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Kerch There are more questions than answers.

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The tragedy in Kerch gives serious food for thought. First and foremost, these reflections are connected with the description of those nightmarish events that occurred today at the local polytechnic college. One of the points of the description, as stated, of the “restored chronology of events”, is as follows: all 19 victims of the tragedy died from gunshot wounds.


The question already arises: how is this possible if the 18-year-old killer, as stated, had the 12 caliber rifle on him? Even if so weapons provide a professionally trained shooter, then he would also have difficulties with the implementation of the nightmarish plan that ultimately manifested itself in Kerch.

Time for reloading weapons - one time, psychological stability when shooting actually familiar people - two, accurate understanding of which step should be next - three, time constraints and literally programmatic actions - four, implementing the plan in such a way that no one will able to somehow prevent its implementation, - five.

How much time would it really take for the 18-year-old to stand alone in the conditions of a radical panic among hundreds of people against the background of the explosions to kill a 19 man from a smooth-bore pump-action shotgun with a 5-7 magazine for cartridges? Even if it is taken for granted that every shot became fatal for the one whom the alleged killer shot, then it certainly cannot be a matter of seconds. But still at least 37 wounded.

The killer accurately calculated that he would have enough time, or was he not alone?

Monotonous, verified shooting says that a person (or several people) was working, obviously prepared. The question is: did he prepare himself for the mass murder, which is still more like a blatant terrorist act, or was this young man “helped”? And not only technical training, but also psychological ones cannot be bracketed.

A separate issue: explosive devices. All those videos that are published by eyewitnesses to the terrible tragedy, suggest that part of the VCA could already be in the college building by the time the shooting started. Again, what should a college student have to have in order to create an IED, as stated, “from improvised means”? Where did they get this highly specialized knowledge? Initially, it was stated that we could not talk about explosive devices as such, but it was about powerful enough squibs to sow panic. But then in social networks photos of the deadly stuffing of these "firecrackers" began to appear. One of these - below.

In the photo - the striking elements of the VCA:
Kerch There are more questions than answers.


Homemade bombs in the bag:


The bloody drama in Kerch was commented by the President of Russia, having honored the memory of the victims with a minute of silence together with Egyptian President Abdelfattah Al-Sisi (during a joint press conference). The President called the incident a tragedy, expressed condolences to the families and friends of the victims and wished a speedy recovery to the injured.

"Military Review" expresses sincere condolences to all the families and friends of the victims and expects that the investigation will establish all the details of the terrible crime in the Republic of Crimea.

PS The alleged killer was found on the floor in a college library. He is said to have committed suicide.
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  1. Granddad
    Granddad 17 October 2018 20: 43
    +25
    Look for someone who is profitable and who calculated everything so clearly .. And draw conclusions without haste ..
    Ah boys, they die again .. The kingdom of heaven to them, did not save.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 October 2018 20: 50
      +1
      Quote: Grandpa
      Look for someone who is profitable and who calculated everything so clearly .. And draw conclusions without haste ..
      Ah boys, they die again .. The kingdom of heaven to them, did not save.

      This attack was organized by Ukraine, and of course the United States .. Everyone was killed in the Donbass, but there was no answer .. That’s why they became impudent .. Another question .. the FSB was slammed .. this is also a serious flaw ..
      The tragedy itself is so cruel and cynical that if it turns out that this is the work of the Nazis and the United States .. A tough answer is needed ..
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 17 October 2018 20: 59
        +7
        There are certainly questions to the FSB. By the way, Columbine shooters also shot themselves in the library.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 17 October 2018 21: 14
          +26
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Questions to the FSB of course there are

          There are plenty of questions and inconsistencies in this tragedy. But do not forget that the media are read not only by ordinary people, but also by the geeks who are behind this terrible tragedy. Therefore, you should not be so critical of everything that is officially and not officially published. This is also part of the operational work and its real results will become known at best in a couple of months. I would like to hope that the public will never learn about the customers from official sources, because they will be quietly "soaked in the outhouse" as the guarantor promised us all.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 17 October 2018 21: 18
            +15
            I have a question for Rosguard employees. Why the hell did you give permission to purchase a 18 hunting firearm to a summer college student? Yes, he is an adult, without drives. But what is his weapon for? Where was he going to hunt? In college ? Fellow students knew that he was openly engaged in explosives. What information did Rosgvardia officials have when checking a candidate for a firearm?
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 32
              +26
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              What the hell did you give permission to purchase a hunting firearm for an 18 year old college student?

              and what right did they have not to give out?
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 17 October 2018 22: 21
                +6
                Now, if in Russia it was free enough (restriction - you have to be an adult, mentally normal and not have problems with the law) a short barrel was sold, the tragedy would have been on a much smaller scale. He would have killed the first victims, and then they would have shot him.
                Axiom - security officials will never protect against all problems. And when the country near where the Nazis seized power is near, resonant killings, both mass and specific public figures, will continue.
                1. Grim Reaper
                  Grim Reaper 17 October 2018 23: 39
                  +1
                  Just run in inadequate stool. And no short barrels are needed. Only eggs are needed. But 19 in minutes, sales including svu, one person? I do not believe.
                  1. lopvlad
                    lopvlad 18 October 2018 01: 47
                    +10
                    Quote: Grim Reaper
                    Just run in inadequate stool.


                    on one side a stubby stool will fall and on the other side a daredevil with eggs shot in a sieve, this is the best case. And if a guy fired a round of a gun cartridge with a self-tear in the form of nail clippings, then the eggs and the hero will lie far from each other.
                    1. Grim Reaper
                      Grim Reaper 18 October 2018 02: 11
                      +3
                      Ohoho. Well, well, let it be your way. You can't be persuaded. And I will not try. That's right, a stool in one direction, eggs in the other ... And in 12 gauge we push "nail trimming" for what? Unclear. But how it sounds!
                      Well, as in a joke, a hefty mouse leaves the refrigerator, drags cheese, sausages, lard. Stops near a mousetrap with a moldy slice of cheese
                      "Well, like children, damn it"
                2. tomket
                  tomket 18 October 2018 01: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  He would have killed the first victims, and then they would have shot him.

                  Here is the question. The man moved out on the basis of: unrequited love, "bad college", "did not fit into the team", problems in the family, a difficult childhood, love of weapons, love of maniacs, this is an approximate list that was announced. Actually, the tragedy occurred because of his excessive agility in obtaining legal weapons. Now imagine how many students go around with the above voiced reasons for mass murder?
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 18 October 2018 06: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: tomket
                    Now imagine how many students walk with the aforementioned voiced reasons for the massacre

                    ... just about ..... it was still not enough for youthful maximalism and the desire for self-affirmation in the team to be supported by free-selling firearms .....
                    .... and even before shooting class to class .... the crowd to the crowd is not far ......
                    1. Ushly_bashkort
                      Ushly_bashkort 18 October 2018 06: 47
                      +5
                      Fans of the short barrel somehow do not take into account the fact that people are not shy about using injuries with or without. If you massively pump the population with trunks, then the 90s will seem like flowers.
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 18 October 2018 09: 22
                        +2
                        So after all, injuries are often perceived as "non-lethal" weapons and the owners of rubber arrows do not think, when they start shooting, that they can seriously injure or kill a person. Plus, the injuries are smooth-bore, the barrel cannot be identified by the sleeve. In contrast to the short-barreled, which is easily identified and perceived as a really dangerous weapon.
                      2. Ushly_bashkort
                        Ushly_bashkort 18 October 2018 10: 54
                        +1
                        So, if there is a firearm, some will also think in the last instance about the consequences and responsibility, the main problem to be solved here and now. About the fact that a shot, for example, over their heads can fly to someone in an apartment, too few people think. In our country, there is simply no culture of handling weapons, some even in the army held it in their hands once or twice.
                      3. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 18 October 2018 11: 19
                        +2
                        Sorry, after all, in Finland, Moldova and Estonia, there was also no special culture of handling weapons, but people did not start shooting each other uncontrollably. The firearm is perceived by its owner differently from the rubberstrel. The owner of the trauma, shooting does not count on killing the enemy. The owner of the firearm understands that his shot can be deadly. A completely different psychology of attitudes towards weapons, trauma in our country is considered a kind of "long fist", not realizing its danger. A firearm can only be perceived by a mentally ill person, but such a person will not be given a license. Our air rifles regularly shoot at birds and at people too, just for the sake of entertainment, but I don’t remember any cases even when drunk someone would shoot from a firearm or carbine. Another thing is a madman who decides on mass murder, but here is just the most effective means - a firearm from potential victims.
                      4. Ushly_bashkort
                        Ushly_bashkort 18 October 2018 14: 29
                        0
                        Sorry, but you judge by yourself. Now, knowing myself, I will not carry a firearm in my hands from sin, and even the same injury or knife. People will massively begin to solve everyday conflicts with a firearm, and these "stoppers" that you described will not work. I am not saying that most citizens will do this, but many.
                      5. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 18 October 2018 14: 53
                        +1
                        I judge not by myself, but by the experience of those countries where weapons were already permitted. Do you really think that there are Pithecanthropus living in Russia, who, unlike Estonians and Moldavians, having received weapons, will immediately rush to solve all problems by shooting?
                      6. Ushly_bashkort
                        Ushly_bashkort 18 October 2018 15: 40
                        0
                        No, I don’t think so, but I remember perfectly the nineties when they shot without restriction on the street during the day. Why should it be different now?
                      7. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 18 October 2018 15: 44
                        +1
                        So in fact in the 90s they shot from unregistered or simply stolen trunks. And from a legal weapon, the data of which is in the bulletproof library of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, only a nut will be thoughtlessly fired. But, crazy, however, no one will sell weapons.
                      8. faridg7
                        faridg7 18 October 2018 13: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Ushly_bashkort
                        In our country, there is simply no culture of handling weapons, some even in the army held it in their hands once or twice.

                        So if he (weapons) in the country for personal use will not be, then there will be no culture of treatment with him.
                      9. Ushly_bashkort
                        Ushly_bashkort 18 October 2018 14: 31
                        0
                        We have weapons in personal use in bulk and getting it is not a problem. Another thing is that rifles and carbines in our streets do not drag. For the formation of culture, you need to organize circles, in schools on NVP to carry on shooting ranges, but a lot of things. Otherwise, there will be a wild west adjusted for our realities.
              2. viktor_ui
                viktor_ui 18 October 2018 06: 30
                +4
                And what right did they have not to give ??? Yes, by the fact that he simply has no life experience, in the head there is a mess, a lot of ambitions in the style of stealing so much a million, and fucking ... so the queen - remember yourself in his years. I know a bunch of examples when young and aromatic took up the trunks - all have one result - a cemetery or a zone. I wanted a weapon, let it be brought to the army ... but no ... - killed a bunch of innocents and died as he did - and maybe they helped. His family needs to be turned inside out for at least a minimum - legs of 100 pounds grow from there. Really want a personal trunk ... it hurts a lot of shit around the perimeter.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 17 October 2018 21: 45
              +34
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              I have a question for Rosguard employees.

              You would be careful, otherwise Zolotov will cause you to a duel .. he doesn’t like questions ..
              1. Olegater
                Olegater 17 October 2018 23: 13
                +3
                Dear Svarog !!!!!!!
                This is a ch.m. he can do nothing more than a duel, but he is a devoted dog of the darkest, which gives him the right to remain on duty !!!!!!!!
                And so, if you look at many reasons led to this tragedy and they began long before that !!!!!!!

                If you want, I can clarify everything.
            3. Vita vko
              Vita vko 17 October 2018 22: 19
              +4
              Okay, the Russian Guard, made a formal weapon permit, the psychologist stupidly sold the certificate. But now the "hedgehog" understands that the death of people is associated with a terrorist attack. But the law enforcement agencies qualify this crime as "the murder of two or more persons"! Or is it the presence of ISIS symbols and extremist literature for the prosecutor's office? Found it means a terrorist attack, did not find a murder. Unfortunately, in this case, the reluctance of officials to introduce the CTO regime in the region is very strongly visible. But the most important thing about a similar tragedy in Beslan, the trials are still going on. Is the Prosecutor General's Office's fear of the claims of the victims' relatives so great that they are ready to blame the tragedy on the 18-year-old psycho? In this case, the Kerch educational institution may be the first in the list of educational institutions in which the tragedies will repeat.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 17 October 2018 22: 43
                -1
                Quote: Vita VKO
                But now the "hedgehog" is clear that the death of people is associated with a terrorist attack.

                definition of a terrorist attack
                "In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, a terrorist act is the commission of an explosion, arson or other actions that frighten the population and create the danger of human death, causing significant property damage or other grave consequences, in order to destabilize the activities of authorities or international organizations"
                Are you sure that his goal was to destabilize the situation?
                1. Vita vko
                  Vita vko 18 October 2018 08: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: LSA57
                  are you sure he had a goal

                  He had a definite goal, and after that it definitely did not add stability either to Kerch or in Russia. All his classmates talk about isolation and non-sociability. This is how "living bombs" are usually treated by psychologists of terrorists, whose main training center was relocated by the CIA in 2014 to Kiev, directly to the SBU building. But such a large-scale terrorist attack, and even connected with the special services of a neighboring state, will require decisive responses from the authorities, which they do not want to take. So they are trying to release everything on the brakes.
              2. Moore
                Moore 18 October 2018 04: 32
                +4
                Quote: Vita VKO
                Is the fear of the Prosecutor General's Office before the lawsuits of the relatives of the victims so great that they are ready to attribute the tragedy to an 18-year-old psycho? In this case, the Kerch educational institution may be the first in the list of educational institutions in which the tragedy repeats itself.

                Not only in front of relatives - in front of the superiors too. That bosses, as it seems, has not yet completely formed its point of view and awaits the reaction of the First. And he, I think, is thinking hard, give the command to dig to the end and then solemnly declare the presence of another terrorist state with all that it implies, or let it go on the brakes and feed the story with a lunatic psycho, having received several more such attacks and another failure to trust in yourself and your possible successors.
                There is something to think about. And revenge is a dish that is served cold.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 18 October 2018 04: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Moore
                  having received in the future several more such attacks

                  and this is precisely a terrorist attack? on what grounds did you identify?
                  and the fact that it was just a crazy kinker who was settling scores with his native techie couldn’t be like that? After all, he purposefully looked for two teachers in the classrooms. found and killed. isn't it strange for a terrorist attack?
            4. Simargl
              Simargl 17 October 2018 23: 19
              +3
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              What the hell did you give permission to purchase a hunting firearm for an 18 year old college student?
              Those. Do you think that if he didn’t have his trunk, he wouldn’t find anything for this trick? If, according to the author, he had curators and / or assistants, would they not provide him with weapons?
            5. aiden
              aiden 18 October 2018 01: 07
              +3
              If he was openly engaged in explosives, then he should have already arrived. I know many cases where on the Internet I mentioned about centuries, so they came.
              The FSB, the Russian Guard and shkolota, knowing about the centuries, were cheated.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 01: 57
                -2
                Quote: aiden
                The FSB, the Russian Guard and shkolota, knowing about the centuries, were cheated.

                I understood almost everything. I did not understand just why the Russian Guard was to blame, but the cops had nothing to do with it request
              2. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 18 October 2018 06: 38
                +2
                Quote: aiden
                If he was openly engaged in explosives, then he should have arrived

                condolences to the smyam of the dead and the full recovery of the wounded.

                really big bombs about bombs.
                there is knowledge for home-made on the Internet, but this is not enough. need materials. experience. It is necessary to experiment and then accidents often happen.
                in terms of the number of deaths from the explosion (even taking into account the confined space), the bomb pulled a kilogram of 10 TNT. the reptile made very professional explosives /
            6. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock 18 October 2018 04: 13
              +1
              the "guard" could only disperse rallies against the pension reform
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 04: 51
                0
                Quote: Hammerlock
                the "guard" could only disperse rallies against the pension reform

                This is its main function. they do not conduct an investigation. prevent FSB attacks
            7. sleeve
              sleeve 18 October 2018 04: 47
              -1
              Oh, how we love to exclaim after: why didn’t you break the law in order to save lives ?!
            8. Wilderness
              Wilderness 18 October 2018 07: 32
              +2
              Here the questions are more likely to the psychiatrist who issued the relevant certificate. I do not believe that such fatty cockroaches in my head were not visible.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 17 October 2018 22: 21
            +3
            Quote: Vita VKO
            But do not forget that the media is read not only by ordinary people,

            extreme info from the media
            "According to preliminary data, at about 12:20, with the beginning of a big break, an 18-year-old student of the fourth, final year Vladislav Roslyakov entered the dining room, left his bag there, and then left. There was an improvised explosive device in the bag. Moving away from the door for some distance , he removed a gun from a bundle (possibly a tube for drawings), detonated a bomb, and then opened fire on the people in the room.

            Using panic, he went up to the second floor, where, among others, he targeted the head teacher and one of the teachers, searching for them in the study. According to eyewitnesses, during the shooting, Roslyakov used several firecrackers or improvised pyrotechnic devices to increase panic. This information must be confirmed by experts.
            After firing about 20 shots, the attacker committed suicide in the library. A gun was found near the body, documents on it, as well as several bandoliers.

            According to preliminary data, Roslyakov studied with “good” and “excellent”, but he did not support special comradely relations with anyone. The motives for the action of the Kerch shooter are still unknown, and most classmates did not expect anything like this from him.

            Now in the apartment where Roslyakov lived, a search is underway, investigators seize computers and tools. “At present, the investigation does not have evidence that the incident was a pre-planned terrorist attack, behind which there are any terrorist or extremist organizations,” the Lenti.ru interlocutor emphasized.

            According to the UK, as of 17:30, 18 dead and 74 injured are known. Crimean authorities report 19 dead. "
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            2. Grim Reaper
              Grim Reaper 18 October 2018 00: 08
              0
              And committed suicide. Ends in the water .....
            3. aiden
              aiden 18 October 2018 01: 11
              +4
              Most likely he was just riled by everyone there, including teachers. That's revenge. Moreover, it was closed.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 01: 54
                -1
                Quote: aiden
                including teachers

                Using panic, he went up to the second floor, where, among others, he targeted the head teacher and one of the teachers, searching for them in the study
          3. CALL.
            CALL. 17 October 2018 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: Vita VKO
            because they will be quietly "soaked in the toilet" as the guarantor promised us all.

            I wanted to object to you, but this is not the case.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 17 October 2018 21: 45
          +13
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          By the way, Columbine shooters also shot themselves in the library.

          By the way, this version has the right to life, the Kerch scenario of the tragedy is almost one on one with Columbine.
          1. freejack
            freejack 17 October 2018 22: 06
            +4
            this version has the right to life

            Kerch the strait ... Kerch bridge... Kerch college ... Kerch is already a global trend ... And And some kind of abomination this trend has used. To make the world sound louder ....
            PS For some reason this reminds me of the murder of Nemtsov. Then it was necessary to do it brazenly and loudly. All this is somehow suspicious ...
            PSS A blessed memory and eternal peace to the dead ... A speedy recovery for the victims ... Condolences to the parents of the children ... hi
          2. Zubr
            Zubr 17 October 2018 23: 22
            +3
            hi
            There were at least two explosions in place. Found another APU that did not work. How could an 18-year-old kid, with such composure and professionalism, organize all this and that he would not be spotted? And especially to prepare explosive devices?
          3. aiden
            aiden 18 October 2018 01: 14
            +7
            Throw a couple more thoughts. Where did he get the money from? There is a gun one thousand 50 worth. Mother nurse, s / n thousand 20. He did not work. Father does not live with them
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 18 October 2018 02: 02
              -3
              Quote: aiden
              Where did he get the money

              and you don’t know that an 18 year old guy can earn some money somewhere?
              Or were you a student?
          4. aiden
            aiden 18 October 2018 01: 20
            0
            There is another point to consider. According to inflation, he was fond of maniacs, so he found himself an idol, which he imitated. I’ll find some kind of note
        3. Egor53
          Egor53 17 October 2018 22: 58
          +12


          Please pay attention to the photo of the terrorist who committed suicide. The head is whole, this is when fired from a 12 gauge. The upper part of the head is covered by an invisibility net. On the right hand is a book ??? Who put her there? A glove on his right hand? When firing a pump-action shotgun, she, the glove, should have been on the left.
          It seems to me that we, the Lord, are being held for idiots.
          1. Egor53
            Egor53 17 October 2018 23: 06
            +11
            I would also like to draw attention to the obvious trace of a knife strike on a white T-shirt under the right shoulder blade. From a shot from a gun, this could not have appeared. And what does the little book cover up there? Is she on him, did she fall from a shot?
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 17 October 2018 23: 19
              +11
              Ekshperd garden! Stop talking nonsense! Have you seen many criminal corpses to give such conclusions? Don’t hold us, gentlemen, for idiots! 1. there are traces of blood on the shirt, there is no tissue damage! 2. he is in the library, the book fell off the shelf, maybe not one! Well, the third, left half of the skull, where the fraction passed, is smeared so as not to injure the population.
              1. tomket
                tomket 18 October 2018 01: 19
                +4
                Quote: dr.star75
                Well, 3, the left half of the skull, where the fraction passed, is smeared so as not to injure the population.

                Well, as it were, and not a blurred photo. On it, the Iroquois seemed to have wrapped up, or maybe not, not to say so right away. But some sort of fatal destruction of the head is not particularly visible, as well as scraps. the most interesting thing is the position of the pump. in theory, the fingers should be in the trigger guard. And here it is as if enclosed. Although perhaps invested for a photo.
                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 18 October 2018 04: 53
                  +1
                  The legs would look. Bare feet and then ... That's why there are no fingers in the trigger. A long barrel for a hand-gun.
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 17 October 2018 23: 23
              +5
              Quote: Egor53
              I would also like to draw attention to the obvious trace of a knife strike on a white T-shirt under the right shoulder blade.
              If you poke a knife with a living person, he will flood the whole T-shirt with blood.
            3. Grim Reaper
              Grim Reaper 18 October 2018 00: 26
              0
              Do not carry crap
              Do not hit yourself with a knife, so slightly cut
              See what trace will be on the shirt.
              It is clearly seen that the upper part of the face is simply torn down. Would you like to watch,?
              Another question is he himself, or helped?
            4. Wilderness
              Wilderness 18 October 2018 08: 34
              -1
              If we assume that he shot himself while standing (perhaps even leaning against bookcases), then the book on it turned out to be a natural way (there could be a whole bunch of books). And splashes of blood on the back (and not the trace of a knife) - too. The head, by the way, when shot at point-blank range, can also look like a whole (until it is touched), it is like a ball filled with liquid, unlike a shot from a distance.
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              1. prapor55
                prapor55 18 October 2018 07: 07
                0
                How was the barrel relative to the head at the time of the shot, he shot himself in the left eye ??!
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 18 October 2018 04: 55
              0
              Here. Everything is clear and understandable. How and why. But this is only with regards to the bloody finale.
          3. aiden
            aiden 18 October 2018 01: 27
            0
            A piece of the head is blurred at the top in the middle
          4. Hammerlock
            Hammerlock 18 October 2018 04: 18
            +1
            When firing a pump-action shotgun, she, the glove, should have been on the left.

            and if he is left-handed? And the top of the head may not be, because shot down
          5. kuz363
            kuz363 18 October 2018 08: 58
            0
            Half the head after a gun shot would definitely not be
      2. Dersturm
        Dersturm 17 October 2018 21: 08
        +14
        Very unlikely, most likely they just helped ... "Shooting at school" is typical now in "the oldest democracy in the world", only thugs could plan such a terrorist attack, for whom such a situation is in the order of things and who think that there will be a standard investigation "crazy shot everyone as it was a thousand times already "... This is just my opinion ... condolences to families who have lost their children.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 31
        +11
        Quote: Svarog
        This attack was organized by Ukraine, and of the United States naturally.

        about how. the investigation may not even begin
        what if it turns out that this is the work of the Nazis and the United States.

        so everything is clear to you already. what to find out?
        1. Navigator Basov
          Navigator Basov 17 October 2018 21: 54
          +6
          Well this is highlie likly. Now everyone is doing it, what are we worse?
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      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 17 October 2018 22: 54
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        This attack was organized by Ukraine, and of course the United States ..

        Is this crime a terrorist act? Are crime organizers identified?
        spoiled the FSB .. this is also a serious flaw ..

        What has the FSB to do with it? Questions can only be addressed to the Public Security Police ("Killing two or more persons" and "Illegal possession and carrying of firearms and explosives") ...
        - "Baba Nyura", who was sitting at the entrance, probably did not have a portable and stationary KTS (alarm button);
        - the frame at the entrance was disabled (did not work);
        - in the "poorhouse" there was no full-time psychologist, and if there was, then he sat in his pants;
        - the class teacher (master of industrial training) could not "extinguish" conflicts in a subordinate group of students
        Roslyakov studied at “good” and “excellent”, but he did not support special friendly relations with anyone
        https://news.mail.ru/incident/35083159/?frommail=1;
        - the killer had problems with the teaching staff
        Taking advantage of the panic, he went up to the second floor, where, among others, it was aimed the head teacher and one of the teachers shot deadfinding them in workrooms.

        https://news.mail.ru/incident/35083159/?frommail=1
        A fourth-year student (graduate) just doesn’t take up arms ... maybe he saved up grudge from previous courses both for classmates and teachers, correspondingly all his connections and reasons for resentment should be digged a few years ago, and at the same time his connections including of the former students who could help him (it was unlikely that he could prepare it all alone) ....
      5. kuz363
        kuz363 18 October 2018 08: 54
        0
        Ukraine has nothing to do with it. Enough of all your sins to blame on her.
      6. Normal ok
        Normal ok 18 October 2018 12: 16
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        This attack was organized by Ukraine,

        One question: why is this for Ukraine? Answers like: because she is hellish, are not accepted.
        PySy. Well, turn off the zombie already and turn on the brain !!!
    2. 7gor
      7gor 17 October 2018 21: 19
      +2
      Grandpa, I’ve said everything correctly, I’d better keep silent, otherwise emotions outweigh
      1. dSK
        dSK 17 October 2018 22: 01
        +3
        Quote: 7gor
        Grandpa said everything right
        hi
        Many wounded, the shock will pass, they will tell all the details ...
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 17 October 2018 22: 45
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Many wounded, the shock will pass, they will tell all the details

          without them there is someone to tell. not one dozen witnesses
          1. dSK
            dSK 17 October 2018 22: 58
            +2
            Quote: LSA57
            a dozen witnesses

            “I was leaving college, and there was an explosion. I took refuge, covered my ears, covered my head and started to run away. Nearby were flying frames, glass, something was pouring. I didn’t immediately realize what happened, I just started running away from there, ”Roman Voitenko said in an interview with Tsargrad.
            He confirmed that the explosion occurred in the college cafeteria. According to Roman, after that only ruins remained of her. The blast wave knocked out the glass along with the frames of the windows, the attacker simply shot at point blank range from the gun as they fled from the site of the explosion.
    3. Maksus
      Maksus 17 October 2018 21: 31
      +11
      From a shotgun point-blank to a crowd of children, there could have been much more victims, it was just a shooting range. The echoes of American gunfire amid raging hormones are a hell of a mix. And about certificates - who seriously believes in "checks"? He was not registered - healthy! And there are a lot of recipes for explosives on the net, especially since the shooter loved chemistry.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 October 2018 21: 47
        +3
        You can’t do serious free explosives on chemicals. And the bomb was powerful, very.
        1. proletarian
          proletarian 18 October 2018 01: 59
          +2
          Dear K-612-O, knowing the recipe (which is completely complete on the Internet) and knowing inorganic chemistry at the eighth grade level of Soviet high school, you can get a lot of different explosives starting from aluminum powders (which can detonate) into flesh to hexogen.
          And that’s all at home.
          And yes: A very powerful explosive can be obtained from the "plus" plates of lead accumulators, I generally keep quiet about ASVV.
      2. nznz
        nznz 17 October 2018 22: 04
        +16
        theorist, did you get at least one money in the licensing system? I’ve personally been dried like that, but I wrote a hundred of his gift guns for myself. I worked in Sevre, well, there was fishing, it’s a sin not to shoot. But I still have to drink I couldn’t pre-register it. Because help is nonsense, but I still need a safe in a house with 2 locks and screwed it on to doom surfaces. That's right. I was like a falcon in 90 goals and I just couldn’t buy a safe "There was no money, I was selling things. I caught the patriotic one, about two weeks, I caught it, I can say it later with a safe, I can’t. I don’t send everything, I forgot and forgotten about me. And going again is a nightmare again. Prismut- I’ll bury it in polyethylene somewhere, I’ll dig it out, in the North many guys did it — in the tundra in the moss they will bury, they will show the sign. You leave without, you come without. Caught, well, I’ve found it ... to hand over.
        In addition, he’s 18 years old, he must be a member of the hunting community, and this is bait working out, harvesting forest and land, well, it’s a hassle. And then just get it. It feels like Ukrainians are sympathetic, and wherever they can indulge, in other words, column 5 .Not one he was for sure. It is necessary to clean the Crimea, oh how to clean
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 17 October 2018 22: 42
          +1
          Yes, I have a gun, a shotgun trigger. I know all these rules. It was about help, you are our practitioner.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 10
          +1
          Quote: nznz
          But poty and still, lies with me, and could not pre-arrange it.Because information is nonsense, but you still need a safe in a house with 2 locks and it is screwed to doom surfaces.

          Yes, but bad ....
          Weapons and cartridges belonging to the citizens of the Russian Federation must be stored at their place of residence in compliance with the conditions ensuring their safety, security of storage and excluding access to them by unauthorized persons, in lockers (locks), safe cabinets or metal cabinets for storing weapons, boxes of high-strength materials, or in wooden cases lined with iron................

          p. 59. Of the Rules Turnover of civil and service weapons and their ammunition in the territory of the Russian Federation
          http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_19504/81acb1053d663520577a756b5022f649cf447ad6/#dst100198
          In addition, he is 18 years old, he must be a member of the hunting community, and this is working out on bait, harvesting forests and land, well, hassle.

          It was during the Union and in the 90s. Now you pay a state duty of 110 rubles. and you get a hunting ticket at the MFC. Without it, you cannot take out hunting weapons from home, but you can with it, in addition, when designing a smooth-bore, you must write in a statement that you acquired it not for self-defense, but for hunting ...
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 October 2018 23: 37
            +3
            Those. Do you think that going to kill people would be stopped by the lack of permission to carry weapons ????
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 38
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              Those. Do you think that going to kill people would be stopped by the lack of permission to carry weapons ????

              No, of course, all that I wrote is about law-abiding citizens ...
        3. vatov
          vatov 18 October 2018 10: 46
          0
          now you just pay a fee, write a statement, bring a photo and already a hunter ... The old system with recommendations was completely destroyed with a trial period. And I got a ticket - go get permission to buy a barrel. Help from doctors is not a problem, in paid clinics. But I heard on Channel 1, he only has permission for "storage" - it looks like he got it for self-defense ...
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 17 October 2018 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Grandpa
      Look for someone who is profitable and who calculated everything so clearly .. And draw conclusions without haste ..
      Ah boys, they die again .. The kingdom of heaven to them, did not save.

      But what if the boy is profitable, his classmates frowned and his roof was torn off, that no one in the school had guys who wiped all their legs?
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 17 October 2018 22: 31
        +3
        Quote: Vol4ara
        his classmates frowned and his roof was torn off

        He doesn’t do anything silently when he doesn’t, he needs viewers who must evaluate the underestimated, there would certainly be threats of reprisal. And then everything is cold-blooded, according to eyewitnesses and investigators, as if almost a cyborg was acting. But this does not happen. Someone is brazenly lying.
    5. KLV2018
      KLV2018 17 October 2018 23: 53
      +2
      like a teenager was appointed guilty, and the military has increased guard duty. armored vehicles at all entrances to the unit.
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 October 2018 20: 47
    +15
    And what did he shoot? Bullets, buckshot, shot? This is how to hammer with a canister from the 12 caliber - it's like that from PP 9x18mm in short bursts.
    Although the actions of a loner, especially as they write "on the basis of love" are completely different.
    1. Yujanin
      Yujanin 17 October 2018 20: 50
      +12
      So after all, two more explosions followed. It is strange that the editors do not take this fact into account. I assume that most of the losses occurred as a result of the explosion.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 17 October 2018 20: 54
        +32
        The trouble is that they write about a lone student who is flawed in the whole head. And in reality it looks much more like a well-prepared action, where this "suicide" was just a consumable. A common thing for real terrorists, like those who gorge their belly behind a puddle. The performers are local. At the expense.
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 17 October 2018 21: 03
          +5
          But really much more like a well-prepared action

          So initially, according to the number of killed and wounded, one could assume that this was not a simple act of terrorism. In addition, the perpetrator "shot himself", while he could have fled freely from the crime scene.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 05
            0
            Quote: Yujanin
            while he could freely slip away from the scene of the crime.

            where to slip off ??? He studied at this technical school and they knew him there. he didn't even wear a mask
        2. Surg
          Surg 17 October 2018 22: 03
          +3
          He is rather a distracting maneuver and put on the false trail of operas. Allegedly, just went nuts and shot everyone. But in fact, the explosions were the main target. IMHO
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 07
            -1
            Quote: Surg
            But in fact, the explosions were the main target. IMHO

            and why the explosions then? if he killed by shooting
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 17 October 2018 21: 05
        +8
        Quote: Yujanin
        So after all, two more explosions followed. It is strange that the editors do not take this fact into account. I assume that most of the losses occurred as a result of the explosion.

        It was reported that the backpack with the IED was left by him in the dining room, the time of the explosion-change. Two options - a bader youth took root in Russia or a crazy paranoid lover of shooter-walkers went nuts.
        The second version doesn’t roll: the purchase of a gun and ammunition by the idle son of a single nursing mother? The first version is more likely.
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 17 October 2018 21: 13
          +4
          Two options - a bader youth took root in Russia or a crazy paranoid lover of shooter-walkers went nuts.


          From neutrality it is even very clear what forces are behind the attack.
          By the way: Have you already launched the railway through the Kerch bridge?
          1. SlavaS
            SlavaS 17 October 2018 21: 33
            +5
            Yes, and Putin at this time is negotiating with Egypt on the resumption of air service, which was stopped due to the blown up plane.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 17 October 2018 21: 49
            +5
            Quote: Yujanin
            By the way: Have you already launched the railway through the Kerch bridge?

            In December, the first composition will go.
          3. artifact
            artifact 17 October 2018 22: 09
            +4
            Quote: Yujanin
            Two options - a bader youth took root in Russia or a crazy paranoid lover of shooter-walkers went nuts.


            From neutrality it is even very clear what forces are behind the attack.
            By the way: Have you already launched the railway through the Kerch bridge?

            enlighten. about the forces ....
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 18 October 2018 03: 30
              +1
              enlighten. about the forces ....

              Is it not obvious which side is profitable to create chaos in the way of the vital Kerch artery?
          4. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 16
            +1
            Quote: Yujanin
            Two options - a bader youth took root in Russia or a crazy paranoid lover of shooter-walkers went nuts.

            By the way: Have you already launched the railway through the Kerch bridge?

            By the way, you are well aware that the plans for launching train connections are scheduled for December, 2019, why troll?
            By the way: is Nagorno-Karabakh already under Azerbaijani jurisdiction?
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 18 October 2018 03: 44
              +2
              By the way, you are well aware that the plans for launching train connections are scheduled for December, 2019, why troll?


              Sergey, I advise you to carefully read my comments. In this case, it’s clear to the hedgehog that the Russian Federation is carrying out large-scale social projects in the Kerch Strait, and only the enemies may be interested in the riots in this section of the site.
    2. Law abiding citizen
      Law abiding citizen 17 October 2018 20: 51
      +8
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Although it’s completely unlike the actions of a loner

      Why? Remember Breivik ...
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 00
        +13
        Quote: Law abiding Citizen
        Quote: stock buildbat
        Although it’s completely unlike the actions of a loner

        Why? Remember Breivik ...

        he was an adult man with an emerging psyche. and this is a kid
        and yet, he killed more than one hour on the island. walked and shot. it hasn’t had so much time
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 17 October 2018 21: 16
          +7
          In addition, Breivik did not shoot a bullet in the forehead.
      2. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 17 October 2018 21: 01
        +22
        Breivik, ostensibly on racial grounds, moved. And he was a bit older, too. And then the 18-year-old "victim of love" makes a couple of IEDs, takes more spare rounds and goes to shoot. Well, isn't it nonsense?
        "Lovers" are impulsive creatures and are simply incapable of planning the mass murder of strangers.
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 17 October 2018 21: 25
          +8
          Breivik allegedly racially motivated.

          All right. Breivik had a motive, and in this crime there is no motivation, which indirectly indicates a terrorist attack.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 20
            -1
            Quote: Yujanin
            Breivik allegedly racially motivated.

            All right. Breivik had a motive, and in this crime there is no motivation, which indirectly indicates a terrorist attack.

            Those. all killings with firearms and IEDs are terrorist attacks? How many terrorist attacks did we have in the 90s then, especially during the "arrows" and "raider seizures"?
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 18 October 2018 00: 17
              +2
              And what, at the "arrows" and "raider seizures" they killed strangers and non-wine people in a certain number?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 18 October 2018 00: 21
                +1
                Quote: Yujanin
                And what, at the "arrows" and "raider seizures" they killed strangers and non-wine people in a certain number?

                And what not?
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 00: 34
                0
                Quote: Yujanin
                killed outsiders and non-wine people in the nth number?

                even more often than shooting in schools. and there were more victims
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 18 October 2018 04: 06
                  +3
                  In other words, you do not see the difference between political terrorism and felony ?! Then I will explain to you!
                  Terrorists seek to intimidate society, change the political system, domestic policy, and more, while criminals do not seek radical changes in society, but instead try to attract attention and not violate the foundations of the society within which crimes are committed. Terrorists seek to strike a blow at the system, and criminals to rob. In addition, the terrorist act aims to stir up society with cruelty, insolence in order to become a kind of means of communication between terrorists and the authorities, a means of influencing the authorities. Therefore, the terrorists not only do not hide their involvement in the crime, as criminals do, but they advertise it in every way.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 18 October 2018 04: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Yujanin
                    Terrorists seek to intimidate society, change the political system, domestic politics and more,

                    this jerk decided to change the political system ??? he told you about it ????? that’s why you take all this ????
                    Terrorists strive to strike the system

                    what blow did he hit the system ???
                    Therefore, the terrorists not only do not hide their involvement in the crime, as criminals do, but they advertise it in every way.

                    terrorists do not commit suicide without putting forward their slogans
                    what terrorist is he ??? yelled snot, and that blew the roof. how do you like this?
                    Using panic, he went up to the second floor, where, among others, he targeted the head teacher and one of the teachers, searching for them in the study.

                    terror against certain people ???
                    1. Yujanin
                      Yujanin 18 October 2018 04: 58
                      +1
                      this jerk decided to change the political system ??? he told you about it ????? that’s why you take all this ????

                      So, after all, terrorists often themselves attract criminals and intruders to operations. Is it not clear that
                      He is rather a distracting maneuver and put on the false trail of operas. Allegedly, just went nuts and shot everyone. But in fact, the explosions were the main target.
                      Surg Yesterday, 22:03

                      what blow did he hit the system ???

                      This is most likely one of the next blows. And before that there was a fatal explosion in a famous restaurant
                      terrorists do not commit suicide without putting forward their slogans
                      what terrorist is he ???

                      Of course, his plans did not include self-destruction at such an early age. They just helped him. In addition, there is no need for a slogan. The terrorist act speaks for itself ... without subtext.

                      Using panic, he went up to the second floor, where, among others, he targeted the head teacher and one of the teachers, searching for them in the study.

                      terror against certain people ???


                      You can combine the useful with the pleasant.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: Yujanin
                        He is rather a distracting maneuver and put on the false trail of operas. Allegedly, just went nuts and shot everyone. But in fact, the explosions were the main target.

                        what operas ???? where are they from ???? what a distracting maneuver? he is already killing, why then blow up ????
                      2. Yujanin
                        Yujanin 18 October 2018 05: 19
                        +1
                        what operas ???? where are they from ????

                        ..operators who will do business.
                        It looks like we are communicating on different waves.
                      3. LSA57
                        LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 26
                        -2
                        Quote: Yujanin
                        .operators who will do business.

                        rzhunemagu laughing
                        yes, then what difference does it make in what sequence people were killed ???
                        especially opera, they don’t conduct an investigation laughing learn materiel laughing
                2. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 18 October 2018 04: 31
                  0
                  even more often than shooting in schools. and there were more victims

                  Nevertheless, the switchmen had motivation in the form of profit, and the criminal from college did not have it. You must admit that he didn’t shoot in the building to steal cylinders from gas welding.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 18 October 2018 04: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: Yujanin
                    and the college criminal didn't have her.

                    was. revenge!!!!
                    unrequited love !!!!
                    a dozen more to name ????
                    1. Yujanin
                      Yujanin 18 October 2018 05: 06
                      0
                      was. revenge!!!!
                      unrequited love !!!!
                      a dozen more to name ????

                      Grandmothers on the bench told?
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Yujanin
                        Grandmothers on the bench told?

                        and who told you that he had no motivation ???
              3. aiden
                aiden 18 October 2018 01: 38
                +2
                A friend of her father who returned from work was killed during a showdown. Your stupid trolling is not appropriate here
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 18 October 2018 04: 57
            -1
            Quote: Yujanin
            and in this crime there is no motivation,

            Well, how do you know about motivation ????? some fantasies issued as facts !!!!
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin 18 October 2018 05: 11
              +1
              Well, how do you know about motivation ?????

              Well, not everyone believes that the Sun is a satellite of the Earth.
              some fantasies issued as facts !!!!

              That’s exactly what you are fantasizing, and my guesses coincide with the official statement about terrorist attack
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 18
                -2
                Quote: Yujanin
                Well, not everyone believes that the Sun is a satellite of the Earth.

                Well, even so, their fantasies are given out as truth.
                prove that he had no motive
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 28
                -1
                Quote: Yujanin
                and my guess is consistent with the official statement about the attack

                and where did you come from so stubborn ...
                the case was brought under the murder of 2 or more people. I advise once again, learn the materiel
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 18 October 2018 05: 34
                  0
                  and where did you come from so stubborn ...

                  Everything is clear with you! hi
                  case filed under article murder 2 or more people. I advise once again, learn the materiel


                  SK: a criminal case on the fact of the explosion in the Kerch college opened on the article about the attack

                  https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/5684693
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Yujanin
                    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/5684693

                    look time
                    OCT 17, 14:22 p.m. Updated 14:27 p.m.

                    he was then retrained
                    1. Yujanin
                      Yujanin 18 October 2018 05: 44
                      0
                      he was then retrained

                      I just got acquainted with the update now. Accordingly, my guesses were wrong. hi
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 18 October 2018 05: 49
                        0
                        yes it happens to everyone hi
      3. Letun
        Letun 17 October 2018 21: 05
        +9
        Quote: Law Abiding Citizen
        Why? Remember Breivik ...

        Well, Breivik at the time of the commission of his crime was much more fearsome, and served in the Army. He wrote some kind of political works. Those. was an ideological person, let’s say, with experience. And this is 18 years old. Yes, at 18 you can be ideological, but you won’t have enough time to earn much experience at this age.
        1. Law abiding citizen
          Law abiding citizen 17 October 2018 21: 19
          +5
          I don’t agree, I’m already in high school, I dare saynot bad at all from the "Saiga" could already shoot on the hunt with the men on a par.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 17 October 2018 21: 28
            +15
            And to assemble and install several slow-motion IEDs or with remote fuses? And put them into action against anyone? And could they also start shooting (aiming) by synchronizing it with the explosions?
            Supplement: shooting at familiar people. ALL. Indiscriminately. This is not revenge, not jealousy, this is a terrorist attack.
            1. Law abiding citizen
              Law abiding citizen 17 October 2018 21: 35
              +6
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              0
              And to assemble and install several IEDs with delayed action or with remote fuses? And bring them into action?

              Well, yes, Ivan ....... Or he is very smart, or ....... hi
            2. alexxxxz
              alexxxxz 18 October 2018 10: 42
              +1
              I warmly support the previous speaker! All facts speak for it.
              Well, let's say he had a motive for killing revenge. He came and shot the people he hated. Everything is clear here. It doesn’t excite, besides the fact that you have to be an undiagnosed complete psycho in order to do this. But to make IEDs, to lay it in a crowded place and to make remote detonation ... There is no revenge. There is a clear intention of causing great harm and multiple casualties. Moreover, if this IED was equipped with striking elements! The manufacture of such a VCA, also, does not seem to me personally a simple matter. In addition to the fact that it was necessary to surf the Internet to obtain information on the manufacture of explosives in artisanal conditions, it was also necessary where to engage in the manufacture itself, and this, excuse me, is not to brew tea. Those. the motives, in fact, are not yet known. The fact that he killed the head teacher and one of the teachers still does not mean anything. This could be done in passing. Also, eyewitnesses received information about a series of explosions in different parts of the building and firing in automatic mode. I doubt something that he made a machine gun from the pump-action machine himself. Thus .... But who and why, I am afraid, will never know.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 45
            +2
            Quote: Law Abiding Citizen
            not bad at all with the "Saiga" could have fired on the hunt with men on a par.

            and what kind of hunting could it be and where?
            especially a gun a week before this bought
            1. Law abiding citizen
              Law abiding citizen 17 October 2018 21: 48
              +5
              Well, I don’t know, men, I, like all of us here, just wonder and express my opinion, but how it really was ... There is a dark story, maybe it will become clear in time ...
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 October 2018 21: 18
      +19
      First of all, my condolences to family and friends. It is scary when young people die.
      And there really are more questions than answers.
      Was there a college guard? It is impossible to carry 12 cal in the tube. Assume that he removed the butt first, and then assembled it?
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And what did he shoot? Bullets, buckshot, shot? This is how to hammer with a canister from the 12 caliber - it's like that from PP 9x18mm in short bursts.

      I have 12 cal. foreign car, 7 - shop + 1 barrel, 6 buckshot at close range - a killer thing. Reload time 1 min, even if there are cartridges in your pocket.
      The second issue is explosions, with explosives with serious fillings. Did you make explosives yourself? It is doubtful. Then this is no longer a student, but a ready-made cold-blooded killer, and all his actions resemble a prepared action.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 04
        +1
        he could carry weapons the day before
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 22
          +1
          Quote: dr.star75
          he could carry weapons the day before

          Witnesses saw him in front of the school some time before the shooting ...
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 17 October 2018 23: 38
            -1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: dr.star75
            he could carry weapons the day before

            Witnesses saw him in front of the school some time before the shooting ...

            Yes, and there is a photo.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 39
              0
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: dr.star75
              he could carry weapons the day before

              Witnesses saw him in front of the school some time before the shooting ...

              Yes, and there is a photo.

              Whom photo, I read about it in the internet ...
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 17 October 2018 23: 50
                -1
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Who is the photo, I read about it in the internet

                a photo of him walking down the stairs with a gun. showed on tv
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: LSA57
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Who is the photo, I read about it in the internet

                  a photo of him walking down the stairs with a gun. showed on tv

                  I am a "zombie box" afraid to watch ....
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 18 October 2018 00: 01
                    -1
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    I am a "zombie box" afraid to look.

                    I watch exclusively the news.
                    in the morning and in the evening
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 18 October 2018 00: 03
                      0
                      Quote: LSA57
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      I am a "zombie box" afraid to look.

                      I watch exclusively the news.
                      in the morning and in the evening

                      Kiseleva, you look at the hair, I start to move, and then these footballers, mochilovo in Kerch ...
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 18 October 2018 00: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        Kiseleva, you look at the hair, I start to move, and then these footballers, mochilovo in Kerch ..

                        I don’t look at Kisilev at all. morning 1 channel. NTV evening. and even that is mainly international
    4. nznz
      nznz 17 October 2018 22: 06
      -1
      buckshot wouldn’t kill so many, would be wounded, but fewer would be killed ..
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 17 October 2018 22: 29
        +3
        Quote: nznz
        0
        buckshot wouldn’t kill so many, would be wounded, but fewer would be killed ..

        It depends on where the shot was directed, down — many wounded, up at the level of the heads — many killed.
  3. rotfuks
    rotfuks 17 October 2018 20: 48
    +21
    Any weapon requires reloading. Even automatic. Even a pump action hunting rifle. There was an explosion, the people were on their guard and began to scatter. To kill 19 people from a hunting rifle to one shooter is simply not possible. Reloading, aiming, no one is waiting for when they shoot him. Again, at this rate of fire and inexperience of the shooter, jamming of the cartridge is possible. In the USA they kill in such cases because there is an automatic military weapon. And to kill their hunting rifles to so many people is unrealistic.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 17 October 2018 20: 57
      +12
      Have you ever fired a shotgun? Let's take the "police" version of the buckshot cartridge. 9 buckshot, each of which can easily kill. At a distance of 10-15 meters, shooting at the running crowd is unrealistic to miss.
      1. nznz
        nznz 17 October 2018 22: 10
        +2
        Well, I shot, and that you confuse the notion of getting and killing. It’s easy to kill, it means getting to a point such that it will cause death; aiming in every one always and not at milestones will come out. meters, I flocked a herd of two trunks (a sitting flock of 20 tractor units of 2 geese) almost at a time, I thought I would pull it now, I wouldn’t tear myself. It’s like there wasn’t so much production. I was weak 30 better .. but as it was written
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 October 2018 23: 41
          +2
          Quote: nznz
          Well, I shot, and what-you confuse the notion of-get and kill
          Let's estimate: the Nagan bullet has an energy of about 270 joules, the energy of a buckshot is about the same, not less.
          At 20 m, a talus of 0,5 m is approximately, if a crowd is running - 1-2 people receive at least 2-3 buckshot, because the crowd runs, in cramped conditions, without "gaps".
          Those. shooting at people with buckshot is more effective than from a pistol.
          Geese, even in a flock, fly sparsely, with a "spot" filling less than 5%. Try to hit.
          If you shot a bullet - it's generally tin: every hit is a corpse, almost anywhere.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 October 2018 20: 58
      +9
      And who said that the shooter is not prepared? Plus, if there really was a buckshot, any hit is heavy blood loss, especially against the background of shock and fragmentation wounds from IEDs.
  4. K-612-O
    K-612-O 17 October 2018 20: 53
    +23
    I agree with the author. According to available information, the process was clearly planned and very technologically advanced, it worked very clearly, the explosion was in a very crowded place, the shooting was most likely conducted point-blank after the explosion. It seems that the robot acted, executed the program and self-destructed. And look for the ends and strings from it. A lot of time will pass and the likely organizers too.
  5. mvd ru
    mvd ru 17 October 2018 20: 54
    +4
    A lot of all sorts of "misunderstandings" on federal channels all as one about the watchman's grandmother, and eyewitnesses posted a video of how the police take a man's guard out of the building http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-10-17/video-policiya-vyvela-ohrannika- iz-kerchenskogo-kolledzha
    1. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 17 October 2018 21: 43
      +8
      Yes bastard bastard, is this old guard a guard? Yes, he will not be able to stop an unarmed 16-year-old boy; any little one will pass through the kumpole and that’s it. Yes, in principle, even if I am young, athletic, what can I oppose to an armed man? I don’t blame him, the guy is studying at this educational institution if he starts checking each student’s bag. There will be no time for lessons, his job is to check strangers. So he would have time for a reaction to neutralize the attacker before he gets the weapon out bags. But big, but if he was armed (security guard), he was obliged to run to the sounds of gunfire and neutralize the psycho. Professional security guards are needed at educational institutions, and not the school guards, from former military, retired police and ARMED. Ideally, of course, young, healthy, at least urgent, mentally adequate and not losers. I understand that no one dreams of becoming a guard in his youth, more like a policeman, a military man. And if you pay normally? At the age of at least 20 years, an annual checkup with a psychiatrist, narcologist, I notice not a certificate but a CHECK, a health check. Physical training fees every week, knowledge of the law on the use of force, fire knowledge, knowledge of first aid. Azerbaijan has private security offices which they work like that, but they usually protect foreigners and the elite, but they pay shitty. You need to put such guards on the stream, there are not enough brains to study, the choice is to protect schools. The state should help, there will not be enough police for all schools around the clock, and not one in a shift there are several, and on each floor, plus video cameras. And discipline will increase schoolchildren, students will not offend the weak and then there will be no psychos offended by the world.
      Condolences to the families of the dead, recovery to the wounded.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 17 October 2018 22: 31
        +1
        Lek3338 (Lek) hi .
        Professional security guards are needed at educational institutions, and not the guards of desks, from former military, retired police and ARMED. Ideally, of course, young, healthy, who have served at least urgent, mentally adequate and not losers
        This is all right. But in the color of recent events in the country, where can I find one !? Or rather millions where to put the rest ??! Full paragraph!
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 36
        0
        Quote: Lek3338
        But big, but if he was armed (security guard), he was obliged to run to the sounds of gunfire and neutralize the psycho.

        Where did you read it that you must (confused with the Law "On the Police")?
        Article 16 Law of the Russian Federation of 11.03.1992 N 2487-1 (as amended on 05.12.2017) "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation"
        In the course of private security activities permitted use physical force, special means and firearms only in cases and in the manner prescribed by this Law ...............

        Security guard using physical force, special equipment or firearms must: .................

        Respectively the guard has responsibilities only when applying him physical strength, special means or firearms ...
        The law does not oblige him to apply all of the above ....
        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_385/
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 17 October 2018 23: 48
          +5
          I don’t know the laws of the Russian Federation (not a citizen of the Russian Federation). I wrote this for a moral and ethical reason, if I were a guard and if I had an attack by an armed bastard (s) at an educational institution in which young children are killed. And having official weapons, I would intervene and I’d try to render it harmless. Then I’ll live my whole life with it, I don’t see any other way, despite the laws. Purely human
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 17 October 2018 23: 54
            0
            Quote: Lek3338
            I don’t know the laws of the Russian Federation (not a citizen of the Russian Federation). I wrote this for a moral and ethical reason, if I were a guard and if I had an attack by an armed bastard (s) at an educational institution in which young children are killed. And having official weapons, I would intervene and I’d try to render it harmless. Then I’ll live my whole life with it, I don’t see any other way, despite the laws. Purely human

            That is true. Soviet people. I am not a psychologist and not an FSB investigator, but it seems to me that they shot and blew one, and shot another, most likely the main characters left the school with the students in the guise, and the police did not cordon off the area and did not organize onlookers filtering (in t. hours of observers) and students (including killers), gunpowder from the hands and bruises from the forearm can not be hidden ...
            I express my condolences to all residents of the hero city of Kerch from residents of the hero city of Moscow. Someone will answer for this.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 18 October 2018 00: 04
              -1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              and the police did not cordon off the area and did not organize a filter of onlookers (including observers) and students (including killers),

              so people in a panic fled before the arrival of the police
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 18 October 2018 00: 20
            +1
            Quote: Lek3338
            And having a service weapon

            but why did you get that the security guard from the private security company has weapons ???? at best a baton. Well, maybe a spray can of gas
            1. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 18 October 2018 00: 24
              0
              Therefore, I do not blame him!
      3. Retvizan 8
        Retvizan 8 18 October 2018 06: 50
        0
        Sorry, but can you imagine the scale of the security structures you are offering?
        Put in every school, physically developed, trained guard, also armed?
        You understand that this can go very far! Then it is necessary to put armed guards in kindergartens, hospitals, institutes, shopping centers, and so on.
        This is called "martial law" and it is not real.
        And yet, ChOPovets does not really have any real rights to use weapons, such protection must be given the rights of a policeman.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2018 20: 56
    +20
    Kerch There are more questions than answers.
    That's exactly more questions than answers .. As it was reported, his single mother received a salary of 10 rubles a month. Isn't this the main answer? And everything connected with this. And anything can be weaved and intricacies, but the stumbling block in this. I'm figuratively of course. But 000 rubles a month as a sentence. It's crazy to write all this. And a lump in the throat. The kids themselves have this and a little younger age. But let's throw emotions. I do not know whether I am right or wrong now. But I had a firm conviction that the events of recent times will lead the country to exactly this scenario. Eerie and bloody. When people have nothing to lose. Many will say "yes, this is crazy." And if not a nutcase? And if this is the answer for "makoaroshki" started !!? This is not Russia with the war in Chechnya. This is a new reality. What's next?
    1. Law abiding citizen
      Law abiding citizen 17 October 2018 21: 01
      +11
      Columbine ... We still have an old school, we can still put our emotions in one place, but the youth, I see, are completely without moral brakes now ...
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 17 October 2018 21: 13
        +20
        Law abiding citizen
        Columbine ... We still have an old school, we can still put our emotions in one place, but the youth, I see, are completely without moral brakes now ...
        Well, how did everyone want to ?! When is mother !!! He gets a salary of 10000 rubles. What is this at all? What is smart to say to such guys? !! ​​Maximum to bring together portraits of great-grandfathers ??? And after the Victory Parade, some will sit in the car and go on a picnic. And others will go to the kitchen of the soup with macaroni to chow ?! We want to unite the nation with this ?! Does anyone believe in this? Brad. The maximum is enough for a few years. And then? This wait, it was not the turn of those who were forced to die instead of a pension at work.
        1. Dersturm
          Dersturm 17 October 2018 21: 18
          +8
          To you to voice my salary ??? Or a doctor’s salary of 404 ?? Cho then there is no mass shooting in schools ...
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 17 October 2018 21: 37
            +14
            Dersturm (Alexey) hi
            To you to voice my salary ??? Or a doctor’s salary of 404 ?? Cho then there is no mass shooting in schools ...
            You have something to strive for, to go at least somewhere. To the West. To the East. We have nowhere to strive. No matter how hard our authorities try .. And we don’t want to. For we are at home. The Russians are very, very difficult to lift. I ask you to be understanding to every word of mine. This is a true fact.
          2. alexxxxz
            alexxxxz 18 October 2018 10: 53
            0
            Not yet evening. With this ATO, the uncontrolled proliferation of weapons and ammunition is an urgent fact. It's just that this bitter fruit has not yet ripened. Just not mature!
        2. nznz
          nznz 17 October 2018 22: 17
          +8
          To kill others who are not guilty of this salary, did you yourself understand what kind of nonsense you wrote? There is no connection and motive — or religious — accentuated by senior comrades (mentors) or revenge for the murdered relative in the ATO — or pathological hatred hidden to the Russians.
          As usual, until the roasted rooster in the ass the peasant does not baptize — that is, the government was well-pleased — hurray our Crimea, Russia will help — but what you need to work for yourself and not wait for a kick from above or such horror, you would have to understand. Now they’ll do what is necessary - I’d check - the money is probably out of our habit of stolen money, but I didn’t have enough frames for schools.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 17 October 2018 22: 35
            -2
            nznz (Igor)
            To kill others not guilty of this salary, you yourself then realized what kind of nonsense they wrote?
            And, you didn’t read what you need. Well, and then naturally wrote.
            Now they will do what is necessary - I would check - money is possible by the habit of our stolen money, but I didn’t have enough frames for schools.
            Yes. Drive through the desert for about 100 years at least
          2. alexxxxz
            alexxxxz 18 October 2018 10: 56
            0
            All these frameworks - hat hat! Look at St. Petersburg at the entrance to each metro station, these are. And what's the point? They ring without stopping because everyone has at least a phone in their pocket and an umbrella in their bag. You won’t inspect everyone! So they all stand - pure in sight!
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 October 2018 21: 48
        +4
        Quote: Law Abiding Citizen
        youth, I look, completely without moral brakes now ...

        Not all, of course, but the number of undershots that have become sober from permissiveness and their own viciousness really scales. Multiply all this by crazy streams of information pouring on fragile brains ... Here (judging, at least by this resource) adult uncles really break down the tower, and what, to speak of an 18-year-old puppy. Here is the result - the blood and death of people (the shooter does not count). And do not prematurely cast a shadow on the wattle fence. And even conspirologists-shatters already pulled themselves up, and the versions went conveyor.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 October 2018 21: 05
      +14
      Yeah, with a salary of 10000 to buy a pump-action shotgun, bk to it, components of explosives? It's not so simple. Very muddy. And on the student’s recording on the cache, one trunk is clearly audible.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 17 October 2018 21: 24
        +4
        K-612-O (Andrey
        Yeah, with a salary of 10000 to buy a pump-action shotgun, bk to it, components of explosives? It's not so simple. Very muddy. And on the student’s recording on the cache, one trunk is clearly audible.
        Andrey do not cling to the news to "can buy" Of course he cannot. because it cannot!? This all happened.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 17 October 2018 21: 38
          +5
          So, rather than a cheap gun, where did the powerful explosives come from?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 09
            +2
            a second-hand rifle can be bought for a maximum of 10 tons, or cheaper
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 17 October 2018 23: 49
      -4
      Quote: Observer2014
      As his single mother reportedly received a salary of 10 rubles a month. Isn't this the main answer?

      Quote: famous phrase
      There is no money, but you hold on.
      I could not resist.
  7. Egor53
    Egor53 17 October 2018 20: 57
    +18
    “The alleged killer was found on the floor in the college library. He reportedly committed suicide.” Well, yes, two shots in the back of the head.
    Why do we hang noodles on our ears?
    19 killed with gunshot wounds is not less than 38 shots. No 12-gauge pump-action shotgun can do that - it will jam. An 18-year-old boy is not capable of making an explosive device that goes off at the right time. This is a terrorist attack !!! Someone is behind. And this "someone" must answer for it!
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 October 2018 21: 10
      +5
      And where did you see two shots in the back of the head? In this case, the floor of the head should have been demolished, even from a pistol. And why not capable, if you work with him for several years? Remember Chechens with belts, there, too, they didn’t make ingenious sappers of IEDs, and the St. Petersburg metro is probably over 20 with a small guy capable of making a bomb.
      1. Egor53
        Egor53 17 October 2018 21: 57
        +13
        On the 1st channel, they showed a photo of a lying terrorist, for some reason the frontal part of the head is covered with an invisibility grid. The head is whole. A corpse lies on its right side, a gun on top. There is blood on the sides, and not much at all. From a 12-gauge shot and at point blank range, there would have been much more blood.
        When shot in the head at point-blank, 12 gauge, the head would be smashed to pieces. At the same time, the corpse lies in a white T-shirt, and in the frames where he is walking up the stairs with a pump-action shotgun, he is in black. Therefore, I say, about 2 shots in the back of the head, but not from a pump-action shotgun. 2 shots in the back of the head - it is figuratively said.
        There was no suicide there - for me it is obvious. This is a terrorist attack in which this boy was a pawn. The question is who organized this attack, and how should be responsible for it. Do not write this off alone. Behind the attack are many people, and even organizations.
        1. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 17 October 2018 22: 11
          +1
          Egor! Well, in general, it is logical to bring, intelligibly ...
          Sorry, got excited in the previous post.
          1. Egor53
            Egor53 17 October 2018 23: 58
            +1
            I’m not offended, Vasya. But I got used to getting excited in my life - already old. And the situation with this terrorist attack is terrible. Not even because of what happened, although this is a nightmare (I’ve seen enough of death much more than even for my age), but what else will it result in.
      2. nznz
        nznz 17 October 2018 22: 20
        0
        terrorists have clearly divided responsibilities — bombs and IEDs make specially trained people simpler and less risk of assembly errors. But someone else had to cook it all, well, I don’t believe it alone, the guy was charged to the brain, hero, Glory to Ukraine and tp, and then they helped, even snipers from the neighboring shelters. And they themselves nailed the ends into the water.
    2. Compasure
      Compasure 17 October 2018 21: 19
      +12
      - this is not less than 38 shots. No 12-gauge pump-action shotgun is capable of this — it will jam.


      Have you ever fired a pump-action shotgun? What kind of nonsense will "jam", what will jam there?
      1. 2329 Carpenter
        2329 Carpenter 17 October 2018 22: 06
        +2
        Yes, what he shot there ...
        He had already examined the corpse ...
        Exclamation marks set.
        From the lack of fantasies will not die.
      2. Egor53
        Egor53 17 October 2018 22: 18
        -1
        I fired from a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, and more than once. A wild boar is a year-old (and this is 40-45 kg. Weight), not every time you put one shot, and this is when he, the gilt, is alone. And for running people, and even hiding behind tables and chairs, for one hit you need at least 2 shots, even for a very good shooter. I do not think that an 18-year-old boy has much more experience with a pump-action shotgun than mine.
        More than 5 consecutive shots of a pump-action shotgun I didn’t do. But even after 5 consecutive shots, the barrel of the gun is already quite hot. After 10 shots, you can’t take the barrel with your bare hand. And I didn’t notice the gloves in the hands of this terrorist on the channels provided on Channel 1.
        During the 1st and 2nd World Wars, pump-action smooth-bore shotguns with a buckshot charge were called "trench broom", they worked more efficiently than rifled weapons. According to the instructions, it was not recommended to make more than 1 shots without cooling the weapon. I will not give a link, sorry.
        If you have a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, then try to make 38 shots of it in a row. I doubt that you will succeed.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 50
          +4
          I have great doubts about the fact that you shot from a gun in general and from a pump in particular, most likely you did not even see them in the picture, otherwise you would not have written this nonsense! and you won’t give a link to the fact that you can’t take more than 10 shots from a gun, since they are not and cannot be! Yes, and the weapon is held by the forearm, not by the barrel. Yes, and find in YouTube a video of how an American kills Kalash and count how many stores he shot before jamming
          1. Egor53
            Egor53 17 October 2018 23: 47
            +1
            Your doubts Michael are inappropriate. I have had hunting experience since 1972. I then took a bear (Kamchatka 200) in Kamchatka, in a valley of geysers, I was there on an expedition, I was 18 years old then. I rarely shoot from a pump action. I have a smooth-bore 12-gauge Marochchi; from it I shot wild boars of yearlings and wintering, and in the feather too. Of rifled saigas 7,62x39, short-barreled, custom-made, Izhevsk, invested in 1 minute, and Orsis 243 Hunter. Edgan 5,5 is also very good at black grouse, hazel grouse with a whistle and pigeons, and it works well for sedentary ducks. With a ballistic calculator is familiar. A record shot from Edgan at a distance of 132 m in the crow. From Orsis at 100 m. I fit in half a minute, though in a dash. I’m not God knows which shooter, but I know a little about weapons. It was possible to shoot from Dragunka and even from Vintorez.
            When I write about weapons, I know what I'm talking about.
            In the defense industry I had a chance to work, even in my youthful years.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 17 October 2018 23: 52
              +3
              Then re-read and then rewrite your comment from 22-18. And then it feels like someone else wrote it, and not the owner of everything that you list! hi
        2. aiden
          aiden 18 October 2018 02: 02
          0
          The glove on his right hand, with which he pulled the trigger. Yes, and he has a bicycle there.
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 17 October 2018 22: 18
      +9
      Quote: Egor53
      No pump-action shotgun of the 12 caliber is capable of this - it will jam.

      Have you fired a buckshot with 12 caliber? Well, with meters 15-20? In a closed room? In the crowd? Not, No. Well then, where did you get such knowledge
      Quote: Egor53
      19 killed with gunshot wounds - this is not less than 38 shots.

      Let's continue, - Roslyakov used the Turkish Hatsan Escort 12 caliber pump action shotgun. Here it is,
      There is no detachable store for pumping stations, which can be quickly replaced - for a terrorist attack is not the best choice. Hatsan Escort can only be loaded with 8 cartridges - one in the barrel, another 7 are located in the container under the barrel. That is precisely why a shooter cannot conduct continuous fire from such a gun. Before shooting regular 7 rounds of ammunition, he will have to spend reloading weapons from 4 to 10 seconds. This depends on the skill of the shooter. Jamming for pump pumps is nonsense. Since the only reason he might not throw away a sleeve is a sleeve with a low skirt. But even in this case, vigorously enough to twist the shutter to throw the jammed cartridge or cartridge case and continue shooting further. Therefore, let's not pull the owl on the globe, but wait for the results of the investigation. And yes, and another nuance - he chose the AimGuard model, which has a pistol grip and a small barrel instead of a stock. Do not tell me why? winked I tell you, this is one of the shortest pump-drivers in the Hatsan line, it could be carried without problems in the package.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 54
        +2
        That's just the pump and can provide long continuous shooting, unlike the store ones. The pump can be recharged constantly, but to charge the store, it takes time and a break in shooting
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 17 October 2018 23: 03
          0
          Quote: dr.star75
          The pump can be recharged continuously

          This is provided that there is time for this. To reload seven rounds in total, it will take the same time as to reload the store. And again, it is necessary to have a certain skill, when a frantic shooting is unlikely, an inexperienced shooter will count the number of shots fired.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 October 2018 23: 06
            +4
            The pump can be recharged CONSTANTLY! without waiting for the rounds to end in the grenade launcher! this is his big plus.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 18 October 2018 01: 10
              -1
              Quote: dr.star75
              The pump can be recharged CONSTANTLY! without waiting for the rounds to end in the grenade launcher! this is his big plus.

              Tried to do this, firing intensively in a constantly changing target environment?
  8. LSA57
    LSA57 17 October 2018 20: 58
    +5
    Oh, how ends meet do not converge.
    or according to our tradition, the main thing is to report. nothing is clear, the investigation did not really begin, and the lone killer has already been appointed. all shots and videos clearly show signs of an explosion. then it’s not at all clear how he rushed in and shot at the same time
    generally a hedgehog in the fog
    1. Stils
      Stils 17 October 2018 21: 47
      +3
      And who will put everything on the table now?
  9. Flatter
    Flatter 17 October 2018 20: 59
    +5
    Quickly turned into a lone killer, outlining a circle. Analogies are bad.
    1. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 17 October 2018 22: 15
      +2
      What a sacred place is a library.
      Lee Harvey O., Columbine, this nameless one so far.
  10. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 17 October 2018 21: 05
    +8
    Information is contradictory on all sides ... One thing is clear. that if a terrorist attack was prepared and tried to disguise, it’s difficult to come up with a better version of a lone killer ...
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 11
      +1
      Quote: 30 vis
      One thing is clear. that if a terrorist attack was prepared and tried to disguise, then it’s difficult to come up with a better version of a lone killer ..

      so already tested. It worked. Lee Harvey Oswald
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 October 2018 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: LSA57
        so already tested. It worked. Lee Harvey Oswald

        Quote: LSA57
        so already tested. It worked. Lee Harvey Oswald

        Not okay. He did not shoot at all. Three bullets hit Kennedy from two positions on the ground, and not from the 6th floor.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 17 October 2018 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: Balu
          Not okay. He didn’t shoot at all

          I am not talking about that. I'm about the principle of a lone killer
          shot did not shoot no matter. People drove into the head that he is a loner and that’s it
        2. 2329 Carpenter
          2329 Carpenter 17 October 2018 22: 17
          0
          Rolls. The official version is one. There will be no other officialdom.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 October 2018 22: 27
            +1
            18-year-old Vladislav R., a suspect in a terrorist attack at the Kerch College, received permission for a 12-gauge gun a month before the incident, and a few days ago he acquired 150 rounds of ammunition



            Carpenter 2329 (Vasya) Today, 22:17
            0
            Rolls. The official version is one. There will be no other officialdom.

            Doesn’t roll-where does the nurse’s idle son and living in a rented apartment get money from?
            In any case, remove the investigation team and punish those involved in this monstrous crime, including those who so hastily issued permission for the gun.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 17 October 2018 22: 52
              0
              Quote: Balu
              18-year-old Vladislav R., a suspect in a terrorist attack at the Kerch College, received permission for a 12-gauge gun a month before the incident, and a few days ago he acquired 150 rounds of ammunition



              Carpenter 2329 (Vasya) Today, 22:17
              0
              Rolls. The official version is one. There will be no other officialdom.

              Doesn’t roll-where does the nurse’s idle son and living in a rented apartment get money from?
              In any case, remove the investigation team and punish those involved in this monstrous crime, including those who so hastily issued permission for the gun.

              Yes, now young animals have more money than a working man. they will always find a handsome job. and not the fact that all the money is given to parents
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 56
              +2
              saved up money, received a scholarship, and could take a loan. shotgun - 10t. How quickly is it? But the law can get permission in 1 month
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 17 October 2018 23: 05
                +5
                Quote: dr.star75
                saved up money, received a scholarship, and could take a loan. shotgun - 10t. How quickly is it? But the law can get permission in 1 month

                New details: took a gun from a tube, blew up a backpack in the dining room, went up to the second floor, found the head teacher and teacher and killed them, opened all the cabinets and shot.
                Perhaps rooftops went, but the fact of purposeful preparation on the face. It is not clear with explosives.
            3. 2329 Carpenter
              2329 Carpenter 18 October 2018 21: 49
              -1
              Grandmother (grandfather) - beloved grandson - inheritance, real estate. Didn’t think about it?
          2. Egor53
            Egor53 18 October 2018 00: 00
            0
            I think that other "officialdom" will soon come out.
    2. Waddimm
      Waddimm 17 October 2018 21: 36
      +12
      A terrorist act is carried out to intimidate the population and blackmail the authorities. Terrorists do not disguise terrorist acts as simple murders, but rather try to achieve the highest possible publicity so that the expected effect is greatest.
      1. nznz
        nznz 17 October 2018 22: 24
        -1
        this is in the case of an open war, as in Syria or somewhere else. There is no war with Ukraine, that’s why they don’t take responsibility, yes, and how it will turn out to be terrorists, they’ll start rejecting all over the world, they killed the children .. that’s silent-level work. Of course, everything was prepared by the SBU (with mentors) and the date is close to the Nazi procession in Kiev .. somehow everything is strange.
        1. Waddimm
          Waddimm 18 October 2018 06: 35
          0
          And then what is the meaning of such a "secret" terrorist attack? What is the goal achieved?
          In the case of the head of the DPR, everything is clear, but here are children, teachers. Why SBU is this particular college?
    3. artifact
      artifact 17 October 2018 22: 32
      +3
      Quote: 30 vis
      Information is contradictory on all sides ... One thing is clear. that if a terrorist attack was prepared and tried to disguise, it’s difficult to come up with a better version of a lone killer ...

      and why the terrorist act to disguise something !? because then the meaning of the terrorist action is lost - FEAR.
  11. lucul
    lucul 17 October 2018 21: 05
    +9
    The plane was shot down in Syria - just before the press conference with Viktor Orban (Putin was in Hungary), now this terrorist attack is also before the press conference, but with the Egyptian president.
    Coincidence?
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 17 October 2018 23: 56
      +3
      Quote: lucul
      Coincidence?
      And how many press conferences do GDP have per week?
  12. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 17 October 2018 21: 08
    +11
    I don’t believe that he banged himself, most likely he was taken away by an accomplice, and, or the curator who prepared it, led, helped with the explosive devices, the group’s work was clearly on the face. Everything was planned here, and a small special operation was quickly carried out. I am sincerely condolencing about this terrible tragedy. It is too early to make conclusions, maybe our special services will find a real clue to know exactly how it was.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 October 2018 01: 13
      -1
      Quote: ANCIENT
      I don’t believe that he banged himself, most likely he was taken away by an accomplice, and, or the curator who prepared it, led, helped with the explosive devices, the group’s work was clearly on the face. Everything was planned here, and a small special operation was quickly carried out.

      IED could not be blown up by a student, it could be blown up remotely ...
  13. rotfuks
    rotfuks 17 October 2018 21: 08
    +7
    For the murder in Kerch College, 18-year-old Vladislav Roslyakov used a 12-gauge Turkish pump-action shotgun of the Hatsan Escort brand. He bought powerful cartridges with buckshot for a wolf for him. This was reported to "KP" by sources in law enforcement agencies. Such smoothbore guns cost about 15-16 thousand rubles in Crimea. They are not the cheapest: made using Italian technology. A detachable magazine is not provided for the pompoviks, which can be quickly replaced - not the best choice for a terrorist attack. Hatsan Escort can only be loaded with 8 rounds: one in the barrel, another 7 are in the container under the barrel. That is why a shooter cannot fire continuous fire from such a gun. Before firing the next 7 rounds, he will have to spend 4 to 10 seconds on reloading the weapon. Much depends on shooting training. But most likely it was not the student's ability to conduct aimed fire that led to mass casualties, but the use of powerful cartridges with buckshot in confined spaces. The fact that the student bought this gun not for sport shooting, and not for hunting is already obvious: he chose the AimGuard model, which has a pistol grip and a small barrel instead of a stock. This is one of the shortest pumps in the Hatsan range and is designed for self-defense.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 14
      +3
      Pumps are just very convenient for long-term shooting: unlike the store ones, you can recharge constantly. and for reloading uses muscle strength, the chances of jamming a weapon are minimal
  14. NEXUS
    NEXUS 17 October 2018 21: 09
    +14
    PS The alleged killer was found on the floor in the college library. It is reported that he committed suicide.

    Reasonable questions are asked by the author ... I think an 18-year-old boy who has not even passed the army can be put to a dull 19! Man is not able a priori.
    My opinion is that this guy was slaughtered by the group from the very beginning ... they put a pump in their hands, said: "shoot", they themselves put a bunch of people, and then, so that the ends are in the water, they eliminated this guy ...
    Who really did this, I hope very much, the investigation and the FSB will get to the bottom ... in any case, assumptions can be built as many as you like, but you need to wait for the results of the investigation.
    1. Compasure
      Compasure 17 October 2018 21: 17
      +3
      Forgot about the explosion
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 17 October 2018 21: 18
      +7
      Quote: NEXUS
      PS The alleged killer was found on the floor in the college library. It is reported that he committed suicide.

      Reasonable questions are asked by the author ... I think an 18-year-old boy who has not even passed the army can be put to a dull 19! Man is not able a priori.
      My opinion is that this guy was slaughtered by the group from the very beginning ... they put a pump in their hands, said: "shoot", they themselves put a bunch of people, and then, so that the ends are in the water, they eliminated this guy ...
      Who really did this, I hope very much, the investigation and the FSB will get to the bottom ... in any case, assumptions can be built as many as you like, but you need to wait for the results of the investigation.

      I adhere to the same version ..
    3. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 17 October 2018 22: 21
      +2
      Did the witnesses see the accomplices when they fired at the "heap of people"?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 17 October 2018 23: 01
        +5
        Yes, in the early hours there was at least one message from eyewitnesses about masked people.

        “At first there was an explosion in the dining room, and right after it people with machine guns started running out of the toilets. They had masks on their faces. It was impossible to understand what nationality they were. There were a lot of them, but I can’t say how many exactly. They shot at students and teachers - at everyone who came in their way, ”one of the college students told RT.

        hence
        https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2018/10/17/12024481.shtml
        ibid.
        There was one who had organized the slaughter in college, he prepared in advance, he had cartridges, and he prepared grenades in advance. This was stated by the head of Crimea Sergey Aksenov, adding that the shooter alone went to college without a mask and asked people not to believe the rumors.
  15. Compasure
    Compasure 17 October 2018 21: 13
    0
    How can you not regret the Iron Curtain ....

    PS Now in an interview, Aksyonov said 18 victims, because "19th is ub ..., not a victim"
  16. kefan
    kefan 17 October 2018 21: 20
    +4
    It’s not clear how it was possible to bring a gun, a bunch of rounds of ammunition and explosives to the school. Obviously, someone helped this partition, and our special services relaxed.
    1. Flatter
      Flatter 17 October 2018 21: 36
      +2
      Why carry a gun and a charge of explosives in a bag, when one explosive is enough for suicide.? Expected that shooting from a gun will not let anyone in a crowded place? Absolutely illogical situation.
  17. rotfuks
    rotfuks 17 October 2018 21: 20
    +12
    There is already a photo of the "shooter" who committed suicide. According to the official version, he shot himself in the head with this pump, but the consequences of the shot .... He shot himself in the head, which means that half of the skull had to be demolished with a "wolf buckshot" be splattered with blood. And in the photo there are no traces of blood and brains and the corpse of the shooter with a head wound on the left side. How can the arrow put the barrel to the left side of the head? From what you can see, it looks more like the aftermath of 5,45 or 9mm caliber. When fired at point-blank range, the pump does quite different damage with buckshot.
    1. artifact
      artifact 17 October 2018 23: 00
      +3
      at the expense of the gunshot:
      there may well be such an option - he was not going to kill himself. and sat on the floor with his back resting on the shelf, reloading his shotgun with his trunk up on the left elbow joint. and there was an accidental shot injuring the left side of the head. in this case, the blood from the shot should be on the ceiling. the damage is not visible in the photo, maybe there’s no head
      pure assumption.
  18. Radon
    Radon 17 October 2018 21: 25
    +7
    terrible tragedy
  19. Waddimm
    Waddimm 17 October 2018 21: 26
    +6
    There are always many questions in such cases. To draw conclusions early.
    The wounded have a speedy recovery.
    Relatives of the victims of condolences, no words to console their pain.
  20. RUS96
    RUS96 17 October 2018 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Where was he going to hunt?

    He was not going to hunt
    1. Surg
      Surg 17 October 2018 22: 56
      +1
      They won’t sell them without stocks and register them, another point if there is a pistol grip in the kit. But with a 12-gauge without a stock, shooting is very difficult, especially aiming, only from the hip. Otherwise, a trip to a traumatologist.
      1. Compasure
        Compasure 18 October 2018 00: 12
        0
        I would say from the stomach))
  21. Fregate
    Fregate 17 October 2018 21: 28
    +9
    Yes, there are many questions. Perhaps he contacted someone from Ukraine. They brought him IED from there and went to work with him. And then they banged him in the library, and they left. After this happened on the Internet, a lot of information from eyewitnesses began to appear and some said that they saw people with weapons, and not just one person. Where the truth is, where there is no hell knows. It remains only to wait.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 17 October 2018 21: 41
      +4
      Today I read somewhere that there were four. Two were tied at the exit, one was washed off.
  22. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 17 October 2018 21: 30
    +17
    Many men are right. There are a lot of smart and competent people, why I respect this site. Tragedy is little said! This is just a stone's throw from me. College of merchandisers, cooks, etc. Yeah, and at 22 years old, the psycho collected 2 bombs, predicted the time for long breaks, fired confidently, etc., let the rubbish be rubbed by others. I know what I am saying. Child safety is most important. While the country will not respond rigidly to calls (Syria, LDNR, Poland, etc.), I am afraid to wipe my feet and Anglo-Saxon dogs will continue. Tactics and sobriety in actions are good, but it is not appreciated and the soul hurts. Kerch, we are with you!
  23. Smoked
    Smoked 17 October 2018 21: 32
    +12
    It’s just the author of the article and many people have not yet realized what reality they live in. They think that nothing has changed in people, such as before only with smartphones. No people, not like that. If you understood, then already from the photo from the places in which he was dressed, what he was armed with, understood what this scumbag wanted to achieve and did not waste his time in vain.
    Most striking is how civilian shuttles wonder how it can be so killed with smooth-bore weapons. Especially for you, miscarriages of the military department and not knowing military affairs, I tell you. Cartridge 12 gauge thing is not at all for games, and in many countries some types of cartridges and types of weapons like semi-automatic with a short barrel are forbidden as are considered semi-military, as it is now fashionable to say, tactical. This is a scary weapon at close range with the right cartridge!
    1. Ra-ra
      Ra-ra 17 October 2018 21: 39
      +2
      Plus. I want to add ... Wherever you spit, policeman. What prevents you from checking the buildings, etc., an hour before the opening of mass clusters? Moreover, global resistance is coming. Daish, Natsik, etc. Blithely. Because of this, 15 guys in Syria died. A lot of emotions, I’ll better not comment anymore.
    2. German Titov
      German Titov 17 October 2018 22: 16
      +1
      "Especially for you, miscarriages of the military department and those who do not know military affairs, I am telling you. The 12-gauge cartridge is not at all for games and in many countries some types of cartridges and types of weapons like semi-automatic machines with a short barrel are prohibited as they are considered paramilitary, as it is now fashionable to say , tactical. This is a terrible weapon at close range with the right cartridge! "

      180 in "unloading" 5.45, - even there is no desire to use. If you kill someone, you can't glue back. I agree with you. This is in the games "unit soaked". It is harder for "lives".
  24. Declarant
    Declarant 17 October 2018 21: 34
    0
    https://vk.com/id156786275 ссылка его странички в вк. Судя по фото, он готовился и настраивался к этому давно.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 17 October 2018 22: 53
      +1
      I do not see anything like this in the photo. And nothing at all on that page is unusual.
  25. Stils
    Stils 17 October 2018 21: 41
    +7
    With a gun and a bk it’s clear, but where did he get the explosive? A thread goes here and leads to a certain thought, to find those who helped with centuries and this is the answer to many questions
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 17 October 2018 21: 46
      +5
      You did not have a Soviet childhood and the absence of factory firecrackers for sale. So write nonsense. He stupidly wrapped crackers on top of the damaging elements. Patience, soon the journalists will tell you everything in detail so that the next one could learn from someone else's experience.
      1. Stils
        Stils 17 October 2018 21: 52
        +9
        There was a Soviet childhood, bombs with magnesium and potassium permanganate)) were also there, but are you sure that they were crackers? Me not. In your opinion, it turns out that now even centuries are not needed for a terrorist attack, is it enough to buy a firecracker in a store and hardware in the nearest building market?
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 October 2018 21: 53
        +3
        There the floor turned so far that it was far from crackers. You can’t make such a thing from improvised results. Explosives are the main question.
        1. Smoked
          Smoked 17 October 2018 21: 55
          +4
          Hospadi, well, read for the shooting in Columbine, which he copied and do not write your fantasies.
      3. kinolog2322
        kinolog2322 17 October 2018 22: 40
        +3
        Magnesium, manganese, (silver) ... Yes, there was a childhood.
        1. Stils
          Stils 17 October 2018 23: 00
          +1
          Incredible by the way mixture, crashing, very bright flash, rather severe destruction with large quantities of substance, current firecrackers as a game with matches in comparison with a mixture of magnesium with p.potassium
      4. Ural resident
        Ural resident 18 October 2018 06: 34
        0
        If there was a permit for weapons - couldn’t he just buy gunpowder in a store?
    2. Compasure
      Compasure 18 October 2018 00: 17
      0
      and where did he get the explosive?

      I read https://fishki.net/2322510-kak-sdelaty-poroh-v-domashnih-uslovijah.html on the Internet
  26. Vadim851
    Vadim851 17 October 2018 21: 47
    +3
    At the age of 18, dozens of shots with wolf buckshot, 6,2 mm balls, causing terrible damage near, what kind of composure should this be? When hunting against a small boar he even successfully used it. Yes, and this is not suicide - just tear off part of the skull. Strange, very strange it.
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 17 October 2018 21: 53
      +2
      That is, his whole wagering plan as in America is normal, but that he certainly had to ruin his skull with buckshot, and not a bullet subcaliber, is this fantastic? You should write books, detective.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 October 2018 22: 44
      +1
      Quote: Vadim851
      On a hunt against a small boar he even successfully used it.

      laughing Survived? I'm not talking about boar drinks You can also dump an adult billhook, but on condition that you hit an exact point the size of a royal nickle behind your ear. Verified yes
  27. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 17 October 2018 21: 50
    +7
    Quote: Stils
    With a gun and a bk it’s clear, but where did he get the explosive? A thread goes here and leads to a certain thought, to find those who helped with centuries and this is the answer to many questions

    You're right! I know and have experience. But not at 22 and the Doge is not a technical average. I was there today, guys, you can’t even imagine the mass of the striking elements, the affected area, etc. This is just a must see. Ground floor. This is a performer, fact!
  28. mvd ru
    mvd ru 17 October 2018 21: 56
    +1
    Quote: Ra-Ra
    Where do not spit-policeman.

    I want to clarify, is this with you? And Russia, after the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2011, reduced a lot of people
  29. German Titov
    German Titov 17 October 2018 21: 58
    +3
    I would not predict the situation, "especially based on the results of journalistic investigations." Once in my "leisure" I studied the "criminal" and "criminal procedure" codes, applied them in practice. Somehow I would be in no hurry to punish the "innocent" and "reward those who were not involved." Let's "cam-cam" wait.
  30. Alexander X
    Alexander X 17 October 2018 22: 12
    +1
    Shot from a gun with a "woch" (ie about 4,5 mm) with buckshot ... to smithereens. Because the gun is not so "the shortest" one must shoot close to the head, and even manage to reach the trigger, because on the territory of the Russian Federation (Article 6. Restrictions imposed on the circulation of civilian and service weapons
    The following are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation:
    turnover as a civilian and official weapon:
    long-barrel firearms ... the barrel length with the receiver is less than 500 mm and the total length of the weapon is less than 800 mm, as well as having a structure that allows it to be made less than 800 mm long and the possibility of firing is not lost). Who has such long arms?
    To reload the tube shop, it takes time, about 10 seconds. Why didn’t the people there run away?
    Ready-made cartridges with buckshot are sold in hub containers that increase accuracy and buckshot flies at short distances in a lump, almost like a bullet ... That is. to catch several people with one shot is unlikely. And how much do you need to be a well-aimed shooter to get to rushing people in their slaughter places? To recharge and shoot accurately again ... Or, as always, they write distorting facts for the red words about all the victims, including from the defeat by explosions or inconsistency .... It's a pity for innocent people ... How did I carry the weapon? Gouge guard ...
  31. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 17 October 2018 22: 13
    +10
    Probably all that I’ll say right now will be off topic or maybe the car of criticism will cause. But I am really ashamed that I gloated over the deaths as a result of attacks on schools and colleges in the United States and other countries from the NATO bloc. I am a person who has mentally survived the collapse of the Union, 2 coups, 2 internal civil wars, I am silent about a bunch of crises. Once again I realized how bad the loss among my compatriots, innocent, at the hands of a moral monster is, I want to express my condolences to the families of all people on earth who have lost loved ones in such situations. I'm with you Kerch.
  32. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 17 October 2018 22: 16
    0
    Quote: mvd ru
    Quote: Ra-Ra
    Where do not spit-policeman.

    I want to clarify, is this with you? And Russia, after the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2011, reduced a lot of people

    Yes here. Everything is complicated here. The Tatars are not stable, Kadyrov keeps in check, the percentage of security officials is just crazy (does not affect the everyday level), the warrior as it was and remains (the quality has changed dramatically and the recovery is brisk). This is the sadness, reports and the fact of admission is big, attempts to destabilize, transportation, etc., but the fact is. I will find those who are guilty and will be punished, that's for sure, but until they realize that this is a war and must be answered, tragedies are inevitable. This is purely my opinion.
  33. Igor Strakh
    Igor Strakh 17 October 2018 22: 16
    +2
    You somehow all forgot about Padock. But there everything is still cloudy. - The terrorist act - October 1, 2017, which killed 59 people, including Paddock himself, and another 546 were injured. Attention! Grandfather fired from 32 floors (in fact, half a kilometer).
  34. dr.star75
    dr.star75 17 October 2018 22: 25
    +5
    Here is the defect of our law on weapons! On VO many copies were broken for and against short-barrels for the population. You can’t wield a pistol, a little thing with only 5 years of experience, but a pump with monstrous destructive power - please! hi
    1. Waldemar
      Waldemar 17 October 2018 22: 32
      -2
      A gun does not have as many charges as wounded. How did he recharge it in that case. If it's AT ALL he
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 October 2018 23: 01
        0
        150 rounds is not enough?
  35. Waldemar
    Waldemar 17 October 2018 22: 30
    +2
    This is the handwriting of the special services of the us and israel. In America, there has recently been a massacre at a country music festival. There, too, the man allegedly locked himself in a hotel and shot at the window, also dead and assigned to guilty. And eyewitnesses saw that several people fired directly in the crowd. The legend is the same. Similar algorithm
    1. Radon
      Radon 17 October 2018 22: 37
      0
      well, again, the Jews
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 17 October 2018 22: 40
        +7
        Just do not draw Israeli special services bunnies. Knowledgeable people know what's what. Enough at least direct links with the igil. And they don’t disdain blood of a stranger at all. And in Ukraine, they generally have a card blanche for anything. I don’t need la la. There is a clear certainty that you have a regular job here, regarding the defamation league. You won’t get rid of
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      2. Tersky
        Tersky 17 October 2018 22: 49
        +1
        Quote: Radon
        0
        well, again, the Jews

        + laughing Well, what without you, and on holidays and in sorrow yes
      3. Cheldon
        Cheldon 18 October 2018 01: 45
        +1
        Quote: Radon
        well, again, the Jews

        From the operational report: “Locksmith Petrov, having arrived from the factory after work and having listened to his wife’s message that their son won the Olympics in physics and mathematics, turned around silently, went out, rang the doorbell to his neighbor, Zimmerman, and beat him without explanation” .
      4. aiden
        aiden 18 October 2018 02: 22
        0
        I would not be surprised if you are involved in this. Nothing Can Do Without You
  36. CHeroBu4ok (BLR)
    CHeroBu4ok (BLR) 17 October 2018 22: 40
    0
    I suppose that this is some kind of secret world sect since such cases occur around the world and in a similar scenario, maybe they teach and zombie there
  37. alexmach
    alexmach 17 October 2018 22: 43
    +1
    The questions in the article are very correct.
    Condolences to the families of the victims.
  38. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 17 October 2018 22: 48
    0
    Quote: Radon
    well, again, the Jews

    It’s good to whine, it’s not we who arranged genocide, saved you and helped the state to do it. Could co.zlina and write a few words of sympathy, the hand would not dry out.
  39. Catfish
    Catfish 17 October 2018 23: 13
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS


    Reasonable questions are asked by the author ... I think an 18-year-old boy who has not even passed the army can be put to a dull 19! Man is not able a priori.


    Good night, Andrew.

    He is not 18, but 22 years old. And he killed 18, not 19 people. The nineteenth is himself. Now about the shooting. Imagine a corridor in an educational institution - at least on both sides of the wall, what is the distance between them? After the explosion, the crowd, it is the crowd (I saw this), without making out the road, rushes away, away from the point of the explosion. There is no one to think and there is no time. Panic! So, having passed the crowd past you, you can safely open fire to kill from six to nine meters. After the first shot, toss the barrel and reload, then, if the shooter is inexperienced and just in a hurry, he will hammer above the chest part of the figure. And what is the dispersion of buckshot at this distance, it does not go like a "fist"? Then the walls of the corridor begin to "play" - ricochets. Then eight rounds will be enough. If most of the hits were to the upper body and to the head, then it was. But there are no reports of the nature of the injuries.
    Yes, and it is not necessary to shoot the entire store at once, and then spend a lot of time on a full reload, you can add one cartridge to it after each shot. So, I think, one shooter could do it. But this is my opinion and I do not claim to be exceptional.

    I can't comment on the IED, because I don't consider myself a specialist. But the photo shows that what was "at hand" was simply taken as striking elements.

    Sincere condolences to the families of the victims. Full recovery for the wounded.

    PS But I have a legitimate concern that the authorities will try to explain this tragedy by the intrigues of "fascist terrorists" from behind the "hillock", again turning a blind eye to the deteriorating situation of people in our country. Good luck to all of you, colleagues, I am only afraid that this is only the beginning and similar "surprises" await us in the future. And I want to end with the immortal words of Julius Fucik: "People, be careful!"
    1. aiden
      aiden 18 October 2018 02: 24
      -1
      Graffiti and plaster? What kind of rebound is that?
  40. mortido
    mortido 17 October 2018 23: 18
    0
    - "The father admitted that he knew about his son's hobby for computer games and weapons, but stressed that the young man was well-mannered and did not show aggression", - computer games are real evil, can radically change the personality, as a result, uncontrolled aggression and hatred of the society. Especially if the person lacks attention and communication
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 18 October 2018 00: 15
      +1
      Quote: mortido
      however, he emphasized that the young man was well-mannered and did not show aggression "

      In the quietest whirlpool there are the most professional devils ... am
  41. Dimitrov_grad
    Dimitrov_grad 17 October 2018 23: 23
    -1
    Quote: nznz
    Well, I shot, and that’s something you’ve got the notion of getting and killing. Getting easy, killing is getting to a point that will cause death — aiming in every place always and not out

    If he was shooting bullets, and it looks like this, because many victims, just getting hit. Hunting bullets are practically all expansive action. If you hit the silhouette, then it is sure to die. This is not rifled ammunition that will pierce right through. Hunting bullets have two main functions. Stop and cause maximum damage that is not compatible with life. They should not leave wounded animals. Most likely there are many wounded from the explosions, seriously injured and killed by bullets. They said that he bought 150 rounds with a gun. When the people fled and there were no visible "targets", he shot himself.
    Horror ... Condolences to the family ....
  42. tsosk
    tsosk 17 October 2018 23: 25
    -3
    with a high degree of probability ... there were either English or American tourists walking around ... Haili Likeley CIA or MI6 ... will there be sanctions?
    1. aiden
      aiden 18 October 2018 02: 26
      -2
      Baby go sleep. Your Hiley Likely says that you are a schoolboy, and you will go to school tomorrow.
  43. Whisper
    Whisper 17 October 2018 23: 26
    -1
    Well, what kind of cold-bloodedness should a child have? ETOGES more than one month to go to the goal, not to change your mind, not to be afraid. Apparently someone blew or helped in the ears. I do not believe alone!
    What about this boy’s computer games? Do not speak?
    1. mortido
      mortido 17 October 2018 23: 38
      0
      https://m.vz.ru/news/2018/10/17/946609.html
  44. tsosk
    tsosk 17 October 2018 23: 47
    +4
    Every day I wait for a call from my second-grade daughter. All I want is to hear the child's voice: Dad, I'm at home, I closed the door. I can’t influence anything in terms of my daughter’s safety. and my son, who is now serving, also cannot change anything. and my daughter's mother cannot protect our child in any way. What happened in Kerch is a tragedy ... but! now I will earn more minuses. But! Here is the site of housewives ??? Are there still soldiers here? Or just "analysts"? What the hell is this talking about ??? who is smarter ??? I beg your pardon, but emotions overshadow the mind ...
  45. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 17 October 2018 23: 55
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Quote: NEXUS


    Reasonable questions are asked by the author ... I think an 18-year-old boy who has not even passed the army can be put to a dull 19! Man is not able a priori.


    Good night, Andrew.

    He is not 18, but 22 years old. And he killed 18, not 19 people. The nineteenth is himself. Now about the shooting. Imagine a corridor in an educational institution - at least on both sides of the wall, what is the distance between them? After the explosion, the crowd, it is the crowd (I saw this), without making out the road, rushes away, away from the point of the explosion. There is no one to think and there is no time. Panic! So, having passed the crowd past you, you can safely open fire to kill from six to nine meters. After the first shot, toss the barrel and reload, then, if the shooter is inexperienced and just in a hurry, he will hammer above the chest part of the figure. And what is the dispersion of buckshot at this distance, it does not go like a "fist"? Then the walls of the corridor begin to "play" - ricochets. Then eight rounds will be enough. If most of the hits were to the upper body and to the head, then it was. But there are no reports of the nature of the injuries.
    Yes, and it is not necessary to shoot the entire store at once, and then spend a lot of time on a full reload, you can add one cartridge to it after each shot. So, I think, one shooter could do it. But this is my opinion and I do not claim to be exceptional.

    I can't comment on the IED, because I don't consider myself a specialist. But the photo shows that what was "at hand" was simply taken as striking elements.

    Sincere condolences to the families of the victims. Full recovery for the wounded.

    PS But I have a legitimate concern that the authorities will try to explain this tragedy by the intrigues of "fascist terrorists" from behind the "hillock", again turning a blind eye to the deteriorating situation of people in our country. Good luck to all of you, colleagues, I am only afraid that this is only the beginning and similar "surprises" await us in the future. And I want to end with the immortal words of Julius Fucik: "People, be careful!"

    Experience, knowledge, etc. is, at least maid in the USSR. And as a competent person, it was in such nuances and who visited the place directly, I say, this is all planned. Let them say, to calm the people, but he is a performer. Selection of weapons, characteristics of shots, behavior model, the shooting itself, etc. Tire the experts who can’t make a firecracker at home and didn’t take life. This training is needed, time, money and not a humanitarian education. This generation knows little. Always executed traitors and murderers, the show did not suit. This is independent of the authorities; the officers always had and will have their own law and honor!
  46. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 18 October 2018 00: 07
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    Stupid article - I could do it all (since childhood, a hunter and a mining engineer by training), and I wouldn’t need any help at the same time - just a wish. Of course I would shoot this puppy ... but I could do it - I confess.
  47. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 18 October 2018 00: 23
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    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Stupid article - I could do it all (since childhood, a hunter and a mining engineer by training), and I wouldn’t need any help at the same time - just a wish. Of course I would shoot this puppy ... but I could do it - I confess.

    Isn’t your stupidity higher? What to do, pick up buckshot, especially not simple, without being a hunter to shoot confidently or collect 2 remote activation bombs? Question, did you take a person’s life? I doubt it ... The next expert opinion from the construction battalion (I exaggerate). Everything is different here. Even the Air Force dropping bombs will not understand the elimination. This is a different world and psychology. After that, there is a breaking and I want to hang myself. Passed by, we know ... The culprits will be found and executed, as was usually done. Without officialdom, etc.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 18 October 2018 00: 40
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      Okay, let's go through the steps ... What does it mean to pick up buckshot? It is possible and fraction. Remote Use Bombs? Yes Easy. At least on the radio, at least on cellular communications. Yes, he did, but he did it according to the laws of the USSR. Hesitate. I served in the Army Air Force (helicopters), 1984-1986, 361st Air Force. My surname Averchenkov - you can check. Sergey Alexandrovich Averchenkov. Breaking does not go and I do not want to hang myself - you’ve seen enough movies during the campaign. The simple question is - can you kill the chicken? Well, just roll your head? Only honestly.
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 18 October 2018 01: 52
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        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        Breaking does not go and I do not want to hang myself - you’ve seen enough movies during the campaign. The simple question is - can you kill the chicken? Well, just roll your head? Only honestly.

        Grandfather served in the Cossack Kuban regiment. And the grandmother chopped hens, the grandfather could not.
    2. Compasure
      Compasure 18 October 2018 02: 56
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      This is a different world and psychology. After that, there is a breaking and I want to hang myself.

      Breaking with you comes from another! Go to the gun shop and see what 12-caliber cartridges are for sale. Everything is written there: bullets, buckshot, 0000, 000, 00, 0, etc.
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  48. Ra-ra
    Ra-ra 18 October 2018 01: 42
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    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Okay, let's go through the steps ... What does it mean to pick up buckshot? It is possible and fraction. Remote Use Bombs? Yes Easy. At least on the radio, at least on cellular communications. Yes, he did, but he did it according to the laws of the USSR. Hesitate. I served in the Army Air Force (helicopters), 1984-1986, 361st Air Force. My surname Averchenkov - you can check. Sergey Alexandrovich Averchenkov. Breaking does not go and I do not want to hang myself - you’ve seen enough movies during the campaign. The simple question is - can you kill the chicken? Well, just roll your head? Only honestly.

    Sorry, but you piled nonsense. You didn’t even catch the moments of my text. Knowing understood. This is the theme of wanderers. Many countries, one homeland. Already worried for you, it remains instead of you to digest and pot. Once again I say, this is a performer, shoot further on the gophers and remember one flight with a salvo. On no longer pulls. Either a silly topic to develop, or as a fisherman. They closed it altogether. And so he said it already. This is all the specifics, well, do not argue with the plumber as a baker. Turntables, for example, I don’t understand at all, but they helped out steadily. In general, all the best to you.
  49. gladcu2
    gladcu2 18 October 2018 01: 47
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    19 people from the pump action?

    I can’t believe it. Did they stand in line?

    Pump action weapon for close combat. Kartech does not have time to open up to a distance of 15 m. The effective fire range is up to 50 m

    Given so many victims. Unclear.
    1. Compasure
      Compasure 18 October 2018 02: 53
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      You can never see from a smooth trunk shot shot!
  50. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 October 2018 02: 11
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    Quote: Egor53
    At the same time, the corpse lies in a white T-shirt, and in the frames where he is walking up the stairs with a pump-action shotgun, he is in black.

    he is in a white t-shirt