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"Naval raft" of Ukraine will receive from the United States "naval circle"

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The legendary and invincible Ukrainian Navy has recently been moving from victory to victory. More precisely, from Peremoga to Peremoga. Inevitably alternating, as it should be according to the unspoken basic law of the Svidomo Ukrobiye, zradam. First there was the heroic breakthrough of the linear squadron through the Kerch Strait. Compared to him, the breakthrough of the detachment from the battle cruiser “Goeben” and the light cruiser “Breslau” under the command of adm. Sushona in the Bosphorus with the subsequent "Black Sea wake" simply fades. The march of Admiral Graf von Spee with his East Asian cruising squadron, with the odyssey of the light cruiser Emden, is fading. What did these insignificants do in comparison with the heroes in bloomers? Never mind! In addition, they died in battle, not like the brave Ukrainians. Is that the breakthrough of Admiral Tsilliaks with his high-speed battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau and the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen through the English Channel can somehow be compared with the unparalleled breakthrough in tow at a speed of 3 knot through the Black Sea and the battlefield (bottles on the deck) under the bridge, which was filmed at Mosfilm. And the solar symbol, which was on the flags of the battleships of Zilliax, is undoubtedly close to Svidomo, because the grandfathers fought under many of them. In addition, Zilliak's battleships reached their port also in tow - this unites.


But on this, having pulled one rusty trough in tow of another, which also managed to break down on the way, and putting it in the port on an eternal anchor (now at least where it will live and where to wash with volunteers in the bathhouse), Ukrainian sailors under the leadership of the admiral-tankman did not cease to deliver sensitive blows to the hybrid aggressor. Who did not notice them, because the strikes were inflicted by invisible stealth cutters invisible weapons. But the Ukrainian chocolate leader, courageously remembering to apply, did not lag behind his sailors. The Navy is waiting for just a large-scale reinforcement of the ship.

At first it became known about the completion of the transaction for the acquisition by the Coast Guard of the USA (practically for nothing, for only $ 10 million, more expensive than they were built) of two island-type border boats. These “wonderful” boats with a displacement of 168 tons and 34 meters in length, with speed in the best years of up to 29 knots, are, in fact, ordinary border patrols armed with a 25-mm gun mount Mk38 and 2 12.7x99-mm machine guns M2. Replaced by these "islands" (most of the series was named after the American islands) a series of smaller and obsolete boats of the type "Cape" (Cape). “Islands” were built in 1985-1992. 49 pieces in two basic versions, 8–41 m long, the rest 34. The elongated 8 boats were the first to be retired from service in 2006, the reason was cracks in the elongated hulls. They were found earlier, for a long time they were looking for solutions to the problem, but in the end, having estimated financial costs, they just spat, moreover, there were enough problems there, for example, with equipment. Cracks in the hulls, they say, began to creep out on short “islands,” so they are written off without much regret. Yes, and the replacement has ripened - Sentinel type boats, 360 tons displacement, are armed, however, it is also scarce - a 25-mm cannon and 4 12,7-mm machine gun turrets. But throwing away old brooks when you can still make money is silly. And the boats were included in the program of foreign military assistance, more precisely, the transfer of surplus military property - to different fleets, fleets and coast guards. To whom it is free, and to whom - for a certain amount. However, more than 20 boats still serve in the Coast Guard, 6 of which guard the US coast for some reason in Bahrain, acting in the interests of the Navy in their confrontation with Iran, because the U.S. Navy with boats is very bad, unlike the crowds of destroyers. And Iran, as you know, the opposite.

So far, those who need secondhand katerki, it was not very much. The US Coast Guard transferred 2 boats of the Island class to the Coast Guard of Georgia in September 2016 and 2 to the Pakistan Maritime Safety Agency in December 2016. 2 handed over boats to Costa Ricans in 2017, in 2018 in the spring they had to be at the customer. And the Georgians, who were the first to formally receive boats (called, by the way, the names of the ships sunk in Russia in the five-day war), have not yet seen them. “Repair and training of crews” continues now and will end only next year, if they do not transfer again. It can be seen that the Georgians put quite decent travelers, and you don’t want to leave the United States, you can continue to portray the “stupid Avas” from the interlude in the classroom. It’s hard to say how long the epic will last with a pair of Ukrainian super-dreadnoughts, but according to plan this is the end of 2019.

The boats will most likely be transferred without armament and with a minimum of electronic equipment. So, local Ukrainian budget cutters will be able to participate in equipping boats with some semi-working local products. Again, the reason for peremoga. After all, the Americans themselves (!) Build their weapons. There is no sense in these shells of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, on these boats, even with the RSNR of the Coast Guard of the FSB Frontier Service is impossible. Any "Firefly" will tear up this boat with 76-mm or 30-mm shells and will not notice it. Well, two more troughs will be in the sea. Some time. Until they break, or the cracks do not completely kill the hull. Although it is always possible to paint over the cracks with a thick layer of paint and some putty - it is enough for a show, if it disperses on a wave, it will reach the shore at the drainage pumps, not for the first time. If they will work.

Following it became known about the possible transfer to Ukraine of three decommissioned Danish modular boats of the type “Standard Flex 300”, in the version of minesweepers. Written off from the Danish fleet in 2010-2012, they were offered for the sum of 104 million. Ukraine, of course, does not have this money, and, despite the need for minesweepers, the deal probably will not take place. Free or for a penny, as Kiev would like, the Danes are not ready to give the boat, even if it did not justify itself, but it would be quite suitable for the Naval Forces Command.

Well, the most powerful blow to the language of the dominance of the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet was struck the other day, when it became known that the United States intended to feed another Peremoga weapon on a shovel to its Ukrainian non-slaves - frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry type with 2 number. Among Ukrainian bloggers or journalists from various Observers and Dialogues, of course, the troubles are full of trousers, just like with the “saints” of the Javelin ATGM, of which simple svidomo nothing real (about the problems and shortcomings of this weapon, for example) and does not want to know. But what about the Javelins? They put a small amount - and they stored it at Yavorovo, with American instructors under supervision ... and a lock. At the parade issued, shoot sometimes. And nothing more - they don't let me go to the front. So here too, the hopes of changing the balance of the sea are vain. But for other reasons. "Javelin", with all the drawbacks, has advantages, and is quite applicable anti-tank weapons, which, of course, will not seriously affect anything (if the silhouettes of "northerners" would not loom behind the backs of the republican corps, maybe everything would be different ). But a frigate of the “Perry” type or two frigates are the same useless “white elephants” for the Naval Forces of Ukraine as the “Hetman Sagaidachny” nicknamed “Saiga Suburban”.



These URO frigates were built in a huge series in the 71 ship, of which 52 was for the US Navy, frigates were built for the Australian and Spanish fleets (the Australians built 6 in their shipyards, and the Spaniards built everything for themselves), 2 built on their shipyards Taiwanese. Currently, all American frigates are either transferred to foreign countries (8 went to the Turks, 8 to the Egyptians, 4 to Bahrain, 1 to Pakistan, 6 to Poland), or sunk as targets, or dismantled, or offered as part of military aid. Among potential customers is Thailand, but the couple destined for it has already been destroyed - one ship was drowned in the exercise, the second was removed from the list for transfer and sent for recycling (it was probably in poor condition). Similar история and with the Mexican couple - one of the frigates became a victim at the RIMPAC exercise this year, and the second is still intact. Now here are two unnamed frigates offering Ukraine. And, it seems, not free, but at a more reasonable price than the Danish minesweepers.

At one time, 4200-ton frigates were the backbone of escort forces, the workhorses of the late Cold War period. Were among the "Perry" and the victims. Thus, the frigate "Stark" was attacked by an Iraqi aircraft in 1987. in the Persian Gulf, successfully “overslept” the air attack, received the 2 RCC “Exochet” AM-39 into the board. According to the long-standing tradition of exosets, only one of the missiles (fuses, they say, is still not very reliable on various clones and developments of this rocket produced by the Chinese and Iranians), the second caused only a fire from spilled fuel. But one missile was enough to kill the 37 sailors and to receive great damage, which, no doubt, could be fatal, if it were not the greenhouse conditions of the Gulf, with a nearby base and their ships nearby, capable of towing the frigate. The aluminum superstructure of the ship served to spread the fire (Perry was designed before the Falklands / Malvinas war, which showed the danger of extensive use of aluminum on ships). A year later, another frigate, "Samuel Roberts", hit the Persian Gulf on an anchor mine of Iranian production, which looked very similar to our Russian mine model 1908g. The resulting extensive hole diameter of 5 m led to the flooding of the engine room. Also, two gas turbine plants exploded from the foundations with an explosion, and even the keel was partially broken. It is strange that in general part of the stern did not break off. The victims, however, was not. In general, and in this case, the greenhouse conditions in the Gulf saved the ship from drowning. Both frigates were eventually restored, perhaps from principle. In general, “Perry” proved to be quite reliable and strong, despite a number of shortcomings.

These frigates were armed with the following: 1х1 PU Mk.13 SAM Tartar with SAM "Standard" SM-1MR (range to 50-75km, canal on target - 1), with 40 ammunition for missiles. Moreover, the "Standards" could also be used as an ersatz-anti-ship missile, but also the Mk.13 could be used to launch the Harpoon anti-ship missile. In addition to the ZRK, there were 2 anti-submarine helicopters, 1x1 76mm AU "OTO Melara Rapid, 20-mm ZAK" Vulkan-Falanks ", 2X3 torpedo tubes 324 mm for anti-submarine torpedoes Mk.XNNXX

However, due to the cancellation of the Standard SAM missiles and the high cost of remaking the ship for other SAM missiles, the air defense systems were dismantled, which is why the Perry lost their anti-aircraft and anti-ship capabilities at once. With one ZALK "Phalanx" and a 1-mm gun mount against aviation and anti-ship missiles cannot be won at all, especially against supersonic anti-ship missiles. An attempt to fight with a large ship of the Russian fleet will resemble the ever-memorable characters who came to a shootout with knives, because the RCC will simply fly back in response. It is possible to fight with frontier TFRs, but with caution - the 76-mm AK-176 on our ships is more long-range and faster. And a meeting with a ship armed with at least a 100 mm artillery system, such as small artillery ships of the Buyan type, is completely contraindicated - they will drown from a convenient distance. The anti-submarine capabilities of ships in our time are also clearly insufficient (if anyone gives helicopters and torpedoes to the Ukrainians at all), although they are present, but considering who will own the ship and how they can “master” it, it is unlikely that this equipment will work as it should be.

Of course, you can, let's say, instead of cutting out an air defense system, embed a vertical Mk.41 PU into 8 missiles for an ESSM (Evolved Sea-Sparrow Missile) missile, as the Turks and Australians did to upgrade, but this is unlikely to be money. It is possible to stick the RCC separately, somewhere, but they will certainly try to deliver their seriously disfigured clone of our RCC X-35 "Uranus" - the RCC "Neptune". But no RCC, in fact, yet. There were 2 launch launches of models of rockets differing from each other externally, there were no GOS on them, because they are not yet. There is no control system and much more. In fact, there are some promises. And growing in size rocket. When there is something that grows together into a real work piece, it is not known, but obviously not soon. Promise, of course, is about, but miracles do not happen. The creation of a new anti-ship missile, even by cloning from the available documentation and with the advanced development and production of such weapons, is not a quick process. And if all this is not, then even more so.

But the operation of such ships will eat all the funds of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, as well as the purchase of spare parts and repair tools. And all this will have to be bought in the USA, for which such “charity” is being carried out. That is, Ukraine will quickly learn the truth of the saying that it is easiest to ruin a weak country by giving it a battleship. Or decommissioned frigate. And in the continuation of the tragicomedy on the Sea of ​​Azov, Ukraine, these ships will not help - it is dangerous to go there for them, and it makes no sense.

But such ships can boost peremoga level in speeches and reports; there you can assign at least one more admiral, or even several, and go to them for exercises with "allies", as the head of the world's first self-proclaimed member of the alliance calls NATO. And work on the modernization of ships can and should be entrusted to the shipyard, belonging to one lover to walk in crumpled, crumpled costumes not in size and with a flask in his pocket. And it is not so important that there simply is no place to base these two frigates, and it is necessary to build infrastructure — one can hardly build it, but simply announce construction, mastering the money.

Therefore, a pair of more than thirty-year-old "Oliviers Perry", most likely, will join the ranks of the Navy of Ukraine, the only question is how and when and under what conditions. But Russian sailors from the appearance of these old people are neither cold nor hot - they are not opponents in their present condition. But for the Naval Forces of Ukraine, these ships can become not a lifeline, but a cast-iron yoke, pulling their budget to the bottom. But does anyone think about this?
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 24 October 2018 05: 58
    +2
    Well, what you could wish for. Stranded near Odessa, followed by cutting into metal. You know how
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 24 October 2018 12: 26
      +7
      For the humor, the author is a plus. But ... the United States is afraid to go to a direct clash with Russia. And then the classic scheme of punks - send a sheet to the man - "Uncle, give me 20 kopecks!" And then healthy foreheads appear "Thou did you offend the little one?" Well, and the fact that the hohlokoryto will sink - the Americans do not mind, but there is a great reason for anything: sanctions, NATO expansion, etc. etc.
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  3. Jolly oldster sailor
    Jolly oldster sailor 24 October 2018 06: 56
    +5
    Auto RU plus for the article, in one breath swallowed what is called !!!
    But the operation of such ships will eat up all the funds of the Navy, as well as the purchase of spare parts and funds for repairs. Moreover, all this will have to be purchased in the United States, for which such "charity" is carried out. That is, Ukraine quickly learns the truth of the saying that it is easiest to ruin a weak country by giving it a battleship
    Do you really think that ordinary sailors there do not understand this? They understand it perfectly, but ...- "Saw, Shura, saw, they are golden." hi
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 24 October 2018 09: 32
      +5
      Of course a great article ... for the "feuilleton" section.
      And if you temporarily squeeze the cheers-patriotism and the natural pride of Great Russia, then you can reflect on some points.
      Yes, 30 summer frigates and coast guard boats. But, the Navy has none. Consequently, these ships will increase the combat potential of the Ukrainian fleet. It is not in vain that other states buy them. Who is the enemy for Ukraine? - Russia. Against whom are the Navy targeted? - Against the Black Sea Fleet. Someone believes that next year an adequate politician will come to replace Poroshenko? Hardly. So it will either remain, or it will be replaced by an even greater inadequacy. In such an environment, these two frigates and two patrol boats are a reason to start some kind of provocation on the Black Sea. In other words, the situation in the Black Sea with the strengthening of the Navy will tend to complicate.
      But I don’t know whether this is a reason for the feuilleton.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 October 2018 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Army 2
        But, the Navy has none.

        And why? Like the Black Sea Fleet was divided in half ...
        Quote: Army 2
        Consequently, these ships will increase the combat potential of the Ukrainian fleet

        For a long time? After all, the Black Sea Fleet seems to have been divided in half ...
        8)))
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 24 October 2018 19: 35
        +5
        Quote: Army 2
        Yes, 30 summer frigates and coast guard boats. But, the Navy has none.

        And these will not be, even if they are handed over.
        There is a fact - the Naval Forces of Ukraine failed to cope with the exploitation of the Soviet legacy, that is, the ships for which there were weapons, there were spare parts, there were production facilities and people who knew how to repair them. But the Naval Forces of Ukraine only sufficed for the fact that they somehow managed to support the "Saigakdachny", and then with a bunch of non-working equipment, the rest - on the remnants of the resource.
        Quote: Army 2
        Consequently, these ships will increase the combat potential of the Ukrainian fleet.

        Not. It will be two more iron boxes at the berths, on which there will be no trained crews.
        Quote: Army 2
        It is not in vain that other states buy them.

        Not so :)))) Other states bought them. Or built on the same project.
        And who received the American ... EMNIP the last were the Turks, to whom the USA, up to 2003, transferred 8 frigates. So it was 15 years ago, and the Turks were forced to give ships a major upgrade
        1. unBEARable
          unBEARable 25 October 2018 21: 57
          0
          They themselves, of course, will not be able to cope with the operation, but if the gentlemen help ... Yes, they do not really like to help with matters of sold weapons, and Ukraine has a little money. But in the case of political interest, theoretically, you can help even with Goeben and Breslau, although it seems fantastic
  4. Khakas
    Khakas 24 October 2018 07: 33
    +3
    Cheered author in the morning laughing
  5. And
    And 24 October 2018 08: 41
    +3
    Thanks to the author for the article good . Well, the Ukrainian sailors - seven feet over the keel!
  6. Conductor
    Conductor 24 October 2018 08: 43
    0
    how the district is made, a map, a compass are taken. t on the map is a circle of the diameter that conscience allows.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 24 October 2018 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Conductor
      how the district is made, a map, a compass are taken. t on the map is a circle of the diameter that conscience allows.

      which allows conscience

      well "conscience" they have to the Pacific Ocean
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 24 October 2018 13: 51
        +1
        And the compasses of this size where they add?
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 24 October 2018 13: 52
          0
          Quote: Conductor
          And the compasses of this size where they add?

          curators will give
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 October 2018 09: 13
    +3
    It seems to me that the article is too extensive to try to prove the uselessness of the appearance of the next combat units in dill. I remember how the authors laughed in 2014 to the naval forces without ships, I remember how in 2016 - 2017 they laughed at the appearance of the "gyurza", now I watch how they laugh at the possible delivery of frigates and boats ... What will the authors laugh about when on In the Black Sea, there will be an updated Naval Forces of Ukraine and no longer in the old, "mosquito" structure?
    1. venik
      venik 24 October 2018 09: 53
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What will the authors laugh at when the updated Ukrainian Navy appears on the Black Sea and is no longer in the old "mosquito" composition?

      ========
      Above what??? Yes, over the old "pelvis", "renewed" Navy!
      I remembered how 2 "Gyurza" "heroically" went to intercept the TFR "Sharp-witted" ... fool Then they really left .... My friend then laughed - "are they crazy? It was enough for him to shoot the cannons a couple of times! To which he was answered -" yes, there was no need to shoot (why waste the shells? Just gain speed and pass by! They would have had enough! (River boats - seaworthiness 3 points .... A wave would be overturned!) ".
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 24 October 2018 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: venik
        Yes, over the old "pelvis", "renewed" Navy!

        Quote: venik
        came to intercept TFR "Sharp-witted"

        This old pelvis (without quotes) hit 51 in September.
        1. venik
          venik 24 October 2018 13: 12
          +3
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: venik
          came to intercept TFR "Sharp-witted"
          This old pelvis (without quotes) hit 51 in September.

          ========
          Absolutely for sure !!! EXACTLY 51 years old !!! bully
          And now COMPARE the weapons of "Sharp-witted" with the weapons of "Fr" Oliver Perry "(WITHOUT a bow universal PU (SAM" Standard "/ PLUR" Asrok ") !!!!!
          And what do we have in the "bottom line" ??? fool
          - 2x2 AU 76 mm ..... Against 1x1 AU 76 mm
          - 2x2 SAM (they are "ersatz" PRK) ..... against "0" (!!!)
          - 2x4 anti-ship missiles "Uranus" .... against "0" (!!!)
          - 1x5 TA (533 mm) against .... 2x3 TA 244 mm
          - 2x6 MZA (AK-630) versus ........... 1x6 MZA "Vulcan-Phalanx"
          ...............................
          Further CONTINUE ??? (Kstiati frigates, which they (Yankes) offer "hohloflot" - not much younger - ALSO the 50-year line "rolled up" ..... tongue
          1. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 24 October 2018 13: 41
            0
            Quote: venik
            Next Continue ???

            Please continue.
            Quote: venik
            Kstiati frigates, which they (Yankes) offer "hohloflot" - not much younger - ALSO the 50-year mark "rolled up" .....

            Peri from reserve in 1982 to 1986 of release, with the mathematics you hope is in order, you can calculate the age.
            P.S .:
            Quote: venik
            WITHOUT nasal universal PU

            There they simply removed the "one-armed bandit" because they did not use it, no one removed the air defense system itself, they put the beam back and let it go on, there are enough missiles.
            P.P.S.: Peri has a hangar for two helicopters, and the Shrewd one has nothing, therefore there is no sense from his Uranium beyond the radio horizon, he still will not see anything.
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 24 October 2018 18: 26
              0
              You want to say that in 1986 the Americans built escort ships that could launch only one anti-aircraft missile per flock of anti-ship missiles fired from the means of the Navy or the USSR Air Force? What optimists!
              1. Hole puncher
                Hole puncher 24 October 2018 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: bk0010
                You want to say that in 1986 the Americans built escort ships that could launch only one anti-aircraft missile per flock of anti-ship missiles fired from the means of the Navy or the USSR Air Force?

                Ticonderoga and aircraft carriers were built to intercept the "pack of anti-ship missiles". Peri frigates have the main task of fighting enemy submarines, hence two! anti-submarine helicopter and LAMPS system.
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 24 October 2018 11: 32
      +1
      ... What will the authors laugh about when the updated Naval Forces will appear on the Black Sea and no longer in the old, "mosquito" composition ?, but in which one? Will they really get the wunderfaflu? You were presented with a saying about the battleship, do you think these will devour the military budget less?
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 October 2018 14: 35
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What will the authors laugh at when the updated Ukrainian Navy appears on the Black Sea and is no longer in the old "mosquito" composition?

      The Second Black Sea Fleet of the USSR, which could be divided, unfortunately for the patriots and science fiction writers does not exist 8)))
    4. Alexey Vasilievich I
      Alexey Vasilievich I 24 October 2018 20: 42
      0
      In order to somehow compete with the Black Sea Fleet Svidomo, it will take 15-20 years with VERY good funding. Do you believe that?
  8. monster
    monster 24 October 2018 09: 22
    0
    Bravo! good And here is the real future of the Svidomo fleet
  9. venik
    venik 24 October 2018 09: 46
    +7
    The article is a little emotional ... But - EVERYTHING is true !!!! I liked the proverb, which I have already forgotten "..... If you want to ruin a poor country - give it a battleship !! ..." This is just about the Ukrainian fleet! There is already KREISER "Ukraine" former Admiral Lobov ".... Now the" Saiga Dachny "is idle in the dock ..... And if you add 2 more rusty tubs (and even WITHOUT missile weapons ..... U- oooh !!! what Exactly - "zrada" now from "any American friends" ...... laughing
    PS By the way (to the door) - the second Exocet missile hitting the frigate "Stark" - not just "... caused a fuel spill ...", as you write: It flew in and exploded into cubicle of officers (!!!). That’s why there are so many dead and wounded !!!
    PPS Interesting! I remember one thing When, at the very beginning of the 80s, they used to wear NATO equipment, including. and frigates "Oliver Perry" (then they were considered a "teacher" evaluating the project and noted its shortcomings, including:
    - extremely unfortunate location BEYOND Vulcan-Falanx (in the middle of the superstructure, behind the mast), which did not allow intercepting missiles flying from the front hemisphere (for this the ship had to turn almost 90 degrees.)
    - Extremely unfortunate location of the BIUS and part of the sailor's (petty officers') crew quarters in the area of ​​the ship's highest RCS, which should have increased the likelihood of an anti-ship missile hitting this particular part of the ship !!! What actually happened to "Stark" !!! (That's really really - "like looking into the water" !!!).
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 24 October 2018 10: 36
      0
      Quote: venik
      Extremely unsuccessful location of the BIOS

      Did they screw the BIUS directly on the hood? Here are the boobies, everyone knows that BIUS is better to hide in the afterpeak ...
      1. Soho
        Soho 24 October 2018 11: 15
        0
        Better yet, tow it as an active towed radar trap (ADBL) or "Little Buddy" laughing then they definitely won’t fall
        1. venik
          venik 24 October 2018 13: 35
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          Did they screw the BIUS directly on the hood? Here are the boobies, everyone knows that BIUS is better to hide in the afterpeak ...

          -----
          Quote: Soho
          It is even better to tow it as an active towed radar trap (ADBL) or "Little Buddy" (who knows how) laughing then they will definitely not hit

          ========
          Well, if there was also a cockpit, they would "pick up" from behind ....
          Not Guys (Puncher and Soho) ....
          GOOD that you and I are "not American spies" !!!
          And then you look - poor Iranians - would beat on "Stark" with "Exosets" - beat and beat !!! And he - "don't care"! - all the same, everything is MOST important - "from behind" on a string "dangles !!!" bully
          They are poor fellows ("Americans" in the sense) so they didn't finish the "idea" !!!!
          Still, "OUR heads" - a little SMARTER !!!!! tongue
  10. Alexey Vasilievich I
    Alexey Vasilievich I 24 October 2018 20: 04
    +1
    The author of the article simply killed all the adherents of the sect of the mattress frigate laughing good
  11. Dr.KonradMorgen
    Dr.KonradMorgen 25 October 2018 00: 29
    -2
    1) Both "Islands" and "Perry" are transferred to Ukraine free of charge (the ships themselves - of course, you will have to pay for "related services");
    2) "Islands" will be transferred 4 (2 already transferred - this is the "first" tranche), "Perry" - 3 pieces.
    1. Alexey Vasilievich I
      Alexey Vasilievich I 25 October 2018 02: 17
      0
      Was it reported to you at the State Department or did Trump personally report? smile
      1. Dr.KonradMorgen
        Dr.KonradMorgen 25 October 2018 02: 26
        -1
        No, for such a petty occasion, I’m coming to my report of the US Presidents not cause. laughing laughing
        About 4 "Island" and the conditions of their transfer - repeated official information of the US State Department and the US Department of Defense, widely known to all those interested in Ukraine.
        About "Perry" - a lower rank source. The naval attaché of the US Embassy in Kiev disseminated information.
        1. Alexey Vasilievich I
          Alexey Vasilievich I 25 October 2018 02: 31
          0
          Well now I’m calm for the navy, ugh you, the fleet of Ukraine. POWER!!! laughing laughing laughing
          Eh heal then the moroman self-sufficient!
          Will the oars be included in the package?
          1. Dr.KonradMorgen
            Dr.KonradMorgen 25 October 2018 02: 42
            -1
            It will be possible to be calm for the fleet of the Ukrainian Navy when it receives a good grouping of missile and landing boats + boats for the MSSO. And also at least a few small submarines.
            In the meantime, it remains only to be sad, desperately swearing and working hard to bring this joyful moment closer.
            And the oars are included in the package of course. Plastic Together with inflatable rubber boats. tongue
            1. Alexey Vasilievich I
              Alexey Vasilievich I 25 October 2018 02: 56
              0
              so in 15-20 years maybe ... If your naval commanders do not steal much laughing
              On the other hand, not everything is so sad, there will be time to train on inflatable boats with plastic oars to go boarding tongue
              1. Dr.KonradMorgen
                Dr.KonradMorgen 25 October 2018 03: 00
                -1
                But didn’t you know: boarding is our F-F-sho !! laughing laughing
                Well, about stealing ... Comrades "native admirals", of course, also steal as much as possible, but real theft is not their level. And higher. And even higher than the level of the central apparatus of the MO ...
        2. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 25 October 2018 03: 52
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          Quote: Dr.KonradMorgen
          About "Perry" - a lower rank source.

          There are only 3-4 of them and left in reserve
          1. Dr.KonradMorgen
            Dr.KonradMorgen 25 October 2018 19: 38
            -2
            They write that still 7 ...
  12. Bauer
    Bauer 27 October 2018 18: 08
    0
    Ukroflot commanded by a tanker. He has his own views on the development of the fleet.
    These dreadnought will allow admirals to quickly ... from the country of victorious national values