The wreckage of the crashed L-39 found, the search for the crew continues

The search and rescue operation to detect the two pilots of the L-39 training aircraft injured on the eve of the Azov Sea continues in the Yeisk district of Kuban. At the moment, the rescuers could not find the pilot and navigator of the aircraft of the Center for Combat Training of flight personnel of the Russian Navy, who managed to eject over the Sea of ​​Azov.

As previously reported, the training aircraft L-39 "Albatross" on Thursday took off from a military airfield in Yeisk and during a training flight fell into the Sea of ​​Azov half a kilometer from the coast, the crew ejected. The wreckage of the aircraft detected by divers, currently undergoing work on their recovery. The preliminary cause of the crash is a technical malfunction.

The search for the crew continues for more than 12 hours, more than 220 people are involved in the operation. In addition to representatives of the Ministry of Defense, employees of the Southern Regional Department of the Russian Emergencies Ministry and Cossacks of the village of Dolzhanskaya participate in the search. According to the press service of the Ministry, four helicopters, two support vessels, as well as two boats of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and four boats of the FSB Border Guard are involved in the search. All ships and ships in the Azov Sea are warned about the possible presence of the aircraft crew in the water.

At the moment, the water in the Sea of ​​Azov is pretty cool - only 14 degrees, windy on the shore and no more than + 13 Celsius. In the area of ​​Dolzhanskaya Spit, where the plane fell, a very strong current, periodically changing its direction.

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[Comrade Beria]

Miracles sometimes happen. Let's hope.

[LSA57]

Quote: Comrade Beria

Miracles sometimes happen. Let's hope.

God help them

[vkl.47]

And that they do not have any rescue beacons? Even tourists have these rescue keychains. It is necessary that a dozen flyers drown and then before the Ministry of Defense comes as to a giraffe. That all pilots need to be provided with emergency radio beacons. I am already silent about inflatable floating craft. I still have since there is a "boat" from the catapult in the garage

[LSA57]

Quote: vkl.47

I still have a "boat" from the catapult in my garage

the logic is "iron". you have it in the garage, but the MO did not provide them with them. where did you get it? and if it was the last one ??? hand over immediately to the MO warehouse

[NN52]

Why are you so hot? Everything is and was .. And the raft (which is automatically inflated upon ejection), and the Komar avarmayak (which also works automatically and is afloat), and the ASP 74 belt (floats) ...
They were on WWI, they could "leave" the plane already at the "entry" into the water ... And the consequences are unpredictable ...
There are many ambiguities and inconsistencies in this case ...

[Random]

Quote: NN52

They were on WWI, they could "leave" the plane already at the "entry" into the water ...

The worst option ... and if they also "curled up", then ..... it's generally bad

[Piramidon]

Quote: vkl.47

And that they don’t have any rescue beacons? Even tourists have these rescue trinkets.it is necessary that a dozen flyers drowned then the Ministry of Defense will come as a giraffe. that it is necessary to provide all pilots with emergency radio beacons. I am already silent about inflatable boats. I still have a "boat" from the catapult in my garage

If you are interested, the "Giraffe" provided NAZs with radio beacons 50 years ago. The question is, did the boats (LAZ-1) manage to open up, were the pilots able to get on them, and were they even in a set of parachutes?
PS "Flyers" are yours. We have pilots.

[LSA57]

Quote: Piramidon

"Flyers" are yours.

yes, probably letaki

[Piramidon]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Piramidon

"Flyers" are yours.

yes, probably letaki

Litak, in Sumerian - an airplane.

[LSA57]

Quote: Piramidon

Litak, in Sumerian - an airplane.

I meant exactly that you said that we have people, I thought that they have that word

[Andrey Yuryevich]

it is not appropriate to shit, they are looking for pilots, and you laugh ... you remind Platoshkin, who cheerfully clinked glasses of water with his neighbor, yesterday, when they sucked on the details of the Kerchinskaya tragedy in the studio of "Channel One" ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it’s not appropriate to shit, they are looking for pilots, but you are neighing.

to blame

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it’s not appropriate to shit, they are looking for pilots, but you are neighing.

to blame

understood, then forgiven.

[keeper03]

Why is it taking so long to search ?! Do the MoE lack technical means ?! Connect no one else? !!
I hope the pilots will be found safe and sound!

[Alexander Galaktionov]

As I understand it, the Moscow Region seeks and hooked up the Ministry of Emergencies and still look for 12 hours, the training flight fell into the Sea of ​​Azov half a kilometer from the coast, fell not so far

[LSA57]

Quote: keeper03

Do the MoE lack technical means ?! Connect no one else? !!

Read the article carefully. not just a headline !!!!
"In addition to representatives of the Ministry of Defense, employees of the Southern Regional Directorate of the EMERCOM of Russia and the Cossacks of the village of Dolzhanskaya are involved in the search. According to the press service of the department, four helicopters, two support vessels, as well as two boats of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and four boats of the FSB border service are involved in the search. the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov, ships and ships were warned about the possible presence of the crew "

[Alexander Galaktionov]

The search for the aircraft crew has been going on for more than 12 hours, about 200 people are participating in the operation. In addition to representatives of the Ministry of Defense, employees of the Southern Regional Directorate of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia and Cossacks of the village of Dolzhanskaya participate in the search. Yes, they search for 12 hours Damn like a boat there, helicopters, UAVs-Orlans-10, Horizon Air S-100

[New Year day]

500 meters from the coast and 12 hours looking for a crew?

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

500 meters from the coast and 12 hours looking for a crew?

In the area of ​​Dolzhanskaya Spit, where the plane crashed, there is a very strong current, periodically changing its direction.

[Chicha squad]

Finding people deep is not an easy task

[New Year day]

Quote: Chicha Squad

Finding people deep is not an easy task

hope to rlubin business will not come.

[Chicha squad]

We must look at everything real. 200 people are looking for 12 hours of people 500 meters from the coast, in addition, the plane has already been found. They didn’t even find parachutes. This is not a mountain, not even a forest, just a smooth expanse of water. Let's hope for a miracle. Things happen. It may have washed ashore, but somewhere they wander on land.

[New Year day]

Quote: Chicha Squad

We must look at everything real

I always want to believe in a miracle

[Rushnairfors]

Excuse me, Chicha, but Kuban (Yeisk district in particular) is not Siberia, there are hells of settlements, roads, state farms and other infrastructure if they were on land and would have been alive long ago. I suppose that unfortunately they’re not looking for pilots but their bodies, no matter how painful it is to write these lines

[NN52]

Yes Dim, unfortunately so ....
Odnokans wrote ...
But hope dies last ....

[Rushnairfors]

I have relatives in Yeisk, yesterday I left them at the station, I’m standing there — an26 flies, the turntable is playing in circles, well, of course, l39 came home, in the evening, looking at the phone, and the monkans write in viber that “elka” fell in Yeisk, kapets.

[Random]

Quote: Rushnairfors

here settlements, roads, state farms and other infrastructure to hell, if they were on land and alive would have long been announced.

89g., 52 guards tbap, Tu-22M-2...k. Karpenko - L. and Logunov, after Kalinovka, already at 9000, the whole power plant "whipped" .... fell 36 km from Mariupol ... entered the ground at M> 1, the weight was under 100 tons, of which 16 tons of fuel .. ... no one saw or heard ... discovered only when the whole group had already sat down
They searched until morning and ... nothing ... only by 12.00 a local grandfather called the police department and said ... "sons ... there was something there last night, and ... it was burning strongly."
Oh how ... and so they would be looking ... "to this day"

[Rushnairfors]

But did they die? I meant that if the pilots got to the coast, then within 12 hours they would have made themselves felt in any case, since during this time you can get from Dolzhanskaya to Yeisk. And the fact that the plane crashed and nobody heard anything anywhere and does not know here, I won’t even be surprised.

[dauria]

+1
We must look at everything real.

Now you need to look. But really - the clothes get wet and after 5 minutes even the swimmer is exhausted. Without buoyancy equipment (even small ones, at least boards), such water cannot survive. You may not have time to take off your clothes. We must look to the last. There is nothing to think about.

[yustas]

There is also a parachute, which oh how quickly it becomes an anchor in the water (we hope for a miracle ... Unfortunately, no one has yet come up with ideal means of salvation

[denart50]

Quote: Chicha Squad

just smooth water surface. Let's hope for a miracle. Things happen. It may have washed ashore, but somewhere they wander on land.

Fell on October 18 somewhere around 17.00 hours ... A day has passed ... Including the night ...
There, the Sea of ​​Azov is like a marquise puddle ... all the more so, not far from the coast ... And if you went ashore - it's not a deserted desert around ...
Although I want to believe in a miracle, however ... a day has passed ... you need to be realistic ...

All this is somehow wild ... On a reliable plane ... and - an abyss without end ... like a black hole ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Chicha Squad

Finding people deep is not an easy task

hope to rlubin business will not come.

After overloads with ejection, not everyone will be able to quickly emerge and swim "crawl" or "breaststroke". I would like to believe in the best.
There are many questions. 1.Were they dressed in MSC? - definitely not. 2. Have you saved them. vests? - I doubt it. 3.Was the LAS-1 parachute laid? - ...

[Korax71]

And what, now, is it interesting, the temperature of the water in the Sea of ​​Azov? Just if somehow the guys didn’t have any of the funds listed by you, how much time will they be able to stay in the water?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Korax71

And what is now, interestingly, the temperature of the water in the Sea of ​​Azov?

Well, it’s written the same -

At the moment, the water in the Sea of ​​Azov is pretty cool - only 14 degrees, windy on the shore and no more than + 13 Celsius. In the area of ​​Dolzhanskaya Spit, where the plane fell, a very strong current, periodically changing its direction.

[Random]

Quote: Piramidon

not everyone will be able to quickly emerge and swim "crawl" or "breaststroke".

I agree ... in a leather jacket, in a military school, in a military-industrial complex ... very problematic, but if I was still unconscious, then .....

Quote: Piramidon

I would like to believe in the best.

Unfortunately .. but miracles do not happen ....
It is astounding that the border guards did not notice .. the dill is being monitored constantly, and the border craft are all fast and should be on the move .... in general, alone ... misunderstandings

[Olegater]

I'd like to hope that the crew will survive !!!!!! Pilots the most important thing !!!!! And iron. We must do our own in sufficient quantities, so that we don’t train and fly on this Czech trash.

[LSA57]

Quote: Olegater

so that you don’t train and fly on this Czech trash.

on this, as you say, "trash" for more than a dozen years, thousands of novice pilots received a ticket to the sky.
so ashamed of veterans ...

[Olegater]

That's exactly not a single "ten years" !!!!! Do you have your own flying training desks? And yak130 kill?
Before minus, read and understand the meaning of SMS !!!!!!!!

[LSA57]

Quote: Olegater

Before minus, read and understand the meaning of SMS !!!!!!!!

I understood the meaning correctly. just pick the words

[Olegater]

I select, according to my considerations and my opinion, not for me to point out my statements. Not satisfied, do not comment.

[LSA57]

Quote: Olegater

I select, according to my considerations and my opinion,

have any opinion. and I didn’t tell you about the opinion

not for me to point out my statements.

Well then, along with the post, lay out a list of who has and who does not have the right to respond

Not satisfied, do not comment.

about how. and how do you understand for what exactly minus you?

[Olegater]

Read the comment carefully !!!!!
I defend my point of view and print my thoughts about the list of who has and who doesn’t, in my opinion you have such authority if you are a moderator. If not, then do not bother to comment on the article. Note trash that L39 has long been to be replaced by its flying desks. Clear?

[LSA57]

Quote: Olegater

I defend my point of view and print my

and I defend my point of view and print my thoughts

If not, then do not bother to comment on the article.

and how did I bother you ???? did not agree with you ???? Well, open your site on which there will be only one opinion. YOUR

Note trash which l39

sorry, but it looks like "rubbish", sorry admins, in your head. you didn't understand anything
I think that further explaining something to you is pointless.
I finish the dialogue, I see no reason to answer

[Olegater]

They do not force me to say that I won’t see you again in the answers to my comments, I really hope so !!!!!

[yustas]

Guys, let's not be afraid, find out in other branches of the relationship or in PM, purely human.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Olegater

Are there any training flying desks? And yak130 ub?

Yaks just went to the troops, do you think that in a couple of years they provided all the units with them? Basically, while all the same "El-ki" rule.

[Olegater]

Sucks that are not provided.

[Alexey-74]

And that when ejection is not provided "beacons" that should be automatically (manually) included ???

[Alekseits]

Provided, but they automatically turn on after the parachute opens. It seems that during the bailout something went wrong on the staffing table. Either the pilots collided in the air, or the altitude was insufficient to open the parachutes.

[Aloemc]

Quote: Alekseits

Provided, but they automatically turn on after the parachute opens. It seems that during the bailout something went wrong on the staffing table. Either the pilots collided in the air, or the altitude was insufficient to open the parachutes.

Should catapults on this plane not from 0 altitude save the life of the crew?

[Random]

Quote from AloeMC

Should catapults on this plane not from 0 altitude save the life of the crew?

Not all, but only those where there is KSMT, besides this there are restrictions on the "drop" of the flashlight and on the high-speed head, plus 0 to 0 when you are in the horizon, and with a negative V vertical descent, you have a negative coefficient to the rate of descent in METERS .... example ... 0 m / s vertical descent ...-50-70 meters from the minimum safe bailout height

[faridg7]

The Albatros K-36 was not installed ...

[Random]

Quote: faridg7

The Albatros K-36 was not installed ...

And what does the K-36 have to do with it? Yes, there are VS-1 BRIs on the "Elk" and that ... The restrictions on all seats are practically the same (except for those types ... where they jump down ... there are even tougher restrictions) and on the "Elk" with a flashlight (with its reset) less "troubles"

[AlexG83]

GLONASS transmitters not available in equipment or what?

[Alexander Galaktionov]

Should a signal pistol also come in?

[NN52]

The NAZ kit includes a signal mortar with signal cartridges ...

[Random]

Quote: Alexander Galaktionov

Should a signal pistol also come in?

Everything in NAZ and the "signaling" and false fans for night and a flashlight and a "spotting tool", but the "suitcase" still needs to be "caught" (that is, pulled up to you, and before that you have to get into the boat (raft)

[Rzzz]

GLONASS transmitters - they are on satellites, 20 thousand kilometers from the earth.
What you most likely mean is called an ARB at sea, or an ELT on a plane. COSPAS-SARSAT system. It is mandatory, it saved many lives. But then on civilian technology, like the military - I do not know.

[Random]

Quote: rzzz

COSPAS-SARSAT system. It is mandatory, it saved many lives. But then on civilian technology, like the military - I do not know.

Also (only with some variations), that's just it all on the plane, and not in the ISS, unfortunately

[Rzzz]

There are wonderful wearable satellite beacons:

Much more useful than the ancient Komar. True, everything is imported, and it seems that we are not supposed to buy imported equipment for the military.
And instead of Mosquitoes, it's time to buy normal radio stations. Moreover, to develop such that work in the aviation range, and in the marine. On a modern elemental base, this is elementary.

[Random]

Quote: AlexG83

GLONASS transmitters not available in equipment or what?

NO

[Chicha squad]

It turns out that only in American films they show that gps pilots work with pilots and operators immediately see on the computer screen where they are accurate to the meter?

[Random]

Quote: Chicha Squad

do gps pilots work for pilots and operators immediately see on the computer screen where they are accurate to a meter?

Only not the pilot, but the CHAIR, but everything is correct .. they have "this lotion"

[Romka47]

No, in Syria, when our Turks were shot down, the surviving pilot hid, ours knew exactly where he was by the beacon

[prior]

Home country, what have you become ?!
Every day, someone is killed, beaten, robbed, endless accidents .... buses, missiles, planes, helicopters .....
World has gone mad.
Lord Bless and save....

[DarkMatter]

Every day, someone was always killed, beaten, robbed, there were endless accidents.
Another thing is that at this stage in the development of information transmission media (Internet), information about various kinds of incidents comes in an order of magnitude more than before. From here it seems as if everything has increased. It seems that earlier in a county of some province a master on the top three knocked down peasants 100 years ago, and on the same day the train went off the rails at the other end of the country. They just knew about this not throughout the country, but only in that city / village.
There is much more information and it appears more efficient, hence the stress from the abundance of incidents. The way out is to realize this situation and take it more calmly, or partially protect yourself from it (less read the criminal chronicle and stop watching NTV and similar around the clock).
P.S. in no way contrast or justify the events that happened. You should always strive to improve the situation, correct mistakes and prevent crimes. However, you need to understand the changes in the information environment that I wrote about above.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: prior

Every day, someone is killed, beaten, robbed, endless accidents .... buses, missiles, planes, helicopters .....
World has gone mad.

This is not the world gone crazy - all the same thing happened before. In the media, such cases always creep into the front page - the media love to publish information about disasters, scandals and other sensations. And then suck on different versions of what happened, retyping each other.
It’s just that before the media there was less - and now the flow of information is not carried except from the iron ... and that, not a fact.
And it has not just begun.

One evening, when the two or three of us wandered up the stairs, dreaming secretly about war or hunger, Todkhanter, a correspondent for the city chronicle department, rushed past us with a joyful cry and burst into the room to the assistant editor. We rushed after him. He waved a notebook over his head and demanded pens, ink and paper.
"What happened? The assistant editor shouted, catching his excitement. “Again, a flash of influenza?”
“Rise higher,” Todkhanter shouted, “the ship, on which there was a whole excursion, drowned, one hundred twenty people died, - these are four columns of heartbreaking scenes!”
“I swear by Zeus,” burst out from the assistant, “at a more appropriate moment this could not happen!”
He immediately sat down and sketched a short editorial, which spread how painfully and regretfully the newspaper must report the misfortune, and drew the attention of readers to the heartbreaking report, to which we owe the energy and talent of “our special correspondent”.
“This is the law of nature,” said Jeffson, “do not imagine that we are the first philosophers, amazed that the misfortune of one person is often a source of happiness for another.”

© Jerome K.K. Jerome. As we wrote the novel. 1893

[Runoway]

The ancient age, a gps tracker on Ali costs about ~ 2tr, is it really impossible to supply pilots with auto power-on with glonass with something like that with glonass?

[LSA57]

Quote: Runoway

The ancient age, a gps tracker on Ali costs about ~ 2tr, is it really impossible to supply pilots with auto power-on with glonass with something like that with glonass?

Yes EVERYTHING is there !!!!! Well, something did not work !!!! to

[Chicha squad]

Not a few criminal cases have already been brought to these trackers with Ali. Bullshit of course. There wasn’t anything there, they can’t find pilots from combat aircraft, but here is a training one.

[Korax71]

The group of GPS satellites is much larger than GLONASS, and the information processing capacities are not comparable. Perhaps the catch is that the signal passed, but it took some time from the moment it was received and processed. And in that place it seems like the flow could and demolish

[Rzzz]

And then GPS satellites in general?

[Rzzz]

"Tracker with Ali" works over a cellular network. Those. its range is a couple of tens of kilometers from the base station, and a couple of hundred meters in height.
And the reliability of this device does not allow it as emergency equipment. So, hang the maximum dog on the collar.
For search and rescue there are appropriate devices.

[goblin xnumx]

You don’t understand yet what country you live in? - Do you believe that they will interpret to you from the box? sorry for the guys ... I hope that there are still living

[goblin xnumx]

looked - the release was finished in 1999 - almost a new plane - to fly and fly - but I read something else - "The Economic and Transport Department of Kazan will update 40% of the fleet of the city executive committee. Cars aged from 7 to 12 years old with 100% wear will be replaced by domestic passenger transport . "- here it is impossible to save on safety and health :)

[ODERVIT]

Everything in the kit is available. No one will ever encroach on the sacred, something that can save the pilot’s life and help survive until the arrival of the MSS. The R-855 works like a beacon automatically after the chair leaves the cockpit; in addition, it can be used to establish voice communication with the PSS helicopter. The LAS-1 boat, in my opinion, is not a good tool, it does not have an inflatable floor and it’s hard to get into it from the water, although the pilots are trained in this. We will hope to the last for a successful outcome.

[Random]

Quote: ODERVIT

. The R-855 works like a beacon automatically after the chair exits the cockpit; in addition, it can also be used to establish voice communication with the PSS helicopter.

I’ll fix it a bit ..... not after leaving the chair from the cockpit, but after you hang on the dome, separating from the chair and the cutter separate everything and NAZ and BOAT and LIGHTHOUSE , but you can only get in touch after opening the suitcase and taking out the Komar and Surf, well, before that, naturally, got into the boat.

The boat "rinsing" so ... what do you think ... "pants" pulls (tested on myself )
And it’s good when there is a margin in height, and if they have .....

[Random]

Quote: Random

everything is separated from the chair and the pyro cutter, and NAZ and BOAT and LIGHTHOUSE

And on old chairs you could do it yourself (well, or in cases of splashdown or tree planting (it protects your butt well)

[ODERVIT]

I agree with the amendments.

[Random]

Quote: ODERVIT

I agree with the amendments

[NN52]

Sergei

And where did you jump with the "raft" (boat)? If it `s not a secret?

[Random]

Quote: NN52

And where did you jump with the "raft" (boat)? If it `s not a secret?

1985, Su-17M3,4x UPK-23-250, all 4 worked at the dive at once and ... both PChKs ... "went on their own ... path" and I the remaining distance to the house ... "went on foot"
Therefore, they subsequently and .. "did not take root" on the Su-17s

[kunstkammer]

I am very sorry ... but the guys no doubt died. Azov water is very insidious. And if even one survived, they would have long been found. In those places wherever people go everywhere.