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Direct threat to C-300 and C-400. Unobtrusive "Axes" will challenge the defense of Russia

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Exactly three weeks from the moment of delivery of the first three anti-missile divisions of the C-300PMU-2 Favorit to the Syrian Air Defense Forces in order to demonstrate in practice to Israeli, Western European and American military specialists the highest deterrent effect created by this family of air defense missile systems. So, after 20 days after unloading elements of the first division from the cargo compartment of the An-124-100 to Avb Hamim, the Israeli Air Force did not make a single attempt to suppress the updated Syrian air defense from the Antilivan ridges; Yes, and with the use of operational-tactical ballistic missiles “Lora”, the Israelis decided to hold off by shifting the focus of rocket bombing attacks on posts and strong points of the weaker “players” of the Persian region - the Hamas movement in the northern part of the Gaza Strip and the Lebanese Shiite organization “Hezbollah”, which , unfortunately, they do not have even more or less modern self-propelled self-defense SAM systems.




The return of Tel Aviv to such a familiar field of activity (rotting a weaker enemy at hand) is quite understandable: to use the main "anti-radar asset" Hel Haavir - difficult to intercept American small-sized planning guided bombs GBU-39B SDB ("Small Diameter Bomb" ), as well as UAB "Spice-250", the crews of the multifunctional fighters F-16I "Sufa" and F-15I "Ra'am" were forced to climb to an altitude of 10 km or more, gaining speed of about 1M. This provided the "smart bombs" with the proper kinetic energy for a flight over a distance of 70-110 km. Now, after the appearance of the S-300PMU-2, capable of "slamming" the "Raama" and "Sufa" even at the moment of ascent to the required drop height of the "SDB" and "Spice-250", Israeli pilots are forced to fly only in the mode of following the terrain, and even then only over the mountains of Anti-Lebanon, which are not subject to the 30N6E2 radar view. In such a situation, the possibility of using any type of gliding bomb "equipment" is excluded, and therefore only tactical missiles "Delida" and "Popeye" can be used, which are vulnerable to most anti-aircraft missiles in service with the SAA. The IDF understands this very well and does not climb into the A2 / AD air sectors over Syria, which is indisputable confirmation of the fulfillment of the goals set for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Moreover, due to the prevailing circumstances, Almaz-Antey once again achieved a staggering export appeal on the world arms market, partially eclipsing Lockheed Martin with its brainchild - the Patriot PAC-3MSE. And here the question arises: how long are the C-300P / 400 and C-300В4 families of anti-missile systems ready to maintain strong dominance in the theaters of military operations in the Middle East, Europe, etc.?

If we look for the answer to this question in the plane of the most well-known and sensational projects of supersonic and hypersonic high-precision missile weapons, then it becomes clear that the initiative will remain in the hands of our military air defense and videoconferencing systems for the next 15 — 25 years. This state of affairs is vividly demonstrated when assessing the ambitious Israeli project of a heavy supersonic long-range tactical missile Rampage, on which the IDF has high hopes today. Developed by the Israeli military industry leaders Israel Military Industry and Israel Aerospace Industry, it is absolutely impossible to rank it as a short-range aeroballistic missile. "Rampage" is equipped with a small nasal aerodynamic rudders and has a "duck"; the area of ​​these rudders is so small that the rocket does not have the ability to make vigorous anti-aircraft maneuvers (typical of the Iskander-M OTB) and is more like an air-based guided missile. Low maneuverability, the height of the trajectory in 15 — 30 km, impressive EOC of the order 0,1 square. m (due to the decent geometric dimensions) and the speed of everything in 3 make the Rampage vulnerable not only for the Syrian three hundred, but also for the Buk-M2E military air defense system. It is logical that these missiles of the Israeli Air Force can only be used against Hamas and Hezbollah, and even then in territories that are not covered by the Syrian anti-missile umbrella.

But for a more accurate answer to the above question, it is necessary to deviate from the standard analysis of the highly publicized means of high-precision rocket weapons possible opponent and try to consider alternative projects that have not received such wide publicity in the world media due to the fact that they do not belong to the main types of rocket-bomb weapons. One of them is the project of a super-small-sized “Hatchet” (“Hatchet”) controlled bombs from the American company “Alliant Techsystems” (ATK). For the first time, the demonstrator of this 60-mm bombs, which was designed to be placed on the suspensions of attack and reconnaissance UAVs of the MQ-1C "Gray Eagle" and MQ-9 "Reaper" families, was put on a wide display in the spring of 2012, during the exhibition prepared by the Military Sea League USA. After 5 years, the concept was presented at the Army Aviation Mission Summit exhibition in Nashville, Tennessee, after which it was decided to conduct full-scale tests of the first prototypes of Hatchet in 2018 in the headquarters of the company-developer. ATK specialists are engaged.

This bomb has a shell diameter 60 mm, length 301 mm and weight 2,72 kg, so that two underwing MV-9 "Reaper" UAV suspension units can be placed 2 500-pounds of this type of 108 UAB (54 each), mounted on rotor rotating pylons in the internal niches of containers. For the MQ-1C “Gray Eagle” drone reconnaissance UAVs, more compact containers on the 12 suspension units (3 units per 4 units) have been developed. The Gray Eagle is capable of accepting container data (4 Axes) on 48 suspensions. If we talk about placing "Hatchet" to a "high-torque" tactical fighter F-16C Block 52 + / 60 and F-15E «Strike Eagle», the power elements of the wing and ventral nodes suspension was allowed to equip them with 6-8 500-pound containers with 324 — 432 Hatchet small bombs.

As you can see in the photo of the demonstrator, the tight placement of the “Hatchet” in the inner niches of the containers is achieved by equipping the product with three truncated triangular wings made of flexible composite material and fixed to the self-opening (due to the spring mechanism) hinges. As a result, while they were in the niches of transport and launch canisters, the “Axes” wings were rolled up in roll type, repeating the contours of the bomb hulls. Narrow tail aerodynamic steering direct type, having the same span as the wings for planning, also equipped with a mechanical opening system (with 90-degree turning in the control axis); they are located in a separate tail module with servos, which is mated with the housing by means of a nut for an internal hexagon. The design is very simple, and therefore there is nothing difficult in mass production of hundreds of thousands or even millions of similar products.


Ultra-small size UAB "Hatchet" (demonstrator)


Considering the fact that almost the entire 60-mm body and wings of the Hatchet guided bombs are made of composite materials (except for hinged wing loops and tail aerodynamic rudders made of aircraft-grade aluminum), it is easy to assume that the effective dispersion surface of an attacking bomb with open planes does not exceed 0,003 — 0,07 sq. m. (depending on the angle of exposure and the frequency of the radar). The most unpleasant moment in all this stories is that the 30H6X2 and 92H6E C-300PMU-2 “Favorit” and C-400 “Triumph” radar radars are unable to process such small-sized objects, and the radar aids of the ZRPK-templates-Creators-systems that are not capable of processing such small-sized objects are incapable of this, and the Radar-based radar systems are also unable to process such small-sized objects. -M1U ", covering the" dead zones "of long-range air defense missile systems. Conclusion: our air defense systems are extremely vulnerable to such precision weapons; Moreover, its use can be massive due to the low cost of production technology.

Readers may have a completely adequate question: what threat can come from these dwarf air bombs when their carriers (Reapers, Gray Eagles and tactical fighters of the USA or Israel Air Force) are destroyed by C-300PMU-2 and C-400 complexes? long before the deadly dumping of "equipment"? There is no point in going far for an answer. It is quite logical that this “equipment” can be integrated as combat units of the SM-6 ultra-long-range missiles, or tactical ballistic missiles of the ATACMS family, capable of providing the Axes at heights from 33 to 55 km, beyond the high-altitude boundaries of the 48HM missile systems. .

The key to countering such complex means of air attack can only be high-frequency EMI generators that disable the electronic “stuffing” of Hatchet missiles on the approach, or the Arena-M and Afganit active defense complexes located on specialized masts next to each element of the anti-aircraft missile system. Moreover, it is worth considering the presence of the “Axes” semi-active laser homing head, integrated with the GPS-correction module and the INS. The first one can be “hammered” by setting up a smoke screen, and the penultimate one - with the help of the electronic warfare stations “Diabazol” and R-330G “Resident”.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=22460
https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=186677
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=8522.0
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1359127.html
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 25 October 2018 05: 42
    +25
    Eugene, you need to write novels. The Russian "Clancy" is dying in you.
    1. bracket
      bracket 25 October 2018 05: 47
      +11
      I would add fantastic novels ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 25 October 2018 06: 07
        +2
        I would add fantastic novels ...

        I offer the developers of S-300 and S-400 the following idea for free.
        Use a powerful rocket with your radar as a platform for short-range missiles.

        Well, for example, a massive raid of US and Israeli aviation is expected ... we launch this missile towards the raiders and in a couple of minutes it will be at the place of deployment of these aircraft scanning all objects and at the same time waiting for the launch command ... you can make options with barrage in the area fighting in an emergency. smile
        1. Machito
          Machito 25 October 2018 15: 26
          +3
          And also install the chassis on it and name the UAV laughing
        2. Ilya_Nsk
          Ilya_Nsk 26 October 2018 05: 10
          0
          and such a complex will cost as Mig-31 .. So maybe not h..nay?
      2. Random
        Random 25 October 2018 09: 45
        +19
        Quote: Staffa
        I would add fantastic novels ...

        To the very point drinks good
        And if for an adult, then all these "little! Bombs" are only against ... "Papuans", but "stuff them with big rockets, that is. use as KMGU ", and even from a height of 33-55 km wassat ... here Damantsev in all his "glory" laughing
        If such a "bomb" is dropped from such a height, then instead of a target it will fall somewhere in the region of the poles wassat with her that "mouse" weight of 2,72 kg, any jet wind current will carry her to ..... "fly, fly the petal, through the west to east ......" and no "burdocks" and its rudders save from ... "long journey"wassat lol
        And for "spreading the horizon" to Mr. Damantsev - there are such very "smart books" soldier RBPASP (4th parts), and so everything is written there - which and how you can use all kinds of ASPs (both controlled and "cast iron" with NAR, etc.)
        So here is the MAXIMUM possible height of the use of ALL cluster munitions ... no more than 5000 meters soldier
        And the most effective is in the range of 900 meters-1800 meters good soldier
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 25 October 2018 11: 14
          +9
          To write articles on highly specialized topics, you need to read accessible open sources, which are many, and not neglect communication with military personnel, including those who are in reserve, but this takes time and attention, but an article must be written urgently, and larger in size.
          1. Totah155 Mk2
            Totah155 Mk2 25 October 2018 11: 48
            +10
            The most important thing is to cram more abbreviations into the text (preferably in a foreign language) and TTX of all that is possible.
        2. Random
          Random 25 October 2018 11: 23
          +12
          Quote: Random
          And for "spreading the horizon" to Mr. Damantsev - there are such very "smart books"

          Do not want Mr. Damantsev ..with comrades .. smart books to read wassat easier "minus" and ... in "bushes" lol
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 25 October 2018 21: 44
            +3
            According to the disapproving and "revelatory" criticism of pro-Israel and other commentators, the article is relevant and to the point ... It's time for the RF Armed Forces to create (even copy) inexpensive cluster planning minibombs similar to Hatchet and be able to treat the enemies with clouds of "stinging locust" .. ...
            1. faradien
              faradien 26 October 2018 00: 12
              +2
              Actually, and we have something similar, "Drill" is probably called something else earlier. And to shoot them down ... Mr. Damantsev forgot that Pantsir also has an optical detection channel. There are other complexes with an optical channel. The bomb is passive, not high-speed, not capable of active maneuvering. If found, it won't be that difficult to shoot it down. Especially when a drone flew in the distance and it makes sense to expect an attack
              1. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 26 October 2018 06: 26
                +2
                With a microscope, you can also hammer nails.
              2. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 26 October 2018 10: 26
                +2
                "Drill" is passive on parachutes and carrier flight is obligatory, but here they are dropped for many tens of kilometers. Optical detection is limited by a small radius and weather, and it will not be possible to destroy dozens in a few minutes ... all the salt is in massiveness and radio invisibility, hence the surprise and so on, therefore, it cannot be completely reflected, some of the tens will break through. and that's enough ... These massive mini high-precision tools are a new milestone, therefore they are still very effective ...
              3. kuz363
                kuz363 27 October 2018 05: 55
                0
                If dozens or hundreds of bombs fall at the same time, then it is impossible to bring down all of them. Plus, the ammunition of the "Pantsir" and other systems is limited.
                1. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 28 October 2018 21: 21
                  0
                  To the very point drinks good
                  And if for an adult, then all these "small! Bombs" are only against ... "Papuans", and "stuff them with big rockets, that is. use as KMGU ", and even from a height of 33-55 km wassat ... here Damantsev in all his" glory "laughing
                  If such a "bomb" is dropped from such a height, then instead of a target it will fall somewhere in the area of ​​the wassat poles with its "mouse" weight of 2,72 kg, any jet wind current will carry it to ..... "fly, fly petal, across the west to the east ... "and no" mugs "and rudders will save her from ..." a long journey "wassat lol
                  And for "spreading the horizon" to Mr. Damantsev - there are such very "smart books" soldier RBPASP (4 parts), and so everything is written there - which and how all kinds of ASPs can be used (and controlled and "pigs" with NAR, etc.) 0
                  So here is the maximum possible height of the use of ALL cluster munitions ... no more than 5000 meters soldier
                  And the most effective is in the range of 900 meters-1800 meters good soldier
            2. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 27 October 2018 15: 00
              0
              And nothing that we have a "Drill" and much more interesting items in PC equipment like "Smerch" and "Hurricane"? These microbombs are, to put it mildly, a long gone stage.
              1. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 27 October 2018 20: 37
                0
                YOU did not understand the essence of this weapon, - HIGH-PRECISION gliding bombs NOT DETECTED by all available radars ... Here is the DESTROY and HURRICANE long gone stage, that's for sure ...
                1. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 27 October 2018 20: 47
                  0
                  This YOU did not understand))) And "Tornado" and "Hurricane" and "Drill" - absolutely the same. Only better. Not to mention the UAV from the "Smerch" projectile, which will correct these "precision gliding bombs". And show me the radar (imported), which can notice, track and simultaneously filter the mark from the homing ammunition, which are 15 pieces in the warhead of the same "Smerch")))
        3. cyborg
          cyborg 26 October 2018 01: 02
          -2
          with modern guidance systems it is quite possible.
      3. Procyon lotor
        Procyon lotor 25 October 2018 15: 33
        -5
        And how is it worse than March cartoons
    2. cradle
      cradle 25 October 2018 05: 52
      +1
      Envy is a bad feeling. Or is there a desire to produce it? It would be Jewish
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 25 October 2018 12: 14
        +1
        The point is not envy, but in assessing the amount of useful information.
    3. Faceless
      Faceless 30 October 2018 17: 28
      0
      The most unpleasant moment in the whole story is that the 30H6E2 and 92H6E illumination and guidance radars of the S-300PMU-2 Favorit and S-400 Triumf complexes are incapable of processing such small-sized objects, and the Pantsir radar systems are also incapable of this. -1 "and self-propelled air defense systems" Tor-M2U ", covering the" dead zones "of long-range air defense systems. Conclusion: our air defense systems are extremely vulnerable to such precision weapons; moreover, its use can be massive due to the low cost of production technology.


      First, in addition to Shell-C1, we have Shell-C2 and Shell-SM. The last two two years ago were tested. I believe that their performance characteristics will be better, and I also assume that it would be foolish not to include the "Syrian lessons" in the test program.

      But the main question: where did the author get the idea that the "Pantsir-C1" air defense missile systems are not capable of handling such "small" targets?

      ZRPK "Shell-C1" perfectly sees even a commercial drone, which anyone can in the store for 60 rubles. (+/-) to buy. In size, he fits into a school backpack. Moreover, the Pantsir-C000 ZRPK not only sees him, but also knocks him down, which was demonstrated two years ago in the course of the corresponding tests (experiments), information about which is in the public domain. Accordingly, what the author’s panic fantasies are based on in this area is a mystery to me.
  2. Vard
    Vard 25 October 2018 05: 46
    +17
    In the era of guided munitions, as the author rightly noted, electronic warfare is becoming increasingly important ... The good news is that in air defense and electronic warfare we still have an advantage ... Moreover, significant ...
    1. sebur
      sebur 25 October 2018 09: 36
      -8
      You were not informed correctly
      1. GRF
        GRF 25 October 2018 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: sebur
        You were not informed correctly

        EW in action
        This is when the opponent thinks he is right ...
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 27 October 2018 00: 50
      +1
      For reference - has this "real advantage" already been confirmed in real combat conditions?
  3. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 25 October 2018 07: 37
    +10
    On the hatchet is JDAM - gps + laser + inertia. It is poorly suited to combat layered air defense, since electronic warfare equipment contributes a penny to gps interference, while laser guidance or inertia still requires illumination in the air defense zone (UAV or sabotage), while the pure inertial is not particularly accurate.
    So I would not classify this ammunition anywhere except as a "counter-guerrilla" class.
  4. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 25 October 2018 07: 41
    0
    Judging by the photo, the plumage on this "baby" practically coincides with the plumage of the projectile for the "Grad" system. And these have already strayed with "Shells".
    Yes, and to start such an apparatus you need to fly closer - I’m already a precedent for the destruction of the carrier.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 25 October 2018 08: 07
      +7
      Quote: zulusuluz
      Judging by the photo, the plumage on this "baby" practically coincides with the plumage of the projectile for the "Grad" system. And these have already strayed with "Shells".

      So what? The EPR of the hail projectile will be more than that of this "baby"
    2. Elephant
      Elephant 25 October 2018 13: 00
      -1
      And you do not consider the speed of this baby?
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 25 October 2018 17: 55
        -1
        A her speed is very small
  5. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 25 October 2018 07: 44
    -27
    A mixture of militant anti-Semitism and fantasy.
    "For the last Israeli Air Force not a single attempt was made to suppress the renewed Syrian air defense" .... Masterpiece. And when was the last time the Israeli Air Force "crushed the full" Syrian air defense? And when the Syrians shot down the Russian IL, did the Israelis press down on the Syrian air defense?
    And more ... Supply air defense systems to Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists? Brilliant ... And on whose side will Iran and Hezbollah fight tomorrow?
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 25 October 2018 08: 04
      +34
      Quote: ArikKhab
      And on whose side will Iran and Hezbollah fight tomorrow?



      Counter-question: On whose side are igil and al nusra with white helmets fighting today?


      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 25 October 2018 09: 37
        -18
        On his own. But against Iran
        1. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 25 October 2018 10: 12
          +21
          ] On his
          so modestly, and proudly of Israel! It is not possible to hear an honest answer from Israeli citizens laughing . This is certainly not your fault, but genes. wink
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 25 October 2018 10: 51
            +4
            Quote: ArikKhab
            On his own. But against Iran


            you, like many on your part, constantly devalue the level of your answers

            simply put, with your self-confidence just have fun and don't be taken seriously

            If they are on their side, then why are the Americans helping them?

            Supply weapons, train, direct their drones?





            1. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 02
              -2
              Because they are fighting against Iran / Hezbollah. Just as the Russian Federation uses Hezbollah terrorists to solve its tasks, the opposite is also true. The Americans at least do not deny their goals and objectives in Syria - to prevent Iran from advancing. I hope you do not consider the US and the Russian Federation allies in the Syrian conflict?
              And yet ... What are your relations between the Russian Federation and Iran? Are they allies?
              https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/489742
          2. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 26 October 2018 14: 57
            -2
            On its own - in the sense of ISIS has its own "side". If the Russian media claim that ISIS and Israel are allies, then we will leave this statement on the conscience of the media.
          3. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 10
            0
            If you are interested, then I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, but unlike you, I look a little more realistically at the situation in which the Russian Federation found itself in Syria. There is no doubt that each side pursues its own goals - Syria, Russia, Iran and its proxy, the coalition and Israel, and ISIS on the other side. Each of these parties has its own goals and objectives, at the moment the majority have united to crush ISIS (moreover, the coalition separates moderate "rebels" and repulsed ISIS members), but there is no Russian Federation (which is still in line with Iran's goals). All witty critics do not want to explain what will happen after the victory over ISIS? Is Russia trying to take control of Syria? Aviation alone will not be able to do this. And then the interests of Iran come into conflict with the interests of the Russian Federation in the region. Therefore, the support of Iran (including by air defense forces) with a tactical gain leads to a strategic loss.
            https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/489742
        2. Trol_2
          Trol_2 26 October 2018 05: 47
          0
          Was it by chance that Israel panned this "..schemku il drawing ..." and "started a twist ..." like ISIS? The main thing is not to be for Iran. And the United States promoted this topic on a grand scale for its own interests, but in order to cover up its financial assistance and put them on "self-financing". Putin pinned the current and ruined everything. I am not an anti-Semite, and I am strongly. But you ArikKhab led me to this idea. sad
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 26 October 2018 14: 58
            -1
            Is it Hezbollah by chance? Otherwise, the war will soon be over, and Iran is sharing "victory" and, moreover, the territory of Syria with the Russian Federation is not going to ...
          2. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 33
            +2
            The basis of ISIS forces is (at least initially) composed, as you know, by former Iraqi army personnel, Arabs are Sunnis dissatisfied with the US being in the country + the active intervention of Shiite Iran in Iraq (there is now a Shiite minority in power), plus support for this discontent Sunni Saudi Arabia, for this (in my opinion) the reasons for the formation of ISIS were enough without Israel.
            Many will disagree (since the media stubbornly imposes the idea of ​​almost Israel's support for ISIS), but in order to understand Israel's actions in this conflict, one must understand that Israel does not consider ISIS as a threat to the existence of the state. At the same time, Hezbollah, pumped up with modern weapons, with the support of Iran, poses a direct and obvious threat to Israel. Based on this, while the main hostilities "on the ground" are between ISIS and Iran / Hezbollah (the Syrian army itself was destroyed at the beginning of the war, and the rest of the participants did not bring in ground troops), the Israelis see no reason to get involved in another's war while two enemies destroy each other. At the same time, Israel attacks its primordial enemy (Hezbollah - the opposite is also true with the shelling of Israeli territory by Hezbollah) and does not participate not in the actions of the coalition, not in the actions of the Russian Federation, without even attacking the actual objects of the Syrian army if there are no Iranians on them. Also, Israel has never threatened or even approached the facilities of the MORF, which the Russian leadership knows very well. How will the situation change with the receipt of the S-300 by the Syrians? I do not know.
    2. MKPU-115
      MKPU-115 25 October 2018 08: 16
      +8
      Quote: ArikKhab
      A mixture of militant anti-Semitism and fantasy.
      "For the last Israeli Air Force not a single attempt was made to suppress the renewed Syrian air defense" .... Masterpiece. And when was the last time the Israeli Air Force "crushed the full" Syrian air defense? And when the Syrians shot down the Russian IL, did the Israelis press down on the Syrian air defense?
      And more ... Supply air defense systems to Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists? Brilliant ... And on whose side will Iran and Hezbollah fight tomorrow?

      1. After the delivery of the S-300, there was not a single attempt, if not so, tell us.
      2. "And when was the last time the Israeli Air Force" pressed on the full "Syrian air defense?" - and when the "Pantsir S-1" was destroyed without ammunition, did they forget?
      3. "Did the Israelis crush the Syrian air defense?" did not interfere, did they? laughing
      4. "Supply Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists with air defense systems?" - what for? Theoretically, they are already under the umbrella of air defense, and if desired ... If there is a desire, there are opportunities.
      5. "Whose side will Iran and Hezbollah fight tomorrow?" - on the side of Israel or something wassat
      That's against whom you can say with 100% probability.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 25 October 2018 09: 37
        0
        And there will be no attempts. The main limiting factor is the availability of our calculations. I think it’s not worth being so self-confident. Let's see what happens when the Syrian calculations take up duty.
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 25 October 2018 09: 37
        -9
        1. Not yet. Grant Gd, whatever it is, but hard to believe. There are no indestructible aircraft, no unbreakable air defense systems. Time will tell
        2. This, according to the MORF, he was without ammunition, since the Ministry of Defense cannot admit that this complex intended for the fight against "stealthy and low-flying" missed just such a target
        3. If the Israelis pressed, then where did the gallant "Syrian" anti-aircraft gunners, suppressed by the electronic warfare, shoot? In the briefing, the Ministry of Defense cites a mark from the Israeli F-16 as the initial target for the S-200 missile, which already casts doubt on the (at least massive) use of electronic warfare by the Israelis, as well as the MO version of the "fighter hiding behind the IL" that does not fit with well-differentiated goals
        4. Covering Hezbollah terrorists with Russian air defense systems does not look like the smartest move of the Russian military command
        5. Well, if you are 100% sure against whom Iran and Hezbollah will fight tomorrow, then you need to go to channel 1 for the transmission of psychics
        https://www.google.co.il/amp/s/inosmi.ru/amp/politic/20180905/243165931.html
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 25 October 2018 22: 12
          +2
          Quote: ArikKhab
          1. Not yet. Grant Gd, whatever it is, but hard to believe. There are no indestructible aircraft, no unbreakable air defense systems. Time will tell
          2. This, according to the MORF, he was without ammunition, since the Ministry of Defense cannot admit that this complex intended for the fight against "stealthy and low-flying" missed just such a target
          3. If the Israelis pressed, then where did the gallant "Syrian" anti-aircraft gunners, suppressed by the electronic warfare, shoot? In the briefing, the Ministry of Defense cites a mark from the Israeli F-16 as the initial target for the S-200 missile, which already casts doubt on the (at least massive) use of electronic warfare by the Israelis, as well as the MO version of the "fighter hiding behind the IL" that does not fit with well-differentiated goals
          4. Covering Hezbollah terrorists with Russian air defense systems does not look like the smartest move of the Russian military command
          5. Well, if you are 100% sure against whom Iran and Hezbollah will fight tomorrow, then you need to go to channel 1 for the transmission of psychics
          https://www.google.co.il/amp/s/inosmi.ru/amp/politic/20180905/243165931.html

          Late to make excuses, late. You still answer for the 15 dead officers, it comes back to you more than once.
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 00
            -2
            Russian officers died at the hands of the Syrian air defense crew. And it would be better for you to deal with the real culprits of the tragedy, and not look for a new enemy in the face of Israel in the outburst of anti-Semitism
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 26 October 2018 23: 19
              0
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Russian officers died at the hands of the Syrian air defense crew. And it would be better for you to deal with the real culprits of the tragedy, and not look for a new enemy in the face of Israel in the outburst of anti-Semitism

              Late to make excuses, it was necessary to admit guilt earlier. Now, not a single hexagonal blue-star high-tech child prodigy without the permission of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will not fly towards Syria, well, if only on the last journey.
              1. Arikkhab
                Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 41
                +2
                I'm not making excuses. I am not authorized to make excuses for the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners.
                As for "without permission" - wait and see. Although I would not like an open confrontation and a rollback of relations to the state of 1982.
                Then a friend gave a pretty unbiased opinion about the situation
                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 27 October 2018 09: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: ArikKhab
                  I'm not making excuses. I am not authorized to make excuses for the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners.
                  As for "without permission" - wait and see. Although I would not like an open confrontation and a rollback of relations to the state of 1982.
                  Then a friend gave a pretty unbiased opinion about the situation
                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644

                  Again the old song - the Israeli Air Force has nothing to do with it))))
                  I agree on one thing, it comes to some through the head, to others through the ass and most of them are like this, the psyche of a person is arranged, nothing can be done, and until you knock on the head until consciousness reaches. We will knock.
        2. Trol_2
          Trol_2 26 October 2018 05: 59
          +1
          [quote] [/ quote] ... The Israeli Jacob Kedmi, said that the Israeli command did a great stupidity and great harm to his country, following the US behind the cover of IL.
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 01
            -3
            The Israeli Y. Kedmi does not occupy any posts and expresses his personal point of view, which (I will tell you a secret) does not coincide with the position of the Government of Israel
            1. Syroitel_nik
              Syroitel_nik 27 October 2018 09: 50
              0
              Your posts are very similar to the tantrum of Serena Williams. But in essence, when reasonable arguments end, they hide behind slogans and cliches: anti-Semitism, etc.
              In fact, the meaning is one.
              Fuck you and not the third temple of Solomon.
        3. Grosses russland
          Grosses russland 26 October 2018 09: 31
          +2
          Hezbollah terrorists

          Not terrorists, but fighters with world Zionism. Wahaha fellow laughing
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 50
            0
            Remind me how many terrorist attacks in the world the Zionists committed. And how many Arabs? The same Jews with suicide belts are terrorizing half the world ...
            https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2017/10/26/v-kongresse-ssha-uzhestochili-sankcii-v-otnoshenii-livanskoy-hizbally
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    4. andrew42
      andrew42 25 October 2018 09: 34
      +6
      Such an epic Fighter against anti-Semitism, you have not noticed that the speech is about "warm", not "soft". Specifically, a statement of the absence of facts of activity of the Israeli Air Force, plus an analyst on the performance characteristics of attacking and air defense weapons. Of course, the military equipment of the State of Israel is "the most Semitic in the world," and no anti-Semite is tough.
      1. yehat
        yehat 25 October 2018 17: 02
        +3
        no need to go too far with the findings. Israel may not be in a hurry with strikes. Of course, they were embarrassed by a change of scenery, but they slowly studied it and continued to act.
        A number of advantages remain on their side. Firstly, the choice of place and time of impact, concentration of forces,
        a high degree of intelligence of the enemy’s disposition, a favorable mountainous terrain, and big problems in Syria with air defense personnel and infrastructure.
        1. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 25 October 2018 22: 20
          0
          Quote: yehat
          no need to go too far with the findings. Israel may not be in a hurry with strikes. Of course, they were embarrassed by a change of scenery, but they slowly studied it and continued to act.
          A number of advantages remain on their side. Firstly, the choice of place and time of impact, concentration of forces,
          a high degree of intelligence of the enemy’s disposition, a favorable mountainous terrain, and big problems in Syria with air defense personnel and infrastructure.

          The benefits can be negated, for example, hezbollah or Iran will deliver a preemptive strike on the deployment of carriers and their infrastructure.
          1. yehat
            yehat 26 October 2018 10: 07
            +2
            it is not so easy to do. Israel lives constantly waiting for attempts of a terrorist attack, serious street control is established there, quite a few patrols.
            at military facilities elbit actively places automated tracking perimeters.
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 26 October 2018 23: 16
              0
              Quote: yehat
              it is not so easy to do. Israel lives constantly waiting for attempts of a terrorist attack, serious street control is established there, quite a few patrols.
              at military facilities elbit actively places automated tracking perimeters.

              But the rocket, say, will not reach? High-speed, with low EPR, maneuvering, noise immunity .... wink
              1. yehat
                yehat 29 October 2018 10: 34
                0
                Hezbola is pleased to make tactical radius uncontrollable missiles.
                so far, only crows and pigeons have grown to such technologies.
                1. MKPU-115
                  MKPU-115 29 October 2018 20: 28
                  0
                  Quote: yehat
                  Hezbola is pleased to make tactical radius uncontrollable missiles.
                  so far, only crows and pigeons have grown to such technologies.

                  They can "steal" them wink rockets.
                  1. yehat
                    yehat 30 October 2018 10: 31
                    0
                    this ISIS can steal drones, MANPADS and even tanks from US forces.
                    and US Hezbollah’s activity is not profitable, so all they can steal is
                    it is glycerin and nitric acid for the production of explosives.
          2. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 25
            -2
            Israel will not stop fighting Hezbollah. And the fact that they do not attack for a month may well indicate that they do not want to offend Russian instructors (although many would like to believe that they are "afraid" - so be it). In the meantime, the satellites revealed the location of the S-300. Moreover, the Israelis know these areas far and wide.
            Here I found a good article without unnecessary cheers-patriotism, which really describes the state of affairs
            https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 26 October 2018 23: 29
              +2
              Quote: ArikKhab
              Israel will not stop fighting Hezbollah. And the fact that they do not attack for a month may well indicate that they do not want to offend Russian instructors (although many would like to believe that they are "afraid" - so be it). In the meantime, the satellites revealed the location of the S-300. Moreover, the Israelis know these areas far and wide.
              Here I found a good article without unnecessary cheers-patriotism, which really describes the state of affairs
              https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644

              The position of S-300 was opened laughing Oh?
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 27
        -1
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644
      3. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 27 October 2018 01: 59
        +1
        Analytics without a hat? "Our S-300/400 /.../ 700, which have never fought anywhere, are better than the Jewish F-15/16/35"? Certainly. Nobody argues with this. If we compare the theoretical battle of a separate S-300 battery against a separate F-16, the outcome is clear. But this assessment is fundamentally wrong because such a scenario is impossible in real life. It is necessary to compare systems like the air defense of Syria against the Israeli Air Force. Is Israel not attacking for a month? Sure. There is no urgency to get involved. Reconnaissance, opening slogan positions, etc. takes time. Plus, there are Russian instructors at the installations, and Israel will bypass them to the last. What will happen next ? I don't know, we'll see
        https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 27 October 2018 10: 01
          0
          Quote: ArikKhab
          If we compare the theoretical battle of an individual S-300 battery versus an individual F-16, the outcome is clear.

          The Israelis have the opportunity to believe in practice the operation of S-300 batteries.
          Tickets purchased, waiting for submission ...
    5. vit357
      vit357 25 October 2018 09: 54
      +8
      Well, when IS and MISCELLANEOUS NUSRO were treated in ezrael and from there. weapons arrived, was that normal and fun? It was a great reason to fall in love with the Jews, and now, when you pressed your coca in a vice, you all smoothed the Outskirts pestnya with your kagal .: “WHAT WE ARE FOR SHO?” It smelled of anti-Semitism at once? laughing
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 14
        0
        When people retype nonsense about treating terrorists in Israel, it means one thing - they have never been there.
        Because they don’t understand how the wounded from the territory of Syria end up in Israeli hospitals, who selects them for treatment and what happens to them later. Keep in mind that between Syria and Israel there is a naturally neutral zone controlled by UN peacekeepers. The wounded came to their bases and they decided who to send for treatment. Also, all (up to one) wounded after treatment are transferred, accompanied by an UN peacekeeping officer, to the representative of the Syrian military police (Assad’s troops), and then they figure out who this person is. Since there was a humanitarian catastrophe on the border with Israel, there were 2 ways before Israel - not to treat anyone or treat everyone. Israel has chosen the second path. Including children bombed by mines, including bearded men with guns without documents. As you know, the Israelis have no way to find out who this person is. Perhaps among them there were terrorists, but it is not written on the forehead. After treatment, everything was transferred to representatives of the official authorities of Syria.
        Also look for information about the Good Neighborliness program about field hospitals deployed on the border with Syria (before the seizure of ISIS territory) where everyone was treated because it was not possible to make a selection - therefore it was considered better to let one terrorist pass, but help 10 civilians
        1. Syroitel_nik
          Syroitel_nik 27 October 2018 09: 57
          0
          "already in a frying pan", in comparison with you nervously smokes on the sidelines. If Israel had the opportunity, it started a war long ago. It is difficult to find a more aggressive state in the world. But ... There is no need for good neighborliness. When tanks crush Palestinians armed with small arms, this seems to be the norm. And treating al-nusra terrorists is good. In your!!!!
          And do not talk about the impossibility of identifying a person. Do not carry nonsense.
    6. Grosses russland
      Grosses russland 26 October 2018 09: 20
      0
      [/ quote] And on whose side will Iran and Hezbollah fight tomorrow? [quote]

      On against your side. laughing
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 26 October 2018 15: 20
        -1
        Are you sure that it is not against the Russian Federation? The goals are completely different. And fiscally, the Russian Federation does not have the opportunity to fight with Iran and its proxies in Syria.
      2. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 27 October 2018 02: 02
        0
        Is Iran an ally of Russia or a fellow traveler? And how, if something happens, will Russia oust Iran / Hezbollah from Syria? VKS bombing?
  6. Mestny
    Mestny 25 October 2018 09: 25
    +3
    Quote: ArikKhab
    A mixture of militant anti-Semitism and fantasy.

    Even flags are not necessary. And so everything is clear
  7. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 25 October 2018 09: 29
    +5
    From "fantasy stories" to reality, in the morning there were details of the January drone attack on the Khmeimim base. "technologically advanced country" is directly named:

    ".... Management of unmanned aerial vehicles attacking the base of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria Khmeimim carried out by a US reconnaissance aircraft Poseidon-8..."

    ".... When these 13 drones stumbled upon our veil of electronic warfare, they retreated a certain distance, received the appropriate commands, and began to control them from space and tell them the so-called holes, into which they began to penetrate. Then they were destroyed. ... "

    source: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717223?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 25 October 2018 09: 43
      +3
      Quote: reminin
      And there remains the only option of protection - the destruction of potential carriers ...

      I would add a drone control item, such as Poseidon-8.
      In the same article, Fomin said:
      "This also needs to be stopped: in order not to fight the high-tech weapons of terrorists and well-equipped terrorists, we need to stop equipping them," the Deputy Defense Minister summed up.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 27 October 2018 02: 06
        +1
        So stop supplying Hezbollah with weapons. High tech. And then when terrorists from Hezbollah hit Israeli tanks with Fogot, it causes a stir in the hall - "how are we them?" Only here with Hezbollah as with dushmans - they can start fighting with the same weapon against yesterday's "ally"
  8. reminin
    reminin 25 October 2018 09: 35
    +7
    And the only protection option will remain - the destruction of potential carriers of mini-missiles at take-off or at airfields. In other words, a full-scale war.
    1. goose
      goose 25 October 2018 17: 50
      0
      Quote: reminin
      And the only protection option will remain - the destruction of potential carriers of mini-missiles at take-off or at airfields. In other words, a full-scale war.

      What do you want? Means of attack are always ahead of the defense, the defending side always loses. To have a chance to win, an attack cannot be dispensed with.
    2. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 27 October 2018 02: 08
      -2
      And since Russia will not pull conventional weapons in the Middle East, there remains (as the guarantor said) hope for a preventive nuclear strike
      1. Trol_2
        Trol_2 27 October 2018 02: 46
        +1
        Do not misinterpret. The guarantor said a retaliatory strike.
  9. ccsr
    ccsr 25 October 2018 09: 49
    -1
    Author:
    Evgeny Damantsev
    capable of ensuring the dispersal of “Toporiks” at altitudes from 33 to 55 km, outside the altitude range of the SAM 48N6DM.

    The key to countering such sophisticated air attack tools

    And what accuracy will this "complex tool" (and therefore expensive) have if the spread is produced from an altitude of 33-55 km, and even with air flows of different directions at different altitudes?
  10. Volga073
    Volga073 25 October 2018 09: 57
    +11
    We must put a fan!
    And blow them back to Israel!
    1. Elefantito
      Elefantito 25 October 2018 10: 31
      0
      The fan can’t cope, the length of the projectile is three meters, the diameter is 0,6 m with a weight of less than three kg. It will be necessary to put a couple of dozen to close the entire border.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 25 October 2018 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: Elefantito
        projectile length three meters,

        What are 3 METERS? This bomb has a case diameter of 60 mm, length 301 mm and weight 2,72 kg 301 mm = 30,1 centimeters.
      2. aiden
        aiden 26 October 2018 03: 52
        0
        30 centimeters
        1. Grosses russland
          Grosses russland 26 October 2018 09: 35
          0
          30 centimeters

          It is not sick for the tool, but not enough for the bonba. lol
  11. Savini
    Savini 25 October 2018 10: 14
    +1
    We need subtle electronic warfare, along the entire border, any. With a destruction range of up to 100 km in height. And everything goes to the construction of a base in Syria.
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 27 October 2018 02: 12
      +1
      The Iranians have already stumbled into bases. We took control of all cellular communications in Syria. We bought land. So the presence of the Russian Federation in Syria after the war with ISIS is not included in Iran's plans. How did the Aerospace Forces try to organize a jump airfield in Iran a couple of years ago? After 2 (!) Days Iran asked the Russian Federation "to leave." The same will happen in Syria
  12. huntsman650
    huntsman650 25 October 2018 10: 21
    0
    in threatened areas
  13. Khakas
    Khakas 25 October 2018 10: 28
    0
    They want to shower us with caps wassat oh sorry "hatchets"
  14. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 25 October 2018 10: 41
    0
    But if the carrier of these Hatchets is destroyed before they are dropped, what is the problem?
  15. Santor
    Santor 25 October 2018 10: 49
    +5
    Eugene, for reference - they started to develop this hatchet in the 2005 year /, at least then they boasted that soon everyone would be happy. In 2012, they presented not a model but a layout.
    13 years have passed and they still can’t create an industrial design. Rather, while they are doing it, ours are modestly announcing the creation of one or another thing that puts all their work on the edge.

    And why is the Shell not here in business if the smallest EPR that he confidently captures is 2-3 centimeter ??? Centimeter !!!!!

    There is another point - the shells exported and in service with us differ in performance characteristics. The United States acquired several shells, but it was in the export version. It's like experiencing Ukrainian C-300 :)))

    The shell was created around the same time, the prototype was rolled out on the chassis in the 1994 year ... From the 2016 year, the Shell went into the troops - SM, whose TTX was classified. The only thing is that it can now hit (not capture, namely hit) targets at a distance of 40 kilometers from the location.

    Well, in addition to the Shell, there are many unpleasant surprises that Americans know about and seriously consider.
    1. goose
      goose 25 October 2018 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: Santor
      And why is the Shell not here in business if the smallest EPR that he confidently captures is 2-3 centimeter ??? Centimeter !!!!!

      Yes, because the metal in these pieces is really 2-3 cm, respectively, the EPR at the same level, about 1-10 square cm.
    2. Trol_2
      Trol_2 27 October 2018 02: 53
      0
      The shells over Khmeinim, mortar mines and rockets of martyrs were shot down during the campaign. After this failure, specialists in the guise of bearded shepherds began to try to push the UAV.
  16. iouris
    iouris 25 October 2018 11: 04
    +2
    Clear: S-400s are needed for protection. S-400s can only be protected from a threat by destroying the threat. This is an endless story.
  17. Captain45
    Captain45 25 October 2018 11: 13
    +9
    I read the title of the article Direct threat to C-300 and C-400. Unobtrusive "Axes" will challenge the defense of Russia and for some reason I thought - Damantsev. I looked at the author - for sure. "Peacocks, you say? Heheh .." (c) Of course, maybe not quite decently, but ... If the battleships - Kaptsov, everything is gone, we are lagging behind - Damantsev, well, everyone is crazy, because we will give 1000500 megaton bomb - Sivkov ...
  18. Tektor
    Tektor 25 October 2018 11: 56
    0
    I would cover especially valuable objects with Mercury, which can cover an impenetrable canopy with a radius of 50 m from guided warheads and means with radio fuses. Have everyone seen the Attack of the Clones in Star Wars? This is our Mercury.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 25 October 2018 12: 33
      0
      You can also apply Derivation-Air Defense
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 October 2018 11: 58
    0
    Is it possible to invest in the KAZ industry? It seems to me that these weapons are waiting for rapid growth in the next 20 years.
  20. usovo1
    usovo1 25 October 2018 13: 28
    -1
    Thank you, Eugene, for the article! Correctly point out that all types of weapons that can be used in an attack on us must be taken into account
  21. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 October 2018 13: 50
    -1
    Chef! All is gone! It remains only to surrender ..... laughing tongue wassat I think that if mattresses use these babies, Iskander will fly back and bring them a lot of warmth and light ... bully
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  23. high
    high 25 October 2018 14: 31
    +1
    So, 20 days after the unloading of the elements of the first division from the cargo compartment of the An-124-100 on the Khmeimim Avb Aviation, the Israeli Air Force made no attempts to suppress the renewed Syrian air defense from the Antilivan ridges

    1. The author, apparently, does not know that the S-300s have not yet taken on duty?
    2. Russia, it seems, solved the issue with Iran:
    Now, Iranian military bases continue to be disbanded in Syria.
    The first was disbanded T-4 - the largest base, which played a key role in ensuring the Iranian military presence in Syria. Then came the turn of other bases.
    Perhaps this is due to excluding the likelihood of a Russian-Israeli clash - Tel Aviv warned that it would strike even at the Russian S-300, if the latter would protect the Iranians.
  24. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 October 2018 15: 13
    0
    Why do I need to do this submunition manageable? In modern BRs, accuracy is enough and the cassette warhead is also enough.
    S-300, if desired, can always be turned into a BR, will equip such a warhead.
  25. margo2000
    margo2000 25 October 2018 15: 18
    -3
    "US or Israeli tactical fighters will be destroyed by the S-300PMU-2 and S-400 complexes" - but a bold statement, I would not be so self-confident.
  26. nobody111body
    nobody111body 25 October 2018 15: 39
    -2
    well, such junk and we can rivet millions and the Syrians are happy to visit their old MiGs and fall asleep in the same way Israel-one "but" for this, as well as for many other things, our demagogue-humanist Lavrov and our "neither fish nor meat" Vladimir interfere these same Syrian pilots should not, like the Syrian air defense operators
  27. macgyver
    macgyver 25 October 2018 16: 08
    0
    They will start dropping media. That's all ...
  28. Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 25 October 2018 17: 39
    +3
    I recognized the author of the article by its name. laughing
  29. Allexxx
    Allexxx 25 October 2018 18: 25
    -1
    The main threat to the above complexes is the inhomogeneous curvature of the Earth, and representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense spoke about this. This must be taken into account in the first place, and not the mythical low-orbit "Hatchets", from which you can "fight back" with smoke from fires.
  30. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 25 October 2018 19: 04
    0
    We will wait for a blow to OUR installations and we will respond not to these pieces of iron, but to carriers that are still above the territory of Israel. Let them build wings for these devices to increase planning by 400 km.
  31. 123456789
    123456789 25 October 2018 20: 02
    0


    Ultra-small size UAB "Hatchet" (demonstrator)

    Nothing is new under the moon: What is, was, will be forever.

    PTAB 2,5-1,5 (Air Force Index - 7-T-118) - Soviet anti-tank bomb weighing 1,5 kg in dimensions of 2,5 kg with a cumulative charge, designed to destroy tanks. The most massive aerial bomb of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War (1943 million bombs were delivered to the army in 1945-14,6). Developer - TsKB-22, I. A. Larionov. The cumulative bomb was developed in the USSR in 1942 at the Central Design Bureau No. 22, which specialized in the development of fuses ...

    RS-82 and RS-132 (from Russian rocket projectile, caliber 82 and 132 mm, respectively) - unguided aviation ammunition (reaching the target without correcting the trajectory during the flight) of classes air - air and air - surface equipped with a jet engine on smokeless powder . Developed in the USSR from 1929 to 1937. Widely used during the Great Patriotic War. Further development of the RS-82 and RS-132 were the M-8 and M-13 shells, which were also used in the surface-mounted MLRS.

    Advanced Drones Destruction System!
    Radar () detects drones at a distance of 10 km and determines the exact coordinates of the target, the fire control system () calculates the time to detonate the NURS () and programs the fuse (). NURS flies out and explodes at the right point, creating a cloud of fragments that destroys the drone. The NURS should not exactly hit the target, the cloud of 80mm rocket fragments is much larger than the cloud of 35mm shell fragments, we can safely expect the destruction of the drone by one single inexpensive NURS. The complex also has an optoelectronic target detection system ().
  32. Svarozhich
    Svarozhich 25 October 2018 20: 47
    +1
    All this is beautiful BUT Israel in its deserted area is equal to the dwarf green and fertile Oryol region ... continue, or draw your own conclusions?
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 27 October 2018 02: 15
      +2
      Around 450 million Arabs, however still ...
      1. Trol_2
        Trol_2 27 October 2018 03: 07
        0
        Thanks to the protection of the USA. Because it is beneficial to them and there is interest. But if this corporation under the name of the USA becomes unprofitable and expensive, then they will abandon it without doubt to be eaten by the Arabs. And only Russia will harness for Israel. As well as for Syria.
  33. vladimir.yan4enkoff
    vladimir.yan4enkoff 25 October 2018 20: 54
    +1
    Zhenya, you are an unwise person to compare the s-400 with the s-400 bomb, the detection radius is 400km where the bombs will
  34. Robin - Bobbin
    Robin - Bobbin 25 October 2018 22: 18
    +1
    Twenty-five again, I read the headline and it’s immediately clear who writes - our couch warrior and expert Damantsev. Already boredom suggest his excerpts from the journal TTX. laughing
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      1. Robin - Bobbin
        Robin - Bobbin 26 October 2018 12: 32
        +1
        And such experts and their followers. Well, analyst would be something real, otherwise fiction based on newspapers and magazines.
  35. aiden
    aiden 26 October 2018 03: 57
    +2
    Also chtoli start writing articles. It definitely won’t be worse
  36. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 26 October 2018 06: 48
    0
    I read it and I would like to know where the author learned to cook so cool "noodles" for our ears! In one word, "master of culinary fantasies"!
  37. Molot1979
    Molot1979 26 October 2018 10: 11
    +2
    It touches me to tears every time. Another "xperd" once again discovers America and invents another bicycle. And at the same time, one hundred percent sure that he is the only one so smart, and only stupid fools sit in the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense. Well, they didn't hear anything about "Tomahawks" or about ultra-small UABs. And he, so all in white among the shit, dug up secrets, tore off the covers and enlighten the silly ones. Or maybe you, dear father, go to the defense minister? Or chiefs of the General Staff? Or even concurrently replace with one another all intelligence services, whatever they are, and at the same time all analytical departments of the armed forces of the Russian Federation? Why do we need them, if only Evgeny Damantsev knows everything better than anyone? At the same time, we will save money. And we will save our S-300/400, which would otherwise be bombarded with ultra-small UABs and Axes. And without Damantsev, no one would guess to use electronic warfare means or even build an echeloned air defense system there.
  38. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 October 2018 10: 38
    0
    Yes, for amateurs, this is already an area of ​​science fiction so far science has stepped forward to create such intellectual means to kill people, as well as means to counter such shells - killers. It turns out that we have the means to withstand small-sized projectiles, which are difficult to see even for the S-300 and S-400 radars? Commendable for our torn Obama economy.
  39. Old26
    Old26 26 October 2018 12: 01
    +4
    Guys!!!! Well, what do you want from Damantsev. Both he and Sivkov simply "Love" to write. Even if it doesn't correspond to reality. Read his article carefully again. Continuous euphoria from the appearance of the S-300 in Syria. Well, there is no "impenetrable" air defense, it all depends on the order of the forces involved in such "penetration". And if now the Israeli Air Force is not striking these zones, this does not mean at all that they have come to terms with this state of affairs. They will study the situation, test the capabilities of the complex using their own methods, including the use of booby-trap missiles and anti-radar missiles, and then they will "look". And three sets of weather will not do on the territory of Syria. This air fence may have many "holes" ...

    Quote: faradien
    Actually, and we have something similar, "Drill" is probably called something else earlier. And to shoot them down ... Mr. Damantsev forgot that Pantsir also has an optical detection channel. There are other complexes with an optical channel. The bomb is passive, not high-speed, not capable of active maneuvering. If found, it won't be that difficult to shoot it down. Especially when a drone flew in the distance and it makes sense to expect an attack

    The conclusion is correct that a low-speed target can be shot down quite easily. The question is again in the number of such bombs used. if there is a swarm of dozens or even hundreds of such "bombs", will the "shell" be able to do something? The ammunition load of missiles or of shells is not dimensionless ...

    Quote: Vard
    In the era of guided munitions, as the author rightly noted, electronic warfare is becoming increasingly important ... The good news is that in air defense and electronic warfare we still have an advantage ... Moreover, significant ...

    You know, comrade. After the statements of the Deputy Minister of Defense Ministry Fomin that the veil of electronic warfare forced the drones to move away (and not "brought them down") somehow you begin to ask yourself questions, but what kind of electronic warfare system is this that could not suppress the control channels made "on the knee" of the drones?
    1. Lunt
      Lunt 26 October 2018 15: 06
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      They said, “Arena-M” and “Afganit”.
  40. Lunt
    Lunt 26 October 2018 15: 03
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    The way out is the development of devices that create a force field around guarded objects, impervious to any ammunition.
  41. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 26 October 2018 16: 18
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    warrant officers always prank on wooden horses.
  42. Antokha
    Antokha 26 October 2018 21: 02
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    I have to intercede for the author. I always read it with interest. It is not clear why it is necessary to attack Yevgeny Damantsev all the time, and even practice sarcasm at the same time. Long articles full of performance characteristics are good. By the way, they do not contain repetitions of old news a hundred times, such as "recall, the Russian Il-20 was shot down ..." which occupy half of the note, and the words fit together, not like in some news about nothing, where the noun is masculine, and the adjective right next to it is feminine. I specifically read the comments, no one is worried about blatant illiteracy and haste. And then the performance characteristics from magazines, then ignorance of the subject area is attributed. A person presents hypothetical situations based on published data. This is a normal military, and purely technical, without politics, modeling. The enemy should not be underestimated. Neither Israel, nor, moreover, America. They are serious, well-funded, very smart and absolutely shameless people. I would not like to understand that they still managed to screw something up, at which we laughed, and knocked out all our teeth somewhere in Syria. Better to keep an eye out for Damantsev and think in advance.
    1. OrlyonokEd
      OrlyonokEd 20 February 2019 00: 54
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      Shameless people are the Damantsevs who do not understand anything, but simply reprint the performance characteristics from Wikipedia with errors. Therefore, "Delilah" becomes "Delida" for him, and Spike, according to his theory, does not launch from the Antilevan ridges.
      Danantsev's phenomenon is called simply "amateurism"
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 1 March 2019 11: 59
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        Let from Wikipedia, I myself am not a specialist. One thing is clear: more knowledgeable and experienced people should write their articles of a similar kind here, but for some reason they are not. And you can learn a lot on the couch, there would be a desire.
  43. Andrey Vitalyevich
    Andrey Vitalyevich 27 October 2018 00: 05
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    Well, let's see ... as they say .... but when, purely, the Syrians, a couple of Raphael or other "art" will be demolished, but the pilots will be left alive? what then tell utyrki?
  44. Vadim12
    Vadim12 27 October 2018 00: 42
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    Not only defensive weapons, but also offensive ones must be delivered to Syria. You can’t defend yourself all the time. If Israel destroys the air defense - keep an answer, but with big sacrifices, maybe they will think a little.
  45. puma88ss
    puma88ss 27 October 2018 01: 45
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    Israel has already tested Spike NLOS on the Shell; they have saboteurs. It all depends on the desire to confront.
  46. PVOSV
    PVOSV 27 October 2018 22: 00
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    how did the author recognize the EPR of this UAB? identified by eye apparently immediately in all ranges and angles laughing
  47. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 28 October 2018 14: 45
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    Quote: ArikKhab
    don't search in a fit of anti-semitism new enemy in the face of israel

    But what is your indestructible mantra? Only the question of the state of Israel will touch (even in terms of geopolitical discussions), so immediately the cries: "Gevaaalt! Pogroooom!" And without anti-anti-Semitic tantrums fail? Moreover, you seek out anti-Semitism where any other with a microscope is at a loss.
  48. RadYan
    RadYan 30 October 2018 12: 51
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    Quote: Vard
    The good news is that in air defense and electronic warfare we still have an advantage ... Moreover, a significant ...

    Well, this still needs to be checked ....
  49. RadYan
    RadYan 30 October 2018 13: 01
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    Quote: puma88ss
    Israel has already tested Spike NLOS on the Shell; they have saboteurs. It all depends on the desire to confront.

    Very correct conclusion !! I agree completely !!
  50. almazkhamidullin
    almazkhamidullin 30 October 2018 20: 37
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    All this is bullshit and a waste of time on chatting. It all started with the fact that the Warsaw Pact fell apart. And it was created as a counterweight to NATO. It's time to create the Shanghai Treaty as opposed to the SCO. And then this SCO sounds almost like SOS, especially when there are no teeth. And all these Israeli gadgets (scattering of "hatchets", etc.) are nothing compared to the Russian-Chinese Mutual Assistance Treaty, everyone will shut up: the US, NATO, and even more so Israel.