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Petrol ultimatum or the dictatorship of the oil proletariat?

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Gasoline prices in Russia are growing almost always. Now, it seems, should grow again: relatively cheap stocks are running out. And this is despite the expensive oil, as before, despite the fact that consumers have less money, and the heads of financial departments from TV screens and Duma tribunes assure us that there is no inflation in Russia at all. Meanwhile, what is about to happen, with our budgetary and tax rules of the game, could have happened much earlier. And topwar.ru wrote about this more than once.




But, as you know, how many do not call the bell, and the fire will have to extinguish the fire. Will it be done now? It is unlikely, compared with the pension reform, a couple of extra rubles to the price of gasoline are mere trifles. People swallow. And some in general - let, they say, drive less. Especially since the summer season is the one who is smarter, has long since closed, and many do not even switch to winter tires, putting the car on the joke. Until next spring.

Oilmen have very successfully chosen the time to talk with the executive power, and no one can prove that it was the government who chose the time and place for the rendezvous. No, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has not yet condescended to the oilmen, sending to meet with them on Wednesday 24 October, like Pushkin’s “his younger brother”. Vice Prime Minister Kozak, also Dmitry, who oversees the oil industry. He seemed to have a hard time, it was necessary not only to state that today the very same fuel crisis, which more than once was able to postpone, was already knocking on the door ...

First, before the final of the world football championship, then before the completion of elections in the regions, finally - until the end of the harvesting campaign.

Dmitry Kozak tried to reassure the oil industry workers by informing them that “the government is monitoring the unstable situation with the price of oil and the ruble exchange rate and wants to get away from manually controlling the market for oil products.” According to the vice-premier, last week, a fairly high level of prices on world markets (for oil. - Auth.) Put pressure on domestic prices for motor fuel, however, the situation has been maintained for now. “We discussed with the oil companies possible options to stop the manual control on the market, the state has various regulatory mechanisms,” D. Kozak said.

And now we must also recognize that the whole thing is not in the growth of oil prices, which, unfortunately, is not, but in what the government itself has done since spring. That is, in the increase in VAT, which hit all, but in oil refining too concretely, and in increasing the mineral extraction tax, which led to a rise in prices of almost all services related to oil production. At the same time, the entire positive effect of the reduction in excise taxes, which was turned in the beginning of summer, has already passed. Firstly, the oil industry itself has eaten it, but also the transfer of a significant part of excise taxes to refined products worked.

It turns out that the tax maneuver, as the experts warned, hit primarily for processing. The factories, having no more opportunities to operate at a loss, in the last three or four weeks have added up to 6 percent to wholesale prices. It is not surprising that the messages from the meeting itself were similar to front-line reports, it was there that the maxim about the bells sounded, it was often said that many gas stations were already working at a loss. Independent gas stations are already forced to raise prices, losing customers, but at least not losing the minimum profits.

After the meeting with the vice-premier, it became clear to everyone that our main oilmen, in any case, would have to somehow keep their word and fulfill their commitments made a few months ago. The market leaders, vertically integrated oil companies, kept prices at the same level as of June, counting not only on the reduction of excise, but also on compensation for the sale of fuel in the domestic market at agreed prices.

It was about compensation among other things that the oilmen spoke with Dmitry Kozak. In response, he recalled support measures that still worked somehow. According to the vice-premier, “various mechanisms for influencing the market were discussed, in case there would be extreme leaps per barrel or a significant weakening of the ruble exchange rate, we agreed on various tools to influence the market, and we are confident that this will allow us to keep the situation in the market. " However, according to experts of the Russian Fuel Union (uniting independent gas stations), at the moment, the measures taken have not only exhausted themselves, but cannot even provide refining operations at the level of profitability.

Meanwhile, the industry is in dire need of modernization, otherwise in Russia there will very soon be an acute crisis of high-quality, environmentally friendly fuel. There is a danger that if the rise in oil prices resumes, refineries will run into an 15-percent increase in customs duties on fuel provided for by law. In the same fuel union, they believe that this may simply “kill processing”, and small refineries will be the first to die. As now, many independent gas stations are teetering on the verge of closure. Interestingly, Alexei Sazonov, the director of the tax department of the Ministry of Finance, fully agrees with the independent experts.

Experts from the Ministry of Energy and the Ministry of Finance, who received more complete information about the meeting with the Deputy Prime Minister, do not consider the situation to be so critical. They remind of the completion of the notorious tax maneuver by the beginning of 2019 of the year, which should nevertheless help to balance the prices in the domestic market with the export ones, which will also avoid fuel shortages. In addition, an official from the Ministry of Finance recalled some damping mechanisms, but has not yet named them.

On the other hand, quite original ideas have been voiced to use the State Reserve bins to fill the market of the bins, to create a state fund where surplus fuel will be surrendered during a period of low demand, and also to introduce licensing of fuel exports. In accordance with the latter idea, licenses will be issued to those who continue to continuously supply a certain amount of fuel to the domestic market. In essence, the proposal is not too different from the practice now adopted by large companies for the mandatory sale of part of the fuel in the domestic market. But through the exchange. Which for some reason does not really listen to the instructions of the officials ...
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  1. please
    please 26 October 2018 04: 34
    +31
    Do not talk, but 100 rubles per liter is the immediate goal. And there is no alternative ..
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 26 October 2018 05: 53
      +27
      I'm afraid to imagine distant goals. And an alternative. "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 26 October 2018 08: 23
        +39
        Quote: Michael m
        I'm afraid to imagine distant goals. And an alternative. "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"

        Why is it pointless? Merciless yes ... but if it happens, then it will definitely make sense ..
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 07
          -23
          Quote: Svarog
          then the meaning in it will definitely be ..

          Well, open the meaning of rebellion (Maidan)?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 26 October 2018 10: 13
            +34
            Quote: NEOZ
            Quote: Svarog
            then the meaning in it will definitely be ..

            Well, open the meaning of rebellion (Maidan)?

            There was no point in the Maidan - some thieves replaced the others, but in the 1917 revolution there was a point .. and thanks to this revolution Russia still exists ..
            1. CALL.
              CALL. 26 October 2018 11: 11
              +35
              "The government is monitoring the unstable situation with the price of oil and the ruble and wants to get away from manual control of the oil market."

              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 28
                -20
                Quote: Z.O.V.
                government monitors volatile situation

                great picture !!!
                You can also have other rollers here for the same period:
                lifespan
                number of killings
                number of fatal accidents
                number of beggars
                number of foreign cars
                number of new housing commissioned
                etc.
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 26 October 2018 11: 40
                  +27
                  Well, add another amount of outstanding loans, closed schools and hospitals, enterprises.
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 26 October 2018 12: 06
                    -16
                    Quote: Korax71
                    amount of outstanding loans

                    so the growth of the poor? right?
                    and if the number of beggars grows, then the number of foreign cars cannot grow! as well as the number of built (sold) apartments !!!!
                    or are you manipulating? so that in 1999 only a crazy person could take a loan !!! at 34% per annum !!!!!
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                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 15: 24
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Russian Empire, USSR and Federation. Compare?

                        the picture shows only the period of the reign of GDP ....
                      2. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 26 October 2018 16: 53
                        +11
                        Quote: Svarog
                        RF today:

                        A loaf of bread (900 g) 16 rubles .; Sausage 200 rub. for 1 kg; beef 180 rub. for 1 kg; bus travel (St. Petersburg) 14 rubles; high-quality jacket 5-7 thousand rubles. ; boots 3-4 thousand rubles.

                        Where do you live I want to move to you!
                        We
                        A loaf of bread (800 g) - 24 rubles .;
                        sausage 280 rub. for 1 kg;
                        beef 320 rub. for 1 kg;
                        bus fare - 14 rubles (preferential), 18 rubles (commercial);
                        high-quality jacket 8-10 thousand rubles .;
                        boots 5-6 thousand rubles.
                      3. Svarog
                        Svarog 26 October 2018 17: 06
                        +9
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Quote: Svarog
                        RF today:

                        A loaf of bread (900 g) 16 rubles .; Sausage 200 rub. for 1 kg; beef 180 rub. for 1 kg; bus travel (St. Petersburg) 14 rubles; high-quality jacket 5-7 thousand rubles. ; boots 3-4 thousand rubles.

                        Where do you live I want to move to you!
                        We
                        A loaf of bread (800 g) - 24 rubles .;
                        sausage 280 rub. for 1 kg;
                        beef 320 rub. for 1 kg;
                        bus fare - 14 rubles (preferential), 18 rubles (commercial);
                        high-quality jacket 8-10 thousand rubles .;
                        boots 5-6 thousand rubles.

                        These are the prices of 2013)) today the prices are much higher))
                      4. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 17: 21
                        -19
                        Quote: Svarog
                        These are the prices of 2013)) today the prices are much higher))

                        I do not know of any able-bodied person whose sn 12000 rubles.
                        I'm 40 years old. my environment (classmates) live about the same +/-.
                        minimum salary 25-27 tr (handyman at a state-owned enterprise), all the rest from 45 to 3 million (local oligarch laughing ), an average of about 60 tr .....
                      5. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 26 October 2018 20: 05
                        +9
                        Here you are a storyteller so storyteller! People and 7200 have a salary and 5700. The average is somewhere around 15, 20 is good, but for 30 you will live at work! Well, 50 you will receive if the head or deputy. Of course they go on shift.
                      6. Konatantin 1992
                        Konatantin 1992 31 October 2018 09: 50
                        0
                        I have this, there is a question for you)) Where do you live? probably beyond the Urals? According to statistics, here in the Novosibirsk region we also have sn 28 thousand with a plus, but I get TR 19, and there are people who get 9,10,12 thousand, they live with children, they pay a month and loans. This is scary
                      7. ROBIN-SON
                        ROBIN-SON 26 October 2018 23: 32
                        +1
                        Well, you blurted out. In St. Petersburg are these prices? You would have quoted prices in 1913 in St. Petersburg as an example!
                      8. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 17: 17
                        -10
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Where do you live I want to move to you!

                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        salary in the modern RF - 10-12 thousand rubles.

                        the answer is there ....
                      9. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 26 October 2018 17: 24
                        +22
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        the answer is there ....

                        In 2006, I earned the equivalent of $ 500, in 2008 the equivalent of $ 1000, in 2012 about $ 800, in 2015 about 1000-1100. Now I can’t find at the place of residence anything equivalent to 300-350. Perhaps I should consider that I began to live better? Despite the fact that for 2 years I lost my ability to work, but the commission refused to establish disability for the period of my disability. Thanks to the Russian government for the tireless care of me, yes ...
                      10. _Sergei_
                        _Sergei_ 1 November 2018 18: 21
                        0
                        Move to us., Rubtsovsk, Altai Territory. Prices are slightly cheaper, but there is no work.
                    2. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 13: 45
                      +5
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      and if the number of beggars grows, then the number of foreign cars cannot grow!

                      Well, why, a Datsun-Japanese foreign car assembled in Russia for credit beggars fellow
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 15: 25
                        -3
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        Datsun-Japanese foreign car

                        % among foreign cars of this brand is extremely small ...
                      2. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 26 October 2018 20: 10
                        +3
                        The presence of a foreign car is not an indicator of a good life. You can have a decent-looking foreign car but killed inside. This is clearly seen in car services. You can see in the internet. Yes, and these owners are eager to buy cheaper parts and oil.
                      3. Maksus
                        Maksus 26 October 2018 22: 19
                        0
                        I have a foreign car (a kind of stupid word, as if other cars exist) and it is serviced normally, since there are no expenses other than consumables for 5 years. But as for the RFP, as I had on 2011 1000-1500 $, I still have it now, no scales have changed, where is the growth? A bus ride in St. Petersburg is already 40₽.
                      4. Egg
                        Egg 30 October 2018 13: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Maksus
                        I had $ 2011-1000 for 1500, and now I have it, neither the scales have changed

                        Do you get a salary in dollars? so you’re lucky, I’ll tell you our little secret: in Russia we pay wages in rubles, here in rubles it (wages) has not changed at all, but the dollar exchange rate has risen significantly and prices too. Hence the conclusion: salary fell, and significantly.
                        We were generally told that you should not expect any rise in wages due to inflation. The neighbors demanded, they recalculated the tariff rates and raised them by 4%, but all sorts of allowances and bonuses were removed, as a result, the salary fell by 40% ... this is the kind of arithmetic from the "masters of life" Because we sit quietly, like mice under a broom laughing
                        And we watch how they broadcast from TV about unprecedented salary increases in Russia in 2018 ...
                      5. Maksus
                        Maksus 2 November 2018 07: 28
                        0
                        No in rubles, this is the equivalent value indicated. In rubles, it has grown, but in terms of purchasing power, everything is there.
                    3. kitt409
                      kitt409 26 October 2018 18: 29
                      0
                      Now there are those who take under 700, 800, 900)
                    4. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 26 October 2018 21: 50
                      0
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      so the growth of the poor? right?

                      no, their reduction due to extinction
                  2. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 26 October 2018 12: 11
                    -27
                    Quote: Korax71
                    closed schools and hospitals

                    those. people stopped treating? and as a result, the mortality rate should be high, and life expectancy reduced ... but in fact the opposite is true ...
                    if schools close, then there’s nowhere for children to study? those. should education level fall? or are you manipulating again ....
                    ps
                    somewhere I already saw these manipulations ..... only where ????? .......
                    and!!!!! remembered !!!!!!
                    in bulk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    you are bulk !!!!!!!!
                    or his adherent?
                    1. KERMET
                      KERMET 26 October 2018 14: 25
                      +7
                      tie to watch Navalny smile
                    2. CALL.
                      CALL. 26 October 2018 16: 53
                      +13
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      if schools close, then there’s nowhere for children to study? those. should education level fall? or are you manipulating again ....

                      The results of international school olympiads from 2009 - 2018
                      International Mathematical Olympiad:
                      China - five first, three second, two third places, USA - three first, two second, three third places, South Korea - two first, one second one third place, Russia two second and one third place.
                      International Physical Olympiad:
                      China - eight first places, Taiwan one first. Russia is one first, one third place.
                      In Soviet times, schoolchildren regularly took first places, sometimes second, very rarely third.
                      Results of the mathematical olympiad for 2017. Russia team 11th place.

                      Do you think the level of our education is falling or increasing?
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 17: 26
                        -16
                        Quote: Z.O.V.
                        In Soviet times, schoolchildren regularly occupied

                        in Soviet times, the population was 350 million people, and now 140 million is 40% of the nominal ... if you multiply the achievements of the USSR by 0.4, then the result will be the same, or maybe worse ..... here in the olympiads the medal indicator on the population in the Russian Federation more than in the USSR !!!!!!
                      2. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 17: 11
                        -5
                        Rises. Soviet education, with its high demands, was imprisoned for a small percentage of the smart and talented, the rest simply did not master the school curriculum, memorizing at best, and, as a result, after a couple of years forgetting even what they crammed. As a result, we got entire generations, as if they had not studied the natural science cycle at all, from the late 80s they had been attacked by religion, believing clairvoyants, witches, telekinesis, drummers, etc.
                      3. netmag
                        netmag 28 October 2018 09: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        as if they hadn’t studied the natural science cycle at all, since the late 80s they have been attacked by religion, believing clairvoyants, witches, telekinesis, drums, etc.

                        I've also been at school since the mid-80s. And he was neither a genius, nor even an excellent pupil, but something didn’t hit it all. And on the other hand - now, at the moment of the present - obscurantists have died out? Religion-hit few? And where did the landowners come from?
                      4. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 28 October 2018 23: 04
                        -1
                        I'm about the general phenomenon. Where did so many believers come from if everyone studied according to the Soviet system? What is this if not a true criterion for the quality of education? People elementary worldview can not bring in accordance with the scientific picture of the world, what else to talk about.
                      5. kitt409
                        kitt409 30 October 2018 10: 47
                        -1
                        And why compare faith with education ?? Miscellaneous is)
                    3. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 26 October 2018 17: 01
                      +16
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      those. people stopped treating?

                      Yes. If you do not have money, they will treat you extremely reluctantly and with a huge delay. I have been waiting for spinal surgery for 2 years. Yes, and rehabilitation is also completely at their own expense. And it’s good if you live in a metropolis or a regional center, there you at least have a chance to find a rehabilitation doctor, albeit for money.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      and as a result, the mortality rate should be high, and life expectancy reduced ... but in fact the opposite is true ...

                      The mortality rate is now higher than in the late USSR.
                      Some increase in life expectancy is the inertia of the world's best healthcare system in the late USSR, which continued to function somehow until the end of the 90s. In 20-30 years, Russia expects a sharp decrease in life expectancy.
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 26 October 2018 17: 29
                        -10
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        The mortality rate is now higher than in the late USSR.

                        it's not about the USSR! everything is clear with the USSR.
                        we are talking about a picture with the rising cost of gasoline under the presidency of Putin ...
                        ps
                        in the USSR, everything was not going smoothly .... with alcoholism in particular ....
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 26 October 2018 17: 57
                        +15
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        in the USSR, everything was not going smoothly .... with alcoholism in particular ....

                        and now all teetotalers?
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                      4. kitt409
                        kitt409 27 October 2018 21: 35
                        +1
                        you have an original approach bully
                        But even if you assume that this is your personal opinion and you have the right to it, of course, but the question immediately arises - is it now better?
                        For 0,1 percent of the population, it is possible - BUT for the majority of the population, a primitive struggle for physical survival and nothing more
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                      6. kitt409
                        kitt409 27 October 2018 22: 35
                        -2
                        I say and write, what I saw, what I experienced myself, well, it’s also not possible without other people's stories - only those whom I have known for a long time and who will not “whistle” just like that)
                        And we before talking about the number of cars or about several other things talked about?)
                        then the car is a symbol of prosperity but also a considerable headache) go find where to repair, and the wipers took off NOT just like that, so this is NOT an indicator, I was probably lucky about vegetables, in this regard the teacher turned out to be good, competent, practical and quick-witted, so that rotten vegetables were NOT brought up, the family was supplied with vegetables in a slightly different system than through shops and vegetable depots) all you had to do was want and figure out, and that’s all ...
                        About the years in the queue - this is where it is, and the overpayment is at times, again, looking at what and for what)
                        And it’s the color body that’s the main thing? Without it in any way? At our time, our grandmother said that she didn’t need one, and that didn’t cause any special problems)
                        Yes, and the "general deficit" - well, a very interesting phenomenon, at first I did not understand everything, they just said, go there, you will have to buy this and that - when I got older, I figured it out - everyone knew about everything when, what, and even about how much) ) they didn’t live the way they often did NOW - HCHV, did they live normally, like neighbors, but now? I’m still fine, but not all of them ...
                        And about Peter - a little earlier, for a few years in the same city they were a bit surprised - in the store, standing in line, asked the seller when they bought the cheese, did you cut it? This was not accepted here, it was new, yes)))
                        And there’s nothing else, good, that there’s nothing now, then there was nothing ???
                        Do you personally want to see everything then strictly in black - this is your right and your opinion, I have something else - it was both bad and good, and which is better - compared to today, this is an extremely difficult and quite capacious issue, in my opinion. ..
                      7. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 23: 25
                        -1
                        We talked about the standard of living, and now for some reason we can’t get over cars, although we need good money to maintain and repair the car (and you won’t get rid of a car mechanic with a bottle of vodka, as in the union).
                        Wow, didn’t go to the basement vegetable shops? I still remember this smell of raw vegetables, small dirty potatoes, all in late blight. I had a duty to clean it, so for all my life I learned to masterly with a knife, with one tape, cut both eyes and scab at once. About the same thing with tomatoes, cucumbers, onions - it was as if they trampled for a long time and carefully and dumped it in the mud. According to statistics, up to 30% of the vegetable harvest in the USSR rotted for storage. And everyone had a poker - that was such a real ideology, total nonsense.
                        So color television has existed for 30 years already, hello! It's as if now xDSL Internet was ONLY appearing in Russia and cost tens of thousands of rubles for connection. And those who like to be patient would say - why do you need a dedicated channel, sit on dial up, "we don’t need your Internet!" (C)

                        Yeah, to guard the delivery, to stand in the 3-hour queue, being marked in the list - it's just a dream!

                        Poverty brings together, that’s the thing. Where to go, where to go it was possible, just like that, without the knowledge of the trade union committee (distributing permits)? Yes, nowhere, no cars, no summer cottages, no out-of-town entertainments, so almost all my life passed in the house and in the yard, in front of the neighbors. The apartment, again, state-owned, it is almost impossible to move somewhere, where you live there and die, most likely because there were good relations - there was nowhere to go.
                        Yes, a typical story "then stood and the girls gave" - ​​people are nostalgic for their youth / youth, TRANSFERRING personal feelings for the whole era. And the era was rotten, through and through false and disingenuous, thanks to this, the Soviet system collapsed almost instantly - which is built on lies and violence, cannot withstand a time of change.
                      8. kitt409
                        kitt409 28 October 2018 08: 44
                        0
                        First, about the transfer of personal - PERSONALLY I have no problems with that now), but about the rottenness of ALL ERA - I have a different opinion, and about the details of what you wrote earlier - color television, say 7A lot of things to watch there? Hockey, yes, I haven’t really liked football since then, especially compared with live walking, we had such an opportunity in the city.
                        You already wrote about washers, mother is an engineer, grandmother is retired, but we had no special material problems.
                        As for the contents of the car, I agree, but about the repair NOW - this is not the first car in the family, and not only mine, my relatives have the same story, BUT here is the repair - for all the time some rubber band has been glued, that's all)
                        AND ABOUT WHAT YOU WRITE - "... Where to go, where to go was it possible, just like that, without the knowledge of the trade union committee (distributing vouchers)? Yes, nowhere, there are no cars, no summer cottages, no country entertainments, so almost the whole life passed at home and in the yard, in front of neighbors. The apartment, honey agaric, is state-owned, it is almost impossible to move somewhere, where you live there and die, most likely Because there was a good relationship - there was nowhere to go ... "- well, let's start with that that my mother, an ordinary engineer, never a member of the party, calmly went on a voucher to Bulgaria, Romania, and Yugoslavia - by the way, in those days, a capitalist country)) and there are no summer cottages - is this where you lived? it was difficult to name, rather a hut, but it was, but if only we had - half of the courtyard of the four entrance house on four floors in the season discussed what and how to plant and the like)))
                        and about the fact that there was nowhere to go - well, if you didn’t understand where to sit and wait until something fell from heaven or another place, then yes, those who WANTED had no problems, I was a bit interested in tourism, cooperated, and Moscow, and Saratov, and Kaluga, and Rostov, and took the tickets and everything that was needed was found, the desire was)))
                        So whether there was a case ONLY in the system, or else in what ??? bully
                      9. Egg
                        Egg 30 October 2018 13: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        According to statistics, up to 30% of the vegetable crop in the USSR rotted in storage. And everyone had a fuck - that was such a real ideology, total nonsense.

                        It rotted because the vegetables were environmentally friendly, grown without chemicals and GMOs. You won’t believe it, but in those days apples were worms, worms ate them with pleasure. wink
                        And now we are being poisoned by continuous chemistry or genetically modified crap that even worms refuse.
                        Even the term new was introduced: meat product wassat my cat is quietly laughing under the sofa ...
                        I don’t know what kind of cesspool you lived in, but in Belgorod region everything was different. And yes my grandfather with grandma, on savings and retirement! bought my mother a 2 room cooperative apartment in Belgorod. Imagine grandfather and grandmother, collective farm pensioners, in those days were able to raise money for an apartment. Nowadays you will find many of these pensioners?
                        And all summer my mother sent me to their village, for fresh air, vegetables and fruits, and fresh milk, her own.

                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        But the era was rotten, thoroughly deceitful and hypocritical, and thanks to this, the Soviet system collapsed almost instantly - which is built on lies and violence, can’t resist the times of change

                        a lie, complete and shameless. the Soviet system did not fall apart; it was betrayed by such renegades and philistines like you, who were ready to sell everything and everything for a meat-containing product.
                        feel the difference.
                      10. goblin xnumx
                        goblin xnumx 1 November 2018 01: 53
                        -1
                        "And the era was rotten, through and through lies and disingenuous," - what I saw around - absorbed into myself - and sings about it ...
                      11. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 28 October 2018 00: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        Those. when a third of the country lived in communal apartments and dormitories

                        Well, what would be better if, as with the king-priest, 3/4 of the country lived in rotten five-walls, and another 1/5 in the corners of the rented rooms in apartment buildings? Or is it better now, and after living in a dormitory for 10 years (almost for free), you are guaranteed to get an apartment from the company, and will not be afraid to sneeze and to pay a bonded mortgage for 15-20 years?
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        washed on hands in the trough

                        You probably lived very poorly? Already in the mid-70s, even a grandmother brought a washing machine to the village.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        when they drove forcibly to collect potatoes on the fields

                        For that they received the same potato as a reward and then ate it all winter.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        when there were one or two cars at home

                        But there was a great working public transport (until the mid-80s for sure), and there weren’t so many private cars, just then they weren’t used as intensively as now.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        when color TV was worth (600 rubles in 1986)

                        About 400. Exactly at 84 or 85 they took a high-tech "Slavutich" 72 cm for those times.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        like 5 salaries of an engineer

                        It turns out 3 wages. Is the type of schaz the best? In the same way, a good smart TV 40-42 inches in 50-60 kilo rubles will come out in the same 3-4 salaries of a "junior researcher", well, or two and a half salaries of a Vakov assistant professor, a senior teacher at a university.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        for quality or at least not ugly goods, you had to stand in line for years or overpay at times,

                        And for this "thanks" first to Nikita the maize worker, who destroyed from 1956 to 1960 almost 120 thousand artels, private workshops and commercial enterprises of industrial cooperation in various directions - from the food industry to metalworking and from jewelry to the chemical industry, which employed about 2 million people , which produced almost 6% of the gross industrial output of the USSR, 40% of furniture, 70% of tableware, more than a third of all knitwear, almost all children's toys, a significant number of electrical goods, and a lot of other consumer goods. And then "thanks" to Misha the marked, who allowed the directors of enterprises to create cooperatives at the same enterprises, and these directors provoked a huge shortage of goods in the USSR, disrupting all supplies under the state plan at fixed prices in order to sell more goods on the cooperative line at exorbitant prices.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        when in rotten moths rotten moldy vegetables

                        Yes, it did. Only usually the directors of such stores quickly grabbed lyuley and took off from the post. And vegetables were many times tastier and healthier, unlike the current genetically modified glossy parodies of vegetables. Previously, a tomato that fell to the floor burst and juice and seeds flowed out of it and it was tasty, but now a store tomato jumps on the floor like a ping-pong ball and it has no taste.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        and there in the dining room - buckwheat with sausages! By our provincial standards - delicacies.

                        Now, for the majority of retirees, these are also delicacies. Under the USSR, my pensioner grandmother loved to eat Roquefort cheese and could afford to buy it several times a month (until it disappeared at all under Misha Judas), and now my retired mother does not even parody the Russian brand cheese. every month can afford to buy. But you can continue to tell about your childhood impressions of the USSR during the decline to adult uncles who still found the blessed times of "stagnation".
                      12. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 26 October 2018 20: 16
                        +11
                        Then there was LTP and few alcohol bottles. Today, no one treats alcoholics and alcohol drinks on every corner. Both beer and with stronger alcohol. If there are alkotes in walking distance, the question arises. Do you drink a lot or a little today?
                      13. your1970
                        your1970 27 October 2018 12: 32
                        -3
                        The best healthcare in the USSR? Oh yes !!! only the cancer center in the region was not there, and there were practically no cancer cures, there was no point ..... and there were only two doctors in the field and everyone went to see them every month to make an appointment, otherwise it means died and struck out of the line.
                        Waited up to a year of admission, not even treatment.
                      14. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 27 October 2018 12: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        The best healthcare in the USSR?

                        Of course the best, because as affordable for everyone!
                        Quote: your1970
                        but there was no cancer center in the region, and cancer

                        This is in what area nebylo! ?? Oncology service has existed in our Mukhanska since 1935, first in the form of a department in a city hospital, and since the 80s in the form of a huge cancer clinic with its own radiological department, surgery and intensive care.
                      15. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 17: 26
                        -2
                        Exist exists, but in the USSR statistics on early detection of cancer was very low. And detection at the 3-4 stage, when the symptoms do not give life, is simply useless.
                      16. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 27 October 2018 17: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        Exist exists, but in the USSR statistics on early detection of cancer was very low.

                        I hope you will not be difficult to confirm this statement with relevant statistics.
                      17. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 17: 45
                        +1
                        I will not bring it, I heard and read from oncologists. Here is an example, have you ever heard that someone in the USSR was given prophylactic (!) Colonoscopy? After all, colorectal cancer is the most easily operable and very common. But at the transition to stage 4 - death.
                        Fluorography was done without exception and often, therefore pulmonary cancer was detected. And with other forms it was much worse, more often than not. Because the fight against cancer is 95% early diagnosis, instrumental and analytical, you need expensive equipment that was only in some central clinics.

                        PS
                        https://www.gazeta.ru/comments/column/mironova/10793432.shtml
                      18. kitt409
                        kitt409 27 October 2018 21: 39
                        -1
                        Not only have I heard about such people, but I personally know, and not one - well, one after a certain age, well, actively monitors his health, you can roughly call 0 he moved, but he is NOT the only one, at least about the column) and FGDS, about the rest I just didn’t remember ...
                      19. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 22: 14
                        +1
                        Read carefully - In the USSR! Now anyone who wants to can sign up for any examination, in the USSR such a luxury was available in the main nomenclature and paid for.
                      20. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 28 October 2018 01: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        Now anyone who wants can sign up for any examination

                        LOL STA! ?? No, of course you can for the money ... but according to the compulsory medical insurance, you will wait 6 months, or even more, unless of course you can get your doctor to write out a referral.
                      21. kitt409
                        kitt409 28 October 2018 08: 57
                        -1
                        WHERE did I write about to register ??? am There for money, A couple of times they even came home, to him, there’s a son-in-law, well, something like a shark of capitalism, so that the mother is not expected to have a problem in this family))
                        And you just don’t need to write about the whole USSR - grandmother, well, a very profitable former cashier of a food store with a pension of 55 rubles. calmly went to the hospital, the next day I passed the tests and after a couple of three days (about a long time ago it was) went to the research ...
                      22. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 28 October 2018 00: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        I will not bring

                        As expected.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        Here is an example, have you ever heard that someone in the USSR was given prophylactic (!) Colonoscopy?

                        In which country and at what point did they start doing preventive colonoscopy? As far as I know, even in Japan, even in cities subjected to atomic bombings, there is no such thing, they just periodically take blood for tumor markers. By the way, in the USSR this was done at least once a year for people over 40 years old during medical examinations and medical examinations. Now this is done every three years, if you come to the clinic for a medical examination, if they do not forget to notify you about it. True, a year ago, dad first "forgot" to write out a referral to the laboratory. I had to yell at the head - immediately "remembered", the animals are long-eared.
                        Quote: Artem Popov
                        Because the fight against cancer is 95% early diagnosis, instrumental and analytical, you need expensive equipment, which was only in some central clinics.

                        AND? Where was better? Just that it would be available to everyone, and not just the happy owners of large fortunes.
                      23. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 2 November 2018 23: 04
                        0
                        Because the fight against cancer is 95% early diagnosis, instrumental and analytical, you need expensive equipment,


                        In principle, a complete medical diagnosis of the population could be established as a commercial private-ownership medical activity, if diagnosticians were given any benefits. On the one hand, these are jobs for doctors, on the other, the problem of general coverage and propaganda of diagnostics, which is difficult to solve for the health care system, was transferred to business, and on the third, if for timely, precisely for timely, identified and proven problems, a little extra for diagnosticians to pay from the funds of insurance funds, then there will be a governing positive relationship.
                        Similarly - it would be interesting to try this in relation to vaccinations.
                      24. goblin xnumx
                        goblin xnumx 1 November 2018 01: 46
                        -1
                        "It exists, but in the USSR, the statistics on early detection of cancer was very low. And detection at stages 3-4, when the symptoms do not give life, is simply useless." - and in the Russian empire there was no such statistics at all - it turns out - they did not get sick ? -So the communists specially infected the people?
                      25. your1970
                        your1970 30 October 2018 12: 14
                        +1
                        the big fly you had was clearly more than 5 million inhabitants ...
                        ours is less strongly ..
                        "According to V.P.Demidov (1979), in the country there are 20 research institutes of oncological profile, 250 oncology dispensaries, 3242 oncology departments and an office. The network has 51,6 thousand oncological beds. "- we had a DEPARTMENT in the region (for the whole region !!!!) ....
                        Well, 51600 beds per country in 300 000 000 population also confirm ...
                        http://enc.sci-lib.com/article0000151.html
                      26. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 30 October 2018 23: 09
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        the big fly you had was clearly more than 5 million inhabitants ...

                        300 thousand
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, 51600 beds per country in 300 000 000 population

                        Who had more at that time?
                      27. your1970
                        your1970 31 October 2018 09: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Quote: your1970
                        the big fly you had was clearly more than 5 million inhabitants ...

                        300 thousand
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, 51600 beds per country in 300 000 000 population

                        Who had more at that time?
                        - by and large, to a light bulb, how many beds were in Germany / USA / etc. countries .... I have enough of what we had in the regional center two Doctors, and you have on 300 thousand
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        from 80's as huge Oncology Center with its own radiology department, surgery and resuscitation.
                        .
                        Because of the line at the reception, my relative died - when his turn came, he was already inoperable
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                      29. kitt409
                        kitt409 27 October 2018 21: 49
                        -1
                        it turns out interestingly, well, so "lucky" with the doctors, and it is you, why would it be ??? bully
                        I won’t touch special healthcare, it was also there, but the usual often happened quite well, I was NOT lucky with the dentist at one time, but this is rather an exception, there was a special story, but after that - compared to what you were here before wrote the sky and the earth)))
                        AND ABOUT WHOSE HERE A SITE) - WHO made you get here ??
                        If I’m uninterested in some people or they think differently, then I DO NOT rush to them)))
                        Is it different for you?
                      30. Artem Popov
                        Artem Popov 27 October 2018 22: 18
                        -2
                        Have you lived in any other country? I treated my teeth in school dental offices, in an adult dental clinic - always WITHOUT anesthesia, clumsy low-bored drills on cables, no one heard about the suction - put up the saliva that drains with a handkerchief. At the age of 12, without anesthesia, the nerve was removed - this is a fucking healthcare, the best in the world, and even free!
                      31. kitt409
                        kitt409 28 October 2018 09: 08
                        -1
                        I ALREADY wrote about the dentist, but I have a special, special case, so to speak, I was just not lucky, but you also write about the rest - well, about the tonsils, for example, you did it to me yourself, WHERE YOU THERE THE ABSENCE OF ANESTHESIA saw ??? , as a child, I was very harsh about pain, I could just cut myself off, then we will consider it passed)) on the tonsils - no problems, otherwise I would remember all my childhood "grievances" even of this kind so far I remember well) ...
                    4. kitt409
                      kitt409 26 October 2018 18: 32
                      +5
                      they began to be treated NOT when he got sick, and then when he could make an appointment ...
                      And about the level of education is not necessary, here you are rather manipulating - it’s already difficult to call education
                    5. albert
                      albert 26 October 2018 23: 27
                      +3
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      those. people stopped treating? and as a result, the mortality rate should be high, and life expectancy reduced ... but in fact the opposite is true ...

                      By what fact? How does Kissel show on TV?
                2. kitt409
                  kitt409 26 October 2018 17: 26
                  +8
                  Entering a home or buying a home?) That is, what we bought AT OUR EXPENSE, "automatically" goes as an achievement of the state ??? Not a sick account))) and then every year unbuckle the tax (((
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 27 October 2018 00: 36
                    0
                    They have everything that at least remotely positively characterizes them, everything goes to their cashier! The sun also shines thanks to them.
                3. Litexa
                  Litexa 31 October 2018 11: 00
                  -1
                  Troll, sir. Or do you really think that the country has economic growth?
              2. Fedor egoist
                Fedor egoist 26 October 2018 11: 31
                +29
                that the whole point is not in the rise in oil prices, which, as luck would have it, is not, but in what the government itself has been doing since spring. That is, in the increase in VAT, which hit everyone, but in oil refining, too specifically, and in the increase in mineral extraction tax, which led to an increase in the price of almost all services related to oil production.

              3. Machito
                Machito 26 October 2018 15: 59
                +8
                Oil goes up - gas goes up, oil goes down - gas goes up. Conclusion: gasoline always rises in price, because we are an oil-producing country.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 26 October 2018 17: 31
                  -5
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Conclusion: gasoline always rises in price, because we are an oil-producing country.

                  wrong conclusion
                  correct conclusion: the price of gasoline in the domestic market does not depend on the exchange value.
              4. Campanella
                Campanella 26 October 2018 23: 56
                +2
                It’s somehow difficult to select words to describe the lawlessness of the current Russian government. Besides the complete degradation, there are no fresh epithets.
                Against the background of the most serious illness in Russia, one can only see the smug face of the president, describing the patient’s condition in warm pastel colors, and at the same time, there is a demonstration of enviable impotence and the inability to change anything at the conservatory.
                Apparently, the skeletons in the closet simply do not give the president the opportunity to remain human.
              5. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 27 October 2018 05: 36
                0
                There is no end to lawlessness!
              6. lukewarm
                lukewarm 27 October 2018 12: 56
                +4
                In 2011, the struggle is over? laughing
                I did not vote for him, he is not my president, but ... When a system problem is replaced with one last name, there is a desire to overthrow this particular person. In this case, absolutely do not care about the problem itself. And not without reason in the picture it all ended in 2011. Swamp was also a picture of those times. They are no better.
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 22
              -16
              Quote: Svarog
              and thanks to this revolution Russia still exists ..

              for some reason, not within the borders of the Russian Empire.
              Why?
              ps
              In what year in the USSR did meat consumption reach the level of consumption in RI?
              how many people died in the civil war of 1917-1922?
              how many children (street children) lost their parents in civilian life?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 26 October 2018 12: 49
                +13
                Quote: NEOZ
                and thanks to this revolution Russia still exists ..

                for some reason, not within the borders of the Russian Empire.

                Well, this is just the question for the successors of the affairs of Gorbachev, Yeltsin ..
                Quote: NEOZ
                In what year in the USSR did meat consumption reach the level of consumption in RI?

                So you do not ask a question, but give the numbers and the most important source ..
                Quote: NEOZ
                how many people died in the civil war of 1917-1922?

                So let me know? and tell how many died in the 90s
                Quote: NEOZ
                how many children (street children) lost their parents in civilian life?

                How many? and with the 90th comparison please ..
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 26 October 2018 17: 59
                +1
                Quote: NEOZ
                In what year in the USSR did meat consumption reach the level of consumption in RI?

                I don’t know what about the meat eaten, but the number of cattle in the Russian Empire in 1914. achieved by Soviet power in the 60s
              3. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 26 October 2018 20: 23
                +2
                The USSR returned part of the Republic of Ingushetia. But the reformers squandered everything. And they did not return either within the borders of the USSR or within the borders of the Republic of Ingushetia. Today we also squander territories. Invites them (themselves) foreigners. We did so that even the Balts spit at us. And our brothers from the outskirts are ready to hang us! Is this a successful modern policy?
              4. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 26 October 2018 20: 29
                +6
                how many children (street children) lost their parents in civilian life? ### How many parents today do not see their children living at work and shaking their shifts? Does the current pace and working environment strengthen family values? And when the peasants coming to a foreign city ask where to take the girls? This is normal? Why are you so bad with girls? Look in other cities hotels and baths themselves offer girls! Yes, and a choice! Why is your service not developed? This is normal? We do not produce orphans with living parents today !?
            3. Ryzhik
              Ryzhik 26 October 2018 17: 20
              -5
              but in the 1917 revolution, the meaning was .. and thanks to this revolution, Russia still exists

              Very controversial statement. I do not agree with him. If Russia still exists, then certainly not thanks to this revolution.
            4. Artem Popov
              Artem Popov 27 October 2018 17: 05
              -1
              Wow, it turns out that Russia exists thanks to the Brest Peace, Civil War, Red Terror and further whistle.
          2. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 26 October 2018 17: 06
            +2
            do not distort! exactly 25 years ago and there was a riot senseless and stupid! already then it was necessary to hang the liberals on the pillars, and not wait for the present day ... although ... now and then, SOMETHING to rebel, that’s the power and vomits!
      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 09
        -6
        Quote: Mikhail M
        "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"

        In Europe and even Ukraine, such prices ... and there are no riots .. how to understand?
      3. volot-voin
        volot-voin 26 October 2018 13: 09
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail M
        "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"

        At the expense of meaninglessness can be disputed. What is the funny thing is that the people do not want to rebel to the last, and the authorities with their reforms (internal policy) are stubbornly pushing the people to this. The main thing is not to be exchanged for regular liberals like Navalny. And it will turn out "awl on soap" as in Ukraine.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 26 October 2018 13: 59
          +6
          Quote: volot-voin
          That the funniest people do not want to rebel to the last, and the authorities stubbornly push people towards this with their reforms (domestic policy).

          And how else can you hide all the "correctness" of the course taken in the 90s? To say: "We were not going there, because we were never recognized as our own in the West, but at the same time we will not change our" horses in the ferry ", we will not revise the results of privatization, we will not fight corruption - this is dangerous for the existence of the State , we will not return to the social state either, so treat this with understanding "? lol How else to reset the "results"? Riot, he darling will be to blame for everything! Who else?laughing
    2. Vard
      Vard 26 October 2018 05: 53
      +42
      I can’t understand one thing ... since 2004, every year I went to Turkey. And gas prices were raised there only this fall ... Before that, everything was the same ... There is no oil ...
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 26 October 2018 06: 04
        +24
        Quote: Vard
        I can’t understand one thing.

        Nobody can.

        Quote: Vard
        ezdiyu

        I go *
        hi
        1. LeftPers
          LeftPers 26 October 2018 07: 44
          +15
          Quote: Vanek
          Quote: Vard
          I can’t understand one thing.

          Nobody can.

          Quote: Vard
          ezdiyu

          I go *
          hi
          None*
          No one
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 26 October 2018 17: 08
          +4
          what the hell difference rides he or rides! the fact that there the fuel price DOES NOT RISE!
          1. your1970
            your1970 30 October 2018 12: 18
            +1
            Quote: Victor Demchenko
            what the hell difference rides he or rides! the fact that there the fuel price DOES NOT RISE!
            -they both bought for the conditional 300 dollars per tonne-and they buy for 300. Therefore, it did not grow
      2. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 26 October 2018 06: 41
        +56
        Quote: Vard
        +2
        I can’t understand one thing ... since 2004, every year I went to Turkey. And gas prices were raised there only this fall ... Before that, everything was the same ... There is no oil ...

        There is no Russian government. yes
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 26 October 2018 08: 54
          +18
          The greed of our oil "kings" simply has no boundaries absolutely
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 11
            -8
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            The greed of our oil "kings" simply has no boundaries absolutely

            Are you talking about Sechin? So there the state has a controlling stake. And the head of state, Putin ... And Putin needs money to restrain the hordes of enemies who attacked Russia. They are doing everything right. Better gasoline at 100 than the soldiers from Texas in Siberia !!!!
            1. volot-voin
              volot-voin 26 October 2018 13: 11
              +23
              Quote: Semen1972
              But Putin needs money to restrain the hordes of enemies who attacked Russia.

              Hordes of enemies are gnawing Russia from the inside (and on the occasion they will flee to the alternate airfield), and the external enemy will patiently wait in the wings.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 26 October 2018 14: 07
                +7
                Quote: volot-voin
                Hordes of enemies are gnawing Russia from the inside (and, on occasion, will flee to the alternate airport)

                A bit wrong.
                First, they are not allowed to escape, but to safely fly away with all their belongings to the "alternate airfield" from where they are known to be "not given", and only then a criminal case is initiated and the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office are included with requests on the international wanted list. lol
            2. KERMET
              KERMET 26 October 2018 14: 28
              +15
              Quote: Semen1972
              restrain the hordes of enemies that attacked Russia

              where is this grass growing? ... wassat
              why should they attack Russia-she herself gives everything to them for candy wrappers painted by them
          2. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 26 October 2018 17: 30
            0
            it is limited by the borders of Russia :) - they’ll beat them around abroad :)
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      4. akunin
        akunin 26 October 2018 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        There is no oil.

        was like in Spain, it was so striking that the price of gasoline changed every day, and in both directions, slightly, but changed along with the price of oil.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 12
          -7
          Quote: akunin
          was like in Spain

          I was there too (not at the resort)
          almost nobody works there !!!!
          80% of youth are unemployed !!!
          and those who work - work from 10.00 to 16.00 lunch from 12.00-14.00 !!!!!!!
          everyone is sitting on benefits .....
          1. akunin
            akunin 26 October 2018 10: 19
            +4
            Yes, I’m talking about gasoline, that the price of it can fall and grow depending on fluctuations in world oil prices, and we only grow
            and those who work - work from 10.00 to 16.00 lunch from 12.00-14.00 !!!!!!!
            and I saw it, but it’s not my fate to work like that (although the working day is officially short 1 grid). smile
          2. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 26 October 2018 17: 14
            +1
            Quote: NEOZ
            and those who work - work from 10.00 to 16.00 lunch from 12.00-14.00 !!!!!!!
            everyone is sitting on benefits .....

            This is in what office so, I also want so. But seriously, in the south of Spain everyone usually works from 9 to 12, then siesta from 12 to 15, then again work from 15 to 18-20 hours. Restaurants so generally begin to work only after a siesta, nowhere to eat breakfast.
        2. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 26 October 2018 14: 37
          +5
          Oil was 80 recently, now 76, and prices are still rising.
      5. NEOZ
        NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 09
        -22
        Quote: Vard
        I can’t understand one thing ..

        have you tried?
        did you study the economy of turkey?
        Have you studied the features of the Turkish fuel market?
        1. kitt409
          kitt409 26 October 2018 18: 40
          +4
          Sorry, but you ask a lot of questions, but I have not yet seen your answers to these or any other questions laughing
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 26 October 2018 18: 05
        +10
        Quote: Vard
        There is no oil ...

        so there is no our government there!
        GDP growth in 2018: Kazakhstan - 3,8%, Armenia - 4.5%, Kyrgyzstan - 2.8%, Russia - 1.7-1.8%
    3. kenig1
      kenig1 26 October 2018 07: 02
      +15
      Why 100 rubles per liter, there is no limit to perfection and greed.
    4. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 26 October 2018 07: 07
      +19
      At a price per liter of fuel 100 rubles. there will be a transport collapse.
      And noodles "Doshirak" will also cost 100 rubles. and salt is 100 rubles, and matches are 100 rubles, but "macaroshki" is already 500 rubles. will cost. In general, there will be a kapets.
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 26 October 2018 08: 22
      +15
      Quote: svp
      Do not talk, but 100 rubles per liter is the immediate goal. And there is no alternative ..

      Why, everyone just needs to stop driving at once ... a mass strike. How many of these lessons have to endure ..
    6. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 06
      -18
      Quote: svp
      , and 100r per liter is the immediate goal.

      purpose for purpose?
      Are you seriously?
      or so, highpanuli?
    7. KLV2018
      KLV2018 26 October 2018 10: 58
      +14
      Quote: svp
      Do not talk, but 100 rubles per liter is the immediate goal. And there is no alternative ..

      Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, for our happy tomorrow.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 26 October 2018 18: 07
        +9
        Quote: KLV2018
        Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich, for our happy tomorrow.

    8. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 26 October 2018 13: 41
      +3
      Hmm, open economy, serious oligarchic capitalism - all according to the book. In Bulgaria, gasoline rolled up for 1,20 euros. Yes, we live .... in the Greeks 1,70 euros and they live, drink ouzo with a fish and whine. But the Greeks always whine .... :)

      But my next car will be electric - completely sickened with these gasoline prices.
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 26 October 2018 15: 11
        +1
        Do not flatter yourself, there will be no freebies.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 October 2018 17: 47
        +3
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        But my next car will be electric

        laughing Will you extend the extension cord from the window?
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 26 October 2018 20: 06
          0
          You will, you will, and still as we will bully
          Shchepsel in the garage and done. Cars with fast charging have already been designed, so the future is there.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 October 2018 20: 34
            -1
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Shchepsel in the garage and done.

            It will burn dangerously.
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Cars with fast charging have already been designed, so the future is there.

            Something I have not heard about such. Tesla hour is charging.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 26 October 2018 21: 05
              0
              Yes, now it’s about an hour to charge all models (by the way, Tesla is expensive, Renault have cheaper models), but I read that the kid from the Technical University in Munich launched a battery test with charging in 15 minutes and 200 km. taxi ride. Well, until 5 years, technology will be rolled in and banned in the EU, everything else - it pollutes the air very much. Big changes are coming in the industry, and expensive oil plays the role of this trend.
          2. Alf
            Alf 26 October 2018 21: 40
            +1
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Shchepsel in the garage and done.

            And in the garage, energy, of course, is free ...
          3. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 26 October 2018 22: 04
            0
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            You will, you will, and still as we will bully
            Shchepsel in the garage and done. Cars with fast charging have already been designed, so the future is there.

            It turns out that the nuclear plants were closed in vain? yes Now would, all in the plugs, from extension cords would be))
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 27 October 2018 00: 14
              0
              Which AES was closed? It works for itself, and in addition, chickenpoxes pushed another block of AES and now there is such an oversupply of energy that at least eat, at least go to space. We sell to Turks and Greeks and Serbs and again there is no place to go.
    9. EnGenius
      EnGenius 26 October 2018 14: 17
      -3
      If you don’t inflate virtual balls, but look at the statistics, it turns out that during a period of stable oil prices, a liter of 95 cost $ 0.8-0.9 at retail, which at the current established rate should correspond to a price corridor of 52-60 rubles. In the period after the crisis, 2014, oil refineries bent on income, as the dollar almost doubled in price, and gasoline only 50% in rubles. So they demand to raise their incomes - otherwise things will not improve with processing. And it is always more profitable to export gasoline than oil and the price is much more stable!

      Therefore, the way is better for gas at 60 rubles than 30 rubles, but taking into account the collapse of the ruble every four to five years. Oil refining needs to be developed, as it barely covers our own fuel needs. When we produce more, then prices will stabilize on average due to a larger supply.
      1. Alf
        Alf 26 October 2018 21: 42
        0
        Quote: engenius
        Oil refining needs to be developed, as it barely covers our own fuel needs.

        So what's the problem ? Tell it to Sechin and others like him, he doesn’t know ...
      2. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 26 October 2018 22: 10
        0
        Quote: engenius
        If you don’t inflate virtual balls, but look at the statistics, it turns out that during a period of stable oil prices, a liter of 95 cost $ 0.8-0.9 at retail, which at the current established rate should correspond to a price corridor of 52-60 rubles. In the period after the crisis, 2014, oil refineries bent on income, as the dollar almost doubled in price, and gasoline only 50% in rubles. So they demand to raise their incomes - otherwise things will not improve with processing. And it is always more profitable to export gasoline than oil and the price is much more stable!

        Therefore, the way is better for gas at 60 rubles than 30 rubles, but taking into account the collapse of the ruble every four to five years. Oil refining needs to be developed, as it barely covers our own fuel needs. When we produce more, then prices will stabilize on average due to a larger supply.

        About the "development" of processing, even in the first presidency "vests tore"))
    10. Campanella
      Campanella 27 October 2018 00: 32
      +1
      That is the question.
      Why is a person stomping a zone a fourth time recidivist, and in power an experienced and proven politician?
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 26 October 2018 04: 35
    +13
    did not understand throwing - the maneuver will be completed - in the interests of exporters and world oil giants.
    pull-live on
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 26 October 2018 06: 06
      +8
      Maneuvering maneuvering, but not luring ....

      Quote: Mikhail M
      Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless! "

      hi
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 14
        -14
        Quote: Vanek
        Maneuvered maneuvered

        shaw do the same?
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 12
          -2
          Quote: NEOZ
          shaw do the same?

          good
        2. kitt409
          kitt409 26 October 2018 18: 52
          +2
          Shaw still manipulate the terms?
        3. Vanek
          Vanek 29 October 2018 03: 59
          0
          Nor is it worth it.

          ... Till.

          hi
  3. Conductor
    Conductor 26 October 2018 04: 38
    +28
    That is, by removing the beautiful pseudo-economic husk, the oil industry (from mining to retail), it is blackmailing our government to save profits at all costs.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 26 October 2018 05: 30
      +37
      oil industry (from production to retail), blackmail our government

      Well, the government, in revenge, is blackmailing the self-employed and future pensioners ... in general, a dead end.
      And such a systemic failure in our state occurs regularly as soon as the next crisis in our economy begins ... what can I say ... read the grandfather of Lenin and Marx with Engels ...

      Marx and Engels on the economic crisis

      “The huge ability of a large industry to expand, in front of which the expandability of gases turns out to be a real children's amusement, is now manifested in the form of a need to expand this industry both qualitatively and quantitatively - a need that does not take into account any opposition. This opposition is formed by consumption, marketing, markets for products of large industry. The ability of markets to both extensive and intensive expansion is determined by completely different laws that operate with much less energy. The expansion of markets cannot keep up with the expansion of production. A collision becomes inevitable, and since it is not able to resolve the conflict until it blows up the most capitalist mode of production, it becomes periodic ... In trade, stagnation sets in, markets are overwhelmed by a mass of unmarketable products, cash disappears from circulation, credit ceases, factories stop, workers lose their livelihoods, because they produced these funds in too much quantity; bankruptcies follow bankruptcies; auctions give way to auctions. Stagnation lasts for years, the masses of productive forces and products are squandered and destroyed until the accumulated masses of goods at more or less reduced prices disperse, and finally, the movement of production and exchange resumes gradually. ”

      (Marx K, Engels F, t. 20, p. 287)
      1. Titsen
        Titsen 26 October 2018 06: 42
        +20
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Marx K, Engels F, t. 20, p. 287


        The classics were strong!

        Only now, current economists studied in other textbooks ....

        To our great regret!
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 15
          -14
          Quote: Titsen
          current economists studied in other textbooks ....

          they replaced those who did not live up to expectations (learned from the classics) ...
          why now whine?
        2. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 26 October 2018 22: 15
          0
          Quote: Titsen
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Marx K, Engels F, t. 20, p. 287


          The classics were strong!

          Only now, current economists studied in other textbooks ....

          To our great regret!

          Vague doubts torment that individual individuals did not study at all) No .. Of course, they studied, but formally))
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 27 October 2018 00: 46
          0
          They studied maybe not bad. Only study and life things are not always compatible. The golden calf kills everything human, leaving moral, justice, compassion in ruins ... A very contagious disease, a rare person survives. These are definitely incurable and socially dangerous.
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 26 October 2018 06: 50
        +39
        What a crisis Lech !? What are you talking about!? Russia is on the rise, salaries are growing at an incredible pace !? Prices are rising!? So they said already, the salary is growing rapidly! Here are the prices and rising for salaries! And then! How did the economics gurus educate us !? The invisible hand of the market will put everything in its place! What time! Now this very invisible hand is placing everything! Some spoke of the poverty of socialism and the prosperity of capitalism. There are those on the VO website. And now it is interesting to listen to their opinion about the current prosperity. I hope Olgovich, Teterkin and their whole company will intelligibly enlighten us about the current situation! And at the same time it is interesting to read their opinion on price reductions under Stalin. How did he do it in an inefficient economy and why it does not in an effective one!
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 28
          -13
          Quote: Mister Creed
          Some spoke of the poverty of socialism and the prosperity of capitalism.

          prosperity under capitalism only among the countries of the exploiting countries ....
          1. AUL
            AUL 26 October 2018 11: 43
            +9
            Quote: NEOZ
            Quote: Mister Creed
            Some spoke of the poverty of socialism and the prosperity of capitalism.

            prosperity under capitalism only among the countries of the exploiting countries ....

            Especially in Norway, Sweden ...
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 46
              -12
              Quote: AUL
              Especially in Norway, Sweden ...

              Do you have doubts about this?
              1. kitt409
                kitt409 26 October 2018 18: 56
                +4
                Doubts that they are exploiters, and have already appeared in your competence in similar topics)
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 13
      -9
      Quote: Conductor

      That is, by removing the beautiful pseudo-economic husk, the oil industry (from mining to retail), it is blackmailing our government to save profits at all costs.

      Those who blackmailed Putin immediately sat down, Yukos is an example !!!!
      Who exactly is blackmailing Putin, Sechin ????? Alekperov ????
  4. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 26 October 2018 05: 02
    +45
    This is all once again extremely funny, if it were not so sad ... If gasoline cost us rubles 10-20 rubles. per liter, Russia's economy would simply boil on the level of growth and development ... Surprised? and by the way, this is quite a profitable price for the domestic market, all that is higher is the super profits of oil industry workers, processors and sales gaskets.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 26 October 2018 06: 10
      +9
      Quote: Warrior2015
      Surprised?

      No.
    2. VRF
      VRF 26 October 2018 09: 56
      +21
      This government has different tasks - to prevent economic growth at any cost. So far, they cope with it with a bang.
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 26 October 2018 11: 22
        0
        And for what purpose are they doing this?
        1. Random
          Random 26 October 2018 11: 44
          0
          Quote: Qwertyarion
          And for what purpose are they doing this?

          wassat also spoke out -... "better manage"
      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 14
        -12
        Quote: VRF

        This government has different tasks - to prevent economic growth at any cost

        The government appointed by the popularly elected Putin ??? The people are not, everything is voting correctly !!!! Without Putin, everything will plunge into a bloodbath !!!!!
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 12: 30
          -6
          Quote: Semen1972
          Without Putin, everything will plunge

          sooner or later he will not be ...
          but this is no reason to panic!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 October 2018 12: 49
            +3
            Quote: NEOZ
            sooner or later he will not be ...

            Nicho, come up with something ... Clone, sho. Look, the Americans got the same Dolly sheep, and are we hook hands?
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 26 October 2018 13: 17
              -8
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Clone

              A liberal HELL will begin in the form of elections, different opinions about the development path, a multi-party system and other nonsense not characteristic of the Russian monarchist people !!!!
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 29
      -21
      Quote: Warrior2015
      all that is higher - superprofits of oil industry workers

      you from the sofa, of course, know better ....
  5. Andrey1978
    Andrey1978 26 October 2018 06: 09
    +27
    The salary of some comrades is reduced to the level of the regions, enough for some time to maintain prices. You can planes, helicopters, corporate boats under the press, let them travel by train, along with the people they will take part directly in the debate. Sometimes useful. Among the contingent in electric trains, every second is with economic thinking. Can prompt our top optimal development path.
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 26 October 2018 07: 39
      0
      since 1991, not comrades, but gentlemen.
      1. Severok
        Severok 26 October 2018 08: 45
        +26
        And neither comrades nor gentlemen. So, some kind of abomination.
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 15
          -13
          Quote: Severok
          And neither comrades nor gentlemen. So, some kind of abomination.

          I recognize the Communists !!!! )))
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 36
      -15
      Quote: Andrey1978
      The salary of some comrades is reduced to the level of regions

      Andrey, here you are not a young comrade, well, look back a little ...
      there was the USSR, which owned half the world, and the salaries of senior officials were not very large (by today's standards, the gap was not as huge as it is now)
      and what? top management (Gorbachev) sold his country (USSR) for $ 1 million (peace prize) and the opportunity to advertise pizza !!!!!!!!!!! if zp officials are made small, then sooner or later the higher ranks will again sell the country for inexpensive.
      1. Alf
        Alf 26 October 2018 21: 45
        +5
        Quote: NEOZ
        sooner or later, higher ranks will again sell the country for inexpensive.

        And now it is being sold at a high price ..
    3. Campanella
      Campanella 27 October 2018 00: 50
      0
      Good ideas .. With these wolves it will not work, as they said the founders of Marxism will strangle their mother. Well, they don’t feel sorry for us at all!
  6. asiat_61
    asiat_61 26 October 2018 06: 44
    +3
    asiat_61 (igor) October 1, 2018 07:08
    +1
    The end of the world in Lithuania. Blame Russians?
    Experts, plan to increase gas prices by spring. Things are good!!!
    Reply
    A complaint

    .... Hissed at me: Fu, byak!
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 26 October 2018 06: 56
    +14
    Husband, wife ... Eh, again, the prices for vodka have increased ... Well, you’ll drink less ... No ... you’ll eat less ... So with the fuel ...
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 26 October 2018 09: 05
      +8
      .....................
  8. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 October 2018 07: 10
    +6
    We will travel by public transport. It will be cheaper, and I will stop supporting oil workers every week or two. I’ll leave the car for a summer residence.
    You just need to organize boycotts for all major gas station chains. For me, it’s not a problem at all for a month or two to not use the machine. If at least half of motorists do this, then the effect of higher gas prices will clearly not be what the fuel producers expect.
    I agree about the salaries of the "captains" of the oil industry - people just went crazy in a jump.
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 26 October 2018 10: 00
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      You just need to organize boycotts for all major gas station chains. For me, it’s not a problem at all for a month or two to not use the machine.

      The neftyanka will only say thank you, since with a collapse in demand, all barriers to export will disappear in full. Is profit more important right? lol A boycott needs to be announced to someone else who put profit at the expense of the state in the priorities of state policy. fellow
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 26 October 2018 10: 16
      +3
      A boycott is good, of course. But then you don’t have to go to the shops, pharmacies carry cars in them too. You just have to stop eating because the machinery also works in agriculture. It’s easier to stop living. Then you can definitely refuse gasoline.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 26 October 2018 10: 47
        +3
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        Then, you can definitely refuse gasoline.

        Oh well. No need to juggle. I also studied at school, I know what they carry on and how it affects pricing. There are few ways out - you can go to the government or presidential administration with flags and slogans (it will be interesting to look at the results of this campaign), or you can vote with your feet. That is what I will do.
      2. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 28 October 2018 20: 24
        0
        caught the thought, this is the standard inflation promotion!
    3. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 26 October 2018 11: 25
      0
      This is from the cycle: "To spite my grandmother, I won't wear a hat and frostbite on my ears."
    4. goose
      goose 26 October 2018 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      We will travel by public transport.

      Public transport is always subsidized. WE ARE NOT A SOCIAL STATE. Grants will be removed sooner or later. Public transport is now on the verge of survival, in a very cropped form, and at that moment it will simply die. There will be only electric scooters and bicycles - that’s all public transport.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 26 October 2018 18: 10
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      We will travel by public transport.

      How much will tickets cost?
    6. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 29 October 2018 07: 06
      +3
      What's the point? The oil industry compensates for the drop in volumes with a rise in prices and there will come a complete full-price. In the realities of underdeveloped capitalism, this will be so, and the government will again rub off and shift the entire burden on the population. When there isn’t enough thirst, the easiest way is to take the gingerbread away from the fool, that is, the population who are brought up to be an amorphous consumer mass. And all these anti-trust committees, like the police, dare to press only peasants with a can of beer; religion does not allow them to roll on thieves.
  9. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 07: 17
    +20
    they wanted to build capitalism, but got oligarchism, instead of increasing taxes on the extraction of raw materials, to tear more people, the appetites of someone's friends are unlimited fellow
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 39
      -12
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      the appetites of one's friends are infinite

      that is yes ...
      Tolley deal Mishan Gorbachev ... sold the USSR for lam greenery and the opportunity to advertise pizza ....
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 13: 52
        +6
        Mishan Gorbachev is held in high esteem by the current, even the highest award-order was given from grateful followers for the opportunity to rob further fellow
  10. Digital error
    Digital error 26 October 2018 07: 23
    +15
    As it turned out, exporting is elementarily more profitable than supplying to the domestic market. But what about the mantras about "ineffective public administration, let's privatize everything"? Privatization as a profit-making here and now has led to the archaization of processing capacities, and the costs of modernization will be legally imposed on those who stood in line at McDonald's in 1990. The free hand of the market is already reaching for the unprecedented growing real incomes of the population ...
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 26 October 2018 10: 04
      +8
      Quote: DigitalError
      But what about the mantras about "ineffective public administration, let's privatize everything"?

      Shhh! lol Don’t tell anyone else !!! stop laughing
  11. Sergei75
    Sergei75 26 October 2018 07: 33
    +11
    The article is kind of a curve, where does the proletariat have to do with it? Then we have the proletariat in ministerial chairs - "in the galleys", and the capitalists receive pensions ... who survived.
    In general, our taxation system is set up for the sale of raw materials over the hill and its processing there, therefore, gasoline is expensive, it is necessary to take more from the sold oil and gas in order to stimulate the development of processing, and so we only have pipelines and gas pipelines developing. Since we have "import substitution", then let them be engaged in "export substitution".
    Integration into the "world economy", which we all longed for so much, and most of all our leaders, led to the situation that we have (where they have us), it is necessary that the country was as self-sufficient as possible, but the leaders do not want, they want to live " there ", but to have us here, not the government, but aliens.
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 26 October 2018 08: 16
    -8
    Quote: A. Podymov, V. Malyshev, Doctor of Economics
    Petrol ultimatum or the dictatorship of the oil proletariat?

    As far as I know, a controlling stake (51%) belongs to the state i.e. government, which means that gas prices are set by Medvedev.
    If I'm wrong - correct.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 October 2018 08: 55
      +2
      Only Rosneft, the rest is private
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 October 2018 09: 01
        -1
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Only Rosneft, the rest is private

        Rosneft is a leader in Russian oil refining. The oil refining and petrochemical block ... The Company's share in oil production in the Russian Federation is about 40%

        40% is also not a little, and apparently the largest company. And why, in this case, the government does not see the collusion of other, smaller companies?
        1. goose
          goose 26 October 2018 12: 46
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          40% is not the same, and apparently the largest company.

          This company can independently dictate prices in the market. The rest will be forced to adapt to it in order to maintain a share.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2018 13: 49
            -3
            Quote: goose
            This company can independently dictate prices in the market.

            So I don't understand why the "elephant" is afraid of "mice".
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 26 October 2018 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      If I'm wrong - correct.

      right But the fact is that it is the state that wants to get into our pockets.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 26 October 2018 08: 28
    +1
    Rising prices as our future prospect, there is nothing unexpected in that ... well, many people will have to transfer to bicycles. Nothing, walks in the fresh air, smoke, dust, pollution will always be there, but certainly with less exhaust gases, some will probably benefit. We can think about what kind of power we need, and who should be upstairs ???
    However, there is already no certainty about it, because the previous time everything was very precisely known !!!
    The human g-d-g-d-nonsense is ineradicable!
  14. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 October 2018 08: 42
    +8
    The author insinuated that the VAT has not yet been raised, it’s only from January 1, well, I won’t believe that the refineries are operating at a loss, but at least tear the pieces, it’s the same as the distilleries in the minuses .. the authors threw that feeling on bread ..
    And where did he see small independent oil refineries in the country ????
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2018 10: 41
      -1
      This is and quite a lot. Almost everywhere where oil is produced in small volumes - there are private refineries.
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 51
      -14
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      The author was deceiving

      manipulated!
      and svarog (urapatriot) supported
      right now, on the other side, liberalism will be tightened ...
      everything is as always - stuffing - throwing excrement on the fan - profit (all angry and annoyed) ...
      the more angry and irritated in society, the more explosive the situation (buildup of society).
      example:
      have read all sorts of nonsense and become all evil
      a conflict (for example, a car accident, etc.), instead of resolving the world, they started a fight, and even with a fatal outcome, but throughout the country, the police began to cope (because it is calculated on another% of killings per 1 inhabitants), then the theme that the police cannot cope ... etc.
      AND MAIDAN .....
      political technology has not yet been canceled. fellow
      1. Revival
        Revival 26 October 2018 12: 02
        +4
        So is political technology used when such news is dumped into society? These are all the latest decisions and ideas, is this political technology used that way?
        It is necessary that there was no such news, then there would be nothing to be angry to read!
        The reason (for example, pension reform) is the result (dissatisfaction with the cynical and vile decision), and not vice versa
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 12: 21
          -10
          Quote: Revival
          So this is the political technology used,

          I meant only explicitly manipulative comments from some, aimed at increasing the degree of tension in society.
          ps
          pension reform - reason - decrease in% of able-bodied citizens to dependents - reason - demographic failure 1989-2005 - the reason - the collapse of the USSR .. etc.
          1. Revival
            Revival 26 October 2018 17: 22
            +1
            A catastrophic decline from 2,4 per one to 2,2 per one, well, count at times
          2. kitt409
            kitt409 26 October 2018 19: 12
            +2
            This mantra is already tired, tell your grandmothers, they can believe, there is a slightly different contingent, so such "argumentation" does not work here)))
            did not try FIRST to work out measures - for retraining, stimulation and NOT intimidation of employers - they decided to scare them with a criminal offense for illegal dismissal)))) there is no dismissal, no Criminal Code, they will simply NOT be hired and that's all, BUT our "strategists" of the type will NOT figure this out maybe why those who receive 60k (roughly) pay a contribution to PF 22, and those who roughly over 100k - only 10, still ask you around, or is it enough for now?)
      2. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: NEOZ
        right now, on the other side, liberalism will be tightened ...

        we have finally liberalism in the economy and the leader considers himself the same, liberalism on the website against liberalism in the government double standards however fellow
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 26 October 2018 18: 14
        +8
        Quote: NEOZ
        have read all sorts of nonsense and become all evil

        and they listened to the president and became even angrier.
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 26 October 2018 22: 30
      0
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      The author insinuated that the VAT has not yet been raised, it’s only from January 1, well, I won’t believe that the refineries are operating at a loss, but at least tear the pieces, it’s the same as the distilleries in the minuses .. the authors threw that feeling on bread ..
      And where did he see small independent oil refineries in the country ????

      The concept of "loss" is different for everyone, probably)) Maybe they, modestly, mean lost profit)))
  15. Severok
    Severok 26 October 2018 08: 43
    +10
    The problem with gasoline is that FOREIGN capital is driving the entire oil industry. All oil production and refining is NOT owned by Russia and the state of eReF. Prices for the domestic market of Russia are dictated by the WEST. And who should be thanked for this? - Invaders: Chubais, Gosh, the dead, Kudrin, Medvedev, Putin’s heap and other vile clique in power.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 54
      -11
      Quote: Severok
      Chubais, I’m gosh dead, Kudrin, Medvedev, Putin’s heap and other

      why the names of ardent liberals with a capital letter, and Putin with a small?
      so you fired ...
      you liberoid mowing under urapatriota !!!
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 October 2018 08: 45
    +10
    An article, continuous demagogy and juggling with words, no numbers, no facts about the cost of extraction, transportation, processing, etc. The continuous cry of Yaroslavna, how badly hucksters live from oil and why it is necessary to raise fuel prices. Well, tell me, dear, has anyone seen a poor oil tycoon, well, at worst, the owner of a gas station? And these ghouls cry before the hard workers plowing, if they still find work, for 10-15 thousand and to pensioners who have from 8 - 12 thousand pensions. I wonder how much they were paid to these candidates for the article. These are the clowns and they rule our economy, creatures.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 10: 57
      -13
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, at worst, the owner of the gas station?

      seen / know
      ps
      I think that he himself is to blame for everything, instead of developing everything he ate ... big networks ravaged a lonely gas station ....
      pp
      Now he carries gas on a fuel truck (new business)
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 26 October 2018 22: 33
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, at worst, the owner of the gas station?

        seen / know
        ps
        I think that he himself is to blame for everything, instead of developing everything he ate ... big networks ravaged a lonely gas station ....
        pp
        Now he carries gas on a fuel truck (new business)

        What a "disadvantageous" business, however!)))
  17. Waldemar
    Waldemar 26 October 2018 08: 53
    +11
    The real price of oil is the cost of production. You can sell abroad at that market price, and for the civilian sphere and industry, oil and its products must be sold at low state prices - this affects the economic climate and development. The situation with Russian oil literally says that oil does not belong to Russia. Therefore, the government does not set a price.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 00
      -12
      Quote: Valdemar
      The real price of oil is the cost of production.

      What do you mean by this concept?
      ps
      what is the cost of timber round timber?
      What is the cost of brushwood in the forest?
      what is the cost of fish in the pond?
      what is the cost of berries in the forest?
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 26 October 2018 11: 08
        +4
        cost is a clear economic concept. I put in it exactly what this term (and this term) means. cost is the cost.
        the cost of fish in the pond is the sum of any costs for fishing this fish.
        for example, if you pour water into a pond through a pipe so that it is not a peach, then this is also included in the cost.
        1. Waldemar
          Waldemar 26 October 2018 11: 29
          +3
          and while "fish in the pond" and you do not hunt it, there is NO cost price, because the cost price does not apply to the moon in the sky. don't steam my brain
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 42
          -10
          Quote: Valdemar
          cost is a clear economic concept.

          yes yes ... and there is also an invisible hand of the market ... open competition, and other concepts that do not work in real life ...
          ps
          if you do not fully understand the concept of "cost", then you can go down the wrong path ...
          1. Waldemar
            Waldemar 26 October 2018 15: 21
            +5
            Listen, you won’t be able to speak my teeth, for this I know how to use my head too well.
  18. steelmaker
    steelmaker 26 October 2018 08: 59
    +3
    That the government, that the oil workers, they have one thing in mind - "it is necessary to increase." It would be better to write how not to increase and to be in profit. And this can only be done by another government with a different economic program, and this will not happen - the people will not allow! After all, there is no one to vote.
  19. BAI
    BAI 26 October 2018 09: 00
    +9
    the high level of prices on world markets (oil. - Aut.) put pressure on domestic prices for motor fuel

    So high world prices put pressure on domestic prices. And why was there no reverse effect when world prices were low?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 02
      -15
      Quote: BAI
      And why was there no reverse effect when world prices were low?

      because it is a hypothesis, not a statement ...
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 October 2018 09: 04
    +17
    We are fine! This is not for you 90s !. We got up from our knees to look at rising prices.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 04
      -12
      Quote: Gardamir
      to look at rising prices.

      and in which country there is no increase in prices (inflation)?
      $ 100 now and $ 100 10 years ago, these are completely different purchasing abilities !!!!
  21. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 26 October 2018 09: 04
    -7
    Yes, at least 200 rubles per liter. If only there was no war !!!
    laughing
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 October 2018 11: 10
      -7
      Quote: ramzes1776
      If only there was no war !!!

      it is unlikely....
      In 2020-22, the Russian Federation will have the LOWEST working age population in history since 1945.
      This is a very favorable factor.
      ps
      by 2020, Putin was supposed to preside in a second term (2012 + 4 + 4)
      by 2020, the nuclear arsenal should have become obsolete ...
  22. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 26 October 2018 09: 10
    +19
    Well, now it has begun, the pension reform, the organizers themselves say it has failed and there is not enough money for it, now fuel and lubricants are getting more expensive, of course this will all hit all segments of the population, especially the poorest, they don't talk about GDP growth either, there is no growth will not be any. All state corporations were given assignments to participate in national projects and not only to them, what this will lead to can be predicted, the management of these corporations will begin to reduce the level of wages for most workers and employees, of course they will not touch their wages. Since August-September prices for food have begun to grow, and now the agrarians and the agroindustry have started talking about the rise in prices for bread, which will primarily hit the poorest strata of the population and pensioners. If we proceed and the presentation of our media as "smart, beautiful, well-fed, tanned, botax" sitting in high chairs do not forget, in every possible way improving their financial capabilities. Yes, cynicism just rolls over, which cannot be said about the presence of MIND.
  23. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 26 October 2018 09: 18
    +8
    Excerpt on the theme of increasing gas prices in the USSR:
    From January 1 to 1969, the following gas prices were introduced for 10 liters(!):
    A-66 - 60 cop.
    A-72 - 70 cop.
    A-76 - 75 cop.
    A-93 - 95 cop.
    A-98 - 1rub. 5 cop.
    Extra - 1 rub.
    Fuel mixture - 80 cop.
    Later, gas prices rose twice - in the 1978 and 1981 years, and each time exactly twice. Eyewitnesses recall what outrage caused the increase in gas prices to 2 rubles. for 10 liters. It seemed unbelievable, because fuel began to cost as much as a liter of draft milk!
    Price per liter 100 rubles .... Waiting for another hyperinflation in the absence of inflation in the bowels of official statistics, lol and after that, when a box of matches will cost 100 rubles, we will cut off a couple of zeros on the banknotes and again "Hello 90s"! fellow
    Capitalism, my friend, this is not a dumb-ass and not a "backward scoop", but you have to spin like in a frying pan! Usem! laughing
    1. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 26 October 2018 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      and after that, when a box of matches will cost 100 rubles, we will cut off a couple of zeros on the banknotes and again "Hello 90s"!

      I remembered the dialogue from the movie "Brother" to the topic:
      - Grandfather, sell your gun.
      -Mulion!
      -Bear.
      -Dollars !!! laughing
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 October 2018 10: 47
      -1
      In 1969, there were NOT so many cars in the country, there was no demand for gasoline as such.
      Now we have a damn thing on the sandpit - more cars than then in the whole country
      And there weren’t very many freight cars, mass motorization went from KAMAZ.,
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 26 October 2018 13: 32
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        there was no demand for gas as such.

        Yes, the planned management of the economy did not allow everything to be exported under the net, creating an artificial "demand" for fuel within the country. wink
        And one more not unimportant nuance - there were no capitalists then either lol
        1. your1970
          your1970 29 October 2018 12: 39
          -1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          And already, the planned management of the economy did not allow everything to be exported under the net, creating an artificial "demand" for fuel within the country.
          And one more not unimportant nuance - there were no capitalists then either
          - only gas and oil and gasoline were exported to ourselves quite well
      2. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 26 October 2018 23: 53
        +1
        What is the demand for gas? In the USSR, he simply had to be at the gas station and was at the gas station. It is clear that in the village more A-76s are needed than Ai-93s, so they were imported according to consumption. And gasoline cost all over the country equally, except for the North and the Far East. On all products that were more expensive there, there was always a mark on the package. For example, on a can of condensed milk.
  24. Conductor
    Conductor 26 October 2018 09: 44
    +6
    And who saw the thread closed and abandoned? Or a refinery?
    1. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 26 October 2018 10: 19
      +2
      https://pressa.tv/foto/68595-zabroshennye-zapravki-27-foto.html

      As much as you like. Even in my small town and area, I can find a few pieces for sure. It is heavier with refineries (and there are not so many quantitative ones in principle), but easily google an abandoned refinery in the Leningrad region. Well, of course you can still find others
  25. Conductor
    Conductor 26 October 2018 09: 55
    +3
    By the way, if Sechin I.I. such a statesman and guardian of the Fatherland, then he should cut his snp from the non-current 16 million greens a year. at least 000 times.
  26. Gerklim
    Gerklim 26 October 2018 10: 01
    +2
    It looks like 80 rubles per liter is just around the corner.
  27. Cananecat
    Cananecat 26 October 2018 10: 18
    +8
    Let's start in order ... any state has borders. Goods crossing this border are subject to taxation or are simply not allowed to go there.
    Now attention is the question. Why is oil being driven to the foreign market without providing the necessary quotas in the domestic? Is it so difficult to force exporters to fill the domestic market so that they can easily go to the foreign market? Why do we create strategic stocks of grain, but cannot create the same strategic stocks of oil?
  28. Cottager452
    Cottager452 26 October 2018 10: 28
    0
    I don’t know a single person who began to travel less because of the price of gas. Even at a price of 100 rubles, some people will refuse to do something else, but 90% will not stop. Excess gas will go abroad. There’s only one benefit, and there will be no other.
  29. Dedok
    Dedok 26 October 2018 10: 37
    +3
    Quote: NEOZ
    Quote: Vard
    I can’t understand one thing ..

    have you tried?
    did you study the economy of turkey?
    Have you studied the features of the Turkish fuel market?


    And where does the above?
    There is no "socialism" there, and the rest is just like ours - according to Adam Smith ...
  30. Dedok
    Dedok 26 October 2018 10: 42
    +6
    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
    they wanted to build capitalism, but got oligarchism, instead of increasing taxes on the extraction of raw materials, to tear more people, the appetites of someone's friends are unlimited fellow

    built feudalism, so to speak - "at a new level of development"
  31. Dedok
    Dedok 26 October 2018 10: 46
    +2
    Quote: Valdemar
    The real price of oil is the cost of production. You can sell abroad at that market price, and for the civilian sphere and industry, oil and its products must be sold at low state prices - this affects the economic climate and development. The situation with Russian oil literally says that oil does not belong to Russia. Therefore, the government does not set a price.

    Вот ссыль по себестоимости:http://www.rbc.ru/business/22/03/2016/56f1aabc9a79477047ec82d2?from=main
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 14: 45
      +1
      then according to the deputy minister of energy, the cost of 1 liter of oil is 86 kopecks belay , yeah specifically rob fellow
  32. vvp2412
    vvp2412 26 October 2018 10: 53
    +9
    Still have not raised the VAT! What are we talking about?
    Just oilmen and oil refineries - dead creatures! When the price of oil goes up, i.e. and gasoline, it is more profitable for them to drive for export in order to receive super-profits. Therefore, it is necessary to raise prices inside to keep part of the fuel for the country. When prices go down, you need to raise prices, because TNCs lose the excess profits they are used to!
    How much can you upgrade? I hear this for years with 2004-2005. They’re constantly upgrading somewhere !? This process is endless !? And should we pay for it? I think that having modernized the capacities, they should work for eleven years !?
  33. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 26 October 2018 10: 57
    +4
    That's interesting, but how are fuel prices rising in other oil-producing countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar. And why in Libya at one time a liter of gasoline was cheaper than a liter of water and the treasury had enough money for huge social expenses (medicine, education, housing, etc.). Maybe the whole point is that the lion's share of oil revenues falls into the pockets of liberal capitalists, and the state is trying to share this pie by raising rates. But the capitalist will never be a capitalist, even being a liberal and supposedly patriot of his country, if he does not shift this burden on the country's population by raising the price of the manufactured goods, but not reducing their share of profits, including cutting the salaries of workers in their enterprises, if possible. These gentlemen are capitalism-cannibalism, and not some kind of fabulous capitalism with a human face, invented as an instrument of the future collapse of the countries of socialism.
  34. akudr48
    akudr48 26 October 2018 11: 09
    +7
    Sechin needs a newer apartment, 5 thousand meters in the old one is not enough. When will they get drunk ...
  35. 1970mk
    1970mk 26 October 2018 11: 27
    +8
    Say thanks to SECHIN!
  36. evgenii67
    evgenii67 26 October 2018 11: 27
    +11
    No money, no money. Where to get? Correctly! from the people! VAT, gasoline, pension reform, etc. Almost half of the budget is replenished with oil and gas, the budget was made up at the rate of $ 40 per barrel, for a long time this barrel has cost more than $ 70. feel the profit ??? me neither. Where is the money, Zin?
  37. Semen1972
    Semen1972 26 October 2018 12: 16
    -12
    If there will be fewer traffic jams, then let there be 200 rubles !!!
    In general, these are taxes, and taxes are helping brothers in Syria !!! Pluses again.
    I do not see the minuses .. not one !!!!!
  38. kriten
    kriten 26 October 2018 12: 34
    +1
    Everything is much simpler - this is a competition to see who gets the most from robbing the people. The government is losing and even tolerating diktat, because “let the hand of the giver not fail.” That's all. As Kuzma Prutkov said - look at the root.
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 26 October 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: Michael m
    I'm afraid to imagine distant goals. And an alternative. "God forbid to see a Russian revolt, senseless and merciless!"

    To quote the classics, it is of course "valid". And if merciless, but with meaning? wassat
  40. Fitter65
    Fitter65 26 October 2018 13: 23
    +1
    Now, it seems, should grow again:

    Nothing seems to happen, Komsomolsk-on-Amur gas station "Flagman" AI-92 from yesterday evening 43 r 90 kopecks. The day before yesterday was 41r 10 kopecks. And 7 days ago it was exactly 41 rubles.
  41. AleBors
    AleBors 26 October 2018 14: 20
    +5
    Caring for the population. Now everything is on bicycles and scooters ... So far, they have not introduced a tax on them .. But they will introduce them, we will walk on foot ... True, also not for long ... They will also introduce shoes.
    In general, in our government they will find something to please us with.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 22: 45
      +2
      Quote: AleBors
      Shoes will also be introduced.

      the guarantor will please, sovereign,
      bast and bast tax fellow
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 29 October 2018 07: 16
      +1
      Floor how many bicycles do you need to replace all truckers for distribution networks? Even I can hardly imagine cyclists ... in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug ... in -35 ... when you need to unwind 100 kilometers ...))))
  42. Special department
    Special department 26 October 2018 18: 07
    -7
    On foot you need to learn how to walk men and public transport is also possible ..))) And then I look, many in Russia have picked up cars on credit (the poorer the steeper car))) And whine to all of Russia from Moscow! laughing
    Even in a deep province, where you can walk calmly faster on foot, there is a huge car movement ..
    I always wondered where can I go? Yes, in the same Moscow, they whine at traffic jams for hours, they stand yelling at each other .. hehe
    I sold my own for a long time and I go and enjoy the world around .. (although I really miss the car, I even dream ..))))
    Everything is expensive and the more cars, the more you will be "shod" for everything ..
    So don't whine figs! I remember the times of the USSR, coupons were lying around for gasoline at my father's place, go to any chauffeur .. will pour gasoline without being greedy .. And how much non-ferrous metal was lying under your feet? Now a procrastination for money and not small need to buy! So, "riders" do not cry, they make a lot of money for you (for that you are in cars ..)))
    Here's something like this ..
    PS / I’ll buy a car (reliable and do-it-yourself, I’ve examined every detail) and I’ll go to Russia to travel to my mother .. (my dream!)
    On a tank it would be better to Europe ..!
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 29 October 2018 07: 23
      +2
      Will trucks with goods on holy water move around or will they hire fairy shops with unicorns? Let's leave about motorists. The point is that the price of fuel and prices in stores are directly related. And all sorts of "platons" and obsolete trading networks must be taken into account.
  43. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 26 October 2018 18: 49
    -6
    Do you know that Putin has built tens of hundreds of factories, raised agriculture to unprecedented heights and lowered the liberals? I also ask you to take into account that the livestock population in the Tomsk region has increased nine times over the past seven years, and in Moscow a small but humanoid robot stood up and spoke. Our Tomsk Internet edition "Tomsk" wrote about this in detail. This robot's name is Grisha, he is only one year old, but he already knows how to shoot and sing the wonderful Russian song “Our proud“ Varyag ”does not surrender to the enemy”. Therefore, I ask you to dedicate this Friday post to Russia by writing something sincere, we just do not have enough of it now, although we are very pleased with our pensions, thanks to the President. You probably don't have that either, but we have cheese, sour cream, and mushrooms so that you will all die there in the event of an atomic war, but we will be fine, thank you.
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 26 October 2018 23: 06
      +2
      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      Putin has built tens of hundreds of factories

      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      agriculture raised to unprecedented heights

      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      lowered the liberals

      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      This robot’s name is Grisha, he’s only one year old, but he already knows how to shoot and sing a wonderful Russian song

      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      you will all die there in the event of an atomic war, but everything will be fine with us

      baby mouth fellow
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 October 2018 23: 30
      0
      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      and the mushrooms are such that you will all die there in the event of an atomic war, and everything will be fine with us, thank you.

      What kind of mushrooms are these? Do not share, huh?
    3. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 1 November 2018 01: 39
      0
      what - there were 6 cows in Ivanteevka - became 54? - and the whole region looks with envy at the village with cows?
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    5. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 1 November 2018 01: 42
      0
      what - there were 6 cows in Ivanteevka - became 54? - and the whole region looks with envy at the village with cows?
  44. Poru4ik
    Poru4ik 26 October 2018 18: 59
    +5
    Merged two photos into one file. On the left side is a gas station near Limassol in September 2012, on the right side is a gas station near Paphos in August 2018.
  45. Zefr
    Zefr 26 October 2018 19: 54
    +2
    That is, even if we take the only narrow industry in Russia around which all government attention revolves, all aspirations and hopes ...
    Even here, the Government is absolutely helpless to take at least some reasonable decisions and create stable production.
    As I understand it.
    And where is the young genius who calculated pension reform on his calculator? Can give him another task?
    But after a long and difficult differentiation, I think I know what he will say - you need to raise the price of gasoline to 100 rubles.
  46. Campanella
    Campanella 26 October 2018 23: 46
    +3
    Vladimir Vladimirovich was at the time of his epoch-making work to write "My Struggle", where he described in paints the vicissitudes of a fierce battle against corruption, with foreign oligarchs, with the remnants of the Soviet industry, with the oil industry, with the gas industry ... with poverty ...
    All this reminded me of an old Soviet anecdote: The collective farm chairman reports on the results of his work- "Last year we sowed 10 hectares of cannabis, everything was eaten by aphids! Last year we sowed 50 hectares of cannabis, aphids ate all of it again! ha of hemp! Let it choke damn! "
    The activity of the shining one reminds this story very much.
  47. Tochilka
    Tochilka 27 October 2018 03: 18
    0
    personal assholes - legacy mr. President Eltsin ... bought on credit, what are you whining for?
    PS The personal driver carries a car every morning at a cost of 7,5 million rubles.
  48. prior
    prior 27 October 2018 09: 52
    +1
    If the country had an operating mechanism for holding a referendum, then the question of the resignation of the government does not even need to predict the result.
    Zadolbali!
  49. looker-on
    looker-on 28 October 2018 13: 20
    -2
    Quote: Mr Credo
    Here you are a storyteller so storyteller! People and 7200 have a salary and 5700. The average is somewhere around 15, 20 is good, but for 30 you will live at work! Well, 50 you will receive if the head or deputy. Of course they go on shift.


    You and your environment do not know how to earn money. I don’t want to offend anyone, but my environment (ordinary people) for 30 thousand are ready, perhaps, only to hold a preliminary meeting (consultation)
    1. kitt409
      kitt409 30 October 2018 11: 07
      +1
      The price depends on many factors, including the place of residence, it would seem - what is the problem, move, but life is more difficult, alas - what if mom is already well over 70 and she categorically refuses to go, she has all the relatives here, mostly, though, in the cemetery, but she regularly visits them.
      So it’s not so simple ...