then who? .. A native of Russians? Former Russian? Stopped being Russian? Having lost your Russianness?
    I live in Germany and see here Russian Germans who came to Germany for permanent residence, so they all take offense at the locals that they DO NOT take them for their own, that is, they call Germans Russen. Why, you ask? Because, as our poet wrote, they "smell of the Russian spirit." And the Germans can smell it. That is, Russian Germans are ideologically more Russian in terms of German Germans than Germans.
    And so in Russia the so-called Russian, from which this Russian spirit does not smell, is ALREADY not Russian. This is clear?

    2. Well, and who are we in general - the RUSSIAN PEOPLE?
    I deduced the following definition:
    RUSSIAN PEOPLE is a stable community that has developed over many thousands of years and lives on the territory of Eurasia, committed to the idea of ​​self-sufficiency and harmony of living with the outside world and their own kind, leading a community lifestyle according to the “one for all and all for everyone” rule, considering the surrounding a living and rational world, and oneself an inextricable part of this world, guided by the law “what you sow, you will reap”, possessing Conscience, a sense of Measure, guided by Justice in empowering each member of society with rights and obligations, unidirectional in Thought, Word and Action.

    It can be seen here that the Rus as a tribe, in ancient times possessed a worldview that allowed other peoples who liked such a worldview to reunite with the Rus and be called Russians according to the worldview of the Rus, and not by blood, that is, the primacy of blood began to become secondary, and the worldview or, as I say, adherence to the ideology of the Russians, “to live in the Community according to Conscience and Justice - one for all and all for everyone” came to the fore.

    THIS ALL SAYS THAT WE SIMPLY NEED TO DEVELOP NEW CRITERIA AND GIVE A DEFINED DEFINITION TO THE CONCEPTS "RUSSIAN" AND "RUSSIAN PEOPLE".
    So let's work in this direction. First of all, we need it.

    I describe such questions in more detail here: http://knig-oboz.ru
  47. +2
    28 October 2018 15: 25
    While the intelligentsia is arguing about concepts, the process of forced assimilation in the republics (historical territories of Russian residence) is in full swing and has only accelerated after the Crimea. Forced assimilation is humanitarian genocide. This question must be raised at the UN and demand an immediate end to assimilation, impose sanctions, otherwise our people without war will lose another 20 million Russians.
    The protection of Russian people, their rights and interests should be carried out regardless of their place of residence and citizenship, then other fraternal peoples, together with the Russian, will feel more confident.
  48. +3
    28 October 2018 15: 54
    Lieutenant General Leonid Reshetnikov says:
    "We were in Chechnya not so long ago, we have a branch of the" Two-Headed Eagle "there. We held a meaningful conference. Then we were invited to dinner. About thirty Chechens and five of us. There is also a meal without drinks, so all conversations are absolutely sober. "To me, Prince Trubetskoy, to the other members of the delegation, they say: listen, when will you become Russians? We are tired of you. Well, become Russians! Well, live like Russians. We want you to be Russians. And then, they say, everything will work out for us."

    Dear compatriots, what do you say on IT? Maybe we ourselves ceased to be Russian? Maybe from the side more visible to others?
    Let's at least estimate, since when and why we could stop being Russian and how to define in general - who is "Russian"? Maybe we ourselves have not noticed since when we have lost our Russianness? Maybe since then, as they were divided in their worldview and some decided to continue living for themselves and for others, while others - for themselves at the expense of others? And the Bolsheviks seemed to have eliminated the exploitation of man by man, but by default it was not eliminated and continued to exist. Social parasitism is an infectious thing and they began to introduce this infection to us with the words "take everything from life!" And many have become infected. In the USSR, they fought with this infection, but that is why they banged the USSR so that this infection flourished in the heads of people. After all, when everyone is a little parasite, then no one is looking for the main parasite. And this is - "stop being Russian".
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  50. +2
    29 October 2018 10: 58
    There is no Russian people in Russia legally. But the "Russian" article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - is! To the hell of the PZhivchikov sold to Pin.dos.tan!
  51. +3
    29 October 2018 13: 23
    80% is a lot or a little, it’s enough for now, but just like concrete in which there is little cement will crumble under load, so Russia without Russians will fall apart into proud and independent peoples and they will roll in different directions, someone will get lost, someone will be washed away by the flood , someone will be built into a new building, but not at the forefront, but as a foundation for other nations. Take care of the Russians, we don’t know how to take care of ourselves.
  52. -1
    29 October 2018 14: 15
    Division into nations is an anachronism used by leaders to maintain order in the herd and mobilize in wartime.
  53. +2
    29 October 2018 20: 43
    Not quite on topic: the girl in the photo starred in a folk group video clip! Otava Yo - Oh, Dusya, oh, Marusya (Cossack Lezginka). I watch and listen on YouTube. Great pleasure! smile
  54. +1
    29 October 2018 23: 19
    There are many Russian people on Earth. Give a cry (only explicitly) and you will be surprised at their number. These are modest, mostly simple and sincere people, but you can’t offend or anger them... I don’t recommend it...
  55. 0
    30 October 2018 10: 59
    Recognize or not recognize... What is there to talk about? This fact will definitely not affect the policy pursued by the current government.
    But if they accept it, we can discuss it.
  56. 0
    3 November 2018 08: 24
    I’ll express my opinion - I have the idea that Russians often include Jews and Kalmyks and Evenki Tatars and Chechens... they say this is because a Russian is a resident of Russia without taking into account nationality, but let’s say Evenks, they are not only Russians but also Evenks and just Russians began to call themselves Slavs, but the Slavs are already Germans and Poles and Ukrainians and Finns... and there are also Russians, that is, let’s say the Evenks are also Russians and Russians, I can’t clearly explain why and whether this is even so, but I I think against the background of this confusion, that same Russian culture is blurred, if only because calling it Slavic doesn’t seem right, Russian? But what about the Evenks, Jews...
  57. -1
    4 November 2018 20: 08
    Quote: Boris55
    And it is right. Russian is not a nationality.

    Citizens! Relax!
    “There are different types of psychos... not violent, but dirty.
    They are treated, starved, their orderlies beat.
    And what’s surprising is that everyone walks without restraints.
    And whatever they bring to them, all these psychos eat."
    The country was just like Kanatchik's dacha... and remains so. The essence is the same.
    That’s why in Europe we are all “kanatchikovs” - from the same Madhouse. And they don’t want, the vile ones, to consider us different.
    And we are really different: some are from the violent department, others are just schizophrenic dreamers, there are also oligophrenics... there are even recovering representatives. Each group lived on its own floor and under its own sign... together we were fraternal peoples united and powerful!
    The Politburo sat at the top and vigilantly ensured that our life proceeded quietly and smoothly - sometimes they sent “orderlies” and they explained to us how to hold a spoon to our mouth and that picking our teeth with a fork is not very aesthetically pleasing.
    The quiet ones immediately realized such joy of being... but the violent ones from separate, distant from the center chambers sometimes resisted. That’s why the punishment cell was never empty. But all this happened, especially in recent years, everything was somehow kind... one might even say - like a family. So we kind of began to consider each other brothers... and, I might add, sisters.
    Even (miracles) began to be allowed to pray... well, not really allowed, but they looked at it with half an eye. They say that the sick... well, what can you take from them! Although surveillance over those recovering never weakened.
    By the way, stealing from each other, and especially the national property of the Madhouse, was strictly prohibited! But usually they stole... and not a little, but quietly.
    And now other times have come.
    First, a marked one appeared at the top... who thought that if Perestroika started, food would appear in the dining room... He was naive... or just a pest - we didn’t immediately understand that. But the people were stunned by the overwhelming happiness. The Baltic department hung barbed wire on the doors... and they themselves dug a hole in the wall, almost like a window to Europe, only bigger. Almost everyone fled there... Their department now felt empty and bitter.
    And time also fled inexorably! The marked bear understood everything and was terribly offended by everyone...
    A popularly elected, democratically dear one appeared... and always drunk. He somehow even fell off a bridge... or maybe he fell down the stairs? Well, clearly - drunk. From the locals, a former Sverdlovsk resident, so to speak. For those who don’t know, this is not far from the cold punishment cell.
    It’s true that life has not gotten better, although some (especially former orderlies) have become rich to the point of hiccups. We lived straight from the comfort of the kitchen... well, next to Red Square. There, by the way, they belched and shit in the corners... They became very respected people - the elite.
    So that the rest... don't die... the elite decided to open all the doors. And it didn’t hurt to ventilate the kitchen... the stench from there was off the charts.
    Go, all of you, said the elite, ... and not just go, but go ... in search of food.
    And the hungry and sick people rushed beyond the borders of their former empire.
    And there!
    It seems everyone is rolling around in cheese and the milky shores are visible. And the landfills are richer.
    But they don’t divide us into national branches... they just call everyone in a row - by the name of the house... This is not a nationality... and not even a diagnosis, you can tolerate it.
    But sometimes it even gets ridiculous - for example, a person from Kuev’s department will come... and for them he too... is like everyone else? The Chukhons are not understanding!
    Come on... we have a different joy. We gnaw and punch each other in the face... somewhere without the same enthusiasm. And somewhere, near Kuev, only the former brothers get a taste.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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