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This Internet is not needed in Russia: FSB has opposed the American OneWeb project

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FSB opposes the deployment of the OneWeb satellite communications system over Russia, which should cover the entire planet with high-speed Internet, the agency reports Rider.



The publication quotes the representative of the FSB, Vladimir Sadovnikov, who said last week that the guarantees of the western partners that the satellite communications system is not reconnaissance in nature are largely a declaration and cannot be reliably verified by the Russian side.

In addition, OneWeb may become a monopolist in providing Internet in remote regions of the Russian Federation. This system will make the work of Russian operators unprofitable, especially in sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas. As a result, some areas will become fully dependent on OneWeb, the FSB spokesman said.

According to him, the only possible way to counter such threats, especially in the Far North and the Arctic, is to limit the use of services of foreign companies and develop their own communication systems with similar functionality.

He proposed to create a satellite communications system in conjunction with China, India and other countries that do not lead an aggressive policy towards the Russian Federation.

The agency recalls that OneWeb was founded by ex-Google manager Greg Wyler (Britain) and plans to launch 900 satellites into orbit. Investors in the project are Airbus, Coca-Cola, Bharti, Virgin Group and other companies that have invested about $ 1,7 billion in it.

In 2015, OneWeb entered into an agreement with the French Arianspace and Roscosmos to launch several hundred communications devices. The Russian "Unions" were to put them into orbit. An 21 scheduled launch of these media. The launch of the first batch of satellites into orbit was planned for the end of 2017 of the year, but since then it has been shifted to the right several times. According to the latest agency data, the launch of the rocket should take place between December of this year and February of the next.

In addition, OneWeb strengthened its partnership with Roscosmos in 2017 by creating a joint venture with the Gonets satellite system, receiving a share equal to 60%. However, the Russian side intends to increase its share to 51% - this is one of the conditions for the existence of the project in Russia.
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  1. Snail N9
    Snail N9 25 October 2018 12: 39
    -6
    That is, "I myself will not - din and I will not give to the other"? As, everything is familiar and recognizable - thoughts in only one direction: "do not let go", "forbid", "restrict" and the like ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 October 2018 12: 45
      -2
      [media = http: // ]
    2. Jolly oldster sailor
      Jolly oldster sailor 25 October 2018 12: 50
      -4
      I agree to all 975% laughing good Today they don’t let me say a word. Uncles are ahead of me, I’ve become quite old .......
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 25 October 2018 13: 02
        +37
        He proposed the creation of a satellite communications system in conjunction with China, India and other countries.

        It is necessary to create. And as quickly as possible.
        Because you can connect to a satellite without asking for power. And then quickly a significant part of the population will switch to OneWeb. In the event of NATO complications, this network over Russia will be disconnected, which will cause significant damage.
        1. Genry
          Genry 25 October 2018 13: 48
          -17
          Quote: Shurik70
          And then quickly a significant part of the population will switch to OneWeb.

          Most likely the population is fried under this microwave radiation. Planet Earth in the microwave ...
          Internet, telephony, television ... And who will pay for this banquet ???
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 25 October 2018 13: 57
            +10
            Quote: Genry
            Most likely the population is fried under this microwave radiation. Planet Earth in the microwave ...



            what kind of microwave?

            And is it here?


            According to sabzh - I do not like the idea of ​​limiting

            You have to do your own thing or demand a stake in OneWeb so that there is either competition or control


            ... that the guarantees of Western partners that the satellite communications system is not reconnaissance in nature are more a declaration and cannot be reliably verified by the Russian side ....



            Is it possible without OneWeb there are few reconnaissance satellites flying over the country?












            1. Genry
              Genry 25 October 2018 14: 31
              -2
              Quote: bulvas
              what kind of microwave?

              Have you been to physics at school?
              Quote: bulvas
              And is it here?

              Well, as it were, all mobile communications are holding onto this.
              Quote: bulvas
              According to sabzh - I do not like the idea of ​​limiting

              NLP and dumb looping - did not notice in the Western information channels?
              And you are not afraid that in addition to a shift in consciousness (its borders), you will begin to narrow it. Although about the microwave already ...
              1. bulvas
                bulvas 25 October 2018 18: 36
                +3
                Quote: Genry
                Have you been to physics at school?

                Quote: Genry
                Well, as it were, all mobile communications are holding onto this.



                is this not the radiation from which they are fried, or are you confused with the microwave?

                is

                the intensity in the microwave is different, it will fry from it.

                while it’s not about kitchen appliances and radars,

                from mobile and satellite communications has not yet been fried by anyone

                Quote: Genry
                And you are not afraid that in addition to a shift in consciousness (its borders), you will begin to narrow it. Although about the microwave already ...


                Do you think it will be like you?
                with consciousness?

                Are there already cases of "frying"?





                judging by your statements ...
                1. Genry
                  Genry 26 October 2018 18: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: bulvas
                  is this not the radiation from which they are fried, or are you confused with the microwave?

                  You obviously skipped physics ...
                  Until golden brown you certainly will not fry, But any radiation brings energy (per unit area or volume). Moreover, these processes are chaotic in nature. And this results in the fact that parts of the body can heat up for a short time, and the body stabilization system simply does not have time to compensate for these processes. As a result, you will get higher probabilities of malignant diseases.
                  Cellular telephony is considered safe only with little use. But with a strong enthusiasm, thromboses occur, the brains become dull - but this is hardly noticeable to the user. And with even more intense tumors in the brain ...
                  Close Wi-Fi, with a lot of traffic - it immediately causes a headache for many (hello to tablets and laptops).
                  Satellite communications, for mobile use, will shine on you with all frequencies and high powers, because no one wants to carry a plate with them. Now there is a small number of subscribers and therefore the radiation is "bearable". But if used on a massive scale, you will want to fly to a "clean" planet.
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    3. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 October 2018 13: 05
      +14
      It is necessary not to prohibit but rather to launch the domestic "Sphere", and there it will be seen
    4. KLV2018
      KLV2018 25 October 2018 13: 12
      +3
      why do people need normal internet.
      Let him go Solovyov and Kisilev look.
      and no need to think.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 25 October 2018 18: 54
        +3
        Quote: KLV2018
        why do people need normal internet.
        Let him go Solovyov and Kisilev look.
        and no need to think.



        went to people, bad air released




      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 25 October 2018 21: 28
        +6
        You do not have a normal internet connection? Are you forced to watch Kiselev and Solovyov with a stick? It may be enough to repeat the liberoid nonsense.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 25 October 2018 23: 23
          +3
          Quote: KLV2018
          why do people need normal internet.
          Let him go Solovyov and Kisilev look.
          and no need to think.


          Quote: ZAV69
          Are you forced to watch Kiselev and Solovyov with a stick?


          the man who ruined the air here

          apparently only watches CNN and "Culture"

          where to us, quilted jackets, before him, we and the Internet have no normal




    5. Altona
      Altona 25 October 2018 13: 14
      +15
      Quote: Snail N9
      That is, "I myself will not - din and I will not give to the other"? As, everything is familiar and recognizable - thoughts in only one direction: "do not let go", "forbid", "restrict" and the like ...

      -------------------------
      The appetite for administration, which killed the USSR, will kill the Russian Federation. At one time, the party elite, sensing the sciatic nerve of the threat of total computerization, contracted it in time for itself and stopped the technical progress in the USSR, or rather strongly slowed it down with a slip. Today "those who want to reign forever" are jumping on the old rake, forgetting that computer affairs are so well updated in 4 years and more advanced encryption tools will replace VPN.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 25 October 2018 14: 10
        +11
        I wonder when this appetite threatens the US and the EU?
    6. loki565
      loki565 25 October 2018 13: 37
      +14
      Of course, the population will be in favor of a fast and inexpensive Internet ... They go along the simplest way, do not let go of the slow Internet for horse tariffs ..
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 25 October 2018 14: 00
        +10
        Of course, the population will be for a fast and inexpensive Internet ..
        I live in Chukotka, I have an Internet tariff of 3900 rubles per month. For this money, I get 90 (ninety) meters of fast Internet, and 110 (one hundred and ten) truncated. Per day.
        1. Fedorov
          Fedorov 25 October 2018 14: 39
          +1
          Gosha sad And at me near Kiev -3 bucks without problems at a speed of 100 per month.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 26 October 2018 16: 12
            0
            3 bucks? I envy. We have 80.
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 25 October 2018 14: 12
        +13
        laughing Already starting to bargain? Country for fast internet. Not cheap?
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      4. AlexG83
        AlexG83 25 October 2018 20: 01
        +5
        Quote: loki565
        Of course, the population will be in favor of a fast and inexpensive Internet ... They go along the simplest way, do not let go of the slow Internet for horse tariffs ..


        Is the Internet in Russia not one of the cheapest? Rosstelecom, 600r full 8MBit unlimited (1024KB \ s). (Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug)
        TELE2 From 750r to 1100r, 40Gb, full unlimited at night. And there is quite competition between operators. But in your opinion, you need an enemy satellite flying over the head, with full control of traffic and spy functions. And there will be complete happiness, especially for the Russian economy, which is criticized at the same time.
      5. ZAV69
        ZAV69 25 October 2018 21: 33
        +5
        Where did you find horse fares? Right now in the market the fight for the subscriber is in big cities. Dumping on terrible. Even here, in a small district center, 30-50 megabits cost about 300 rubles, and for toy lovers, 100 megabits with gaming bonuses cost only 800. Much cheaper then?
        1. vargo
          vargo 26 October 2018 10: 47
          +2
          And I ask you to notice this in Europe and the United States tariffs are many times more expensive! Times! I have friends, so they are surprised at the price of our Internet.
          On the topic yet: Yes, I agree that it’s impossible for someone else’s companions, ate this shit, and it’s better to invest in your development. Again, evaluate the required profitability of the project and check it for a blow! Perhaps this is another project, so that in an attempt to protect ourselves, we spend money on empty unnecessary technology. Of course, I have not seen prices, and I don’t know what this Internet will give, but it would be interesting for me to see at least some layouts for speeds, necessary equipment, and prices for all this.
    7. Machito
      Machito 25 October 2018 13: 49
      +19
      American satellite Internet will work against Russia. There is no doubt about that. Russia needs to develop its technologies, primarily software. It's time to say goodbye to Windows, Apple, Google, Android and other spy crap. If we do not want to repeat the history of the USSR.
      1. Berber
        Berber 25 October 2018 15: 44
        +5
        If we are talking about the media, then the Internet is a double-edged weapon. It can be used by both our and non-our special services. But about purely technical reconnaissance functions, maybe, but also with a pitchfork on the water. Because there are enough specialized satellites, and it makes little sense to load these additionally. Of the real threats - shutdown in case of next sanctions.
        1. vargo
          vargo 26 October 2018 10: 50
          +3
          Maybe you also meant it, but I’ll clarify. In addition to equipping the satellites themselves with additional equipment, the most dangerous thing here is the absolute US control over the equipment and its tasks. That is, they want to wrap all the communication channels of the world upon themselves having such a weak lever in case of any confrontation with them, both military and political. Reducing the volume of traffic transmitted is an excellent hint to any state, as well as wiretapping, spoofing, hacking.
          It is impossible ... at least over our territory should be our companions.
          1. Berber
            Berber 6 November 2018 09: 10
            0
            I repeat - I agree about the control of infotraffic, but not about intelligence functions.
      2. freddyk
        freddyk 25 October 2018 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: Bearded
        It's time to say goodbye to Windows, Apple, Google, Android and other spy crap. If we do not want to repeat the history of the USSR.

        Even I don’t remember anything like that in the USSR :-) But in fact, Russia needs a lot of things, but the needs of Russia are at odds with the needs of the ruling class. The needs of the state in the background
    8. Megatron
      Megatron 25 October 2018 15: 03
      -1
      Of course, it will be more difficult to plant people for memasics!
    9. Irokez
      Irokez 25 October 2018 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: Snail N9
      That is, "I myself will not - din and I will not give to the other"?

      In one word "Snail". No brains - what to talk about.
    10. faterdom
      faterdom 25 October 2018 17: 22
      +7
      All (!) Global projects and organizations will be created or recreated without the United States. Only then do they make sense as international. Otherwise, the Americans always abuse, and try to pull American laws on any globe with a semi-literate American judge.
    11. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 October 2018 18: 43
      +8
      Quote: Snail N9
      That is, "I myself will not - din and I will not give to the other"? As, everything is familiar and recognizable - thoughts in only one direction: "do not let go", "forbid", "restrict" and the like ...

      Russia is violating the creation of the global satellite Internet system “Sphere”. The project involves the deployment of a system of small satellites from 640, which will provide comprehensive services for communication, navigation and remote sensing of the Earth throughout the planet. This is an incredibly difficult, but still feasible task, which will allow us to create our own national system of access to the Internet and mobile communications, independent of third countries. However, this project is only part of a comprehensive strategy to strengthen the information sovereignty of our country.

      The issue of creating its own system of root DNS servers, independent of ICANN, which generally determine the work of global Internet addressing and most of which is now under US control, is currently being considered. The ideas of the father of the Chinese firewall Fan Binshin, which indicates that between several countries, for example, Russia and China, can be used to create a direct exchange of data bypassing the US root DNS servers, are taken as the basis.
      Now all our efforts are aimed at overcoming this dependence as soon as possible. But it’s important to understand that this is not about creating your own Internet isolated from the world, but about making it possible to use the network without looking at the “foreign switch”. In case of successful implementation, users in Russia will not notice, in general, any inconvenience.

      The first satellites of the Sphere system will be launched into orbit as early as 2022. By 2028, the formation of the group will be completed. Like any large project, this one will pull many others along.
    12. Borsht
      Borsht 26 October 2018 04: 28
      +1
      "This system will make the work of Russian operators unprofitable ..."
      The meaning of all the footcloths and FSB crows.
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    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 25 October 2018 23: 05
      0
      Of course, it’s much better for you when all the traffic will be from the NSA and the CIA. Yes, only to hell with you, American litter.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 25 October 2018 12: 43
    +8
    I suppose sho and China, some more, they will rule this idea, however much later, if they just do not send naf!
    At least this will be an ELEMENT of a network-centric system, which is so necessary for conducting a WAR according to THEIR RULES and WANTES.
    We are not ready for this at all, so sho not fig sales for later!
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 25 October 2018 13: 08
      -8
      Quote: rocket757
      At least this will be an ELEMENT of a network-centric system, which is so necessary for conducting a WAR according to THEIR RULES and WANTES.

      Cinema and music are the same part of the elements of this WAR. FORBID !!!! ALL FORBIDDEN !!!! ALL HEADS WITH SHOULDER !!!!!
      1. loki565
        loki565 25 October 2018 13: 43
        +8
        It's like with roaming inside the country, many foreigners are indulging in such monopolies)))
      2. Berber
        Berber 25 October 2018 15: 48
        0
        I agree with you, but partially. It is not necessary to completely ban, some censorship is needed (for outright abominations). Yes, and raise your own to the desired level.
      3. freddyk
        freddyk 25 October 2018 15: 57
        +3
        Quote: Semen1972
        Cinema and music are the same part of the elements of this WAR. FORBID !!!! ALL FORBIDDEN !!!! ALL HEADS WITH SHOULDER !!!!!

        No need to go to extremes. It is not necessary to prohibit everything, but it is also impossible to allow everything, we are already reaping the fruits of permissiveness. Here, China, as always wisely approaches this issue, protects its nation from the global chernukha, at the same time security is at the level :-)
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 25 October 2018 17: 41
          -6
          Quote: freddyk
          No need to go to extremes. It’s not necessary to prohibit everything, but it is also impossible to allow everything, we are already reaping the fruits of permissiveness

          I agree. Everything should not be prohibited, but much must be prohibited, and what was not prohibited is not allowed. All troubles come from permissiveness. All these foreign films, computer games, rap and rock music .. this clothes and lifestyle ... all this must be banned. Knowledge of foreign languages ​​and young people's access to world culture is first and foremost. The ulcers of world evil will seep into our souls and blood. if everything is not prohibited on time. !!! My son, for example, can only read books by authors of the USSR, has no gadgets and TV. Study-library-house. And he doesn’t shoot children at school !!!
    2. spektr9
      spektr9 25 October 2018 13: 59
      +1
      I suppose sho and China, some more, this idea will be taxied
      China has no problems with providing Internet, but in the far north 2000 rubles per month is the slowest
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 October 2018 14: 18
        +2
        All our Wishlist, wishes to our military, and not ours, pof !!!
        I have the same Internet "rotten" so what? Can you think they will ask us? We have to carry out a GAZ on the next street, a whole expensive bodyguard was divorced for three years, and you suffer for the Internet.
        I consider the situation from the point of view of our military strategists, chiefs, nothing more!
        How will it be in fact? Who knows? We weren’t informed if we hadn’t been told by journalists and interested parties.
        That's all, see how it goes.
        By the way, at the expense of using the proposed system for military purposes and not by us, which is understandable, this is not a joke ... their "penguins" and other "network" gadgets, combat systems, this network will be right in the suit!
  4. Loess
    Loess 25 October 2018 12: 45
    +14
    guarantees of western partners
    Warranties of Western partners, as practice shows, can only be useful if they are printed on soft paper 54 meters in a roll. In general, we must create such systems ourselves. Let together with the same China.
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 October 2018 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Less
      In general, we must create such systems ourselves.

      But you do not need to get involved in cosmic ranges and, accordingly, radiation powers. And so cockroaches, bees and ... bad.
      Anyway, most of the information will be transmitted via optical fiber, as it does not destroy the environment and does not have a limit on the amount of information.
  5. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
    KBaHT_BpeMeHu 25 October 2018 12: 46
    -6
    These are not all gentlemen, especially those who like to change their flags, from November 1, everyone who uses the proxy server system will commit a crime.
    1. reservist
      reservist 25 October 2018 12: 55
      +7
      title of the law and article number in the studio, pls
      what punishment is provided? who will determine what proxy is used? and if a trojan accesses a proxy, then who will be punished?
      1. Altona
        Altona 25 October 2018 13: 16
        0
        Quote: reservist
        title of the law and article number in the studio, pls

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        https://rg.ru/2018/06/05/gosduma-priniala-zakon-o-shtrafah-za-obhod-blokirovki-v-internete.html
        1. reservist
          reservist 25 October 2018 14: 54
          +4
          the article mentions chapter 13 of the Code of Administrative Offenses ...
          looked at the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation ... saw some interesting (probably new) articles
          13.30. Failure to comply with statutory requirements by a person acting on behalf of a telecommunications operator, or non-compliance telecom operator established procedure for identifying subscribers
          13.31. Default information dissemination organizer on the Internet
          13.32. Default owner of a news aggregator
          13.34. Failure telecom operatorproviding services for providing access to the information and telecommunications network "Internet", the obligation to restrict or resume access to information, access to which must be limited or renewed on the basis of information received from the federal executive body exercising control and supervision functions in the field of communications, information technology and mass communications
          13.39. Default instant messenger service organizer
          13.40. Default search engine operator

          and didn’t manage to understand under what article the use of proxies by an individual would be classified ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 25 October 2018 14: 57
            0
            Quote: reservist
            and didn’t manage to understand under what article the use of proxies by an individual would be classified ...

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            A newspaper article says something about fines for individuals. In general, when the law was discussed, or rather amendments to the Code of Administrative Offenses, commentators said that there would be nothing for an individual, an ordinary user, all this should be observed by providers.
            1. reservist
              reservist 25 October 2018 16: 19
              +1
              the article really writes about fines for physicists
              but in order to write a fine, you need to draw up a protocol, make a decision on the offense, then there must be an appropriate article in the law / code and some service should be authorized / obliged to carry out these actions (in the same mass order as catching fare dodgers in public transport or violators of traffic rules), but with this, it’s just misunderstanding ...
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                2. Genry
                  Genry 25 October 2018 14: 13
                  -7
                  Quote: Altona
                  Where are the Bolsheviks now? Are they represented somewhere?

                  You confuse the availability and popularity among the population in the elections.
                  The Bolsheviks are bending their stick about the class war, trying to rock the political situation in the country and playing into the hands of the State Department, as during the perestroika and the collapse of the USSR.
                  Selling a pre-election place to Grudinin is generally a masterpiece.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 25 October 2018 14: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Genry
                    You confuse the availability and popularity among the population in the elections.
                    The Bolsheviks are bending their stick about the class war, trying to rock the political situation in the country and playing into the hands of the State Department, as during the perestroika and the collapse of the USSR.

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                    I do not confuse anything, Mr. Romanov is looking for "Bolsheviks". More details about the "class war" please. We have 200 billionaires and several hundred thousand super-rich people. Completely unnecessary to the country, pumping the country's wealth abroad. Well, the fact that ethnic wars are going on along the edges of the country is probably nonsense in your opinion. The main thing is that there should be no "class war". Uhhh, how scary it will be, there will be "raptures", "shootings" and in general. The saddest thing is that Khrushchev and his current heirs were doing this, having shot the Supreme Soviet in 1993.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 25 October 2018 15: 18
                      -5
                      Quote: Altona
                      We have 200 billionaires and several hundred thousand super-rich people. A country completely unnecessary, pumping the country's wealth abroad.

                      And you just had to think about who gave them the initial capital for fraud with privatization? Who oversees them and gives competent advice on the withdrawal of money? And who controls this money?
                      Or you do not want to notice the main thing that interests (we will not poke a finger) of another state are involved here. And how much you do not shoot these Russian bourgeois (dream of the Bolsheviks), new ones will always appear. Reducing their influence and improving social justice can only be done by changing the Constitution, where Russia will have more sovereignty and a stronger financial system (now the central bank is a branch of the Fed and is subordinate to the IMF), with a normal lending rate that will not push businessmen into offshore.
                      1. Altona
                        Altona 25 October 2018 15: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Genry
                        And you just had to think about who gave them the initial capital for fraud with privatization? Who oversees them and gives competent advice on the withdrawal of money? And who controls this money?

                        -------------------------------
                        So change the Constitution, it's just a piece of paper. Although your maxims about the Constitution strongly smell like the NOD of deputy Zhenya Fedorov. It is better to listen to Fursov's lectures on YouTube about the "theory of elites." Why the Russian elite was worse than the Anglo-Saxon elite. And she was worse, because she was poorer than the Anglo-Saxon, and wanted to equal her. Well, the Anglo-Saxons could not rob their people, but suck them out of the colonies. In general, look at Fursov better. And about "enough to think", then it is undesirable for me to be rude, I myself know how.
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 25 October 2018 16: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: Altona
                        So change the Constitution, it's just a piece of paper.

                        You are clearly a paid up manipulator. The basic law of direct action, which defines the basic principles of the state called a piece of paper?
                        Quote: Altona
                        Although your maxims about the Constitution are strongly smacked by the deputy of Zhenya Fedorov.

                        Zhenya, list these "maxims", otherwise it is not clear what is in your head.
                        Quote: Altona
                        It is better to listen to Fursov's lectures on YouTube about the "theory of elites."

                        Fursev says a lot of things right, but does nothing. And Fedorov specifically points out the points of pressure on Russia that are laid down in the Constitution. How it all turned out under Yeltsin under the leadership of American consultants. Fursev does not contradict Fedorov, he just talks about something else and, as it were, washes his brains with a statement like "it just happened."
                      3. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 26 October 2018 13: 24
                        -1
                        "And no matter how long you shoot these Russian bourgeois (the dream of the Bolsheviks), new ones will always appear. It is possible to reduce their influence and improve social justice only by changing the Constitution."


                        What heresy .. hospadi ..
                        Stalin would have shot in a week .. and whoever would have appeared a new one would have shot those .. And the whole story ..

                        In the meantime, we have not Stalin, but Putin, then we have to invent a chukhnya a la "the interests of another state are involved (let's not poke a finger)."
                  2. Forestol
                    Forestol 25 October 2018 17: 11
                    -1
                    hahaha! Are you the separatist Zyuganov who ordered the KGB to destroy the CPSU and entered the Bolsheviks?? The Communist Party is, like the LDPR, the creature of the KGB, now the FSB.
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 25 October 2018 13: 47
                +13
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Svarog
                What are the louts all the same United Russia ..

                The United Russia party is rude, and the Bolsheviks want to hang and shoot their fellow citizens. Do not choke in the blood

                We don’t want our own citizens .. but people who are citizens of not only our country .. here, yes .. there is something to think about ... to shoot not humanely .. To cut down the forest .. to plant 3 rubles. and see how they will survive .. in general, you need to re-educate .. compare official incomes and expenses .. and then re-education .. so, you don’t need to write about executions and blood ... admit .. you’re afraid of re-education ..
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      3. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 25 October 2018 14: 50
        +2
        Heh heh heh ... but how will the non-brothers be fined? We will send you to Ukria with a receipt, will you go?
        We won’t give money for the return trip, anyway you won’t return soon ...
    3. Altona
      Altona 25 October 2018 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
      These are not all gentlemen, especially those who like to change their flags, from November 1, everyone who uses the proxy server system will commit a crime.

      ----------------------
      Describe how physically it will be possible to administer such a law? There are a lot of people who want to control the Internet, but there are plenty of opportunities. There will be an analogue of the "Yarovaya law".
      1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
        KBaHT_BpeMeHu 25 October 2018 14: 19
        -1
        Describe how it would be physically possible to administer such a law
        I will not describe technologies, nothing new. But even dark web professionals are caught, ordinary users will be even easier, I hope that it will be executed in the same way as the "Yarovaya Law" and then we'll see.
  6. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 25 October 2018 12: 50
    +6
    Well, the fact that stopping progress with bans is either very expensive or impossible. There are more economical motives, because if someone launches free Internet, walking with a large ping (well, there is 150-200 ms), then for the majority of the population this is enough, and a lot of Internet marketing businesses will suffer. But such is progress.
  7. Jerk
    Jerk 25 October 2018 12: 51
    +7
    The Chinese officially summer proposed the Russian Federation to create an analogue of OneWeb. Moreover, networks of this type will be created and it will be impossible to deal with this - it is impossible purely physically. Not to mention that it is stupid, for example, the well-known FACT, that the development of telecommunications directly correlates with the development of business. That is, even the AMERICAN network over the Russian Federation is money to the budget of the Russian Federation. Waving the wrong way, FSB. You need to think how to ADVANCE the USA in this aspect - by creating a Russian network, so that MORE money goes to the budget of the Russian Federation, even from the RUSSIAN network itself.
    LETTERS: in general, the OneWeb project has long been a joke - money has been invested for a long time, there are no technical obstacles, but nevertheless there is no network. Two microsatellites with a bluff started things - and that's all done, why - no one understands lol
  8. Guru
    Guru 25 October 2018 12: 59
    +3
    OneWeb may become a monopolist in the provision of Internet in remote regions of the Russian Federation. This system will make unprofitable the work of Russian operators, especially in sparsely populated and inaccessible areas.
    What a sweet statement, but they drive into our heads that in Russia the cheapest Internet. And so it turns out that the top three of our mobile operators are afraid of losing profits.
    -SOME THERE IS NOT PURE.
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 25 October 2018 13: 19
      +5
      Watching with whom to compare, and looking at which networks. An example - in Moscow or in St. Petersburg, how much does it cost to connect to a network? Zero cents, only a monthly fee, right? Well, compare with Mariupol, for example, check - the subscriber’s connection is around 100 bucks, PLUS the subscriber. So it’s obviously cheaper - in Moscow.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 25 October 2018 14: 52
      +5
      Quote: Guru
      -SOME THERE IS NOT PURE.

      and what exactly is not clean? in the sense of "what if you think about it with your head?" wink
      a remote village somewhere in the taiga. it’ll connect to a satellite channel, even if it will be 100 times more expensive than the Internet in a large city, it’s still cheaper than dragging and dropping.
      to understand that the presence of such a network of satellites over the territory of the country under the control of a potential enemy is a serious danger for the country, for this it is not necessary to work in the FSB, you just need to have at least a little brain in your head. the fact that you need to deploy your network is also an obvious fact.
      1. glk63
        glk63 26 October 2018 00: 45
        -1
        What threat to the country's security is the connection to Vasya’s satellite Internet in any Zakhryukinsk? I think that nobody forces our military to use OneWeb ...
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 26 October 2018 13: 05
          -1
          Quote: glk63
          What threat to the country's security is the connection to Vasya’s satellite Internet in any Zakhryukinsk? I think that nobody forces our military to use OneWeb ...

          I have a feeling that you are a hippie - a child of flowers. Tell me, if I write an "ornithological drone" on the Tomahawk CD, you will not have any questions if they will fly over your head?
          read the article. there it is clear, in Russian, it says: "The publication quotes the words of FSB spokesman Vladimir Sadovnikov, who said last week that the guarantees of the Western partners that the satellite communication system is not of an intelligence nature are more of a declaration and cannot be reliably verified the Russian side. "
          what the "guarantees of the Western partners" are worth can be judged by NATO's eastward expansion.
    3. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 50
      0
      Yes, today they measure not security, but profit. Suddenly.
  9. Imobile
    Imobile 25 October 2018 13: 00
    -7
    Yes, in general, progress is alien to us, we must prohibit cell phones and computers, and everyone should be driven around the cave so that everyone sees the back of the head of a neighbor and reports on his actions.
    1. Guru
      Guru 25 October 2018 13: 06
      +1
      cell computers is this such a curiosity?
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 25 October 2018 13: 08
        -1
        Corrected. Eyed
    2. Genry
      Genry 25 October 2018 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: Imobile
      so that everyone sees the back of the head of a neighbor and reports on his actions.

      Have you yet noticed this in the USA and Europe? You can only bad about Russia, otherwise a pack of howls and growls.
  10. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 25 October 2018 13: 06
    +2
    Such projects should become international, which should include representatives of interested countries. And in this case it would be easier to control so that the new system does not threaten our national security. hi
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 25 October 2018 13: 24
      +3
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Such projects should become international, which should include representatives of interested countries. And in this case it would be easier to control so that the new system does not threaten our national security. hi

      Yes, who will allow someone to control. The FSB will come to Ilon Mask and demand, under the threat of criminal liability, authorization data and text messages from Starlink subscribers?
  11. Vadim851
    Vadim851 25 October 2018 13: 09
    +7
    You need to be careful with this, so as not to set up against the younger generation, there are more and more of them, and we are becoming fewer. For them, the Internet is not a means of communication - but an additional sensory organ, many will save on anything, but not on access to the Network.
    It’s too late to ban anything. Given the territory of the Russian Federation, satellite Internet is the only way to create a continuous coverage.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 25 October 2018 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: Vadim851
      It’s too late to ban anything.

      And at the top they don’t understand this, they think in old patterns, they think that everything can be drowned out and blocked.
      1. reservist
        reservist 25 October 2018 15: 21
        +1
        Quote: Puncher
        they think in old patterns ...
      2. Forestol
        Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 46
        -1
        Do you want, like in Ukraine, a new maidan and revolution?
  12. bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 25 October 2018 13: 09
    +2
    but now everything seems to be anonymous and nothing is being tracked)) We must not prohibit, but compete, reject, offer, but only something real, and not verbiage again.
  13. Semen1972
    Semen1972 25 October 2018 13: 10
    -1
    America attacked us again !!! How long will our guns be silent ??? !!!!!!
  14. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 25 October 2018 13: 17
    +1
    FSB opposed deployment of OneWeb satellite system over Russia

    Is it because you can only wipe yourself with the "spring package"? So OneWeb is not the only one who decided to distribute the Internet from satellites and no one will ask the FSB for permission. Satellite Internet will certainly not be free and will require some equipment, but still no one can prevent its spread. It's impossible.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 25 October 2018 14: 56
      +2
      Even as possible. They will ban equipment and gadgets that make it possible to receive a signal from a satellite, that's all.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 25 October 2018 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Even as possible. They will ban equipment and gadgets that make it possible to receive a signal from a satellite, that's all

        You are naive to the impossibility. In the USSR, moonshine was banned under the Criminal Code, but to whom did it stop? Enemy voices tried to stifle, but to no purpose. Now drugs and prostitution (although the most important profession, according to Putin) are also prohibited, so what?
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 25 October 2018 14: 57
      +1
      Quote: Puncher
      and no one will ask FSB permission.

      heard about the C500? specialist sharpen so that satellites shoot down wink so what about the collective farm garden. Of course, you can’t ask permission, but the watchman, too, will shoot you in the ass with salt without any questions soldier laughing
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 43
        -3
        never before the outbreak of war no one has the right to shoot down satellites. Moreover, disconnecting from orbit is not possible.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 25 October 2018 17: 02
          -1
          Quote: Forestol
          Moreover, disconnecting from orbit is not possible.

          truth? But what about the satellite program for removing garbage that the State Department called the military, designed to destroy American satellites? the story was just recently. you just came out of the taiga where 10 years worked on a shift?
          1. Forestol
            Forestol 25 October 2018 17: 20
            -1
            program in the studio, it approved? Another question is HOW will you “delete” unnecessary satellites? I modestly ask how a specialist who studied the experience of taking the Palapa satellite by American astronauts almost 30 years ago using the Shuttle. To voice the budget of this operation? Or were you going to shoot down, that is, to destroy the entire echelon of this orbit? or are you only able to let air into a puddle?
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 25 October 2018 18: 06
              0
              Quote: Forestol
              Or are you only able to let air in a puddle?

              it's more to you wink do it with style yes
              Quote: Forestol
              program in the studio, it approved?

              there is a civil program in open sources. but there were questions about the MO satellites. you know how to use a search engine? or "only know how to let air into a puddle?" laughing
              Quote: Forestol
              I modestly ask how a specialist who studied the experience of taking the Palapa satellite by American astronauts almost 30 years ago using the shuttle.

              are you stuck there? well, in the sense of "30 years ago"? hasn't your world changed since then? is TV and telephone still a wonder for you? if so, I have no more questions. soldier
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 25 October 2018 19: 32
        -1
        Quote: SanichSan
        heard about the C500?

        There is no such system; it is only present in your imagination. Anticipating your objection, name the GRAU index of this SAM.
        Quote: SanichSan
        specialist sharpen so that satellites shoot down

        And do not dream, the gut is thin to bring down other people's satellites.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 26 October 2018 12: 56
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          There is no such system; it is only present in your imagination. Anticipating your objection, name the GRAU index of this SAM.

          especially for the backward and apparently stuck somewhere 30 years ago, I give a piece of data from the wiki where the "GRAU of this air defense system is actually present.":
          "S-500 contains controls: command post 85Zh6-1, early warning radar 60K6, anti-aircraft part - KP 55K6MA, radar 91N6AM, PU 51P6M, missiles 40N6M and anti-missile part PBU 85Zh6-2, radar 76T6 and 77T6 with an active phased antenna grating (AFAR), PU 77P6 and 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 anti-missiles (developed by OJSC MKB Fakel [source not specified 2484 days]), unified with the modernized missile defense system of Moscow and the Moscow district A-135 Amur, for interception targets at speeds up to 7 km / s [10]. "
          Quote: Puncher
          And do not dream, the gut is thin to bring down other people's satellites.

          but in Russia I don’t dream, in Russia they do wink if anything, success in your next life soldier
    3. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 44
      0
      And then think about who benefits from it. “Fear Danians bringing gifts,” you know, for what reason?
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 25 October 2018 13: 58
    +3
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: reservist
    title of the law and article number in the studio, pls

    ----------------------------
    https://rg.ru/2018/06/05/gosduma-priniala-zakon-o-shtrafah-za-obhod-blokirovki-v-internete.html

    If you still figured out what is written there.
  16. Mentat
    Mentat 25 October 2018 14: 04
    +4
    Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
    These are not all gentlemen, especially those who like to change their flags, from November 1, everyone who uses the proxy server system will commit a crime.

    The law is about punishment for service providers.
    Original title of the article, as amended: Article 13.40. Failure to fulfill obligations by the search engine operator.
    The rest of the debunking is an attempt to “hype” and attract readers to information resources.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 25 October 2018 15: 11
      -1
      Since November 1, the speech about the punishment of individuals seems to be like ...
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 October 2018 14: 05
    +4
    All right! Don't give a damn kick to follow us. Whoever is not satisfied is either go away or a spy reptile. winked
  18. JonnyT
    JonnyT 25 October 2018 14: 12
    +1
    it's a shame.
    They themselves all exported abroad, did not create anything competitive, and now they are trying to ban.

    Of course, the uncontrolled Internet carries a huge range of threats - from coordination of protests to coordination of terrorist groups.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 41
      +1
      they themselves answered. Is imaginary freedom worth the new revolutions? But the far from clever Navalny was able to easily rock the country with the Americans before the elections in 2012.
  19. Elephant
    Elephant 25 October 2018 14: 12
    0
    Some remote regions of Russia will remain permanently remote and without elementary civilization ... It is a pity that the rulers cannot offer anything in return and do not want to, we live in an economically backward country ...
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 39
      +2
      crap, and our satellites, distributing TV and the Internet to the Far East, it’s like?
    2. Irokez
      Irokez 27 October 2018 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Elephant
      We live in an economically backward country ...

      Not a country, but a region - these are two different things.
  20. ggl1
    ggl1 25 October 2018 14: 15
    +4
    In the power structures of the Russian Federation, in enterprises of the defense complex and in government
    there should be no Internet with access to international networks, no import search engines and social networks with access to foreign servers in order to exclude bookmarks in software
    The public access system within the Russian Federation should be organized on the basis of Linux OS with open source
    Internet access should be allowed only to private organizations, private individuals, non-regime enterprises
    This also applies to the Republic of Belarus.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 35
      +2
      oh now liberoids howl will raise!
  21. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 25 October 2018 14: 15
    +2
    considering that all .. ALL ... the traffic will go through their server, you can forget about the secret ... plus control over the subscriber terminals and their location
  22. Yura
    Yura 25 October 2018 14: 16
    +6
    I read the article, read the comments, ofigel, read the article again, the question arose, guys with you what? The article does not say a word about prohibitions, there is an opinion of the FSB that it is against, but there is nothing about prohibitions, there is a proposal for a joint system with our potential partners in this business, which of course minimizes possible risks from this foreign system. But the fact that:
    In addition, OneWeb strengthened its partnership with Roscosmos in 2017 by creating a joint venture with the Gonets satellite system, receiving a share equal to 60%. However, the Russian side intends to increase its share to 51% - this is one of the conditions for the existence of the project in Russia.
    Is it a ban or something? Are you breaking spears here for no reason.
    1. Genry
      Genry 25 October 2018 15: 02
      +4
      Quote: Jura
      I read the article, read the comments, ofigel, read the article again, the question arose, guys with you what? The article does not say a word about prohibitions ...

      These are manipulators that indirectly and directly bias the meaning of the article and the consciousness of readers.
      Psychological warfare ...
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 25 October 2018 19: 36
      -1
      Quote: Jura
      There is not a word about prohibitions in the article; there is an opinion of the FSB that it is against

      And you were born yesterday or something, if the FSB is against it, then they will forbid it. Trying of course, but nothing will work for
      Well!
      At a glance, he is good,
      Yes green - no ripe berries:
      Immediately you will nag you
      1. Yura
        Yura 25 October 2018 19: 40
        0
        Quote: Puncher
        if the FSB is against, then they will prohibit

        Prohibit what?
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 26 October 2018 07: 51
          -1
          Quote: Jura
          Prohibit what?

          Certification of equipment for satellite signal reception and its official import into the Russian Federation.
          1. Yura
            Yura 26 October 2018 13: 24
            +1
            Quote: Puncher
            Certification of equipment for satellite signal reception and its official import into the Russian Federation.

            And was this discussed somewhere?
  23. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 25 October 2018 14: 21
    +6
    It seems like the territory of Russia is only 8% of the entire Planet, but try to fly around if there is no permission.
    Intelligence functions are just flowers against the background of quite official statements by "partners" that they will conduct cyber operations against unwanted ones. Satellites are not two wires from the roof to the window, which the neighbor has no Internet access)))))
  24. ggl1
    ggl1 25 October 2018 14: 29
    +5
    Bearded man (Bearded man) Today, 13:49
    American satellite Internet will work against Russia. There is no doubt about that. Russia needs to develop its technologies, primarily software. It's time to say goodbye to Windows, Apple, Google, Android and other spy crap. If we do not want to repeat the history of the USSR.
    [B] [/ b]

    Totally agree!
    Who does not understand information security problems
    will continue to support amateur discussions
  25. Ustant
    Ustant 25 October 2018 14: 57
    -2
    Such an Internet Russia does not need
    And really, why do Russians need the Internet.
    1. slipped
      slipped 25 October 2018 15: 14
      +2
      We will have our own system - "Sphere". There is a backlog of design.
      1. Ustant
        Ustant 25 October 2018 17: 19
        -2
        Quote: slipped
        We will have our own system - "Sphere".
        Two hemispheres.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 October 2018 01: 07
          +3
          Is this ernish? :) Well, let's fuss, nothing else remains. laughing
    2. Yohoho
      Yohoho 25 October 2018 15: 34
      -5
      We tested Peter - Vladik via satellite: ping for 2-3 seconds, no less, online games, video calls go through the woods, simple surfing is not convenient, I pressed a button and smoked. It remains to wash the IP-TV brains, but download movies.
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 32
        +2
        you go to the Army, serve, understand what the security of the country is and what it stands for.
    3. Forestol
      Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 33
      +3
      stop whining, Russia is one of the first places in the world in the number of Internet connections per inhabitant.
  26. ashnajder
    ashnajder 25 October 2018 16: 00
    -1
    Well, let Cheburashka put))))) diplomas)
  27. Forestol
    Forestol 25 October 2018 16: 29
    -3
    How vital is the belief in a good West in Soviet people and their children! Well, they just don’t do it, and the system and country were destroyed, the liberals were sent to rule us, and all the same, believers in a good world are not transferred. Everywhere where coups take place, they establish good Internet, social networks, and try to privatize TV. Deploying a new generation of Internet, this is just an attempt to bring state control over WEB. It’s time for everyone to grow up; children only become adults when they can self-limit themselves. And I look, most are still children ....
    1. 1536
      1536 25 October 2018 17: 40
      -2
      This West already ruined our country, liberals in the famous Soviet school fostered, put them to rule us unreasonable. And what to take from us, children, in a word ?! We fight with ourselves, watching our native non-privatized TV, we confront our own whims. Eyes opened, dear, thank you.
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 25 October 2018 20: 41
        +3
        but, for you and all those who are minuscule, the country of the USSR “itself” has collapsed. Berezovsky, Gusinsky, somehow “themselves” gave the privatized channels of the Central Television to the state, only liberals have been sitting in the HSE for 25 years, Dvorkovich, who was still from the Rothschilds after the Yeltsin’s government, has just been thrown out of there .... here even without comment, some are better die, but believe in fairy tales to the end. All is well, sleep peacefully.
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 October 2018 16: 47
    +1
    Striped people want to do this not out of spiritual kindness, but in order to customize the next muck as usual and what it will ultimately result in, we do not know yet. Therefore, for now it is necessary to wait and study this issue from all sides, so that later it will not be painful and painful.
  29. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 25 October 2018 17: 10
    +4
    It would be better if the FSB were silent. All the same, a serious organization. And then such a statement looks like that ... plaintively.
    1. Dart
      Dart 25 October 2018 20: 29
      +1
      Is your education in network communications?
  30. 1536
    1536 25 October 2018 17: 32
    0
    It is unlikely that anyone can stop technological progress. Even India and China, together with Russia, moreover, the first two countries do not aspire to this at all. It would be better if we thought how to enter into a process with honor, which we are not able to stop, while there is still a space industry and trained personnel.
  31. Dart
    Dart 25 October 2018 20: 28
    +1
    The Internet in Russia is already one of the cheapest and it’s a sin to complain about speed.
    vanweb - whose traffic, he owns the secrets of this traffic, to put it simply ... it is under British jurisdiction, which means "turn off the engine, drain the water."
  32. Dart
    Dart 25 October 2018 20: 33
    +1
    Quote: ggl1
    Bearded man (Bearded man) Today, 13:49
    American satellite Internet will work against Russia. There is no doubt about that. Russia needs to develop its technologies, primarily software.
    [B] [/ b]

    Totally agree!
    Who does not understand information security problems
    will continue to support amateur discussions

    Yes, VO is full of amateurs, and not only in this area, but even in the one dedicated to the site, armaments and conflicts. Sometimes you read sheets and laugh at the voice! laughing
  33. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 25 October 2018 23: 59
    0
    This internet will be very expensive! I read the estimated cost of $ 50-200 per month + equipment for connecting $ 100-300. With such prices, he will never compete on the spot, but will give access to the Internet where he will never be led. The Internet will be where it, in principle, cannot be, for example, in a dense forest
  34. Carib
    Carib 26 October 2018 09: 36
    +3
    There is a fundamentally different problem. Through their Internet resources that are prohibited for us will be opened. All fraudulent fake news, websites promoting violence, child pornography, weapons and explosives, suicides, .... In general, if you do not want to lose all hard-to-reach areas, you have to forbid blocking, replacing it with your own, controlled Internet.
  35. Wilderness
    Wilderness 26 October 2018 11: 11
    0
    And what, from the point of view of special services, is this OneWeb more dangerous than the good old satellite Internet? As I remember now: a cell phone with EDGE for transmission (there was no 3G in the province yet, and here a few hundred kbps, at a price of about 4p / megabyte), on reception from a plate gigabyte portions of freedom, democracy, sodomy and debauchery, piracy and free Total wassat
  36. Roman070280
    Roman070280 26 October 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Russian "Unions". Scheduled 21 launch of these media
    The project investors are Airbus, Coca-Cola, Bharti, Virgin Group and other companies that have invested about $ 1,7 billion in it.

    .. What to whine and forbid - they would take and would do it themselves .. God knows what money for such a mega-project ..