Military Review

Echo of Kerch. Rosgvardiya offers revision of the rules for storing weapons

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Against the background of the tragic events in Kerch, the issue of legislation in the field of sale, storage and carrying once again became acute. weapons. The main disputes flared up again between supporters and opponents of the legalization of the firearm short in a civil plan. Proponents of this initiative say that if a short-barreled weapon were at least one of the guards or teachers, then so many victims could have been avoided. Opponents cite as an example the United States, where legalized weapons do not lead to a decrease in attacks on schools and other places of mass stay of people.




Against this background, the Rosguard prepared draft resolution to tighten the rules on the storage of weapons. The project is published on the state portal.

From the material:
In order to ensure the implementation of the authority to check the storage conditions of the owners of the registered weapons at the place of stay, the draft resolution establishes the obligation to notify the citizens of the Russian Federation and foreign citizens by any available means ensuring the confirmation of such notification by the territorial body of the Federal Service of National Guard forces or actually finding the weapons belonging to them for more than 3 days in such places x within 3-x working days from the date of arrival at the specified location.


It is reported that the measure to notify the bodies of the Rosguard about movements with previously acquired weapons will improve control over the circulation of weapons.

The draft also specifies the rules for the transfer of weapons. In particular, we are talking about the transfer of weapons during transportation to employees of transport security units.

At the end of the explanatory note states that the adoption of the draft resolution does not require additional costs from the federal budget.

Recall that October 17 was attacked at the Kerch Polytechnic College. The victims of the criminal became a 20 man, he himself shot himself. More than 50 people were injured, the condition of several injured is estimated as extremely serious. The investigation collects all the materials that could shed light, including the fact that prompted the suspect in the commission of a massacre to this nightmarish crime.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 October 2018 11: 12
    +53
    On our site two years or maybe less ago there was an article about the sale of weapons with which you can storm even the Kremlin. And the short barrels. Pistols are banned. I don’t remember exactly. But I liked the article then. What can I say. So it is. And on the initiative of the National Guard. So it's the same thing that you make vodka more expensive. Dad, will you really drink less? No children, you eat less.
    1. tasha
      tasha 20 October 2018 11: 20
      -24
      Yes Yes. We have a fire, and we’ll spill gasoline there. Small bottles, short-barrel ...

      The value of the article is in question. These changes last year were in the project, it seems.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 20 October 2018 11: 27
        +58
        It doesn't matter if these innovations make practical sense. It is important to report to the authorities and the public that measures have been taken, the guard is watching and is ready to help.
        At large enterprises after an emergency, the same garbage.
        1. hrych
          hrych 20 October 2018 11: 41
          +49
          Quote: Pereira
          It is important to report to superiors and the public

          Zolotov’s next disgrace, well, I wouldn’t legally buy a barrel, but I bought legally type bombs. Instead of mumbling with bulk, he thought better of how to protect the places of crowds and children, and not infringe law-abiding citizens with legal trunks. It’s time to transfer to another honorable job, to know vegetable stores there, you can be the head of the department of latrines of all Russia ...
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 20 October 2018 11: 50
            +17
            Quote: hrych
            Quote: Pereira
            It is important to report to superiors and the public

            Zolotov’s next disgrace, well, I wouldn’t legally buy a barrel, but I bought legally type bombs. Instead of mumbling with bulk, he thought how to protect crowded places and childrenand not to infringe on law-abiding citizens with legal trunks. It’s time to transfer to another honorable job, to know vegetable stores there, you can be the head of the department of latrines of all Russia ...

            he has a different task, the Kremlin and edro defend
            1. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 20 October 2018 14: 00
              +1
              If now Zolotov was not also explained to us? Well, be a different leader. The existence of the organization, in my opinion, is justified. There is a threat of a "coup"
              1. Arh
                Arh 20 October 2018 15: 09
                -3
                I believe that firearms should be sold from the age of 21 !!!
                1. Egg
                  Egg 20 October 2018 18: 45
                  +16
                  Quote: Arh
                  I believe that firearms should be sold from the age of 21 !!!

                  yeah, yeah, that means he’s been in the army since he was 18 years old, he can be trusted with assault rifles, or even more powerful, but he can’t sell civilian weapons from 21, you can’t, stupid yet.
                  1. Horse, people and soul
                    Horse, people and soul 20 October 2018 23: 32
                    -2
                    Приобрести weapons should be possible only after military service. And to serve THREE years from 18 to 21.

                    And all three years every day, a march-throw in full gear and with weapons.

                    hi

                    Whoever doesn’t get tired - let them buy.

                    Now a weapon is just some kind of fetish.
                    1. ochakow703
                      ochakow703 22 October 2018 09: 51
                      0
                      And I agree with you! He did not serve in the Army - do not give a driver’s license, do not sell weapons (even a racquat), do not work in government agencies am .
                2. Voyager
                  Voyager 21 October 2018 23: 54
                  0
                  Better later.
              2. zusima1905
                zusima1905 20 October 2018 19: 31
                -1
                What and where is the coup ???
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 12: 09
            +8
            Quote: hrych
            he thought how to protect the places of crowds and children,

            So what about?
            It's easy to criticize, nothing to do at all
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 13: 18
              +33
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: hrych
              he thought how to protect the places of crowds and children,

              So what about?
              It's easy to criticize, nothing to do at all

              If a nation decided not to live in a criminal society, but in a state, then the basic rights and obligations of all citizens should be the same. The law in respect of any citizen must be respected to the fullest extent possible.
              Children's institutions can be protected by a reliable fencing system (preschool age) and an appropriate security system in educational institutions (access control). So far, we have more protection at retail outlets and at enterprises. It is time to finally determine the architectural designs of Russian schools, and not to sculpt them to the taste of the mayor, and not to repair what is time to demolish.
              At school, the child should study, and not be the object of bullying "stupid brat" and even more so, is not obliged to listen to insults from teachers.
              Probably it is worth considering the question of the rules for the violation of which the culprit can be expelled from school ...
              As for weapons. It’s for personal use, while the state is not able to come up with laws against gopoty, against owners walking dogs without muzzles, etc. it is possible to allow short-barreled weapons, the issuance of which will protect the owner from unnecessary attacks on his health. (Rules can be specified).
              To protect the home, allow the purchase of pump-action shotguns and their use in case of attack, penetration, etc. (with the obligatory installation of video cameras at the input) ...
              There are many nuances. But the conclusion should be like that. The prohibition of carrying (availability) of weapons is possible only if the state provides measures for the safety of citizens by 99,999% ...
              Maybe I'm wrong, but this is my opinion.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 20 October 2018 13: 53
                +5
                Ross, I regret that I can only + put: actually voiced my thoughts
              2. igorbrsv
                igorbrsv 20 October 2018 14: 12
                +13
                I have a suggestion. Revive the Octobrists, the pioneers and the Komsomol. But not by coup. Build communism, taking into account the mistakes, borrowing some experience from the capitalists. Create a new ideology. Give the younger generation the meaning of life
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 20 October 2018 15: 27
                  +9
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  Give the younger generation the meaning of life

                  In this system, there is only one meaning in life - to row "loot" and more, walking over the "corpses of competitors"!
                  Isn't this ancient Spartan "style" propagated by our "reformers" in all spheres of society? Here the "flowers" are ripe for "berries"!
                2. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 15: 51
                  +11
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  Create a new ideology. Give the younger generation the meaning of life

                  Children are very sensitive to lies. To lose the trust and respect of a child, it is enough to deceive or in vain offend him once. Agree that for life it is much more important to teach creation than street (sports) scuffle. Do not pave the street with broken teeth.
                  If you create a new ideology (and why create it), then only that when the society lives according to the laws of social justice, when everyone in it knows not only its rights and opportunities, but also fulfills its duties. There is not much work, you just have to be a man, and not all guzzling thick-skinned cattle, which turned hypocrisy into the meaning of life.
                  1. igorbrsv
                    igorbrsv 20 October 2018 16: 02
                    +1
                    Therefore, he cited the example of the Octobrists and pioneers. Atheist himself, baptized, Orthodox. I used to read the Bible. And about the ten commandments. Some remembered. Do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultery, I remember most of all. I won’t say that I didn’t sin and I don’t count on paradise. But still, I will always try to adhere to these principles.
                3. Ace Tambourine
                  Ace Tambourine 20 October 2018 17: 28
                  -1
                  And Vladimir Ilyich most certainly ....
                4. Simargl
                  Simargl 20 October 2018 19: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  Revive the Octobrists, the pioneers and the Komsomol.
                  The idea of ​​the pioneers was ripped off from the scout movement.
                  Now, it seems, they have begun to forget scouts and beyond the puddle.
                5. Non liberoid Russian
                  Non liberoid Russian 20 October 2018 21: 51
                  +3
                  ideology needs a goal and an idea ... in Russia, the majority has only one goal - to survive, and minorities - to enrich themselves and to burp into London-Washington-Cyprus-Paris
              3. basmach
                basmach 20 October 2018 15: 14
                +14
                Of course, let's create high-security schools and kindergartens in the colony. Only now in the USSR there was neither a thorn in schools, nor a guard. Like bombings and firing.
                1. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 20 October 2018 15: 51
                  0
                  But here is the spec. schools were both registration, and universal censure. Otherwise, I agree
                2. Irokez
                  Irokez 20 October 2018 16: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: basmach
                  Only now in the USSR there was neither a thorn in schools, nor a guard. Like bombings and firing.

                  I want to note that there wasn’t such an operative media and even not everyone had telephones in their houses and therefore a lot was simply unknown to us. There are only two TV channels 1 and 2. It was possible to show their significance and coolness only in their own yard or at a maximum at school, therefore fame did not work throughout the country. But such situations were scanty and not on such a scale, as weapons were usually not in hand. Although each kid and scarecrows had their own guns (arson) and mini-packages in order to explode, but all this on a small scale with a meager effect. And it turns out to play and outgrown and even if you want, then do not heap up as in the Crimea.
                  All notorious hooligans were removed from schools to the right places. That’s why there were no fences, although the fences were normal and they are now there too, but the regional committees used to be under a good fence, but right now they’ve removed almost everywhere.
                  1. Egg
                    Egg 20 October 2018 19: 04
                    +8
                    You are not entirely correct. Weapons from the Second World War were quite enough in the regions where the war took place, even guns came across in the barns, not to mention machine guns and other things. Yes, and in the villages around Kovrov, almost every yard was. In the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, there were a lot of poachers, each driver carried a gun behind the seat back in the cab. We, boys, dug up a company warehouse during the Second World War, there were only "schmeisers" there were several boxes, zero, in grease.
                    So in the USSR, the population of the weapon was quite imagined, not to say that it was not enough.
                    1. not main
                      not main 20 October 2018 19: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: Telur
                      You are not entirely correct. Weapons from the Second World War were quite enough in the regions where the war took place, even guns came across in the barns, not to mention machine guns and other things. Yes, and in the villages around Kovrov, almost every yard was. In the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, there were a lot of poachers, each driver carried a gun behind the seat back in the cab. We, boys, dug up a company warehouse during the Second World War, there were only "schmeisers" there were several boxes, zero, in grease.
                      So in the USSR, the population of the weapon was quite imagined, not to say that it was not enough.

                      Add! In the 79th, my brothers and I unearthed a caches with 3 PPSh and 15 rifles! Of which only two were Mausers!
                  2. Non liberoid Russian
                    Non liberoid Russian 20 October 2018 21: 55
                    +5
                    were there no weapons in your arms? was, sometimes not on one trunk
                  3. ROBIN-SON
                    ROBIN-SON 21 October 2018 20: 55
                    +4
                    Or maybe it's good that there were TV1 and TV2. They muttered something from the stands, people passed by their ears.
                    But there were good films with good artists, humorists from whom laughed. People crowded into theaters, at concerts of western stars. In libraries, a monthly entry for a good journal
                    And now? To the dope of channels, you need to twist something for 24 hours. What movie masterpieces? poor servant and son of a huckster daddy. "Artists" recruited from the villages, playing themselves.
                    1. Jerk
                      Jerk 21 October 2018 21: 02
                      +2
                      Zadornov - it just became 24 times MORE - nothing to watch
                      1. ROBIN-SON
                        ROBIN-SON 21 October 2018 21: 19
                        +3
                        I stick out from the "Ural dumplings", men and women. Guys with bulging eyes, a woman's fight. As soon as I get on them, I immediately extinguish. Apparently not mature enough before them, it's probably like the paintings of Pablo Picasso, not everyone understands.
                        Here R. Kartsev died, so he left a good memory of himself. I will remember these crayfish for the rest of my days.
                3. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 22 October 2018 10: 02
                  0
                  Then we lived in "isolation" and behind the "iron curtain", and now we live in a walk-through yard, and any rag-tag is able to walk up and down, do things and get away. And yet. Remember, there were three wonderful organizations - October, Pioneer and Komsomol. So - I want to join the Komsomol, and cover the rest of the loyalty with the Iron Curtain.
              4. Andrey591
                Andrey591 20 October 2018 17: 06
                +1
                The law enforcement officers were so "twisted" that they once again do not want to suppress offenses, so that they are not accused of exceeding. And even more so about the use of weapons. Then you get tired of writing paper. They will "drag" to the investigator! And you are going to apply yourself that you will be given more rights than them?
              5. Horse, people and soul
                Horse, people and soul 20 October 2018 23: 46
                +3
                Yes, but ...

                Because of errors in the policy on arms control, the country was flooded with rubber reels, which completely depreciated the appearance of a man with a gun (did you cut the fly from the scarecrow?).

                In addition, it turned out that rubber nozzles are used not for self-defense, but as a "punishment" in situations where it is generally impossible to use weapons according to the law.

                It would be good if the rubber and gas pistols were forbidden, seized, and compensation coupons issued upon seizure. Wait a few years and ... allow the short-barrel under four separate licenses: official activity, sports, self-defense and hunting (selection of wounded animals).

                What about coupons? With coupons - either a refund of part of the money spent on rubber sands. Or a discount when buying weapons.
              6. Grim Reaper
                Grim Reaper 21 October 2018 05: 25
                +3
                SW ROSS 42.
                As for dogs, I'll fix you up. There is a law that obliges all dogs to walk only on a leash. And medium and large breeds on a leash and in a muzzle.
                That it is not respected is another matter.
              7. Shtroffrus
                Shtroffrus 21 October 2018 09: 19
                +1
                Unfortunately you're right
              8. nerd.su
                nerd.su 21 October 2018 10: 57
                -2
                Quote: ROSS 42
                As for weapons. It’s for personal use, while the state is not able to come up with laws against gopoty, against owners walking dogs without muzzles, etc. it is possible to allow short-barreled weapons, the issuance of which will protect the owner from unnecessary attacks on his health. (Rules can be specified).

                If the state, having failed to curb the laws of dog owners, allows the short-barrels to protect against dogs, then what should be allowed to protect the short-barrels? Or is it harder to curb dog owners than short-barrel owners? And what is more dangerous, a dog or a short barrel with a pair of spare clips?
              9. Dagger75
                Dagger75 21 October 2018 14: 15
                +2
                All this is true, only the state will not do this, it is easier to prohibit shrinking, reduce rights, etc., etc. The offender, with rare exceptions, uses illegal weapons, the Kerch case does not count.
                1. ROBIN-SON
                  ROBIN-SON 21 October 2018 20: 58
                  +1
                  Yeah, especially when the policeman in years, grumbled at the driver of the garbage truck that he did not pass his car. I got into the artery, I don’t remember what happened to the brow.
                  1. Jerk
                    Jerk 21 October 2018 21: 04
                    +2
                    Injury, do not shoot a policeman, hit the femoral artery. There is only one result - death from blood loss, not even any competent physician can postpone it - there isn’t enough weight to squeeze it, he shot through a truck door from an injury. And there’s not enough time to run - she, this arthria, is almost sleepy, quickly pumping the whole volume of blood into the street
                    The fist is clenched in a fist, clasped by a hand - and heaped up, like pushing out a fist, like that. You can’t stand it for a long time, and the tourniquet is almost always useless - you can’t impose it. Only the arterial clamp, but it is normal in the ambulance assembly
                    1. ROBIN-SON
                      ROBIN-SON 21 October 2018 21: 13
                      +2
                      Yes, I remembered the injury injury, but it was like he was from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a jacket, he was driving with a lady. And drove, did the old man die? Sorry for him...
                      1. Jerk
                        Jerk 21 October 2018 21: 33
                        +1
                        It is invariant there, even if it were like this in front of the hospital - everything is fast there. I saw a man shooting, but he did not shake with a crust. I’m Nina, maybe a cop, but without a uniform - I’ll say everything. Died drove.
                      2. ROBIN-SON
                        ROBIN-SON 22 October 2018 00: 10
                        +3
                        The shooter was related to the police. He was kind of a clerk.
              10. Referent
                Referent 21 October 2018 17: 43
                +2
                somehow you all piled up in a heap .... and dogs without muzzles, and insults from teachers (but what about the beating of schoolchildren teachers?), and "gopotu". Legislation should be such as to protect both citizens and workers who provide services to the public (teachers, doctors, etc.)
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          3. Gray brother
            Gray brother 20 October 2018 12: 24
            +27
            Quote: hrych
            Another shame of Zolotov,

            This is just a galvanic reaction. They got luli and are obliged to respond, for example, I don’t see what can be done here to prevent such cases.
            And they also don’t see, but they are obliged to react, that’s what they do.
            This is how the Ministry of Emergency Situations "forgot" to announce a hurricane warning in Moscow, received a lull and is still swearing with orange levels of danger for every cloud.
            These have the same thing - they depict violent activity, otherwise God forbid they will trample from their place of residence.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 20 October 2018 14: 41
              +2
              Unfortunately, we have "companionship" in the custom: "month of traffic" everything and everyone is at work, and then everything is as usual. After Beslan, the police were on their ears, and now on September 1 or "the last call" they are running around on their ears, and then everything is as usual. On September 1, postage and all cars were set up near the school so that they could pass without stopping. The "first" has passed and there is no postage and it is fashionable against the school. True, the security at the school has become more serious: the Cossacks are guarding, but it was a circus: the director made her deaf mother-in-law a guard! And now a couple of men (one has a nickname: "Muller" will "build" everyone)
              1. ROBIN-SON
                ROBIN-SON 21 October 2018 21: 03
                +1
                Yes, some kind of campaigning in the press all the time. The latest example of Butin is Anna's arrests in the United States. The noise was a week from the Foreign Ministry to the district deputy. Now how snapped. And what about the fishermen from the Crimea? Where are they? Silence. Many such examples. Shouted steam whistle released and silence.
          4. Dude
            Dude 20 October 2018 12: 37
            +9
            can be the head of the department of latrines of all Russia ...

            God forbid, then the whole country, I'm afraid, will drown in ... Aries !! belay
          5. yehat
            yehat 20 October 2018 13: 49
            +28
            how to protect crowded places and children

            Yes, no way to protect. if hatred is cultivated in society, it will somehow find a way out
            even assuming that the guy would not be allowed to buy a gun, all that would have changed was that his plan would have become a little more complicated and perhaps even bloodier.
            Passive protection is doomed to failure. It is necessary to eliminate problems, and not build protection against them.
            I don’t remember something that terrorists frolic in schools in the USSR and there was no need for security and the Ministry of Internal Affairs was much more modest in number, although the schoolchildren made homemade weapons with thousands of units and there were a lot of parents with weapons.
            And the main hate-raiser is capitalist relations.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 20 October 2018 11: 57
          +17
          Quote: Pereira
          It doesn't matter if these innovations make practical sense.

          No, they do not. If someone tries to shoot at people, then he will not go to write a letter to the police.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 October 2018 11: 30
        +24
        tasha
        Yes Yes. We have a fire, and we’ll spill gasoline there. Small bottles, short-barrel ...
        Yeah. And the fire, of course, came from the fact that they were selling weapons to the population?. They would all be like zombies. And they all shouted Long live the great Putin, for example? And everyone in a friendly outburst shouting hallelujah with a portrait of Medvedev refused their pensions? I’m for selling weapons to the population. At least kill yourself. I, for. For any legislative nonsense. It will be broken in the first case. Zolotov defenders? laughing He has no time. He buys cabbage and chevrons for expensive.
        1. tasha
          tasha 20 October 2018 11: 32
          -11
          Koryozhit in you .... winked
          So I'm not against the sale of weapons. Go and buy.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 20 October 2018 11: 38
            0
            Something I have not seen on sale revolvers of the "Nagant" system. Or do you offer a parody of "TT"?
            1. tasha
              tasha 20 October 2018 11: 41
              0
              Let me explain. I am against the sale of rifled short-barreled weapons. The revolvers of the "Nagant" system you mentioned, for example. The term "weapon" is somewhat broader than you think ...
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 20 October 2018 12: 08
                +3
                And I am explaining to you. revolver system "Nagant" is not an automatic weapon! These were not given to officers of the tsarist army, i.e. lower ranks. If the teacher had such a Nagant, I'm sure there would be much fewer victims! As far as I remember from the media, they tried to stop him, but with their bare hands. As a child, I had experience in countering the actions of my father, although there was a simple double-barreled gun.
                1. Chicha squad
                  Chicha squad 20 October 2018 12: 21
                  -3
                  Where is the guarantee that the teacher with the Nagan would not become that same thing?
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 20 October 2018 12: 32
                    +13
                    Chicha squad (Vladimir)
                    Where is the guarantee that the teacher with the Nagan would not become that same thing?
                    laughing good And where is the guarantee that Zlotov is not a thief?
                    1. Chicha squad
                      Chicha squad 20 October 2018 12: 36
                      +14
                      And he is not a thief, he is a traitor to the Motherland. A thief is when he stole from a person, and he stole from the state. In the USSR there was only execution for such. In addition, a person is absolutely not competent in those matters which he is in charge of.
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 20 October 2018 14: 51
                        +8
                        absolutely not competent in those matters which are in charge.
                        This is the ideology of modern Russia. One of them, for the fact that he was well into the goal, was made governor. Then they thought, or maybe he will become a successor if necessary. It turned out he won’t, because he is a hello tree.
                      2. tasha
                        tasha 20 October 2018 16: 06
                        +1
                        I agree. That is why I dare to remind VO readers that registration for the Leaders of Russia competition is still ongoing. If you meet the requirements - participate, declare yourself. Don't be the hero of a flood joke. “Who sent you a truck, boat and helicopter?” ... 124 thousand people have already registered.

                        Those who wish to object - please do not waste time. You will not write anything new. Just keep silent, do not bother.
                      3. Compasure
                        Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 22
                        +1
                        it only makes sense to young
                  2. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 15: 59
                    +5
                    Quote: Chicha Squad
                    Where is the guarantee that the teacher with the Nagan would not become that same thing?

                    There is no guarantee, but not every policeman becomes Yevsyukov, just as not every locksmith is put at the head of the National Guard. Even the "short-barreled" in such a situation could do its job. To be honest, we don't even have effective electro-shock pistols with a range of 5-10 meters
                  3. Horse, people and soul
                    Horse, people and soul 20 October 2018 23: 53
                    +1
                    Where is the guarantee that the teacher with the Nagan would not become that same thing?


                    All other teachers with the Nagans will not allow one crazy with the Nagan to realize his plans.

                    Only, of course, no gunners are needed, but a modern short-barrel with a stopping action of 100 kg of carcass. And ammunition with minimal risk of rebound.
                  4. igorbrsv
                    igorbrsv 22 October 2018 07: 03
                    +1
                    I will support you. If I had a weapon, I could become a dwarf weapon. Perhaps the question is still for psychiatrists
                2. tasha
                  tasha 20 October 2018 12: 27
                  -2
                  If the teacher had such a Nagan, I’m sure there would be much less victims!

                  Good idea. Faithful. So if selling weapons from the 21st year, they would also be less .. Wrongly written, this is how it should be - "less !!!"
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 13: 28
                    +3
                    Quote: tasha
                    Good idea. Loyal. So if you sell weapons from the 21st year, they would also be less ..

                    And if they are sold to people from the age of 21 years + only to those who have fulfilled their military duty to the Fatherland as a soldier of the armed forces or a sailor of the Navy? belay And for the illegal carrying of weapons to send to a closed enterprise built for such corrections to produce products that are in demand but expensive for production? Or put on a conveyor belt in a closed solid waste processing plant? belay
                    We have a lot of citizens who are shaking their rights and opportunities to others, while forgetting about their contribution to the construction of the state and its duty to it.
                    1. vindigo
                      vindigo 20 October 2018 13: 59
                      +4
                      Tin. I have no words. How it is like all our stupid laws. Another would have written that to own a pistol, you need 2 higher education and 10 years of experience. That is, women who are most often attacked have no right to defend themselves? And the army sometimes includes such maniacs and frostbitten ones who could not arrange themselves in normal life. Moreover, in our army, they do not teach especially to shoot. This is not the USMC, where "every employee in the USC, be it a techie or a janitor, is a shooter."
                      1. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 16: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: vindigo
                        That is, the women who are most often attacked have no right to protect themselves?

                        Here the conversation is not about a gun, but about automatic and semi-automatic weapons. That is, a woman with no experience with weapons can protect herself with a pistol? And still all women (the majority) dream of driving a private car with their own female psychology ... They are also often pushed in public transport ... Weapons are not a toy. She wants to shoot, we have so many opportunities for girls ...
                        Quote: vindigo
                        I would also have written that to own a pistol, you need 2 higher education and 10 years of experience.

                        No, I had to write that a woman should have a 4-th size (as big as possible), a pretty face, a handful of brains and a "sugar daddy" with a thick wallet ... Take the money and buy what you want ...
                      2. vindigo
                        vindigo 20 October 2018 16: 56
                        +3
                        And what's so difficult about a pistol (revolver)? Courses will pass, learn. The day can be explained. How to shoot, reload, disassembly, legal norms and consequences of application. A week to practice. Do American ladies calmly use a firearm, defend themselves, and Russian women cannot?
                      3. Compasure
                        Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 25
                        +3
                        Moreover, our army is not particularly taught to shoot

                        I remember in the USSR they taught to shoot at school, in high school
                  2. pv1005
                    pv1005 20 October 2018 20: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: tasha
                    If the teacher had such a Nagan, I’m sure there would be much less victims!

                    Good idea. Faithful. So if selling weapons from the 21st year, they would also be less .. Wrongly written, this is how it should be - "less !!!"

                    But if, it’s even scary to think, to sell weapons from the 31st, and even better from the 51st, how many times there would be less. belay
                3. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 12: 32
                  +13
                  Quote: sabakina
                  If the teacher had such a Nagan, I’m sure there would be much less victims! As far as I remember from the media, they tried to stop him, but with their bare hands.

                  Damn it survived. Teachers should walk with trunks for lessons. The system of monitoring students entering the "temple of knowledge" will soon become cooler than in the area of ​​supervision of lessons. In the days of the USSR, they could not even think of this.
                  As for the tightening of measures for the circulation and storage of weapons, first of all it is necessary to completely exclude the sale of weapons to persons who have not served in the army. Let the applicant be pasted over with gold characteristics at least in two layers. It is necessary to return the candidate's experience, when in order to obtain a hunting ticket it was necessary to leave as a candidate for a year and receive two recommendations from more experienced hunters for admission to the society of hunters and fishermen. Now any "miracle" after reaching the age of 18 can get a federal hunt. a ticket and go to the store for the trunk. Although no measures can give 100% protection against a fool who can stupidly come without a barrel, but with a couple of cans of gasoline. Society needs to be cured because it is sick and tight.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 20 October 2018 12: 50
                    +4
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    exclude the sale of weapons to persons not serving in the army.

                    not an argument! Father Batman served urgent and was in Afghanistan. Is this also possible with weapons?
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 13: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      exclude the sale of weapons to persons not serving in the army.

                      not an argument! Father Batman served urgent and was in Afghanistan. Is this also possible with weapons?

                      What does the Batyan who served in Afghanistan have to do with it, and how can I attach an opportunity or a ban on the acquisition of weapons to it? The fact that the priest thumped and did not deal with his son, this certainly affected the deformation of the killer’s personality, I do not argue here. If he at least dragged him fishing and instilled some rules of behavior inherent in the peasant, and did not abandon him with his sectarian mother, then this tragedy might not have happened. Although, I repeat, no one has complete protection against a fool. And in the army there are also cases of firing on fellow soldiers on guard, but in general, during the service, a soldier develops at least some sense of responsibility when handling weapons.
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 20 October 2018 13: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        Although, I repeat, no one has complete protection against a fool.

                        therefore, military service is not a reliable argument in obtaining weapons. By the way, if memory serves. all SA officers were in the society of hunting fishers and no one restricted them in obtaining weapons.
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 13: 51
                        +3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        By the way, if memory serves. all SA officers were in the society of hunting fishers and no one restricted them in obtaining weapons.

                        I had the opportunity to join the hunting community while still a cadet at a military school in 1984, which in general did not give any "buns" other than paying membership fees. I officially joined the OER in 1990 and in 2020 I will celebrate 30 years of official experience (+ five years of illegal vagrancy with a single barrel through the forest before service). And military hunting societies exist in many areas to this day. hi
                      3. kitt409
                        kitt409 22 October 2018 10: 02
                        0
                        Oh well, everyone (((on the fig, I need to stupidly meditate on the float), and hunting - well, not mine, they pulled out a couple of times, but strictly for the company.
                  2. cast iron
                    cast iron 20 October 2018 13: 34
                    +3
                    With such a worldview, I would first forbid you to acquire weapons. In your opinion, the army is a guarantee of the adequacy of man. Oh well. Uma chamber, not otherwise.
                    1. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 16: 13
                      +5
                      Quote: cast iron
                      In your opinion, the army is a guarantee of the adequacy of man.

                      The army is a guarantee of obtaining the skills of proper handling of weapons and shooting. As for the adequacy of those who served in the army, this is for our deputies and the authorities, wherever you touch, either a white ticket, an ailing person, or a scumbag ...
                    2. VeteranVSSSR
                      VeteranVSSSR 20 October 2018 17: 52
                      +8
                      The army is not a guarantee, but if a person went to the guard for 1,5 years (carrying 60 souls), if the person carried an ammunition of 40 rounds with him, and the other drank iodine / zelenka, so as not to put boots on, then ...
                      My choice is the first two
                  3. faridg7
                    faridg7 20 October 2018 13: 43
                    +6
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Damn it survived. Teachers should walk with trunks for lessons. The system of monitoring students entering the "temple of knowledge" will soon become cooler than in the area of ​​supervision of lessons. In the days of the USSR, they could not even think of this.

                    So what do you want if, unlike the USSR, in modern Russia, society and their families have moved away from raising children, and the school and teachers alone cannot cope with this function.
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 14: 13
                      +10
                      Quote: faridg7
                      So what do you want if, unlike the USSR, in modern Russia, society and family have moved away from raising children, and the school and teachers alone cannot cope with this function.

                      Farid is correct. The state ditched the October, pioneer and Komsomol, giving up ideology, art, culture and religion to sects and liberals, but did not create anything in return. For a couple of decades, young people have been hammered into their heads that everyone can and must become successful, even if to achieve this they have to walk over the heads of less successful "comrades". Now the main fetish of young people is money, and if you don't have it, then in the circle of your peers you become the subject of ridicule. The society is split already starting from kindergarten, school, university. Now, when such resonant events begin to occur, it (the state) is trying to influence the situation by tightening the screws through tightening and all kinds of restrictions, demonstrating its state participation, although it has done absolutely nothing to prevent such cases, but rather, on the contrary, has created all the prerequisites for what would happen.
                      1. Compasure
                        Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 33
                        +5
                        Now the main fetish of youth is money, and if you don’t have it, then in the circle of peers you become the subject of ridicule

                        Yeah, in Soviet times, at school, zapadlo was boasting of prosperity, it was possible to get a cumpole laughing
                  4. Altona
                    Altona 20 October 2018 15: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    It is necessary to return the seniority when, in order to receive a hunt ticket, it was necessary to leave the candidate for a year and get two recommendations from more experienced hunters, for acceptance into the society of hunters and fishermen

                    ----------------------
                    What about the ammunition turnover? I was shocked by the number of rounds of 150 pieces. This is approximately the same as that of a sentry at the post-4 store on the belt and 1 on the machine. Without cartridges, a gun is a simple piece of iron. We should somehow be interested in the simultaneous acquisition of so many cartridges. Call the shooting range, for example, ask if it’s true that such and such a name needs so many cartridges for training shooting skills and when does he plan to do this?
                    1. faridg7
                      faridg7 20 October 2018 16: 26
                      +8
                      Quote: Altona
                      What about the ammunition turnover? I was shocked by the number of rounds of 150 pieces.

                      Only 150 pieces and shocked you? It’s for me only for one training session (3 episodes). I sometimes take 500 in a store and I don’t wear ammonia for sellers. It is of course, I take sports, but I think no one will ask me questions about buckshot.
                    2. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 17: 58
                      +6
                      Quote: Altona
                      What about the ammunition turnover? I was shocked by the number of rounds of 150 pieces. This is approximately the same as that of a sentry at the post-4 store on the belt and 1 on the machine. Without cartridges, a gun is a simple piece of iron. We should somehow be interested in the simultaneous acquisition of so many cartridges.

                      It’s autumn, the goose’s southward migration has begun. With a five-charge, 150 rounds of ammunition is 30 times you can well apply. Here, a week ago, the goose walked in a rampart, day and night. I think that for sellers in weapons stores this number of rounds in the hunting season is not beyond what.
                      1. Tersky
                        Tersky 20 October 2018 20: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        With a five charge, 150 rounds this 30 times you can well apply.

                        good It is possible and more than thirty, if even after the third shot he gave the mahu, do not press on the trigger to the empty store. I had such a problem when I switched to self-loading yes . Shop to the bottom, and game request Well, in general, it is clear. Then he learned to stop in time, and before that he had to take the half of the side of the round of cartridges with him and not always when he returned home, instead of the burned cartridges, the game lay in it. laughing
                    3. Compasure
                      Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 36
                      +4
                      I was shocked by the number of rounds of 150 pieces.

                      You are not a fan of shooting. For example, for trench shooting and 500 pieces will be few wink
                    4. pv1005
                      pv1005 20 October 2018 20: 16
                      +4
                      Quote: Altona
                      This is approximately the same as that of a sentry at the post-4 store on the belt and 1 on the machine. Without cartridges, a gun is a simple piece of iron.

                      According to the UGiKS at the sentry at the post of TWO stores, one on the machine is the second in the pouch, AND ALL. Oh, and even on guard, in a box of 120 pieces a cartridge for each barrel, and even 2 grenades.
                    5. Horse, people and soul
                      Horse, people and soul 21 October 2018 00: 00
                      +1
                      I can buy and store 5000 rounds and 5 kg of gunpowder under a sports license.
                  5. VeteranVSSSR
                    VeteranVSSSR 20 October 2018 17: 45
                    +5
                    The correct train of thought ... If you are sick and have not served in the army, then:
                    driver's license NEVER get it !!!
                    - permission to carry / store / wrap NEVER get !!!
                    1. Horse, people and soul
                      Horse, people and soul 21 October 2018 00: 02
                      -1
                      Exactly, exactly! Caught drunk driving - take away weapons forever.
                      1. Grim Reaper
                        Grim Reaper 21 October 2018 06: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Horse, people and soul
                        Exactly, exactly! Caught drunk driving - take away weapons forever.

                        Yes. Absolutely agree. Caught drunk driving - rights, weapons forever. If a person can get drunk behind the wheel, then how can he be trusted with a weapon?
                        Never. I never got behind the wheel of sales, not drunk, not drunk, just with a hangover. Because I understand perfectly what this can lead to.
                      2. kitt409
                        kitt409 22 October 2018 10: 15
                        0
                        Situations are different), a friend could have arrived in the village for a long time only on the second day, but the friend knew the reason, so everything was normal - he arrived, well, first a glass for the young, well, not 250, a little less, about 200, but it’s not in that, after the second, but already glasses, she’s even smaller, I like a sip), a scream, a peasant neighbor managed from the roof, a fracture is necessary to the hospital, before her, as they said about 25 km, well, I turned out to be the most sober of everyone had to go, but the mistress of the Gazika 69 immediately warned that I was going there by car, I would leave it there, close it and back on the bike, I brought it, the cops, there were both the hospital, the cop and the administration, so the cop captain asked a question , such as how drunk you are, no, NOT driving, back !!! - so I told him that I was leaving here and had already warned the hostess, the captain didn’t say anything, just nodded his head and everything turned out well, it turned out that their car was going almost in that direction, they drove me for almost 15 km, then turned me on , so I had to ride a bike just nothing)
                      3. ver_
                        ver_ 22 October 2018 14: 29
                        0
                        ... and the same car ..
                    2. the villain
                      the villain 21 October 2018 16: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: VeteranVSSSR
                      The correct train of thought ... If you are sick and have not served in the army, then:
                      driver's license NEVER get it !!!
                      - permission to carry / store / wrap NEVER get !!!

                      And you can NEVER work in power structures !!!
                  6. Compasure
                    Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 28
                    +1
                    As for toughening measures for the circulation and storage of weapons, the first thing to do is to completely eliminate the sale of weapons to people who have not served in the army.

                    You have gone too far, but with two recommendations - I agree, but this is only suitable for hunters ...
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 20 October 2018 20: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Compasure
                      As for toughening measures for the circulation and storage of weapons, the first thing to do is to completely eliminate the sale of weapons to people who have not served in the army.

                      You have gone too far, but with two recommendations - I agree, but this is only suitable for hunters ...

                      Perhaps he went too far, but then for this category of people it is necessary to establish an age requirement of at least 25 years for injury and 30 years for the acquisition of a firearm, so that the lack of service experience, as well as the lack of handling skills, is compensated by acquired life experience and already more or less developed mentality, when a person is able to give a report to his actions and calculate their consequences.
                  7. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 20 October 2018 21: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    As for toughening measures for the circulation and storage of weapons, the first thing to do is to completely eliminate the sale of weapons to people who have not served in the army. Let the applicant be glued with at least two layers of gold characteristics.

                    So you need to prohibit hunting on the territory of the Russian Federation to persons who have not served in the RA.
                4. New Year day
                  New Year day 20 October 2018 12: 49
                  +8
                  Quote: sabakina
                  These were not issued to officers of the tsarist army, i.e. lower ranks.

                  Hi, Vyacheslav! I would, like the lower rank, buy one. Better to walk better at night
                5. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 13: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: sabakina
                  If the teacher had such a Nagan, I’m sure there would be much less victims!

                  Have come, tomorrow there will be komenty -I would have a teacher grenade launcher
                6. Comrade Beria
                  Comrade Beria 20 October 2018 14: 57
                  +5
                  Quote: sabakina
                  +4
                  And I am explaining to you. revolver system "Nagant" is not an automatic weapon! These were not given to officers of the tsarist army, i.e. lower ranks.

                  Nagans were of two types; self-cocking (officer), and non-self-cocking (about which you wrote). The second after the revolution were not issued.
                7. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 21 October 2018 14: 06
                  0
                  If the teacher had such a Nagan, I’m sure there would be much less victims!

                  And if the teacher freaked out with Nagan, could he start firing himself? Let the weapons be at the guard and put the same metal detectors, I think this will protect better.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 20 October 2018 15: 49
            -7
            Quote: tasha
            Koryozhit in you ....

            And this is a natural reaction. yes As a rule, individuals who are madly drowning for a legal-short man are prone to hysterics and psychosis, they are turned on with half a turn. Of course, they do not even admit it to themselves, but from the outside it is very striking. The same articles, comments give out "shorty" with a head. So, yes, it cries out. laughing
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 20 October 2018 19: 46
              +5
              Quote: Paranoid50
              As a rule, individuals who are frantically stomping for a legal shorty are prone to tantrums and psychoses, start up with a half-turn
              Come on! On both sides of the "psychos" is full.
              In some Baltic countries, a survey was conducted: to allow the COP or not, why yes / no, etc.
              Opponents who predicted mass shootings were very surprised by the last question: "Do you know that we have been allowed to do this for 15 years?" ...
              Live with it.
          3. Simargl
            Simargl 20 October 2018 19: 41
            +5
            Quote: tasha
            Koryozhit in you ....
            Do not root it!
            At the moment, there is a situation where citizens cannot protect themselves from such a shooting.
            In the summer, I ran around Surgut with an ax, chopped women with an ax (it seems like no casualties, but it’s luck) ... yes, the policeman was found, he failed him. And if it was a place away from the center?
            We have neither the right to defend ourselves (if you put a bruise on the attacker - you’ll sit down), or tools (the right to bear arms, including a short-barrel).
            1. Severok
              Severok 21 October 2018 11: 34
              +1
              I agree. Citizens protect themselves from inadequacy, and in the outback, even from just stray dogs / mishas, ​​there is simply nothing in the garbage. Shotgun without cover in n.p. wear low, especially with a cartridge in the chamber. A knife in a critical situation is useless. Dubye? His only thugs on foreign cars carry, swinging about and without, and it will not help with a clear attack. In a critical situation, the short-barrel will help with a probability of about 80%, but no one pays attention to it, just as Paranoid50 (Alexander) or our authorities do not pay attention.
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 20 October 2018 11: 48
          -6
          Quote: Observer2014
          Who needs it. That will get a means of killing. And he does not care about any prohibitions.

          The concept of "hunter", "hunting weapon" and "security with a license for a weapon" has long acquired an allegorical meaning in the country. For example, only 1/10 of the "hunters" who have an official registered weapon go to the opening of the hunting season once a year. The rest of the time, weapons are kept at home, including with the possibility of access by children, from whom it is impossible to hide anything, including the keys to the safe. A logical question arises, why then do people need this weapon? You don't even use it for self-defense purposes, for this there is a more compact, traumatic and other non-lethal weapon that is 100 times more effective for self-defense.
          Why not make the issue of hunting weapons for hire in the designated hunting grounds or shooting ranges. Wanted to shoot came, took a rental, then passed and the money is cheaper and do not bother with storage, safes and precinct do not need.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 20 October 2018 11: 56
            +19
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Why not make the issue of hunting weapons for hire in the designated hunting grounds or shooting ranges. Wanted to shoot came, took a rental, then passed and the money is cheaper and do not bother with storage, safes and precinct do not need.

            With all due respect, but it is immediately obvious that you are never a hunter. Who will follow this weapon and answer if God forbid it breaks when fired? In addition, each hunter has personal preferences. Although a person far from this, it is probably useless to explain.
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 20 October 2018 12: 06
              -9
              Quote: Bongo
              With all due respect, but it’s immediately clear that you are never a hunter. Who will watch and answer for these weapons if God forbid it is torn when fired. In addition, each hunter has personal preferences.

              When you go to a ski resort, do you also carry grease and skis with you on the plane? no need to write nonsense. Once a year, even a "stick shoots" and you know that very well. I have a relative who almost shot his family drunk. A drunken person, for example, cannot drive a car, they call him a murderer. But under the guise of hunting to get drunk at the opening of this type of tradition. If the weapon was issued only for hire, then, firstly, it would be watched by professionals, not amateurs, and secondly, a drunk or a psycho would definitely not have been able to get it, And most importantly, this weapon could not get into places of mass residence of people.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 12: 10
                +13
                Quote: Vita VKO
                And most importantly, this weapon couldn’t get into the places of mass residence of people.

                You write nonsense. And the saddest thing is that you do not even understand what nonsense you write
              2. Bongo
                Bongo 20 October 2018 13: 41
                +4
                Quote: Vita VKO
                When you go to a ski resort, do you also carry grease and skis on a plane with you?

                Great comparison! good But many carry their own. As for weapons, I repeat:
                Quote: Bongo
                it is immediately clear that you are never a hunter.

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You write nonsense. And the saddest thing is that you do not even understand what nonsense you write

                Sanya, hello! Man is infinitely far from what he is trying to judge. For me, to give my gun to someone, it’s about the same thing as sharing a girlfriend.
                1. Vita vko
                  Vita vko 20 October 2018 13: 53
                  -3
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Sanya, hello! Man is infinitely far from what he is trying to judge. For me, to give my gun to someone, it’s about the same thing as sharing a girlfriend.

                  This is your inferiority complex. If there is a problem with the latter, then the gun, even if you and he will go everywhere where possible and impossible, will still not make a man out of you.
                  Therefore, it is not necessary to blame everything from a sick head to a healthy one. I understand that weapons fans have gathered on the site. But only an absolutely inadequate person can be considered normal when an armed person walks in crowded places, even if he himself is a representative of law enforcement or law enforcement agencies.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 20 October 2018 14: 05
                    +4
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    This is your inferiority complex.

                    I do not want to be rude, but you obviously run up ...
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    If there is a problem with the latter, then a gun, even if you walk with it wherever you can and cannot, the man will not do any of you anyway.

                    Where did I suggest this, are you completely? fool
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    I understand that the site gathered fans of weapons. But only an absolutely inadequate person can consider it normal when an armed person strolls in crowded places, even if he himself is a representative of law enforcement or law enforcement agencies.

                    Dear, it was about the fact that my hunting rifle, which by the way has saved my life, I will not give to anyone for use. This is purely individual an instrument like a musician's violin. Each weapon has its own "character" and individual characteristics. But, alas, you cannot understand this ...
                  2. Korax71
                    Korax71 20 October 2018 14: 37
                    +1
                    Suppose I’m not a fan, but an amateur. But nevertheless. If inadequately, he will either stab with a knife or another stabbing. Which is closer at hand. And Bongo told you correctly. I have a lot of electric and pneumatic tools in my business .so for all requests to give use, I usually suggest giving my wife use. do you not let someone wear their socks or T-shirts? here is also a purely technical moment. when firing from one barrel you know all the nuances of the battle, all its features. It is only in a fairy tale that you can take two identical guns and the battle between them will be the same.
                    1. Vita vko
                      Vita vko 20 October 2018 15: 08
                      -2
                      Quote: Korax71
                      here is a purely technical moment. when firing from one barrel you know all the nuances of the battle, all its features. It is only in a fairy tale that you can take two identical guns and the battle will be the same for both of them.

                      Quote: Bongo
                      a purely individual instrument, like a musician's violin. Each weapon has its own "character" and individual characteristics. But, alas, you cannot understand this ..

                      those. for the sake of your hobby, do you quietly betray the lives of your loved ones, children and ordinary citizens?
                      I will give an example from my life. Approximately since you reasoned before entering a military school. After dozens of guards and landfills, fanaticism from small arms quickly passed and I began to take it calmly. But when rocket launches began at the training ground, then after that picking up a carbine or an automatic rifle, you simply disdain. Therefore, if you want a thrill, it’s enough to simply ask for some commission on the landfill. Adrenaline from real rocket launches above the roof. But this does not mean that rockets and explosives need to be stored at home. And there are so many individual settings in the launchers, the missiles themselves and the MIS that it’s hard for even a trained launch operator from the outside to get used to someone else’s equipment.
                      Therefore, it is not necessary to engage in demagogy and create unjustified risks for the majority of the population, justifying them with their hobbies or threats to life, as in security agencies, or the actions of criminals, who have nothing to stop besides murder. All this is hypocrisy and the cover of potential crimes.
                      Now is not a war. And no one knows what a person can have with a weapon in his head, and even in a public place. But I want to be sure that if someone brains, the rest will have the opportunity to escape and time to call the police
                      1. Nikolay R
                        Nikolay R 20 October 2018 15: 39
                        -2
                        I completely agree. Previously, hunting was a means of subsistence, but now it’s just addiction and excitement. Something akin to alcoholism. And because of someone’s desire to jeopardize people's lives, I consider it unacceptable. Therefore, of course, you are completely right, the weapon needs strict control.
                      2. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 21 October 2018 01: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: Vita VKO
                        After dozens of guards and landfills, fanaticism from small arms quickly passed and I began to take it calmly.

                        good This is the first moment of truth. The same garbage. I ran into two lives in advance, and the company also paid special attention to firepower training. It is of course, everything is purely individual. But, damn it, if a person, having served and having had plenty of communication with weapons, retains a pathological craving for it (specialists do not count), then this moment makes you strain.
                        Quote: Vita VKO
                        no need to engage in demagogy and create unjustified risks for the majority of the population, justifying them with their hobbies or life threats, All this is hypocrisy and cover for potential crimes

                        Here is the second point. But it seems that appeals to common sense are useless in this case. Infantiles-"shorty", overwhelmed by their own wishes, have already taken a bite at the bit, and then, just, a new (evil, bloody and terrible) reason for expressing these wishes presented itself. At times it comes to hysterics. And yes, judging by the reaction to his previous post, it seems to have hit the mark. laughing
                  3. zyablik.olga
                    zyablik.olga 21 October 2018 02: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    This is your inferiority complex.

                    You write this, to a man who lived half a century, most of his life defended state secrets, having three children, respected friends, and the author only for more than 400 publications. Do not judge others by yourself! No.
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    But only an absolutely inadequate person can consider it normal when in places of mass gatherings of people an armed person will walk

                    Yes, you just have some kind of phobia wassat Who offered you this?
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    those. for the sake of your hobby, do you quietly betray the lives of your loved ones, children and ordinary citizens?

                    The fact that several trunks are kept in safe boxes at home does not threaten the safety of others. Moreover, due to the presence of a fishing rifle, in February a connecting rod was killed, which in the middle of the night began to break in the winter hut. I absolutely do not like to, for the sake of someone's fears and prudence, my beloved person remains unarmed in the taiga.
                    1. Vita vko
                      Vita vko 21 October 2018 17: 37
                      0
                      Quote: zyablik.olga
                      due to the presence of a fishing rifle, a connecting rod was killed in the month of February, which began to break during the winter in the middle of the night. I categorically do not like it, for the sake of someone’s fears and stupidity, my beloved man remained unarmed in the taiga.
                      And what prevented you from stopping by the forester before fishing or hunting, taking a license and a gun for hire. Maybe then they would have found out that a connecting rod appeared in the area, you look and you would not have to risk your loved ones. And secondly, as Kerch showed, a certificate from a psychiatrist and a weapon permit does not make a person a humanist. At best, people like you are "in an armored train and on a siding."
                      1. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga 22 October 2018 02: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Vita VKO
                        And what prevented you from stopping by the forester before fishing or hunting, taking a license and a gun for hire. Maybe then they would have found out that a connecting rod appeared in the area, you look and you would not have to risk your loved ones. And secondly, as Kerch showed, a certificate from a psychiatrist and a weapon permit does not make a person a humanist. At best, people like you are "in an armored train and on a siding."

                        stop Who would talk about the "armored train" fool It seems that you are just a limited martinet, for which there is only his opinion and wrong. negative Apparently, you don’t show your nose from the city apartment. Cranks in our taiga in the winter after the start of the "affordable fish" program, when in the lower reaches of the Amur, the river is tightly blocked and it does not reach small rivers have become commonplace. Only a complete layman can talk about foresters in the Far Eastern taiga. To get to the winter hut, you need to drive more than 200 km on a timber truck and another 70 km on a snowmobile along the river. To the nearest housing where people constantly live, there are hundreds of kilometers, there is no one to hope for, what kind of foresters? What kind of reality do you live in? fool
              3. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 16: 17
                +5
                Quote: Vita VKO
                When you go to a ski resort, you also carry grease and skis with you on an airplane? no need to write nonsense.

                You still remind him about diving cylinders ... lol
                1. Vita vko
                  Vita vko 20 October 2018 18: 15
                  -6
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You still remind him about diving cylinders ...

                  and a first aid kit, wheels from the car, and of course a parachute, logically, life also depends on them, which means you need to store it in a safe and carry it with you laughing .
                  It’s ridiculous, of course, to tears, and to Kerch to bloody ones. That would be for these funerals to send all the avid hunters from the State Duma and the government. Let there be explained to the parents of the dead how and why this nut cracked into the hands of the law and where he found the components for the VCA.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: Vita VKO
                    Let there be explained to the parents of the dead how and why this nut cracked into the hands of the law and where he found the components for the VCA.
                    Doesn't it bother you from your logic?
                    People also suffered from IEDs. At the same time, there were so many of these IEDs that he could handle people with them no less than from the trunk. Those. the barrel is an additional weapon that he acquired legally, in addition to an illegal weapon.
                    All the salt is that if it were necessary, he could find an illegal barrel and explosive devices better - more time would have gone.
                    If you still do not understand - the decision to go to such an action very rarely comes suddenly and spontaneously. A man is being prepared, he is being prepared. But someone missed it.
                    1. Vita vko
                      Vita vko 20 October 2018 20: 37
                      -3
                      Quote: Simargl
                      the decision to go to such an action very rarely comes suddenly and spontaneously. A man is being prepared, he is being prepared. But someone missed it.

                      That's right, some blinked, while others pushed.
                      Sam 18, the terrorist studied, and his mother a nurse had about 10 thousand rubles. income per month.
                      At the same time, a young man, the future killer, has a decent wad of money from a video camera of a shooting store. Given the poverty of parents and his income in the form of a scholarship, such a pack would have to be collected all his life. After all, someone funded.
                      On the other hand, everyone knows that the US is actively using computer viruses to spy on potential terrorists and criminals around the world.
                      Shortly before the incident, the guy wrote to one of his friends on the social network that "it would be cool to arrange a massacre." He named the page as "Anatoly Smirnov", but it was established from reliable sources that Roslyakov wrote under this name

                      That's just the CIA with its surveillance system fights crime with extreme selectivity. For them, criminals are only those whose actions are directed against the interests of the ruling American clique in Washington. For example, in Syria, the CIA actively used terrorists to overthrow Assad. Now they are in Russia using potential criminals to discredit the authorities. As it turned out, it’s enough for such a freak to give a bundle of money and the necessary information and he will immediately find opportunities for the fulfillment of his criminal plans, including weapons and IEDs.
                      Meanwhile, for most citizens of the Russian Federation, an elementary request on the Internet about how to make IEDs is cut through with a police visit the very next day. Why such control measures did not work in Kerch, you need to understand. Moreover, any reference to extremist and especially terrorist materials under the Law constitutes a complete corpus delicti, but the materials continue to be in the public domain. The question is why and to whom is it beneficial?
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 44
                        +1
                        Well, what have legal weapons to do with it, if the supervisory authorities were unable to assess the danger of a "law-abiding" acquisition, despite the fact that they have several barriers (control and authorization system), and the Yarovaya law.
                        We do not comply with the laws - this is bad.
              4. Simargl
                Simargl 20 October 2018 19: 55
                +1
                Quote: Vita VKO
                When you go to a ski resort, do you also carry grease and skis on a plane with you?
                If a person is a little more advanced than just sliding down a slope - yes, he drags both skis and grease.
                It’s the same with weapons: if the desire to shoot arises once every 100500 years, or if you want to shoot out of something exotic - yes, rental is the thing. But as soon as this is even a sluggish hobby - that's it! Rental becomes expensive.
              5. the villain
                the villain 21 October 2018 17: 13
                +2
                Quote: Vita VKO
                And most importantly, this weapon couldn’t get into the places of mass residence of people.

                Objection: when did the ordinary citizen in the USSR have access to automatic weapons? That's right, only when he served in the army. Hit of these weapons in places of mass residence of people was also extremely unlikely. Question: where did the Tolstopyatov brothers get their guns ???
                Your offer is never a panacea hi
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 October 2018 20: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Villain
                  Objection: when did the ordinary citizen in the USSR have access to automatic weapons? That's right, only when he served in the army. Hit of these weapons in places of mass residence of people was also extremely unlikely. Question: where did the Tolstopyatov brothers get their guns ???

                  It’s a matter of where, from the materials at hand they collected.
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 20 October 2018 13: 39
            +5
            The concept of "car enthusiast" in the country has long acquired an allegorical meaning. For example, only 3/10 of the registered "car enthusiasts" have cars. And more than half of them do not use a car regularly. The rest of the time the car is stored with a heavy load in the garage or in public yards. Children also have access to these cars. A logical question arises: "Why then do people need cars?"
            This is your train of thought. You definitely don’t need a weapon. Do not buy it.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 20 October 2018 16: 27
              -4
              Quote: cast iron
              This is your train of thought. You definitely don’t need a weapon. Do not buy it.

              Are you so zealous in defending your position? Are you such a hunter since childhood? Do you prefer to hunt for food, as your ancestors did, or just "for the soul"? If the first, then there is no stress with groceries in the store. If for the soul - go to the slaughterhouse. There, the principle is the same, and you don't have to go far to hunt ... Well, not everyone is ready to shoot at animals ... Just like not everyone will be able to slaughter livestock. Many invite a professional "koller". And here the question is not in the hunt itself, but in its sense. And to hunt, you can go somewhere where the "animal" can also release a bullet at you, or a burst from a machine gun ...
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 09
                +4
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Are you so zealously defending your position?
                What nonsense ?! Weapons are needed not only for meat procurement. If you do not know, meat and game, legally obtained by hunting, are more expensive than a store if it is not a professional activity!
                And the most important thing in the legalization of the Constitutional Court is, most importantly, clear self-defense laws!!!
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 21 October 2018 06: 42
                  -2
                  Quote: Simargl
                  What nonsense ?!

                  Bullshit in the pigsty. And here is a conversation about what hunting is and to whom it is hunting. There are hunting hunters, but there are city hunters who need to (certainly) have an expensive shotgun, an ATV or a snowmobile (depending on the season), a crowd of club friends, a huntsman with a hunting farm, etc. hunting accessories, such as a crossbow ... You underestimate the poetry of hunting with snares, traps ... But, I repeat, this is possible (to the extent possible) in obtaining food. And to kill for pleasure and excitement is a wolf nature. And neither you nor anyone else will convince me of this. So it was accepted in Russia, which was.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 21 October 2018 07: 03
                    +3
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Pigsty bullshit
                    Along the way - in your head!
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And here is a conversation about what hunting is and to whom it is hunting.

                    Quote: Brechopedia
                    Hunting - activities related to the search, tracking, pursuit of hunting resources, their extraction, primary processing and transportation

                    Quote: Brechopedia
                    Commercial hunting - hunting carried out by legal entities and individual entrepreneurs in order to harvest, produce and sell hunting products; serves to take advantage of products of animal origin (meat, fat, fur, skin, bone, horn, down, feather, etc.). Its purpose may also be the destruction of dangerous, harmful or over-breeding animals. Hunting includes the capture of animals alive for breeding, resettlement in another locality, for use in circuses and zoos, for scientific research, etc.

                    Quote: Brechopedia
                    Amateur and sports hunting - hunting carried out by individuals for the personal consumption of hunting products and for recreational purposes.

                    Learn the topic.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    There are hunting hunters, and there are city hunters who need to (certainly) have an expensive shotgun, ATV or snowmobile (depending on the season), a crowd of club friends, a huntsman with a hunting ground, etc., to kill the game.
                    The bullshit is over! You can’t imagine how many people use weapons up to 30 tyr per unit and do not buzz!
                    You have no idea about weapons, because nonsense is pouring! You, for example, don’t know that basically a hunting caliber (12K) can be purchased from 3000 r and almost to infinity, and in stores the average price tag is 50 000 r!
                    In addition, the gun, with proper care, even with not very high quality, outlives the owner.
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And there are such devices for hunting, as, for example, a crossbow ... You underestimate the poetry of hunting with snares, traps ...
                    Learn the rules of the hunt! And do not smack nonsense!
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    And to kill for pleasure and excitement is a wolf nature.
                    This is how to look!
                    An ordinary hunter kills for fun and excitement, but also eats an entertainment product.
                    Warmint, like wolf hunts, is also, like, entertainment (from the position of people like you), but they have certain goals.
                    You just don’t understand what you’re talking about, and therefore you look stupid.
          3. Compasure
            Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 41
            +4
            Why not make the issuance of hunting weapons for rent in designated hunting grounds or shooting ranges. He wanted to shoot, he rented it, then he rented it and it’s cheaper for money and you don’t need to bother with storage, safes and district police officers

            You are NOT a hunter. Shooting from someone else’s gun is like using someone else’s toothbrush!
          4. Simargl
            Simargl 21 October 2018 17: 35
            +1
            Quote: Vita VKO
            for this there is a more compact, traumatic and other non-lethal weapon which is 100 times more effective for self-defense.
            The one who did not allow the COP and allowed the injury - he is still a meager!
            In winter, a trauma is just like brushless brass knuckles, and even that is not convenient. Injury lowers the severity threshold for handling weapons .... etc., etc ...
            I will never buy myself an injury - even pneuma is sometimes more effective.
        3. Irokez
          Irokez 20 October 2018 17: 16
          -3
          Have you tried at least once to go out without weapons? I assure you that the same safe thing as with a weapon and even if you hold onto it with both hands in a helmet and with your face covered.
          It's like with drugs, "Let's solve the lungs", and then "Well, the lungs are not a panacea, let's solve the middle ones," and then "Everything is possible." Likewise with weapons, I assure you. Allowed a little means everything went the train and there it is already difficult to stop, and there is an abyss ahead.
          And the descendants will say "in a terrible time, it was impossible to go out into the street without a weapon - horror."
          Typically, the inventor is first allowed into his invention, and there have been cases where the invention (in this case, a weapons permit) took the inventor to a better life. So do not tempt your fate and your loved ones for the chance to defend yourself against a maniac with a weapon in your pocket is very small.
          1. Vard
            Vard 20 October 2018 18: 27
            +4
            Sorry to interrupt ... Until 1972, heroin was sold in pharmacies without a prescription ... Addiction was something exotic ... Bohemia sat ... And what is happening now you know ... The worst thing is that it is a ban contributes to the spread of drug addiction ... I’ll explain ... There is a system in place ... bring a client, you will receive a dose for free ... I’ve tried to put my son on the needle several times ...
          2. the villain
            the villain 21 October 2018 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: Irokez
            Similarly with weapons I assure you. Allowed a little, it means everything went the train and there it is already difficult to stop, and in front of the abyss.
            And the descendants will say "in a terrible time, it was impossible to go out into the street without a weapon - horror."

            I’m reading and wondering, and how have the Estonians and Moldavians not yet shot one another so far? But the British - those advanced, they forbade everything that could be shot in terms of a firearm, they even have a police with such a pistol walking around, and what came of it? How does the city of London look like a peaceful flowering garden?
    2. Granddad
      Granddad 20 October 2018 11: 51
      -12
      Quote: Observer2014
      On our website two years or maybe less ago there was an article about the sale of weapons with which you can storm the Kremlin

      This is exactly what was calculated ....
      And now the lobby of the West require the free sale of weapons in Russia ..
      The fun will begin, "for a deuce shootout in schools" ..he he
      And grandmother's pioneers will go to the Kremlin with assault rifles (if they were insulted and not accepted at the hospital and at the post office))))
      And then the rural ones will begin to take off on the tanks in order to protect the crop from over-development)))
      Well, it all started again .. crying
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 20 October 2018 14: 39
        +1
        R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi don't start again repeat you something recently, well, very thicken colors. everything will be fine.
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 20 October 2018 15: 01
        -7
        I fully agree with you, because there is also a political and economic issue to open the Russian market for the sale of weapons to the population, and this is a lot of money, and the partners will be happy when everyone here will shoot each other and for this business you can remove any objectionable like "the simple-minded maniac defended and killed the victim - self-defense. "
        Here, gun lovers object to additional measures for general security, but they have a problem with a weapon and have it, but do not distribute it and do not give the opportunity for inadequate people to get it, because you yourself can suffer from such. And the very first level of protection is precisely the first and most stringent measures to obtain it, and then the level of cutting off for storage and use. And when something happens, you will not be the first to shout "how did it fall into the hands of a maniac" (you seem to be completely responsible for yourself), but ordinary people do not have weapons and such an overwhelming majority and you should listen to the majority, not to minority. For example, I don’t have a weapon, but I don’t want the idiots, especially young and drunken ones, to have it.
        Really the anecdote "Monkey with a grenade" does not suggest to you that the grenade should only be in adequate hands, and it is better that it be absent altogether - so to live more calmly.
      3. Simargl
        Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 14
        +4
        Quote: Grandpa
        And now the lobby of the West require the free sale of weapons in Russia
        Some kind of snowstorm! We are talking about the legalization of the Constitutional Court. This, if you do not know, permission to purchase and carry. Nobody stutters about free sale! There is a well-established system for acquiring weapons - no one demanded that it be canceled (only remove the condition for rifled).
    3. amr
      amr 20 October 2018 11: 54
      +20
      Chukhnya is complete as always, you need to think about morality, about ideology, about upbringing .... no, let's tighten control! even it seems that they themselves carried out this "operation" to tighten control !!!
      In each school, now there is a OMON group + 3 meter fence + video surveillance .... yes, you raise the salary of teachers !! return the Soviet system of education!
      1. the villain
        the villain 21 October 2018 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: amr
        Chukhnaya is complete as always, you need to think about morality, about ideology, about education .... no, let's tighten control!

        So, after all, they should tighten the nuts - it is easier than doing something real, alas.
    4. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 20 October 2018 12: 12
      +10
      Quote: Observer2014
      And at the expense of the initiatives of the National Guard

      these initiatives are nonsense - they won’t work ..... the whole initiative of parasites from the Russian Guard ....- push the problem to another .... if only we don’t work ... pah for them
      1. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 20 October 2018 12: 56
        +7
        The authorities turned the country into a moral trash and tighten the screws trying to solve the problem of their peace of mind.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 October 2018 12: 56
      +1
      The main disputes flared up again between supporters and opponents of the legalization of the short-barreled firearm in the general plan. Proponents of this initiative say that if at least one of the guards or teachers had short-barreled weapons, then so many victims might have been avoided. Opponents cite as an example the United States, where legalized weapons do not reduce attacks on schools and other places of mass presence of people.

      Supporters of the legalization of weapons in the Russian Federation either do not understand stupidly or do not care ... The mentality of our people is such that if the weapons are freely available, the schools will not be calmer. And next time there will be more than one shooter, but several. You won’t walk the streets in the evening.
      There are a lot of frostbitten youth and children of 17-18 years old. They are littering their brains in a zombie box, all sorts of stupid games with blood and murder ... they are "friends" and communicate in social networks, and not in real life, chasing a ball or playing hockey in yard. The degradation of young people is an indisputable fact. And now to legalize the sale of weapons? Are you seriously?
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 20 October 2018 14: 10
        +8
        Quote: NEXUS
        The degradation of young people is an indisputable fact. And now to legalize the sale of weapons? Are you seriously?

        Andrew, hello! Here I can not agree with you. No.The weapon is already legalized, the same "Saiga" or "Vepr" 12-gauge for a short time is worse than any machine gun. But it is worth remembering that it is not the weapon that kills, the one who pulls the trigger kills.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 20 October 2018 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          Andrew, hello!

          Hi, Serge! drinks
          Quote: Bongo
          that kills not weapons, kills the one who pulls the trigger.

          And now my words ...
          Quote: NEXUS
          Frozen youth and children 17-18 years old are many.

          Do you now know, for example, what cockroaches in the head of a kid of 17-18 years old, who lives next door to you?
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 18
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        Supporters of the legalization of weapons in the Russian Federation either stupidly do not understand, or they do not care
        This is a dumb quote!
        Weapons are not prohibited - short-barrels and self-defense are prohibited.
        Proponents of legalization - for allowing the acquisition and wearing of the COP ... And for the right to self-defense.
        Several former SSRs allowed the COP. And nothing...
    6. IQ12NHJ21az
      IQ12NHJ21az 20 October 2018 19: 16
      -6
      +++++++ The USA has its own problems, we have our own and don't be confused! In the Russian Federation, for about 100 years it has been forbidden to have lethal weapons in civilian hands, well, since 1917. The mentality has changed! And the police = the police - too! Can you imagine American policemen on our roads? With THEIR right to shoot? Here the traumatic "miracles" is done by a bandit firearm, and an official firearm (PM, ATP, and other Browning and Walters) to the people. And "CHO" will be? "Blessed 90s" seem like a good fairy tale about a dude in a crimson jacket?
      1. Severok
        Severok 21 October 2018 11: 47
        +1
        What are you saying?
        In the Russian Federation for about 100 years it is forbidden to have lethal weapons in civilian hands, well, since 1917.
        A hunting weapon is not fatal, yeah!
        The mentality has changed!
        Well yes! Especially among those in power, who replace their lack of care, their inability to create benefits for people, and their unwillingness to bear real responsibility with prohibitions for the people and slops for the same people on TV so that people do not think about who is in power. The power in modern Russia does not even hold people for people! People for power e-le-someone-rat, RESOURCE. Power does not see anything human after the word PEOPLE.
        This is where the mentality (or maybe thinking is more correct?) Has changed.
  2. Antidote
    Antidote 20 October 2018 11: 13
    +13
    It is quite obvious that "notify by any means available, providing the possibility of confirming the fact of such a notification" will not in any way affect such events in the future. Devastation is not in the closets, devastation in the heads. The question is more to those who issued the permits.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 11: 16
      +2
      Quote: Antidote
      . The question is more to those who issued permits.

      Not consisted, not involved-permission in your pocket.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 20 October 2018 11: 50
        +2
        It is necessary to take into account the factor when people have a roof going for no reason. A completely normal person in an inadequate state becomes dangerous to others. And to find ways to avenge humanity is not difficult for him today. The Kerch shooter was preparing for the massacre, apparently, at least a month and found everything he needed. We need serious psychotherapy of our entire society, we need to transform it so that it is not offensive to each of us. But this is not a panacea, since it is impossible to foresee the instillation of a demon in a person. Therefore, a high vigilance of society is needed.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 October 2018 12: 55
          +2
          Quote: bessmertniy
          We need serious psychotherapy of our entire society, we need to transform it so that it is not offensive to each of us

          who will do it?
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 20 October 2018 13: 42
            0
            Putin! No more candidates!
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 20 October 2018 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: cast iron
              who will do it?

              Family and school, and then the state in full. You know very well, but ask a stupid question.
              Everything is within the power of the state, the main thing is to tackle this for the benefit of the majority without following the lead of the minority.
              1. pv1005
                pv1005 20 October 2018 21: 10
                0
                Quote: Irokez
                Everything is within the power of the state; the main thing is to take it for the benefit of the majority

                Yes, but if you take it, the result will be in 10-15 years, not earlier, but I want to report on restoring order now i.e. immediately.
  3. akudr48
    akudr48 20 October 2018 11: 14
    +12
    In a concentration camp, it is not allowed for prisoners to have weapons.

    The next decree will be about the total and unconditional surrender of any weapon, from a gun to an elastic band, for all who have an annual income of less than 50,0 thousand rubles. per month, like potential rioters.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 11: 18
      -2
      Quote: akudr48
      0
      In a concentration camp, it is not allowed for prisoners to have weapons.

      You live in a concentration camp, then collect your clothes and blow in free America.
      1. Granddad
        Granddad 20 October 2018 11: 56
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: akudr48
        0
        In a concentration camp, it is not allowed for prisoners to have weapons.

        You live in a concentration camp, then collect your clothes and blow in free America.

        Sanya stop laughing .. ha ha ha Well you're an ulcer laughing
        You always knew how to briefly and to the point besiege these "smart guys" on the site .. good
      2. vindigo
        vindigo 20 October 2018 14: 03
        +3
        The guards appeared.
    2. Stas1973
      Stas1973 20 October 2018 11: 20
      -1
      Bravo. Neither add nor diminish.
  4. iouris
    iouris 20 October 2018 11: 23
    +1
    Those. The Rosgvardia did not "do this". Nevermind.
  5. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 20 October 2018 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Antidote
    . The question is more to those who issued permits.

    Not consisted, not involved-permission in your pocket.

    Everything is according to the law. How else?
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 20 October 2018 12: 09
      +1
      Now they’re changing the law, as you see, moreover, with a willful stroke of the pen, just because I wanted to. And the fig law, because of which there is a hundred victims - Govinda does not order to change? The administrative shooter is drunk with a full carriage, for example, they give him a trunk, and he is also a hereditary drunk - a risk group
      1. Compasure
        Compasure 20 October 2018 19: 57
        0
        Well, this is a minus to the narcologist who issued the certificate!
  6. nod739
    nod739 20 October 2018 11: 28
    +4
    The chip is embedded in the butt-era GLONASS ...
    And automatically track the signal when approaching schools, shopping centers, parks, etc. ...
    And if a gun without a chip, remove snow send to Taimyr
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 11: 32
      +8
      Quote: nod739
      And automatically track the signal when approaching schools, shopping centers, parks, etc. ...

      Any hunter will pass schools and kindergartens ten times, while he goes on a hunt. Whoever wants to will come to school and start shooting, there’s not enough time to stop him.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 20 October 2018 11: 40
        -2
        Sash. have a suggestion. Put a couple of "Maxims" with sailors at the entrance to the educational institution.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 October 2018 12: 10
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          have a suggestion. Place a pair of "Maxims" at the entrance to the educational institution

          And what about the windows? Boarded up? laughing
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 20 October 2018 12: 26
            0
            Quote: Boris55

            And what about the windows? Boarded up? laughing
            What for? belay Have you tried to go in the bayonet for machine guns?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 20 October 2018 12: 57
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            And what about the windows? Boarded up?

            in the 90s we closed the windows with sheet steel, for a while
            1. VeteranVSSSR
              VeteranVSSSR 20 October 2018 18: 03
              0
              And where did you survive ....
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 20 October 2018 18: 24
                0
                Quote: VeteranVSSSR
                And where did you survive ..

                it was in the intensive care unit the windows were closed from the "gifts" of the lads to their competitors
      2. Blackbeard
        Blackbeard 20 October 2018 13: 26
        +8
        I’ll even say more, for example, in Moscow, some hunting weapon shops are opposite the school. But when some people say to ban everything, this is utter nonsense. So it’s dangerous to leave the house too, to ban chtoli? fool ... I also read that many people write about the fact that computer games make / do such killers, isn't it funny? As if in childhood they had never played war games, when there were no "computers". A weapon is a tool, and where it is directed depends on who it is directed by. If someone is going to commit a crime, he will find himself a tool, not necessarily such ...
        1. Compasure
          Compasure 20 October 2018 20: 00
          0
          This is not about computer shooters, but about social networks, which are washed with brains ...
      3. Irokez
        Irokez 20 October 2018 17: 41
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Any hunter will pass schools and kindergartens ten times, while he goes on a hunt. Whoever wants to will come to school and start shooting, there’s not enough time to stop him.

        Well, you yourself answered your own question "Hunter", not a kid of 18 years old. He is also a hunter in Africa, not a maniac.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 23
          0
          Quote: Irokez
          "Hunter", not a kid 18 years old
          And what, the boy of 18 years cannot have the desire to hunt?
          Quote: Irokez
          He is a hunter and an hunter in Africa, not a maniac.
          Uh ... what about age?
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 October 2018 11: 38
      +4
      Better in the head, each chip - suddenly smart thoughts will appear, going against the Criminal Code or not being included in the "list of what is permitted and permitted" - immediately jam them with Rubella ... yes
    3. faiver
      faiver 20 October 2018 13: 04
      +2
      Chip embedded in the Glonass stock era
      - Yeah, and another utilization fee to introduce to weapons, and weapons taxes ....
  7. Mimoxod
    Mimoxod 20 October 2018 11: 30
    +5
    It is a matter of consolidation and morality of the society, as well as bridging the gap between rich and poor, in the ideology of social equality and justice and equal opportunities for all, not depending on the thickness of the wallets, only prohibitive measures are zilch, although there is so much civil fewer weapons went to the poor and more well-off, who have entire collections of dozens of trunks, but this is neither a solution nor a solution to the problem, and .... from the rich estates are also not small ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 October 2018 11: 51
      -4
      Quote: Mimoxod
      The point is the consolidation and morality of society, as well as to narrow the gap between rich and poor, in the ideology of social equality and justice and equal opportunities for all, not depending on the thickness of the wallets

      I can’t say anything about morality, but there was already an attempt to create a social society, one bought a mink hat and the other took it off in the evening.
      Here the warrior goes on the sites, they are ready to tear each other's throats, only because of different views on life. And it would seem that there are no oligarchs here
  8. Irokez
    Irokez 20 October 2018 11: 31
    -6
    In the age of electronics, you can control a lot of things, but for some reason weapons are not controlled like that. Well, let's chip every weapon guns unit. And all the information from GPS and GLONAS flows into the database and is controlled where and how much each trunk is. Cellular and plastic cards are microchipped and visible in use, many cars with a control system where they are located (beacons) here are, if not 100% control, but weapon control.
    Suppose the operator saw that the chip weapon was displaced from the storage location (the program gave a signal to move) and immediately the owner of this weapon received a cell call like "Your weapon has been moved, what are you going to do?" If the owner, in the know, he will answer like hunting or at work, and if the weapon is stolen, or even in a school where it should not be, then immediately a signal for detention.
    And to sell weapons only with chips (and these are bracelets, inserts, and so on), without such a condition ACCIDENT as the owner’s age and psyche, and so on.
    The weapon chip can also be torn off and thrown into the trash or a child can throw it in the handbag, but there are also control measures for a second call or SMS, if the signal disappears and the owner must restore it or replace the chip (beacon), but at any time what is most important can be tracked at what time and where the trunk was. It’s on this control that we need to think about it and the authorities have less trouble and people have more security and tranquility. And besides, if the registered trunk is displaced, then the owner always gets SMS messages that the trunk is not in place and control the danger.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 October 2018 11: 44
      0
      Sergey, not a ride. For:
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 20 October 2018 12: 22
        -2
        Quote: sabakina
        Sergey, not a ride. For:

        This is not a reason to abandon new technologies.
        Naturally they can make out, but then the weapons are not registered, which means that severe punishment for the most can not only try to cause potential harm to citizens (I repeat the potential has not yet been completed) and illegal possession.
    2. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 20 October 2018 12: 13
      0
      And a good thought, by the way. [Quote] [/ quote]
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 20 October 2018 13: 48
      +4
      And how will you track microchipped weapons online? A chip is not an antenna with a transmitter and you won’t put a car battery in a weapon. But just putting the chip in the forend or butt - it will not solve anything at all. You can only bind the weapon safe to the Internet - such as if the weapon is in the safe, then it is normal, if the weapon is not in the safe, then the owner is called upon the signal and they will find out. But now I don’t understand how you stop this psycho who took the gun and went to kill.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 20 October 2018 14: 19
        -2
        Quote: cast iron
        You can only bind a weapons safe to the Internet

        That's right, and this is one way to track the removal of weapons from the safe.
        Only now I don’t understand how you stop this psycho

        You can stop if you quickly respond to a signal that was issued either by a chip or by the fact of the removal of weapons from the safe. At least it will already be known that the weapon is in the hands and it is known from who and if he is not at school at that time, then there is already a need to react.
        A wristband with a chip and a small battery with a vibration sensor in the same place. As soon as the gun vibrates (small overloads, inclinations in different directions), the bracelet and the signal through GLONAS (GPS and the Iuruzh system and it is better not to use it) turn on everything from sleep mode, for example every 30 seconds and this is monitored.
        A similar system could be created would desire.
        And minus those who want to have weapons and at the same time not be tracked and do not answer for anything - this suggests all sorts of thoughts. Any weapon shoots at least once in a lifetime and it is for the taking of life, and not the birth of life.
        1. Letnab
          Letnab 20 October 2018 15: 25
          +1
          There is something sensible about weapon chipping. But why complicate it? Why are the chips in a constantly active state, when you can place the scanning equipment in certain places. Identify areas not accessible to weapons, but these are educational and children's institutions, crowded places, etc. There, using scanning equipment (according to the request-response principle between the control equipment and the weapon chip), it is possible to monitor the appearance of weapons in the protected area ... The presence of weapons in some monitoring places is possible after contact with the control service, even if SMS notification ... further withdrawal during the stay or installation of blocking devices by the enterprise’s security under the conditions prescribed in any rules. On the basis of such technologies it is possible to invent a thread ...
          A globally monitor each unit of weapons in places of storage is possible only in warehouses and stores, in other cases, it will simply overload the system.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 20 October 2018 15: 57
            0
            Quote: Letnab
            you can place the scanning equipment in certain places

            I also agree with the option, but tracking is required.
          2. the villain
            the villain 21 October 2018 18: 07
            0
            Quote: Letnab
            Identify areas not accessible to weapons,

            It is in these zones that the shootings take place, it is likely that no one will interfere. Can you recall at least one mass shooting in a rifle complex?
            1. Letnab
              Letnab 25 October 2018 13: 58
              0
              so for these cases, control of places of mass crowds is also required, one way or another there is a wise guy who has bypassed this option of protection and control, so you won’t block everything by one hundred percent ...
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 20 October 2018 22: 54
        0
        Quote: cast iron
        You can only bind the weapon safe to the Internet - such as if the weapon is in the safe, then it is normal, if the weapon is not in the safe, then the owner is called upon the signal and they will find out.

        I can imagine what will happen if in several areas of the city the lights are simply turned off lol
    4. pv1005
      pv1005 20 October 2018 21: 20
      0
      Dreamer you are my friend. yes
  9. Conductor
    Conductor 20 October 2018 11: 33
    +4
    The value of this change tends to zero.
  10. dgonni
    dgonni 20 October 2018 11: 33
    +6
    The question is that for a rotated, any restrictions will be sideways! Physically, anyone can buy a barrel, but how to use it is a matter of personal psychology. Although personally, as for me, the shotguns are still a shaitan weapon. With a gun you need to be able to handle a shotgun? valnul in the direction of something and it will fly, while reloading does not know how much time is needed. In the corridors it is.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 October 2018 11: 55
      -1
      Dgon, I agree. The modern shotgun is American. And there it was used by 146% not for shooting game. I still remember an article in "Komsomolskaya Pravda", back in the USSR, the name from memory "Death for a handful of cherries." What a resonance was !!!! I don’t understand at all why a “real” hunter needs a night sight, semi-automatic weapons and other bells and whistles ... After all, hunting is only a way of living for some of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation. And why do the moneybags?
      1. Compasure
        Compasure 20 October 2018 20: 13
        0
        I don’t understand at all why a “real” hunter needs a night sight, semi-automatic weapons and other bells and whistles ... After all, hunting is only a way of living for some of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation.


        Hunting is the same hobby as fishing. It is NOT for living. Night sight - for hunting in the dark. Semi-automatic weapons are very effective in the corral. You can read about the rest of the "bells and whistles" in the Great Encyclopedia of Hunting, author Gusev I.V.
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 20 October 2018 11: 34
    +12
    Personally, I am for the short barrel. The question is, is there enough spirit for a teacher or classmate to shoot at someone who has come off the coils? And Rosguard .... And where was she at the time of the attack? I studied whether there was a smell at the next passerby ???
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 October 2018 12: 59
      0
      Quote: sabakina
      The question is, is there enough spirit for a teacher or classmate to shoot at someone who has come off the coils?

      good question. After all, if I got out of the state, then there is only one way out - to shoot. Otherwise, you don’t even have to get it, it's dangerous
  12. Gays
    Gays 20 October 2018 11: 35
    +13
    I also have a proposal to extend this magnificent norm to household knives. You can still oblige to round the tips of the knives and blunt the blades also in the notification order. And do not forget about the safe. After all, no firearm in civilian applications dreamed of such a bloody glory of these glands that are in every kitchen. So win! Ps But seriously, you need to educate people, which the state panically avoids, playing in the digital economy, modernizing everything and everything and innovating the brain.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 October 2018 11: 59
      +5
      Believe it or not, some (most) Western companies prohibit sharp-tipped knives, and besides, it is only allowed to work with knives ... in Kevlar gloves. And there are "electronic" training courses on working with "knives" for European downs, who, even in their entire life, have not learned to cut bread with a knife, why, bread is already being cut, sold .... "Stanley", so in general, under a ban, like them, are often cut.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 October 2018 12: 20
        +3
        In the first half of the XIX century. in the British merchant fleet, and in his example in other fleets, rules were introduced according to which sailors were forbidden to carry awkward knives with a sharp point on the ship. The punishments for violations - a fine on a very round sum - extended not only to the guilty sailor with a similar knife, but also to the hired captain who did not follow the rules. At first, concessions related to the use of clumsy models were still allowed, but by the end of the 19th century. and until the end of World War II, the only permitted type of knife in the merchant and navy was a folding model with a specific “clipped” blade.
        The so-called "boatswain".
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The second world war, the only permitted type of knife in the merchant and navy was a folding model with a specific "cut" blade.
          Well, the classic table knife is also the result of stabbings.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 20 October 2018 23: 00
            +1
            Quote: Simargl
            Well, the classic table knife is also the result of stabbings.

            And the pans? Why are they not deservedly forgotten? lol
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 21 October 2018 06: 06
              0
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              And the pans?
              I always knew that all women are potential mass murderers.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 21 October 2018 08: 20
                0
                Quote: Simargl
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                And the pans?
                I always knew that all women are potential mass murderers.

                But seriously, I would personally start by reviewing and selecting licenses, for the right to show from the beginning on TV, then everywhere, foreign-made cartoons cultivating violence and extremism.
                They even have fabulous butterflies manage to kill everyone and destroy everything around for the sake of their butterfly "justice".
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 21 October 2018 08: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  cartoons ... cultivating violence and extremism.
                  Are you out of your mind ?! Wolf Smokes!!!
                  Wolf smokes - that’s all you need to know about the principles of prohibitions.
                  I, somehow sent a complaint to Google search: there, upon request, "C ++ textbook" gave out a site with gomosyatina for children! Roschegotot replied that Googlenotto blamesame - to influenceonissuingnonenotcan.
                  Those. professionalism is completely absent! Both in lawmaking and in execution.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 27
      0
      Quote: homos
      There is a proposal to extend this magnificent norm to household knives.
      What to do with sticks over 30 cm?
    3. the villain
      the villain 21 October 2018 18: 24
      0
      Quote: homos
      +13
      I also have a proposal to extend this magnificent norm to household knives.

      And why trifle then every peasant in a bolt to sew a chip with a pressure sensor!
      As the current got an erection, the chip sends a signal, and then there’s a call to the cell phone, they say hello, you don’t force anyone there for an hour ??? Or even cooler: everyone should hang a DVR with broadcasting a signal in 24/7 mode, it is possible with glonass as well, grace will come laughing good laughing Only then, do not forget to cross the country in Oceania ...
  13. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 20 October 2018 11: 41
    +7
    And how will this initiative help prevent tragedies like Kerch?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 20 October 2018 12: 16
      -1
      Quote: UAZ 452
      And how will this initiative help prevent tragedies like Kerch?

      Apparently, students will go to the educational institution in the ranks under the escort of Rosgatsiya!
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 October 2018 13: 00
      +2
      Quote: UAZ 452
      And how will this initiative help prevent tragedies like Kerch?

      neither as
  14. Jerk
    Jerk 20 October 2018 11: 47
    +7
    The parasites. THEMSELVES handed out weapons to a psycho-alcoholic from the family of a hereditary alcoholic and a sectarian, now for instead of having their own heads - a dupa - they want to add pepper to the life of LEGITIMATE citizens instead of a head.
    Zolotov, you have a mess in your Rosguard - do you want to answer for him with epaulets? This incomplete official is called - your structure anyway distributes trunks to
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 20 October 2018 18: 11
      +2
      Neither reduce nor add ...
      Minister of the Interior Ministry-resigned as the most important, issuing permission
      The chief of the VD of the resigned city (complete non-compliance)
      The head of the licensing system, resigned and on the bench !!! (there are people, we will pick up an article!)
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    1. Jerk
      Jerk 20 October 2018 11: 59
      +6
      And I’ll give a much simpler example of why - it is necessary, and why - our Vlad will never give weapons. Horseradish Luzhkov in South Butovo could throw people from their own lawful houses into the cold. And to hell in Rostov-on-Don before the World Cup black realtors could shoot at home - they would shoot nafig. And this is a loss direct to their roof, and the roof, including those in the Russian Guard
  16. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 20 October 2018 12: 00
    +6
    Restrictions apply to law-abiding citizens.
  17. askort154
    askort154 20 October 2018 12: 09
    +2
    When officials (deputies) begin to submit their proposals on "concrete measures taken" or "proposals", when all the dead have not yet been buried, this is an obvious profanation. They brazenly "warm" their chair. yes
  18. loginovich
    loginovich 20 October 2018 12: 12
    +6
    Duel pistols allow?
  19. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 20 October 2018 12: 24
    -3
    In fact, if the seller had been obliged to inform the authorities about the acquisition, in such quantity, of ammunition, then perhaps these killings could have been prevented. I think we need to check the seller for a connection with Bandera. Yes, and he trotted somewhere and from someone acquired.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 20 October 2018 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: bratchanin3
      In fact, if the seller was obliged to inform the authorities about the acquisition,

      What is he doing, entering the Buyer's data in a separate Journal, cartridges never bought, or what ...?
      in such quantity of ammunition
      it’s not of interest to the Seller and the Law does not oblige him in any way (and do not forget about the presumption of innocence), on the contrary, he will give a discount (I have one in one store) that the Seller adds to the number of regular customers .... state should not fit into my personal life, whom .... why do I need so many rounds, maybe for hunting, maybe for practical shooting ....
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 20 October 2018 20: 32
      0
      Quote: bratchanin3
      In fact, if the seller had been obliged to inform the authorities about the acquisition, in such quantity, of ammunition, then perhaps these killings could have been prevented.
      Blizzard!
      2 cans of gunpowder, a handful of capsules and you get sick of shooting with loaded ammunition.
  20. Etienne
    Etienne 20 October 2018 12: 25
    +14
    Guard? Blood is paid for every guards banner! And this ... There was no such guard in Russia at all times, and this is not a guard. Laws have been adopted - the devil will break his leg and all is useless. The Soviet government had no problems with weapons. In each house, a gun or carbine hung on the wall. Current problems have appeared, but each time they are silent about the reasons. And the consequence is the grief of relatives and friends, but it is of little interest to them. The cynicism of today's rolls over. And whoever says anything here, everything rests on power. The fundamental question, all the same, is the question of power.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 20 October 2018 12: 41
      +10
      It is absolutely true - this organization has nothing to do with the "guard" (well, perhaps, with the famous "guardsmen of Cardinal" Dumas), this is the well-known "oprichnina" simply, in a "new way".
  21. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 20 October 2018 12: 25
    -1
    Give me a gun, I will shoot bad people, I will decide who is bad for me.
  22. TOR2
    TOR2 20 October 2018 12: 48
    +4
    All this companionship, with toughening the rules, only complicates the life of the owners of legal weapons, but these always have it for some reason.
    In discussions, a thought often skips - if someone had a gun. The situation could develop in two ways. Maybe it would have been possible to avoid such a number of victims, but if the criminal had replenished his arsenal, then everything would have turned out exactly the opposite. It may sound paradoxical, but in such a situation a gas gun would be more effective. The destruction range of a 9mm firearm. greatly inferior to the weapons the criminal was armed with, which means open confrontation is excluded, only from an ambush. Is an ordinary civilian able to ambush? With a gas pistol a little easier. A couple of shots into the corridor or onto the landing, and go away. Given the enclosed space, a gas cloud in the right concentrate would last long enough. With this task, most civilians must cope.
  23. Yves762
    Yves762 20 October 2018 13: 04
    +7
    I dare to remind you that IEDs were used, which no one bought anywhere else. And although in this case they did not become "the main means of destruction", nevertheless ...
    Did the question rest against a weapon?
  24. Cottager452
    Cottager452 20 October 2018 13: 06
    0
    "Teacher with a gun"?
    Then a priest with a gun?
    Universal militarization of civil society?
    Or here is an offer to sell
    weapons only to those who had served in the army. Once Roslyakov’s dad not only served, but Afghanistan passed. And on the civilian he got drunk completely, went wild, flew out with a saber into the street. He would have got a pump like a son’s and a hundred rounds of ammunition. And he would have passed the commission, since I’m probably not registered.
    So here I think the first change in the law
    about civilian weapons should be a change in storage conditions: rifled weapons in police departments, smoothbore in sports and hunting clubs. Prohibit the carrying of any weapons, only transportation in a disassembled and sheathed form to the places of use: hunting or shooting gallery.
    Ammunition separately.
    Responsibility for violation: confiscation of arms and deprivation of arms for life.
    Somewhere like that.
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 October 2018 13: 18
      +3
      but in general to ban everything, introduce curfews in the country and so on ....
  25. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 20 October 2018 13: 17
    +5
    Quote: Observer2014
    Who needs it. That will get a means of killing. And he does not care about any prohibitions.

    As in this case, the vast majority of those killed and injured were from IEDs, not from a gun.
  26. faiver
    faiver 20 October 2018 13: 20
    +3
    this statement is simply "serving the number" - like we are reacting ...
  27. Kaw
    Kaw 20 October 2018 13: 20
    +7
    The last time such an incident happened was with Police Major Denis Yevsyukov. So, can the police take the weapon? In response to the tragedy, the state creates additional legal obstacles for law-abiding citizens. This does not bring any benefit, it only increases social tension, but it allows officials to report that "measures have been taken."
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 20 October 2018 14: 33
      -2
      Dear, do not exaggerate.
      You can imagine a situation where no one has weapons at all and logically (that is, respectively) no one will shoot anyone due to lack of weapons. If you need to solve problems with your fists, it’s not so easy to kill an opponent all the more so. The message and logic is clear?
      Quote: Kaw
      It does not bring any benefits, it only increases social tension

      Or maybe on the contrary it reduces the risk of being accidentally killed by a maniac with a shotgun.
      There recently in the states at the celebration of a child’s family, 4 dead were shot dead. Oh yes, damn themselves.
      1. Kaw
        Kaw 20 October 2018 14: 39
        +2
        The states have free possession of weapons from time immemorial, but the level of crime (and the rate of crime) is much lower than in Russia.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 20 October 2018 16: 04
          -1
          In Canada, compared with the United States, even less so what?
          In the United States, knowing about the armament of the population, a police officer can bang you even without warning under the pretext "It seemed to me that he took out a pistol." And this makes it even more dangerous for the population to have weapons. And by the way, where did you get the statistics on crime in the United States on Wicca or in the same bourgeois (fake) sources? There, by the way, the death penalty exists for all sorts of murders, but we do not, so where do they kill more people in our country or in the ghetto where the police only stop by during the day when there are free patrols.
    2. Tim
      Tim 20 October 2018 18: 10
      +1
      I want to correct you, Major of Police Yevsyukov, after this incident Mr. President Medvedev started the party nickname (Dima Ayfon) about reforming and renaming the police as police, after what happened with Yevsyukov for detention (opera at least in our internal affairs department) they began to walk without a service weapon , the then leadership of the Internal Affairs Directorate was terrified and so on until 2016, when an operative died during the detention of a group of car thieves.
  28. tomket
    tomket 20 October 2018 13: 21
    +4
    Well, okay. Instead of a comprehensive work with the younger generation, instead of the normal organization of protection, a dull bureaucracy was added. Well, he wouldn’t have done the extra help? or wouldn't a safe screw a couple of extra screws?
  29. New Year day
    New Year day 20 October 2018 13: 53
    +2
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Silvestr
    By the way, if memory serves. all SA officers were in the society of hunting fishers and no one restricted them in obtaining weapons.

    I had the opportunity to join the hunting community while still a cadet at a military school in 1984, which in general did not give any "buns" other than paying membership fees. I officially joined the OER in 1990 and in 2020 I will celebrate 30 years of official experience (+ five years of illegal vagrancy with a single barrel through the forest before service). And military hunting societies exist in many areas to this day. hi

    You see, society has narrowed. Officer - more pleasant than serving in the army, agree! hi And generally safer
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 20 October 2018 14: 51
      +1
      In the 46th in Odessa, officers were given pistols for constant wear and use to kill, if that. The first days worked and a dozen robbers were blocked. And then the military did not rob, but immediately fell and take away the barrels.
      And the experiment had to be curtailed. But these are military officers! With real experience in using weapons. And the current ones will go with gunshots, unexpected people, lost and other delights.
  30. VictorZhivilov
    VictorZhivilov 20 October 2018 13: 59
    0
    In a normal state, and neighbors are always normal ... This gives an automatic guarantee of the absence of any terrorist acts and mass executions in our territory: well, which one will turn up here for us ?? #ILoveGeorgia #GunControlMyAss Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BlG3Yxoge20/?taken-by=vlad.borisych

    hi
  31. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 20 October 2018 15: 01
    +6
    Recall that on October 17 an attack was committed on the Kerch Polytechnic College. 20 people became victims of the criminal; he shot himself.

    Something in the Soviet Union, I do not remember at least one such case. Maybe the "guardians" will remind you?
    Despite the fact that parental guns were often just hung on the wall. And how many shells and cartridges he personally dragged to the roof of the shed from the nearest landing playing "war" as a child, can not be counted. Sappers were taken out. But then I did not have the desire to "stir up" the bomb and detonate someone from the word at all!
    So maybe it’s not the matter of storage and notifications, but the moral and ethical state of the society that this system has imposed?
    Did you follow Western "values"? Did you build in? Is Russia now at the level of "civilized" countries in this matter? Are you satisfied? .... !!!!
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  33. jonht
    jonht 20 October 2018 15: 17
    -2
    That's right, everyone was handing out weapons and in front, didn’t like it, took out a gun and slammed it. As many people have already been killed by injuries, the figs are short-barrel, immediately AK each and in front of their rights to defend.
    There is no culture of handling weapons, no brakes on people, so forward under the whistle of bullets. All they consider themselves judges and law in one person and only they have the truth. We now also have to go through this, there is not enough blood in the streets from an accident, we will learn to shoot.
  34. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 20 October 2018 15: 24
    +1
    Proponents of this initiative say that if at least one of the short-bore weapons protection or teachersthen so many victims could have been avoided.

    In any empiricist country where the short barrel is allowed, it is forbidden to wear it in public places and crowded places, respectively, teachers cannot have them by nature ....
    About
    if short-barreled weapons at least from someone from the guard

    With this it is not easier, the majority of PSCs do not (a little) own service weapons, since its presence presupposes that PSCs have an equipped (in accordance with GOSTs and Rules) weapons room or an agreement with the Ministry of Internal Affairs on renting a place for its storage in local territorial police departments .... To make it less problems with obtaining / renewing a license, a police officer / policeman is usually retired at the head of the private security company (especially since, according to the Law, the director of such a "poorhouse" should be a person with a legal high school) ...
    About
    a sharp question arose about legislation in the field of the sale, storage and carrying of weapons

    What do they want to change, if and so, in the framework of crime prevention, the district policeman must work out the residential sector, where uncles and aunts with registered weapons live (I don’t know the frequency of verification, but there is certainly Departmental in-tion ...) ...
    Nobody personally checked the safe for me personally, I brought him a copy of the safe's passport and a receipt about its purchase to protect my local police officer from walking ... he has enough work without me ...
  35. lambert
    lambert 20 October 2018 15: 35
    +5
    Until 1954, officers had weapons (pistols and revolvers) at home. Then they could store only the premium after being sent to the reserve. The smooth-bore hunter was sold on a hunting ticket and only rifled by permission of the Ministry of Internal Affairs approximately in 1975 it occurred to someone in the Ministry of Internal Affairs to register hunting weapons and after that it went on - first safes, then medical boards, first without narcologists and psychiatrists, then they came up with a federal hunting ticket (as a result which completely got rid of the hunter's mandatory state in the hunting team and added lack of control in the circulation of weapons) add narcologists and psychiatrists, and then came up with training on the rules for handling hunting weapons. Characteristically, for 8 hours I listened as well as possible and how to use weapons in the city, and what to do after that. I ask - do you know that according to the rules of hunting with weapons collected and loaded it is not possible in the city (if the weapon cannot be disassembled according to its design features, then it cannot be worn in the city without a cover and is charged) - round eyes. I say this teacher did not know this. Well and so on. I tell him that he served in the army and there is a basic rule — handling any weapon as if it was loaded — again round eyes — how can this be. It can be charged, or it can be discharged, which is the same treatment. Etc. - but pay the money. Take a photo, etc. etc. In general, bureaucracy rules. And after that, only the idealist can be amazed that the boy received permission and bought a gun (he wanted it more rudely). In general, you can speak out. Words are not just letters.
  36. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 20 October 2018 15: 49
    +1
    It is reported that a measure to notify the authorities of the Russian Guard on movements with previously acquired weapons will improve control over the circulation of weapons.

    And does every "citizen of the Russian Federation" also need to notify about the experience of shooting and handling weapons, or have they not thought of this yet? And then suddenly he will think of something "bad", and then once (!), And he is in our filing cabinet.
    Notify in advance. I have such a badge since childhood:
  37. Etienne
    Etienne 20 October 2018 15: 59
    +9
    May 2016. I decided to sell "saiga 410", which by that time was already 10 years old. He left two carbines - SKS and Vepr 123 under the Mosin cartridge. In the permitting, the guard had just turned around. Before this inspection, there were no comments on the weapon, but then it was found that the lock was loose and the bolt could be cocked without folding the stock. In general, they hit me in full. I tried to convince that there is no problem to fix this malfunction - for so many years, and I went to the taiga twice a year, the metal works. The passport for the weapon says that the plant guarantees proper operation for 18 months. Nothing helped. They sent an investigator, a young girl, and she let me persuade me: maybe we will write in the protocol that you received such a weapon when you bought it, handed it over to someone, or someone had access to it. I immediately dismissed all these cop's Wishlist. I personally checked the weapon when I bought it, and no one except me had access to it. In general, they took the carbine for examination and kept it for two months instead of the prescribed 10 days. Only after persistent calls, the mountain (Russian Guard) gave birth to a mouse. In the conclusion, it was stated that the owner of the weapon, that is, me, had converted it for shooting with a folded stock. In 16 I turned 70 years old and such a "gift" arrived. They threatened to go to court. I got a copy of the report from the investigator by hook or by crook, although according to the law it should be given to me in my hands - and there are fresh file marks in the photo! This is what I think I prepared the weapon for inspection. Well, okay, the court is the court. He demanded to conduct an independent examination. The natural wear and tear of the blocker part is one thing, the intervention, the time of which is not very difficult to determine, is another matter, and the weapon was in no one knows where for two whole months. In general, the "office" was blown away and quietly rolled into the bushes. Less than a year later, in our city (Khabarovsk), a young scumbag shot the officer on duty in the regional FSB and two civilians. In the very rampant criminality, at the end of the term - the beginning of the fifties, the entire militia of the Soviet Union was 230 thousand people and fought, not like the current ones. And then the old man was "caught", cut down a stick and a smoke break with a nap. Celebrate, gentlemen!
  38. Catfish
    Catfish 20 October 2018 16: 22
    +1
    Quote: igorbrsv
    ... In my opinion, the existence of the organization is justified. There is a threat of a "coup"


    Justified by whom? And if there is a threat of a "coup", then perhaps it is better to eliminate the reasons that create this threat, and not spend money on a new power structure which in the country is already a dime a dozen. A couple of such "innovations" such as the Pension Reform and the Endeavor, and no National Guard will help anyone - they will sweep it away. But why is this blood needed! But in our God-saved, there is no other way, obviously. Unfortunately... negative
  39. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 October 2018 16: 24
    +3
    Opponents cite as an example the United States, where legalized weapons do not reduce attacks on schools

    How can they misinterpret the facts!
    This is not why the legalization of weapons allegedly "does not lead to a decrease in attacks" in US schools. But because in SCHOOLS AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES PROHIBITED FOR THE AVAILABILITY OF WEAPONS! Ordinary law-abiding citizens are forced to observe this and do not carry weapons in such places. But the terrorists know this and use it! Therefore, ordinary citizens in such places can not resist killers. They are unarmed in the face of killers.
    But our authorities will turn everything upside down and will use everything for their own purposes.
    Py.Sy. I won’t be surprised that there are zealots who will come up with a ban on storing weapons at home and organize paid storage in the Russian Guard ... Zolotov is probably already rubbing his sweaty hands from such an unexpected cashbox.
    But you can still organize and the paid issuance of these weapons.
    About how many wonderful discoveries we are bestowed by the greed of the authorities ... and not their ability to establish the normal work of law enforcement officers.
  40. ZVS
    ZVS 20 October 2018 16: 34
    -2
    In the Soviet Union, in the "scoop", as the modern Russian authorities call that country in their hearts, weapons were sold only on a hunting ticket, and only after the entry of the hunting society and training. And now the government sells weapons left and right, but openly reproaches the United States for the same.
    1. Note 2
      Note 2 20 October 2018 16: 46
      +5
      Dear friend, you bring frank nonsense; my advice is to go to a psychiatrist and check your head! For such a short-sighted comrade, I inform you that in the Soviet Union smooth-bore hunting rifles were sold freely until about the mid-70s!
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 20 October 2018 19: 18
      +3
      Nonsense. In the totalitarian and slave USSR, any hunting and sporting weapon was sold upon reaching the age of 16. The police and officers of the Armed Forces walked with pistols. The police were less than three times. The schools had military offices, which even had machine guns. Ours was Maxim and DP. There were no executions. There were accidents with the "echo of war" and hunting weapons. As always. People from childhood were raised as fighters, not victims. for the murder, the killers were given ... a certificate and a wristwatch.
      In a democratic free RF, it is very difficult and expensive to buy weapons. The police are larger than the army, and executions and terrorism are on the rise. People bring up victims and cowards. For resistance to bandits give real terms. Several hundred people could not cope with a lonely psycho. A shame! In the Union, his legs from chairs would be hammered.
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 20 October 2018 23: 21
        0
        Quote: meandr51
        In the Union, his legs from chairs would be hammered.

        good good good
  41. Note 2
    Note 2 20 October 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Everything is done in order to complicate the life of law-abiding owners of weapons. It is even better to prohibit its purchase and use and all matters. The Russian Guard has already shown its exceptional stupidity in these matters and because of this, several museums in the country were closed.
  42. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 October 2018 16: 44
    +4
    Impassable dumbasses from those in power, they can only tighten their nuts, instead of working with people and pursuing a normal social and legal policy in the country. All this fuss is simply a filkin letter, designed to create the appearance of some kind of action.
  43. Catfish
    Catfish 20 October 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Prim2
    Everything is done in order to complicate the life of law-abiding owners of weapons. It is even better to prohibit its purchase and use and all matters. The Russian Guard has already shown its exceptional stupidity in these matters and because of this, several museums in the country were closed.


    You are right, Dmitry. hi

    And what "sharpness" can you expect from such a structure? "To drag and not to let go" is their age-old motto. It is enough to look and listen to their boss. What to expect from them? Hold on ... (litter) physiognomy.
  44. wlkw
    wlkw 20 October 2018 17: 27
    +3
    I wonder how this law would prevent the carrying of weapons to an educational institution. Well, if he had already been adopted before?

    I vote for a duel between Navalny and Zolotov to take place.
    In any case, one idiot will be less.
    1. Vard
      Vard 20 October 2018 18: 41
      +2
      Maybe she’s lucky ... we won’t even count two ...
  45. acetophenone
    acetophenone 20 October 2018 18: 49
    +4
    The problem is not in guns, but in people. Well, it’s time for a person to kill more people, he will back the door in a basement or hall and will spill a can of gasoline there. He who does not burn will suffocate.
    What, now and sell half a liter of gas in one hand?
    Those who propose laws such as this guard need to be examined by psychiatrists and limited in rights for a couple of years. Or before remission.
    1. Note 2
      Note 2 21 October 2018 05: 20
      0
      By the way, despite the fact that at one time Chechen terrorists used saltpeter sprinkled with aluminum powder to bomb buildings and other objects during terrorist attacks, these components can still be freely available, although in the United States, after a series of terrorist attacks, when you buy nitrate over a kilogram there is a message at the FBI.
  46. zusima1905
    zusima1905 20 October 2018 19: 26
    0
    I am a man born in 1980, committed a criminal offense under article 2000, part 218, and I served in the BB troops in 2-2002, I can’t get any firearm, rifled or not rifled weapon, AS THIS YOUNG FROM KERCH EGO, THIS WEAPON GOT ?????????????
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 20 October 2018 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: zusima1905
      I am a person born in 1980,committed a felony in 2000 under article 218, part 2, and I served in the troops of the BB in 2002-2003,

      And how did you get a criminal record in VV (an interesting article at you http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_10699/c118ed8ef402fcad1e8778857b0b1d2d9a35a400/)? Previously, they only sent to a construction battalion with a criminal record ...
      In your case:
      having an unexpunged or outstanding conviction for a crime committed intentionally, or having a convicted conviction for a serious or especially serious crime committed with the use of weapons

      Clause 3) Article 13 of the Federal Law "On Weapons" dated 13.12.1996 N 150-FZ
      http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_12679/bf02c10cdff4f0e8585bde194e0f1e786b56f897/
  47. Nikolay R
    Nikolay R 20 October 2018 19: 31
    0
    It’s like Chekhov’s. If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then in the second or third it must shoot.
    That is, if the population has weapons, it will certainly shoot and the more it will be, the more shots will be and, accordingly, more victims.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 20 October 2018 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai P
      It’s like Chekhov’s. If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then in the second or third it must shoot.
      That is, if the population has weapons, it will certainly shoot and the more it will be, the more shots will be and, accordingly, more victims.

      Those. if I have two trunks, then I have to overwhelm you from them, for example? And if I’m still practicing shooting, should I also dream of this?
      Although regarding the "trauma" I can and agree with you, mean weapon ....
  48. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 20 October 2018 20: 10
    +1
    Quote: Prim2
    in the Soviet Union, smooth-bore hunting rifles were sold freely until around the mid-70s!

    It's true! I even remember that there was a thrift store nearby and hunting weapons were sold there at very low prices. And I’m a young kid of 14 years old who was wondering how many school lunches I don’t have to save that much money. fellow
  49. f4b2
    f4b2 20 October 2018 21: 13
    +3
    The most idiotic thing is that actually registering weapons of no influence
    doesn’t have an effect on crime detection. Well, no way.

    Kurchensky shooter, if he couldn’t legally buy, he would buy it in advance.
    He was going to kill.
    And he knew for sure that he would not survive. And we ... he was on the rules of registration, storage, and on Mr. Z. - in particular.

    But Zolotov’s example, obviously, shows that negative selection takes place.
  50. pv1005
    pv1005 20 October 2018 21: 21
    +2
    Quote: Irokez
    In the age of electronics, you can control a lot of things, but for some reason weapons are not controlled like that. Well, let's chip every weapon guns unit. And all the information from GPS and GLONAS flows into the database and is controlled where and how much each trunk is. Cellular and plastic cards are microchipped and visible in use, many cars with a control system where they are located (beacons) here are, if not 100% control, but weapon control.
    Suppose the operator saw that the chip weapon was displaced from the storage location (the program gave a signal to move) and immediately the owner of this weapon received a cell call like "Your weapon has been moved, what are you going to do?" If the owner, in the know, he will answer like hunting or at work, and if the weapon is stolen, or even in a school where it should not be, then immediately a signal for detention.
    And to sell weapons only with chips (and these are bracelets, inserts, and so on), without such a condition ACCIDENT as the owner’s age and psyche, and so on.
    The weapon chip can also be torn off and thrown into the trash or a child can throw it in the handbag, but there are also control measures for a second call or SMS, if the signal disappears and the owner must restore it or replace the chip (beacon), but at any time what is most important can be tracked at what time and where the trunk was. It’s on this control that we need to think about it and the authorities have less trouble and people have more security and tranquility. And besides, if the registered trunk is displaced, then the owner always gets SMS messages that the trunk is not in place and control the danger.

    Dreamer you my friend yes