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S-300s in the SAR can be attacked primarily from the ground: "maintaining a reputation"

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On the eve of news tape "Military Review" there was material, which described the statements of the American Brigadier General Peter Zwack. The general, today a senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies at the University of National Defense, said that the C-300 Russian CMS X-NUMX would eventually be destroyed by Israel, for which he would find the reason and the reason.


S-300s in the SAR can be attacked primarily from the ground: "maintaining a reputation"


The idea of ​​the American general is extremely clear: if the Syrian military personnel turns out to be C-300 air defense systems, then the complexes "will not last long" - Israel will destroy them from the ground or from the air.

If we continue the logic of the brigadier general Zvak, it turns out that the C-300 air defense system will be able to remain intact in Syria only if they are operated by Russian air defense calculations.

If so, then Russian anti-aircraft gunners will have to be deployed on a long-term basis throughout virtually all of Syria, including military airfields of the SAR Air Force and civilian airports located in the central, eastern and southern parts of the country, where Damascus is going to deploy the Russian air defense system on alert.

One of these places is the Syrian capital’s international airport, which serves several destinations - including Iranian. It is this direction that causes “questions” from the same Israel, where Syria is constantly accused of allowing the Iranian military to unload aircraft with military cargo at civilian sites.

Apparently, it is the issue of the deployment of Russian air defense calculations in Syria and intends to discuss the Israeli prime minister during an announced meeting with the Russian president.

The situation is difficult for both Russia and Israel. Not to mention Syria itself.

If Moscow completely transfers the C-300 to the Syrians, then, as it is fashionable to say today, it is very likely that the air defense system will be destroyed (sabotage is also possible on the ground, as mentioned by the mentioned General Zvak). The destruction of the C-300 from the ground is one thing, from the air is another. In the second case, this could be a reputational blow to the complexes themselves. That is, "to protect the reputation of C-300," those who are not ready to perceive these air defense systems in Syria can really arrange sabotage actions "on the ground."

If Moscow sends Russian troops for the permanent control of the S-300 air defense system, then, for obvious reasons, it will be safer in the first place for the air defense system itself. But another question: will the S-300 respond to the Israeli aviation activity the way official Damascus wants?

It is necessary to touch on the topic that not so long ago in Israel they declared that Russia had transferred C-300 to the control of Iranian air defense calculations. Can this be regarded as preparation for a possible attack on air defense complexes in Syria?
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 17 October 2018 09: 47
    +13
    If Israel was lucky to cover the defenseless S-200 complex once, this does not mean that it will be lucky with the 300th. negative
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 17 October 2018 10: 07
      +16
      No one will risk the S-300, not like the F-35, not even the F-22. yes Hundreds of billions of US prestige are at stake. I have already made an assumption on the situation when the American "invisible" will be destroyed. This is a cross on the program and production. For an American, the best scenario is "white Israeli helmets."
      1. Ground operation, with the goal of destroying the calculation of the installation, neutralizing the protection and operators.
      2. Launch a salvo with air-to-ground missiles.
      3. Show (from a drone) how an Israeli missile hits a "vaunted" Russian complex.
      4. Trumpet the whole world about Russian weakness and lies.
      How to prevent this? The special services and special units of the SAR and the Russian Federation have both forces and means.
      1. credo
        credo 17 October 2018 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        How to prevent this? The special services and special units of the SAR and the Russian Federation have both forces and means.

        It seems that the destruction of the S-300 is primarily needed by the United States itself, but they will do it "by the hands of Israel," so Syria and Russia should not relax, as the United States will try to provide Israel with any means to discredit each new Russian air defense system.
        Yes, grandmothers at stake in the US military-industrial complex are such that they are ready to hide behind even such a faithful ally as Israel, if only to thoroughly tarnish the reputation of Russian air defense systems.
      2. yehat
        yehat 17 October 2018 21: 35
        0
        The easiest way is to overload the salvo capabilities of the S-300 battery. to launch several waves of missiles with traps and false targets, the battery will use up all the missiles and that's it.
        1. Arh
          Arh 17 October 2018 22: 01
          0
          The guard is right, and the Jews will burst with anger wassat laughing
        2. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 18 October 2018 07: 16
          0
          In this case, the elder brother is covered by "Armor". Do you think the S-300 arrived alone in Syria?
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 18 October 2018 11: 55
          +1
          Do not try to seem smarter than you really are, it does not suit you.
          1. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2018 12: 08
            0
            What are you trying to tell me some kind of shortening, there was already a precedent and more than once, when they fired a volley of missiles and air defense of Syria + ours could only reduce the damage, but not stop it.
            it is not the mind, but a statement of what is already happening. You can ignore this for complacency, but what will it lead to?
            rearrangement of the s-300 enhances air defense unconditionally, but there is no need to harbor any illusions in the scale of improvements.
            1. Kent0001
              Kent0001 18 October 2018 12: 10
              +1
              I think our systems will be able to identify false targets. Something like this. And shoot for those that will be real. Yes, no one has any illusions about the situation in Syria in general, and with the S-300 in particular. not on this forum .... not on the General Staff.
              1. yehat
                yehat 18 October 2018 12: 16
                0
                the reality is that only one f16 squadron can fire a salvo of 16 real missiles. and in Israel it is not one, not two, and not 3.
                And how many rockets on duty are deployed on duty?
                48 pieces, in the expectation that they will reflect up to 24 goals (and this is considered an excellent indicator). Moreover, the batteries plan to place one at a time.
                let's say even a couple of shells have time to shoot down a rocket
                consequently, 2 f-16 squadrons have every chance of tearing down the s-300 battery from the first raid, or they can repeat it. This is arithmetic at the level of a 2-3 grade school. and this if there are no any electronic warfare rules and other support.
                As for the target selection, location and better noise immunity, yes, but
                the presence of the s-300 does not fundamentally change the situation.
                To be sure, we need to approximately double the air defense group, as well as slightly improve the work of intelligence - such a force will be an intractable issue for Israel.
                1. meandr51
                  meandr51 18 October 2018 12: 45
                  +1
                  Well, where are these 16 * n rockets? Probably just do not shoot out of pity?
                2. Kent0001
                  Kent0001 18 October 2018 12: 45
                  +1
                  Tovarisch is a war with Russia. It is a pity that you are only able to operate on concepts from a mathematics course in grades 2-3 ....
                  1. yehat
                    yehat 18 October 2018 13: 07
                    -1
                    I'm talking about the situation, not about political games.
                    our peacekeepers stood in Ossetia, somehow Saakashvili was not particularly embarrassed - he wanted to and began to kill. And if a tank brigade stood behind the peacekeepers, it would probably be more embarrassing.
                  2. Warrior2015
                    Warrior2015 18 October 2018 23: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Kent0001
                    Tovarisch is a war with Russia.

                    Generally it is not necessary. Vaughn specialists from the USSR participated in many battles on the side of the Arabs in 1960-198, and the USSR and Israel were not officially at war.
        4. meandr51
          meandr51 18 October 2018 12: 40
          0
          It is very expensive. In addition, these missiles can also be "overloaded". Rubber mock-ups with equipment elements sufficient for imitation. Put them 10 times more. Yes, and the Syrians themselves will be able to produce such ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2018 13: 09
            0
            In Israel, attacks are carefully planned using US and NATO intelligence; most false targets will be filtered out. And Vietnam’s tactics in Syria do not work very well.
    2. vik669
      vik669 17 October 2018 10: 28
      +1
      "We have all gentlemen here, we trust each other's word." It was then that the map flooded me. And what if not jelmen and trample!
    3. Faceless
      Faceless 17 October 2018 10: 40
      +4
      The best military development for Israel is the incapacitation of a complex (from the ground) by a sabotage group, followed by its immediate destruction from the air. In this case, the actions of the ground group should not be disclosed. It is obvious that exactly such a scenario will try to realize Israel. You have to be prepared for it. How is it prepared - a lot of options.
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 17 October 2018 11: 28
        +1
        No, this is a threat to the lives of soldiers, this will only happen if there are completely unprotected complexes. In our mess, and this is possible. But most likely, they will be destroyed from the air, or they will not pay attention and destroy the targets, as before. The choice is for the Israelis, and for whom the choice is, usually for those and the victory. If we live, we will see.
        1. jjj
          jjj 17 October 2018 11: 55
          0
          And then, during the next raid of Israeli aviation, it suddenly turns out that all the planes were shot down ...
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 17 October 2018 12: 21
            +2
            Aliens?
            Roughly equal in probability events
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 17 October 2018 14: 56
              -1
              What a conversation at the national and international level. The RF Ministry of Defense must declare that in the event of the destruction of the Syrian air defense. responsibility and retaliatory military sanctions will be applied to the aggressor .. So all the problems have been resolved, Israel will have nothing to "catch" the S-300 neither by air, nor by land, nor underground. On the comments, babbling is entirely ...
              1. Imobile
                Imobile 17 October 2018 15: 13
                -1
                Well, firstly, they have already stated, and secondly, what will we beat? Naturally with conventional weapons, we have practically no chances, while the atomic one has a large number of victims, and there are not so many chances. And most importantly FOR WHOM? For the Syrian regime, which at any moment can kick us in the ass
                1. Oleg123219307
                  Oleg123219307 17 October 2018 16: 39
                  +1
                  He laughed heartily. Strength is what is in the Holy Land. Vast expanses, innumerable armies, warriors of light without a drop of fear in the soul. Looking scary towards such greatness. Particularly strange are the allegations about the lack of chances in using nuclear weapons against Israel. But why is it nuclear? It’s rather weak like that. Let’s immediately meson, quark, or even better, the legendary S-700 Zhirinovsky. Conventional weapons have no chance of what? To destroy the state of Israel - so it seems to me that such a goal has never been set. But together with Iran, to hell with everything that they have flies there and cover up the Iranian offensive, followed by fun on the ground, will have enough forces. And I think that in Israel they perfectly understand this, because now the silence is like that. The question is that we just do not need to fight there, we would stabilize this region on the contrary and not shatter.
                  1. stone
                    stone 17 October 2018 17: 02
                    +3
                    Well, for starters, take an interest and compare, for example, the capabilities of the Israeli Air Force and the Russian Air Force on this theater. Moreover, not only quantitative, but also qualitative.
                    1. Imobile
                      Imobile 17 October 2018 17: 21
                      +2
                      I’m trying to explain to Oleg that with our 20 planes we won’t do anything there. Of course, you can bring down everything, but first you need to bring down something, but we are pushing, pushing is nothing. Previously, it was possible to come up with the idea that our C400 for the background did not turn on, that they would speak on the S-300, thought that they would bomb immediately, then one could say that they did not have time to deploy, what now to say?
                      1. Vladimir 5
                        Vladimir 5 17 October 2018 21: 17
                        -2
                        What kind of talk about the belief that no one is afraid of Israel and it is invincible ... Yes, a couple of Iskanders at the airfield airfields, warning in 3 minutes (as in the case of IL-20) and blowing on the F-35, that’s all the power will be blown away at the moment ... Israel with the victims of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation crossed the red line (as they like to point out in the West), but they are punished for it ..
                      2. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 17 October 2018 21: 19
                        +3
                        And what should result from this comparison? You know, if you said that all NATO troops in the region would fit in with Israel, then yes, there would be a threat. Because NATO troops there do not need to defend their cities and population and fear retaliation. But something I have big doubts about this. The Israeli Air Force itself has about 200 combat aircraft, mainly F15 and F16. At first glance it is against our 20 aircraft, of which 3/4 of the bombers are really a serious force. But if you raise the question of the meaning of large-scale hostilities in that region, then the statistics for Israel are not so tasty. In fact, these Israeli 200 aircraft have nothing to destroy there. Syria is now in ruins, its IDF army is uninteresting and its destruction will not change anything and will not solve in the region. There are 2 bases there, which are covered by a layered air defense system and will last at least until the launch of all available means of destruction, and we do not have vulnerable civilian and industrial facilities, as well as requiring civilian protection. But there is an S-400 in Hmeimim, an S-300 in Tartus, and now another S-300 throughout the entire territory of Syria controlled by the government. All this, as I understand it, is covered by medium and short-range air defense, and is either already tied into our network-centric control system, or is now in the process. Plus EW systems and other joy for cruise missiles. What follows from this, it seems to me. 1) Israeli planes will not be able to enter the planning zone for the dumping of bombs without the risk of not returning with a full squad having run into the air defense of the far zone. This means anti-radar missiles, and they also do not shine with Israel with a range exceeding the radius of the S-300 of the latest modifications, all the more so with the illumination of targets from the S-400. And under normal control of near-range air defense, it can cope with them, albeit not in all cases. That is, you will have to launch a lot of missiles, 250-300 in at least one salvo. Does Israel have so much? For the sake of their simultaneous launch, are they ready to bring all of their aviation into the coverage area of ​​our air defense systems, from where half will not return with a guarantee? Or all the hopes of a 9 F-35? 2) Having done this, the gentlemen from Israel run the risk of running into a response with conventional weapons such as the Iskander or the Kyrgyz Republic from ships in the Mediterranean Sea on their territory. The iron dome is very cool against home-made Hamas missiles, but no one has come up with a short-range defense radius yet. What will be their losses in material and human terms? I’m not talking about the destruction of their state, no, but in one day they may well lose more than in the past half century, but they will not give us a comparable answer. 3) Will Iran sit and watch this show on TV? Or after the end of Israeli aviation and serious problems on earth will come to finish off? I do not know whether the state of Israel will end there, but their current government will end for sure. Why do they need it? Or are you really considering the option of Israel decapitating a nuclear strike on our bases?
        2. meandr51
          meandr51 18 October 2018 12: 47
          0
          Yes. yes, it’s completely safe, there can be no loss to Israel - the Israeli army is invincible! In general, there is no worse animal than a cat ...
      2. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 18 October 2018 07: 19
        0
        In this case - to catch sabotage on the way, interrogate with partiality, and then crucify near the positions of the complexes, as the Romans crucified the Zealots during the Judean Wars. Photos hung by mail to Tel Aviv, at the headquarters of Mossad. Before sending the next batch of sabotage there they will think a hundred more times.
    4. max702
      max702 18 October 2018 21: 48
      0
      By and large, only the means that can destroy the threat to these complexes, namely the airfields of the enemy’s base, will save the S-300 .. Otherwise, they will be squeezed anyway, the ways are dark. If the enemy knows that the threat will not receive the answer (Air Force, DRG ) but their source is yes ..
      1. max702
        max702 18 October 2018 21: 54
        0
        According to the mind, in order to discourage further provocations, it is necessary to answer (or perhaps preventively) 5-10 missiles of 50kt at threatening targets, and all will not be possible ..
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 17 October 2018 09: 49
    +4
    One watchman for the calculation of air defense systems.

    So what?

    Russian? Russian!

    Duty-bound? Who knows?
    1. novel66
      novel66 17 October 2018 10: 11
      +3
      and a bear with a balalaika - so that you can see from afar, the Russians are here
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 17 October 2018 10: 16
        +3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        so you can see from afar


        Here is the Russian spirit. It smells of Rus *

        And scatter dolls in the area.

        Novel hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 17 October 2018 10: 29
          +1
          alternating with stretch marks.
          ours to you hi
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 17 October 2018 11: 31
          +2
          Quote: Leclerc
          Yes, from satellites, and so it is perfectly visible who sits there.

          If the soldiers periodically leave the post to smoke and play backgammon, and during the alarm, the operator nervously presses all the buttons in a row, launching rockets into everything that moves - the Arabs.

          If the system is constantly turned off, and the soldiers are sitting on a bench and in front of them a chorus in their caps and someone is dancing in a kokoshnik, the Russians.


          And if, when the enemy advances with brown browns, they surrender, and then add themselves to the list of winners (Nazism, ISIS, the list goes on), then the French ...
        2. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 17 October 2018 14: 36
          0
          Quote: Leclerc
          Quote: novel xnumx
          so that you can see from afar, the Russians here


          Yes, from satellites, and so it is perfectly visible who sits there.

          If the soldiers periodically leave the post to smoke and play backgammon, and during the alarm, the operator nervously presses all the buttons in a row, launching rockets into everything that moves - the Arabs.

          If the system is constantly turned off, and the soldiers are sitting on a bench and in front of them a chorus in their caps and someone is dancing in a kokoshnik, the Russians.

          I forgot about vodka and a bear with a balalaika negative
        3. Vanek
          Vanek 17 October 2018 15: 59
          0
          You, Leclerc.

          As a general, he can be good.

          But as a person .......

          hi
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 18 October 2018 12: 50
        0
        Better builder with a shovel.
        1. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO 18 October 2018 18: 40
          0
          Thank you for your trust in tvrshchkmdir!
  3. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 17 October 2018 09: 49
    +9
    I don’t think that the Israeli DRG will be able to specifically destroy the S-300 division, guarded by special forces of the SAR and Special Operations Forces (MTR)
    but I know for sure that no one will fly except us
    1. 210ox
      210ox 17 October 2018 10: 26
      +2
      Novel hi I dare say that invulnerable weapons do not exist. And Israel actually has the means to destroy them without entering the range of the complexes. The question is, will they be used? If our officers are in the calculations, I hope that irreparable will not happen.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 17 October 2018 11: 32
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        I hope that the irreparable will not happen.

        if the opportunity arises, and it will be 100%, then there will be an attack on the s-300. The USA has not just allocated 38 billion to Israel. $ Will be spent on them.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 18 October 2018 12: 53
        0
        Well, does Israel have one? A simple landing of a Jew in F-16 already makes him invulnerable ...
  4. Fedorov
    Fedorov 17 October 2018 09: 54
    +8
    24 launchers, three divisions, plus electronic warfare stations. Not really deployed yet. Will they enter a single network, someone wants to check? I will not envy. Moreover, "friend or foe", one hundred percent Russian officers are sitting there in the commander's chair.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 10: 13
      0
      And they spoke like five regiments, and then three divisions. I missed or confused something about the campaign
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 October 2018 10: 20
        0
        Quote: igorbrsv
        And they spoke like five regiments, and here three divisions

        Who spoke?
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 17 October 2018 10: 23
          0
          Yes, only here I could read in the comments request If only confused
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 17 October 2018 10: 40
            +3
            Quote: igorbrsv
            And they said like five regiments

            Five regiments of C-300 in Syria? belay
            It seems that you confused Syria with India, C-300 with C-400, and the delivery with the concluded supply contract ...
            1. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 17 October 2018 10: 52
              0
              Right Five regiments about India were. Confused. thank hi
  5. Azazelo
    Azazelo 17 October 2018 09: 56
    +4
    How the asses burn ... and this is all from a small number of rockets. Can also throw Iskander to the Syrians?
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 17 October 2018 10: 08
      -4
      Quote: Azazelo
      How the asses burn ... and this is all from a small number of rockets. Can also throw Iskander to the Syrians?

      Everything is much simpler, the Syrian Naro, obviously, are our brothers, they replaced us with Ukrainians, who turned into fascist-Bandera. Therefore, Syria must urgently be included in Russia. It is necessary not only to fight, but also to build hospitals, roads, factories there. Russians and Syrians are brothers forever !!!!
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 17 October 2018 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: Semen1972
        Everything is much simpler, the Syrian Naro, obviously, we are brothers, they replaced us Ukrainians

        Obviously belay Purely business and politics are not personal! And we and Ukrainians are one people, not even brothers, but one people!
        Quote: Semen1972
        which turned into fascist-Bandera.

        They will cope with this infection over time, I’m sure of it! Yes, and most Ukrainians are not up to politics now! And the ratings of their elite indicate the attitude of the simple people to what is happening in the country. This is all the money (fascist-Bandera), billions of dollars allocated by the USA for bribery of the Ukrainian elite.
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 17 October 2018 11: 35
          -1
          Quote: You Vlad
          Obviously Pure business and politics are not personal!

          What kind of business are we talking about ??? Blood business is on our bonds, do not confuse us with the Americans !!!
          Quote: You Vlad
          They will cope with this infection over time, I'm sure of it!

          What do you mean "cope", is that a cold ?? They are either fascists or not. The answer is the fascists, who are unhappy with the disconnection of Crimea and Donbass from them. The brothers are happy for each other, and not at war, they should have greeted it with applause, since brothers !!!! And so in fact, not brothers, fascists and Benders !!! It is not the elite who are fighting and marching, not the elite in the squares yelling !!!
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 17 October 2018 12: 00
            0
            Quote: Semen1972
            What kind of business are we talking about ??? Blood business is on our bonds, do not confuse us with the Americans!

            Syria is a sphere of our interests that we defend!
            Quote: Semen1972
            What does "cope" mean, is that a cold ?? They are either fascists or not. The answer is the fascists

            Do you think we have fewer Natsik in Russia? Another thing is when the state encourages them!
            Quote: Semen1972
            The brothers rejoice over each other, but do not fight, they should have applauded this, since the brothers !!!!

            I believe this is a family quarrel inspired by
            Quote: Semen1972
            This is not the elite fighting and marches, not the elite in the squares yelling !!!

            No, these are young people raised by the elite for Amer’s grants (against Russia), the power of all these scumbags will be replaced!
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 17 October 2018 12: 53
              0
              Quote: You Vlad
              Syria is a sphere of our interests that we defend!

              What are the common words? The interests that devastated the pension fund are not our interests. I do not see articles of income from these interests .. I see only the corpses of our compatriots and brothers in arms !!!
              Do you think we have fewer Natsik in Russia?

              Smaller, Russia is not a fascist state.
              I believe this is a family quarrel inspired by

              The annexation of Crimea was inspired in the Kremlin, and not from the outside. And it doesn’t matter what happened in Kiev, since our Crimea is independent of Kiev. Our and that's it. You want to say that if a person appointed by the Kremlin will sit in Kiev, then Crimea will become Ukrainian - never !!!!
              No, these are young people raised by the elite for Amer grants (against Russia)

              I don’t quite understand ... only representatives of elite schools with a foreign language taking practice abroad participate in torchlight processions ... Majors, in other words? Did I understand correctly that we have majors (and they all study abroad and in elite schools of the West, such as the children of Zheleznyak, the daughter of Lavrov, etc.) - complete Nazis?
      2. Lena363
        Lena363 17 October 2018 15: 08
        -1
        Well yes. Provide them with salaries, jobs, pensions, benefits ... At the expense of whom? Yes, at the expense of you!
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 18 October 2018 09: 31
          -1
          Quote: Lena363
          Well yes. Provide them with salaries, jobs, pensions, benefits ... At the expense of whom? Yes, at the expense of you!

          Do you also tell relatives? You know how a Russian person differs from the whole ugly world - we do everything out of love, and not for the sake of bloody money.
    2. brigadier
      brigadier 17 October 2018 10: 10
      -9
      Quote: Azazelo
      How the asses burn ... and this is all from a small number of rockets. Can also throw Iskander to the Syrians?

      Definitely worth it.
      What is the cost of living in the Saratov region? 3500 rubles like - 54 US dollars. You can still cut it. And the Syrian Iskander certainly needed.
      Good luck and good mood.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 17 October 2018 10: 18
        +6
        You will need luck at the moment.
        And do not get sick.
        Although you can not really worry about you.
        Medicine is at your best.
        1. brigadier
          brigadier 17 October 2018 10: 32
          -3
          Lads For almost a month this has been dragging on ...
          Do you seriously think that there could even theoretically be a war between Israel and Russia? What planet do you live on? What are you discussing here at all ?! They have fought back, sofa cavalry ...
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 17 October 2018 10: 43
            +7
            Quote: brigadir
            Lads For almost a month this has been dragging on ...
            Do you seriously think that it could even theoretically be a war between Israel and Russia? What planet are you on? Revived, couch cavalry ...


            Well, Ukraine has been "at war" with Russia for the fifth year already, and is also actively discussing it. And he lives, like, on the same planet with us and with you. As you have been discussing for a year "the war that Iran is waging against Israel." So in this world, unfortunately, nothing can be insured against.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 02
            -2
            Quote: brigadir
            Lads For almost a month this has been dragging on ...
            Do you seriously think that there could even theoretically be a war between Israel and Russia? What planet do you live on? What are you discussing here at all ?! They have fought back, sofa cavalry ...

            Boring people. So they drive the blizzard.
        2. Semen1972
          Semen1972 17 October 2018 12: 55
          -4
          Quote: Livonetc
          +4
          You will need luck at the moment.

          While Putin is in power, the whole world is changing diapers !!! Russia will show everyone Kuzkin’s mother .. soon, very soon .. here it is ...
      2. vik669
        vik669 17 October 2018 10: 39
        -2
        Yes, in Saratov (and not only in Saratov) the servants, that is, the ministers are very dear, you decide there. Good luck and good mood.
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 17 October 2018 11: 18
        +4
        Quote: brigadir
        What is the cost of living in the Saratov region? 3500 rubles like - 54 US dollars. You can still cut it. And the Iskander

        Here the Jews, as if not according to them, then immediately transfer everything to money, but with reference to our country, then to a living wage! Mr. good, we have internal problems, but we do not eat hedgehogs! wassat And you know that if we don’t have to eat, we can wash you and others, you yourself know examples! hi Such are we Russians different from you and the Anglo-Saxons.
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 17 October 2018 11: 37
          +2
          Quote: neri73-r
          Mr. good, we have internal problems, but we do not eat hedgehogs! And you know that if we need to eat, we won’t, but we will wash you and others

          I recognize the slogans of our government)))) That is what Russia is worth !!!
          Moreover, if necessary, we eat some hedgehogs, but we will defeat the Anglo-Saxons anyway .. in Syria !!!
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 17 October 2018 11: 40
            -1
            Quote: Semen1972
            Quote: neri73-r
            Mr. good, we have internal problems, but we do not eat hedgehogs! And you know that if we need to eat, we won’t, but we will wash you and others

            I recognize the slogans of our government)))) That is what Russia is worth !!!

            Moreover, here are the slogans and the government, I personally think so and try to teach children this way, which of course is difficult given given that I can’t let my children buy 10 iPhones, etc., and, unfortunately, in schools for them (iPhones, clothes , jewelry, etc.) people are judged today! request
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 24
              +1
              Grandfather (father-in-law) gave my iPhone X
              But I go with the 7th, the wife walks with the 7th, respectively, the child unpacked his ten and in twenty minutes he neatly put it in a box))
              Here, a Personal Example is important - but what does someone say at school, the child will not care if he sees that his parents do not bother with this topic.
            2. Semen1972
              Semen1972 17 October 2018 14: 43
              -2
              Quote: neri73-r
              Moreover, here are the slogans and the government, I personally think so and I try to teach children that way

              You are an excellent representative of the electorate of our government. "Be patient, son ... I endured, my grandfather endured, my great-grandfather endured .. and you endure ... Hold on, son, there is simply no money." So the authorities are doing everything right !!! Tolerate it in Russian .. The main thing is to answer the Americans in Syria !!! Putin is handsome, I also tell children !! The truth is I don't really tolerate it ... I'm sitting on government orders ... but if everyone tolerates, then it's just handsome!))
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 17 October 2018 14: 58
                +3
                Quote: Semen1972
                Quote: neri73-r
                Moreover, here are the slogans and the government, I personally think so and I try to teach children that way

                You are an excellent representative of the electorate of our government. "Be patient, son ... I endured, my grandfather endured, my great-grandfather endured .. and you endure ... Hold on, son, there is simply no money." So the authorities are doing everything right !!! Tolerate it in Russian .. The main thing is to answer the Americans in Syria !!! Putin is handsome, I also tell children !! The truth is I don't really tolerate it ... I'm sitting on government orders ... but if everyone tolerates, then it's just handsome!))

                Ahhh, I understood - to dissolve the army, and to distribute its money to the people or to attack all at once and defeat all! fool Even the temporary detention center was waiting for a window of opportunity, geopolitics has been a matter of decades, it won’t work right away, and you and people like you want it right now and, preferably, everything, like I don’t ... and if it doesn’t work, then the government in particular and in general animals with horns and beard!
                1. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 18 October 2018 09: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  Ahhh, I understood - to dissolve the army, and to distribute its money to the people or to attack all at once and defeat all!

                  Are you out of your mind at all? In Europe, the salary is 3000 euros, and in Russia - 300. And what, they have an army stronger, or they attacked you and took away your resources? Then don’t whine when prices rise, there is no choice .. according to yours .. the choice is only to dissolve the army, right?))))
        2. Imobile
          Imobile 17 October 2018 12: 28
          0
          Somehow I also began to transfer money recently and not from a good life.
      4. ultra
        ultra 17 October 2018 13: 04
        0
        Quote: brigadir
        What is the cost of living in the Saratov region?

        Are you going to move there? laughing
        1. brigadier
          brigadier 17 October 2018 14: 35
          0
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: brigadir
          What is the cost of living in the Saratov region?

          Are you going to move there? laughing

          I thought so - maybe there you can get hold of the Iskanders. There comrade wants to send to Syria. I can even pay a little ... around the cost of living for a rocket. How is gesheft?
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 October 2018 14: 37
            0
            Quote: brigadir
            I thought so - maybe there you can get hold of the Iskanders.

            Contact Rosoboronexport.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2018 15: 44
            0
            220 NIS per rocket? Not bad.
    3. Fedorov
      Fedorov 17 October 2018 10: 15
      +2
      A small amount of ? Well, okay, let there not be 24 installations on alert, but 12 others of the type sleep, wash, repair. Each has 4 missiles. , you know how to multiply? There, and "Shells will be somewhere nearby. As an air defense officer I say - there is a khan in the sky.
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 17 October 2018 12: 33
        +1
        Sofa airbox. If the United States has not attacked and crushed our air defense into chips, this does not mean that it is invulnerable. And do not throw stones at me, supposedly I am not a patriot. The worst thing is to incorrectly assess your strength and do nothing. I would shoot all such people on the spot, as causing no less harm, on a par with officials as thieves.
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      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 29
        -2
        Quote: Leclerc


        Arabs will get into some hotel in Sochi with iskanders, and Konashenkov will tell that the Israeli pilots vilely covered themselves with earth poles and the Syrian compass malfunctioned, confusing the north with the south. And then there will be gloomy faces and telemetry from the icebreakers.

        Konashenkov will talk about the azimuth of shooting and GBU 39, which is launched from low altitudes. Tel Aviaskmi David - Intercontinental will vilely hide behind the Adler hotel.
  6. vadi64
    vadi64 17 October 2018 09: 57
    +6
    The brigadier general raves, trying to wishful thinking.
    Do not pay so much attention to the Amer military, thereby increasing the military-striped budget
    1. Altona
      Altona 17 October 2018 10: 16
      0
      Quote: vadi64
      The brigadier general raves, trying to wishful thinking.

      --------------------
      Yes, there the whole military is sitting on the blast as much as they can’t eat. They want to shoot our air defense systems as that defenseless shell.
  7. Hog
    Hog 17 October 2018 10: 08
    +1
    Transfer to the Syrians, but declare that our specialists will be assigned to the launchers for maintenance.
  8. Peter Tsar
    Peter Tsar 17 October 2018 10: 11
    +1
    In any case, the danger is huge. First of all, for our specialists, who will be present there for the first time for adjustment and training. Plus, our guards will also be our special forces and PMCs.
  9. Santor
    Santor 17 October 2018 10: 14
    +6
    Russia and Syria have OFFICIALLY concluded a military alliance - whatever we want, we do it within the framework of international law. And I am sure that the S-300 crews will be covered from the ground. First of all, by systems of short-range air defense such as "Pantsir" plus security units, both regular and non-regular. And yet - the Israelis must understand that in this kind of war, prisoners are not taken. And second, that the attitude of the RF Armed Forces servicemen towards the state of Israel at the moment is very far from complacent, most likely they are strongly reasoned. The position of Israel itself, as well as the bacchanalia of the people of the chosen nation on television channels, in the ranks of all types of opposition, and the pouring of mud on Russia on the pages of the media belonging to the people of the chosen nation.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 17 October 2018 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Santor
      relations with the state of Israel among the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


      Nasty. Do not go to the grandmother.
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 17 October 2018 10: 14
    -1
    Today in Syria, there are 11 Iranian military bases, 15 bases of the Lebanese Hezbollah and 9 more bases of pro-Iranian Shiite militias from other countries. There are these bases in the west of Syria, near the border with Lebanon, and in the east, closer to the border with Iraq, and in the north, near the border with Turkey. Iran seeks to create such bases in southern Syria, near the border with Israel and Jordan.

    Sorry guys. On the S-300 transferred to Syria, they are going to be held hostage for the sake of the Iranians. A kind of "human shield" in the vain hope that Israel will not dare to take serious action. Vain chores. If the S-300 will interfere with the Israelis, they will simply sweep them away. Alas...
    C-300 for Israelis - sunflower seeds. For the confrontation with such air defense systems they had been preparing for twenty years. Israel simply observes the rules of good tone and does not show the whole world that C-300 against the IDF Air Force cannot do anything.
    Although, I see that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) C-300 will be covered in minutes. I really hope that this time, this time will be enough for the Russian command to take its people out of the blow.
    And if this was only a theoretical argument, I know one personal motive that will motivate the Jewish Air Force to prove a potential opportunity in practice and with all its crushing, even indicative, convincingness.
    This is the Air Force commander Amikam Norkin. He will not forget his trip to Moscow. Honored combat pilot, confident in the rightness of their children, the general probably went on this voyage with a heavy heart. Only the order of the prime minister and the state's need to settle an undesirable incident forced him to sacrifice his pride and fly to the Russian capital with redundant, in general, explanations - in fact, apologies.
    And he was declared a liar there.
    I don’t know who is Shoigu’s advisor on Israeli affairs, but he made a big psychological mistake. In the Israeli army, as in any other, a lot of mess. Not everyone is doing everything right, often making mistakes, doing stupid things and hard offenses. Everything is forgiven, except for one thing: lying is impossible. Lying is the most shameful thing for an Israeli officer. In the Air Force - the elite not only of the army, but also of society - this is at the level of instinct.
    The stigma of the liar who was awarded to the General of the Air Force Norkin in Moscow is an insult which I am sure he will not be able to demolish. Duels have long been canceled. Now it’s a matter of honor for him to pay off the offenders with the weapons he has. And he has.
    C-300 in Syria, in a bad position. They have a personal enemy in Israel who will be assigned to deal with them according to their positions.
    hi
    1. Polkanov
      Polkanov 17 October 2018 10: 30
      +9
      ... what rules does the Zionist state comply with, apart from its well-being and permissiveness? Do not tell the community, or to the circus, there are clowns in need ...
    2. maxim947
      maxim947 17 October 2018 10: 37
      +11
      A. Privalov

      Do not powder people with brains. You do not need to repaint yourself on the go from the guilty to the victims and touch, and it is absolutely inappropriate, the officer honor, Norkin you see the offended left. There telemetry and everything was recorded, and everything was shown and chewed to him, no one blamed him unfoundedly. In truth, no conscience. We must be able to admit mistakes, but as life shows - not everyone is given it.
      Regarding this:
      The S-300s will interfere with the Israelis - they will simply sweep them away. Alas...

      Well, well, let's see what comes of it)
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        1. maxim947
          maxim947 17 October 2018 10: 45
          +8
          Lies from the first to the last word. Exile nonsense.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 17 October 2018 10: 49
            -7
            Quote: maxim947
            Lies from the first to the last word. Exile nonsense.

            Yes, unfortunately, your MO does not always tell the truth. But keep some propriety. Can not be so expressed. hi
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 17 October 2018 11: 09
              +6
              One feels a great deal of irony in your words, which, taking into account what happened, is not at all appropriate. The problem is that you (Israel) have dulled a sense of fear from impunity and a feeling of permissiveness, but I assure you, this is a temporary phenomenon, which for all known reasons, passes quickly. Nothing lasts forever, remember this, especially when you are again moving through tragedy.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 17 October 2018 12: 54
                0
                Quote: maxim947
                One feels a great deal of irony in your words, which, taking into account what happened, is not at all appropriate. The problem is that you (Israel) have dulled a sense of fear from impunity and a feeling of permissiveness, but I assure you, this is a temporary phenomenon, which for all known reasons, passes quickly. Nothing lasts forever, remember this, especially when you are again moving through tragedy.


                Leave empty spells, maxim947. The problem is that you forgot why you are there at all. A couple of bases on BV wanted? Under this case, the Russian bayonets decided to hold the bloody dictator in power. Want some easy war games? And it turned out to be hell ...
                The fourth year has gone. There are hundreds of victims already. About the funds, I do not say. Want to belt and further tighten - your business. But take your children. Why are you protecting Iranians with your bodies? For the sake of any such principles, is it worth doing?
                Syria and 70l are in a state of war. Everything that happens there is under our windows. Are you still sure that 5000 km from Moscow protects the Russian HVAC border?
                The IL crew is a pity. You think, having laid the blame on the stupid Syrian missile raiders on the Jews, you have found an easy excuse. You are mistaken. This will not end. And Iran will survive Russia from Syria anyway. Your Syrian brothers will send curses to your soldiers. So it was already. So it will be again. Be ready for this. And again, you will be offended to say that they said that we defended their reptiles with our chests, did not spare anything for them, but they ...
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 17 October 2018 15: 41
                  -1
                  The relationship between Syria and Israel, nobody was particularly worried here, many of the inhabitants did not even know about such a "problem". But in the light of the events of recent years, and taking into account the facts of Israel's constant "indirect" assistance to terrorists in Syria, the majority have developed a stable negative opinion regarding your activities there and, as a result, your interests. In short, you have discredited yourself so much that you will not wash yourself off, and you do not need to cover up your actions with "bloody dictators", etc., what do you care about them? And what will happen next - no one knows, wait and see.
                2. Ryzhik
                  Ryzhik 17 October 2018 19: 13
                  0
                  My friend, you are a Troll.
            2. ultra
              ultra 17 October 2018 13: 09
              +1
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Yes, unfortunately, your MO does not always tell the truth.

              So yours didn’t provide any SOK data at all, it all came down to lamentations about what bad Iranians and hezbollah are.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 22
                0
                The Israelis say they have provided. Screen shots, recordings of negotiations, etc. Solovyov said otherwise, but I do not believe this audience. In addition to specialists in air defense, Khodarenkova. I don’t believe Konashenko either. And I came across fakes and nonsense.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 17 October 2018 13: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  The Israelis say they have provided. Screen shots, recordings of negotiations, etc.

                  They only "speak", but our Defense Ministry provided concrete facts. And what has Solovyov to do with it? The Israeli Defense Ministry has not published any facts.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 42
                    -2
                    Quote: ultra
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The Israelis say they have provided. Screen shots, recordings of negotiations, etc.

                    They only "speak", but our Defense Ministry provided concrete facts. And what has Solovyov to do with it? The Israeli Defense Ministry has not published any facts.

                    The Israelis will not publish this because We are determined to continue cooperation with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and the publication will expose the Ministry of Defense as liars and ignoramuses. And I personally do not believe the pictures of Konashenkov personally. There are more questions than answers.
                    1. ultra
                      ultra 17 October 2018 13: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The Israelis will not publish this because We are determined to continue cooperation with the RF Ministry of Defense, and the publication will expose the Ministry of Defense as liars and ignoramuses.

                      This is just babble. And I thought you were a serious person!
                      1. Shahno
                        Shahno 17 October 2018 14: 02
                        +1
                        At the Military-Political Council, it was decided not to engage in media battles, and not to enter the "war of compromising evidence and emotions." Here's an excuse.
                      2. ultra
                        ultra 17 October 2018 14: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Shahno
                        The decision was made at the Military-Political Council

                        I understand that this happened to your personal participation? laughing
                      3. Shahno
                        Shahno 17 October 2018 14: 17
                        +1
                        Inquire of you, well, so-so. I am a private person ...
                      4. ultra
                        ultra 17 October 2018 14: 20
                        +1
                        And so confidently write, as if they themselves participated!
                  2. Shahno
                    Shahno 17 October 2018 15: 03
                    0
                    Russia does not want to accept the rules of the bv game? Then why come?
                    1. ultra
                      ultra 17 October 2018 15: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Shahno
                      Russia does not want to accept the rules of the bv game?

                      Russia has adopted rules that you yourself violated.
        2. Dym71
          Dym71 17 October 2018 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I can imagine how elbows bitten in the RF Ministry of Defense, that in the media, information that the Syrians had shot down so quickly broke through the media.

          I’m sure your imagination is gorgeous, Mar Privalov. yes
          Quote: A. Privalov
          After all, they could have simply stated that it was the Israelis who personally shot down the IL. And an examination of the wreck would have been and all that jazz.

          And this assumption is an analogy with the downed Malaysian Boeing in Ukraine and the Dutch consequence, right? If not, please tell us what, apart from imagination, are you guided by accusing Russia of bias towards Israel. hi
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: maxim947
          Do not powder people with brains. You do not need to repaint yourself on the go from the guilty to the victims and touch, and it’s absolutely inappropriate, the honor of an officer, you see, the offended one left. There telemetry and everything is recorded, and no one accused him without allegations. In truth, no conscience.

          Telemetry? Do not tell my slippers.
          In the sky over Syria, there have long been no Israeli aircraft when the Syrians shot down poor IL-20. The attack of the Israelis occurred at around 22 p.m., and, according to Russian media reports, with reference to the information of the Ministry of Defense, the reconnaissance plane disappeared from the radar at about 00 p.m.
          On Monday, September 17, at about 23.00 p.m. Moscow time, communication with the Russian Il-20 plane returning to Khmeimim airbase disappeared ...


          I imagine how my elbows bit in the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation that the media broke so quickly that the Syrians had shot down the IL. Elementary because they could say that the Israelis personally shot down IL. And the examination of the wreckage would be and so on. In vain, perhaps, is there all the unfortunate missile forces that the Russian military police have arrested? To this day, no one came out. This is so that something else is not blurted.
          Of course, it is impossible to admit that the crooked "partners" have done such garbage. To do this, on September 23, a new statement by the Ministry of Defense appears., which already says that the Israeli attack took place at 21:40, and the IL-20 was shot down at 22:07. Moved the event by an hour - and here's the version about the setup. The calculation was correct. Russian people shawal. Alas... hi

          According to Hale Avir, they bombed at 21:42, at 21:50 they received confirmation of hitting the target and dumped. IL-20 disappeared from the radar at 22:05. The difference with the Russian version of the minute is two in separate episodes. And, most importantly, the conclusions.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 17 October 2018 12: 52
            -2
            There is still a little moment, there the reb worked (our reb, not Mexican, or Ethiopian). Is it possible to say in this situation, and with what percentage of confidence that one of the fighters has separated from the group ...
            1. ultra
              ultra 17 October 2018 13: 10
              +1
              Quote: Shahno
              Is it possible to say in this situation, and with what percentage of confidence that one of the fighters has separated from the group ...

              You had screenshots from s-400 radars, and on your part, what evidence was there?
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 17 October 2018 13: 16
                0
                I learned to draw these screenshots in the distant 90. So don’t tell ... Everything was provided. There is a question about the degree of trust.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 17 October 2018 13: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Shahno
                  I learned to draw these screenshots in the distant 90s

                  So settle in your MO help them "draw" laughing .
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 13
              -1
              Quote: Shahno
              There is still a little moment, there the reb worked (our reb, not Mexican, or Ethiopian). Is it possible to say in this situation, and with what percentage of confidence that one of the fighters has separated from the group ...

              Yes, the fig was he separated? Especially at high altitude (according to Konashenkov) to enter the air defense work zone, approaching the shore? I am not an expert in electronic warfare, I don’t know what it is, but it seems to me that the Arabs could take some kind of electronic tag or interference for the plane. I emphasize - it seems to me possible.
              1. ultra
                ultra 17 October 2018 13: 42
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I emphasize - it seems to me possible.

                I understand that you accept the facts on the basis of what is closer to you. Here is the Israeli Defense Ministry closer to you, therefore, their facts are, for you, the ultimate truth.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 17 October 2018 16: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: ultra
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  I emphasize - it seems to me possible.

                  I understand that you accept the facts on the basis of what is closer to you. Here is the Israeli Defense Ministry closer to you, therefore, their facts are, for you, the ultimate truth.

                  No. Just the logic. For instance:
                  Why would the Israelites barrage in the anti-aircraft defense zone an hour after being bombed? Why should the Jews after a successful attack approach a single plane into the air defense zone, heading for Khmeimim?
                  Why did the IL go to the air defense work area? Why didn’t I sit on my left, but went off to land according to the standard scheme from the sea, if Syrian air defense worked there?
                  Why was lying about the principle of operation of the S-200 on a larger signature?
                  Here, everyone makes his own conclusions. My conclusions - the Israelis approached at very low altitudes - the S-400 did not see them. Got permission to attack - put interference and climbed to a relevant height. C-400 did not see them. They bombed, interfered - left. The Russians thought that it was an attack from the French frigate, perhaps they remembered the warning of the Jews on deconflicting. They sent the IL to comb the French radio channels and understand the situation. They were waiting for the provocation of NATO in Idlib and the strike on Assad. No one told the Syrians to cease fire. The Arabs shot down the IL - because of the stupidity, specifically, of the S-200, than others - it is not clear.
                  This is personally my version. I am not a pilot and not a Pvoshnik.
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 17 October 2018 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            According to Hale Avir, they bombed at 21:42, at 21:50 they received confirmation of hitting the target and dumped. IL-20 disappeared from the radar at 22:05. The difference with the Russian version of the minute is two in separate episodes.

            Hammer, "Krasnodar"! Impartiality is above all, respect! (and Mar Privalov, recently, as he broke off the chain, he was probably bitten by a fly ("Atalef") bully )
    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 October 2018 11: 04
      +4
      Quote: A. Privalov
      S-300 for Israelis - seeds. They have been preparing for a confrontation with such air defense systems for about twenty years.

      This is all cheating. In reality, no one now crosses the border. Well, for complacency, you can repeat twenty more times - we are the most, just do not show the Americans, otherwise they believe that the very best are them.
      Yes, about 20 years of preparation. 2018 - 20 = 1998?
      2006 what happened? The result of 8 years of preparation?
      1. SOF
        SOF 17 October 2018 13: 19
        +2
        Quote: Foxmara
        Yes, about 20 years of preparation. 2018 - 20 = 1998?

        .... the rhetoric of Israeli experts in the VO, after the delivery of the C300, more and more resembles the research of adherents of "Ukrainian power", like: ".... and we .... yes we are .... yes, it doesn't matter .... america with us .... "....
        .... a joke comes to mind about a hero screaming near the cave: "Come out the Serpent Gorynych !!!" and the snake's reasonable answer: "If you come to fight, fight. Good yell in the ass!" ..... lol
    4. Gumma
      Gumma 17 October 2018 11: 09
      +2
      With heavy hearts they listened to Norkin in Moscow. His lie made the personal enemies of Israel an even greater number of Russian troops. Now it’s a matter of honor for them to pay offenders with the weapons that they have. And they have.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 46
        -3
        Quote: Gumma
        With heavy hearts they listened to Norkin in Moscow. His lie made the personal enemies of Israel an even greater number of Russian troops. Now it’s a matter of honor for them to pay offenders with the weapons that they have. And they have.


        Norkin presented the RNS data. Including record of negotiations, screenshots, etc. Konashenkov is a picture that raises a lot of questions and a lot of rhetoric in the style of "oh that's what you are, but I gave flowers."
        In any case, the Israelis lock in the place and time of the strike. The Russians were waiting for the NATO attack on the Syrians. Lock of Russians - led the IL-20 from a safe place to the air defense zone. In this case, no one told the Syrians to cease fire. The Syrian lock - they saw a slow target with four engines on the radar and opened fire on it. On the S-200 is conducted on a larger signature - fairy tales.
        1. ultra
          ultra 17 October 2018 13: 11
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Norkin presented the RNS data. Including recording of negotiations, screenshots

          Why didn’t we see them?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 25
            -1
            Quote: ultra
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Norkin presented the RNS data. Including recording of negotiations, screenshots

            Why didn’t we see them?


            The Israelis do not want to aggravate the situation and do not publish. To expose the Ministry of Defense of the country with which you want to continue to cooperate will certainly not serve liars and ignoramuses.
        2. ultra
          ultra 17 October 2018 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Lock of Russians - led the IL-20 from a safe place to the air defense zone.

          Here you seem to be "don't eat on an armored train" but are talking complete nonsense! There was a warning from Israel about an attack in the north, at that time the IL-20 was in the area of ​​the alleged attack, he was given the command to leave the dangerous area, which was done, about the attack in the area of ​​the base was warned by the Jews a minute before and Il could no longer physically leave the danger zone.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 October 2018 14: 33
            0
            Quote: ultra
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Lock of Russians - led the IL-20 from a safe place to the air defense zone.

            Here you seem to be "don't eat on an armored train" but are talking complete nonsense! There was a warning from Israel about an attack in the north, at that time the IL-20 was in the area of ​​the alleged attack, he was given the command to leave the dangerous area, which was done, about the attack in the area of ​​the base was warned by the Jews a minute before and Il could no longer physically leave the danger zone.

            1) Check out Konashenkov’s second briefing. It says that during the defeat of targets in Latakia, the IL was in northern Syria. 200 km from the attacked objects.
            2) At 21:51 Konashenkov’s air defense of the SAA opened fire and the IL receives a command to FLY into the air defense work zone. There was no order to the Syrians to cease fire at the approach of IL.
            3) A warning about the attack was given at 21:38 Norkin, at 21:39 Konashenkov. The goals were hit at 21:50 - here the Jews and Russians agree. 4)
            The place of attack - according to the Israelis - Syria, North, Sunset from Cyprus. Jews did not talk about the base area at all.
            By Konashenkov - North of Syria.
            Here is the problem of "understanding information" and military topography. If they say to me in the Israeli army “attack in the North” - I will understand this as the North FROM ME - not Greenland and not Murmansk.
            The industrial facility in Latakia is the north-north-west of Hmeimim AB. North of Israel. The northwestern border of Syria with Turkey. Konashenkov’s claims that Israel warned of an attack in the North by packing West Syria are nonsense. West of AB Hmeimim is the sea.
            1. ultra
              ultra 17 October 2018 14: 46
              +1
              I watched carefully and recommend you.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 17 October 2018 16: 06
                0
                So do I. Both of them. Because the last thing I want is for "ours to fight ours."
    5. 046
      046 17 October 2018 11: 22
      -1
      "Although, it seems to me that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) Minutes the S-300 will be covered" - but after that all the flying Israeli Khan for ever and ever
    6. Imobile
      Imobile 17 October 2018 12: 40
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov

      Sorry guys. On the S-300 transferred to Syria, they are going to be held hostage for the sake of the Iranians. A kind of "human shield" in the vain hope that Israel will not dare to take serious action. Vain chores. If the S-300 will interfere with the Israelis, they will simply sweep them away. Alas...
      C-300 for Israelis - sunflower seeds. For the confrontation with such air defense systems they had been preparing for twenty years. Israel simply observes the rules of good tone and does not show the whole world that C-300 against the IDF Air Force cannot do anything.
      Although, I see that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) C-300 will be covered in minutes. I really hope that this time, this time will be enough for the Russian command to take its people out of the blow.
      I don’t know directly, to praise the minuses and the advantages of this forum. I myself did not understand why we put complexes there. It seems that they did it right, announced the delivery (all according to the rules of negotiations), but why put it? had to negotiate and bargain. And sell in parallel. It’s good that it’s not C400 - it would be utter sadness. Now it will be possible to declare that the C400 is many times superior to the C300, but against the backdrop of talk about the omnipotence of the C300, confidence will be undermined.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 38
        -1
        The goal of the Russian Federation is a base in the Eastern Mediterranean. Therefore, one must be loyal to the Syrians and deliver to them what they have long asked for.
    7. Benjamin Gnomes
      Benjamin Gnomes 18 October 2018 11: 47
      0
      [quote = A. Privalov]
      You’ll break your teeth with seeds)) you’ll lose all 50 of your planes, but there’ll be laughter)
    8. Robin - Bobbin
      Robin - Bobbin 18 October 2018 20: 07
      0
      This is what is called the sofa war of the sofa strategist.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2018 10: 21
    +2
    Americans and Jews have already begun to complex about the S-300. Promises to destroy in various ways sound daily, which gives reason to believe that they will not be destroyed. It is necessary to somehow maintain a good face in a bad game, and they are bombarding us with threats.
  12. Polkanov
    Polkanov 17 October 2018 10: 28
    +1
    Quote: brigadir
    Quote: Azazelo
    How the asses burn ... and this is all from a small number of rockets. Can also throw Iskander to the Syrians?

    Definitely worth it.
    What is the cost of living in the Saratov region? 3500 rubles like - 54 US dollars. You can still cut it. And the Syrian Iskander certainly needed.
    Good luck and good mood.

    ... well, you, against the background of arrogance and cursing, do not break your teeth the next time ...
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 17 October 2018 10: 29
    +1
    So there was a talk about the fact that the Iranians will work on the S-300 in Syria.
    And this is for hexagons like a red rag on a bull))
  14. vik669
    vik669 17 October 2018 10: 35
    -1
    Quote: Azazelo
    How do asses burn ... and

    And if there are five regiments and something else ...!
  15. Dym71
    Dym71 17 October 2018 10: 39
    +3
    Dear VO editorial board, your grateful reader from Israel, Mr. Rabinovich, nickname "Radon", is interested in:
    - "Who is the author of the article, why don't you subscribe?" request
    (he would have asked himself, but lately he has been neglected a lot)
    Sincerely, from Radion Rabinovich (rating: - 5190)
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 17 October 2018 11: 09
      +1
      "Don't lie on the phone, don't be rude on the phone."
      And for what purpose is he interested - let him clarify?
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 October 2018 12: 52
      -4
      Quote: Dym71
      Dear VO editorial board, your grateful reader from Israel, Mr. Rabinovich, nickname "Radon", is interested in:
      - "Who is the author of the article, why don't you subscribe?" request
      (he would have asked himself, but lately he has been neglected a lot)
      Sincerely, from Radion Rabinovich (rating: - 5190)


      Everyone has their own little joys in life. As well as disappointments - such as cons on the VO site laughing
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 17 October 2018 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Everyone has their own little joys in life. As well as disappointments - such as cons on the VO site

        And at the same time, I agree with Rabinovich that the reader must be informed about the primary source of information provided by the VO website.
      2. MOLODCHIK1
        MOLODCHIK1 17 October 2018 13: 12
        -1
        I suggest that Israeli shoulder straps do the cons!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 14
          -1
          I won’t soar if I stay without them at all laughing
  16. vik669
    vik669 17 October 2018 10: 40
    -1
    Quote: vadi64
    The brigadier general raves, trying to wishful thinking.

    Wanting is not harmful; it is harmful not to want!
  17. BAI
    BAI 17 October 2018 11: 03
    +1
    In general, I do not see a neutral way out of the situation. Someone will be disgraced - either the S-300 or the F-35. On someone's trading prospects a bold cross will be put.
    1. MOLODCHIK1
      MOLODCHIK1 17 October 2018 13: 16
      -2
      Most likely, they will be fucked from the ground so as not to disgrace the Russians.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 October 2018 13: 46
        -1
        Or from the sea
        Quote: MOLODCHIK1
        Most likely, they will be fucked from the ground so as not to disgrace the Russians.
      2. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 17 October 2018 14: 51
        0
        In response, fucking from the ground, from the sea to the airport, so as not to dishonor Israel with the states.
  18. vit357
    vit357 17 October 2018 11: 06
    +6
    Of course, I don’t understand much in Israeli affairs, but they’re bombing Syria not for concrete actions, but for possible aggressive actions on the part of Iran, it would be just as if Russia would start bombing Ukraine right now amid the deployment of NATO troops. Am I not right?
  19. Old26
    Old26 17 October 2018 11: 10
    +1
    Quote: Fedorov
    24 launchers, three divisions, plus electronic warfare stations. Not really deployed yet. Will they enter a single network, someone wants to check? I will not envy. Moreover, "friend or foe", one hundred percent Russian officers are sitting there in the commander's chair.

    The fact of the matter is that the biggest stupidity for Israel will wait for the complex to be deployed. About our officers in the commander’s chair. It may well be, especially since there is the same Vietnamese experience in this regard. But do not forget about the small details. If the enemy strikes at our complexes and at the same time (God forbid) our people die from calculations, then we have every right, as has been stated several times, to answer, having shot down not only the missiles themselves, but also their carriers.
    But if the complexes are transferred to the Syrian side, then our officers who move to the rank of advisers will no longer be protected from this. Roughly speaking, if the same Israel attacks the same S-300 and our people die, we will no longer be able to respond by destroying the same Israeli aircraft. Otherwise, we then need not to perform the functions of our contingent announced a few years ago, but to get involved 100% in this war, mind you "not ours"

    Quote: Azazelo
    How the asses burn ... and this is all from a small number of rockets. Can also throw Iskander to the Syrians?

    Why are you trifling on trifles? Throw in the "Voevoda" ...

    Quote: Semen1972
    Everything is much simpler, the Syrian Naro, obviously, are our brothers, they replaced us with Ukrainians, who turned into fascist-Bandera. Therefore, Syria must urgently be included in Russia. It is necessary not only to fight, but also to build hospitals, roads, factories there. Russians and Syrians are brothers forever !!!!

    Didn't you ask, they all, and not only the supporters of Basher Assad, consider us brothers? This is the respected East. And with all this in mind, there is a cauldron, a boiling cauldron of contradictions. The Assad family has been at the helm of Syria for probably half a century, I don't think everyone agrees with that. Plus, don't forget about religious differences. When the state is strong (or the ruler is strong), he tries to extinguish these contradictions. Moreover, not always by "democratic methods". More often than not, "dissent" (especially in religious terms) are driven underground or at the margins of political life. And they don't like it. And when the regime weakens, all this creeps out, When itself. when using help from abroad. so we can consider the Syrians to be anyone, even "brothers" or "sons-daughters". The question is, do they think ALL they are the same to us ...
    For some, they would really have taken a shoulder and they might consider us brothers, for others we are occupiers in their country. Though not so obvious. Afghanistan is repeating itself, though without an ideological layer. Therefore, if someone proposes to include Syria in Russia and shoulder all the hardships, including the war, he must understand that in the end we will be forced to leave there, with great casualties.

    Quote: Fedorov
    A small amount of ? Well, okay, let there not be 24 installations on alert, but 12 others of the type sleep, wash, repair. Each has 4 missiles. , you know how to multiply? There, and "Shells will be somewhere nearby. As an air defense officer I say - there is a khan in the sky.

    And nothing that there is such a term (every air defense officer knows it) - the probability of hitting the target. And how many aircraft in real life can shoot down 48 missiles? Which are unlikely to be concentrated in one place ... After all, these installations will not be opposed by bearded ISIS armed with machine guns, but by an adversary who has everything, including anti-radar missiles, trap missiles and other means of destruction. You shouldn't get euphoric. The same several divisions in Syria will not make the weather. They can beat their opponent (Israel). But not "close the skies of Syria from everyone." Several divisions are not enough there. And the main thing for this is that there should be NO COMBAT ACTIONS on earth, when all kinds of opponents sometimes act against the central government. Moderate to outrageous

    Quote: vadi64
    The brigadier general raves, trying to wishful thinking.
    Do not pay so much attention to the Amer military, thereby increasing the military-striped budget

    Of course raves, of course you should not pay attention. You just need to believe what they say with us, our media and our MO, and everything will be fine. True, then you should not scratch your turnips and wonder. "But how did it happen, we were told that ..."

    Quote: Hog
    Transfer to the Syrians, but declare that our specialists will be assigned to the launchers for maintenance.

    And what will it change. Launchers will be Syrian, which means for Israel a legitimate aim. And do not care who will serve them there. This will be a completely different category - advisers, not fighters of the regular Russian army

    Quote: Altona
    Quote: vadi64
    The brigadier general raves, trying to wishful thinking.

    --------------------
    Yes, there the whole military is sitting on the blast as much as they can’t eat. They want to shoot our air defense systems as that defenseless shell.

    And they will try to do it. The main thing for them will be what kind of reputational losses Russia will suffer. There will always be an opportunity for those who want to buy our air defense systems to declare: "Look what the Syrian S-300s could do. They not only failed ... but were also destroyed." And all means will be good for this, even the most unfit and fake ones. After all, the buyer will see first of all the debris of the launchers and think about what to buy. Russian C-xxx, which showed itself so, or all the same American "Patriots" (although they are obviously inferior to ours).

    Quote: Santor
    Russia and Syria have OFFICIALLY concluded a military alliance - whatever we want, we do it within the framework of international law. And I am sure that the S-300 crews will be covered from the ground. First of all, by systems of short-range air defense such as "Pantsir" plus security units, both regular and non-regular. And yet - the Israelis must understand that in this kind of war, prisoners are not taken. And second, that the attitude of the RF Armed Forces servicemen towards the state of Israel at the moment is very far from complacent, most likely they are strongly reasoned. The position of Israel itself, as well as the bacchanalia of the people of the chosen nation on television channels, in the ranks of all types of opposition, and the pouring of mud on Russia on the pages of the media belonging to the people of the chosen nation.

    Did you actually read the Russian-Syrian treaty? I'm afraid not. So there is not a word about automatic assistance by troops, there is not a word that we will fit into the hostilities. It is only said that in case of conflict with other countries, the country is a party to this agreement MAKES ALL DIPLOMATIC EFFORTSto settle this conflict.
    Complexes, of course, will be covered by short-range complexes, these are the basics. But only whose? Ours? I'm afraid not. Like security units, it is unlikely that they will be Russian. With a high degree of probability - Syrian plus a number of advisers, but not combat units. And since all these complexes will be Syrian, Israel has, sorry, free hands. They are at war with Syria and for the same Israel these complexes are a legitimate goal
    1. Hog
      Hog 17 October 2018 11: 50
      0
      Old26
      And what will it change. Launchers will be Syrian, which means for Israel a legitimate aim. And do not care who will serve them there. This will be a completely different category - advisers, not fighters of the regular Russian army

      Who said that these would be military advisers (who are a priori officers of the regular army), one can formulate a reason for finding these military personnel at the location of the S-300, as long as there is a desire.
  20. HMR333
    HMR333 17 October 2018 11: 13
    0
    Well, why worse could they unlearn their profits by very good operators, and only experience of use can prove or disprove them! moreover, there is an automatic system .... where you only need to confirm! and given that the system has set up a stranger’s current all the more! + full control as our says! + Air defense have already shown themselves and are clearly reinforced + Radio suppression is included in the chain so everything is very serious!
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 October 2018 11: 23
    0
    spoke about the fact that the transferred ATS Russian S-300 SAMs will be ultimately destroyed by Israel, for which he will find both a reason and a reason.
    ... then Israel may not exist ...
  22. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 17 October 2018 11: 31
    0
    No matter how the Israelis get into a rage, they still do not fly ..... and the possibility of destroying the S-300 from the ground is generally weak, given the enhanced protection of these facilities.
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  24. askort154
    askort154 17 October 2018 12: 30
    +2
    A. Privalov ....S-300 for Israelis - seeds. They have been preparing for a confrontation with such air defense systems for about twenty years.

    Privalov, do not tongue Turn on the logic. Why, then, did the Jews with the Americans urgently arrange exercises with the Ukrainian S-300 ?! crying
  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 October 2018 13: 16
    -1
    We need more "clubs" and more, let them beat on it for each raid of Israel, then move quickly, maybe they will be found there, but then the aggressors will wash themselves with blood before, and we are tested good
  26. Radon
    Radon 17 October 2018 14: 00
    0
    They have already been destroyed for a long time.
  27. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 October 2018 14: 31
    0
    It seemed to me, or is it really KRAZ in the photo to the article?
  28. high
    high 17 October 2018 15: 29
    0
    Russia is well aware that Israel will not allow Iran and its 300 Shiite militant group to gain a foothold in Syria. If this threatens Israel, it will destroy the S-XNUMX, whoever controls the installation.
    Already reminded, Israel was forced to attack an American ship (American soldiers died) and destroyed Syrian air defense in 1982. where were the Soviet advisers.
    If for the United States and Russia-Syria is an economic platform, then for Israel it is a matter of life ....
    Now that the radar recordings have been published, the myth has burst that the Israeli plane was hiding behind the IL-20: The bombing time of an Iranian target and the time of a Syrian missile hit are tens of minutes apart.
    Military professionals argue how the S-300 will be destroyed by aviation or ground means (if the installation will prevent Israel from fighting with Iran in Syria) ...
    Western media recalled that Israel has the most powerful army in the Middle East, has the support of Arab countries whose chiefs of general staff (Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Israel) consulted a few days ago on the fight against terrorism of Iran and its satellites.
  29. Old26
    Old26 17 October 2018 23: 08
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    What kind of talk about the belief that no one is afraid of Israel and it is invincible ... Yes, a couple of Iskanders at the airfield airfields, warning in 3 minutes (as in the case of IL-20) and blowing on the F-35, that’s all the power will be blown away at the moment ... Israel with the victims of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation crossed the red line (as they like to point out in the West), but they are punished for it ..

    wanted to play war games? Afghanistan with 13 thousand dead and several hundred thousand wounded forgotten, wanted to get into another shit? Oh well
    Who crossed the red line, Israel or our native Moscow region with that mess that sometimes exists, when they cover the first one to cover their ass, and then they start to customize everything for their first statement, as Konoshenkov does ???

    Quote: Hog
    Old26
    And what will it change. Launchers will be Syrian, which means for Israel a legitimate aim. And do not care who will serve them there. This will be a completely different category - advisers, not fighters of the regular Russian army

    Who said that these would be military advisers (who are a priori officers of the regular army), one can formulate a reason for finding these military personnel at the location of the S-300, as long as there is a desire.

    If we TRANSFER complexes THE ARMED FORCES OF SYRIA, then their services can be carried out either by Syrian military personnel or Russian advisers. There are no legal grounds for having officers of the regular army of Russia there, if they are not advisers, there are no such grounds.

    How can you reason to send officers of the Russian armed forces to another army? Which variant? These are either mercenaries, which will not happen, or advisers. This was the case in all conflicts in which the Soviet Union took part when it did not take a direct part in the war. so it was in Vietnam, in the Middle East, in the same Syria and Egypt. The 10th Main Directorate of the General Staff was engaged in this. Formally, being officers of the Russian (Soviet army), these people are in other armies. They have their own subordination, but at the same time, these officers can be dressed in the uniform of the army in which they are advisers

    Quote: Normal ok
    It seemed to me, or is it really KRAZ in the photo to the article?

    KRAZ. Options with towed launchers were EMNIP always on the chassis of KRAZ
  30. Bellerophon
    Bellerophon 18 October 2018 21: 39
    0
    A month of silence in the Syrian sky says a lot. The parties are looking for a formula for further mutual existence. RUSSIA paid a high price - it has the right to dictate terms.
    1. jack
      jack 18 October 2018 22: 53
      0
      What could be the formula in the complete absence of mutual trust?
      1. Bellerophon
        Bellerophon 19 October 2018 11: 36
        0
        TRUST is not the only component in the relations of states actively operating in SYRIA. INTERFERENCE OF INTERESTS, both strategic and tactical, plays an equally important role. LOSS OF TRUST between RUSSIA AND ISRAEL - irreparable. CONCERNING POLITICAL INTERESTS - will inevitably force Russia and Israel to seek a way out of the CRISIS and an acceptable formula for relations.