Military Review

The court determined the punishment of three scammers, because of which Russia disgraced Algeria with MiG-29 fighters

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The Moscow City Court has completed the process over the heads of three companies that supplied counterfeit and used parts for the Russian Aircraft Building Corporation (RSK) MiG under the contract for the supply of aircraft to Algeria. One of the suppliers of villages for fraud for five years. Two others got off with fines, the Kommersant newspaper writes on Tuesday.

The court considered the case of General Directors of ATK Movement LLC Sergey Sobolev, Volga-Aviaservis CJSC Mikhail Zhevagin and SNK-Plus LLC Sergey Kruglenkov. They were accused under article 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (fraud). Sobolev was charged with a large-scale fraud, the rest - just a large one.

The criminal case against the accused was initiated in the summer of 2010. However, the trial of them began only at the end of March of the current year and was held behind closed doors. As a result, the court sentenced Sobolev to five years in prison, and Zhevagin and Kruglenkov to fines of 500 thousand and 200 thousand rubles, respectively.

According to the newspaper, of the three defendants, only Kruglenkov admitted his guilt, his accomplices claimed that they themselves were victims of fraud by counterparty firms. Sobolev's company supplied the RSK with unsuitable ADF-88 (automatic engine start-up), Kruglenkova-IKD (sensors for measuring pressure control gauges), and the company of Gevagin was allegedly involved in restoring the properties of these components. Moreover, it was established that the enterprises of Sobolev and Kruglenkov did not have a license to trade in arms and military equipment.

Investigators came out on the trail of fraudsters, investigating the case of Musail Ismailov, general director of Aviaremsnab LLC, who was sentenced to 7,5 years of imprisonment in May last year.

The contract with Algeria for the supply of MiG-29 aircraft worth about 1,3 billion dollars was concluded in March 2006. However, in May, the 2007 of the year, having received the first 15 "MiGs", the Algerian side announced that it had identified substandard components for them - obviously not new and of dubious quality. In October of the same year, Algeria raised the question of returning the aircraft and the money paid for it to Moscow, stating that otherwise it would give up its obligations under other transactions. In 2008, the parties agreed on such a return, and the planes returned to Russia.
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  1. PatriotizTAT
    PatriotizTAT 29 May 2012 23: 04
    +38
    And that all three were not imprisoned like "A thief will not imprison a thief" ?! What kind of government and courts like that ... well, call me orange am Patriots ...
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 29 May 2012 23: 13
      +52
      A contract with Algeria for the supply of MiG-29 aircraft costing about 1,3 billion dollars


      и

      court sentenced Sobolev to five years in prisonand Zhevagin and Kruglenkov - to fines of 500 thousand and 200 thousand rubles respectively


      As long as such bl ... will continue, we will continue to trap tenders and lose partners. But to shoot publicly and seize property in favor of the state, you see, someone would have thought am
      1. Gurza
        Gurza 29 May 2012 23: 27
        +18
        Yeah, well, they would have given 15-20 years to everyone, with confiscation of property and so on and so forth. And amers have the same trouble, Chinese components ......
        well and call me orange

        Orange!
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 30 May 2012 08: 21
          +9
          Quote: GurZa
          And amers have the same trouble, Chinese components ......

          I listened to ch. astronaut. Popovkina? What bad dancers just don't come up with in their defense! Even the Chinese squeezed ...
          We have no demand for swindlers, bribe-takers, non-competent "effective" managers, such a management system has developed, unfortunately ...
      2. VAF
        VAF 30 May 2012 01: 04
        +14
        Quote: Aleksey67
        While such bl ... will continue


        Alex, no words +! drinks

        And indeed to everyone who participates in the discussion of this "PROBLEM" + and respect good

        BUT ... yes, yes, I have again but ....

        I read here today’s article about another PRIVATIZATION project ... and especially komenty ... no words. even no letters .... some crying

        Does everyone "naively believe" that the departure of the STATE from the management of the military-industrial complex is a blessing ?????

        Read the news again carefully, FIRM-CONTAGENTS ??? What is this nonsense ???
        There is no nonsense, written off (taken out of the register) or substandard spare parts go to the "privatized" ARZ, where under the "black" flag they are brought into a more or less divine form and "delivered" to the factories by the assemblers, but do they themselves get there ?? ?
        There are special supply services that are involved in the purchase of these spare parts and officially they get to the factory.
        If you believe. that this is done without the consent of the director. chief engineer and the head of the PDO .... you can safely throw a stone at me !!!

        All these "lambourni" consist of 3-5 people and at best a warehouse is rented (but what big names) and no one asks them about licenses ... when "spare parts" arrive at the plant, because they are half. or even more cost from what is officially offered by a supplier plant or a repair plant officially ...

        Can you imagine what "gesheft" ??? Can't imagine. don't know the price of these parts ...

        And so it happens PRACTICELY everywhere and FOR a long time and for all (interested parties) it suits .....

        And now only the "switchmen" have been identified, and then everything will continue ...... unfortunately!

        "Long live PRIVATIZATION" (freedom of action without state control) !!!!

        Yes, I completely forgot ... and if you are all respected gentlemen think. that this is an isolated case for the return of aircraft. that is VERY deeply mistaken !!!
        Respectfully, to all ....
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 30 May 2012 07: 28
          +3
          these villains have no place in this life, they grab our people with the permission of the authorities, and they are 10 years old without the right to correspondence
      3. Cadet787
        Cadet787 30 May 2012 10: 35
        +4
        Greetings, Alexey. The other day in the "Military Review" was published an article entitled "Putin and privatization: the discussed project from the President of the Russian Federation", and so this article gives an answer to the previous one. This is what happens if the state sector of the economy is privatized, the newcomers have a profit, and such concepts as homeland, its prestige, honor, are replaced by dollars and euros. Well, our court is the most humane (corrupt) court in the world.
      4. sergunec
        sergunec 30 May 2012 10: 47
        +4
        I agree. To scale at crowded, on the Red Square. And broadcast on all channels.
        1. Sinbad
          Sinbad 30 May 2012 19: 59
          +1
          I support! Public executions and damages to the state 250%! And to exact from all relatives, otherwise they are, like, "poor"!
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 29 May 2012 23: 52
      +6
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      .well and call me orange

      Orange!
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      Which government are such and the courts ..

      Laws need to be rewritten. And the fact that the courts, like many other organizations, work for themselves, I’m not surprised. That's why the government is going to put cameras in the courts. Man to man is different.
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 30 May 2012 01: 13
        +2
        Quote: Alexej
        That's why the government is going to put cameras in the courts

        Sorry not to delete recourse guilty, correct. They stand for a long time, only there is no sense from them. Recording can harm witnesses.
      2. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 23
        +1
        The courts work as they are allowed by the authorities and do not need to argue, this is obvious ... When Putin in 2025. promised to solve the housing problem ... we hope and wait, and I'm less orange than all of you put together, I don’t need revolutions ... I crave the Soviet Union ... and to say that the thieves' government is very cool .... it's are you somehow without me! angry
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 30 May 2012 11: 58
          0
          Quote: PatriotizTAT
          The courts work as they are allowed by the authorities and do not need to argue, this is clearly ...

          Well, yes ... In each case, they ring back to the Kremlin ...
    3. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 29 May 2012 23: 57
      +2
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      well and call me orange

      Orange winked
      1. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 24
        +3
        Thank you brother! love
    4. gojesi
      gojesi 30 May 2012 00: 18
      -1
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      well and call me orange

      Orange!
      Probably not far off! Low-learning. Young. Dodged! Still do not want clarifying epithets?
      Judging by the aplomb and clean shoulder straps, I think I just "changed"?
      1. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 13
        +5
        You bastard ... in vain you become a stranger with a person, start with the fact that I am a writer, end with the fact that I know about the history of our country certainly no less than you ... and the rest is not for you to give BETMAN ratings here !!! Gangster from Harlem!
    5. Odinplys
      Odinplys 30 May 2012 00: 26
      -1
      In your opinion, the government approved these deliveries ... or it took no more than 5 years ... ???
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      well and call me orange


      Exactly ... orange ...
      1. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 25
        +3
        Everyone who doesn’t love Putin has orange ... you can drink beer, well done, you plus! good
    6. aksakal
      aksakal 30 May 2012 01: 27
      0
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      .well and call me orange
      - you are not orange! You are super orange! Only the orange color itself is more orange! Get a normal skin color, be a brow. And then, as it were, black, yellow-faced, red-skinned, but they are all people, the same people as pale-faced. But it’s difficult to orange to them, alas ... I wish you more humanity
    7. Starksa
      Starksa 30 May 2012 07: 25
      0
      it’s strange that they weren’t hanged, it’s necessary to punish Max for this, and for any theft, including in the army
    8. mkrass2006
      mkrass2006 30 May 2012 09: 00
      +2
      Offline
      PatriotizTAT (2) RU Yes you are right. it turned out rather weakly.
    9. Victor
      Victor 30 May 2012 10: 07
      -4
      Not just Orange, but also in orange pants and makes two "KU" to American ecylopes for a box of CC, or maybe for one CC!
    10. mishok
      mishok 30 May 2012 10: 13
      0
      patriots on the site a dime a dozen
      voting for scum all will not calm down
      give form from Yudashkin !!!
      and Serdyukov for president !!!
      1. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 26
        0
        You say the case)
    11. Net
      Net 30 May 2012 10: 22
      +2
      There should be a fourth one, which the old rusty anchor for the Peter the Great TARK set at the price of a new one. He was also evidently deceived by counterparties)
      1. mishok
        mishok 30 May 2012 10: 27
        -4
        Patriots are indignant)))
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 30 May 2012 12: 01
          0
          Quote: mishok
          Patriots are indignant)))

          Trolls rejoice)
    12. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 30 May 2012 15: 59
      0
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      And that all three were not imprisoned like "A thief will not put a thief in prison" ?! What kind of government and courts ...

      As an example
      Media: KGB detained the coach of the Belarusian athletics team

      30 May 2012, 15: 13

      Deputy Chairman of the Belarusian Athletics Federation, head coach of the national team Anatoly Baduev detained by State Security CommitteeBelarusian media reported on Wednesday.


      “They didn’t tell us anything about this. All we can say is that he (Badueva) is not in the workplace today, ”the athletics federation said, Interfax reports.

      The State Security Committee did not confirm, but did not refute reports of the detention of the head coach of the Belarus national track and field team. “No comment,” said Alexander Antonovich, head of the KGB Information and Public Relations Center (CIOS), the agency.

      Meanwhile, the as the Pressball newspaper suggests, Baduev is charged with two criminal offenses - coercion to give a bribe and misuse of sponsorship funds.

      According to the publication, a new head coach should appear on Wednesday at the national track and field team preparing for the Olympics in London.


      Pay attention to the KGB quickly and clearly. Old Man good
      Russia needs to learn and restore the capacity of the FSB
      1. Tatars
        Tatars 30 May 2012 17: 53
        0
        In Russia, laws need to be tightened in all directions. What kind of state is this? Putin Nichrome does nothing, Medvedev only against pedophiles, would copy all the laws of European countries
        1. Rexei
          Rexei 31 May 2012 00: 27
          0
          Is this a wish or sarcasm? If the wish is then, according to the laws of Europe, it is necessary to legalize gay parades and gays themselves and allow them to advertise their relations in the media ... This will be the final stage of the decomposition of society ...
          1. Tatars
            Tatars 1 June 2012 14: 19
            0
            Yeah, I forgot about gays, of course not
    13. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
      Hysnik-Tsuzoy 30 May 2012 19: 33
      0
      Blah, why haven’t they been shot? Such crimes must be regarded as treason.
  2. YARY
    YARY 29 May 2012 23: 07
    +19
    This is the case when the verdict is a mockery of the country !!!
    Prestige and respect received serious damage uncompensated by the term of imprisonment!
    Shooting is the measure that will tell the followers of these bulls - such "games" with only one bet - death !!!
    am
    1. Nick
      Nick 29 May 2012 23: 18
      +3
      Quote: Ardent
      Shooting is the measure that will tell the followers of these bulls - such "games" with only one bet - death !!!

      Unfortunately, under the article "Fraud", the highest measure of social protection is not provided.
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 29 May 2012 23: 27
        +10
        Quote: Nick
        Unfortunately, under the article "Fraud", the highest measure of social protection is not provided.

        As the prosecutor's articles are sewn one-sidedly, maybe it's time to return to "treason" and "Sabotage"?
        1. party3AH
          party3AH 30 May 2012 07: 39
          +5
          The Americans have a minimum of 25 years in prison for fraud, because capitalists do not like to be bribed, we have a laugh because the judicial system is rotten.
    2. 16
      16 30 May 2012 00: 41
      +6
      shoot !!!!!!!!!!!!! agree with you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 30 May 2012 01: 38
      +6
      Quote: Ardent
      This is the case when the verdict is a mockery of the country !!! Prestige and respect have received serious damage uncompensated by the term of imprisonment! Shooting is the measure that will tell the followers of these guys - such "games" with only one stake - death! !!

      - Ardent, well, why so chop off the shoulder? Those two are the same victims of deception, but they decided to make them extreme ... They came up and explained - you will be extreme, but you will get a soft term. If you deny and point with your fingers, there will be problems, and we won’t sit on anyone, no matter how hard we try. am Who are these people - hell knows. Who sponsors the swamp? Fuck knows. But the power behind them is real, and the organization is felt, a powerful resource base, and the presence of power. And they feel their destructive attitude against Russia. This is a difficult enemy, reveal try this. And even if you reveal, it’s not yet a fact that you are able to attract. And these three were made extreme, why shoot them? You’ll shoot the innocent or the innocent, but you won’t get to these. For all that he’s monstrous, I respect Stalin — he didn’t have invulnerable people, nor were he untouchable. Even his deputy, if he screwed up, could go into the light under execution. And in this case, the whole chain of fraudsters would have been identified, and everyone would have been shot, regardless of positions, conditions and positions. True, it does not help much - in China they slap them hundreds in a year, and quite big bureaucrats, but they steal the same way, even if you shoot yourself. Here the system must be changed !!! (plumber Afonya) smile
    4. party3AH
      party3AH 30 May 2012 07: 36
      +2
      The highest measure would be nice, but we don’t have it, but full compensation for returning the planes would be nice for them to solder, it’s not funny to get 500 and 200 rubles for such a scum.
  3. freedom
    freedom 29 May 2012 23: 09
    +11
    ... the planes returned to Russia, and were delivered to the Russian Air Force. Okay, after bringing to standard. We sat down in a puddle to the fullest, but again three are judged, why? Where are the representatives of the acceptance? Neat? I doubt it. Again, Themis is extremely selective.
    1. Nick
      Nick 29 May 2012 23: 22
      +4
      Quote: freedom
      We sat down in a puddle to the fullest, but again three are judged, why? Where are the representatives of the acceptance? Neat?

      It’s good that at least someone was somehow punished, and even more recently, they wouldn’t have found the guilty at all
    2. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 29 May 2012 23: 25
      +4
      Quote: freedom
      planes returned to Russia

      It seems that they are upholding in Belarus, waiting for a new owner so that the company does not run into VAT
      1. Commodus
        Commodus 29 May 2012 23: 46
        +3
        This is 30. And 29 seem to have been adopted.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 30 May 2012 00: 01
          +1
          Quote: Commodus
          This is 30. And 29 seem to have been adopted.

          Thanks for the amendment. recourse

          The Russian aircraft building corporation "MIG" and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for the supply of MiG-29 fighters, which were previously intended for the Algerian Air Force. We will remind, Algeria earlier returned 15 aircraft, expressing dissatisfaction with their quality.

          "To date, a contract has been signed for the delivery of 28 multi-functional MiG-29SMT fighters to the Russian Air Force," a source familiar with the deal told Interfax.

          According to him, a similar document is expected to be signed for another 6 MiG-29UB fighters in the near future. Thus, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will be supplied with all 34 aircraft previously intended for the Algerian Air Force, "the source said. He said that all the aircraft will be delivered to the customer in 2009.
  4. mr.Man
    mr.Man 29 May 2012 23: 59
    +7
    For such words about prestige of the country mean nothing.
    It was necessary to the wall ...
  5. 16
    16 30 May 2012 00: 06
    +5
    shoot --------- only shoot ------- with complete confiscation of property --------- up to second cousins ​​!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. kush62
      kush62 30 May 2012 04: 54
      +5
      Why the court is closed, it is necessary in the open, so that everyone knows the "heroes" of the MOTHERLAND in person !!!
  6. bremest
    bremest 30 May 2012 00: 16
    +8
    The investigation is selective, and the verdict is excessively mild. A. B. Chubais and B. Nemtsov should also sit in the dock for those actions that brought the aircraft industry to such a state and criminal privatization.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 30 May 2012 00: 18
      +8
      Quote: bremest
      A.B. Chubais and B. Nemtsov should also sit in the dock

      If you put all the guilty on this bench, then it will take its rightful place in the Guinness Book of Records
  7. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 30 May 2012 01: 27
    +7
    For such matters, one should not imprison and fine, but how to hang in the square in Iran.
    1. Executer
      Executer 30 May 2012 09: 14
      +2
      Just before that, get them the costs of moving those same MIGs back and forth. And lost profits.
  8. sleepy
    sleepy 30 May 2012 02: 07
    +4
    With the current approach to the needs of aircraft instrumentation in engineers, highly educated specialists, technologists, assemblers-installers ... soon there will be no one to assemble instruments and spare parts for them.
  9. pribolt
    pribolt 30 May 2012 02: 57
    +3
    Absolutely ohhhhhhhh am
  10. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 30 May 2012 03: 53
    +6
    Maybe it is not necessary to "finish", because the switchmen. Pickaxe, shovel, wheelbarrow, barrack and build the second branch of the BAM. But seriously, where is the OTK, military representative? What, components immediately from the bazaar to the assembly? Now they will hold the next privatization and the turntables will begin to pour in - the flyers are to blame, the human factor. Forward - to the victory of capitalism!
  11. sergo0000
    sergo0000 30 May 2012 05: 57
    +3
    How to say it! Why switchmen? Rather, one-day firms! I broke the loot on counterfeit goods, but there’s no grass there! Kill the pilot! Here the impunity for sabotage of the authorities by some forces that are not subject to justice and the lack of OTC for deliveries at the initial level. I agree with the elder system that I need to change everything! Yes, and not necessarily, privatization is bad! Just control is needed in such transactions on the part of the state, and reliable companies are allowed to access them!
  12. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 30 May 2012 06: 02
    +2
    All 25 Kalyms !!!!
  13. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 30 May 2012 06: 24
    +5
    Here is OOO-OJSC-MMM.
    It is time to stop this practice and make defense enterprises state-owned.
  14. dld35057
    dld35057 30 May 2012 06: 46
    +1
    but in general it’s enough to trade weapons, because we ourselves are few - for every peasant by plane! and I’ll go to the pilots let them teach me. and guys, do not drink beer in front of the telly, and after working at the airport. when there will be 50000000 aircraft, then not one enemy will pass.
  15. rinzhak
    rinzhak 30 May 2012 07: 03
    +6
    The supply of components and spare parts in military equipment is held as a tender basis ?! belay something completely crazy ...
    1. military
      military 30 May 2012 15: 06
      0
      Naturally, on the "tender" laughing and you do not know belay
      Moreover, in the current regulatory legal acts on the procedure for conducting these "tenders", the Supplier (Seller) does not necessarily have to be the Manufacturer (Manufacturer) wink
      There are transactions with one-day firms (precedents by the military department are not advertised) and much more ... interesting ...
      A couple of years ago, one of the neighboring firms - a manufacturer of powerful oscillator-modulator lamps, a KTD calculator holder and the only (on the ruins of the Empire) owner of the appropriate technologies and service stations - quite unexpectedly for itself a "tender" within the framework of the state defense order for a certain Moscow LLC, which does not have no production capabilities, no concept of the subject of the "tender" ... feel (the management of the LLC did not really hide the fact that participation in the "tender" with a guaranteed result was trivially imposed on him ... wink )
      And nobody is even "bothered" by the fact that an economic entity with the organizational and legal form of "LLC" is responsible for its obligations only in the amount of the corresponding authorized capital ... often amounting to 15-20 thousand rubles. wink
  16. Nursultan
    Nursultan 30 May 2012 07: 07
    +2
    What a soft term for the affected image of the country. It was necessary to shoot so that others would be afraid of lowering the country's authority in the eyes of others. and this is not a punishment of 5 years.
  17. vetdd
    vetdd 30 May 2012 07: 54
    +2
    which state are such morals
  18. sergey958ss
    sergey958ss 30 May 2012 08: 07
    0
    A shame!!!! Such need to shoot !!!
  19. zol1
    zol1 30 May 2012 08: 10
    +1
    In any normal country they would give at least a lifetime, and even then to the wall! Long live the Russian court! The most humane court in the world (for thieves and bandits)! Rejoice at Putinoids.
  20. mitya
    mitya 30 May 2012 08: 25
    +3
    5 years? For what? And like this Moreover, as it was established, the enterprises of Sobolev and Kruglenkov did not have a license to trade in arms and military equipment.. How much do we give for illegal acquisition and possession of weapons? And only a gunshot, but here the caliber will be larger! belay
    1. military
      military 30 May 2012 15: 13
      0
      do not confuse the terms "weapons", "military equipment" and "weapons" (GOST RV 51540-2005) ... winked
      by the way, in January 2012 the Ministry of Defense signed a document called "Distribution ..." (sheets of commercials at 13-14), which reflects a whole list of EKPS codes of the RF Armed Forces, according to which the control and acceptance of the airspace of the Ministry of Defense ...
      it's only the beginning... wink
  21. AlexTarov
    AlexTarov 30 May 2012 08: 38
    +5
    The article should have been titled "Russia disgraced itself in determining the punishment for fraudsters who undermined the country's defense capability and prestige."
  22. bubla5
    bubla5 30 May 2012 08: 59
    +5
    While there will be resale in Russia, that is, they sell what they themselves do not release, in other words, speculation, there will be no order in the defense industry.
  23. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 30 May 2012 09: 10
    +4
    Why shoot? This is not humane. Here hands chopped to the elbow and ... to freedom. So that relatives and friends and those around see what happens for theft.
    That's where the flour is. Neither need to cope, nor to dress, not to wash, or to shave. Do not even feel the woman (sorry).
    No, shooting, this is not humane ...
    1. 916-th
      916-th 30 May 2012 11: 26
      0
      Here hands chopped to the elbow and ... to freedom.

      And if you spread this practice everywhere, what order do you order to keep the ax?
    2. VAF
      VAF 30 May 2012 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      This is not humane. Here chop hands on the elbow


      That's right, Valera, +! drinks

      So in Damascus it was ... in the 80s .... once a week on the central square "fresh ones hung" and a sign in English and local languages ​​....

      And hands are not to the elbows ... but only brushes ....

      And what is strange, practically in the evening or at night, trays with jewelery (and what kind of .... Debirs is resting) on ​​the street is free and no one is "looking after" - he came up, took, looked, called the owner and then at the same "auction", though "make" coffee or strong tea drink a bucket and .... "talk about the price", ......... that's why they didn't buy ours. from these trades then two days you can not sleep! coffee is real, .... "not badyazhny" !!

      And for some reason there was no theft, but about the "military", I don't say so at all ...
      shot right away .......
  24. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 30 May 2012 09: 13
    +3
    Friends, let's look at what happened from a different angle. Yes, they hacked (.. Yes, the culprits were left aside. Yes, but at the same time, 34 newest fighters will remain in Russia! Not in Algeria, not in Ganduras, but in our house they are new, even if finished .... They will defend our Homeland ... Enough to rummage about by planes, you need to build a strong army and navy yourself !!! In the courtyard the third world is marking time .... Just about to knock (.
  25. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 30 May 2012 09: 29
    -2
    Quote: PatriotizTAT
    And that all three were not imprisoned like "A thief will not imprison a thief" ?! What kind of government and courts like that ... well, call me orange


    And then the court and the authorities ???? fool
    The authorities have nothing to do with the court! Moreover, this government is more than interested in the good armament of its troops.
    And if you are dissatisfied - go go and demand a more fair trial. For example: file a counterclaim with the Strasbourg court. Okay

    Quote: PatriotizTAT
    Patriots ...

    I am!
    1. PatriotizTAT
      PatriotizTAT 30 May 2012 10: 19
      +6
      "Power has nothing to do with the court" where do you live, Eeee, not really in Israel ?! I'm sorry for the country in what kind of ass we weren't, but this is too much ... I don't fucking need these revolutions ... But let him reduce the mortgage, let him make free treatment really free, what this bald miracle has been doing there for 12 years ... and by the way, he did not remove any thief from the former government, he reassigned them to other posts ... and why, many know a lot .. ..And you GANGSTER when you start paying a mortgage of 19 thousand with a salary of 21, I'll look at you ..... HEROOOOOOOOYYYYY !!!!!!!!!
      1. Manager
        Manager 30 May 2012 13: 57
        0
        Quote: PatriotizTAT
        you will start to pay a mortgage of 19 thousand with a salary of 21 I will look at you


        This is debelism Dear! They themselves are to blame. With such a salary, take a mortgage!
        Well, unless you take an apartment in a mortgage with a 50% down payment and then rent this apartment for several years so that the tenants actually pay the rest.
  26. mishok
    mishok 30 May 2012 10: 06
    0
    what to say?
    the most humane court in the world (((
  27. volcano
    volcano 30 May 2012 10: 22
    +1
    Yes ..... the country has lost a contract of 1.5 billion, and most importantly tarnished the reputation, and these goats 5 years and fines?
    "May our judgment be built! The most humane court in the world."
    Only excessive humanism, as a rule, leads to the fact that those who do not preach this idea begin to shit on the heads of preachers.

    There is a son and dad in the park and sees two dogs mating.
    The son asks, "Dad, what are these dogs doing?"
    The father thought and said, "Sonny, you understand, that dog that was on top ran a lot and was very tired, and that dog that was so kind from below that he pitied her and lay down under her, so that the tired dog would lie down to rest not on the cold ground, but on her . Do you understand my son? "
    Son "Yes, dad, I understand, but why are the kind always e .... t?
    This joke very accurately reflects what is happening in the world. Now, kindness and respect, humanity and forgiveness are perceived exclusively as the weakness of those who show it.
    Unfortunately, apparently we need to get angrier.
    And not that of us either ..... like that dog.
  28. Gur
    Gur 30 May 2012 10: 36
    +3
    The execution ??? Perhaps, but I think that is wasteful. I think I need, following the example of Peter1, to confiscate all property in favor of the state, and to settle in the uninhabited areas of their homeland robbed with a wolf ticket and periodically visit to testify, just like on whose instigation this reptile did this. And populate, populate, populate, so I think both the Chinese and the guest workers will have little room.
  29. expert2008
    expert2008 30 May 2012 12: 20
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    sergunec,
    By the way, our star-striped sworn partners and the Chinese are not shy about executing death sentences. Here, in my opinion, this is exactly the case ....
  30. Dmitry.V
    Dmitry.V 30 May 2012 12: 26
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    "One of the suppliers was sentenced to five years for fraud. The other two got off with fines," Kommersant newspaper wrote on Tuesday. -What!? Yes, for such at least 20 years in a strict regime colony without parole.
    Although the roots will lead to some kind of high ranks from the MO.
  31. Bort radist
    Bort radist 30 May 2012 14: 32
    +1
    It is necessary to tear this leech from the country and from the people! Tear along with the roots. Courts, executions - half measures.
  32. vova56
    vova56 30 May 2012 15: 54
    0
    We cannot decide that we are building capitalism, socialism or some other kind of change, what kind of ideology we are pursuing, there is no stable course of the state! From here and private traders rot in the holy of holies of the military-industrial complex - scary, Putin, scary !!! Yesterday on TV "Zvezda" again put old stuff into repair MI-24, wild horror!
    1. Dmitry.V
      Dmitry.V 30 May 2012 19: 26
      0
      We have already tried a lot, but it’s not suitable for Russia either, it’s being built, or rather built, a tandem of leaders and a certain circle of the elite. The oligarchic power is the goal of selling natural resources such as scientific and human. To stop development and to keep it in a weakened state.
  33. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 30 May 2012 16: 16
    +4
    Everything that is said above ...... everything is correct, a thief must go to jail !!! No questions asked ....... And now look -... "Moreover, as it was established, the enterprises of Sobolev and Kruglenkov did not have a license to trade in arms and military equipment." ....... this is WHAT? ...
    When I purchase any equipment or spare parts at my factory, I’ll check the company of the counterparty 10 times (through all available instances) ....... and then the defense company buys expensive equipment from nobody knows ....
    further .... any specialist will say, during assembly. that the item is recovered or counterfeit .......... is it like they all got together great?
    CONCLUSION: ..... not everyone was judged, they forgot about those who purchased and installed large-scale kickbacks (not to go to the grandmother) ...
    Everything else is lyrics, excuses ....
    Do you agree?
  34. milotchka
    milotchka 30 May 2012 18: 26
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    for some reason the main thing is not mentioned anywhere
    1. not a single detail even a footcloth is applied without a visa of the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the so-called WAR ENVIRONMENT. but for some reason they are not even mentioned.
    2. MO cries that our equipment does not meet modern requirements. BUT!
    requirements and so-called TTZ issues exactly MO! and if it takes something into service, let it seek (kickbacks) from itself.
    3. Our designers and organizers are brilliant, but they are being replaced by thieves of top managers who are deeply ... in RUSSIA

    When our government will understand that it is impossible to save on the defense industry.
    all the advanced technology came from there
    and now there is mass corruption with the Moscow Region
  35. cobra66
    cobra66 30 May 2012 21: 32
    +1
    Well, what are these fines for them?
  36. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 31 May 2012 13: 17
    +1
    Quote: AlexTarov
    The article should have been titled "Russia disgraced itself in determining the punishment for fraudsters who undermined the country's defense capability and prestige."

    I agree with you completely, the K-Evils have shamed a billion-plus contract, disgraced Russia and spanked them in the ass.