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USA: With the help of our submarine drones, NATO will cope with the submarines of the Russian Navy

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The American media recalled that during a meeting of representatives of NATO countries at a recent summit, one of the issues raised concerned the confrontation with the Russian submarine the fleet. The United States invited NATO allies to come together to counter Russian submarines, which are presented as one of the main threats to the security of the alliance.


The October release states that the agreement was signed by the 13 of NATO members, and provides for cooperation in the creation of marine unmanned systems.

USA: With the help of our submarine drones, NATO will cope with the submarines of the Russian Navy


From the release:
When working together with traditional naval weapons, unmanned vehicles will increase our situational awareness, as well as control over the seas from our side. Thanks to this initiative, the Allies will also be able to use the savings at the expense of the scale of production to reduce costs, which will increase the defense budget.


According to these statements, we can conclude that the program is aimed not so much at real opposition to the underwater component of the Russian Navy, as at servicing Trump's wish to increase investments in the NATO budget from the members of the alliance. Earlier, the US president criticized a number of NATO countries (primarily Germany) for the fact that their contributions to the NATO budget are less than 2 percent required by the organization’s charter. And still the USA will receive additional profit, since today it is in the USA that the program is being implemented to create naval-class drones.

Representatives of the states that put their signatures under the agreement: Belgium, Britain, Greece, Holland, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Norway, Poland, Portugal, USA, Turkey and Germany.

From a statement by the senior scientist at the Atlantic Council, Jorge Benitez:
NATO members are concerned about the growing threat from Russian submarines and are investing more resources to cope with this.


Details about the squadron of underwater UAVs USA - link.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 October 2018 07: 56
    +1
    Wow! We’ve come from this side, then ... Well, so far it’s just Wishlist. True, expensive. A way to get Europeans to pay the United States for research and experimentation. Pay a lot ...
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 22 October 2018 09: 21
      +5
      In the future, it’s a very effective thing against submarines, and therefore today we need to start thinking - how to deal with them and put our weapons into service faster.
      1. krot
        krot 22 October 2018 15: 09
        -2
        Will they handle Poseidon too? Or there will be a strait imini USA and a sea named after England
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 22 October 2018 16: 43
          +2
          Quote: krot
          Will they handle Poseidon too?
          Which Poseidon? Who to deal with? You will take off your virtual reality glasses and headphones. Return to the real world. If you don't want to, then you are free to stay there, in the virtual world with virtual straits and seas.
      2. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 22 October 2018 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: maxim947
        so today you need to start thinking

        You could start thinking about it 18 years ago. It is possible today, but it is unlikely to happen. The people who were supposed to do this by job, for these 18 years, if they have changed, it is only for the worse.
  2. Fungus
    Fungus 22 October 2018 08: 06
    -3
    In short, Poseidons will fight with NATO drones under water.
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 22 October 2018 08: 38
      +3
      Quote: Fungus
      In short, Poseidons will fight with NATO drones under water.

      belay no, they won’t .... do you know the tasks of Poseidon? ..... they are at war with continents, not drones))
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 23 October 2018 14: 04
        -2
        Poseidon can’t cope with a small iceberg, far from the continents.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 22 October 2018 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: Fungus
      In short, Poseidons will fight with NATO drones under water.

      Rather, something like Harpsichord 2P-PM, Juno and Vityaz.
      In addition to vehicles using classical propellers, Russian specialists were the first in the world to create a completely unique underwater glider that looked not even like a classic torpedo, but a cruise missile. He is able to move in the body of water according to a given program with a minimum expenditure of energy, like a glider soaring in the sky. It really has wings that allow this fantastic machine to plan underwater over vast distances. Moreover, the energy of its batteries is spent only on changing buoyancy, to ensure the operation of on-board equipment and periodic communication with the base.

      Such a robot glider is capable of being in autonomous scuba diving for up to 30 days. Plying, for example, along guarded borders, a group of such devices is able to provide constant monitoring of vast water areas with minimal energy costs. The gliders themselves move silently, and it is practically impossible to determine that a particular region of the ocean is under their protection.
  3. konstantin68
    konstantin68 22 October 2018 08: 10
    +1
    But are there no weapons? Or a ram? Antenna is also in doubt. Before the thermocline, there may be enough communication. Or maybe not. But the message is good, in the end, the future lies with such devices.
    1. san4es
      san4es 22 October 2018 15: 10
      0
      Quote: konstantin68
      ... ultimately, the future lies with such devices.

      ... Only not in the Arctic. To transmit data echo location and recharge the battery through the ice will not break ... Yes, and a good storm, they will tear off all the antennas.

      The modular cargo bay of the Echo Voyager allows you to equip the submarine with various equipment, which makes it universal for use in military purposes or scientific research. This summer, Boeing plans to conduct the final tests of the new submarine, after which it will enter the domestic and international markets.
      https://warspot.ru/5576-boeing-menyaet-pravila-igry-pod-vodoy
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 22 October 2018 16: 53
        0
        Quote: san4es
        Not in the Arctic. To transmit data of echo-location and recharging the batteries, they will not break through the ice ... Yes, and a good storm, they will tear off all antennas.

        To solve a problem, you should begin to solve it. The road will be overpowered by a walker. And there, along the way, there are solutions.
        Only here they demolished a monument to a similar traveler known as "He who walks will master the road," and a cross was erected in its place.
        1. san4es
          san4es 22 October 2018 17: 01
          0
          Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
          ... should begin to solve it. The road will be overpowered by a walker. And there, along the way, there will be solutions ...

          ...Well yes. if only they paid $$ ...
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 22 October 2018 17: 14
            -1
            Quote: san4es
            ...Well yes. if only they paid $$ ...

            ?
            1. san4es
              san4es 22 October 2018 17: 41
              0
              Quote: Vladimir Postnikov

              ?

              .... This summer, Boeing plans to conduct the final tests of the new submarine, after which it will enter the domestic and international markets.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 22 October 2018 08: 11
    +7
    Now they also want to saturate underwater spaces with killer .... automation!
    The desire of mankind, especially advanced, to universal extermination, is unshakable!
    I wonder how much we will stretch at this pace?
  5. Slinqshot
    Slinqshot 22 October 2018 08: 12
    +1
    Boeing has already dived under water
  6. Guillon
    Guillon 22 October 2018 08: 27
    +2
    We did not start it, but we will end! angry soldier
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 22 October 2018 08: 39
      -1
      Quote: Gillaton
      We did not start it, but we will end!

      and who can see it?
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 October 2018 09: 19
      -2
      It’s high time for Davan to start making his reliable underwater drones.
  7. KOCMOC
    KOCMOC 22 October 2018 08: 39
    +5
    The United States invited NATO allies to come together to counter Russian submarines, which are presented as one of the main threats to the security of the alliance.

    They practically openly declare against whom, this cannot be regarded otherwise than as war, confrontation. And here are some what fool claims that there is no confrontation between the us / west and russia. There are only internal problems, with Putin, officials, oligarchs, pensioners, in short, everything is bad and Putin is to blame for everything, but there are no Americans and the land is flat ... fool
    Z.Y. Americans, like home-grown idiots, don't like Putin either wassat here it is interesting what is common in them? laughing
  8. Larum
    Larum 22 October 2018 08: 55
    0
    What did you want?
    Our announced nuclear-drones, these in response - these.
    As an enai, neither of them really exist yet,
    but unmanned boats in the United States are already actually serving.
    1. stalki
      stalki 22 October 2018 09: 25
      -2
      Where does the infa about what is not? Did the center tell you, or did the granny whisper in her ear?
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 22 October 2018 09: 51
        -1
        There are no grounds for availability. Regardless of the grandmothers from the center.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 22 October 2018 10: 09
          +1
          What do you mean there are no grounds for availability? Argument your statements specifically, or don’t do them at all
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 03
            -1
            Arguments are the most common, and have long been known. Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin constantly mentions them in his outstanding speeches. A shortage of qualified engineers and workers aged 30-50 years, the absence of modern electronic components. If previously the Kibalchysh Boys from rear structures and greedy producers managed to get noticeable parts of components, now the law enforcement and intelligence agencies of NATO partners have strengthened their counterproductive legal and illegal operational activities in this direction. The situation with lithium-ion batteries and acoustics for such drones is especially bad.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 22 October 2018 11: 22
              +1
              "No engineers", "bad with acoustics, batteries and electronics", "Rogozin" - and these are all arguments? Maybe there are specific facts, figures and evidence that we do not have and cannot have working copies?

              Because it looks funny: I, a gunnerminer, responsibly declare that all references and statements about status-6 are just empty talk, and the reason for this is that they "fucked up all the polymers."
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 49
                -2
                -Maybe there are concrete facts, figures and evidence that we do not and cannot have working copies? -

                Understand the working instance is very extensible. It does not represent combat value, since it is not accepted for service, and its parameters do not tire the customer. Such drones are needed for mass saturation of PLO fleets. Another factor is the horse price of the prototype of the working sample. Such a model appeared, and could become even the smallest threat to the NATO submariners, they would have heard about it five times already, including in social networks. Or in personal conversations of military personnel.
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 22 October 2018 12: 01
                  +2
                  And here are the NATO submariners in general, if we are talking about the defeat of the coastal zone? Who said that the parameters do not suit the customer, and where did you manage to see the requirements of the Moscow Region for these same parameters?

                  Answer specifically the previous questions, then translate the topic in a different direction, as you do now.
                  1. gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer 22 October 2018 12: 43
                    -2
                    In the coastal zone, the deployment of NATO submarines begins to carry out the main event and while increasing the level of combat readiness of the fleets.

                    -Who said that the parameters do not suit the customer -

                    Navy life screams about it. If it was convenient for the customer, we would send a series of drones. We would start their mass development at the KTOF and KSF in order to plug a hole in the submarine incomplete set. Changes would be made to the Russian Navy TRPL, combat training course (KPL and KPL).

                    - did you manage to see the requirements of the Moscow Region for these very parameters? -
                    Nobody dares to forbid you to read open sources, and confidentially talk with developers, contractors, naval officers involved.
        2. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 22 October 2018 19: 15
          -2
          There are no grounds for availability. Regardless of the grandmothers from the center.

          We look:
          In March 2018, the Pentagon officially included “Status-6” in the Russian nuclear triad through a report on strategic threats to the United States Nuclear Posture Review

          What do you think? wink
      2. Larum
        Larum 22 October 2018 22: 54
        0
        Our military / scientists several times made it clear in an interview that there was no ready-made system.
        Only tests of different systems. (Star, here, etc.)
        It's like a nuclear rocket, about which the spyen leaked information about a number of unsuccessful trials.
        And a number of scientists / designers said that it is not yet ready-made.
        1. Dr.KonradMorgen
          Dr.KonradMorgen 22 October 2018 23: 53
          -2
          It's like a nuclear rocket, about which the spyen leaked information about a number of unsuccessful trials.

          Well ... If we are to look at things realistically, disinformation can be both the statement of the GDP about the successful creation of a strategic missile defense system with nuclear power-guided missile system, and the statements of Western representatives about the failure of its tests with reference to the "super agent".
  9. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 22 October 2018 09: 18
    -1
    -Representatives of the states that have put their signatures under the agreement: Belgium, Britain, Greece, Holland, Denmark, Spain, Italy, Norway, Poland, Portugal, USA, Turkey and Germany .-

    It is easier to beat with an osprey and an old man. Given the presence, albeit rather poor, of submarines in Turkey, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Poland, the Netherlands, and Norway, they will be able to increase the likelihood of finding Russian submarines in the threatened period, and the high probability of their successful attacks in the operational period.An insignificant number of linear Russian submarines is at hand for the negotiators.Norwegian and Dutch submarine crews are less prepared.Navy and British submarines have no submarines in the UK and the United States hopes for poor progress with the introduction of the submarine drones system.
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    1. dvina71
      dvina71 22 October 2018 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      +1
      It is a logical and expected step.

      Well, the answer to this step is the production and use of rattles drones .. which will wander around the sea and ocean and create loud noises .. imitating schools of fish, sound anomalies .. or just "white noise" .. I would add to the armament such devices ..
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        1. dvina71
          dvina71 22 October 2018 11: 41
          +2
          Quote: rudolff
          can use the active GAS tract.

          Well, here it is only up to the filters .. and frequency matching .. EWs do not interfere with their work .. In addition, rattles for example can mimic the sound profile of a pl .. here it will be fun with PLOShnikov ..
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 50
            -2
            -that will be fun with PLOShnikov ..-

            So far, the Navy ploshniki is not up to the fun.
  11. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 22 October 2018 09: 50
    -1
    Stationary detection tools have a problem in fishing vessels hovering in the areas where they are located. The crews of these fishermen, in the pursuit of profit, go to all sorts of violations. They are not even stopped by warning artillery fires. Rotating antennas of stationary systems are particularly affected, for example, KTOF, near Kamchatka the antenna of one of the complexes was blocked by networks. The crew of the AU Prize, sent to correct the situation, got into the network, lost power, and only the British sailors who came to the rescue helped save the crew. This happened some time after the events of 01.08.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX at the KSF.
  12. Kokarev Mikhail
    Kokarev Mikhail 22 October 2018 10: 04
    0
    Again vparili some x * p * ny European. Profit is profit, and it doesn’t matter what, if only the fairy tale was beautiful! wink
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 06
      -1
      Because they have a powerful administrative resource. Their law enforcement and intelligence bodies have been working hard for years, accumulating materials, including compromising materials regarding their top and regional officials, heads of departments and other responsible persons. Now they are sitting in their offices, and pulling the laces, achieving the desired results.
  13. Sadko88
    Sadko88 22 October 2018 10: 31
    0
    Especially the tsunami of our drones will cope, yeah wink
  14. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 22 October 2018 10: 31
    +1
    Nothing else can be expected from the Anglo-Saxons. They found themselves in a stupor - the "defeated" Russia with its destroyed economy and Western attempts to isolate does not want to die. They already announced the victory and handed out the medals to the “winners”, but here again there is a threat, but they are not ready and relaxed, and here again they have to take the gun in their hands. It's like in kindergarten .....
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 08
      -2
      Не стоит ожидать.Надо действовать.Но ибез англосаксов никуда.Особенно потребны их кредиты.Которые отличаются разумными процентами и сроками.
  15. An60
    An60 22 October 2018 11: 10
    0
    And I wonder why Canada did not sign. Are you pozmotichali or not afraid of Russian submarines?
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 October 2018 11: 18
      -2
      The Canadian authorities can safely enjoy their syrup and watch hockey. Pay attention to the number of linear submarines KSF and KTOF. Especially KTOF.
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 22 October 2018 11: 50
    +1
    The United States behaves like a racketeer, it is trying to extract money from vassals for dubious projects, convincing Europe that we, they say, are protecting you from "evil and totalitarian Russia."
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 October 2018 14: 15
      -1
      There is no one to tackle the racketeer. And he has many vassals.
  17. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 October 2018 15: 03
    0
    All this is in the long term, and NATO should already pay for all US developments .... besides, the effectiveness of drones is still far from the desired result, and our designers are on the alert ...
  18. GUKTU76
    GUKTU76 23 October 2018 13: 29
    0
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Osprey and dad to beat easier.

    We know the results of the activities of the anti-ISIS coalition in Syria before Russia appeared there. And the results of "lonely" Russia.
    The "castrated" brethren are capable of little.
  19. ashnajder
    ashnajder 23 October 2018 15: 54
    0
    the first motorists also shouted, buy a horse)))))) and where are the horses now))?