"Krasuha" does not threaten Israel

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Oh, how many times have the world been told that stupidity is dangerous! Today it becomes even scary for those who are not friends with us. They have a new nightmare. Comprehensive and maddening.

The name of the nightmare is “Krasuha”.





Terrible name, I agree. Memorable. It is a pity that this generally good EW system (actually there are more steep, but less raspiarennye) now have, apparently, be responsible for everything.

Yes, if earlier Putin was to blame for everything that was not happening in the world, now, Krasukha will begin to slowly but surely catch up with him.

“According to the experts of the Avia.pro publication, failures in the work of the Iron Dome system could have occurred due to the Russian EW complex Krasuha-4, which, by its electromagnetic effect,“ drove crazy ”Israeli radar radar facilities.”

Well, what kind of "experts" is such an opinion.

Well, I absolutely do not pretend to this title, just more than once in the preparation of materials about the same “Krasukh” (2 and 4) I communicated with real experts. The officers who work at the stations. Well, plus some training was in this area for a long time, but it was.

I would like to advise the "experts" themselves not to go crazy. And then "Krasuha" is not terrible. It is not so terrible, first of all, the radar system of the Israeli anti-missile defense system - if only because it is not intended for this purpose at all.

"The technical capabilities of Krasukh really allow us to confuse enemy radar stations, including on missile defense systems."

Applause. But the words are completely confused. Not "technically", but "theoretically."

Theoretically, yes, the filling of the “Krasukha-4” generates a beam of waves, capable of ... That's just not to confuse someone, but to disable or significantly impede the work of certain systems on certain devices.

And it is not a secret that these devices are flying. This could be a plane (very unpleasant), a UAV (fatal), a cruise missile (also fatal).

Gentlemen “experts” do not understand that each EW complex is created for specific tasks. And there is simply no one anywhere in the world of systems capable of simultaneously fooling air defense radars, knocking cruise missiles off course, and landing UAVs.

This is all possible, I do not argue. But for this we need completely different complexes.

But apparently, remembering more than three items for an “expert” is simply unrealistic. So “Krasuha” is our everything!

"The details of the EW complexes are classified, but it is known that the Krasukh range is about 150-300 kilometers."

Ha, 150 and 300 - wow spread? Okay, let's take 150, and even that is conditional, because no one will cancel beam dispersion, even the “expert” of the 100 level. Even with Avia.pro. This is physics, a very stubborn and constant thing.

“This means that the complex worked directly from Gaza. It is rather difficult to admit, since the system "Krasuha-4" consists of two rather large cars and Israeli intelligence would certainly have spotted them. There would be a grand scandal accusing Russia of helping Hamas. ”

That is not the little things guys. Yes that there from Gaza, directly from the tunnel worked under the border of "Krasuha". Well at least, they left the path of retreat for themselves, having truly admitted that two such cities are not hefty in the desert — who should you be?

Plus, the “experts” somehow avoided the fact that Krasukha is searching in the passive mode and is virtually invisible to the enemy, but if we say that the complex was operating in combat mode and in fact suppressed the missile defense radar, forcing the missiles to launch nowhere, what to do with the possible detection in fact?

Oh yeah, Israel is unable to detect the work of the EW system of Russia with its own means of technical control ...

Well, then you can only sympathize with the Israeli military and not only them.

“Not only them” - it is about those who write such nonsense, and those who read and applaud.

I agree, it's nice to shout "Hurray!" And blindly believe that one EW complex "Krasuha-4" can not only suppress the detection system of the "Iron Dome" at a distance of 300 kilometers.

Sorry, but the Earth is a ball ... Alas, it is possible that for many “experts” this will be a discovery, but it is so. And the physics of our Universe is such that, alas, a beam of electromagnetic waves will have certain problems in hitting the target 300 km, being released by the AFSA “Krasukhi”. Not in any region this can be turned, especially if the complex and the target are approximately at the same level. Alas.

I feel sorry for these “experts”, it was possible to get acquainted with the non-classified data on “Krasukha-4” (we wrote about it already 2 a year ago) and understand by whom and how this complex can work.

But the easiest way is once again to make yourself stupid and joyfully proclaim that yes, the “Iron Dome” has covered the “Krasukha”! Fear Israel! Here we will show you!

The whole problem is that there are military in Israel who understand everything perfectly. And, perhaps, even something they know about the possibilities of "Ruby." I am silent about the USA, intelligence there is working tirelessly. So sure there have an idea what "Krasuha-4" is.

It is a pity that we have "experts", and from a light hand, and some media continue to carry nonsense. Disgrace themselves and mislead readers.
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  1. +9
    17 October 2018 05: 43
    nonsense, nonsense and lies are in trend. what to say about some kind of "experts" if high-ranking officials from the same "democratic countries" are obviously stupid, and even our "pearls" slip through. "about times, about morals ..." (C) Cicero.
    1. +3
      17 October 2018 06: 04
      About TTX ... We have that secrecy has already been completely canceled ... Does everyone know?
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 06: 16
        Quote: Vard
        Does everyone know everything?

        Especially the Jews ... they have already studied the S-300 up and down smile they are not even afraid of the S-400 ... they are openly threatening to wipe Khmeimim off the face of the earth ... correctly, Yurievich speaks of morals about times.
      2. +5
        17 October 2018 06: 40
        Quote: Vard
        About TTX ... We have that secrecy has already been completely canceled ... Does everyone know?

        well, at least that everyone knows the Earth round, but they forget right there when an unparalleled honey is pouring into their ears
        1. +9
          17 October 2018 08: 48
          well, at least that everyone knows the Earth round, But all early it stands on three pillars
        2. +1
          17 October 2018 09: 28
          Quote: Tlauicol
          well, at least that the Earth is round everyone knows
          The author of the article also forgot this and did not write anything about the radio horizon. Kraukha can't fly so she can influence ground radars
          1. +3
            17 October 2018 14: 08
            Quote: Mimoprohodil
            The author of the article also forgot this and did not write anything about the radio horizon. Kraukha can't fly so she can influence ground radars

            =========
            Well, Skomorokhov - THIS IS SKOROMOKHOV!!!
            As for the "ground radars - Well, of course it CAN !!! .... But not 300 km, and not even 150 !!! And so -" closer "... How much" closer "- this is NOT to me! This is for Designers and Operators !!!
            The problem here is not WHERE the radar is located (on the ground or in the air), but in the "algorithm" of signal suppression !!! The radio horizon is also a "relative" thing .... If the radar station is located on a "beep" (so 500-800 meters), and usually they try to put them like this (the higher, the greater the viewing radius), then you can "jam" it from a pretty decent distance! Well, not 300 km, of course, but closer ...
            If someone thinks that there are no such "peas" THERE, they are DEEPLY mistaken !!! THERE IS!!!
            All of this, however, DOES NOT MEAN that:
            1) That "Krasuhi" - there WERE ...
            2) That "they" "suppressed" someone .....
            PS All this "stuffing" is intended solely to blame Russia once again for "all mortal sins" .... Well, to provide itself ("the beloved sons of Israel") "indulgence" for strikes on Lebanon and Syria! !! am
          2. +1
            18 October 2018 14: 29
            Why can't it? Under mild conditions, it can. She has a small negative angle for UA. (See TTX 1RL257E).
            1. 0
              20 October 2018 15: 42
              It remains to find an 8-kilometer hill for a range of 300 km
        3. +3
          17 October 2018 09: 28
          The shape of the Earth is not round - it is a simplification. There is a special term - a geoid.
      3. +6
        17 October 2018 11: 36
        The frequency range on which the radar of the iron dome operates implies a rectilinear propagation of radiation.
        You cannot interfere with the receiver without being in direct line of sight
        The laws of physics have not been canceled
        1. jjj
          -1
          17 October 2018 12: 01
          Putting a shadow on the fence is a good thing to demoralize the enemy
          1. AUL
            +5
            17 October 2018 18: 28
            Experts divorced around - spit, so you get into an expert! I recall the story of Cook and Khibiny. Oh, experts have been clever in wit around diapers and diarrhea! Then, however, it turned out that Khibiny was not at all for burning electronics on destroyers, and Cook's team did not suffer from diarrhea and, moreover, did not quit the system from service. But practiced wit then plenty!
    2. +9
      17 October 2018 19: 53
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      nonsense, nonsense and lies - in a trend

      Shame themselves and mislead readers.
      - Roman Skomorokhov.
      Example: during the start of NATO's Operation Desert Storm, the power of electronic warfare systems was sufficient to jam our radars on the Black Sea coast. Not completely, but sectors of "highlights" and bearings were clear. And this is more than 1000 km and the interference itself was put by the electronic warfare systems, much less powerful than the ground ones.
      Sorry, but the Earth is a ball ... Alas
      it is sad that the "couch expert Skomorokhov" has no idea about the ionosphere. I advise you to read, so as not to network into a puddle and not to mislead readers.
      About 10 years ago, a small system for testing air defense systems and automated control systems was developed at the Ashuluk training ground, which generated small power pulse-response noise (SIP), which is the mode in all electronic warfare systems. Such interference generators allow not only checking the performance of any radar and ACS simulating a signal from a real target, but also using progamic methods to create scenarios of real raids with complex target trajectories.
      Therefore, for any modern complex of electronic warfare of the gigahertz range, there is no problem generating an IPR due to the radio horizon and creating an imitation of the flight of a real target or even a massive strike with multiple overload of the enemy’s information system, as a result of which he will not be able to distinguish real and false targets.
      Undoubtedly, most modern radars have protection against such interference, first of all, it is frequency tuning from pulse to pulse and systems of spatial signal selection. But we must not forget that the "iron dome" was created to counter underground bandit formations, which do not have any electronic systems at all, no communications, no navigation, no target designation, capable of launching only rockets according to the principle of "who will they send". Therefore, the absence of elementary anti-jamming systems in the "iron dome" system is quite logical.
      there intelligence works tirelessly.
      that is why the OIP is unique in that they do not form bearings at radars, and SRT (electronic reconnaissance complexes), in principle, do not have spatial selection systems and for them the signal that from the radar "iron dome", that from the simulator of electronic warfare located hundreds of km away will be absolutely identical.
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  2. +3
    17 October 2018 06: 35
    Beauty, khibiny, zircon and Konashenkov press conferences generally have a detrimental effect on the brain! Tested on hamsters
  3. 0
    17 October 2018 06: 56
    Here, in connection with the fact "that not our electronic warfare systems for KumPol worked," the question "What infection did Kupal pick up and who brought it to him?" I think that the fact that he found something for himself and shot himself is no longer just a problem, but the bells of the alarm ... After all, he (the dome) can himself (or himself), work out for real, for example, peaceful targets (aircraft).
    In general, there is something to think about and analyze the situation.
    1. +1
      17 October 2018 06: 58
      PS For those who are not understanding, the first part is a joke of humor.
  4. 0
    17 October 2018 07: 59
    But still, the sense of pride in domestic electronic warfare systems by the author prevails over sarcasm ..
  5. BAI
    +2
    17 October 2018 09: 32
    EW "Krasuha-4" is able to not only suppress the detection system of the Iron Dome at a distance of 300 kilometers.

    I agree with the author. At such a distance, even a nuclear explosion will not suppress, and it makes no sense to compare the energy of the explosion and the energy of Krasuha.
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  7. +3
    17 October 2018 10: 23
    I agree, it's nice to shout "Hurray!" And blindly believe that one EW complex "Krasuha-4" can not only suppress the detection system of the "Iron Dome" at a distance of 300 kilometers.

    Novel! Of course it's nice to shout cheers and believe in something, even if it contradicts the elementary laws of physics. How to write comrade tlauicol

    Quote: Tlauicol
    well, at least that everyone knows the Earth round but they forget right away that when no-one has flowing into the ears of honey in the world

    Well, I want these experts to believe that everything. what they say is true. And this applies not only to electronic warfare. Any system that has no analogs in the world goes through this. The truth is then more or less reasonable begin to wonder, "and why ....", "we were told that ....."
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  11. +12
    17 October 2018 11: 57
    - Comrades soldiers! Here is a new, secret example of electronic warfare equipment. It is capable of operating at temperatures from -500 to +500 degrees Celsius ...
    - Comrade Major! Temperature -500 Celsius does not happen!
    - Who said?
    - Scientists say!
    - I repeat for those who are near-by: the SECRET equipment! Scientists may not know about this!
  12. -1
    17 October 2018 13: 43
    In war as in war request if it is true
  13. 0
    17 October 2018 15: 07
    They forgot about elephants and a turtle! angry
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  15. -2
    17 October 2018 18: 24
    Roman, this is the first time I agree with you. And by the way, the style is different, huh?
  16. -1
    17 October 2018 18: 42
    Quote: Old26
    True, then more or less reasonable begin to wonder, "and why ....", "We were told that ....."

    No. The rational have a mind and understand what they are told or written.
    And start to be surprised, deaf, dull and dull. What far to go, here on the forum in almost every topic a bunch of tantrums gets divorced with a complaint to the author or the Defense Ministry or someone else. And when you start to show that the article says something completely different and you need to at least read it with your eyes, no one will ever admit their mistake.
  17. +1
    17 October 2018 18: 46
    Lord. Well, everyone laughed at the experts - not the experts. Here they are, and we wow! We are all experts.
    Only it is not interesting to anyone.
    There was some kind of failure at the Iron Dome, for the public, Russia and its Krauchs were accused of this - that's all. Just that would not substitute themselves and not show their mistakes. This is the most common, primitive trick. No need to bathe in such a crowd. If necessary, then some experts will be asked and written what is needed. The task was different. Never think everyone is idiots.
  18. -3
    17 October 2018 19: 51
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Beauty, khibiny, zircon and Konashenkov press conferences generally have a detrimental effect on the brain! Tested on hamsters

    good good good laughing hi
  19. +2
    17 October 2018 20: 51
    I don’t know why there was a failure in the Israeli air defense, maybe the duty officer just poured coffee on the console, but of course this is not Krasukha, Krasukha's tasks are different - to blind aircraft, from cruise missiles and UAVs to AWACS over a very large radius. But it is effective to blind you to "milk" and drive the radars crazy, there are dozens of other well-known and classified systems at a great and very long distance. The same "Lever AB", which are probably also tested in real conditions in the SAR, and therefore it is quite possible that some systems, for prevention or simply being tested on neighboring Israeli missile defense systems. That is why the avia pro experts may have been wrong, but not by much.
    The capabilities of Russian electronic warfare systems in the complex can deceive or destroy almost everything in which there is electronics at a very long distance. They were created under the frequency of NATO, against NATO weapons. In Israel, the American Patriot.
    1. 0
      25 November 2018 23: 06
      What a patriot!
      What a failure?
      If you mean the last confrontation, then out of 400+ launched missiles, with a stretch of the mind, you can count 4 missiles that reached the target.
      1% !!!!
      You understand that talking about failure and success is not serious.
      By the way, this is despite the fact that in the south at this time there was an acute shortage of these batteries.
      According to rumors, a maximum of 2. Each covered a radius exceeding its optimal capabilities.
      Moreover, the statement that there was "rubella" from the realm of fantasy in Aza.
      As well as the assumption that they could do something from the north of Syria.
      I’m not talking about technical capabilities, but that if this had been done it would have been suppressed by the same installations from Israel.
      Just someone wants to catch a trump and advertise the installation and invented and failures and all that jazz.
  20. 0
    17 October 2018 20: 54
    An attempt to level the facts leaked into the network is not counted. Nobody will believe you. :)
  21. 0
    17 October 2018 23: 17
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: Old26
    True, then more or less reasonable begin to wonder, "and why ....", "We were told that ....."

    No. The rational have a mind and understand what they are told or written.
    And start to be surprised, deaf, dull and dull. What far to go, here on the forum in almost every topic a bunch of tantrums gets divorced with a complaint to the author or the Defense Ministry or someone else. And when you start to show that the article says something completely different and you need to at least read it with your eyes, no one will ever admit their mistake.

    Perhaps I agree that no more or less reasonable, but deaf, dull and dull, as you write. But at least they begin to understand, and this is progress. And there is a category that will continue to stand its ground.
    1. 0
      18 October 2018 13: 38
      I agree.
  22. -1
    18 October 2018 03: 04
    Quote: Mimoprohodil
    Kraukha can't fly

    and the ensign said that he was flying ... only very low!
  23. +3
    18 October 2018 11: 13
    Well, once again it remains to say thanks to Roman Skomorokhov for the correct and adequate material!
  24. 0
    18 October 2018 11: 30
    Uvren Perhaps there are no known Krasukha yet, but you can be sure that these possibilities are beyond the limits. Suffice it to recall what our HIBIN did with the Destroyer Cook, the whole crew filed reports !!!
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    2. 0
      19 October 2018 21: 12
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      Uvren Perhaps there are no known Krasukha yet, but you can be sure that these possibilities are beyond the limits. Suffice it to recall what our HIBIN did with the Destroyer Cook, the whole crew filed reports !!!

      This joke has a very long beard. Adequacy in assessing the enemy has not prevented anyone.
  25. 0
    18 October 2018 11: 51
    Wait a second ... Krasukha's tasks: "Covering command posts, groupings of troops, air defense systems, important industrial and administrative-political facilities. The complex analyzes the type of signal and affects the enemy's radar with jamming radiation. Suppress spy satellites, ground-based radars and AWACS aircraft systems. . "
    Let the author explain to me why it is in relation to the "dome" that Krasukha cannot influence the guidance radar, and why the "dome" operating in the automatic mode of detecting and hitting targets cannot make a false alarm on the basis of unreliable data from its radar?
  26. +1
    18 October 2018 15: 30
    Every time I read comments like "the most", "unparalleled in the world," and the like, I remember with sadness the times when the latest weapons systems were not only not discussed in the media, but even they were not mentioned. If some information was leaked in the media, then the leak was very metered and more often had the task of not informing its readers, but misinforming other readers. In addition, they tried not to publish anything about some weapon systems, in particular, electronic warfare systems, and if someone, something, somewhere "blather", then it was called an unauthorized leak of information or simply the disclosure of military secrets and the authors of "blather" quickly found and took appropriate measures. In addition, until the end of comprehensive testing of new types of weapons, it was considered bad form to beat yourself in the chest and boast of unfinished work. And even the successes and failures of weapons systems in local conflicts were not discussed publicly, but in a narrow circle of developers of these systems and their customers with the development of appropriate action plans as well as "punishing the innocent and rewarding the innocent." just unacceptable to spread. After all, we are depriving our "partners" of a piece of bread who are forced to reduce the staff of intelligence services. Russians already give everything that they would like to know to these services. On the other hand, we shout hurray and throw our caps into the air without having sufficient grounds for this, especially when, instead of discussing a specific type of weapon, slogans such as "will" are discussed or intentions to have this model in the not very distant future, i.e. in twenty or thirty years ... if, of course, they give money. And then it turns out that there is no money either, and no one was going to give it, and there is no one and nothing to do this "miracle". Therefore, guys, let's somehow be more restrained and more modest. There will be no harm from this but no benefit.
    1. 0
      20 October 2018 18: 06
      I agree, but other times and other mores! Although, I think, our FSB looks into VO. While the talkers live in the world ....
  27. 0
    23 October 2018 08: 12
    All friends are with Russia ...... and Turks, and Jews, and ...... further in the alphabet And they fly 200 cargoes to their homeland. There are krasukhas, there are 300, there are 400, ...... so who or what not? Will and no mind ........
  28. 0
    25 November 2018 22: 54
    In general, both squealing articles and comments write such nonsense !!!
    Of course, I can be accused of the fact that I do not know anything secret :-)).
    But they do not understand that they are making such primitive mistakes that those living next to them are not only obvious, but funny.
    That you are fixated on "kipat barzel" - an iron dome.
    This system with a limited radius of 4 to 30 km against low-flying missiles, mortars, drones.
    And she's doing great. For the last time, out of 400 ++ missiles, only 4 somehow hit the target.
    And it is known that there was an acute shortage of batteries in the south, and Hamas competently launched large volleys.
    And those missiles that went through, hit somewhere nearby on the houses bordering the outskirts, and because of the lack of missile defense they took the risk and missed it.
    At the same time, they who launched the rockets acted in deluxe conditions.
    The prime minister ordered not to hit them. did not want an aggravation.
    What caused a sharp conflict in the government and then the Minister of Defense resigned in disagreement.
    I understand that it’s hard for you to understand.
    Almost everything you analyze based on your realities in Russia.
    Rather, it’s not even realities, but that pink fantasy that many of you have created for your own comfort.
    But here is a different situation.
    I’ll say a phrase, and those of you who figure out what’s going to start will somehow understand.
    Hamas attacks on Israel for 1.5 days were the hardest problems of Egypt and Qatar.

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