Why they killed Stalin and destroyed the USSR

Great Russia (USSR), with its unparalleled Victory over Hitler's "European Union", changed the future of the planet, making it more humane, giving all people hope for salvation, liberation from Western colonialist predators, and justice. The world felt that there is strength and will on the planet that can withstand the Western project of enslaving humanity.

The world after 1945 of the year was divided into three parts. The first is Soviet civilization of the future, socialist Russia-USSR. She built the world, the society of the future - knowledge, creation and service, on the basis of social justice and the domination of the ethics of conscience. The union proposed a project of co-flourishing, rather than enslaving the weak and defenseless by more developed and predatory powers (mostly Western). Therefore, the socialist camp quickly expanded and strengthened, bringing hope for a bright future to the peoples of mankind.

The second part is the slave-owning, predatory West, a western project that creates a caste, slave society on the planet. The tolpoelitarny system, the consumer society - with the division of people into gentlemen, "chosen" and "two-legged tools", consumer-slaves. For centuries, the West has plundered surrounding nations, countries, tribes, cultures and civilizations. This allowed in the XX century to create a "capitalism showcase" - the seemingly beautiful life of the western middle class and the rich, while hiding the existence of the disadvantaged and the caste system (for example, negros in the US for very long were almost deprived of basic rights). The plundering of colonies and semi-colonies, the cruelest exploitation of slaves and workers, no different from them, except for the "freedom" to die of hunger, allowed the prosperity of the metropolis, the core of the western, capitalist system to be created.

The third part is the “third world”, awakening after the socialist revolution in Russia and the victory in the Great War. Peoples and countries tearing off the visible shackles of colonialism (often they were immediately replaced by the hidden mechanisms of the semi-colonial system). This world has felt that there is a brilliant example on the planet, showing the main direction of human development, leading us out of the bloody and terrible impasse of the slave-owning world.

The West has faced a dangerous problem - the Western capitalist system can flourish only with constant expansion. The robbery and the exhaustion of resources from other countries and peoples. And here it is not enough that Russia held out and challenged the West, presenting to humanity a new society of the future ... Russia-USSR constantly expanded its sphere of influence, and many third-world countries had the opportunity to choose. The West is horrified and immediately starts the Third World War (the so-called Cold War). The West could no longer openly fight with Russia-USSR, because it was afraid to suffer defeat in open combat, and the creation of nuclear weapons it was not just millions of ordinary soldiers who were threatened with death, they never regretted “cannon fodder”, but also the owners of the West themselves. Therefore, the global mafia begins informational, ideological, secret (the war of diplomacy and special services) and the economic war against the Soviet Union. On the territory of third countries, there are also “hot” conflicts, for example, in Korea.

The main stake is the masters of the West do on the "fifth column" in the USSR. England and the United States are working on a well-developed scenario. In particular, it managed to destroy the Russian Empire. In the Soviet Union, in 1930, most of the “fifth column” was destroyed — the Trotskyists, military conspirators, Bandera, the Baltic “forest brothers”, Basmachis, etc. This was one of the main reasons for the victory in the Great Patriotic War. Red Moscow did not repeat the mistakes of monarchical Petrograd. but the question was that the “fifth column” is constantly being restored, since the root of the problem is in a pro-Western, cosmopolitan culture that reproduces Westerners (Decembrists, Februaryists, Vlasovites, Khrushchevites, Gorbachevs, etc. traitors and enemies of the people). A small part of the society (“elite”, intelligentsia) hates “this people and country” and dreams of living in the West, trying to turn Russia into a “sweet Holland or France”, does not recognize the fact that Russia is a separate original civilization. That Russia is not the West, not its “wild and backward”, “semi-Asian” periphery. Hence the current problems of the Russian civilization and the people, the “elite” and most of the intelligentsia are Westerners, they are in Russia only for “work”, they earn capital and get “points” (“cookies”) for the correct, in the interests of the West, thinking and acting or inaction. They wish to live in the West; capital, families are transferred there, they send children to study.

In the West, they strongly support such people — it suffices to give an example of Solzhenitsyn or Gorbachev. In the West, they have learned well how to process, “zombie” people. Degenerative psychological treatment leads to the transformation of ordinary labor people into social parasites and consumers. First of all, relatives and friends, children and grandchildren of the country's leaders (nomenclature, elite) are subjected to such processing. So it turns out that grandfathers and fathers could fight and shed blood for a great socialist homeland, and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren, the “golden youth” seduced by the “beautiful life”, surrendered to the USSR, betrayed the great works of entire generations, became a parasitic, worthless layer of drones . Also, in the spirit of nationalism, national minorities, a degenerative segment of the population (criminals, etc.) were treated, unable to perceive the socialist morality of a person of the future. They became the main base of the West in the formation of the "fifth column" and began a subversive ideological struggle against the peoples of Soviet civilization, exposing the "shortcomings of the Soviet system" and colorfully describing the advantages of a "free society" and "beautiful life" in the West.

The uninhabited and newly formed “fifth column” eliminated Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, the great leader of the USSR and the Russian people. Eliminated the real titan, who along with his comrades saved Russia from its slaughter by Trotsky-internationalists, who acted in the interests of the global mafia. The great man, who, together with the people, began to create a super-civilization of the future, which set the course of human development for centuries to come. This allowed for a palace coup in the USSR: eliminating Stalin's loyal companion — Beria, “the best manager of the 20th century” —and bringing Khrushchev to power, a man with a philistine, poor kulak psychology (possibly a hidden Trotskyist). Starts "restructuring-1" - the triumph of the "fifth column". Developed in the depths of Western intelligence agencies, the idea of ​​“exposing the personality cult of Stalin” and the lie about tens of millions repressed and destroyed by the Soviet regime is widely spread. The criminal anti-Soviet and Russophobic "thaw" begins. This leads to a split in the socialist camp. China and a number of other socialist countries do not accept Khrushchev’s revisionist, traitorous course.

From now on begins decomposition of the Soviet elite, which abandoned the idea of ​​creating a society, civilization of the future, and went first to coexistence, and then to the rapprochement of the socialist and capitalist systems. All this ended in the catastrophe of the Soviet civilization 1985-1991. and the absorption of the greater part of the socialist camp by the West with the total robbery of the new “living territory” and the creation of semi-colonial regimes devoted to the West.

However, the owners of the West, the global mafia is not enough full power on the planet. They want to continue their "sweet" existence as long as possible. In the 1960-ies on the basis of elite clubs (in particular, the Rome Club), uniting the clans of the global mafia, a clear prediction was made that at the current population growth rate, humanity is doomed to a global crisis towards the turn of 2030-2050. This forecast led to the fact that the ruling and financial "elites" began to seriously think about their salvation and survival in the conditions of the inevitable systemic crisis of the biosphere, humanity, capitalism and the West. The global mafia has realized: to continue its parasitic existence, it is necessary to destroy most of the population of the planet.

Reality has shown that Western consumer society is killing the planet and humanity. The global mafia, because it adheres to an unjust, degenerative psychology (in terms of Christianity is Satanism), saw a way out in reducing the consumption of raw materials by reducing population (to 1-2 billion people) through wars, controlled disasters, famine, disease, weapons of genocide - drugs, alcohol, poisoned food, etc. In this case, the consumption of the main part of the surviving humanity is seriously reduced. For example, after the collapse of the USSR, the Western masters no longer needed to preserve the “sign of capitalism” - the image of the “beautiful life” of the middle class in Europe and the USA, and it began to decline rapidly. Degradation-parasitic needs, overconsumption of the "elite", "chosen" remains.

There is a redistribution of Earth’s resources in favor of the “elite”. Thus, in Russia, about 1% of the population owns 80-90% of all the country's wealth created by the labor of many generations. After reducing the population of the planet, restore (at least partially) the ecology of the planet by drastically reducing industrial production and concentrating harmful industries in strictly defined regions of the planet. As a result, the possibility of a global catastrophe will be excluded. Hence such attention to the reduction of stocks of weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, biological), primarily in Russia.

All this is done not for our prosperity, but for the final establishment of a slave-owning civilization on the planet, where all the advanced technologies and knowledge will be available to the gentlemen, and the surviving "two-legged tools" will be thrown back into the past, into wildness. One way or another, the Islamic world, China, is trying to oppose these plans. But Russia is the key territory and civilization in this confrontation. From here, one can understand the riddle of the revolution and Stalin's repressions, “perestroika” and the destruction of the USSR, the introduction of “democracy”, and in fact, the semicolonial regime in the Russian Federation and Ukraine (Little Russia), the genocide of the Russian people that began in 90-ies of the XX century and continuing to this day.

Comments

[Hole puncher]

Eka suffered that in the morning ..

[just exp]

and how are State Department cookies from a basket and jam from a barrel?
tasty ?
and how does it fit well into the neck? no heartburn and nothing like that?
it’s a pity that when a person’s hands, legs, other parts of the body are formed in the womb, but some people’s consciences never form.

[Basil50]

It is very unfortunate that in modern RUSSIA the ideology of * Vlasovites * is different * spill *, from frank Zionists to those who yell about their * patriotism *, but all together bark at the RUSSIANS and RUSSIA ..
On television and on radio, they are the only ones who perform. In general, the differences between them are only in vocabulary, ideology is only ANTISOVETISM.

[just exp]

it is not communism as such, and not even religion, although they partially form consciousness (but not completely, the genes also have an influence, no matter how anyone tries to refute this).
business as a whole complex consciousness-genetics-surrounding society.
in other words, there is a man-egoist, and a man-altruist, or the Western model of society, against the Russian model of society. by the Russian model, I mean a model similar to communism, that is, a person limits himself in luxury in order not to overweight and not become what Europeans are now (well, one of them will now stand under the gun and go to give his life even for his homeland, not to mention about a stranger or going to conquer, which is why bankers bring Arabs to the EU, because Europeans themselves will not go to war with Russia) and giving priority to the benefit of society, and society gives it everything necessary, from education to housing.
essentially the same USSR, but there are still differences.
and there are characters who were born here, but the Western model suits them, and these freaks try not to go where they feel comfortable, but to create a small west here.
Ukraine example.
in fact, the first Ukrainian (not to be confused with young) is a Russian who tried not to go abroad but to make abroad at home.

[free]

Quote: just EXPL

it is not communism as such, and not even religion, although they partially form consciousness (but not completely, the genes also have an influence, no matter how anyone tries to refute this).
business as a whole complex consciousness-genetics-surrounding society.
in other words, there is a man-egoist, and a man-altruist, or the Western model of society, against the Russian model of society. by the Russian model, I mean a model similar to communism, that is, a person limits himself in luxury in order not to overweight and not become what Europeans are now (well, one of them will now stand under the gun and go to give his life even for his homeland, not to mention about a stranger or going to conquer, which is why bankers bring Arabs to the EU, because Europeans themselves will not go to war with Russia) and giving priority to the benefit of society, and society gives it everything necessary, from education to housing.
essentially the same USSR, but there are still differences.
and there are characters who were born here, but the Western model suits them, and these freaks try not to go where they feel comfortable, but to create a small west here.
Ukraine example.
in fact, the first Ukrainian (not to be confused with young) is a Russian who tried not to go abroad but to make abroad at home.

Bullshit! Popovschina covered with discussions about genes.
Man is a product of his environment.

[just exp]

and yes and no, and yes, a person most often grows up the way he was raised, and no, because VERY often natural takes its toll. when the siblings who brought up the same and the same conditions grow completely different people, the same topic with the sisters, and even with the twins (just read the story about 2 twin sisters and one correct, the other Shmar and I personally saw such examples, and with twins and just sisters, and at the expense of the brothers I have such crap at home, my brother and I are generally diametrically different people, and my father has the same theme with his brother, although the conditions for the father and brother were the same).

[CALL.]

allowed to create the prosperity of the metropolis, the core of the Western, capitalist system.

When you listen or read how indignant in the West the terror of the 30s and the famine in the USSR, it is always interesting to find out, was there anything similar in the history of the West? It turns out there is.
In the United States, it turns out, there was famine during the Great Depression, during which 5-7 million people died. As for England, she managed to organize a "famine" in India during the Second World War, during which, according to various estimates, from 2,5 to 6 million people died from malnutrition and disease. The actions of the British administration are cited as one of the reasons for the famine. In the first seven months of 1943, 80 tons of food grains were removed from starving Bengal.

[andrew42]

Idea priests that? - But seriously, significant inheritance of the parent's value system is a ubiquitous phenomenon. "An apple from an apple tree ..", "No matter how many wolves you feed ..", etc. etc. Further - the straightening of character and the acquisition of additional stereotypes of behavior, due to the environment you mentioned. Moreover, the "environment" is also created by human society, society .. And there are different "environments", who in what "rotates" is called so :) For he wants to rotate in this environment, with such values, and not with others, wants contact with similar individuals of their "domain". Race> Russenia> Rus> Russia - we are doomed to make a fairy tale come true, to go to a just social structure of society Knowledge "what is good and what is bad". And there is no one else. Not for the European "summer residents" to do this (the descendants of settlers in post-glacial Europe), and not for the "American vinaigrette", where everyone seems to be in a "melting pot", but in fact are divided into consortia.

[CALL.]

This leads to a split in the socialist camp. China and a number of other socialist countries do not accept Khrushchev’s revisionist, treacherous course.

After the announcement of the "cult of personality" and the commotion around the world, Nikita gathered in Moscow the leaders of all the Communist Parties of the world. Then the budget still allowed. Collected up to Australia and New Zealand. It was the turn to speak to Enver Hodge. He put his translator beside him and ordered: "Translate what I say word for word." Khrushchev sat on the podium. Pointing to Nikita, Enver said: “You are present at an extraordinary historical event. Look at this jerk. He raised his hand to the great man, I.V. Stalin. Yes, he doesn’t even have any marks from his boots. ” Gomulka, the first secretary of the Polish Communist Party, lost her nerves. He said: "You can’t bite the hand of the owner who feeds." Enver retorted: "We are not dogs, we are communists!"

[Ruudi 34]

It is a pity that in our country the "Vlasovites" are equated with the concept of "Russians" against "Soviets" ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

I agree with you — the article is complete nonsense. The author makes nonsense, equating Russia and the USSR, although they relate in the same way as Kaiser Germany refers to the GDR. And this is not to mention the conspiracy theories about some "masters of the West" and "a just society of creation in the USSR." What, in general, “fair” society can be where people massively scribble denunciations, and scientists are forced to work in “sharashka” prisons ?!
And in the death of Dzhugashvili there is no mystery. He was going to arrange another "purge" of his environment, with a fatal outcome for his environment. I don’t know if they took advantage of the attack of the disease or decided to poison it, but the fact remains: no one wanted to live under the sword of Damocles paranoia of the “leader”.

[solzh]

people scribble in large numbers, and scientists are forced to work in sharashka prisons

Did you write denunciations the same in Soviet times? Or maybe during the Soviet era you worked in a "sharashka"?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

And you, I see, believe that there were no denunciations in the USSR since the time of Dzhugashvili? And sharashka also fiction?

[just exp]

in ideal and blessed USA there are denunciations?
and weight ?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

in ideal and blessed USA there are denunciations?
and weight ?

What's the difference in the US or the EU? We are interested in Russia. Let other countries go at least on their ears, the main thing is that we do not have the same.

[just exp]

but, of course, well, here I can only support you, in Stalinist Russia people besides all were sick, moreover, the cutting mode was so fierce that with it people were still aging and were dying of old age. here the despot was this bloody Stalin.
well, our people didn’t lag behind him, their organisms farted, consumed water (and this will be a valuable resource soon), went to the toilet. wild animals in general.
whether it is in the west, all the angels are incorporeal, souls are pure and sinless. and if someone says that this is not so, then he can be told "We are interested in Russia. Let other countries at least go on their ears, the main thing is that we do not have the same."
and again you can go to Russia, because if there is something bad in Russia (theft, prostitution, drug addiction, banditry), then this is a national trait of the Russians, but if someone else does the same thing in another country, then he can say “We are interested in Russia . Let other countries at least be on their ears, the main thing is that we do not have the same. "
the main thing is to continue to blame exactly the Russians, but don’t dare to touch others .....
how are you all predictable as amoeba.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Sorry, but you have a banal stream of consciousness mixed with attempts to insult. I tried to convey to you one simple idea: you do not need to justify your own meanness with another's meanness. This idea, apparently, is not just alien to you, but is completely incomprehensible.

[just exp]

once again for the especially gifted, it is not necessary to pass off for the Russian peculiarity what is characteristic of ALL. Caps comes up better?
and the screams about the fact that "I am for all the good and against all the bad" is no longer rolled.
whoever just didn’t carry them, and Nadezhdin and Gozman and bulk, there were hundreds of them and we all know what kind of passengers they are.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

once again for the especially gifted, it is not necessary to pass off for the Russian peculiarity what is characteristic of ALL. Caps comes up better?

My dear fellow, I did not even think to pass off something as a "Russian peculiarity." If you perceive my words this way, then this is your problem. And as for denunciations, they are written always and everywhere, but in the USSR of the 30s this abomination acquired mass character. And this mass did not depend on nationality; it depended on the culture instilled in the communist regime.

[just exp]

no la la, this technique is about the fact that "I am not interested in what is in the west, I am interested in my country" liberals use constantly, especially this is what the gozman is guilty of.
he generally carries this crap in almost every speech.
and remember, there wasn’t massive snitching in those years.
mainly those who then cleaned were knocking.
try to turn on the mosk and understand that some relatives of local members of the forum who are still personally caught in those days are still alive.
and here even those who had relatives actually sat in the camps even wrote in favor of Stalin.
do a survey here on this topic and they will tell you a lot of things, you will be very surprised.
Threat, but in the west, the informer has a MASS character, because there the premium for this falls. and everyone is knocking there, work colleagues, especially neighbors, the very neighbors that smile at you every morning, but if they just notice that your car is too expensive for them, you can guess at one attempt who will call the police for the first that would check your income.
but about the fact that you will be patched up by the entire okrug if your lawn is not cut, I am generally silent, as I am silent about the fact that you can be stupidly closed for walking around YOUR own area, because it scares some neighbors.
I can tell you a lot about the West, but you are not interested in this again, because you are only interested in how to raise the population of the Russian Federation to the Russian Maidan. then yes, then you get a wild interest.
I saw such. but what a sin to conceal, I see them on the Internet every day.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

and remember, there wasn’t massive snitching in those years.
mainly those who then cleaned were knocking.

Take a look at the statistics, and then draw conclusions.

Quote: just explo

it’s not of interest to you again, because it only interests with what it is possible to raise the population of the Russian Federation to the Russian Maidan.

This is of interest only to the communists and the like, because they are the ones who use Madan rhetoric about oligarchs and "social justice".

[just exp]

Well, let's TRUE statistics in the studio.
thirst for details.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Please:

Denunciations were written both voluntarily and involuntarily, under pressure from the investigation. Mercantile and everyday denunciations flourished, when a person wrote a denunciation on a neighbor in a communal apartment, hoping in the event of his arrest to occupy the vacated living space. Some managed, in modern terms, to "do business": the Artyomov family, consisting of spouses and 5 children, reported in a family contract. In total, they managed to "expose" 172 people who, in their opinion, were "enemies of the people." Members of the champion scammer family regularly received awards: orders and valuable gifts. But those who were suspected of "non-reporting" faced a tragic fate. A special order of the NKVD No. 00486 was even issued, according to which family members of those convicted under Article 58 were imprisoned "automatically": wives, elderly parents; children were sent to orphanages. A specific term appeared in official documents: "ChSIR" - a member of the family of a traitor to the Motherland. For tens of thousands of convicted wives, special camps were created, for example, the notorious "ALZHIR" - Akmola camp for wives of traitors to the Motherland.

https://historical-fact.livejournal.com/15533.html
Here is an article for you. Links to research in it.

[just exp]

Well, yes, what a healthy study.
it does not even pull on the abstract.
and this . I read a lot more sensible material on this topic, and even believed some, until I learned that the vast majority of this "evidence" was a common fake.

[efimich41]

. As for the denunciations, they are always and everywhere written, but in the USSR of the 30s this abomination became widespread. And this mass did not depend on nationality; it depended on the culture instilled in the communist regime.

Perhaps most of the denunciations can be attributed to the fight against the 5th column.

[karabas86]

Did your ancestors knock ???

[efimich41]

The answer to your question is no. For my ancestors, the word HONOR was not an empty phrase. And I suggested that perhaps this could explain such a large number of denunciations.

[karabas86]

Why then about the mass character?

[evgeny68]

Now in the whole civilized world they are knocking at each other, competition is called.

[Campanella]

Meanness? Yes, she is the norm of the Western civilized world.
Say you just don’t like Stalin, but this is your personal opinion. And how do you like Yeltsin? Humanist? What about Putin? What about Barack Obama?
Stalin is a man of his time, this time had its own morals.
America with nuclear bombs destroyed 2 cities for no reason. Truman who after that?
You must answer for meanness, but to everyone .., but the world is simple, the winner is not judged .... anywhere!
So all you say is an attempt to rewrite history. And not yours, you are a victim of propaganda.

[Ruudi 34]

Sorry, you said such nonsense. How is it "what's the difference between the US or the EU"? How is it "even if they walk on their ears"? With the collapse of the USSR, the confrontation with the West, something has not weakened, Mr. Lieutenant. But now we are: "such a democratic sweetheart with the name of Russia" ...)))) "They walk on their ears" well, let them walk ... just that you don't see, we also started doing this under their influence?

[Doliva63]

I remember that in the FRG (that is, in the EU) in the magistracy the deputy mayor was "on denunciations", and in certain places there were boxes for anonymous letters. So shtaaa (s)

[page]

Just as it is. They smile in the face, but turn away, scribble.

[Vladimir 5]

Got to the point, in the USA and other Europe, denunciations to the police and other bodies are going through the roof. Only the reaction is somewhat different, they certainly respond to the challenge, others are being drawn out by bureaucratic investigations. One difference from the Stalinist USSR, there are no instant arrests and an invariable gulag, that’s all the differences, as well as denunciations of the sea ......

[Alertr]

I read and see that actually Lieutenant Teterin He says the right things, and in general the direction of thought is correct, in my opinion. By slander, if it's very interesting, then the United States definitely has denunciations. Only they are called not "denunciations" or "slander", but reports. And people somehow perceive denunciations not as we, as a slander for which one can receive, but as something correct, even noble. Well, you understand in short, denunciations with them are a common thing and it is even encouraged.

[Claymore]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

And you, I see, believe that there were no denunciations in the USSR since the time of Dzhugashvili? And sharashka also fiction?

What's wrong with denunciations and "sharashkas"?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Claymore

What's wrong with denunciations and "sharashkas"?

You are apparently a descendant of those who reported and worked in the protection of camps and scarabs, if you do not understand why this is bad?

[Claymore]

No.

Just, unlike you, I have common sense and I can use the dictionary, as a result of which I know the meanings of these 2 concepts.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Claymore

It’s just that, unlike you, I have common sense and I can use the dictionary, as a result of which I know the meanings of these 2 concepts

those. You advocate that even the Soviet legal system has already been condemned, right, our young Stalinist?

[Claymore]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

those. You advocate that even the Soviet legal system has already been condemned, right, our young Stalinist?

Please tell us, our elderly anti-Soviet, which of the following was condemned by the "Soviet legal system" - denunciations or "sharashka"?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Claymore

which of the following was condemned by the "Soviet legal system" - denunciations or "sharashka"?

I think, our young Leninist, if you yourself raise your level of education, you will get an answer to your question.

[Claymore]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

I think

Not true.

[Campanella]

In the USA, even now, denunciation is everyone’s civic duty! Condemn them. What are you talking about nonsense. You are probably in extreme situations thinking about how you would look like a human? Rather than doing everything to save yourself.

[Dr_engie]

Reporting crimes is one thing, but going and saying that you have a neighbor who listens to the "voice of America" ​​on the radio is quite another

[evgeny68]

In your opinion, the Voice of America is a storehouse of truthful information, not a correct example.

[ver_]

... do you think there are no scammers now? ... In any organization * they knock * ... as in the proverb * ... fly higher, peck at one’s neighbor, cheat on the bottom .., you see - the boss will appreciate the zeal ..

[free]

Quote: solzh

people scribble in large numbers, and scientists are forced to work in sharashka prisons

Did you write denunciations the same in Soviet times? Or maybe during the Soviet era you worked in a "sharashka"?

In the days of the USSR, this Teterin would simply be thrown out of the country, such as it was not needed even in the janitors. As slops would be poured into the toilet and correctly done.

[MrK]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

I agree with you — the article is complete nonsense

About how the toilet of anti-Stalinism and Western freedom boiled

[Claymore]

Quote: mrark

Oh, how I started

Yes, I got busted.

But this seething is not capable of abolishing the fact that the article is complete rubbish (moreover, rubbish of a Trotskyist character).

[Ruudi 34]

Well, yes ... Nicholas II was also brought down by their generals .... no one wanted to live under the leadership of a "weakling and a fool" ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Rudi 34

Well, yes ... Nicholas II was also brought down by their generals .... no one wanted to live under the leadership of a "weakling and a fool" ...

Nikolai was blamed for something else - he pressed and strongly pressed the Old Believer merchants and part of the old aristocracy who tried to cash in on military orders.

At the end of 1916, due to the fact that a number of private defense enterprises, due to the greed of the capitalists, were gaining volumes of defense orders exceeding their capabilities, and also unreasonably high prices for weapons and ammunition, Nicholas II decided to replace commercial administrations, appointed by the owners, for the military, subordinate to state authorities. This deprived the capitalists of the opportunity to receive super-profits, and was the most important "crime" of the tsar, which led to his overthrow a few months later.

The only mention of the fact that in 1916 the tsar actually began the nationalization of the military industry, I found in the book of Academician A.M. Krylov "My memories". Academician Krylov, who was a famous shipbuilder and had the rank of lieutenant general of the fleet, became a member of the military administration assigned to the Putilov plant. Krylov recalled that when the military took the cash from the former board of directors, only one ruble turned out to be in it. The severity of the situation was that the next day the payment of salaries to 20 thousand factory workers and employees was to take place. In case of delay, according to Krylov, riots would inevitably begin. It would have taken several days to receive this amount from the state treasury in compliance with all formalities. Then Krylov managed to take control of the situation, demanding from the chief state inspector (there was such a position) either an immediate receipt of cash, or sending two fully equipped divisions with a total number of 20 thousand bayonets to the plant. As a result, the money was received, and the revolution at the end of 1916 did not take place.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5b1e89aac3321bddc7a05a0b/za-chto-svergli-nikolaia-ii-5bba589a374f9d00abf49453
But at the same time, Nicholas II did not kill anyone, according to the first desire that arose.

[Ruudi 34]

"Conspiracy theory"? Ay-y-yay ... you are likening the author of the above-written opus ... Not good, sir.
"But at the same time Nicholas II did not kill anyone without trial, at the first desire that arose" - is this not a sign of "weakness"? The people do not care how order will be restored, right?

[Koshnitsa]

But Hitler killed and put things in order, and Trotsky killed Pol Pot too.
You, Rudy34, somehow do not really vomit for them.

[andrew42]

"Nikolai (the Second) .. pressed hard .." - this is nonsense. Maybe he really pressed something to himself, but I hope not very much - you always regret someone else's pain. In the novel "Odysseus Leaves Ithaca" about Nicholas II the Great Martyr it is said succinctly and beautifully - "he worked as the last Russian emperor." You can't say more precisely. The result is appropriate. Personal outcome - well, it could have been different, less cruel, but no less stupid.

[Koshnitsa]

Was Nikolai 2 the first to be cruel?
Well, and what was his cruelty manifested in?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Koshnitsa

Was Nikolai 2 the first to be cruel?
Well, and what was his cruelty manifested in?

Truly true words. 20-50x is not even close to Bolshevik terror. I would say that the last emperor of Russia was extremely gentle and too kindhearted, which is why he ruined the empire (though in the same way as Louis XVI in France).

[evgeny68]

What nonsense.

[Mcar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

And in the death of Dzhugashvili there is no mystery. He was going to arrange another "purge" of his environment, with a fatal outcome for his environment.

This is not the point, not the "purge". Although, if you think carefully, then there is nothing wrong with purity.

The fact is that Stalin was going to "wean" the party away from the country's leadership. Those. he wanted to leave for the CPSU the function of educator, ideological inspirer, model of morality, worthy example, etc. And the councils should manage production and the country as a whole. This is how, for example, now in Switzerland local councils run everything, referendums are held only slightly less often than Field of Miracles programs and the last word on any issue is always with the local Swiss council.
For the party nomenclature, it was like a sickle in ... rating. This means that you yourself must be a model, an ideological inspirer, those who lead and to whom they align. And this is colossal work on oneself. For example, Khrushchev did not even read fiction books, not to mention other literature.

This is the main reason why the assassination of Stalin became a vital necessity for high-ranking Trotskyists, wreckers and unfinished enemies of the people.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: McAr

This is not the point, not the "purge". Although, if you think carefully, then there is nothing wrong with purity.

In purity, and not in the mass murder of associates due to paranoia. Party officials also wanted to live, and the "doctors' case" clearly showed what awaited them.

[Ruudi 34]

The soldier in the trenches of the First World War also wanted to live .... and escape, without thinking about "faith, tsar, fatherland" .... and Raseyushka collapsed ... what has changed?

[andrew42]

Such "comrades-in-arms" as Tukhachevsky, Yakir, short-lived Latvians, and the same Khrushch - the Ukrainian butcher - would you also have to feel sorry for them during the purges? At a minimum, you need to allow the snake to bite your tail, this time. Secondly, evil annihilates itself - let's not violate the laws of the universe.

[Olgovich]

Quote: McAr

The fact is that Stalin was going to "wean" the party away from the country's leadership. Those. he wanted to leave to the CPSU the function of educator, ideological inspirer, model of morality, worthy example, etc. And the councils should manage production and the country as a whole.

Did you have a seance with the leader?

Quote: McAr

This is the main reason why the killing of Stalin became a vital necessity for high-ranking Trotskyists, pests and unfinished enemies of the people.

Name them.
And also, list the non-Trotskyists, the faithful, ts. "Stalinists". By surname. From the "highest", naturally, the clip. And we will check WHAT they said at congresses and plenums about the personality cult

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

The fact is that Stalin was going to "excommunicate" the party from the country's leadership.

Where did you get that you were going?

Where did you get the idea that the party was leading a "country" (a country is a territory, it is impossible to lead a territory; a state is an organization that can be led)?

And councils should manage production, and the country as a whole

And they did not lead?

The Supreme Council (and before it the Congress of Soviets) was not the highest organ of state power?

This is the main reason why the killing of Stalin became a vital necessity.

Stalin, at the time of his death, was 74 years old, and the average life expectancy of men in the 53rd year was 62 years - what murder?

[Mcar]

Quote: Claymore

Where did you get that you were going?

You can’t tell in a nutshell. It is intelligible - footcloth will turn out more article.
Found shorter, if you still find out more interesting than trolling, then please:
http://litresp.ru/chitat/ru/П/pazin-mihail-sergeevich/strasti-po-vlasti-ot-lenina-do-putina/26

Quote: Claymore

Where did you get the idea that the party led the "country"

So from your own memories. What's the problem? Is not it so?
Didn't they demanded from the regional and regional committees "to fulfill and overfulfill"? Weren't there idiotic instructions "to sow to that date" from the party rostrum? Despite the fact that the spring is protracted and the earth has not warmed up.

Quote: Claymore

And they did not lead?

I meant local advice from production - factories. Those in the late USSR were no longer there.
If your interest is not idle, then I recommend watching "How Soviet Power Works? Professor Popov":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCREOrf8g4

Quote: Claymore

Stalin, at the time of his death, was 74 years old, and the average life expectancy of men in the 53rd year was 62 years - what murder?

You obviously do not know the circumstances of Stalin's death.
No matter how old he was. The circumstances are such that even a two-year-old second-year investigator who graduated from a 5-year university in 10 years will understand at a glance that EVERYTHING is unclean here.

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

Found shorter

Your "shorter" is a set of myths in which Stalin is declared the head of the USSR.

Thus, your "knowledge" in this matter is based on myths spread by people who do not have even a superficial understanding of the structure of the legal system and the system of state leadership in the USSR.

So from your own memories. What's the problem?

The problem is that any political party is a public organization, and the state is governed by public authorities.

Did not the regional and regional committees demanded "to fulfill and overfulfill

Do you run to fulfill / overfulfill if you are required to do so from the EP branch?

I meant local advice from production - factories. Those in the late USSR were no longer

The conversation is not about the late USSR, but about the "Stalinist" one.

If your interest is not idle, then I recommend watching "How Soviet Power Works? Professor Popov"

Perhaps I will not listen to the ravings of this revisionist.

You obviously do not know the circumstances of Stalin's death.
No matter how old he was

In the 53rd, Stalin was a deep old man (which as hinted by be).
Failure to help him is not a murder (different elements of a crime)

[Mcar]

What year are you born?

[Claymore]

Save me from the demagogic polemics of the series "you have not lived - therefore you do not know."


The state is organized and managed through the legal system, the expression of which is the legal acts.

Therefore, open the constitutions of the 18th and 36th year and read the sections on public authorities, trying to find a mention of the party in them.

[Mcar]

Quote: Claymore

Save me from the demagogic polemics of the series "you have not lived - therefore you do not know."

Yes there would be a hunt!
You just ask questions ... not adults. From the questions it is clear that you are young and do not have the slightest idea about the subject of discussion. And besides, you don’t want to hear answers. Feel proud and nothing more.

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

You just ask questions ... not adults. From the questions it is clear that you are young and do not have the slightest idea about the subject of discussion.

Well, yes, yes ...

The reason for my questions was your unsubstantiated allegations, and you were unable to answer these questions.

You do not have a single fact saying that the party was ruled by economic activity or the state, there are no facts confirming the speculation about Stalin’s desire to remove the party from anything, and there is no algorithm that can explain how Stalin could implement what was declared under the conditions of demcentralism and collegial leadership .


ZY
Open article 126 of the 36th year’s constitution, look at the party’s status and don’t retell these conspiratorial fantasies about removing the party from power.

[Mcar]

Quote: Claymore

You do not have a single fact saying that the party was ruled by economic activity or the state, there are no facts confirming the speculation about Stalin’s desire to remove the party from anything, and there is no algorithm that can explain how Stalin could implement what was declared under the conditions of demcentralism and collegial leadership .

There are facts, there are algorithms, everything is there. Only not everyone is able to see them even with an armed eye.

The biggest problem of the country, which was even more aggravated after the end of World War II, was a kind of “dual power”. According to the Constitution of 1924 (and 1936), all power belonged to the Soviet bodies, but in fact, all were controlled by party bodies, led by the Politburo. This was more or less tolerant during the years of the civil war and during the threat of foreign intervention, when members of the party leadership were vitally interested in successfully overcoming all the difficulties of the young Soviet state, creating a powerful army and industry. Party leaders were fully responsible for the success of socialist transformations. And this responsibility was not limited to the danger of “simply” resigning. The victory of the counter-revolution would inevitably lead to the physical elimination of the leaders of the Bolsheviks, and just shooting for them would have been a worthy result, many of them could have expected not just death, but a painful death - the example of Sergey Lazo, burned in a firebox, clearly testified to this. Under these conditions, "dual power" was justified and effective. Soviet bodies, industry leaders did their job, and they were supervised and looked after by party officialswho, under the influence of threats to their lives, could not indulge in red tape, bureaucracy and idleness.

However, the situation changed after the international recognition of the USSR, after its successes in industrialization, the creation of its own powerful army, especially after the victory in the Great Patriotic War. Now communism and the communists have gained great authority throughout the world, as the main force that destroyed fascism. Now the life threat to those party leaders who would have overwhelmed the business entrusted to them has disappeared from the side of the affair itself (as it was during the years of the Civil War). There remained a threat from the authorities, led by Stalin, but the mutual guarantee and solidarity of partocrats helped to cope with this threat.

Also by themselves party leaders only dealt with control, not real workas the leaders of industrial enterprises - members of the "new team of Stalin." Stalin, as head of state, could easily control the work of industry — but how could the controllers — party officials — be controlled? Previously, they were controlled by fear of the victory of the counter-revolution or the arrival of the Germans, which promised all communists death. And now, after the victory in the Great Patriotic War, the communist began to be profitable and safe. Along with eliminating the threat to the well-being of party officials from the side of the matter, the responsibility of these officials for what they did has also disappeared. To get into the party, into the ranks of controllers, who themselves do not need to do anything, but only lead others, has become a cherished dream of a mass of crooks and careerists. There was only one way to counter them. - And Stalin inevitably came to his realization. It was necessary, as he had dreamed earlier, to turn the party into the “Order of the Swordsmen”, to take away the opportunity for party members to rest on their laurels, to remove it from the temptations of political power. If there is no “carrot”, but there is only hard work to propagate communist ideas, there is no need to protect the party from the invasion of crooks and careerists.

It was precisely on such a removal of the party from state power, on focusing on work on agitation and propaganda, on work that was not supposed to bring any dividends in the form of beautiful posts, on the possibility of not being responsible for any real business, and Stalin's reforms, voiced by him, were directed 19th Congress of the CPSU:

- The party changed its name from VKP (b) to the CPSU. What was the difference? Before the dissolution of the Comintern in 1943, the inscription on the title page of the party card was: "VKP (b) - section of the Communist International." This meant that the Communist Party is extraterritorial and is only the Russian section of the world Comintern. The new name tightly bound the party to the state, the party became, as it were, a structural unit of the USSR.

- Politburo was abolished not only in fact (in the early 50s it already performed a purely nominal function - Stalin, as the head of the government, decided most of the issues with his deputies), but also legally - instead of a compact omnipotent body of the party, it turned into the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, a body consisting of two dozen people and, therefore, incapable of operational leadership of the country.

- Stalin liquidated unity of command in the party - did what he wanted to do back in 1927. The post of general secretary was abolished, and 10 people became secretaries of the Central Committee. Moreover, together they did not form any body, but simply all 10 entered the Presidium, in which, again, according to the Charter, there was no chairman, no one was in charge. The fact is that one-man management is necessary for good management of the organization, so that it has responsible leaders, so that the whole organization is strong. But unity of command prevents discussions, the search for truths. And the search for truths, the agitation and propaganda of communism - this is exactly what Stalin was going to aim at the "Order of the Swordsmen" - the party of communists.

- The composition of the Bureau was determined in 25 members and 11 candidates (having an advisory voice). Compared with the 9-11 members of the Politburo, this turned out to be a very polyphonic collective farm. However, one should not think that Stalin did not understand what he was doing. Most of these 25 people were not party, but statesmen, who in the world were subordinate to the Chairman of the Council of Ministers and, accordingly, to the Supreme Council. Thus, the power in the party passed from the party nomenclature to the Soviet power (strictly speaking, its nomenclature).

- Being consistent in eliminating unity of command in the party, Stalin tried to resign from the post of Secretary of the Central Committee for old age and filed a corresponding application with the Central Committee. But the party nomenclature understood that without a leader as the head of the party (even a nominal one, one of the 10 secretaries of the Central Committee - if only it were Stalin), the party would immediately be removed from the levers of state power, so they made a complete obstruction to this attempt by Stalin. Here is what, according to the memoirs of Konstantin Simonov, was the reaction when Stalin asked to put on the vote the question of relieving him of the post of Secretary of the Central Committee for old age: “... on Malenkov’s face I saw a terrible expression - not that it’s a fright, no, not a fright, but an expression that a person can have, more clearly than all the others or more clearly, in any case, many others who realized the mortal danger that hung in everyone over their heads and which others have not yet realized: one cannot agree to this request of Comrade Stalin, one cannot agree that he resign from himself this one, the last of his three powers, is impossible. Malenkov’s face, his gestures, his expressively upraised hands were a direct prayer to all those present immediately and resolutely to refuse Stalin's request. And then, drowning out the words already heard from behind Stalin’s back: “No, please stay!” or something like that, the hall buzzed with the words “No! No! Please stay! Please take your request back! ”

That was the essence of the reforms proposed by Stalin at the 19th Congress of the CPSU (B.). By proposing and implementing these reforms, Stalin made only one mistake - he could not insist on his immediate dismissal from the post of Secretary of the Central Committee, with full clarity, however, outlining his future intentions. Now the nomenclature remained the only way out of the situation - Stalin was obliged to die as Secretary of the Central Committee, as leader of the party and the whole country. In the event of such a death, his successor as secretary of the Central Committee would automatically be the leader of the country in the eyes of the people, and the media concentrated in the hands of the Central Committee would quickly try to make the successor brilliant - they would consolidate him in the consciousness of the population as the leader of the whole people.

The fact that, by killing Stalin, the nomenclature killed the decisions of the 10th Congress of the CPSU, is evident from how quickly it, amending the Charter, eliminated everything that was done in the Charter by Stalin. He was still breathing when the party nomenclature reduced the Presidium to 5 people, restoring the Politburo under this name. Reduced the number of secretaries to 5 and appointed the Secretary of the Central Committee Khrushchev as the "coordinator" among the secretaries. After XNUMX months, Khrushchev was appointed First Secretary (leader of the party), and the press rushed to praise "dear Nikita Sergeevich." Moreover, the partyocrats were not very shy about their intentions to kill Stalin: the Secretary General of the Albanian Communist Party Enver Hoxha wrote an article on the centenary of the birth of Stalin. And she gives here such testimony: "... Mikoyan himself admitted to me and Mehmet Shekh that he and Khrushchev planned to commit an attempt on Stalin, but later, as Mikoyan assured, they abandoned this plan."

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

There are facts, there are algorithms, everything is there. Only not everyone is capable

"Not everyone is capable" is idle talk. Any facts? - present them for everyone to see.

The biggest problem ... was a kind of "dual power"

What facts indicate the presence of dual power?

State management is carried out by issuing legally binding state regulations.

Has the party issued such acts? - show at least 1.

but in fact, everything was ruled by party bodies, led by the Politburo

How did you define it, how was this "facticity" expressed?

What in the existing context does the phrase "in fact, all were ruled by party bodies" mean, if in public administration the concepts legally and practically always coincide, the administration itself is carried out through legislative activity, and the imposition of non-state orders (as well as non-compliance with state orders) is a crime?

Do you generally realize that up to this point not a single fact has been cited in this long copy-paste of yours, and that the content of the copy-paste itself completely repeats the mythology of the times of perestroika, which also asserts that the party ruled everything?

This was more or less tolerant during the years of the civil war ... However, the situation changed after the international recognition of the USSR ... Stalin, as head of state ...

In this hefty passage, I see a narrative - a certain story is told here, but the facts confirming that events developed in this way are not given.

Moreover, it is alleged here that Stalin was the head of state, and this is frank nonsense.
The head of state is always a post, or an authority endowed with the functions and powers specific to the head of state (namely, the definition of state policy, the adoption and enactment of laws, the adoption of credentials of foreign ambassadors, state awards, etc. )

Stalin, on the other hand, never held the post of head of state (since leadership in the USSR was collegial) and was never a member of the body that was the head of the USSR (Presidiums of the CEC and the Supreme Council) - Stalin's highest state post was the Chairman of the Government (the essence of the Prime Minister )

Thus, the individual who wrote the "footcloth" you copied has not the slightest idea about the structure of the state administration system of the USSR and stupidly repeats the perestroika myths in which Stalin is called the head of state (even Khrushchev did not call Stalin the head of the USSR - these are nonsense of the perestroika period)

Stalin liquidated unity of command in the party — he did what he wanted to do back in 1927. The post of general secretary was abolished

Another nonsense.

1 The Secretary General and the 1st Secretary are different names for the head of the secretariat of the Central Committee (you can see the secretary and the secretariat in the dictionary).

2 The party never had one-man management - it always existed under conditions of democratic centralism (you can see what demcentralism is in the dictionary).

The composition of the Bureau was determined in 25 members and 11 candidates [/ b] (with an advisory vote). Compared with the 9-11 members of the Politburo, this turned out to be a very polyphonic collective farm

And a "polyphonic collective farm" = dilution of the group with new members (this is a variant of personnel rotation, and not a way of removing them from the imaginary management of economic activity).

Thus, the copy-paste text is a combination of conspiracy theories, speculation and perestroika myths - there is not a single fact in it that indicates that the party had state power and led economic activity, that Stalin wanted to remove the party from power and economic activity, and that Stalin had the opportunity remove the party from anything.

[Mcar]

Quote: Claymore

Not everyone is capable "- this is idle talk. Are there facts? - present them for all to see.

What is this idle talk? Specifically, you are not able to see the obvious (visible through the eyes). Or pretend not to see. And most likely you are trolling.

Quote: Claymore

What facts indicate the presence of dual power?

State management is carried out by issuing legally binding state regulatory legal acts.

Are we talking about some France and Italy, or about the USSR?

Governance happened in 1928. And collectivization began. Question: who initiated this process, and then led it?
The government took place in 1930. And local excesses ceased. The question is: who initiated this process by writing "Dizziness with Success"?
Governance happened in 1931. And industrialization began. Question: who initiated this process, saying: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We have to cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we will be crushed ..."?

I can go on for a long time. Is the idea clear? Or peas against a wall?

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

What is this idle talk?

Traditional for the near-communist conspiratorial fraternity.

Specifically, you are not able to see the obvious.

Specifically, I am not able to see non-existent.

The congress mentioned in copy-paste was - this is a verified fact.
Stalin proposed transforming the Politburo into the Presidium and expanding its composition (which was done) - this is also a fact.
Immediately after Stalin's death, the new members were removed from the Presidium, and the presidium itself was transformed back into the Politburo - this is also a fact.

There are no other facts in the copy-paste, and the above 3 facts do not in any way confirm the speculation that the party was stealing something, and Stalin was going to stop it and had such an opportunity.

The only thing indirectly indicated by these 3 facts is an anti-Soviet conspiracy within the Central Committee, the possible presence of which explains the proposal for the introduction of new persons into the leadership (dilution of a group of conspirators by new persons = reducing the influence of this group on the party).

Everything else set forth in copy-paste is bullshit, consisting of perestroika myths and speculations of the author.

Are we talking about some France and Italy, or about the USSR?

Good question.

I am now talking about the USSR, in which power belonged to the working people in the person of the Soviets of Workers' Deputies (Stalin, by the way, argued that this was exactly so).

You are pushing me about some kind of Mordor, who, contrary to the law, was ruled by a non-governmental body consisting of a small group of people and headed by Stalin (such a group, which represents the power of a few, is called an oligarchy).

Thus, I'm talking about the USSR, in which the Soviets exercised power (which was a true democracy), while you describe the "USSR" in which the oligarchy headed by Stalin (exactly the same thing since perestroika has been claimed by anti-Sovietists of all stripes).

So whose mill do you pour water on?

Governance happened in 1928

Governance does not happen, but is carried out without interruption.

collectivization began. Question: who initiated this process, and then led it?

The initiator and developer of collectivization was the party.
For consideration of the authorities, the collectivization program was introduced by party members who are deputies of the Supreme Council.
The Supreme Council and its Presidium corrected and approved the program.
The collectivization was led by the Council of People's Commissars.

The government took place in 1930. And local excesses ceased. The question is: who initiated this process by writing "Dizziness with Success"?

Journalists raised a fuss over excesses in the police departments of Kazan, which resulted in the death of a man who put a bottle in his anus. After the hype, the excesses stopped throughout the Russian Federation.
The question is - which of the journalists who raised the fuss leads the Russian Interior Ministry?

The question is: who initiated this process by saying: “We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries.

See the description of collectivization above - the algorithm is the same.

I can go on for a long time

Or maybe you do not need to continue to rave?

[Mcar]

Quote: Claymore

Specifically, I am not able to see non-existent.

Understandably - peas against the wall.

You, citizen, see nothing at all.

What is a political party? You can find a lot of definitions, but the shortest is: The party is the vanguard of the class.
And what is avant-garde? This is an advanced detachment, after which the bulk moves.
What was the ruling class in the USSR? The class of workers and peasants.
Therefore, it is clear to any non-idiot that the leading and controlling body in the USSR was RCP (b) = VKP (b) = CPSU. In all speeches it sounded something like this:
"Under the leadership of the Party and the Government ..."
"By the decision of the Party and the Government ..."
Etc.
This link between "party and government" was obligatory. Nowhere will you find it like this "Under the leadership of the Government ...".

You, a citizen, have no idea how and what happened in the USSR. Build stupid conclusions on the basis of sources drawn from modern, mainly anti-Soviet, sources.

You can think of anything and remain with your ignorant opinion. I’m not ashamed of you - I didn’t do you, it’s not for me to remake.

[Claymore]

Quote: McAr

You citizen see nothing at all

You have some sort of feminine manner of expressing yourself with meaningless statements.

What is a political party? You can find a lot of definitions, but the shortest one is: Party is the vanguard of the class

We open TSB and read:

"THE POLITICAL PARTY is a political organizationexpressing interests public class or its stratum, uniting their most active representatives and guiding them in achieving certain goals and ideals "

Open the encyclopedic dictionary and read:

"THE POLITICAL PARTY is a political organizationexpressing interests social groupsuniting their most active representatives "

We open article 3 of the law on political parties and read:

"A political party is public association created for the purpose of participation of citizens of the Russian Federation in the political life of society through the formation and expression of their political will, participation in public and political actions, in elections and referenda, as well as in order to represent the interests of citizens in government bodies and local governments.
Political party is kind public organization as an organizational and legal form of legal entities "

Thus, any definition comes down to the fact that a political party is a public organization (this is the shortest definition)

What was the ruling class in the USSR? The class of workers and peasants.
Therefore, it is clear to any non-idiot that the leading and controlling body in the USSR was RCP (b) = VKP (b) = CPSU

2 things are clear to any non-idiot.

1 Workers and peasants are 2 different classes.

2 A political party, which is a public organization, leads part of societywhich represents and carries out public control (including control of state authorities).
But she does not lead the state and does not exercise state control - this is the responsibility of state authorities, which are created for this.

"This link between the" party and the government "was obligatory. Nowhere will you find it like this" Under the leadership of the Government ... ".

The state exists according to the rules that are established not by speeches from the television, but by laws and by-laws that were issued in the USSR by the Supreme Council, its Presidium and the government.

And although there are a number of resolutions jointly with the party, the principle of seniority "from more significant to less significant" is always preserved in their names, the party is always mentioned last, and state regulations that the party would issue independently do not exist at all (independent acts were issued only Sun, its Presidium and government).

Build stupid conclusions on the basis of sources drawn from modern, mainly anti-Soviet, sources

You are not original - I often hear this from amateurs who do not have the slightest idea about the law and organization of the state.

I’m not ashamed of you - I didn’t do you;

Are you not ashamed?

[Koshnitsa]

Quote: Claymore

Therefore, open the constitutions of the 18th and 36th year and read the sections on public authorities, trying to find a mention of the party in them.

These are just pieces of paper.
Nothing meaningful.
The usual trick for the ribs.

[Claymore]

Can you prove it? )))

[Koshnitsa]

And this is a well-known fact.
There is no need to prove anything.

[Claymore]

So you can’t. )))

[atos_kin]

Quote: McAr

This is the main reason why the killing of Stalin became a vital necessity.

There was another equally important reason: Comrade Stalin untied the economy of the future socialist community and countries trading with it from the dollar, which drove imperialism into the grave. The Anglo-Saxons could not forgive him.

[Mcar]

Quote: atos_kin

There was another equally important reason: Comrade Stalin untied the economy of the future socialist community and countries trading with it from the dollar, which drove imperialism into the grave.

That's right!
There was a whole bunch of reasons / motives for killing Stalin.

But still, it seems to me, the removal of the party from governing the country is the main reason.
The party nomenclature lost all privileges at once, and even had to do what it could not or had not learned.

[Koshnitsa]

Your words would be yes to the ears of Soviet people who died of starvation under Stalin.
That would be sincerely glad.

[andrew42]

Chet shamanic does not sprinkle, and bun does not crunch. If the “West” has no masters, how do they survive at all, poor fellows? Self-regulating democracy is not to be offered. For its final stage - absolutism coupled with religious dogmatism, and then - scrapping. So it was, is and will be.

[Machito]

Only when everyone dies, only then will the Big Game end. R. Kipling.

[Vend]

Quote: Puncher

Eka suffered that in the morning ..

It seems not spring, but an aggravation on the face. This is no longer cured

[Lieutenant Teterin]

So for the author it does not depend on the season. The panegyrics of the USSR of the 30s - 50s and Dzhugashvili personally he constantly sings. Interspersing them with absolutely fantastic tales about the "Empire of the Slavs-Rus" (or in some other way it is called by him).

[Ptolemy Lag]

What is your nationality, uncle?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Russian, "nephew".

[just exp]

you put quotes in the wrong word.
the first was necessary.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

And you with us, I’ll take a look, an expert on the national question? Then how soon will you begin to get the turtles and calculate the percentage of blood?

[just exp]

in, finally stopped hiding, otherwise everything is "I'm Russian, I'm Russian."
we know such Russians.
"we gussky dgug dguga do not deceive"

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

Finally he stopped hiding, and then everything "I am Russian, I am Russian."
we know such Russians.

Do not carry nonsense. I am a Russian person, ethnically and culturally. And you will have to accept this fact and come to terms with it, regardless of all your discontent.

[just exp]

Yes, but Chikatilo said that he was not a maniac.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

and chikatilo said that he was not a maniac.

And you, I’ll take a look, have you personally met him?

[just exp]

No, but how can you confirm that Russian?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: just explo

and how can you confirm that Russian?

Does nationality matter to you in multinational Russia?

[just exp]

for me yes. and what?
the titular nation, after all, is not the point.
someone called himself Russian, I think that he at least ruins, the question is - are these really my problems?
called himself a cargo, show mushroom passport.

[Gardamir]

I am Russian, ethnically and culturally

Why didn’t the Slavic Russians please you? And why the Russian Empire is not the same with the Union. The Union did not have that admiration for the West, which is now in Russia.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Gardamir

Why didn’t the Slavic Russians please you?

The fact that this is a fictional ethnicity. Like "proto-ukrov".

Quote: Gardamir

And why the Russian Empire is not the same with the Union.

Because these are different states. With different elites, culture and administrative-political structure.

Quote: Gardamir

The Union did not have that admiration for the West, which is now in Russia.

Something is not noticeable this admiration. On the contrary, everything is all about sanctions, but they talk about "radioactive ash."

[Gardamir]

fictional ethnicity

for example, but Kievan Rus was also invented and everyone believes nothing. Adoration is the Americanization of language and traditions. The chatter about the sanctions is needed so that the slaves believe in the patriotism of the barons

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Gardamir

about Kievan Rus, also invented and everyone believes nothing

I would not say that it was invented. Chronicles remained from Kievan Rus, cities, mentioned in them and other traces of material culture, remained.

Quote: Gardamir

worship is the Americanization of language and traditions.

I didn’t notice this. But, however, people are different and pay attention to everything in different ways. Maybe there is such a phenomenon, I will not argue.

[Gopnik]

Quote: just explo

we know such Russians.
"we gussky dgug dguga do not deceive"

Of course we know, they made a revolution and organized terror against the Russian people

[Detective]

From the very first words - Great Russia (USSR) the authorship of the article is beyond doubt! Why not the Great Ukrainian SSR (USSR)? Or then the Great BSSR ... Well, okay. Nobody knows! But Samsonov won't tell! The co-prosperity project and the socialist camp, which co-prospered at the expense of the USSR, is probably good for the socialist camp! But in the USSR itself, very soon after 1945, about which Samsonov writes, there was a famine. Largely thanks to all-round assistance to the prosperous socialist camp completely at the expense of its population! The capitalist world of sharks and predators - slave-owners Samsonov basically represents word for word with the curriculum of the Soviet secondary school and not the senior classes - here I am not arguing! Sharks of course are! And about the third world tearing off the shackles in the hope of looking at the country illuminating the path of socialism to everyone, we also went through the Soviet school. Due to him, this 3 world of the USSR really expanded its spheres of influence and free of charge, that is, it actually threw money into this world, as well as into the socialist camp, money, machines, machine tools and other equipment ... earned and produced by ordinary Soviet citizens! Well, further along Samsonov, the West zombified the children of the Soviet elite, killed the leader of the Russian (!!!!!) people Stalin and, with the help of the continuous traitors that arose later, staged a complete Russophobia and destroyed the USSR in an effort to arrange a mafia-slave system on the planet ... with such a simple semi-fantastic interpretation of the events of our history one could of course just smile but! For a long time they have been trying to impose on us the idea that the USSR is Russia, despite the fact that it was the RSFSR that consumed most of all for some reason incomparably less than all other republics except Belarus, with which they worked together for the entire Union, like the USSR for the entire socialist camp! What kind of metropolitanate is it that turns out that only gives and does not need anything? Anti-Sovietism is not equal to Russophobia - criticism of any state formation, even its extreme forms, are not equal to hatred specifically towards the Russian people! Thanks to people like Samsonov, the same former "brotherly" peoples are now hanging repressions and deportations and much more on us, Russians and Russia ... It turns out we are with you - the Russians arranged everything that was bad in the USSR! And so, over the 70 Soviet years, they got used to the fact that we must share with everyone around us, but they only demand from us that they are now looking at us with undisguised anger - what kind of benefit and interest can these Russians have ?! Maybe it will be so - get used to it and you Samsonov too! Otherwise, it is not noticeable for yourself that you will finally turn into the fifth column of not some mythical 70 - year old Russia - USSR, but a real Great Russia with more than a thousand years of history, unique culture and ancient traditions!

[evgeny68]

who acted in the interests of the global mafia

I would add, in the interests of the global Jewish Masonic mafia.

[Lantau]

Stalin is not a thing of the past. He dissolved in the future. Charles de Gaulle

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Lantau

He dissolved in the future

Now it is bubbling to the surface exuding miasma, of which there are still enough lovers ...

[just exp]

Yes, we see by the registration date that you are a good Mr. from the US State Department, we are broadcasting the truth to the womb.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: just EXPL

Yes, we see by the registration date that you are a good Mr. from the US State Department, we are broadcasting the truth to the womb.

Do you regret that there is no article in the Criminal Code "For insulting the feelings of the Stalinizing"?
So declare him a god, like Kuzyu and register a church, then it will be possible to sum up article 148 ...

[just exp]

what for ? because you can simply return the article for sodomy and all liberals can already be legally imprisoned, and not only in, but also on ....
and I'm talking about prison.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: just explo

you can simply return the article for sodomy and all the liberals can already be legally planted, and not only in, but also on ....

Quote: just explo

and I'm talking about prison

What inclinations you have, it’s not worthwhile to arrange a cuming out at all, they will not appreciate it.

[just exp]

why should I do what I don’t have?
but the fact that liberals sin by this is known to everyone, and those who have more memory than aquarium fish remember the blue scandals BEFORE AND DURING the Maidan.
https://tipaeto.livejournal.com/3174.html
enlighten. and look at your fellow workers.

[andrew42]

It would be nice to return the article. The "cleansing" of the power structures, which some here so vilify, would be half automatic :) There would remain pure thieves by vocation. I have already gone to bed.

[BAI]

In general, all anti-Stalinists zealously fulfill Hitler's covenant:

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Another fake poster. It was Dzhugashvili who was actively involved in the fragmentation of the Russian people, actively creating national republics and pursuing a policy of "indigenousization". He was especially active in Ukraine.

[Ptolemy Lag]

What are you smoking?

[Gopnik]

Have you mastered photoshop?

[evgeny68]

There were no pogroms, but burning of the Jews from the bureaucratic elite of the USSR after the revolution with a red-hot iron. For this, they demonize Stalin, although in fact he saved Russia from the fate of the Khazaria, everything went to that. Here is a famous photo of the meeting of the Council of People's Commissars from left to right: Moses Uritsky, Leiba Bronstein-Trotsky, Sverdlov, Apfelbaum-Zinoviev, Feerman and Comrade Mikhail from the Bolshevik Academy in Capri. Oil painting.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

De Gaulle did not say that. The phrase was later attributed to him by the Stalinists.

[BAI]

This is also the Stalinists attributed to Churchill?

From a speech by W. Churchill in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959, on the occasion of the 80 anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin:

“It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials, Russia was headed by the genius and unshakable commander I.V. Stalin. He was an outstanding personality who impressed the cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.
...
Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with a plow, and left it equipped with atomic weapons.

No! No matter what they say about him, history and peoples do not forget such leaders "

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: BAI

This is also the Stalinists attributed to Churchill?

Yes. And there is evidence for that.

The mystery is that none of the authors makes reference to the British publication of Churchill's speech (some only claim to be in the Encyclopedia Britannica).

In the full edition of Churchill's speeches, there is simply no speech for the indicated date.
***
And there was simply no question. The fact is that, as the archivist of the British Parliament pointed out in response to a special request, the last meeting of the British Parliament in 1959 was held on December 17. The next one was only on January 26, 1960. Therefore, on December 21, 1959 no speeches were made in parliament ...
***
But where did this “quote” come from?

It was first published and attributed to Churchill in the sensational article of Stalinist Nina Andreeva, “I Can’t Give Up Principles” (the newspaper “Sovetskaya Rossiya” dated March 13, 1988), and from there went “roaming” about various “patriotic” publications. (There, however, there is no date and place for Churchill's speech to be delivered. It was added later.)

So, literally in the “hot pursuit” of the publication of the article, on April 5, 1988, in the newspaper Pravda, where Andreeva’s article was criticized, it was stated: “In favor of his conception, the author turns to Churchill for support. Note - the panegyric brought by her to Stalin does not belong to Churchill. Something similar - said the famous English Trotskyist I. Deutscher. "

https://rusidea.org/32002

[BAI]

On April 5, 1988, in the newspaper Pravda, where Andreeva’s article was criticized, it was stated: “For the sake of his conception, the author turns to Churchill for support. Note - the panegyric brought by her to Stalin does not belong to Churchill. Something similar - said the famous English Trotskyist I. Deutscher. "

And where is this text of this Deutscher? Thousands of references to Churchill and none to Deutscher. So any source can be "refuted" by inventing your own and calling it the only true one.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

And you, as I understand it, are lazy to follow the link. There are scans of a complete collection of Churchill's speeches, which show that such a speech has never been. And there is a quote from Deitcher’s book. and there is a link to a study that refutes this myth: http://www.hrono.ru/statii/2006/lebed_cherch.php
Please read what you write in the comments before criticizing.

[Olgovich]

Quote: BAI

+2
This is also the Stalinists attributed to Churchill?
From a speech by W. Churchill in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959, on the occasion of the 80 anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin:


Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled dictator in the world. He accepted Russia with a plow, and left equipped with atomic weapons

Every time you "plunge" into quotes from the great about your idols. Churchill did not say this.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Sorry, but you did not specify the source.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Thank you. But this is another matter, and there is not a word about "plow and atomic bomb".

[Olgovich]

Quote: BAI

WINSTON S. CHURCHILL: HIS COMPLETE SPEECHES 1897-1963, Robert Rhodes James, editor, NY: Bowker, 1974, vol. 6, p. 6674

Why do you, liar, do not indicate the FULL link:

(House of Commons speech “War Situation”, September 8, 1942. WINSTON S. CHURCHILL: HIS COMPLETE SPEECHES 1897-1963, Robert Rhodes James, editor, NY: Bowker, 1974, vol. 6., p. 6674)

This speech is from September 42 gode not 59 years and not about any Sokh and bomb, there is not a word.

[BAI]

Well de Gaulle said that, Pierre Kurtad. All the same, the meaning does not change.

[Olgovich]

Quote: BAI

Well de Gaulle said that, Pierre Kurtad.

What is this miracle?

Quote: BAI

All the same, the meaning does not change.

It changes, and even how: imagine that it will be pronounced in the yellow house.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Changing and changing a lot. The petty fry in the French Communist Party and the head of state are all different values. There, in Germany there are neo-Nazis who admire Hitler - this does not mean that their panegyrics to the possessed Fuhrer are true.

[kuz363]

Long live Stalin! Hooray, comrades!

[lucul]

The hosts of the West make the main bet on the “fifth column” in the USSR.

I beg you, let's call things by their proper names - not to the "fifth column", but to the Jews. The former head of NATIV (this is not Yakov Kedmi) did not even hesitate to publish a book. In which he directly indicated that up to 70% of all Jews in the USSR worked for the CIA.

[just exp]

and yes and no, I don’t know how in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but among those liberals I personally know there are not a single Jew, there are Tatars, Russians, one Bashkir, there are no Jews.
and moreover, even the banking clique, which is the essence of the Jews, is also just a tool, they are led by several other people and these are not Jews.

[Xazarin]

I read and feel how powerful indignation boils in my chest! Sleep was lifted! Thanks to the author! I stand under the portrait of the Leader, I sing the Anthem of the USSR. On such as you, Alexander keeps the Russian land! Glory to you!

[Olgovich]

the Western capitalist system can flourish only by robbing and draining resources from other countries and peoples.

The socialist world system could exist only with the robbery and exhaustion of resources from only one Russian people-Russia.

Therefore the socialist camp is fast expanded and strengthened, bringing hope for a brighter future for the peoples of humanity.

While it was being strengthened by Russian gratuitous resources, taken from its own people and a strong rein, it existed. As soon as the brook dried up and the bridle loosened, they all rushed together into the realm of decay. Why?

In the Union in the 1930s succeeded destroy most of the "fifth column" - the Trotskyists, military conspirators,

Destroyed innocent citizens of the country, see decisions of the COURTS of the USSR.

In the Union in the 1930s, managed to destroy Bandera, the Baltic "forest brothers"

What forest brothers, Bandera in the ... 30s, ale?

However, the question was that the “fifth column” is constantly being restored

Why did the Trotskyists continuously restore themselves in immense quantities (under Stalin, Khrushchev, etc.), although they raised precisely ... the Bolsheviks? Why exactly do they continuously shoe and defeat the Bolsheviks?
By the way, no one can name the real Bolsheviks from the top. Because it is possible to take their speeches at congresses and plenums condemning the cult.

Unfinished and newly formed “fifth column” eliminated Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin

They stood at the dying leader-Malenkov, Beria, Khrushchev, Kaganovich, Voroshilov, Mikoyan and Molotov. Poisons, comes out. WHERE are neotraviteli real comrades-in-arms, Bolsheviks ?!

eliminate Stalin's faithful companion - Beria, “the best manager of the XNUMXth century”

Faithful-first opposed the boss after his death

[Same lech]

The socialist world system could exist only with the robbery and exhaustion of resources from only one Russian people-Russia.

And whose system is it now to drive oil gas and other natural resources of Russia abroad and then buys yachts worth the cruiser?
I think radish horseradish is not sweeter.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And whose system is it now to drive oil gas and other natural resources of Russia abroad and then buys yachts worth the cruiser?

A system built by people who were taught from the cradle that "capitalism is when the rich rob their people." The guys grew up and fell for power and began to behave as they were taught.

[Boris55]

Quote: Olgovich

The socialist world system could exist only with the robbery and exhaustion of resources from only one Russian people-Russia.

Under Stalin there was no such system. Even inside the country, all republics lived at their own expense. General expenses were for defense, for all-Union construction projects. With the advent of Trotskyist Khrushchev, all funds began to be concentrated in the center and from there distributed according to the degree of loyalty. For this reason, the social camp turned its back on us and the republic.

Quote: Olgovich

WHERE are neotraviteli real comrades-in-arms, Bolsheviks ?!

Shaw, again !?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

Under Stalin there was no such system. Even inside the country, all republics lived at their own expense. General expenses were for defense, for all-Union construction projects

Oh really? Read about the security of the Georgian SSR during the Second World War. Illusions instantly shatter.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Boris55

Under Stalin there was no such system. Even inside the country, all republics lived at their own expense.

Lying. What for?

Quote: Boris55

WHERE are neotraviteli real comrades-in-arms, Bolsheviks ?!

Shaw, again !?

Where are they?! Surnames are on the table!

[Gardamir]

The socialist world system could exist only with the robbery and exhaustion of resources from only one Russian people-Russia.

This lie was well read in the late 80s. But now there is an opportunity to compare who is actually robbing and draining resources.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Gardamir

This lie was well read in the late 80s. But now there is an opportunity to compare who is actually robbing and draining resources.

You refute this "lie", liar. What, no way?
Still would!.

[apro]

Speaking about such articles, talking about the chosenness or uniqueness of the Russian system is nothing unusual. Russia exists on the basis of the territory's ability to ensure the survival of the population. And these conditions are extremely unfavorable for living. And opportunities to create a sustainable management system. Cultural development of the people. Production extremely limited.
The creation of a supranational, economically self-sufficient Soviet system was faced with the backward Russian and national economic and cultural systems. Considering the time of wars, the construction of the economy, the restoration of the economy, the construction of a developed society was postponed until later. With the departure of IVStalin, it was frozen in dogma.
The transition to a more sophisticated way of life was met with no understanding and opposition from society.
Economically, the USSR broke out into the second economic leader. And the level of cultural development of society did not meet the task.

[Boris55]

Quote: apro

Economically, the USSR broke into the second economic leader

Second? Who told you such a heresy?

The USSR was the first state in the world.
Economy - we had no crises.
Science - the most advanced, the first satellite of the earth, the first man in space.
Education - the best in the world.
Social Protection - the best in the world.

[apro]

Compare the capabilities of the territory of the SGA and the USSR. The production of livelihoods is less expensive.

[Mcar]

Quote: apro

the production of livelihoods is less expensive

Do you mean that in the United States of America (as in Europe) food production is less costly due to more favorable weather and climate conditions?
This is true. However, prices regularly declined (March 1) in our country, in the USSR, and not in America or Europe. There they regularly grew.
And this does not mean at all that Stalin was so kind-hearted and tossed over from the gentleman's shoulder, as they had thrown 5 at a pensioner a couple of years ago. This means that the Stalinist economy was aimed at reducing the cost of final products.

Few people know, but by the middle, the end of the 60's, Stalin planned to abolish money within the country altogether. The working day according to Stalin's plans should be 6, and then 5 hours a day. Well, isn't that a motive for killing?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

Economy - we did not have crises.

There can be no crises in a planned economy, because it is in a permanent state of overproduction of some goods and a deficit of others.

Quote: Boris55

Science is the most advanced, the first satellite of the earth, the first man in space.

Cosmic achievements were still based on the tsarist mathematical scientific school, but there was a complete failure outside the mathematical sciences: history is extremely ideologized, sociology is absent as a class, philosophy has been driven into the framework of Marxist dogmas, chemistry was purely applied, even the study of transuranic elements was nothing medicine stably lagged behind the western one.

Quote: Boris55

Education is the best in the world.

Yeah. The same thing in the late USSR, the "educated" population believed in charging water on television, believed Fomenko and Co., fell into astrology and fortune-telling.

Quote: Boris55

Social protection is the best in the world.

Tell it to collective farm workers.

[Lantau]

In tsarist Russia, everything was fine ... I have no doubt about it !!! Tell me, are the Japanese fools?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Tell me, why do you provide links to non-existent people?
This nonsense was invented by Yu. Mukhin,

in his newspaper "Duel", where he attributed it to the imaginary and, of course, never existed in reality "Japanese billionaire Heroshi Takawama." Today I came across this rubbish again in the form of the above picture. So, about the picture. In the picture, Mukhinskaya false citation is already attributed to a certain "Hiroshi Teramachi, founder of Toho Seiko CO", with the attachment of a photographic portrait.

Now the facts. The photo, which reads "Hiroshi Teramachi," actually shows Takemitsu Takizaki, founder and board member of the Kayence Company. See here and here.

As for "Hiroshi Teramachi, founder of Toho Seiko CO", who replaced the mythical "Japanese billionaire Heroshi Takawama", THK does indeed feature a Hiroshi Teramachi as the founder of * Toho Seiko CO., LTD (in 1971), which later (1982) was absorbed by THK Co., the owner of 31.3% of the shares of which by 1991 became the designated Hiroshi Teramachi (see here). All available information about him is limited to the fact that in 1991 he was 67 years old, he owned a fortune of $ 1.5 billion, did not graduate from the university, but registered 800 patents, and loved to read historical biographies and literature on economics. There is no portrait on the net, and even more so, there are no authentic references to sayings in the spirit of Stalinism.

https://denis-polozhaev.livejournal.com/52436.html

That is why you, the Stalinists, always do this: quotes praising your idol or fake or distorted?

[Lantau]

To quote from a live magazine is so cool))) Isn’t it funny?)

[Lieutenant Teterin]

And what LJ did not suit you? The fact that its author conducted an investigation and exposed the myth you carefully cherished?

[Lantau]

Investigation? So Mukhin did not conduct an investigation, but someone blogger Denis did? So?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Yes, you would at least search for information minimally! Have you been banned from Google? Here is a Forbes magazine page with an article about Takemizu Takizaki: https://www.forbes.com/profile/takemitsu-takizaki/#7bfee4f439c0
Take a look and make sure that the photos in the article and on your poster are identical. Mukhin stupidly took and made up a story, then another fanatic stuck a photo of a third-party person to the text, without even thinking to check the information about who he is (which is already an indicator of intelligence)!

[Lantau]

So decide which source to contact .... The blogger Denis or Forbes magazine? But do not tell me why Stalin was recognized as the man of the year in 1939 according to Time magazine?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Lantau

So decide which source to contact .... The blogger Denis or Forbes magazine?

And one source does not contradict another, but, on the contrary, confirms the conclusions of the investigation of another.

Quote: Lantau

But do not tell me why Stalin was recognized as the man of the year in 1939 according to Time magazine?

And a year earlier, the same magazine recognized Hitler as such a person of the year.

[Lantau]

I did not ask about Hitler, I asked about Stalin!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Didn’t it reach you that this magazine takes people to the cover without looking at their real actions?

[Lantau]

Oh how! So the Americans are stupid? You would first read books on this topic, and then draw your conclusions ....

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Lantau

Oh how! So the Americans are stupid?

Your words, not mine.

[Lantau]

The drain is counted ....

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Lantau

The drain is counted ....

Your? Of course.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lantau

Investigation? So Mukhin did not conduct an investigation,

Mukhin must be sorry: the apologist Lysenko and the denier of genetics.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

I agree with you. I’ll add on my own - and it is also necessary to treat it.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

-2
I agree with you. I’ll add from myself - and to treat it is necessary too.

It was inconvenient to speak somehow ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Lantau

In tsarist Russia, everything was fine ... Tell me, are the Japanese fools?

Thanks to Stolypin, his lifestyle was disrupted. He allowed strong business executives to leave the communities and explore the vast expanses of Siberia, while he forbade parasites to be expelled from the communities.

Japan still lives in communities. All firms are like one community working for the benefit of all.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Boris55

Japan still lives in communities. All firms are like one community working for the benefit of all.

You are far behind life - the corporate device in Japan was destroyed already 30 years ago. It’s just too expensive and not effective.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

There can be no crises in a planned economy

I bring to your attention that from yesterday the Duma started approving the country's budget. For those who are not in the know, I translate: The Duma has begun planning our lives for the coming year. All capitalist countries are engaged in exactly the same planning. Check out the poster. It defines what a plan is and how the methods for achieving the final result of the plan under socialism and capitalism differ. Contrasting the sequence of actions with the method of achievement is absurd.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Boris55

the definition of what a plan is and how the methods for achieving the final result of a plan under socialism and capitalism differ.

We remember the differences and well: under socialism:

Under capitalism, go to the store.

[Boris55]

Quote: Olgovich

Remember the differences ...

We remember very well:

[Olgovich]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Olgovich

Remember the differences ...

Yes, yes: by the end of Stalin ONLY DONE the level of consumption for food and clothing 1913 years. Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, 1955

1952, end, Letter from Novocherkassk (Rostov Region):

“There is no more strength to remain silent about the difficult situation in which our Soviet people live. There is nothing. Shops are empty... For eight months now, children have not seen sugar, butter. One bread. True, this is not hunger, but it is impossible to grow a healthy generation on one bread. No vegetables, no cereals - nothing

". From Rostov:

“Near each grocery store are in line a thousand and more people "

A. B. Aristov to Stalin, 1953 “I was in Ryazan. - What is there? Outages? - No, I say, comrade Stalin, not interruptions, but for a long time there is no bread, no oilThere is no sausage. He stood in line with Larionov at 6-7 in the morning, checked. No bread anywhere.

they lived "happily", yes .. And where unhappily, the ubiquitous Trotskyists harmed

[Gardamir]

consumption level

You only need to eat, tell us more about cars in the yards.
Under socialism, man is to man, friend, comrade and brother, and this is true. Under capitalism, man is a wolf to man. And if you were insulted in a Soviet school, like Tolya Chubais, then there is nothing to be proud of.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Gardamir

Under socialism, man is to man, friend, comrade and brother, and this is true.

Come on, stop telling tales. Have you watched Ryazanov's "office romance"? So this is a satire, but a satire on Soviet reality.

[Gardamir]

Did you look at Ryazanov?

I somehow closer "Eternal Call" than Ryazanov's anti-Soviet. And speaking of freedom of speech. Is there a satire in today's Russia?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Gardamir

I feel closer to "Eternal Call"

This is a matter of taste.

Quote: Gardamir

Ryazanov anti-Soviet

Well, I don’t know, the Soviet censors, giving permission to shoot and rent his films, did not see anything anti-Soviet in them.

Quote: Gardamir

Is there a satire in today's Russia?

Of course there is. "Citizen Poet" Efremov, many videos and recordings on social networks.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Gardamir

You should only eat

Will stope eat and give food to the more needy.
And this is enough for you:

Quote: Gardamir

man - to man, friend, comrade and brother

. crow crow is a myth. Yes,.

Quote: Gardamir

Under capitalism, man is a wolf to man.

Traveled all over Europe and only heard the roar of a wolf from all sides

Quote: Gardamir

And if in a Soviet school, offended so there’s nothing to be proud of.

Is it worth yours make problems here?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Gardamir

Under socialism, man is to man, friend, comrade and brother, and this is true. Under capitalism, man is a wolf to man.

Not true - people are on average the same in any era.

[Gardamir]

people on average are the same in any era.

I agree, but write it to those who say that under socialism they only knocked.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

I bring to your attention that from yesterday the Duma started approving the country's budget. For those who are not in the know, I translate: The Duma has begun planning our lives for the coming year.

For those not in the know, the application of planning elements and fully planned economy is VARIOUS things and you can’t compare them.
And the blockhead propaganda poster is not worth watching. He was painted by a dunce, intoxicated by socialist propaganda. It makes no sense for modern "capitalist" countries to "build a slave-owning civilization", because: a) slave labor is ineffective, due to the fact that the slave is burdened by his slave position and works carelessly. b) the development of robotics makes the very concept of slavery meaningless.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

For those who are not in the know, the use of planning elements and a fully planned economy are DIFFERENT things and they cannot be compared.

Although the methods of planning are slightly different, but this is still planning.
- The CPSU Central Committee sets the direction - Putin defines goals.
“The government, what’s over there, is allocating funds for their implementation.
- The Council of People’s Deputies is there, and the Duma is here - they affirm it.
Almost no difference.
The same thing happens in other cap. countries.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Hmm. "A horse has 4 legs. A turtle, too. Horses run, so turtles must run like horses!" - this is your logic. Don't you understand that in the Soviet planned economy, unlike the present one, everything was planned to the smallest detail, including the volumes of production and consumption, and that the Soviet General Plan and the current budget are different things?

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

The general plan and the current budget are two different things?

You are talking about something else. You are talking about the degree of planning. These are slightly different things.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

So I’ve been talking to you about this for two hours!

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

So I’ve been talking to you about this for two hours!

So they would have written that the brainless Trotskyists brought the USSR economy to an absurdity, which led to the destruction of the state.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

So they would have written that the brainless Trotskyists brought the USSR economy to an absurdity, which led to the destruction of the state.

That is, it was the Trotskyists who created the backbone of the planned economy in the USSR in the 30 years ???

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

That is, it was the Trotskyists who created the backbone of the planned economy in the USSR in the 30 years ???

And where does 30? The destruction of the Soviet economy began with the assassination of Stalin and the coming to power of the Trotskyists. Their unbridled greed for profit led to the desire to control everything and everything.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

And where is the 30s?

And despite the fact that the planned nature of this economy was laid just then. You do not leave the topic of discussion. You and I talked about the planned economy, not the mythical "Trotskyists".

[strannik1985]

And despite the fact that the planned nature of this economy was laid precisely then.

The planned economy and the cooperative movement quietly got along with each other. The economy of the USSR was very different at different periods of time.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

And despite the fact that the planned nature of this economy was laid precisely then.

Again!!!
There is always a plan !!!!
What is under capitalism, what is under socialism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The degree of influence of the state, which you are talking about - this is not a plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Yes, you don’t get so nervous. First you figure out what you want to talk about: the degree of influence of the state, the planned nature of the economy or the Trotskyists, to whom you are not indifferent. And please, do not confuse the concept of a planned economy and the state’s definition of economic policy.

[Boris55]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

do not confuse the concept of a planned economy and the definition of economic policy by the state.

State economic policy in our country is determined by Putin in the "May Decrees", in the United States - by Trump. In the USSR - the Central Committee of the CPSU.

The distribution of funds in the budget of countries is nothing more than planning, what to develop and what not, to whom to give and to whom not to give. In the USSR, this fuchsia was carried out by the state plan; today the government and the Duma are engaged in this. The systems are different - the principle is the same.

The state’s penetration into economic relations does not have any relation to the existence of a plan in different social systems - there is always a plan. This is only a blonde at first does, and then thinks.

If even now you do not understand me, then it is not fate.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

In the USSR, this fuchsia was carried out by the state plan; today the government and the Duma are engaged in this. The systems are different - the principle is the same.

Well, if the principle is the same for you ... then what to say - see the comment about the turtle and the horse.

[Mcar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

in the Soviet planned economy, unlike the current one, everything was planned to the smallest detail

And this is already the fruits of the Trotskyists who decided not to wash, so skate the lime, the Soviet power, and the USSR as a country, bringing to the point of absurdity the planned system.
But this was not the whole period of Soviet power. Before Khrushchev there was a place for entrepreneurs and production cooperators, who themselves decided what and how much to produce.

At the time of Stalin's death in the USSR there were 114 (one hundred and fourteen thousand!) workshops and enterprises from a variety of areas - from food processing to metalworking and from jewelry to the chemical industry. About two million people worked for them, who produced nearly 6% of the gross industrial output of the USSR, with artels and industrial cooperation 40% of furniture was produced, 70% of metal utensils, more than a third of all knitwear, almost all children's toys. About a hundred design bureaus, 22 experimental laboratories, and even two research institutes worked in the business sector. Moreover, within the framework of this sector, there was a private, non-state, pension system! Not to mention the fact that the cooperatives provided their members with loans for the purchase of livestock, tools and equipment, and housing construction. This state of affairs continued until 1956, when the artel was officially banned and dispersed for several years.

The first Soviet tube receivers (1930), the first radios in the USSR (1935), the first televisions with a cathode ray tube (1939) were launched by the Leningrad artel Progress-Radio. One of the most prominent features of Brezhnev socialism was the constant shortage of consumer goods. The reason for the deficit in the Brezhnev years is well known: the Soviet industry of that time was state-owned, planned and was not able to respond flexibly to changes in demand. All manufactured goods that were sold in the USSR were manufactured either by the state industry of the USSR or imported from abroad.

In the Stalinist period of time, the situation was completely different. Tens of thousands of promotional cooperatives, hundreds of thousands of artisans worked in the country. All production cooperatives and artisans belonged not to the state, but to the so-called "local industry".

If in Brezhnev’s times, for example, in a certain town there weren’t enough candies, then in order to satisfy demand, it was necessary to make changes to the five-year plans. In the Stalinist USSR, the issue was resolved independently, at the local level. In a month, the city would be filled with handicraft merchants, and in two months, production cooperatives would join them.

In fact, it was Stalin who formed and raised an efficiently working system of entrepreneurship - honest, productive, and not speculative-usurious. And he reliably protected it, both from abuses and corruption of government officials, and from usurious private capital.

Artels and cooperatives inculcate a fundamentally different ethics than ordinary private enterprises, and exploitation of workers is undermined. Workers who are both owners and beneficiaries of the enterprise are an excellent base for the middle class, not just parasitic, but labor.

The cooperatives were exempted from most taxes, the election of their leadership was supported (especially zealous party functionaries who tried to squeeze the cooperatives were put in place). In the besieged Leningrad, artels produced PPS submachine guns, having their own machines, presses, and welding equipment. The Vologda artel "Red Partisan", having begun the production of resin-gum in 1934, by the beginning of the 50s produced three and a half thousand tons, becoming a large production. The Gatchina artel “Jupiter”, which had been producing haberdashery stuff since 1924, in 1944, immediately after the liberation of the Gatchina, made nails, locks, lanterns, shovels, produced aluminum utensils, washing machines, drilling machines and presses in the early 50s.

In 1956, Khrushchev willedly liquidated this powerful sector of the national economy, together with personal plots (which, by the way, under Stalin were up to 1 hectare). Khrushchev decided by 1960 to completely transfer all artel enterprises to the state. The exception was only small artels of consumer services, art crafts, and artels of invalids, and they were forbidden to carry out regular retail trade in their products. Artel property was alienated free of charge. Shareholders lost all contributions, except those that were refundable according to the results of 1956. Loans issued by artels to their members were credited to budget income. The distribution network and public catering enterprises in the cities were alienated free of charge, in rural areas - for a nominal fee. Moreover, material, labor property of the artels, created and accumulated not by financial speculations, property in the form of machine tools, machines and premises, which were often built by the artisans themselves, was selected.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Excuse me, you seem also from the "sect of witnesses of the Trotskyist conspiracy", right? And we could not write a sheet about the artels - you do not have a single source confirming the figures you quoted. I can easily write such an article in half an hour, but this will not mean its truthfulness.

[Mcar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

I can safely write such an article in half an hour

I’m sure you can. And consumer goods? Can you produce hundreds of billions of rubles?

This time. And secondly, what do you mean by truthfulness here? What sources do you need? Photos of goods with trademarks of artels suitable? Or do you mean by the source an article that you liked? Write articulate, if you can, what exactly for you is a source of confirmation about 114 artels destroyed by Khrushchev.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: McAr

Can you produce hundreds of billions of rubles?

You do not confirm the reality of the data on these hundreds of billions - neither monographs, nor reference books, nor archival documents - nothing.

Quote: McAr

Write articulate, if you can, what exactly for you is a source of confirmation about 114 artels destroyed by Khrushchev.

Wrote above.

[Mcar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

You do not confirm the reality of the data on these hundreds of billions - neither monographs, nor reference books, nor archival documents - nothing.

Have you considered the schedule? There in black and gray: CSB USSR.
What else is needed? If there is any doubt, so take it and raise the archive. Independently. And then there will be a reason to put me in a puddle. In the meantime, you are in it, unfortunately.

[andrew42]

Would you rather bother to explain how the planning / management system of the USSR is fundamentally different from a typical transnational corporation? (and these corporations constitute the "western" economy). What, in TNCs branches / sectors / departments compete with each other? - No. Unless, when "protecting the budget" in front of higher-ranking functionaries, who draws a business plan fatter, who cuts, so and funds. And now I will tell you how the USSR differed from the Western TNC, - the main thing it differed, - the profit distribution system.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

the use of planning elements and a fully planned economy-

What about artels?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

The same public facilities as collective farms

It is not, as you say, "a fully planned economy". If it was planned, it is unlikely that the PPP was produced.

[strannik1985]

And to us, in fact, what's the difference? An artel is not created and managed by the state, what else do you need?

[Koshnitsa]

As usual. Artels are better than social property, but less effective than private property.
This is elementary.

[Mcar]

Quote: Koshnitsa

As usual. Artels are better than social property, but less efficient than private property.
This is elementary.

It all depends on the tussock.

If by efficiency we mean the profit of the owner of a private enterprise, then yes - more efficiently. The owner, especially when the unemployment rate is high, can tear off seven skins from the workers: overtime without pay, a system of fines, low salaries, dismissal for any reason as a warning to others, etc. etc. Very effective! For one person - the owner. And it’s completely ineffective for the team and even more for the whole country, for the whole society.

And if by efficiency we mean the benefit for all members of the artel, the increase in their well-being, then no - a private enterprise is extremely inefficient.

Capitalism, starting with etymology and ending with its essence, is a system that destroys itself. Those. destroys everything and everything around - the ecosystem, resources, people ... Moreover, people are destroyed both physically, which is very bad, and morally, even worse.

[strannik1985]

Seriously? And how is the owner of a bread stall more efficient than a bread stall artel?

[Mcar]

Quote: strannik1985

And than the owner of the bread stall is more effective artels bread stall?

There were no "buy-sell" artels in the Stalinist era. There were only production facilities.

But if theoretically ... In an artel a bread stall, the profit would be distributed to all members of the artel, and in a private bread stall the profit remains with the owner, employees of the s / n. The effectiveness of what is meant - the pocket of one or the whole team?

[strannik1985]

In this case, the effectiveness of providing the population with bread and bakery.

[Mcar]

Quote: strannik1985

In this case, the effectiveness of providing the population with bread and bakery.

In this case, all other things being equal, the effectiveness of "providing the population with bread and bakery" is the same.
Or explain how it would be otherwise.

[strannik1985]

So I write about this, in terms of meeting the needs of the population, planned and cooperative enterprises are quietly combined.

[Mcar]

Quote: strannik1985

So I write about this, in terms of meeting the needs of the population, planned and cooperative enterprises are quietly combined.

Sorry, misunderstood.
But then it is not clear why your first question is. I clearly explained how a private trader is "more effective" than an artel. Reread.

[strannik1985]

Is the profit among the members of the artel equally divided?

[Mcar]

Quote: strannik1985

Is the profit among the members of the artel equally divided?

But as?
I don't know for sure, I can only guess. Common sense dictates participation. Those. something like workdays. They are ridiculed by anti-Soviets, and they, workdays, live and prosper all over the world. Especially where the end result is unknown or unpredictable. For example, gold mining. The brigade plows the season for the same notorious "sticks", and as if not under the Soviets. And at the end of the season, according to these "sticks", according to their number, the salary is given.

[strannik1985]

There, from the gross output, for example, the artel produces VP for 300 thousand rubles-s / n of the chairman of the board 600 rubles per month, 10 million-1100 rubles, plus accountant-belt in the 1st belt 375 rubles, 4 350 rubles. per month.

[Gardamir]

slave labor is ineffective

and people who are afraid of losing their jobs are not slaves?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

No, of course, because they have the opportunity to find a new job. And in the modern hyperinformation world, there is still the opportunity to tell a wide circle of people about the dishonesty of the employer and make it difficult for him to hire new workers. I myself know several such cases when employers, to put it mildly, by stupid actions, dug a hole for themselves.

[Gardamir]

there is an opportunity to find a new job

You see, when the Union banged, I was under 30, so I do not believe in your fairy tales. During the years of Putinization of the country, all enterprises in my hometown were destroyed and where to go to work. And in the Union there was a choice.

[andrew42]

Worse than slaves. Money is usually paid for a slave. "And my life is free ..", as Sharik from Prostokvashino used to say.

[Mcar]

Quote: Boris55

Check out the poster.

Wonderful poster! Everything is concise and clear.

However, this is ideal. So, or something like this, was in the Stalinist USSR. Starting from Khrushchev, the party nomenclature began to rot, gradually acquired the status of the untouchables. And turned into a detonator of the destruction of the Union.

[kalibr]

In words, yes, in fact, no.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kalibr

In words, yes, in fact, no.

I understand that as a teacher - you were a hack.

[kalibr]

And you studied with me, yes? Mordovian children from the Mordovian villages that I taught could say this. And so I didn’t seem to deal with Mordovians anymore ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Boris55

The USSR was the first state in the world.

Until 1922, quite a few states were formed and the USSR was not the first state in the world.

Quote: Boris55

Economy - we did not have crises.

Regular hunger sliding into cannibalism.

Quote: Boris55

Science is the most advanced, the first satellite of the earth, the first man in space.

The list of Nobel laureates does not confirm this.

Quote: Boris55

Education is the best in the world.

...the average.

Quote: Boris55

Social protection is the best in the world.

As in places of detention, everyone is guaranteed a padded jacket, boots, hat and soldering balandy.

Of course, if your dad was the chairman of the RIC, then you had something to lose in 1991 ...

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Boris55

The USSR was the first state in the world.
Economy - we did not have crises.

Sorry, but someone misled you. Just about the crises of the social economy modestly silent ...

Quote: Boris55

Science is the most advanced, the first satellite of the earth, the first man in space

Such an advanced one that they overslept the next technological revolution ... And it is interesting - why did such a nasty West achieve results without any jerks, without scumbags, simply by the usual course of things?

Quote: Boris55

Education is the best in the world.
Social Protection - The Best in the World

With education - perhaps the only thing I agree with, but not the best in the world, but one of the best.

The social security system is also partly true, but, let’s say, everything is relative. If we talk about the social security system, I’ll say a terrible thing - in the 30-40 years, for example, the best social security system was not in the USSR and not in Western countries, but in the ... Third Reich ... From which much was copied by the USSR party leaders in the post-war time...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: apro

...... Economically, the USSR broke out into the second economic leader. And the level of cultural development of society did not match the task.

I would say a little differently.
The administrative elite of the USSR, which was after the death of Stalin, did not correspond in terms of its political (or social?) Consciousness (development) to the level of the economy.

[apro]

Quote: Reptiloid

The administrative elite of the USSR

It did not fall from the sky. It inherited all the advantages and disadvantages of the social system of the territory of Russia. The Soviet system of society was not always formed systematically.

[Reptiloid]

It turned out that industrial growth is achieved faster than a steady change in consciousness. Maybe this is some other topic, from psychology or some other science about man and processes in society? That is, when temptations arose, managers began to “row for themselves.” So they came to a catastrophe (as our domestic philosopher Zinoviev called this process)

[Ruudi 34]

Well, of course .... "those who would have reached the power ... lo .." Thank you from Gromyko, Kosygin, Mikoyan ... they did not like jazz and tight trousers, so "would ... lo", right? )))

[kalibr]

Dmitry, you are well done! But you forgot to add that she did not fall from the sky ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

That is, for you, the Russian economy, which showed 7% growth during the Second World War, and Russian culture, which created the world literary, musical, architectural heritage--backward??? Then you are truly Russophobe of the worst sense.

[apro]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

That is, for you, the Russian economy

Sounding the level of consumption of Russia and developed capital countries.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

And for you, the level of the economy is determined solely by the level of consumption? Then I will disappoint you, this concept is also influenced by the level of wages, the quality of goods and services, and much more. And remember, the modern economy of the Russian Federation can hardly be called Russian, because it is built on completely different principles than the economy of Old Russia.

[Ruudi 34]

Economics is the concept of "supranational" .... Karl Marx said. What does "hard to call Russian" mean? Impossible.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Rudi 34

Economy concept "supranational"

Friedrich Liszt looks at these words in bewilderment.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

That is, for you, the Russian economy, which showed 7% growth during the Second World War, and Russian culture, which created the world literary, musical, architectural heritage--backward??? Then you are truly Russophobe of the worst sense.

And where did I say that? What does Russian culture have to do with it? We are talking about the managerial link, after the death of Stalin, who, at the first opportunity, did not stay at the level of socialist society and began to think about personal enrichment.
Nevertheless, your idea, Teterin, is interesting in that at the beginning of the 20th century there was a betrayal by the upper Nicholas2. There was no military commander, no manager, or relative (except his wife) who would be on his side. Desiring to change the king, it was they who brought down everything.
I quoted Plehve's prophetic quote repeatedly about this, maybe there will be time, I will write more.
And Russophobia ---- take a look in the mirror.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Yes, I didn’t tell you this, but wrote to Mr. Apro, don’t be so nervous.

[kalibr]

Even if this is the case, it is not clear why and how people like Gorbachev and others appeared during Soviet upbringing. After all, these are Soviet people ... Born in the USSR. Why is the "fifth column" constantly recovering? Why, knowing this, has not a mechanism been created to suppress its revival. Finally, if we call to good, then why is not our fifth column, which would also lead to good, being restored "there"? Or do you lack the ability to create it, or buy it money, or something else important? Lenin once wrote that you need to admit your lack of culture and go to school for capitalism. So why haven't you learned it yet? Does the mafia also interfere? Around one mafia! How terrible it is to live!

[Boris55]

Quote: kalibr

Even if everything is so, it is not clear why and how, during the Soviet upbringing, such people as Gorbachev and others appeared.

They were always there, only under Stalin they sat behind the baseboard.

The disadvantage of any revolution is the lack of personnel. For this reason, the Bolsheviks had to unite with the Trotskyists, who for the most part took control of the country. On the ground, there were still old-regime managers.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Boris55

They were always there, only under Stalin they sat behind the baseboard.

You are telling a lie, Gorbachev joined the Communist Party in 1952 at the age of 21, before that he had been working as a combine operator since 15, and at the age of 18 he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor! Wow baseboard? Gorbachev is a communist of the post-war Stalinist draft, like many of his associates.
For example, Yakovlev A.N. a front-line soldier who joined the party after a severe wound in 1944, after the war, an instructor in the propaganda department of the Yaroslavl regional party committee, and anyone who was not taken there had to be a Stalinist to the core.
All of Gorbachev’s associates became members of the communist party cleansed and renewed by Stalin.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Puncher

For example, Yakovlev A.N. a front-line soldier who joined the party after a severe wound in 1944, after the war, an instructor in the propaganda department of the Yaroslavl regional party committee, and anyone who was not taken there had to be a Stalinist to the core.

A fittin to the marrow of bones could also be. It is a pity that the German bullet did not find this son of a female dog.

[Servisinzhener]

Your example is very revealing. But many advocate the revival of the ideological-party selection of cadres without paying attention to what kind of people it produced. Gorbachev and Yakovlev are some of the most striking examples, and I would also mention the Komsomol member Khodorkovsky. And after all, there were not a few such "true" ideas of Lenin's party.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Boris55

They were always there, only under Stalin they sat behind the baseboard.

Sorry, Gorbachev and Co. from children's diapers were brought up in communist ideology. October revolution, pioneers, Komsomol members - their whole life was saturated with propaganda. If everything was so beautiful, how could they become what they became?

[Andrey VOV]

Have you been an Octobrist, a pioneer, a Komsomol member, a communist?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Fortunately, no, I did not tarnish my conscience with this.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Fortunately, no, I did not tarnish my conscience with this.

Clinic...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

If you are about yourself, then I sympathize with you.

[Olgovich]

Quote: kalibr

Even if everything is so, it is not clear why and how people like Gorbachev and others appeared during the Soviet upbringing. After all, these are Soviet people ... Born in the USSR. Why is the "fifth column" constantly recovering? Why, knowing this, has not a mechanism been created to suppress its revival.

They cannot give an intelligible answer to this: why, under THEIR sole and remarkable Bolshevik power and only THEM power, .... endless Trotskyists and .... practically no Bolsheviks!
Which, the poor and defenseless, the all-powerful Trotskyists drove all the time in the tail and mane.

[andrew42]

Also often asked this question. The essence of human nature. Klimvu degeneralogy - to help. In any population, Evolution and Degradation are 2 simultaneous multidirectional processes. When the latter prevails, the species dies. First, degradation in values, then in a destructive stereotype of behavior, then in physical degeneration with visually distinguishable signs. The royal family of Britain is a classic of the genre.

[kalibr]

Quote: lucul

until 70% of all Jews in the USSR worked for the CIA.

And where did the KGB look?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kalibr

And where did the KGB look?

Ask Putin in a straight line.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

But will he answer ... Here the whole country is silent in answer to the question: why did they look indifferently at the collapse of the USSR, and no one will give you an answer for that question.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Here the whole country is silent in response to the question: why did they indifferently look at the collapse of the USSR,

Not everyone looked indifferent, only how difficult it was to change something when they were crumbling from the very top. It’s the same as now against rolling up the retirement age. They will crush.

[Mcar]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Here the whole country is silent in response to the question: why did they indifferently look at the collapse of the USSR

1. Why is it indifferent? The referendum results of 77% for the USSR with a turnout of 80%. What is this indifference?
2. And what methods of protesting against you know, except for self-immolation in the main square? For example, I was against joining the WTO, against the TOPs, against the South Ossetia, against GMOs. Many more against what. But how to protest does not occur. I would like your advice on how to protest would be very useful for the future.
3. The country was destroyed by deception, fraud. So what - the scammer's own fault is it? What slogans did you remember? "More SOCIALISM!", "SOCIALISM with a human face!" etc. in that spirit.

[kalibr]

Quote: just explo

make abroad at home.

Why is this bad? Lenin also called for this ... Just do not take the bad, but take the good! Do not know how to distinguish? Well, this is our fault! There is no mafia to blame.

[Boris55]

Quote: kalibr

Do not know how to distinguish? Well, this is our fault!

To make the difference, you need to compare something with something, but for this you need knowledge about the objects being compared.

It is not the fault of the people that they do not have such knowledge. As soon as the "elite" hid the knowledge of government from the people, they immediately took full responsibility for the country, for the people.

Is it our fault that we have such an education today?

[kalibr]

Quote: Boris55

Is it our fault that we have such an education today?

So you wrote that education in the USSR was BEST. Why write about education NOW, when the USSR in the 91 was ruined by people with THESE EDUCATION. Where is the logic?

[Boris55]

Quote: kalibr

So you wrote that education in the USSR was BEST.

Yes. Compared to the West, our education was the best. But what about the West, that we have management knowledge available to a narrow group of people.

ps
Is it possible to be offended by a vessel filled with poison? Hardly.

[Conductor]

Money destroyed the Union, otherwise why would Yeltsin and Putin and a bunch of smaller people repainted? Money and power, they can and they love it, but they cannot manage rationally.

[VLR]

Excuse me, what does it mean, they removed Stalin? A hint of poisoning? Stalin died of a hemorrhagic stroke, this does not cause even the slightest doubt. Specialists begin to spit and bite when they hear nonsense about Stalin's poisoning, because a more typical and classical picture, both according to the clinic data and according to the data of pathological and anatomical research, cannot even be imagined - a "student case". And no poison can neither simulate the clinic of hemorrhagic stroke, nor can it be guaranteed to cause it. Acute heart failure - please, a bunch of options, hemorrhagic stroke - no. In the history magazine I already wrote about this:
http://his.1september.ru/2003/19/16.htm
I will not repeat.
Not helping? Yes, definitely. But even in the case of a timely call of the doctors, Stalin most likely would have died - hemorrhagic strokes still cannot really heal, and even then, even more so. If Stalin had even survived, the fate of Lenin in Gorki would have awaited him - and it is not known what is worse. I personally would choose death than such a life.

[Mcar]

Quote: VlR

Excuse me, what does it mean that they eliminated Stalin? Hint of poisoning? Stalin died of a hemorrhagic stroke, it does not cause even the slightest doubt. Specialists begin to spit and bite when they hear nonsense about Stalin's poisoning

Why a hint? The likelihood that Stalin was poisoned tends to 100%.

First, the strange behavior of the guards. So strange that it defies any explanation: a) go to bed, the owner said so (???); b) 12 (???) hours, from 10:00 to 22:00, pushing at the door "not daring" to enter Stalin, as if a terrible punishment awaits them for this.
Secondly, strange behavior and confused testimonies of associates. This is generally a song - we arrived, left, called a doctor, sent, etc.
And finally, where is the confidence that there was a hemorrhagic stroke? Stalin was killed not by a station switchman, but by a powerful member of the Politburo. Is it really not clear to what doctor what will be done to him if the killer does not like the diagnosis? Which doctors were told, they wrote it.

Well, and the "specialists" who spit and bite when they hear something like that are obviously from the fifth column themselves. I wonder if it is narrow-mindedness or sabotage to think that the diagnosis could not be a fake?

[VLR]

It's just difficult for people to admit that a great person (even with a plus or a minus sign) can die from "simple ailment" - they must definitely kill him, poison him, replace him, he must go to a monastery or wander and act like a fool, and so on. And there are people who speculate on this, earning their bread and butter. But medicine is a science, and there are clear criteria for verifying diagnoses - both clinical and pathological. And in it, if all procedures are followed, there are no tolerances and no "maybe". The existing history of Stalin's illness does not admit discrepancies. And the existing ECG of Zhdanov also does not admit any "whether yes or no". Stalin has a 100% hemorrhagic stroke. Zhdanov has a 100% mtocardiac infarction, and our leading academicians missed this heart attack.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: VlR

It's just difficult for people to admit that a great person (even with a plus or a minus sign) can die from "simple ailment" - they must definitely kill, poison, replace him, he must go to a monastery or wander and act like a fool, and so on. And there are people who speculate on this, earning bread and butter. But medicine is a science, and there are clear criteria for verifying diagnoses - both clinical and pathological. And in it, if all procedures are followed, there are no tolerances and there is no "maybe".

Only you, dear Valery, forget a little about the fact that in documents, especially medical examinations, they write IN ADVANCE CONSENTED with the right people, and far from always what was in reality. Even for the necessary, they can also clean up documents, and replace patient cards, etc.

[VLR]

Mikhail, this is already a conspiracy theory: first, the reptiloids forced Khrushchev to poison Stalin with an poison unknown to science, then they changed everything, cleaned everything up, falsified it. Poison, of course, reptilians turned out to be defective:
A few hours after its use, the person wakes up quietly, gets out of bed, turns on the lamp, looks at the newspapers. And only then, when nothing is left of the hypothetical poison in the blood, a classic stroke occurs. If the reptiloids gave Stalin poison, we must honestly admit that he did not act. For falsifying medical documents, it’s not at all as easy as it seems to be competently falsifying.
And everyone who was forced to go for forgery could show a good "fig in his pocket" by including in the text something that a layman would not pay attention to, but which immediately discredits the document in the eyes of future readers-doctors. Or do you think that Khrushchev, Bulganin, Malenkov and Beria decided to expand the circle of those involved in the mystery, and gave all medical reports for review? And then none of the opponents of Khrushchev, Bulganin or Malenkov tried to quietly interrogate those doctors in order to get compromising evidence on their rivals with promises or threats? It is very difficult to 100 percent clean everything up, and even in a hurry. Here Zhdanov's ECG has survived, although many people find it inconvenient and "unnecessary", and the documents were cleaned up 100 percent, and very carefully.
The presence of this ECG is hushed up. Because it gives rise to uncomfortable questions: were our academicians and luminaries, in fact, ignorant, not knowing elementary things, or did they really carry out someone's order to eliminate Stalin's faithful comrade-in-arms? And the "doctors' case" is not a consequence of Stalin's paranoia? And termination of this case
after his death it is illegal, and the one of the party bosses who ordered his closure is a political assassin. Secondly, “you can't put a scarf on every mouth,” numerous witnesses and characters perfectly understood that they “got into history” and left oral and written memoirs. And they all have the same thing: hemiplegia, motor aphasia. No one got lost and did not give a single reason to doubt even a little. But if you speak according to the instructions, somewhere someday you will get lost and pierced. Thirdly, "you can't hide a sewing in a sack": each of the numerous doctors summoned to Stalin had children, grandchildren, bosom friends, and beloved students. At least someone in 10-20-30 years, but they would let slip: they say, not quite so with Stalin's death, as they say, but they were forced to sign - that was the time. No, none of the involved and even very interested people have ever disputed the official version. Because there is nothing to dispute and all documents are freely available, no discrepancies or contradictions are found in them, medical specialists have no complaints about them. Only "alternative historians" dispute the obvious facts.
Conclusion: Zhdanov, his enemies in the leadership of the country, really, eliminated - but not by poison, but not by providing the necessary assistance and inadequate treatment. And in the death of Stalin the same scheme - no poison, just left without medical assistance for several hours in the most acute critical period. And this, in principle, had little effect on it - there were no effective treatments for hemorrhagic strokes at that time. Stalin would have died in the event of a timely call of doctors a week later - that's the whole difference.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: VlR

Mikhail, this is already a conspiracy theory: first, the reptilians forced Khrushchev to poison Stalin with poison unknown to science, then they all replaced, all cleaned up, falsified.

I partly turn around in the circles of doctors and therefore said what I said - forensic experts write mainly what they will be told even in our time, but in the era of Stalin you think you would write something?

Quote: VlR

The presence of this ECG is hushed up. Because it gives rise to uncomfortable questions: were our academicians and luminaries, in fact, ignorant, not knowing elementary things, or did they really carry out someone's order to eliminate Stalin's faithful comrade-in-arms? And the "doctors' case" is not a consequence of Stalin's paranoia?

Here we correctly come to some interesting questions - about the competence of the Kremlin doctors, real, and not confirmed by loud titles, and to the question of the real grounds of the "doctors' case" (and before it the "Kremlin hospital case", etc.).

Quote: VlR

Zhdanov’s enemies in the leadership of the country, indeed, were eliminated - but not by poison, but not by providing the necessary assistance and inadequate treatment. And in Stalin's death the same scheme - no poison, was simply left without medical assistance for several hours in the most critical critical period.

I agree with this - yes, a clear refusal to help, although they knew and understood that help was needed and urgent.

[sergo1914]

It is a pity that it is impossible to re-enter this river. It was a good time.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Good. You could have been arrested on a neighbor's denunciation. Or suspect of working for the Anglo-Polish-Japanese intelligence. Or accuse of "bending the party line". You could have been shot in the NKVD basement. Or starve to death doing outrageous jobs in the camp. And they could also get into the worst war in history and become a prisoner of war, and on their return be accused of treason. It was a good time. For extreme lovers.

[Andrey VOV]

And now a neighbor will write that suspicious bearded men come to you, you have seen the Koran, they hear prayers from behind the wall at a certain time, and that you are an ISIS supporter ... and the guys in masks will rush in to you, remember their ribs, and throw them into the camera .. . yes, then they will sort it out of course and let go, though if a couple of cartridges are not found "by accident" or a bag of white powder

[Lieutenant Teterin]

This is a small amendment. In order for this to happen to me, I must be at least bearded and profess a certain religion. I am an Orthodox Christian, and every Sunday I visit the Orthodox Church, which is known not only by my neighbors, but also by the entire parish of the Church, and all my colleagues at work. And the investigator, who gets such a statement on the table, before sending the capture group, will check the identity of the potential suspect and call the neighbor for questioning - under Art. 306 "knowingly false reporting of a crime."

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

In order for this to happen to me, I must be at least bearded and practice a certain religion. I am an Orthodox Christian, and every Sunday I visit the Orthodox Church, which is known not only by my neighbors, but also the entire parish of the Temple, and all my work colleagues. And the investigator who gets such a statement on the table before sending the capture group

Well, what kind of idealists we are ... An investigator or another person who has been assigned the task of imprisoning you will simply lead you under the article "Orthodox Christian extremist", that's all. Religious extremism is a very broad section for legal interpretation.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

The investigator or other person who has been assigned the task of imprisoning you will simply guide you under the article "Orthodox Christian extremist"

Here are just a reality your arguments refute. Orthodox Christians do not become involved in cases of extremism, unless they begin to make nonsense about terrorist attacks, attempted murders, etc. However, those who bring such rubbish to Orthodox Christians are difficult to call. So sectarians are engaged.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Orthodox Christians do not become involved in cases of extremism,

“Your words to God in the ears ...” Have you ever wondered why, even from the very top, there has been talk about decriminalization of a number of provisions of articles on extremism? Is it because absolutely ordinary people are being brought under them for all sorts of nonsense, just for the sake of getting "sticks" on the way to new "stars", while real extremists are often difficult, difficult, and moreover, very dangerous to fight against.

[naidas]

-And you were an Octobrist, a pioneer, a Komsomol member, a communist?
- Fortunately, no, I did not tarnish my conscience with this.
Well, there was a reason, yes, my friend, you’re a ready-made spy, you need to be isolated, or even worse, an alien, you should be taken apart for an experiment.

[Ruudi 34]

... or trying to get your "green card", and you have a bearded face and an English with a wild Russian accent and bam ... you get a 45 caliber bullet from a nervous cop in a lobshnik ... an "unfair" death - you think in pieces of brain on the asphalt ..)))).

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Rudi 34

or trying to get your "green card", and you have a bearded face and an English with a wild Russian accent and bam ... you get a 45 caliber bullet from a nervous cop in a lobshnik ... an "unfair" death - you think with scraps of brains on the asphalt. .)))).

And you do not mix the Russian Federation with America, please.

[Ruudi 34]

And what is wrong? Or do you think in the USA "Martians from another galaxy" live .. And of course, "Russia is such a unique civilization - our acceleration of gravity is different from that of the Earth"

[Lieutenant Teterin]

The logic of police in the United States is slightly different from other countries. They have the right to shoot to kill at the first suspicion of a threat. In our country, as in Europe, in the case of shooting then you are tormented to write unsubscribes in support of your behavior.

[VLR]

No, there are people worse than "bearded men": out of the kindness of your heart, you will give a lift to a neighbor's girl, and she or her parents will write a statement that you touched her above her knees on the way. If there are still witnesses who saw her getting into your car - that's it, you are a pervert pedophile. Male teachers were once terrorized by high school students, now they are afraid to be alone with some girl for a minute. Even if they don't go to jail, life will be ruined.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: VlR

No, there are people worse than "bearded men": out of the kindness of your heart, you will give a lift to a neighbor's girl, and she or her parents will write a statement that you touched her above her knees on the way. If there are still witnesses who saw her getting into your car - that's it, you are a pervert pedophile. Male teachers were once terrorized by high school students, now they are afraid to be alone with some girl for a minute. Even if they don't go to jail, life will be ruined.

Absolutely correct words. Unfortunately, the use of laws in our country is often brought to the point of absurdity. The situation is the same with first aid, including on the roads - when the count goes for minutes, and no one helps, everyone is waiting for an ambulance, because if anything, you can get put on trial and get jailed for unprofessional medical intervention. And in the same USA, for example, the "law of the good Samaritan" operates.

[Ruudi 34]

Who cares? To die in an equestrian attack, suffocating phosgene think better ...? Well, yes - a heroic death ... she is so beautiful and fair ..)))) And most importantly, there is no need to answer for anything ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Rudi 34

die in an equestrian attack choking phosgene think better ...? Well, yes - a heroic death ... she is so beautiful and fair ..))))

Choking on phosgene, a person at least understands for the sake of whom and for what he gives his life for his Fatherland, for the freedom of his loved ones, for their right to live.

[Ruudi 34]

Well, yes, of course .. how much pathos, pathos ..))) Rokossovsky's teeth are knocked out during interrogation - he goes to defend the USSR - "yeah ... unusual." Vlasov received the order in 41st - in 42nd he already received ranks from the Germans - "well ... a patriot ... well .."

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I especially liked about

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

to die of hunger at exorbitant work in the camp

My dear man, you would at least become familiar with the statistics of mortality in the Stalinist camps at your leisure. For reference, it was much lower than the national average. The exception was only in the years of the Second World War, but there was a proposal to the prisoners - either a hungry ration and a zone, or a Red Army ration in the ranks of the invincible and legendary. Who chose the solder is his choice

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

My dear man, you would at least become familiar with the statistics of mortality in the Stalinist camps at your leisure. For reference, it was much lower than the national average.

You don’t have to lie, okay? I am familiar with mortality statistics. There is such a good graduate student in St. Petersburg who studies the penitentiary system, and his studies based on archival (!) Documents for the Dzhugashvilev camps do not show anything good.

In total, in the Gulag camps (excluding prisons, colonies and special settlements) in 1935, according to the SANO, 27 304 people died, which amounted to 3,6% of the average annual prison population (in 1934 - 4,28%, in 1933 - 15%) . This average coefficient was about three and a half times higher than the corresponding indices for a comparable sex and age cohort in the free population of the USSR of this period. Real mortality, according to the URO, was slightly higher.

However, as I have repeatedly noted, the Gulag was still too large-scale phenomenon to always be characterized by average values.
Since the conditions in the camps varied greatly from one camp administration to another, it is useful to descend for analysis at the micro level of individual ITLs.

For example, even in this "stable" period, the Svirsky and Temnikovsky logging camps demonstrated an abnormally high mortality rate.
The annual mortality rate in Svirlag and Temlag in 1935 was 9,68% and 11,3%, respectively. Consequently, in these camp administrations every tenth prisoner of the average annual perished during the year, these coefficients were somewhere in 9-10 times higher than those of comparable ages in the wild. Such an extremely high mortality rate was primarily due to the production profile of these camps. The work in logging was almost unanimously recognized by the administration and the prisoners themselves as the most exhausting. Considering that the logging work was carried out almost without mechanization, the muscular strength of the prisoners, and in the camps at that time there was a scale of "differentiated nutrition" in accordance with which the prisoners were cut off rations due to non-fulfillment of the production norms, the body of the prisoners of the logging camps degraded many times faster, than prisoners who were "lucky" to get into an industrial or agricultural camp.

The most favorable sanitary situation was in Sarlag, Ukhtpechlag, Prorvlag, LBC and Dallag, where the mortality rate in 1935 was less than 2%, somewhere and a half times higher than mortality in the free population of the USSR at comparable ages. Higher ratios were demonstrated by Sazlag, Dmitlag, Vetlag, Karlag, Bamlag and Siblag.

https://corporatelie.livejournal.com/131450.html

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

I am familiar with mortality statistics. There is such a good graduate student in St. Petersburg

Yeah. You still refer to Solzhenitsyn

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

In total, in the Gulag camps (excluding prisons, colonies and special settlements) in 1935, according to the SANO, 27 304 people died, which amounted to 3,6% of the average annual prison population (in 1934-4,28%, in 1933-15%). This average coefficient was about three and a half times higher than the corresponding indices for a comparable sex and age cohort in the free population of the USSR of this period.

Here is just one nuance. The graduate student takes the average annual prison population (758,4 thousand people), and you need to look at the total number of people who have passed through the Gulag. There were 725,4 thousand of those at the beginning of the year + 524,4 received - of which 369 you were released from that same year, a lot of people were transferred to other camps, etc.
Statistics change immediately, and not for the better for a graduate student. The next question - where did this graduate student of yours get the statistics on mortality by population groups in 1935? Can you answer? The general answer "in the archives" will not suit me, I would like specific documents

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

To avoid unnecessary argument, I explain on the fingers. Suppose we have a certain cell in which one person is put in every day and released after a day. Total for the year 365 people will go through this cell, but the average number of prisoners will be 1 people. One of these 365 people died in the cell.
According to the method of your graduate student, mortality was 100% Buchenwald is resting

[Olgovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Total for the year 365 people will go through this cell, but the average number of prisoners will be 1 person. One of these 365 people died in the cell.

And in the other chambers in which these 364 people were transferred, none of them died?
Maybe half of them died, and you go. on this camera-1, and on the waiting room, not a single one at all!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Olgovich

And in the other chambers in which these 364 people were transferred, none of them died?

And who said that they were necessarily transferred to the cell? for example, about 400 thousand people from the Gulag went free. Part - escaped.
You are right, of course, that if you take the statistics for the full program, then you need to take into account all the prison facilities / camps, and not just the Gulag. Well, where is it in the postgraduate study proposed to us?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And who said that they were necessarily transferred to the cell? for example, about 400 thousand people from the Gulag went free. Part - escaped.

That is: the part has NOT yet reached the cell and was in this cell, respectively, only a PART of the time during the year under consideration (for which the percentage of deaths is considered), the part left BEFORE the end of this year., I.e. also defective sitters of this chamber. And counting these temporary ones — including those in the cell all year round — is incorrect.

[Ruudi 34]

"Live Journal .." of course. )))) There are debates of some "doctors of historical sciences" ... worse than here ..))) Oh, you would not climb into this jungle .. this is not about us "LJ"))))

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

There is sometimes sensible data, but ... not in this case

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Rudi 34

"Live Journal .." of course. )))) There are debates of some "doctors of historical sciences" ... worse than here ..))) Oh, you would not climb into this jungle .. this is not about us "LJ"))))

You wouldn’t get too sick, but you’d better go to that page to read. It is led by a person who has been engaged in real research for more than a year, he has all scans of archival documents with the instructions of the fund, volume number and case sheets. Although, if you have nothing more to protest, you can continue to break the comedy.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

It is led by a person who has been engaged in real research for more than a year.

The level of "real research" is stated above. If a person takes the average number on the list as a base for comparison, without recalculating it by the total number of people who have gone through the GULAG, such "research" is worthless.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

It seems to me that you did not read the article I quoted. It is dedicated to one particular year - 1935. Which side does the total number of people who went through the GULAG relate to the analysis of the number of deaths to the number of prisoners for a particular year - you know better.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

It seems to me that you did not read the article I quoted. It is dedicated to one particular year - 1935. Which side does the total number of people who went through the GULAG relate to the analysis of the number of deaths to the number of prisoners for a particular year - you know better.

It seems to me that you did not understand what I am writing to you. Your graduate student writes about 1935 year. I also write about the 1935 year, in which, at the beginning of the year, 725,4 thousand people attended the Gulag, and during 1935 g, another 524,4 thousand people entered it. Total, the total number of people who passed through 1935 g through the Gulag amounted to 1 248,8 thousand people. of which 27,3 you died and well this is never 3,6% mortality in the Gulag. Is that more clear? :)))
Before reading such "livzhornalchiki" you will study the issue at least at the level of terminology - what is the average number, etc.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

725,4 thousand people, and during 1935 it received another 524,4 thousand people. Total, the total number of people who passed through the Gulag in 1935 amounted to 1 thousand people. 248,8 of them died. and this is well, that’s never a 27,3% mortality rate in the Gulag.

But also 400 thousand gone from the gulag taking away "their" mortality with themselves.
So mortality is calculated precisely for 1 248-400 = 800 thousand, which is at 27 thousand dead 3, 2%

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

So clearer?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Olgovich

But 400 thousand also left the GULAG, taking "their" mortality with them.

Yeah, they took it away. At the same time, which is characteristic, no one knows what this mortality was and whether it differed from the average for a population of the same age. This, in fact, could somehow justify a comparison of the average life expectancy of those who passed the Gulag to those who did not pass it, but here a lot of nuances arise.
Do you have a similar study? And if not, then there is no need to speculate with your speculation on this topic.

Quote: Olgovich

So mortality is calculated precisely for 1 248-400 = 800 thousand, which is at 27 thousand dead 3, 2%

The most complete nonsense. Because those who left the Gulag were those who "rewound from bell to bell" and they did not die in the GULAG, and we have no information that there was some kind of "supermortality" among them when they left the Gulag ... Therefore, there is no reason to exclude them from the calculation.
Another conversation that could be added to the calculation of the number of people who died at large from these 400 thousand released 1935 g, yes, that would be reasonable. Is there such data? When will be - continue.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Yeah, they took it away.

Exactly. Can you challenge? No you can not.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

At the same time, which is characteristic, no one knows what this mortality was and whether it differed from the average for a population of the same age. This, in fact, could somehow justify life expectancy comparison those who have passed the Gulag to those who have not passed it, but even here a lot of nuances arise.

You didn’t talk about that. And corporatelle is not about that, but the percentage of the dead. Forgot already?

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Do you have a similar study? And if not, then there is no need to speculate with your speculation on this topic.

You speculate, "entangled" in elementary logic and mathematics.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

The most complete nonsense. Because those who left the Gulag were those who "rewound from bell to bell" and they did not die in the GULAG, and we have no information that there was some kind of "supermortality" among them when they left the GULAG. ...

The most complete nonsense: the newly arrived in the Gulag, 05 million brought their PEACEFUL (low) mortality, which improved the indicators. And those who departed before the call, left BEFORE the end of the year, taking their mortality to freedom

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

we have no data that among them there was some kind of "supermortality" upon leaving the Gulag. Therefore, there is no reason to exclude them from the calculation.

And she doesn’t interest anyone, she already "gone". It is considered to be among those who are at the end of the year.
T Including arrivals - remove departures.
With an approximately equal number of those and those, the result is the number of carpenter.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Good. You could have been arrested on a neighbor's denunciation. Or suspect of working for the Anglo-Polish-Japanese intelligence. Or accuse of "bending the party line". You could have been shot in the NKVD basement. Or starve to death doing outrageous jobs in the camp. And they could also get into the worst war in history and become a prisoner of war, and on their return be accused of treason. It was a good time. For extreme lovers.

I expressed a personal opinion. I think so. What do you want to convince me of? Impose your beliefs? What for? I will never accept them.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: sergo1914

I expressed a personal opinion. I think so. What do you want to convince me of? Impose your beliefs? What for? I will never accept them.

Would you like to? Your right. There are people who believe that guano can be eaten. This is their personal opinion and they have such a right.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Quote: sergo1914

I expressed a personal opinion. I think so. What do you want to convince me of? Impose your beliefs? What for? I will never accept them.

Would you like to? Your right. There are people who believe that guano can be eaten. This is their personal opinion and they have such a right.

That is, you are also trying to instill in me your gastronomic preferences?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: sergo1914

That is, you are also trying to instill in me your gastronomic preferences?

On the contrary, I point to yours.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Quote: sergo1914

That is, you are also trying to instill in me your gastronomic preferences?

On the contrary, I point to yours.

All who do not believe in a good king ... oops ... KING - "eat guano"? Did I get it right? Is the day off in kindergarten?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: sergo1914

Is there a day off in kindergarten?

Judging by your comment, it’s not just a day off, but an unlimited vacation.

[sergo1914]

My ryuyuki not to understand ...
"Kindergarten" or "kindergarten"?

and every Sunday I visit the Orthodox Churchе

How it all starts ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Oh, you begin to find fault with grammar. A sure sign that your arguments are over, and you want to cheat on your opponent with something. You are addressing the wrong address.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Oh, you begin to find fault with grammar. A sure sign that your arguments are over, and you want to cheat on your opponent with something. You are addressing the wrong address.

Where are the nitpicking? Back to the start of the discussion

It is a pity that it is impossible to re-enter this river. It was a good time.

. My first message. I expressed my personal opinion. I was not going to drive everyone around into that world.
Further it turned out that having such an opinion, without making an attempt to impose this opinion on others, I was classified as "eating guano." Like,.
Is the sequence correct? Moreover, I am not trying to convince the opponent that he is wrong. I just do not care about his point of view. Where do I fake my opponent? But the opponent infuriates my opinion about Stalin and the Stalinist period of history. Why? Doesn’t resemble anything?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Quote: sergo1914

I expressed a personal opinion. I think so. What do you want to convince me of? Impose your beliefs? What for? I will never accept them.

Would you like to? Your right. There are people who believe that guano can be eaten. This is their personal opinion and they have such a right.

That is, you are also trying to instill in me your gastronomic preferences?

So not only to you, but to the whole site. They are there together with Olgovich and Koshnitsa ------- of this

[Claymore]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

You could have been arrested on a denunciation of a neighbor.

The denunciation, dear man, is not grounds for arrest.

The rest of the text of your comment is the same nonsense as your statement about the denunciation.

[Dmitry Leontiev]

The critical problem of today's humanity, which makes possible the expansion of the oligarchy and its enslavement to them, is the lack of real democracy - the power of the people.
In the present world, at the suggestion of the Western oligarchic gadyushnik, the oligarchy, which is directly opposite to it in its meaning, is mockingly called "democracy" - the power not of the people, but of its enemies - the capitalists.
With this ideology, any elite is bought elementarily, and the population itself, fenced off from making political decisions, with all the understanding that its betrayal by the elite happens, can do nothing. And the Soviet Union - which also lacked this key element of security (democracy) - was no different in this respect from other countries, and was in no way protected from the treason of the elite - which also happened to it.

Capitalism is Satanism, the teaching of the Talmud, written and presented as a new religion by the servants of Satan - the Pharisees who crucified Christ.
Personal enrichment and gaining personal shadow power due to the predominance of funds in capitalism is always implied at the expense of others - that is, due to fraud, treachery, meanness, deception, robbery, arrogance, betrayal. All this in Satanism is immutable rules of conduct, and in Christian society it must be a priori and certainly unacceptable.
After Christ came, the Old Testament teaching was divided into two opposing teachings. The first of them is the Gospel (a renewed, cleansed of Old Testament satanism Testament of the Most High God to all mankind, which is the only Code of universal Higher well-being of the world of people). The second is the Talmud (the teachings of Satan, the enemy of Christ and the enemy of humanity, whose sole purpose is to plunge humanity into hell of the worst evil).
Humanity is still being led by Satanism, leading it to perdition, only because it does not accept the Gospel
principles of Christ or not sufficiently committed to them and allows their betrayal - to perdition to himself.
In order to be saved from evil - the worst fate that Satan determines for him - mankind must distinctly unite on a single Fundamental Principle given to him by Christ in the Gospel.

Here are the basic political (system-forming) principles of Christ:
- THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OF TRUTH (CHRIST) OVER ANY EARTH AUTHORITIES AND INTERESTS,
- SOCIAL AND POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF ALL PEOPLE,
- UNCONDITIONAL FREEDOM OF SPEECH (THE ACCENTED RIGHT OF ANY ARGUMENTATION FROM ANYONE WAS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE REVIEW AND COURT OF THE WHOLE COMPANY),
- INACCESSIBILITY IN THE PUBLIC SYSTEM OF UNHANDLING THE WHOLE SOCIETY OF HUMAN POWER (POWER OF THE BEAST); LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL AUTHORITY OF THE MOST SOCIETY IN ITS FULL VOLUME, AND NOT OF DEPUTIES, SEPARATE BIGGEST,
- HIGHER PERFORMANCE CAN BE ONLY UNIVERSAL - UNDER WHICH NO ONE IS LEFT FOR HER ONBOARD.

The elementary System of Activation of the Mind of Humanity (Central Technology) defined by this Principle Code is described here:
cloud.mail.ru/public/4t7w/gXT492EyR
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This simple system of principles is necessary for the power on earth of the truth itself - the most reasonable argumentation - when absolutely all its loopholes will be closed, when any socially significant decisions cannot be made without clear and comprehensive argumentation endorsed by the whole society, determining their actual maximum compliance with the highest the interests of human society itself. This System will subordinate everything that happens to the highest interests of mankind itself, and not to any of its arrogant parasites. It will make the whole of humanity a simple and natural way - a single team for the most favorable arrangement of their world for all. It will allow humanity to finally acquire a distinct Consciousness, make it one Intelligent Super-Organism, and provide the unimaginable for the current flawed, warring with itself peace take-off of the comprehensive technological development of mankind, which is most favorable for each of their people.
The Code of Principles for the Political Principles of Christ is the only Code for the security and universal Higher Well-being of mankind - the Code for his salvation from evil and his attainment of the highest possibilities of this world.
No other system, except as defined by this Code, does not mean the liberation of mankind from the crafty and meaningless evil that it does.
This is the only code that opens for mankind the code lock of all the Higher Possibilities of this world. Activation of this Code is required.
The adoption of this elementary political system is the Supreme Goal of mankind.

This cannot be taken carelessly. It is not in vain that Christ brought the principles of the political security of the human world to Earth. This is the most important and only code for saving mankind from evil and its Higher Well-Being.
If, in the presence of danger (which is existential, persistent and constantly active in this world), safety precautions are not followed, the danger is realized.

[andrew42]

The beginning of the substitution of concepts occurs with the fact that "demos" and "people" are essentially different concepts. In addition to the "demos", there were many more who lived in the policies. In addition, I will never be sure that by "democracy" was meant the power of the demos (over whom? Over the aristocracy?), And not the Control of the demos (power OVER the demos). To begin with, you should stop using "non-native" terms that can be interpreted as you want, there would be a desire. But everything is complicated with us. The more foreign the word, the more "modern" and "more creative".

[Dmitry Leontiev]

Democracy, in its literal meaning, is precisely the power of the people — the government of the population itself — which in such a system is politically equivalent to any people appointed to responsible posts: the votes of all adults when voting on any balance issues. Any executive and judicial power is completely subordinate to the whole society - it is elected and removed by it. The legislative power is society itself directly (and not arrogant mediators - deputies not alien to it in their actual interests).
Any manipulation with this concept is extremely understandable, and not even worth discussing. At the time when this concept appeared, they were as inevitable as in the present - then there were also oligarchs, those who had power and tried to keep it behind them by any means. Of course, they came up with all sorts of allegories from the evil one - to call their own power "democracy". It's even funny to talk about it. Here everything is as clear as two or two.
In the Soviet Union, the power of the ruling elite, which has nothing in common with the people itself, was also mockingly called the power of the people, and the population was assigned the role of a herd that did not have the right to vote, to which no one cares (which in 69 was called the people defeated in the moon race - even though everyone who has brains, it was extremely clear that this was not so; - and in the early nineties they were robbed and thrown, having retrained in the governors of the Western oligarchy - the same oligarchs).
This situation will change only when people are united by a clear and generally accessible Argumentation System that closes the cunning of any of its loopholes, requiring for any socially significant decision an exhaustive argumentation of its conformity with the interests of the population in all details. It will be the Human Mind Activation System, which will finally make humanity Intelligent, competent in any matters. And before that, any rogue can talk fools as he pleases - and the population, while in darkness, does not know whether he is talking nonsense or is it just that their darkness does not allow them to understand what he is talking about; - and as a result, society is deprived of the opportunity to promptly bring liars to clean water, - and can do this, at best, only after the fact.
Without the creation of this System, all other conversations about anything do not lead to any changes; - without it, the evil one always freely penetrates into power, taking advantage of darkness, fragmentation, impenetrability and confusion.

[andrew42]

"In the Soviet Union," the power of the people "in the same way mockingly called the power of the ruling elite, which has nothing in common with the people themselves ..." - And no one says that it was the "Kingdom of God" on Earth. The question is in the lesser / greater of evils - who chooses what. As for the herd, this is to the USA, Britain, Belgium, and France today. The Argumentation System? Mind Activation System? - And how to touch it? What is it ? And most importantly, from whom this system is - may be from God, or may be offered by the enemy of the human race. Moreover, people of different levels of spiritual development, with different tasks of perfection, and with different ranges come to Earth, to this "testing ground of souls" opportunities. Therefore, the system of castes (as in ancient times), or estates, objectively exists in any living human society, has been and will be. The main thing is that "according to work", that there are "elevators", and that "the latter do not become the first." This is just about ".. a walker, chatting up fools .." And the system of estates is always destroyed by those who want to knock down the slaves into the herd, and take the place of the master. The caste system itself can also be crooked and unfair at the moment, especially if it is not philosophers (priests) who run it, but managers (lackeys). But human society has not given birth to another viable system, and will not. Unless each of us becomes God. The hat should be according to Senka, that is, according to the level of spiritual development of a human being.

[Dmitry Leontiev]

I repeat once again: it was not in vain that Christ brought to earth the principles of the political security of mankind. Without them, the same dark vomit that has been going on throughout history to this day will continue - the very one that you are extolling now, saying that the people should remain in darkness, and the elected autocrats should rule them (in fact, ordinary oligarchs and corrupt officials in power - for there is no trustworthy among people for power uncontrolled by the population itself). Neglecting the principles of Christ, you simply stupidly condemn yourself to this vomiting, in which you fight to death on Tuesday for Wednesday, but you don’t understand Thursday already ...
It is in the Gospel Principle Code of Christ that the only valid Salvation of mankind lies. And it is with this Fundamental Code that the System I am talking about is determined. It will finally turn on the Light for all and close the further path to the evil one - open it to the real truth about the universal Higher expediency of the world of people. It will make society a united congress, a united team. This System will not allow anyone to vote thoughtlessly - for voting it will be necessary to prove to the system that you understand the top-line arguments from both the team of supporters of the idea and the team of its critics who vote against or redirect to other, alternative ideas. It will also be necessary to prove to the system that you know the reasoning chosen by the Qualification Council on this issue (which will also be elected in real time by the population itself on the principle of a simple rating from ordinary participants). All the most responsive and objective arguments from each side when voting on any idea will be right in front of you - and you won’t be able to vote without taking it into account (this, I repeat, the system will not allow - it will check this knowledge and allow it on the basis of this check before the vote). Not everyone will be able to vote, but only those who take this matter seriously - and will study the arguments from each side and the arguments of the Qualification Council. And this means that each voter will quite objectively understand all the nuances, pluses and minuses of any decision made. That is, the system will constantly improve the qualifications of society on each of its vital issues, making humanity itself a Reasonable manager of its life. Only when humanity itself begins to understand all the things that are vital to it, becomes competent on all these issues, will its truly favorable development become possible - when no one can drive it into darkness and catastrophic damage for the sake of its despicable, insignificant personal interests.

[Dmitry Leontiev]

Those who are responsible should rule. And the people always bear responsibility for any political decisions. (Where, for example, are now those who destroyed the USSR, arranged the so-called "shock therapy" - simply a large-scale robbery of the people? Who was responsible? Gorbachev in chocolate - lives in luxury for cardon. Chocolate-covered oligarchs - rest on their super-yachts the size of with ocean liners - and know yourself they are pushing through in the Duma new laws on additional tax burdens for the population, and on reducing the number of pensioners in favor of immunity and further increasing their astronomical income. ”The entire responsibility was borne by the population itself - including those millions of people who turned out to be as a result of their "shock therapy" in the cemetery - who was not left a chance to survive this robbery. All decisions should be made by those who are responsible for them. And here is another clear axiom: the system always works for those who make laws - and against those who are excluded from this process.Accordingly, in a system whose purpose is to ensure the well-being of settlements, laws should be adopted by the population itself - and not by arrogant intermediaries who, by definition, are more profitable to work for the oligarchs and have palaces than to work for the interests of the population, living on one salary (which in the first case does not disappear from them).

[Dmitry Leontiev]

I gave the link above to the essence of the System. This System will make power not people, but truth. People will only be judges of one whose argument has a greater connection with the truth, and whose lesser. This court will not be based on other feelings, but on the most distinct argumentation advanced up from each of the teams (supporters and critics of any given proposal).
In the meantime, it will be not truth that rules, but so chosen human authorities that you respect in your own understanding, determined not by universal expediency, but by how they personally prefer and more conveniently - you will be sitting in a stall the next day and don’t understand why fought. .

[xtur]

article on an interesting topic, but somehow weak.

One could say much more - firstly, Lenin was the designer of the USSR, Stalin only made the adjustment.
Secondly, under the state system existing in the USSR and dominant atheism, the degradation of the elite was programmed.

Shl. Whoever is interested in these theses can read two articles on this topic - "Passionate explosion and a man of a new type", "Leninism as an extension of the theory of civilizations. Lenin's geologics"

[Larum]

Eka went in the morning.
Here is how it’s possible to defy seemingly true thoughts with a pathetic mediocre presentation

[Ruudi 34]

Started - "for health", over - "for peace" ... and the beloved by modern people "conspiracy theory ..."

[BAI]

It all ended in disaster for Soviet civilization in 1985-1991. and the absorption of most of the socialist camps by the West

Those. Does the author recognize the complete superiority of the West over the so-called Soviet civilization (which cannot be, by definition of K. Marx)? Then what is it about?

[Ruudi 34]

Don't go crazy. The USSR itself is to blame for the collapse of the USSR. Whatever they say about the "influence of the West" and "traitors in the government", we must ask ourselves the question - how was this all allowed if they were so "effective"? In the comments, people go from extreme to extreme ... scribe. And although the article is based here and there in facts, it eventually slides into a "conspiracy theory .." People understand: "conspiracy theory" is a tool of "creeping" just ...

[alebor]

One can guess a lot about what would happen to our country if Stalin or the system he created were alive now, but what I know for sure is that the Internet, as a global world network, would be banned in our country as a breeding ground for debauchery and Western propaganda ( An example is the current North Korea, where only some organizations with special permission have limited access to it) and A. Samsonov would have nowhere to publish his wonderful articles, except to hang them on the fence.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I read, laughed. It’s necessary - to write, in general, the right things, with such a zeal in conspiracy theology :))))
I read the comments - it became sad. Some unconditionally believe what was written (is the conspiracy transmitted by Internet contacts?), For the second, the USSR is the "Gulag archipelago" with rare interspersed sharashka ...

[Ruudi 34]

"People .... these are all the same people ... the struggle for their daily bread has not changed them ..." (Satan)

[BAI]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:32
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Another fake poster. It was Dzhugashvili who was actively involved in the fragmentation of the Russian people, actively creating national republics and pursuing a policy of "indigenousization". He was especially active in Ukraine.

I understand that I do not want to recognize myself as Hitler’s ideological afterlife, but this is a fact.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: BAI

I understand that I do not want to recognize myself as Hitler’s ideological afterlife, but this is a fact.

Excuse me, what does Hitler have to do with it? You are really obsessed with this psycho.
I do not invent anything about Ukrainization, these are banal historical facts:

Quote:
in 1930 in Ukraine 68,8% of newspapers were published by the Soviet authorities in the Ukrainian language, in 1932 there were already 87,5% of them. In 1925-26 45,8% of books published by communists in Ukraine were published in Ukrainian, by 1932 this figure was 76,9%. There was no market, the growth and distribution of circulations was purely a party affair and were not dictated by demand.
On the contrary, in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, as now, Ukrainization met resistance, who refused to buy literature in Ukrainian. For example, take the Russian-speaking Donbass, which unsuccessfully tried to Ukrainize at an especially rapid pace. Here is a quote from the decision of the 4th plenum of the Donetsk Regional Committee of the Communist Party (b) U: “Strictly observe the Ukrainianization of Soviet bodies, resolutely fighting all sorts of attempts by enemies to weaken Ukrainianization.” The decision was made in October 1934.
And six months earlier, in April, the same regional committee made a strong-willed decision "On the language of the city and regional newspapers of Donbass." Pursuant to the party’s decisions on Ukrainization, the Donetsk residents decided to completely translate 23 of 36 local newspapers into Ukrainian, another 8 were to print at least two-thirds of the information in Ukrainian, 3 in Greek-Hellenic and only TWO newspapers (!) In the region were decided leave in Russian.
Before the revolution, there were 7 Ukrainian schools in the Donbass. In 1923, the People's Commissariat of Ukraine ordered for 680 years to Ukrainianize XNUMX schools in the region.
But the peak of Ukrainization of education here occurred precisely in 1932–33! As of December 1, 1932, out of 2239 schools in the Donbass, 1760 (or 78,6%) were Ukrainian, and another 207 (9,2%) were mixed Russian-Ukrainian.
By 1933, the last Russian-language pedagogical technical schools were closed. In the 1932–33 academic year, there was not a single Russian-speaking class left in the Russian-language Makeevka in elementary school, which provoked violent protests from parents. This year, no more than 26% of students in the region could study in Russian.
Party organs (well, yes, of the very party that they are now trying to accuse of genocide of the Ukrainian people) have also been actively Ukrainianized. If in 1925 the ratio of Ukrainians and Russians in the CP (b) U was 36,9% by 43,4%, in 1930 - 52,9% by 29,3%, then in the peak year of the "Holodomor" (1933. ) - 60% Ukrainians 23% Russians
Wow, “destroying” “Ukrainians”, Stalin for some reason planted MOV everywhere and persecuted the Russian language. Some kind of strange "destruction".
And here's another interesting document:
Decree of December 14, 1932 of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR "On grain procurement in Ukraine, the North Caucasus and the Western region"
Quote:
d) Suggest the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) U and the Council of People's Commissars of Ukraine to pay serious attention to the correct conduct of Ukrainization, to eliminate its mechanical implementation, to expel Petlyura and other bourgeois-nationalist elements from party and Soviet organizations, carefully select and educate Ukrainian Bolshevik cadres, and ensure a systematic party leadership and control over the conduct of Ukrainization.
Read - an interesting document. The fight against hunger and (ATTENTION!) Ukrainization are discussed! So much for your "hatred" to ukram. In the same place, by the way, it is decided to abolish Ukrainization in the Kuban, tk. the local population does not understand MOV well. :)
"To confirm that only persons who speak the Ukrainian language can be accepted for service, and those who do not speak Ukrainian can only be accepted by agreement with the District Commission for Ukrainization." R-401 op. 1, d.82 Presidium of Lugansk Okr. Executive Committee: “Confirm to employees that careless attendance of courses and unwillingness to learn the Ukrainian language entails their dismissal from service.” R-401, op. 1, business 72.
In July 1930, the Presidium of the Stalin District Executive Committee decided “to prosecute the heads of organizations formally related to Ukrainization, who did not find ways to Ukrainize subordinates who violate the current legislation in the matter of Ukrainization.” Newspapers, schools, universities, theaters, institutions, inscriptions, signs, etc. were Ukrainized. In Odessa, where Ukrainian students made up less than a third, all schools were Ukrainized. In 1930, only 3 large Russian-language newspapers remained in Ukraine.

https://mikle1.livejournal.com/679316.html
Enter in the search engine "Stalinist Ukrainization", you will be given a lot of materials there, and photos, and scans of newspapers, and articles ... What are you and the Internet, too, then declare "Hitler's follower"?

[kalibr]

Quote: Boris55

The disadvantage of any revolution is the lack of personnel.

So 91 year is inevitable!

[kalibr]

Quote: McAr

Well, and the "specialists" who spit and bite when they hear something like that are obviously from the fifth column themselves. I wonder if it is narrow-mindedness or sabotage to think that the diagnosis could not be a fake?

Enemies are all around, you are right! Around!

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

Surrounded by enemies

Friends call. Have a good laugh.

[Ruudi 34]

A friend now has one meaning - Ya. bright and creative personality ...

[Mcar]

Quote: Rudi 34

A friend now has one meaning - Ya. bright and creative personality ...

Well, and why this banter, if you have only friend - reflection in the mirror?
Or do your enemies not in a circle, but in a square?

[kalibr]

Quote: alebor

A. Samsonov would have nowhere to publish his wonderful articles, except to hang them on the fence.

And then not for long, because then he would have found himself clearly where!

[lucul]

Quote: just EXPL

and yes and no, I don’t know how in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but among those liberals I personally know there are not a single Jew, there are Tatars, Russians, one Bashkir, there are no Jews.
and moreover, even the banking clique, which is the essence of the Jews, is also just a tool, they are led by several other people and these are not Jews.

Eat for health - a quote from the book of Zvi Magen (former (1996-2006) director of NATIV (google what it is)) " Zvi unequivocally stated that the entire Jewish movement in the Union was under control and in contact with the West. The book itself bears the title "The Secret War of the USSR against the State of Israel"
Details

https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/685204&page=1

[kalibr]

Quote: Boris55

But what about the West, that we have management knowledge available to a narrow group of people.

Well, yes - in the USSR, a mass of books were kept in the special storage of the Lenin Library. God forbid that the people do not know what exactly Trotsky, Bukharin wrote ... it was possible to know only what was attributed to them! This is a GREAT EDUCATION! And now with poor education - please read any books!

[seacap]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

What, in general, “fair” society can be where people massively scribble denunciations, and scientists are forced to work in “sharashka” prisons ?!

Many dreamed of getting into these "sharashki", even knowing that for 10 years he would be "restricted to travel abroad", and this had to be earned and had talent, and this is not given to everyone, especially the underdeveloped.

[Koshnitsa]

First, arrest, then interrogations, torture, beatings, prison-sentence-term, stage-camp.
Well, if you don’t throw back your hooves and you are very lucky, you will get into the "sharashka".
Many dreamed of such a path?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Koshnitsa

First, arrest, then interrogations, torture, beatings, prison-sentence-term, stage-camp.
Well, if you don’t throw back your hooves and you are very lucky, you will get into the "sharashka".
Many dreamed of such a path?

Of course not. Therefore, for example, the creator of helicopters and the inventor of television are considered American inventors, not Russian ...

[Koshnitsa]

Yah?
And on the forum there are many who wish, it turns out to call in "sharashki" and wipe their feet on a towel.

[Campanella]

Have you read and seen enough? Yes, in sharashka, people did what the great country did. And have the current sitters created something worthwhile?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Koshnitsa

And on the forum there are many who wish, it turns out to call in "sharashki" and wipe their feet on a towel.

Sergei, the neo-Stalinists who are performing here, as I understand it, do not plan to work on the new Belomorkanal or in the new sharashkas, but plan to be guards and supervisors in these camps and sharashkas. And they forget a little the eternal law that the revolution devours its children - and they forget that in the USSR in the 20s-50s there were periodic "purges", during which new nominees were steadily "cleaned out" by introducing a 9-gram piece into the back wall of the skull. lead object "old" of their predecessors.

And they forget that there was nothing like this in the Russian Empire, where hard labor, so "covered with bloody glory," according to the words of "old Bolsheviks and faithful Leninists" (for some reason, they quite happily survived and traditionally "purged" from life already in the Soviet time) was a relatively comfortable place compared to other places that appeared in the XNUMXth century.

[Koshnitsa]

Ah, they plan to be bosses !!!!
Walk hands in pants, heh in your pocket !!!!
Well, this completely changes the whole thing.
Well, to health, let them take power and be bosses.
Can anyone interfere with this?

[pavelty]

Some kind of tin is written ...

[lucul]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Quote: just explo

in ideal and blessed USA there are denunciations?
and weight ?

What's the difference in the US or the EU? We are interested in Russia. Let other countries go at least on their ears, the main thing is that we do not have the same.

But this is a manipulation, Mr. Foreign Agent.

[Gardamir]

QUESTION! Why are some scolding the USSR, others praising, not compared with today's life? This is especially true for those who say that everything is bad in the USSR, then say what's good now.

[Koshnitsa]

Well, let's say under the USSR you, for the stylized. the swastika on the avatar, namely under Stalin, had already been processed in the investigator’s office, and you, personally, would have already given confession to the existence of a secret terrorist fascist group.
There are not even options for a dispute.

[Campanella]

Specialists say that under Stalin they were treated in a civilized manner, unlike the current realities, when people die during interrogations.

[Koshnitsa]

Nikolai Samsonovich Svanidze- was beaten during interrogation; in the archival lists of the executed and repressed does not appear.
There was a large turnover in the organs, the bulk of the mass was killed four times so and expelled.
People were recruited right from the street, what kind of specialists are there.

[Campanella]

Little knowledge)))

[faiver]

Kanesh article is frankly propaganda, but there is a decent share of truth in it ...

[Koshnitsa]

The funniest and most comic article on the Military Review.

[the same doctor]

all wrong. Cosmopolitan internationalism and proletarian globalism imposed on Russia were initially unpromising and utopian. Declaring freedom and prosperity, it meant enslavement of the people and poverty. The protest was choked with the bloody terror of foreign rulers (remember at least one Russian general secretary. Not even one could speak purely, all speech was distorted, right up to the current Matvienko ...). Forced deviations from Marxism, which ensured certain achievements and increased prosperity, were immediately leveled by the following rulers: for example, Khrushchev’s nationalization of cooperation and equalization in science.
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it is simply stupid to pass off your fantasies and delusions as the main path of human development after the collapse of all the Bolsheviks' undertakings. If the whole world divides spheres of influence and builds its own national states, then we must also gnaw out our niche and defend our place. Leave to the poor Jesus to preach universal grace. If you want to preach yourself - also give up both power and benefits, but do not turn us into those Jesus who squander their (our) property and turn (our) left cheek after slapping on the right. The country and the people need strong and honest rulers who understand the real state of affairs and use every opportunity for the good of their country, and not loyalty to the mythical ideals of Bolshevism, internationalism, liberalism and globalism ... noticed, isms seem to be different, but each requires us to give our for the sake of "general". And for us in this "general" the masters of the world have no place. And the "benefited" are also not averse to pressing the Russian people.

[Gardamir]

Cosmopolitan internationalism and proletarian globalism imposed on Russia were initially unpromising and utopian.

All this sounded interesting in the Gorbachev era. But the liberal cosmopolitanism and capitalist globalism imposed on Russia are no less utopian, but we are forced to survive.

[evgen1221]

All of the above applies to every citizen of Russia, he is a bum or the head of Gazprom.

[Claymore]

Great Russia-USSR ... the Western project of the enslavement of mankind ... The mob-elitist system ... the global mafia ... so managed to destroy the Russian empire ... Red Moscow did not repeat the mistakes of the monarchist Petrograd ... a pro-Western cosmopolitan culture that reproduces Westerners ( Decembrists, Februaryists, Vlasovites, Khrushchevites, Gorbachevites, etc. traitors and enemies of the people) ... Russia is a separate distinct civilization ... the "fifth column" eliminated the great leader of the USSR and the Russian people ... Trotskyists-internationalists ... elite clubs ... an imminent crisis of the biosphere ... in order to continue its parasitic existence, it is necessary to destroy most of the world's population ... redistributing the Earth's resources in favor of the "elite" ... restore (at least partially) the planet’s ecology by drastically reducing industrial production .. The riddle of the revolution and Stalinist repression ... a semi-colonial regime in the Russian Federation ...

For such sectarian-nationalist pseudoscientific contradictory nonsense spread in the 30s and 50s, Samsonov would be a patient in a psychiatric hospital at best, and in the worst case (and rightly so) would be put up against the wall like a Trotskyist.

[Koshnitsa]

In the 30-50s, the wall definitely.
To the "white dacha" under Leonid Ilyich.

[Griol]

"Stalinists", "neo-communists" are more terrible for Russia than Bandera's, corrupt liberals, fascists - those enemies are obvious, these are dressed up as patriots, but they are ready, like 100 years ago, to stab the country in the back with an ax, destroy it, hand it out.

[Koshnitsa]

Come on, pretty cowardly little things in life.
Lovers to cry on the internet.
I would take them to Abkhazia, show how de-Stalinization went in a hard way, so they won’t go

[Campanella]

What a horror! You have porridge in your head.

[Koshnitsa]

The porridge there was bloody from the Stalinist people in the 90s.
Poor Mingrelians, they had to answer for Stalin and Beria to the anti-Stalinists.

[Shurale]

The last pass is a lie ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

De Gaulle did not say that. The phrase was later attributed to him by the Stalinists.

Can you prove it? No? Well, you yourself know how decent people call it

[Koshnitsa]

This was all invented by Mukhin and K. in the 90s.
And about the plow, with the atomic bomb, and about the fact that Churchill jumped up, didn’t he see the natives both on the Nile and in South Africa to jump up at the sight of Dzhugashvili?
Nowhere do you find serious sources.

[evgen1221]

In Russia, there is still a very weak middle class and normal entrepreneurship (people still work according to the formula to grab and there is at least grass), hence 1-2% of the rich still have a lot of resources. Over time, the percentage of mullionaires will increase and no contrast stratification will look.

[Campanella]

The middle class is an ideological bullshit, invented to give legitimacy to the entire capitalist system. In reality, oligarchic clans decide the fate of the people. And the "middle class" can be destroyed at once. As in Russia, for example.

[Mcar]

Quote: Campanella

The middle class is an ideological bullshit, invented to give legitimacy to the whole system of capitalism.

That's right!

And you are absolutely right - a huge number of people have mess in their heads. I would aggravate - sawdust.
Sometimes you are amazed - people live with myths and lies, which were dumped on the heads of the gullible in the 90s. Almost thirty years have passed, some are fewer, and the impression is that they have either been sitting alone all these years, or on a desert island. Moreover, it would be possible to understand the tenacity of some, if we were sitting somewhere in the jungle or taiga. So no, everyone has the Internet at hand. It surprises me to the extreme - too lazy to read something, and finally find out what and how it was in a given period of our history? I do not understand...

[kalibr]

Alexander! To say such a thing, one must at least be a doctor of sociology or political science and a lot of things to know directly from significant sources. I’m sure you don’t even know how the door to the archive opens and you weren’t in any of them. All your knowledge from secondary writings, God knows who ... You also do not own extrasensory perception. So do not!

[Campanella]

Does the "primacy" of knowledge give grounds for 100% reliability?
Doctor of Political Science and Sociology is just a title, not always confirmed by true knowledge. One and the same facts can be interpreted from completely different positions. Human opinion is subjective. Time and a stable result can confirm the correctness of the judgments, but not the title.

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

To say such a thing, one must at least be a doctor of sociology or political science and a lot of things to know directly from significant sources. I’m sure you don’t even know how the door to the archive opens and you haven’t been to any of them. All your knowledge from the secondary scriptures God knows who ...

1. I really don't have ten extra years to spend in the archives. However, this has already been done by very responsible people, and not "God knows who." And for people like you and me, they have collected, systematized and presented to the court the human dry residue.
2. As Campanella has already said, titles, shoulder straps, robes, regalia, positions do not automatically make a person more competent, smarter, more moral, more decent. In short, you don't have to be a "doctor of sociology or political science" to analyze and compare the numbers. This can be done by any schoolchild who owns four actions of arithmetic.

Here, for example, take such an ardent anti-Stalinist as Zemskov. After spending several years in the archives, he collected and systematized all the prisoners of the Gulag. And imagine, did not lie. His goal was to expose, and he was probably expecting something according to Solzhenitsyn. And, probably, he himself was surprised that he had unearthed it - under Stalin, he sat in the Gulag about as much as today languishes in the dungeons of the United States and Russia. Well done, he didn’t lie, but wrote as is - 3,8 million repressed for state crimes from 1921 to 1954. And it was already in 1991. Those. this whole lie about tens of millions that was poured onto the heads of gullible ones (and they continue to lie - weeks does not pass so that some organism does not blather on TV about tens of millions) was a lie from the very beginning, and not a bona fide delusion. They knew and impudently lied. Goebels is resting!
And a whole generation grew up on this lie, even almost one and a half. I am scared for the future of Russia and the Russian people - with such a matrix in my head the peoples do not live long.

[Radical]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Quote: just explo

once again for the especially gifted, it is not necessary to pass off for the Russian peculiarity what is characteristic of ALL. Caps comes up better?

My dear fellow, I did not even think to pass off something as a "Russian peculiarity." If you perceive my words this way, then this is your problem. And as for denunciations, they are written always and everywhere, but in the USSR of the 30s this abomination acquired mass character. And this mass did not depend on nationality; it depended on the culture instilled in the communist regime.

If you still would know the names of those who wrote - you would be very surprised, and perhaps your opinion would greatly change about those times!

[kalibr]

Quote: McAr

Few people know, but by the middle, the end of the 60's, Stalin planned to abolish money within the country altogether. The working day according to Stalin's plans should be 6, and then 5 hours a day. Well, isn't that a motive for killing?

He personally told you this?

[Reptiloid]

I was not aware of the money, but I read about the reduction in the working hours

[Mcar]

Quote: kalibr

He is for you personally did this tell?

The name is Russian, and the polemical device is Jewish. Strange ...

I'm a lot of things personally not seen and not heard. For example me personally was not in England. Should I begin to doubt its existence? I also never personally did not eat durian. Start doubting that he stinks? I've never been personally never been in medieval or ancient times. Should I stop being interested in these historical periods?

PS. I have already answered your strange question quite extensively, but to another one, see above.

[Olgovich]

Quote: kalibr

He personally told you this?

He has such a theoretical "job" .. Funny , yes: establish direct product exchange between collective farms and enterprises

[marline]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: McAr

Few people know, but by the middle, the end of the 60's, Stalin planned to abolish money within the country altogether. The working day according to Stalin's plans should be 6, and then 5 hours a day. Well, isn't that a motive for killing?

He personally told you this?

You can personally read this, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Especially for you:

First of all, it is necessary to reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education ...
Joseph Stalin, 1952, "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR"

[Mcar]

Quote: merlin

You can personally read this, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Especially for you:

First of all, it is necessary to reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education ...
Joseph Stalin, 1952, "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR"

Yes, it is not interesting to read Vyacheslav Olegovich. Moreover, I am sure he would never want to know this. He would be interested, he would have asked a different question.

Birds of a feather flock together. A troll from afar is visible to anyone.

[kalibr]

So Khrushchev went even further. In the 80s, he promised the beginning of communism ... free housing, travel ... a lot. Words are inexpensive it's blah blah. Today one thing, and tomorrow - "in connection with the changed circumstances, it is not yet possible." Kind of weird. Adults, they believe blah blah ...

[marline]

Quote: kalibr

Kind of weird. Adult people believe blah blah ...

Really strange. Vyacheslav Olegovich, you as an adult asked a question about the source of information - they gave you an exhaustive answer.
Have you ever been interested in "how much are words"? Or are you clean enough to blurt out?
If you were eager to express your invaluable opinion, then you should just write this comment right away.

[Love is]

The author has long known that the theme of the great Stalin collects the maximum number of page views and advertising. And with great joy throws this bone. Visit, bite, click. Just a business and nothing personal.

[kalibr]

Quote: just explo

but about the fact that you will be patched up by the entire okrug if your lawn is not cut, I am generally silent, as I am silent about the fact that you can be stupidly closed for walking around YOUR own area, because it scares some neighbors.
I can tell a lot about the west

Oh, so tell all readers of VO it will be interesting. Only a good Russian language, otherwise it is incomprehensible that you express yourself. Inaudible somehow ... Now keep quiet, then want to say. One thing is necessary. Or be silent or speak. Or did you live there so long that you completely forgot your native language? Sorry, sorry ...

[Campanella]

Locally, everything is said correctly. There is a struggle between systems and views. This is normal, this is how life works. We respond to challenges and thus "adjust" the political agenda.
In real life, if you do not have "seething", then there is no life.
Therefore, the struggle is normal. The whole question is whether it can be waged in a gentlemanly manner, I'm afraid not. The quality of man himself over the millennia has not changed. There are good, there are bastards.
Therefore, the struggle is a given and manifestation of life, and everyone takes in it that position that corresponds to his worldview.

[1970mk]

If in the first line of nonsense "..Great Russia (USSR) with its unparalleled Victory over Hitler's" European Union "changed .." then you shouldn't read further. RF is not the USSR!

[Mcar]

Quote: 1970mk

If in the first line of nonsense "..Great Russia (USSR) with its unparalleled Victory over Hitler's" European Union "changed .." then you shouldn't read further. RF is not the USSR!

And the Russian Federation that once defeated Hitler's "European Union"?

How many people look in a book and see letters.

[Ross xnumx]

Eh ... The former communists, whose fathers made the tale come true, have completely forgotten that there are such people:

The only thing that so far leaves hope is that the mind will prevail over insanity and greed ...

[John]

it is either thin trolling of kvass ov with the ussr of the brain
or I'm just sorry for the author)

[EvilLion]

Again this schizophrenia went ...
But, apparently, it's nice to be at the head of all good things, against all bad things.

[nikvic46]

If Khrushchev admitted that all the old guard had "blood on their hands up to the elbows," then why was he elected to lead
country? Indeed, during the months of Malenkov’s reign, the Peasants began to receive real money instead of workdays. The development of virgin lands had an alternative. And our non-chernozem region would be an excellent support for the country.
Now they talk a lot about health and longevity. A society in which everyone will think only about
my health and how to live longer, I consider to be lost. In this society human
communication and health risks for the sake of another person’s life.

[DimerVladimer]

Soviet civilization of the future, socialist Russia-USSR. She built the world, the society of the future - knowledge, creation and service, on the basis of social justice and the domination of the ethics of conscience.

Along the way, dumping nuclear waste into rivers, poisoning our own population, not issuing passports to peasants - so that they would not run away to the city from collective farm slavery, but work hard for sticks, suppressing protests in occupied countries and imposing communist regimes in them - the arch humanistic picture of the world in the head of the master Samsonov - does not fit in with reality.

[Rey_ka]

but now it’s like heaven on earth?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Rey_ka

but now it’s like heaven on earth?

Let's put it this way - modern Russia is a much freer and much more prosperous country than the USSR - at least we have already forgotten about the commodity shortage and about food on cards, there are whole herds in the yards of cars and people freely ride abroad. So far, the only revived shortage that I personally constantly come across is some drugs produced abroad.

[strannik1985]

What does economics have to do with it? Under the same conditions (it doesn’t matter whether it’s the Iron Curtain or “peace, friendship, chewing gum”), the economy and finances of the USSR are better.

[Mcar]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

modern Russia is a much freer and much more prosperous country than the USSR

It depends on what you mean by prosperity.

If the number of billionaires and multimillionaires increases, there will certainly be prosperity. Prosperity of 0,1% of Russians.

But if you look at it objectively, then either an ignoramus or an enemy can talk about the prosperity of the Russian Federation. Clinical.

Do you really not know that over the past 18 years more than 70 thousand enterprises have been destroyed in the Russian Federation? This is not counting medicine, education, etc., where there is similar “prosperity”. Hitler smokes nervously around the corner.
Maybe you don’t know what place we are in the world? It's a disgrace - the Russian Federation is fighting for a place between Guadeloupe and Honduras!
http://rospisatel.ru/predprijatija.htm

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

at least we have already forgotten about the commodity shortage and about food rationing

Well, of course! Abroad will help us.

And don’t distort about the cards - they don’t paint. The power of the Soviets effectively ended in 1987, when various decrees were issued on cooperatives, etc. Moreover, Ryzhkov appeared on TV and told from what date, for which essential products, and by how much prices would be increased. The people reacted - the counters were empty.

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

people travel abroad freely

Well, of course, people, not penguins.

Reference: 72% of residents of the Russian Federation do not have foreign passports at all. 2% travel 3-1 times a year, 5% travel once a year, and 9% travel every 2-3 years.
So what difference does it make to me, as an average Russian, - they won’t let me see the red light district or I just don’t have the money for a ticket? And it’s so specific that I don’t even apply for a foreign passport in 72% of cases.

[Campanella]

Well, you have collected everything that our ideological enemies dumped on us. Everyone makes mistakes. I don’t want to justify the leaders of the USSR, there are many complaints against them. But name at least one ruler who did not make mistakes? We must understand that at the head of the communist idea lies a humanistic principle. And capitalism is the fixation of man’s bestial instincts. Yes, man is an animal, sometimes quite bloodthirsty, but life is probably good because it provides the opportunity to change, or at least creates the illusion of the possibility of this.

[strannik1985]

Apparently workers were imported from Mars in the first five-year plans, and not from agriculture. So think about it, is online booking good or bad? I haven't seen such a noise for a long time.

[Servisinzhener]

The article, as it is fashionable to say today, is hype. And its place is not in the history section, but in the opinion section.

[Servisinzhener]

But still, no matter what the actual cause of death was, this does not cancel the main mistake of Stalin as a ruler, in my opinion. He didn't take care of the receiver.

[strannik1985]

The Malenkov-Beria duumvirate took care of it. The successors lost in the behind-the-scenes struggle.

[Servisinzhener]

For the first time I hear that he left behind Malenkov and Beria as successors. But if so, then he made the wrong choice. Instead of participating in the behind-the-scenes struggle, they should have arrested and shot the rest of the possible contenders.

[tank64rus]

With whom to compare a traitor, even a typhus louse would refuse such a comparison - M. GORKY

[Nikolay R]

Rare nonsense

[Leonid Har]

What next? We need to develop the idea further.

[loaln]

Quote: Z.O.V.

“We are not dogs, we are communists!”

The statement is simply axiomatic.
But there is also a fair consequence of this axiom - its inverted meaning.
And practice shows that this is also true.
All the activities of the freaks and degenerates who perverted the activities of Stalin, for the entire period that passed after his death until the present day, consisted EXCLUSIVELY in finding a feeding trough and receiving a blessing from its OWNER.

[Forever so]

Let's not talk about the Fifth Column. Those who are interested in the history of the destruction of the USSR know that the little Andropov fulfilled the conditions of the Club of Rome and, together with the CIA, prepared a bourgeois coup, almost from the late 60s promoting anti-Soviet people to government positions, the same hunchbacked scum, Andropov’s creature. Yeltsin continued Andropov's activities. According to the terms of the Club of Rome, Russia was supposed to free itself from the outskirts. Well, as a result of the Belovezhskaya Sabbath, the RSFSR WITHDRAWN from the USSR, abandoning all the republics that did not want the destruction of the USSR. The West could not win in the confrontation with the USSR, today they are pouring lies into our ears about the oil needle, the USSR was already stable due to the fact that the WHOLE country was essentially a single plant. By the way, all the workshops of this plant worked on a cashless basis. And this plant coped with almost the entire world, while also giving money left and right. Power must be cleaned with lead every 10 years. Then society will be stable.