At the crash site L-39 found fragments of bodies. The search continues

At the crash site of the training aircraft L-39 of the Combat Training Center of the flight personnel of the Russian Navy in the Sea of ​​Azov, two body fragments were found. About this reports TASS with reference to an informed source.

According to published information, at the crash site of the L-39 aircraft in the Sea of ​​Azov, work is underway to rise to the surface of the aircraft wreckage. At the moment, about 50 debris has been raised to the surface. Among the destroyed parts of the aircraft, two fragments of the body were found on the bottom, the search work continues. More information at this time is not available.

As previously reported, the training plane L-39 "Albatross" of the Center for Combat Training of the flight personnel of the Russian Navy took off from the military airfield in Yeisk on Thursday and crashed into the Sea of ​​Azov half a kilometer from the coast during a training flight. According to preliminary information, the pilot and the navigator managed to leave the cockpit, having ejected on the water area of ​​the Azov Sea in the area of ​​the Dolzhanskaya Spit.

The plane was flying without ammunition, the cause of the accident is a technical malfunction.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation continues to search for the crew of the aircraft, and it is not planned to stop the operation.

Comments

[dSK]

Was there a message that one pilot was saved?

[Rushnairfors]

There have been so many messages that it’s even disgusting to read. Kau is always someone's grief, and our media are making sensational reports.

[faiver]

Earth you rest in peace guys

[parusnik]

Among the destroyed parts of the aircraft at the bottom, two fragments of the body

.. It’s hard to read this .. I didn’t want it to be true ...

[askort154]

dsk ... Was there a message that one pilot was saved?

The Russian Ministry of Defense immediately denied this fake. It is not necessary to immediately "conduct" information on the Internet. You should always double-check.

[askort154]

askort154 ... Quotes from the article .. " Among the destroyed parts of the plane at the bottom two fragments of the body were found, search work continues. No further details are available at this time. And here:
Russian Defense Ministry continues to search for the crew aircraft, the termination of the operation is not planned.

Here is what I wrote above. Modern media sculpt Old, like a bazaar woman in the market.
If only to give out "hot", without going into the veracity of information, because there is no responsibility for the lie.

[StudentVK]

That's for sure (unfortunately!

[private person]

But what about the statements of the MO that the pilots ejected? Although what can I say if the commander does not follow the words. But pilots feel sorry for the kingdom of heaven.

[Piramidon]

Quote: private person

But what about the statements of the MO that the pilots ejected?

Bailouts are not always salvation. Estimate, if you catapult from an inverted position or with a big roll, and even the height, according to reports, was less than 100m ...

[private person]

At the crash site of L-39, fragments of bodies were found.

Keyword fragments, they most likely did not have time to eject.

[Piramidon]

Quote: private person

catapult they rather in

Why guess? The commission will sort it out. It is possible that one of the pilots ejected, while the other did not. And if you catapult not up, but down, then after hitting the water, only "fragments" will also remain.

[K-36]

Yesterday I also suggested a tragic outcome. I just did not want to upset those who were worried and hoping.
For me, as a person competent in matters of PSO flights, everything immediately became clear after the message that "three-hour searches have not yielded results yet". For those wishing to delve deeper, I will explain:
1. The most important moment (after reporting the disappearance of the aircraft from the screens of the locators and the loss of communication with it) is information about the activation of the emergency radio beacon. If it worked, then it is already a solid (practically) fact that the pilot ejected. For this emergency "Mosquito "can only turn on after opening the rescue parachute and NOT EARLIER !!!
2. Further, everything is simple. A search helicopter is lifted into the air, the standard search radio equipment of which includes an emergency frequency direction finder of the ARC family. When climbing to a height of 1 km, the helicopter detects the emergency radio beacon of the pilot and, following the arrow of the ARC, goes to this radio beacon. The capture range from this height is approximately 30 km. When lifting to a greater height, the capture range increases accordingly. The flight crew immediately transfers the entire cactus of the search crew.All this (take-off on alarm and climb 1 km) in practice takes about half an hour.After capturing a beacon search issue can be considered resolved. Next, the next phase is already taking effect: the provision of necessary assistance and evacuation.
That is why yesterday after reporting a futile three-hour search and some mention of the operation of a beacon, I understood the alleged results of this emergency.
With respect to all who have read this my comment

[gunnerminer]

The most worthy comment.

[NN52]

K 36
You wrote it right ...
The guys are where the wreckage is ... unfortunately ...

[Servisinzhener]

Unfortunately you were right. This morning they reported that they crashed with the plane.

[Chicha squad]

Could Ukrainian air defenses bring him down, as I understand it, there is a stone's throw from there?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Chicha Squad

Could Ukrainian air defenses bring him down, as I understand it, there is a stone's throw from there?

Do not be like Svidomo. Those everywhere see the "hand of Moscow", and you see the "hand of Kiev".

[Chicha squad]

I kind of asked. I thought the local commanders would answer me. I’m not an expert. But alas.

[K-36]

Quote: NN52

K 36
You wrote it right...
The guys are where the wreckage is ... unfortunately ...

For you, taking into account your military profession, I will share one of my many years of pain (for pilots, for rescue crews, for the country in the end !!!). Long ago, even during my service, I repeatedly appealed to senior officers of the EG APSS with a request for assistance in the development of a special aircraft (and helicopter at the same time) radio beacon by the industry, which would be fired from the keel of the aircraft (tail boom of the helicopter) when it hit the ground (in case the pilots were unable to leave the emergency vehicle). How many such search operations have lasted for years ... And even worse: in the border areas, the crashed pilots were gradually considered deserters. With all that it implies (the remaining family was considered accomplices of a traitor-defector, and therefore to hell with you, and not a pension for the loss of a breadwinner). I remember a case more than 30 years ago: the Mi-2 was carrying gold from a mine. They fell into the taiga. The board is not a military one, so you don't have to remember about the "Komar". They were looking for. Long. Not found. And, of course, the label "plunders of social property stole the gold of the state and fled to China with the people's gold". A few years later, the wreckage of that helicopter was found by a taiga hunter. Only bones are from people, and gold is in bags and sealed ... Such is the oil painting.
And now, already at 18. next century, I look around and what do I see ??? "The cart is still there." Nobody needs it. And again they will search for weeks, months and years until someone accidentally stumbles upon it. Such is the sorrow of my soul.
Best regards

[NN52]

K-36
Perhaps you are right about the radio beacon .... By the way, in 1985, in the same Yeysk after take-off (left with a decrease), the Su-7 (cadet) disappeared, they say in the estuaries ... The plane has not been found so far ...
But the keel radio beacon is not a 100% guarantee that he will shoot back, depending on the position the plane came to land or water ...
As, for example, in the case of these guys, lieutenants ..... "lanterns in the water" ..... I think you, as a specialist, do not need to explain anything else on this occasion ....
Sincerely.
PS I was always a little afraid of the chair (the consequences, more precisely ...), but I never doubted that it should save, ideally (although it depends on what conditions to "get out" of the cockpit ...)

[san4es]

Dim is healthy.

Quote: NN52

... But the keel radio beacon is not a 100% guarantee that he will shoot back, depending on the position the plane came to land or water ...

... Moreover, if he shoots back for ten kilometers. from the place of landing
... It is necessary that it works directly on board (in any conditions) ... Well, in an extreme case, it detaches and works! on impact to the ground / water (only)

https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=автоматический%20аварийный%20радиомаяк%20самолёта
... But on the combat sides. Is it advisable to have an auto-beacon "? .. Will all enemies run to it? (in the DB zone)

[Demon_is_ada]

Dear Victor, how right you are. This idea in 90 cases out of 100 will save you from a tedious and multi-time search. Moreover, it seems to me that the design is even without a squib, the simplest mechanics that eject the transmitter and deploy the antenna, and without extreme overloads ... It can be assembled on an element base of 70 years from a young technician ... I don’t understand the reluctance of the leadership ...

[Unemployed]

But I understand. Moms give birth to new ones. But they cannot - China will help. And all of Central Asia.

[san4es]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

... save you from tedious and time-consuming searches. And as it seems to me the design - even without a squib ...

https://studfiles.net/preview/6153658/page:6/

Go to:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=автоматический%20аварийный%20радиомаяк%20самолёта

[Pete mitchell]

K-36 After reading your comment, I felt sad: what was the problem with the Yak-38 "Edge": with the rescued emergency operation drive "Opushka-VM", which allows recording on a magnetic tape the main parameters of the operation of all engines, ensuring their operation of systems, as well as the parameters of the trajectory in all flight modes. In the event of an aircraft collision with water or land, the safety of the record is ensured .to. the "Opushka-VM" drive is located in the rear fuselage and is enclosed in an armored body, which is fired in an emergency. The hull is buoyant and equipped with a radio beacon to facilitate its search

[helmi8]

Quote: K-36

with a request for assistance in the development by industry of a special airplane (and also a helicopter at the same time) radio beacon, which would be fired from the keel of the aircraft

Well, if they did ...
We don’t even have all planes (helicopters) equipped with NAZs, but only in it there is an automatic radio beacon. On the R-855, the lighthouse mode is manually turned on, and again, they are not always issued to flight crews ...

[st2st]

K-36, CASE WITH GOLD, 1996, AMUR REGION. SELEMDZHINSKY R-ON. FOUND EVENK LOCAL, GOLD WAS 42 KG,

[faridg7]

So they still left, I was hoping for some kind of miracle, but no. Condolences to the loved ones

[K-36]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Dear Victor, how right you are. This idea in 90 cases out of 100 will save you from a tedious and multi-time search. And as it seems to me the design - even without a squib, is the simplest mechanics which will throw out the transmitter and deploy the antenna, and without extreme overloads ... It can be assembled on the base of 70 years from a young technician ... I don’t understand the reluctance of the leadership ...

Uv. Dtmon is ada. I suggested (during the years of my service) with the sensor for shooting such an airplane (helicopter) radio beacon to use an overload sensor already available on airplanes, used to detonate the "friend or foe" equipment, which will issue a command to detonate if the pilot was no longer able to manually turn on the toggle "SRO explosion" (wounded, killed or confused from the abundance of fallen circumstances). The magnitude of the triggered overload on this sensor was adjustable, and in my sclerosis it was about 17 units. That is, giving a signal to the electric detonator when an overload occurs, it is much higher than the specified maximum operating! Thus, when an aircraft (helicopter) hit the surface, such a radio beacon would fire back (even if the pilots could not leave the emergency vehicle). Yes, even if they could, then it is still necessary to look for the fallen car !!! Take the recent case in Syria. The Su-30 crew gurgled into the Mediterranean and no emergency beacon signals were sent. Again to search for conflicting eyewitness accounts? And if it happened at night ??? Otkel take real witnesses ??? As ???
I recalled another recent case. This time in our native birches. An-2 crashed in the Urals. With a crew and some passengers on board. Of course, they immediately organized a search. Searched, searched, but found the hell ... And only the next year, again by accident .... Well, until when (in trigodosudumat)!?!?
I apologize for getting nervous. And so with respect

[Rushnairfors]

From Yeisk, they got the SOK, and it’s not SARPP12GM but “Test”, probably something like “Tester”. So, according to preliminary data with the engine and smstems, the norm, these are the extreme data.

[NN52]

Dim ... there already ... tentatively ...
The guys "fledged" ... early ...

[Rushnairfors]

Yeah, heaven be with them, boys at all, heaven rest in peace

[NN52]

Dim, if that, in PM .. No words, some emotions ... on PMV ... And ... a lot of things ...

[Demon_is_ada]

You have got a highly specialized version for military equipment, in principle it is self-sufficient ... Laying the communication line over the aircraft body, noise immunity again ... re-equipment presents certain problems ... but the result certainly outweighs everything and everything. And your mention of AN is by the way, there is not all of the above, but the fact that after the fall there probably were still living people, I'm sure of that. Low speed, low mass of structural elements, so they died after a fall, waiting for help ...
Well, about your thoughts below about bailouts ... Having raised two daughters, then my son-in-law, a cat, and a dog while I work unsuccessfully, I became a supporter of tough totalitarianism in security matters, it’s easier for me to sit on a soup and rivet planes than to do education ... Hard work and sometimes stupid in the case of my dog, with the rest I was very lucky. Pilots are a priori the elite of the nation, the gene pool so priority is bailout, and then other heroism is thought out from and to ... The most terrible book on earth is a safety technique written with blood on the skin and this is a real fact, my nickname is partly about this reason ...
I’ll send you a PM in a couple of days (work, however, does not give earlier), I will send sketches of the self-contained maintenance-free module and, considering your knowledge and practice, I think you will finalize it, I don’t have any specifics for operation ...
Sincerely.

[DPN]

It all starts with a lie, then to make excuses, the shallow sea of ​​which there to look for, except for black boxes.
I don’t know who is to blame, let the land for GUYS be rest in peace.

[K-36]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

K-36 After reading your comment, I felt sad: what was the problem with the Yak-38 "Edge": with the rescued emergency operation drive "Opushka-VM", which allows recording on a magnetic tape the main parameters of the operation of all engines, ensuring their operation of systems, as well as the parameters of the trajectory in all flight modes. In the event of an aircraft collision with water or land, the safety of the record is ensured .to. the "Opushka-VM" drive is located in the rear fuselage and is enclosed in an armored body, which is fired in an emergency. The hull is buoyant and equipped with a radio beacon to facilitate its search

I am pleased to welcome! I remembered that when I took over the affairs and position in one Chernozem regiment, there were 4 units in the states. Yak is either 36, or 38 (I don't remember "years ago"). Less than six months later, they were taken away by the Balts. And before delivery, these devices had to be flown (at our airfield, of course). Duc, after the flights, I personally expressed my respect to them, although I did not know them personally, and in their uniform they had 2 gaps (instead of my one). However, I apologize for the surging memories. But in fact, I involuntarily confess that I have not even heard of "The Edge". It turns out that sane people in the industry worked on this topic ... That is, there is already some kind of backlog ?! Inevitably, the question asks: well, what m .... udak tried to close this Topic ??? !!! Just not words ...
And thank you for responding to the topic I raised

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: K-36

I tried to close this topic ??? !!! Just no words ....

The topic was apparently closed along with the Yak-38m theme. The edges were set only at -38m, and they were outwardly different.
It's nice to talk with a specialist. Like all pilots, I am wary of bailouts, but the older ones said - if the car wants to bang you, then go out. Although the instructor with -23 always said: I won’t wait if that. And then reseeding on Elka-39, he persuaded the cadet for twenty seconds when the engine stopped on take-off.

[K-36]

Quote: NN52

K-36
Perhaps you are right about the radio beacon .... By the way, in 1985, in the same Yeysk after take-off (left with a decrease), the Su-7 (cadet) disappeared, they say in the estuaries ... The plane has not been found so far ...
But the keel radio beacon is not a 100% guarantee that he will shoot back, depending on the position the plane came to land or water ...
As, for example, in the case of these guys, lieutenants ..... "lanterns in the water" ..... I think you, as a specialist, do not need to explain anything else on this occasion ....
Sincerely.
PS I was always a little afraid of the chair (the consequences, more precisely ...), but I never doubted that it should save, ideally (although it depends on what conditions to "get out" of the cockpit ...)

SW NN 52. Yes, I understand everything about not 100% of the result of shooting from the tail. Only real practice inexorably tells the tail of the aircraft (whether it is an airplane, a helicopter), which remain less damaged when they hit the surface (relative to other structurally significant airframe nodes) . And my Choice was also not from the Half-Finger-Ceiling. Reflected before offering.
Regarding the perception by pilots of the catapult, as the last chance for salvation. Forgive me if anything, but I think, that most pilots are still jump when "...staying in the cabin becomes worse than inside"And I will never reproach any pilot for his decision. For His life is at stake. Remember Kvochur with his record-low altitude catapults in Le Bourget and then with Saki. So after all, he is alive !!! And" his experience of difficult mistakes is difficult. "tries to convey as best he can.
PS I learned about the state of emergency with L-39 over the Sea of ​​Azov from media news and paging of this Review. I don’t know the details. I hope on Monday at my airport I will learn more from friends from my friends (my graduates are still wearing uniforms).
The pilots of the dead are sorry. After all, these are pilots of our country with you. I hope (sincerely) their families will not go unnoticed by the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS.

[K-36]

Quote: K-36

Quote: NN52

K-36
Perhaps you are right about the radio beacon .... By the way, in 1985, in the same Yeysk after take-off (left with a decrease), the Su-7 (cadet) disappeared, they say in the estuaries ... The plane has not been found so far ...
But the keel radio beacon is not a 100% guarantee that he will shoot back, depending on the position the plane came to land or water ...
As, for example, in the case of these guys, lieutenants ..... "lanterns in the water" ..... I think you, as a specialist, do not need to explain anything else on this occasion ....
Sincerely.
PS I was always a little afraid of the chair (the consequences, more precisely ...), but I never doubted that it should save, ideally (although it depends on what conditions to "get out" of the cockpit ...)

SW NN 52. Yes, I understand everything about not 100% of the result of shooting from the tail. Only real practice inexorably tells the tail of the aircraft (whether it is an airplane, a helicopter), which remain less damaged when they hit the surface (relative to other structurally significant airframe nodes) . And my Choice was also not from the Half-Finger-Ceiling. Reflected before offering.
Regarding the perception by pilots of the catapult, as the last chance for salvation. Forgive me if anything, but I think, that most pilots are still jump when "...staying in the cabin becomes worse than inside"And I will never reproach any pilot for his decision. For His life is at stake. Remember Kvochur with his record-low altitude catapults in Le Bourget and then with Saki. So after all, he is alive !!! And" his experience of difficult mistakes is difficult. "tries to convey as best he can.
PS I learned about the state of emergency with L-39 over the Sea of ​​Azov from media news and paging of this Review. I don’t know the details. I hope on Monday at my airport I will learn more from friends from my friends (my graduates are still wearing uniforms).
The pilots of the dead are sorry. After all, these are pilots of our country with you. I hope (sincerely) their families will not go unnoticed by the Commander-in-Chief of the VKS.

Sorry, I was distracted by the pet cat after visiting the "pot". It was necessary to clean up, otherwise it will not lag behind. In short, he knocked off the clear flow of thought. Therefore, I am getting better: "The pilot will always jump when it becomes worse to stay in the cockpit than outside her "

[NN52]

We didn’t jump ... in '96 ... from 31B ... at the end of the run ... and with a fucking side slip on the ground ...
Therefore, they survived ....
And it was scary ...

[K-36]

Quote: NN52

We didn’t jump ... in '96 ... from 31B ... at the end of the run ... and with a fucking side slip on the ground ...
Therefore, they survived ....
And it was scary ...

So, two p / p-ka did not jump into my regiment either. On takeoff, a squiggle (with dutik together) broke off from the right main landing gear on their twin Su-17. Their hands. flights notified about it. It was March. And it was just beginning to melt. They looked from the air at the designated area of ​​ejection and decided to land at their airfield, because they did not want to swim in the icy mess of the river breaking open from the ice. They sat down in complete silence (because immediately after touching the concrete, the engine was turned off). I tell you as an eyewitness. They decided not to take us (SPDG) into the air, because they knew about the decision of the pilots to land at their airfield. We sat down on two dutik and the right "Mosol". As soon as we put out the speed, we released our braking parachute. In complete silence ... Eat-bang, Unforgettable! As soon as the "mosol-crutch" hooked on the concrete, the plane immediately threw to the right (on the IVVP, because such an RP and the regiment had been foreseen in advance). I slipped on the viscous March ground about 50m away from the runway and got stuck. I remember the trace from the lower false keel (the furrow, as after a tractor with a plow ) Awarded both. Orders. For the courage and safety of the aircraft. I can publish the names, because they really deserve it.
Best regards