Artillery ammunition: increasing accuracy and range

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Reducing collateral damage, simplifying logistics, and reducing the time to strike a target are just three of the many benefits of guided ammunition.


The ceremony of Nammo presentation of its 155-mm Extreme Range projectile, equipped with a ramjet engine, increasing the flight range to 100 km. This projectile can be a factor that changes the rules of the game in artillery.



If you add a long range here, it is clear how valuable this type of projectile is for artillerymen and commanders. The main disadvantage is the cost of guided ammunition compared to unmanaged. However, it is not entirely correct to make a comparative assessment of individual projectiles. It is necessary to calculate the total cost of impact on the target, since in some situations it may be necessary to make significantly more shots with standard projectiles, not to mention the fact that the firing task may not be possible with unguided projectiles or shorter projectiles.


The Excalibur IB guided projectile is widely used in modern military operations. At the moment, more than 14000 such shells have been fired

Increasing accuracy

Currently, the main consumer of guided munitions are the US military. In combat operations, the army has shot thousands of such shells, in turn, the fleet also seeks to obtain such capabilities. Although some programs were closed due to cost problems, for example, an LNAP (Long Range Land Attack Projectile) XRUMX-mm projectile, designed specifically for firing from an Mk155 AGS (Advanced Gun System) cannon mounted on a Zumwalt class destroyer DDG 51 The American fleet, however, did not abandon attempts to find the guided projectile itself for AGS itself, as well as for its 1000-mm Mk127 guns.


The company BAE Systems is working on numerous programs in the field of artillery. Among them are High Velocity Projectile, which can be fired from rail cannons and standard guns.

The US Marine Corps is ready to launch the MTAR (Moving Target Artillery Round) program, which may begin in 2019 in order to deploy ammunition capable of hitting moving targets without a GPS signal at distances from 65 to 95 km. In the future, extended-range guided missiles will also remain in the interests of the US Army, which is launching the ERCA (Extended Range Cannon Artillery) program without replacing 39 barrels of 52 caliber with XNUMX caliber in their existing systems, which in combination with extended-range projectiles will double their current long range.

Meanwhile, Europe is also following these trends, and while many companies are developing long-range projectiles and projectiles, European armies are looking at these munitions with interest, and some expect to put them into service soon.

It would be right to start with the most widespread 155-mm Excalibur projectile, because in combat they were shot over 14000 pieces. According to Raytheon, Excalibur IB, currently mass-produced, retains the characteristics of the original projectile while reducing the number of components and cost, and showed reliability over 96%, even in challenging urban areas providing 4 meter accuracy at maximum distances of almost 40 km when shooting from tools length 39 calibers. In the 2019 budget for the year, the army asked for money to buy Excalibur 1150 shells.

Artillery ammunition: increasing accuracy and range

A PGK (Precision Guidance Kit) development kit from Orbital ATK is screwed onto an 155-mm artillery shell instead of a fuse, the GPS system and nasal rudders make it highly accurate

Dual Mode Homing Heads

Although the current version is a bestseller, Raytheon is far from resting on its laurels. By improving its systems, the company is close to identifying new solutions that can cope with more complex scenarios and new threats. GPS signal jamming was tested in several directions, resulting in a new version of the projectile with improved anti-jamming capabilities and dual-mode guidance. The new Excalibur S ammunition will be guided both by GPS signals and by means of a homing head (GOS) with laser semi-active homing. The company is discussing with its potential customers its final configuration, with specific deadlines not yet called.

Another dual-mode version is being developed with guidance on the final segment of the trajectory. He does not yet have a name, however, according to Raytheon, in terms of the degree of development, he is not far behind the “S” variant. Also considered a variant with multimode GOS. Guidance is not the only component that can develop. The army set out to dramatically increase the range of its barreled artillery, in connection with which Raytheon is working on advanced propulsion systems, including bottom gas generators; in addition, new combat units, for example, anti-tank, are on the agenda. This could be a response to the already mentioned MTAR Marine Corps project. As for the US Navy, in the summer of 2018, another demonstration firing of the 127-mm version of the Excalibur N5, compatible with the Mk45, was conducted. The fleet requires a range of 26 nautical miles (48 km), but the company is confident that they will be able to reach or even exceed this figure.

Raytheon is looking at the export market with interest, although the possible orders here will be substantially less than in the USA. Excalibur is currently being tested with several 155-mm artillery systems: PzH200, Arthur, G6, M109L47 and K9. In addition, Raytheon is working on its compatibility with Caesar and Krab SAUs.


Recently, the Nexter's Spacido programmable aerodynamic brake qualification has been completed to significantly improve accuracy.

No data is available on the number of 155-mm ammunition equipped with the Orbital ATK’s (M1156 PGK Precision Guidance Kit) precision precision guidance kit (now Northrop Grumman) and used in combat. Although the first production batch was released in February of this year, over 25000 of these screw-on systems based on GPS guidance was manufactured. Two months later, the Department of Defense issued to Orbital ATK a contract for 146 million dollars for revision of the projectiles, which allows PGK to be extended to April 2021.

PGK is screwed onto the projectile instead of the standard fuse, a GPS antenna (SAASM - Selectively Available Anti-Spoofing Module, anti-interference module with selective accessibility) is integrated in the nose, four small fixed oblique nose stabilizers and a remote fuse are installed behind it. Programming is performed using the EPIAFS manual fuse installer (Enhanced Portable Inductive Artillery Fuse-Setter - an improved portable induction artillery fuse installer), the same device is connected to a computer when programming an Excalibur projectile.


Using its experience in the development of PGK and sniper ammunition, Orbital ATK is developing the PGK-Aft 127-mm naval shell, since the targeting element is installed in its tail section (English, Aft)

The shells are bigger and better

Based on its experience with the PGK, Orbital ATK is currently developing a 127mm projectile fleet on guided ammunition for the Mk45 gun. The company, on an initiative basis, wants to demonstrate to the fleet the capabilities of the new PKG-Aft shell with regard to accuracy and range.

Some details are known about this device, but the name, for example, suggests that it is installed not in the nose, but in the tail section (aft -tail) of the projectile, while the technology for overcoming overloads in the gun barrel is taken directly from the PGK system. The basis of this solution with a tailing guidance device was taken from a study conducted by ATK in conjunction with the DARPA Office for the 12,7 x 99 mm EXASTO cartridge (Extreme Accuracy Tasked Ordnance - the ultimate accuracy cartridge). The tail element will also have a rocket engine, which will increase the range to the required 26 nautical miles, and a homing engine with guidance in the final part of the trajectory will ensure accuracy of less than one meter. There is no information on the type of GOS, but the company stated that "PGK-Aft supports various advanced GOS and firing tasks of firing direct and indirect fire with all calibers without major modifications of the gun system." The new projectile is also equipped with an advanced warhead with ready-hit elements. In December, 2017, the company Orbital ATK, conducted successful combat shooting of the PGK-Aft 155-mm prototypes and is currently developing an 127-mm high-precision projectile with the PGK-Aft kit.

BAE Systems is working on a PGK-M (Precision Guidance Kit-Modernized) suite, aiming to improve maneuvering qualities while improving anti-jamming capabilities. The latter is achieved through GPS-based navigation in combination with a stabilized rotation pointing unit and an antenna system. According to the company, the circular probable deviation (CEP) is less than 10 meters, the projectile can hit targets at high angles of attack. After completing more than 200 tests, the projectile is at the stage of developing subsystems. In January, 2018, BAE Systems received a contract to finalize this kit to the serial sample. The PGK-M kit is fully compatible with 155 mm M795 and M549X1 munitions and M109X7 and M777X2 artillery systems.


In the future, the second member, Katana Mk2a, equipped with wings that will double its range, will appear in the Nexter Katana family; however, the laser-guided version will be developed only after the military has filed an application

Aboard the american cruisers

After the decision to close the project on the LRLAP (Long Range Land Attack Projectile) projectile created for the AGS (Advanced Gun System) 155-mm gun mount, it turned out that no projectile is suitable for this gun without modification. In June, 2017, the company BAE Systems and Leonardo announced cooperation in the field of new high-precision systems based on new modifications of the Vulcano family for various weapon systems, including AGS and Mc45 ship guns. The memorandum of understanding between the two companies provides for the development of all artillery systems, but each under a separate agreement. At the moment, an agreement on two ship guns has been signed, but in the long term, ground systems, for example, M109 and M777, may become part of the agreement. In the summer of this year, the BAE-Leonardo group conducted firing from the Mk45 cannon with a Vulcano GLR GPS / IMU projectile to demonstrate their compatibility. The US Navy has a need for precision-guided munitions and is very interested in long-range projectiles, and the Vulcano projectiles meet both of these requirements.

The Vulcano family is close to completing the qualification process, conducted in parallel for naval and ground ammunition, respectively, caliber 127 mm and 155 mm. In accordance with the intergovernmental agreement between Germany and Italy on the managed option and the Diehl Defense semi-active gos integration solution from Diehl Defense, the GLR (Guided Long Range) variant qualification process is funded equally by the two companies, while the unmanaged BER (Ballistic Extended Range) option is funded entirely by Italy. All operational tests have been completed successfully and Vulcano ammunition is currently undergoing safety tests, which should be completed by the end of 2018. Meanwhile, the company Leonardo began production of the installation batch, which will prepare for mass production and adopt the final configuration of the projectiles. The launch of full-scale production is scheduled for the start of 2019.


Leonardo has developed for the 127-mm and 155-mm cannons a family of Vulcano extended-range guided munitions that are in the final stage of qualification

In 2017, the 127-mm Vulcano GLR was fired from a modified 127 / 54 gun onboard the Italian ship; and at the beginning of 2018, the projectile was shot from a new 127 / 64 LW gun mounted on the FREMM frigate. For the first time, this projectile was fed from a ship magazine of a revolving type into a gun-mounted unit, programmed with an induction coil built into the gun, to which data from the ship’s combat control system were fed; thus, full system integration was demonstrated. As for the ground version, these shells were shot from the self-propelled howitzer PzH2000, programming was done by means of a portable unit. At the moment, Germany is not seeking to integrate this system into the PzH2000 howitzer, since a certain refinement of the semi-automatic loader system is required. In Italy, shells were also tested with a FH-70 155 / 39 towed howitzer.

The increase in the range of Vulcano projectiles is realized by means of a subcaliber solution; a pallet sealing the projectile in the barrel was used. The fuse can be installed in four modes: shock, delayed, temporary and air disruption. BER shells can shoot at a range of more than 60 km, while GLR shells can fly 85 km when firing 127-mm cannon and 70 km when firing 155-mm / 52-caliber guns (55 km from 155 / XNX) In the nose of the projectile GLR set fuse, then four steering surfaces, correcting the trajectory of the projectile, followed by a block GPS / IMU. Projectiles for ship guns can be equipped with an infrared GOS, while shells fired at ground targets are equipped with a semi-active laser GOS. These heads slightly increase the aerodynamic resistance, minimizing the range to a minimum. Although at the moment the configuration is actually accepted and the tests confirmed the predicted range and accuracy, Leonardo is working to reduce the laser-guided output of the laser-guided version under an additional contract and is confident that it will cope with the new requirements. This revision will be accepted for all Vulcano projectiles; the company expects to produce one version of the projectile with a semi-active seeker.

In addition to Italy and Germany, the Netherlands has an observer status in the Vulcano projectile program, and several other potential customers, including South Korea and Australia, are considering buying them. Recently, the Slovak company Konstrukta-Defense has signed a cooperation agreement with Leonardo to promote Vulcano ammunition and integrate it with its artillery systems, for example, Zuzana 2 155 / 52.


TopGun high-precision artillery blaster developed by Israel Aerospace Industries

Nexter goes to the 3-world

Nexter Ammunition has begun an evolutionary program in the field of 155 mm ammunition, which provides for the development of elements of ammunition manufactured by 3D printing. The first step was a high-precision projectile Bonus. Spacido path correction kit was the next step. In the summer of this year, the company said that all the shooting was successful, the qualification was completed and it was left to issue certification documents.

Spacido spin-on instead of fuse is an aerodynamic brake that reduces error in range. A small Doppler radar checks the initial speed and controls the first part of the trajectory, the radio frequency channel provides data transmission to Spacido, whose computer decides when the brake should turn, reducing scattering by three times. In fact, although the Spacido device, which is protected from interference, costs twice as much, it can significantly reduce the consumption of projectiles and fire at targets that are in close proximity to their forces.

At Eurosatory 2018, Nexter announced a new family of high-precision, extended-range 155-mm artillery shells, called the Katana. The development of new shells was carried out under the Menhir program, which was announced in June 2016. It was launched in response to customer needs for increased accuracy and range. First of all, the French army needs precision for what it calls "urban artillery." The shell under the designation Katana Mk1 in the bow has four rigidly fixed wings, followed by four corrective steering wheel, connected to the block IMU-GPS guidance. All wings, including tail rudders, unfold after leaving the barrel projectile. Currently, the projectile is at the stage of technological development. The first shooting was carried out under the control of the Office of Defense Procurement. The goal of this program is to provide the army with a guided projectile with a KVO of less than 10 meters and a range of 30 km when shooting from a barrel of 52 caliber length. According to the schedule, the Katana Mk1 projectile should appear on the market in two years. The second step will be to increase the range to 60 km, this will be achieved by adding a set of folding wings, the location of which could be seen on the model, exhibited at Eurosatory. They will provide lifting force at the descent section, which will double the range. Nexter intends to surpass the capabilities of other competitors projectiles regarding the combination of range and warhead, but at a lower cost set in 60 thousand euros. The projectile, designated Katana Mk2a, will be available around 2022. After two years, when the need arises, Nexter will be able to develop an 155-mm laser-guided projectile Katana Mk2b with a meter QUO.


In addition to increasing range and targeting, Nexter also develops new combat units using new materials and 3D printing

Nexter is also working on warhead technology using 3D printing and aluminum material consisting of nylon filled with aluminum dust. This will allow you to control the radius of damage in the event of a shelling of a target in close proximity to its forces. The companies today have begun research on opto-pyrotechnic technologies in order to control the initiation of an explosion through optical fiber; All these studies are still at the initial stage and will not be included in the Katana projectile program.

Israel Aerospace Industries is ready to complete the development of its TopGun artillery blaster. A screw-on system that performs trajectory correction at two coordinates reduces the CEP of a conventional projectile to less than 20 meters. The range with such a fuse is 40 km when firing from a gun with a barrel length 52 caliber, guidance is carried out by the block INS-GPS. The program is currently at the qualification stage.


Nammo has qualified its extended ammunition family. The first customer was Finland, which will soon begin their tests at its K9 Thunder 155 / 52 ACS.

On the Norwegian side

The Norwegian company Nammo recently signed the first contract for its extended-range 155-mm artillery. Based on their rich experience, they developed a special module-bottom gas generator. At the same time, the processes of production of small-caliber high-precision ammunition were used in order to minimize the deviations of the material and form, which, as a result, entails minimizing changes in the air flow and the distribution of mass.

The program was partially funded by the Norwegian Defense Property Authority, but Finland became the first customer to sign a contract in August of 2017, the execution of which will be shooting tests scheduled for the 2019 year. Compared with standard 155-mm projectiles, an insensitive high-explosive fragmentation projectile can fly 40 km when shooting from a barrel with a caliber of length 52. Nammo is waiting for an order from the Norwegian army.


Close view of a 155-mm projectile with Nammo Extreme Range ramjet engine. The key component in it is an aerodynamic propulsion system and therefore no sensors are installed in the nose of the projectile.

The company Nammo decided to use a radically new technology, integrating a straight-through jet engine in the 155-mm projectile program Extreme Range. The ramjet engine, or ramjet engine, is the simplest jet engine, since it uses forward motion to compress incoming air without engaging an axial or centrifugal compressor; there are no moving parts in this engine. The required minimum initial speed is 2,5-2,6 Mach numbers, and the standard 155-mm projectile leaves the barrel with a 52 caliber at a speed of approximately 3 Mach number. The ramjet engine is, by its nature, a self-regulating engine, maintaining a constant speed regardless of flight altitude. The speed of the order of 3 Mach is maintained for about 50 seconds, while the thrust is provided by the fuel NTR3 (concentrated hydrogen peroxide) with additives. Thus, the range of the projectile with a ramjet increases to more than 100 km, which turns the artillery gun into a much more flexible and versatile system. Nammo plans to conduct the first ballistic tests at the end of 2019 and the beginning of 2020. Since the result of the increase in range is an increase in the QUO in 10 times, Nammo together with a partner company is working in parallel on the guidance system of this projectile based on the GPS / INS module. In this case, no homing device can be installed in the nose, the principle of operation of the ramjet engine is aerodynamic and, therefore, the air intake device is simply necessary for its operation. The projectile is compatible with the JBMOU L155 (Joint Ballistic Memorandum of Understanding - Joint Ballistic Memorandum) 52 protocol. It identifies a typical air intake device in the nose with a central cone, four front stabilizers and four curved tail wings that unfold when the projectile leaves the barrel. The warhead of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, the number of explosives will be reduced compared with a standard 155-mm projectile. The company Nammo said that the mass of explosives "will be about the same as in the 120-mm projectile." The projectile will be used on fixed targets, on ground defense facilities, radars, command posts, etc., the flight time will be of the order of a few minutes. In accordance with the requirements of the Norwegian Armed Forces, Nammo plans to begin mass production of this projectile in the 2024-2025 year.


The Expal 155 ER02A1 projectile has been adopted by the Spanish Army. It can be equipped either with a tapering tail section or with a bottom gas generator, which provide a range of 30 and 40 km, respectively, when firing from a barrel of 52 caliber

At Eurosatory, Expal Systems confirmed the signing of an agreement to supply extended-range 155-mm ammunition. The ERNNUMXA155 02-mm projectile can be equipped either with a module with a tapering tail section or with a bottom gas generator, which provide a range of 1 and 30 km, respectively, when firing from a barrel of 40 caliber. The high-explosive fragmentation variant, developed jointly with the Spanish army, was qualified in contrast to the lighting and smoke options, which are yet to be in the process. The agreement also includes the newly developed EC-52 electronic fuze with three modes: shock, timer and delayed. In accordance with the operational needs of the Spanish army, Expal will supply new projectiles and fuses for them in the next five years.

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  1. +6
    26 October 2018 04: 59
    Thank you, it’s very interesting to describe the combat use of these shells since the time of ancient Copperhead.
    1. +1
      26 October 2018 11: 49
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      ... combat use of these shells, since the time of ancient Copperhead.
      M712 Copperhead - 155mm guided laser-guided projectile designed to hit point targets, such as tanks, howitzers or other expensive targets ... hi
      Raytheon M982 Excalibur is widely used in modern military operations.
  2. +3
    26 October 2018 05: 48
    And where about "Centimeter"?
    1. +3
      26 October 2018 09: 04
      And where about "Centimeter"?

      The article is translated, and numerous repetitions and dilution of the text are the corporate identity of VO, obviously pay per line)))
    2. +2
      26 October 2018 09: 55
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      And where about "Centimeter"?

      The museum is probably where Copperhead is about.
    3. +4
      26 October 2018 12: 01
      Quote: Ilya_Nsk
      And where about "Centimeter"?
      High-precision guided missile "Krasnopol" - combat use of "Krasnopol" ammunition. The Ministry of Defense has published a video of artillery firing with modernized Krasnopol shells. The exercises of the troops of the Western Military District were held at the Luga training ground ... 2 Mar. 2018 year .... recourse
      ... Krasnopol is a highly accurate guided projectile, the caliber of which is 152 and 155 mm, equipped with a jet engine and a homing head. The accuracy of the hit is at least 95%, the Ministry of Defense said. hi
      On January 12, the ministry announced the destruction by the Krasnopol shell of a warehouse where Syrian terrorists collected and stored combat drones ... soldier
  3. +2
    26 October 2018 06: 15
    Extreme Range, equipped with a ramjet engine, increasing flight range up to 100 km.


    Decently what it is now possible without entering the zone of enemy fire without harming oneself to thrash against targets in the depths of its defense.
    1. +3
      26 October 2018 08: 35
      it is now possible without entering the zone of enemy fire without harming oneself to thrash against targets in the depths of its defense.

      This is if the enemy type of barmaley. With equal technical progress among the warring parties, you also risk getting a punishing answer :))
    2. +7
      26 October 2018 08: 57
      Aha 8))) And if the enemy does not fool around, and for each of your super-duper shells for the same money rivets 5-10 missiles having the same range and accuracy, but at the same time an order of magnitude more powerful warhead?
      Few more stupid things exist than long-range guided missiles for the barrel artillery. 8)))
      1. +3
        26 October 2018 09: 34
        There are few more stupid things than long-range guided missiles for barrel artillery

        I completely agree with one exception - those with GPS screwed into conventional shells will work well against barmalei conventional range)) It is not clear how they are controlled with fixed planes, perhaps the whole head is deflected. Clarification of such issues is apparently not part of the responsibilities. translator.
        1. +3
          26 October 2018 12: 17
          Quote: anzar
          ... maybe the whole head is tilted.

          hi ...And there is.
        2. +6
          26 October 2018 12: 39
          In the same way that uncontrolled bombs are converted into controlled bombs, a nozzle with wings is screwed. There are no more FABs in the IDF. No and NUR. Artillery shells have the same fate.
          More expensive, but saves time on destroying the target. And, of course, the number of shells (bombs, missiles).
          The principle is the same everywhere - auto-correction on the final section of the trajectory.
          1. 0
            26 October 2018 17: 58
            There are no more FABs in the IDF. No and NUR. Artillery shells have the same fate.


            So the IDF and the enemy do not, as in the Kursk Bulge. There, the density of artillery per kilometer and the rate of fire, plus the "barrage" were such that the Fritzes had no chance of surviving in the trenches. And figurines - sat and rested, until they received a butt in the head. In those conditions that are smart, that stupid bombs and shells are the same. The main thing is bigger and thicker. I do not argue, a couple of pieces for a hundred ordinary ones will come in handy. But you can't replace it. It just won't work because of targeting. The question will be different. Not to fly through the window, but to plow the entire ten hectare high-rise building.
            1. +7
              26 October 2018 19: 28
              "There the density of artillery per kilometer and the rate of fire, plus the" barrage "were such that the Fritzes did not seem to have a chance to survive in the trenches. And the figurines sat and resisted" ////
              ----
              Well, you yourself have explained why precise artillery and guided shells are needed. 90% of the shells during the massive artillery barrage were "in milk". There are many breaks and the effect is low. Therefore the Fritzes sat and rested. And the infantry had to pick them out with heavy losses from the pillboxes, which the artillerymen could not destroy.
              Now you can make one shot. From one howitzer. And get with a break in the middle of the bunker cap.
      2. +3
        26 October 2018 10: 05
        Quote: Spade
        if the enemy doesn’t foolishly, and for each of your super-duper shells for the same money rivets 5-10 missiles having the same range and accuracy

        If - and that’s it. Can you name a z-z rocket with similar characteristics for 25-50 thousand US dollars?
        1. +5
          26 October 2018 10: 28
          Quote: Puncher
          Can you name a z-z rocket with similar characteristics for 25-50 thousand US dollars?

          Your interlocutor is partly right. In fact, in the case of modern US systems, the question is posed as follows: what is cheaper, electronics and plane drives that can withstand artillery overloads, or solid propellants that can throw a device at the same range. I will add that the mass of the warhead of this device will be significantly less than the mass of the projectile, with the same "stuffing".

          On the other hand, the shells are also getting cheaper, the same M982A1, they say, is already in the 10K region, close, say, to a much less effective guided Hydra. Nevertheless, progress in electronics is more noticeable than in hardware. On the other hand, a missile warhead can be made much more sophisticated: artillery, most likely, cannot be used for a long time against moving targets.
        2. +1
          26 October 2018 12: 33
          Quote: Puncher
          25-50 thousand US dollars?

          And where are such ridiculous prices?
          1. 0
            26 October 2018 21: 48
            Quote: Spade
            And where are such ridiculous prices?

            So I'm about the same, the shell is cheaper.
    3. +2
      26 October 2018 09: 16
      ... without prejudice to hitting goals deep down ...

      As without prejudice, you are on prices look :))) In general, a major drawback of such analyzes is the lack of prices, at best they compare the solution of a firing task from the same installation with conventional shells. But if we compare it with missiles guided on the same principles (say MLRS or Tornado) and adding the price of self-propelled guns, it turns out that the "miracle shells" lose a lot.
      1. 0
        26 October 2018 09: 58
        Quote: anzar
        As without prejudice, you look at prices :)))

        If you want to fight for free, then use digging sticks and stones.
        Quote: anzar
        But if we compare it with missiles guided on the same principles (say MLRS or Tornado) and adding the price of self-propelled guns, it turns out that the "miracle shells" lose a lot.

        And in what?
        1. +1
          26 October 2018 10: 36
          If you want to fight for free...

          What kind of trolling? "Cheaper" also means "more", if for NATO the relevance of this is lower, then for Russia ... even the very possibility of producing such GOS that can withstand huge accelerations when fired is relevant.
          ... then use digging sticks and stones.

          This is also used, what did the sophisticated army of the Iranian Shah do in 1978? Or Egyptian in 2011?
          And in what?

          The reader and the thinker will see what is written, in price, but there is also efficiency (caliber) and range ...
          1. +2
            26 October 2018 11: 55
            Quote: anzar
            in price

            And why do you think that high cost is an unacceptable disadvantage? Modern ammunition is a priori more expensive than obsolete. If we need a weapon that better fulfills the task, then be prepared to fork out. MiG 21 is more expensive than MiG 15, which in turn is more expensive than MiG 3, does this mean that the creation of the MiG 29 was not justified?
            If you raise the question in terms of cost-effectiveness, then you can determine for yourself. The task is to soak in the toilet of the leader (favorite goal of the videoconferencing). Intelligence gave the coordinates of the toilet, 25 km to it. You can call the aircraft, but as long as it arrives the leader will do his filthy job and hide. Your battery can get a bastard, but at such a distance there will be maximum dispersion and therefore you need to make 10 volleys with 4 guns (for example, most likely much more), while getting into the toilet is not guaranteed. Most likely you will destroy several houses, kill several non-combatants, and the leader after the first break will dive into the cesspool and remain alive, albeit stinking ... Or you will spend a couple of Excalibur shells worth 250 thousand US dollars and with a high probability mixed inside of the leader with the contents of the toilet. Expensive? Undoubtedly. Worth it? Yes.
            1. +4
              26 October 2018 12: 15
              Quote: Puncher
              Expensive? Undoubtedly. Worth it? Yes.

              Unfortunately, you do not consider psychology. The Americans faced this with the example of Javelin.

              If you have a cheap solution (mortar) and an expensive one (Javeline), but more effective, then the first thing to do is use Javeline. Because the taxpayer will not become impoverished, but there is only one life. Even if the target is a machine gunner, for example, it doesn't require such bells and whistles even close. Likewise, if there are those and those shells in the ammunition load, the first thing they do is release expensive ones - they are better. As a result, the cost of hostilities rises sharply, since the most effective and most expensive weapon is chosen for any purpose. Our favorite genre is "Pickup Tomahawk".

              In the case of grenade launchers, Americans have long been looking for some thing that will wean the infantry from firing javelins at sparrows. So far this is Carl Gustav. What will come up with shells will be seen.
              1. +4
                26 October 2018 12: 29
                Emnip, Tsekhanovich’s was in his memoirs, as his division in Chechnya beat guerrillas at each firing point with guided missiles. Yes, one rocket is like the Volga, but the lives of soldiers are more expensive. But it was possible, like everything, to be fired with conventional shells, with much less effect.
            2. +1
              26 October 2018 13: 06
              Or you’ll spend a couple of Excalibur shells worth 250 thousand US dollars and with a high probability ...

              Colleagues Punch (and STAVER too), why are you, as "analysts" again about the comparison of ART. shells (managed and regular)? It was compared with the ROCKETS (MLRS or Tornado) and about LARGE distances! For which for art. shells come up with as many direct-flow tanks as possible! Which in caliber 155mm eat up too much space for explosives. All the trickery (and the price!) For delivering at best an analog of a 122mm projectile at 60-100km?
              And in the upper example, the keyword is "Reconnaissance gave out the coordinates ..." If it is against the barmaley, and at 25 km, it is good if it eats loitering drones at 500 km. I wonder when they will get to the REB?
              1. +1
                26 October 2018 22: 08
                Quote: anzar
                It was compared with the MISSILE (MLRS or Tornado)

                MLRS limited in the amount of ammunition loaded in launchers, followed by a lengthy reloading operation. At MLRS the only full-time guided munition is the ATACMS missile, worth $ 2,3 million and a range of 250 km. As it is not commensurate with the same Esalibur. Now they are creating Long Range Precision Fires with a range of 500 km., Which is also from the wrong opera.
                Quote: anzar
                All the trickery (and the price!) For delivering at best an analog of a 122mm projectile at 60-100km?

                So the goals are different, the wider the range of ammunition, the greater the choice for use. It's like with a tool, you can hammer furniture cloves with a sledgehammer, but better with a small hammer ...
                Quote: anzar
                If against the barmalei, and at 25km it’s good, if at 500km it’s eating drones.

                This is again from the series "what do we have at hand", if the drone is in the air and has something to cook, then of course yes, but if it is not there at the right time? If it is 30 km. from the desired place, then while it reaches the information will become outdated. Again, having a choice is very good.
            3. +2
              27 October 2018 20: 33
              The high cost of war is always an unacceptable flaw. Example of WWII, T 34 and tigers, leopards, etc.
              1. +1
                27 October 2018 23: 50
                Quote: evgeny68
                Example WWII, T 34 and tigers

                The tiger cost 250K Reichsmarks without radio and weapons, the T-34 - 250-300K rubles in a set in the 41st year. HF - 560K rub. The exchange rate of the ruble to the mark is approximately 2: 1.
                Four cost less than 100K marks, Panther - about 120K.

                Welcome to the magical world of knowledge.
                1. +1
                  28 October 2018 00: 50
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  The tiger cost 250K Reichsmarks without radio and weapons

                  That is, about 500K rubles WITHOUT the main filling, without which it does not make sense to consider the cost ...
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2018 07: 47
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    That is approximately 500K

                    Yeah. Like HF.
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    without which it doesn’t make sense to consider cost ...

                    The four's butt was 8K, EMNIP. The tiger cannon is about 30K, but this is not accurate. You can find out for yourself if you're interested.
                    1. 0
                      28 October 2018 17: 48
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      The tiger cannon is about 30K, but this is not accurate. You can find out for yourself if you're interested.

                      And also a walkie-talkie ...

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Yeah. Like HF.

                      Well, HF could not produce enough ...
                      1. 0
                        28 October 2018 20: 57
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        And also a walkie-talkie ...

                        Not to the mice.

                        The idea of ​​the post, I hope, is clear.
                      2. 0
                        28 October 2018 23: 48
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        The idea of ​​the post, I hope, is clear.

                        The idea is simple and clear, only the biggest such devil with such big horns is, as always, in the smallest details ...
  4. +1
    26 October 2018 07: 45
    Good article!
  5. +3
    26 October 2018 09: 15
    Who did not have time, he was late ... however, all this works in conjunction with everything else!
    War is getting smarter, but also more expensive, significantly!
    Also, this is no longer a fashion, not a glimpse of warrior and design Wishlist, it will soon be a vital necessity!
    1. +1
      26 October 2018 18: 07
      On the contrary, in connection with the cheapening of computer chips along with electronic accelerometers (instead of gyroscopes), GPS receivers and sensors of reflected laser radiation, high-precision war is becoming cheaper every year.
      1. +1
        26 October 2018 19: 56
        Quote: Operator
        On the contrary, in connection with the cheapening of computer chips along with electronic accelerometers (instead of gyroscopes), GPS receivers and sensors of reflected laser radiation, high-precision war is becoming cheaper every year.

        Undoubtedly, the gadgets themselves become cheaper, with mass production, improved technology! But gadgets, devices, maintenance personnel, all of which are setting up and operating, are becoming more.
        Somewhere cheaper, in many places arrives and rises in price !!!
        War is getting expensive!
        You look at the budgets of countries, are they decreasing ???
  6. +2
    26 October 2018 11: 31
    At Eurosatory 2018, Nammo introduced a new concept of rocket artillery ammunition, which will allow any country with a modern 155 mm artillery system to deliver high-precision strikes against targets at a distance of more than 100 km ... hi
  7. +1
    26 October 2018 12: 34
    Leonardo has developed for the 127-mm and 155-mm guns the Vulcano family of guided ammunition with an increased range, which are at the last stage of qualification ...

    ... From myself, I’ll add Bofors 57mm (BAE Systems) hi
  8. -1
    26 October 2018 15: 02
    Eat, an exhibition, how IPhones sell, and this is a presentation of an even more effective death.

    People, stop!

    stop
  9. +2
    26 October 2018 16: 04
    ... in the U.S. Army’s area of ​​interest, which is launching the ERCA (Extended Range Cannon Artillery) program, which doesn’t replace the existing 39-caliber barrel systems with 52-caliber barrels ...

    I believe that the regular gun barrels on the M109A7 were assembled to change. I'm not sure that the new 6-roller chassis from Bradley, replacing the native 7-roller M109, will like it.
  10. 0
    26 October 2018 19: 07
    Increasing the range and accuracy of artillery ammunition and missiles, 3D printing of projectile elements is a normal modern trend in the development of military equipment. So it should be, we are also moving in this direction.
    I want to say this:
    Currently, the world's leading powers are developing rapidly active defense systems (KAZs) of armored vehicles. The development of KAZs is with varying success, but Russia is still in the lead. In 5-10 years, active defense will reach the level that 90% or more of shells and missiles (conventional figures) will be lost on approach to the target. Those. it turns out that an expensive projectile flies 100 km and is shot down on approach, the efficiency is zero. We already need to think about how to miniaturize and integrate electronic warfare systems into the projectiles and missiles of ATGM systems that destroy the guidance systems of KAZ vehicles, maybe a dazzle laser guidance system, smoke protection, etc. Maybe it will be a highly specialized accompanying projectile / rocket with a given area of ​​destruction of electronics, which does not have to get into the enemy’s armored vehicles. Of course, such shells will be very expensive, but modern tanks with KAZs are by no means cheap toys. The game is worth the candle.
    In general, I would like to see a good article at the VO with figures, facts, analytics and prospects, which developments in Russia and in the world are being conducted on the topic of counteracting KAZs.
  11. 0
    26 October 2018 20: 08
    Quote: rocket757
    You look at the budgets of countries, what are they decreasing?

    Inflation, however.

    Now half a liter of vodka costs 36000 kopecks, and once it cost 362 kopecks laughing
    1. +2
      26 October 2018 22: 09
      Quote: Operator
      Now half a liter of vodka costs 36000 kopecks, and once it cost 362 kopecks

      You forgot three zeros, artificially deleted them, but in fact they are ...
  12. 0
    27 October 2018 09: 30
    Quote: san4es
    Quote: Ilya_Nsk
    And where about "Centimeter"?
    High-precision guided missile "Krasnopol" - combat use of "Krasnopol" ammunition. The Ministry of Defense has published a video of artillery firing with modernized Krasnopol shells. The exercises of the troops of the Western Military District were held at the Luga training ground ... 2 Mar. 2018 year .... recourse
    ... Krasnopol is a highly accurate guided projectile, the caliber of which is 152 and 155 mm, equipped with a jet engine and a homing head. The accuracy of the hit is at least 95%, the Ministry of Defense said. hi
    On January 12, the ministry announced the destruction by the Krasnopol shell of a warehouse where Syrian terrorists collected and stored combat drones ... soldier

    And why shoot single, immediately battery in any way?
  13. +2
    28 October 2018 07: 59
    Quote: voyaka uh
    ... Therefore, the Fritz sat and rested. And the infantry had to pick them up with heavy losses from the bunkers, which the gunners could not destroy.
    Now you can make one shot. From one howitzer. And get with a break in the middle of the bunker cap.

    And this is because there was no PAN in the infantry, i.e. spotters. The same guys will be needed today to slam the laser beam into the bunker cap.
    1. 0
      28 October 2018 13: 40
      Most of these guys had to die heroically.
      And many simply could not get to the place from which it was possible to make artillery fire adjustments.
      Instead, the coordinates of the bunker on GPS or GLONASS are recorded in the GNS database of bombs or artillery shells.
      A laser backlight (if necessary) produce drones.
      1. 0
        28 October 2018 17: 44
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Instead, the coordinates of the bunker on GPS or GLONASS are recorded in the GNS database of bombs or artillery shells.

        To enter the coordinates, they must first be scouted and mapped, for this, in particular, in all armies of the world there are PAN-advanced artillery observers. For example, your closest US ally has advanced observers in the communications platoons of heavy and light infantry battles, which, for example, are in Amer. motorized infantry can be attached to each platoon to adjust the same 120 mm battalion mortars. But there is a bat-and-gun and a platoon of artillery fire control on the BM M7 Bradley-FIST-in the heavy., Or on the HMMWV 4x4-in the light, of course with the LDC on board.
        According to the known coordinates of only stationary objects, for example, residential buildings, as the "valiant" Ukrainian army does, it will not work to shoot in a full-scale war, there will be few static targets, and partisan formations too (drones will quickly run out). I suppose you watch a lot of commercials and brochures from weapon manufacturers (I suspect, from a database with a desert or sea background).
        1. 0
          28 October 2018 17: 50
          "All armies of the world have PAN-forward artillery observers" ////
          ----
          They are still there, but it is an endangered species. Relic of the 2nd World War. They are everywhere replaced by drones. And these PANs are turning into drone operators. It is drones that detect firing points, bunkers and put them on digital maps.
          1. 0
            28 October 2018 18: 25
            Interestingly, not all drones are all-weather, all-day and bullet-resistant "angels", their payload does not allow them to have a gyro-stabilized platform with sufficiently powerful (10x-zoom-minimum) IR and TV cameras and LDC + flight IR forward-looking camera, This is especially true for hand-launched UAVs (only a TV camera), just at the company level and below. These are useful only at extremely low altitudes (up to 200 m) and then on a clear day.
            In short, UAVs are only good for special operations and individual missions in local conflicts against a weak default enemy.
            ... But, stay with your opinion.
          2. +1
            28 October 2018 21: 17
            Quote: voyaka uh
            It is drones that detect firing points, bunkers and put them on digital maps.

            Partners have another solution.
            Reconnaissance is required mainly for moving purposes. As for bunkers, commercial Submeter resolution satellites pass every few hours. Groupings SkySat, DigitalGlobe, BlackSky and others. This we leave behind the brackets of the monsters of the Cold War KH-11, which technically resemble the Hubble telescope looking at the Earth.

            So, regarding the goals with constant geographical coordinates, the Americans and their allies have no particular problems.
  14. +1
    29 October 2018 19: 18
    Relic of the 2nd World War.

    IDF has never fought in the European theater of war (with front lines thousands of kilometers wide and many tens of kilometers in depth) and in Southeast Asia, probably from this misunderstanding that some objects in forests and jungles can only be found from the ground. For example, the same camouflaged bunkers (for example, the Mannerheim line, etc.), cave caches (Tora-Bora, Afghanistan), dugouts and tunnels (Vietnam). Without knowing in advance the coordinates of such objects (or entrances) from the satellite, it is not possible to detect by chance, and knowing that the satellites can only do additional exploration.
    Like it or not, you can’t do without the work of scouts (correctors) of all levels, spending hours and days lying on the ground at the front line and behind enemy lines.
    1. +1
      29 October 2018 23: 16
      "For example, the same disguised pillboxes (for example, the Mannerheim line, etc.), cave caches (Tora Bora, Afghanistan), dugouts and tunnels (Vietnam)" /////
      ----
      You again lagged behind life. We find narrow Hamas tunnels dug at a depth of 50 m.
      Exclusively from the air. There are technologies for scanning the earth to great depths. It seems like an ultrasound.
      With the receipt of a 3-dimensional picture. And even the thickness of the concrete floors is obtained from these "photos".
      Not only the military use these technologies, but archaeologists too. Now most archaeological finds (ancient fortresses or burials that have gone dozens of meters underground), for example, are done from the air.
  15. +1
    1 November 2018 08: 42
    IDF has never fought in the European theater of war (with front lines thousands of kilometers wide and many tens of kilometers deep) and in Southeast Asia, this is probably due to a misunderstanding that some objects in the conditions of forests and the jungle can be found only from the ground.

    Without knowing in advance the coordinates of such objects (or entrances) from the satellite, it is impossible to detect by chance, and knowing that the satellites can only do additional reconnaissance.

    Yeah, the so-called Ultrasound by area works!
    It doesn’t matter how it is presented, but it’s more than sure that the so-called so-called primary in your small densely populated Palestine intelligence data.