Military Review

Without direct involvement can not do! Changes that can change the Donbass strategy of Moscow

156
A number of very important and illustrative military-political, operational-tactical and social-religious events occurred in the 2018 year that was derailed by the Square in the second week of October. If we analyze the epic with the illegal provision of autocephaly of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine by the Synod of Constantinople, which is very successfully promoted with the support of the illegitimate President Poroshenko and Patriarch Bartholomew, as well as with fanfare of the nationalists arriving in Kiev and bought by the Ukrainian top, ” stock


Firstly, this is the final introduction of complete destabilization into the integral and long-established configuration of world Orthodoxy, which should maximize the degree of tension in the interaction between the supporters of this perfidious solution and his opponents, which will inevitably lead to unrest in the unfavorable “independent”. Secondly, this is a distraction of the public from much more significant military-political events occurring in parallel with the “church lawlessness”.



Naturally, the latter are fraught with an order of magnitude more devastating consequences, which only one “player” will have to rake, which four years ago made a strategic miscalculation, becoming the guarantor of the practically unviable and counterproductive “Minsk format” and also limited to the “simplified” version of New Russia only 1 / 3 territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions. This time, when the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, supported by the Pentagon, is already ready to launch an offensive operation at least in the 2-x operational directions of the Donbass theater of operations (Telmanovsky and Novoazovsky), it is no longer possible to disregard what is happening with the help of the corona "expression of concern" if the first line of defense of the 1 th AK NAM DNR was successfully broken through on the same section of the 35-kilometer Telman’s isthmus, for which the 36-I separate brigade of the so-called naval infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is preparing, and 56- I am a motorized infantry and 79-I airborne assault brigade, the situation can get out of control not only in the southern part of the Donetsk People's Republic, but also in the border areas of the Rostov region.

Unfortunately, such spitting, expressed in allegedly accidental / side blows of artillery batteries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the residential infrastructure of the Russian cities of Donetsk, Gukovo, as well as the farms of Primiusky and Vasetsky (Rostov Region), Moscow “safely” wiped during June-July 2014, the very height of the hostilities for the liberation of the eastern and southern districts of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics, only once “snapping” from the MLRS 9K51 “Grad” on the junta’s particularly active artillery positions. And despite the fact that, according to official data, at least one citizen of the Russian Federation received injuries incompatible with life during those blasphemous attacks and another 9 was injured, supporters of Minsk-1 / 2 continued to mistakenly pin hopes on the awakening of common sense in the heads of the Kiev elite.

How many victims such a position turned out in the end, we know well. But if we are guided by the purely operational-tactical situation that developed in the Donbass in the summer - 2014 in the autumn, then we can conclude that the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces as a whole and the command of the Southern Military District in particular had the opportunity to almost completely disengage from participating in hostilities on the side of the then the militia, providing only a decent "North Wind", because the tactical knowledge, experience of conducting combat operations of drugs, as well as the operational suitability of the APU armored component were critical ki low level. Consequently, at that time, Moscow was confident in the success of the formation of defensive lines by the emerging 1 and 2 army corps of the LDNR People’s Militia, as well as the possibility of carrying out an equally successful and lightning counteroffensive on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Today the situation is much more complicated. Firstly, the majority of mechanized units of the Armed Forces, located on the contact line, due to the prolonged absence of an active phase of hostilities, have an combat readiness of armored vehicles of about 70-80%. Secondly, almost all tank the Ukrainian army’s fleet is equipped with active defense complexes (from standard “Contact-1” and “Contact-5” to much more advanced “Doublets”, “Knives” and “Shields” that provide the main battle tanks T-64BV / BM “Bulat” and T-72A is equivalent resistance from armor-piercing feathered subcaliber shells of the order of 850-900 mm, and from cumulative - about 1050-1200 mm), and therefore pierce the frontal projections of these machines using the usual BOPS “Lekalo”, “Vant” and “Hairpin”, or monoblock ATGMs "Baby", "Metis" and "Competition" are unlikely to succeed (with the exception of the undisguised section of the gun mask and the mounting sector of the infrared spotlight). Only anti-tank missile systems such as Competition-M, Kornet-E and Chrysanthem-S equipped with ATGMs with tandem cumulative warheads can save the situation.

Thirdly, several dozen restored T-80B / BV T-1B / BV tanks have already come into service with the tank units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Despite the fact that these machines do not have the best equivalent durability from BOPS and CS due to the presence of the ancient DZ "Contact-1,3", they have much better speed capabilities both on the highway and on rough terrain. Consequently, to make a breakthrough along the line of Belaya Kamenka - Kuznetsovo-Mikhaylovka (in the direction of the border between the DPR and the Rostov region), the tank units of the APU can be approximately 1,4 — 64 times faster than using the T-217BT MBT. Some may note that such an action is fraught for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a new Telman boiler or a complete defeat, because the defense of the republic organized a mass production of the 9600-mm MLRS "Cheburashka" with a range of 64 and 36 guides on each combat vehicle - PU, which will burn Ukrainian tanks formations in the course of promotion through the forest-steppe area of ​​the southern part of Donbass. But not everything is so simple here. Despite the fact that “Cheburashka” is indeed an excellent rocket launcher system, the APU received from our American “colleagues” a sufficient number of counter battery AN / TPQ-1 (V) “Firefinder” radars to determine the positions of most XNUMX-12 gun batteries and rocket artillery go AK NM DND on the Southern Front. Consequently, after the very first "otvetok" the coordinates of the Donbass gunners-defenders will be calculated from the ascending branch of the trajectory of the shells, and a massive suppression fire will follow.

Considering that Firefiders transferred to Ukrainian formations operate in a centimeter X-band (8 — 12 GHz), it will definitely not be possible to suppress them with the help of NM DPR’s operational EW systems for disrupting the operation of tactical communication systems and GPS radio navigation system modules . And therefore, without the direct participation of the Russian Armed Forces in the next escalation in the Donbass theater, it is unlikely that the republic can be defended. Indeed, for only one calculation of the positions of the Ukrainian AN / TPQ-36 at night (it is at this time, the Ukrainian Armed Forces usually carry out offensive actions) an aircraft of the optical and radio reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214Р is needed, which later transfers the coordinates of the working Firefinders to ground stations with further retransmission to the battery communications of the artillery units of the DPR army.

In connection with the latest statement, the press secretary of the President of Russia, Dmitry Peskov, in which a high-ranking official said that “Moscow will not respond to the possible use of weapons Kiev in the Donbass due to the fact that Russia is not a party to the conflict, ”the network created fertile emotional ground for raising anti-Russian sentiments among supporters of Novorossia and the republics of Donbass. Nevertheless, such a statement can be interpreted as the next stage in bringing Kiev’s vigilance to sleep to further implement tougher responses to Poroshenko’s new shares and companies, while without direct military assistance from Russia, the Donbass, in the event of an escalation, certainly will not.

In order to come to a similar conclusion, it is enough to pay attention to the fact that already since 2019, the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics are even more closely integrated into the Russian economic structure, taking Russian scientific production standards and certification as a basis. However, we note that Moscow needs to begin more harshly and quickly suppress the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because as a result of the “Minsk fuss” and the last criminal Poroshenko’s decree in the LDNR, Ukrainian militants killed at least 6 civilians, including a young girl, as a result of artillery fire. (2001 year of birth).

Information sources:
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/an_tpq-36/
https://ria.ru/religion/20181011/1530480970.html
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/kontakt5_.htm
http://btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/bulat_dz.htm
Author:
156 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2018 05: 54
    +29
    Nevertheless, we note that Moscow needs to begin to more stringently and efficiently suppress the actions of the Armed Forces,
    nevertheless, let us note that first, you need to decide on the status of the republics, and draw up some pieces of paper ... and only then "suppress".
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 October 2018 06: 33
        +35
        Alexey, here's what I will answer ... Any careless step .. WHAT threatens us? Disconnection from the Internet? Probably waiting for SP2 to finish? It turns out to be a wedge of light converging? The country was brought to the state of "a man in a case" .. How would something didn't work out.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 October 2018 08: 02
          -37
          What the hell are we supposed to bring war to our home?

          Does LDNR want to become part of Russia? Not. Such an issue is not on the agenda. Do you want Russia to become an aggressor and attack one of the European countries? For what? Protect Russian speakers? And you know that there 50 / 50 cat would like to stick to Russia, and who does not. So will it be liberation or capture? They will meet us with flowers during the day, and shoot us in the back at night? They have such experience ...

          Ukrainians must themselves be ill with Bandera. To drive the disease deeper - this means leaving an unresolved problem to our descendants in the future.
          1. AnpeL
            AnpeL 17 October 2018 08: 23
            +29
            Boris, unfortunately, Ukrainians will not be able to overcome such a problem on their own and there are many decisive factors here, they include propaganda and resentment for recent defeats in geography, politics and many others, but the main thing is the struggle at all levels with the so-called dissidents of their own, those. loyal to Russia, to the Russian world as a whole, opposing themselves to the current criminal authorities. This struggle is waged at all levels and it is impossible to provide resistance to individual citizens. They will not even be given the opportunity to unite in any societies, organizations, groups, because immediately transferred to the category of terrorist, extremist grouped, supporters of the country ahressor.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 17 October 2018 08: 31
              -42
              Quote: AnpeL
              Unfortunately, Ukrainians will not be able to overcome this problem on their own

              But they did not listen to Putin at the time that there was no need to hold a referendum on secession, and what did it lead to? To the civil war, and now they want us to correct their mistakes for them with their blood?

              Do we need this? Do we need coffins with our guys to come to every city, town, village? After all this is what the so-called "patriots" shout about ...

              In general, I am categorically against it. We will help with humanitarian aid, everything else - ourselves.

              Yes, and we must not forget that LDNR is a CIA project, with the active support of our fifth column.
              1. URAL72
                URAL72 17 October 2018 16: 26
                +21
                Ball, you dunce !!! I don’t even want to explain anything, to teach a fool, only to spoil. And another feeling of disgust ...
              2. malyvalv
                malyvalv 18 October 2018 04: 27
                +6
                Yeah. The CIA knows how to respond powerfully. In response to the Kremlin-sponsored Maidan (according to Gordon), the CIA responded by creating LDNR.
          2. Altona
            Altona 17 October 2018 09: 14
            +37
            Quote: Boris55
            Ukrainians must themselves be ill with Bandera. To drive the disease deeper - this means leaving an unresolved problem to our descendants in the future.

            ----------------------
            Boris, when you get sick with bourgeoisness and Putin's personality cult and start looking at things not from a capitalist, but from an international and humanistic perspective, then we will listen to your position. So far, your position is "we'll sit, wait, let the neighbor's house burn, maybe ours won't burn." The point is that the war will come anyway, it's not for nothing that a separatist supposedly nationalist gadyushnik is being raised there.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 17 October 2018 09: 37
              -4
              this means leaving an unresolved problem to our descendants in the future.
              In this, Boris is unequivocally right, they must be ill and develop a stable hostility towards the West and Bandera Shukhevych in particular. And to help or not to help, you need to look at the situation, according to the availability of your capabilities (army and economy), how our allies will react to this, well, like allies, etc.
              1. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 17 October 2018 12: 44
                +7
                To develop a steady hostility? But why do the regions under the control of the Ishilovites not generate hostility? The same Afghans. Where do they dislike drugs and the states? Yes, and in capital countries, what is the hostility to capitalism?
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 17 October 2018 14: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Mister Creed
                  But why do the regions under the control of the Ishilovites not generate hostility?

                  I would not say that, even at the beginning of the war in Syria, everyone who was not too lazy to criticize Assad, and now there is 90% or so support among the population and the local elite! Got enough freedom and "correct" religion. hi
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 17 October 2018 10: 22
              -15
              Quote: Altona
              Boris, when you get bourgeois over the cult of Putin’s personality and start looking at things not from a capitalist perspective, but from an international and humanistic perspective,

              I have repeatedly stated that I am against any kind of exploitation of man by man, that I am a Bolshevik who defends the interests of the majority.

              I am not making a god out of Putin. I have complaints against him, but due to the fact that I do not possess even a fraction of the information that daily falls on his table, I can only judge his activities by his deeds. Compared to what country he accepted and what is - this is heaven and earth. The latest "May Decrees" aimed at improving the well-being of citizens are quite satisfactory to me. So why should I oppose him?

              Quote: Altona
              but from an international and humanistic perspective

              What international are you for? The last comrade Stalin dispersed in 1943. What again ravens flocked?

              Quote: Altona
              So far, your position is "we'll sit, wait, let the neighbor's house burn, maybe ours won't burn."

              Of all the six management priorities, you understand only the last one - the power one, which they switch to when the war on all other management priorities is lost. In essence, you are shouting: "Rus, give up!" Fig you! The "Minsk Agreements" are one of the elements of a war on higher priorities. If the war is lost in the information sense, then there is no need to count on victory in the hot one.

              1. Altona
                Altona 17 October 2018 10: 27
                +18
                Quote: Boris55
                Of all the six management priorities, you understand only the last one - the power one, which they switch to when the war on all other management priorities is lost. In essence, you are shouting: "Rus, give up!" Fig you! The "Minsk Agreements" are one of the elements of a war on higher priorities. If the war is lost ideologically, then there is no need to count on victory in a hot one.

                ---------------------------------
                There are no "management priorities" there, because our government is poorly familiar with the management itself. There are elements of bargaining and a wait and see attitude. And the power element could be used back in 2014. The second aspect, none other than Putin spoke out - "let them apply all the sanctions that are possible, this will untie our hands." At the moment, his hands on the power option have long been untied, but apparently with these hands he is joking in another place, namely in terms of helping his wealthy friends.
                What international are you for? The last comrade Stalin dispersed in 1943. What again ravens flocked?
                ---------------------
                Stalin did not disperse anything, there is no need to replicate stupidity here. The Comintern was "disbanded" at the request of the allies. Otherwise, why, after the war, would Stalin create a socialist camp with all these titos, nadys and ulbrichts? The International was dispersed by Gorbachev and his followers, including your favorite VVP.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 October 2018 10: 33
                  -13
                  Quote: Altona
                  And the power element could be used back in 2014

                  "Cannons - last the king's argument. "Check out the management priorities.

                  Quote: Altona
                  At the moment, his hands on the power option he has long been untied

                  If it’s so much for you, then the road to volunteers is still open. Go ahead, and our children have someone to protect.

                  Quote: Altona
                  namely in terms of helping their non-poor friends

                  You claim that thanks to the foreign policy pursued by Putin, as a result of which the West has applied all these nastiness to us, is it good for the local bourgeoisie? wassat

                  Quote: Altona
                  Stalin did not disperse anything ... the International dispersed Gorbachev ...

                  Everything is exactly the opposite. hi
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 17 October 2018 13: 41
                    +9
                    Quote: Boris55
                    "Cannons are the king's last argument." Become familiar with management priorities.

                    ------------------------
                    Check out the genocidal policy pursued by both Poroshenko and Putin towards their respective countries. You live in some kind of parallel fictional reality and are trying to apply to the present reality some mechanistic concepts that are developed by Sergei Kurginyan and Zhenya Fedorov with their GCD. So good luck in your practice. Wait further. Cannons in our time are not "the king's last argument", but an element of state security, and if they are sometimes not used for their intended purpose, the army will decompose and scatter. However, your cannon has fired long ago.
                    1. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 12
                      0
                      Poroshenko quickly became genocidal. Putin is 18 years old. Do you think Putin’s plan was to genocide the population, but he failed too?
                  2. Dmitry Leontiev
                    Dmitry Leontiev 18 October 2018 09: 24
                    +2
                    You are an ordinary govnobot on a salary, sitting in Kiev or in Tel Aviv. You get 2 kopeks from the oligarchs-Satanists for comment - and you’re rubbing it. Common scum.

                    An army that exists specifically for this purpose, trained and equipped — that stands a few kilometers from the scene and is inactive — should protect people from terrorists killing them with heavy weapons — not ordinary people, instead of it, go to meaningless death.
              2. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 09
                +4
                Nice table! Proceeding from it, they dealt a powerful blow to Russia! After which Russia only jerks a leg as in dying spasms. Striking would rather be a hit of a convulsive leg that did not lead to any result. Like, we did everything we could! But why then did not do anything before that? Of course, we passed Ukraine very stupidly. And they didn’t surrender under Yanukovych! Began to hand over earlier. Since they began to promote Gorbachev into power. And if this was done with the filing of Andropov, then the process began even with the promotion of Andropov. And the arrival of Gorbachev noted the surrender of the territories. Now we’ll divide the country into 14 regions with a highly specialized economy and the section will end. Since specialized TNCs will be invested in narrowly specialized regions, in fact, these territories will be withdrawn by these TNCs. And the wish of our government will come true to sell everything in private hands, get rid of inefficient state property (which means the actual inability to manage), will flow into the global economy! That’s the whole point of modern leadership of the country! We will put everyone on our ears !? We were able to build the Crimean bridge ourselves! Have they built the bridge themselves? There the project and technology from there. Even the company Poroshenko participated in the construction of the bridge! What a bridge there! We can’t create a car for the president. All the technologies for its creation from there. And then, it has been created for many years. Everything, Russian krants! After the 90s she was only killed and finished off. The site is made with us, you can not cite. He is far from being an authority, but an attempt to make a good face with a bad game.
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 17 October 2018 14: 24
                  +3
                  All Andropov found guilty
                  1. Mr Credo
                    Mr Credo 17 October 2018 14: 40
                    0
                    But someone started the process! Didn’t it all begin?
              3. vladcub
                vladcub 17 October 2018 14: 40
                -1
                Boris, I have a lot of disagreements with you, but at the moment I am in solidarity with you 100 times.: "I do not make a deity out of Putin. I have complaints against him," but you cannot help with emotions!
                If Petya reacted to emotions, then already 1000 went to hell, what do ordinary Ukrainians like, what’s going on?
          3. NEXUS
            NEXUS 17 October 2018 12: 50
            +12
            Quote: Boris55
            Does LDNR want to become part of Russia? No. Such an issue is not on the agenda.

            Che, seriously? wassat
            The referendum on self-determination of the Luhansk People's Republic (LNR), which was proclaimed on April 27, 2014, is a vote held on Sunday, May 11, 2014 in a part of the territory of the Luhansk region controlled by the self-proclaimed republic.

            On May 18, 2014, a second referendum was planned on the future of the Republic, but after the referendum on May 12, representatives of the LPR declared sovereignty and expressed a desire to join Russia, and also unite with the Donetsk People's Republic in Novorossia.
            The referendum on self-determination of the Donetsk People's Republic - universal voting held on May 11, 2014 by the authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic in the territory of a number of districts and cities of Donetsk region, after which May 12 DNR authorities declared sovereignty and expressed a desire to join Russia, and also unite with the Luhansk People's Republic in Novorossia

            Who didn’t want there?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 17 October 2018 16: 52
              -8
              Quote: NEXUS
              Who didn’t want there?

              And where did you see the desire of LDNR to become part of Russia? They voted for independence, including from Russia! Voting at will to join somewhere was not !!!

              1. lukewarm
                lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 14
                +4
                Quote: Boris55
                Voting at will to join somewhere was not

                IMHO, this is casuistry. Part of a state cannot take and join another. First there must be independence, and then joining. Crimea, for example, had an autonomous status, so there was at least some kind of legal clue. In addition, by the time of the vote, the head of state, to whom the accession was supposed to be publicly warned residents of future LDNRs AT ALL from holding a referendum. So what could they write on the ballots?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 18 October 2018 07: 57
                  -7
                  Quote: unwillingly
                  So what could they write on the ballots?

                  Sorry, but you are being bred as suckers, and you are being fooled.

                  What did they have to do? Listen to what smart people advised them not to hold a referendum at all! The CIA 20 years tried to tear Ukraine from Russia. Nothing came of it. While she was whole - she was about Russian and only having unleashed a civil war did they finally manage to do this.

                  It is unfortunate that you do not understand this.
                  1. Dmitry Leontiev
                    Dmitry Leontiev 18 October 2018 09: 30
                    +1
                    No, govnobot, at first there was a maidan, then - the law on the state language - and only then Donbass.
                  2. lukewarm
                    lukewarm 18 October 2018 10: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: Boris55
                    It is unfortunate that you do not understand this.

                    Maybe. But then please explain how the "pro-Russian" UNITED then Ukraine brought up Bandera in its bowels? Until 1992, I studied in Kharkov at a military school, saw and heard the mood. Even in pro-Russian Kharkov. Yes, the Nazis were in the minority there, but they were. Further, the Russian Federation did NOTHING to keep Ukraine in its "orbit". Yes, it was not stupid to her. While the Americans were pumping dollars into the Natsik, the national estate Gazprom was pumping gas there. Yes, and the division of the Black Sea Fleet was the prototype of the Crimean spring. Very scandalous and not smooth. They offended the Independent Independents. After that, how can you confidently say that UNITED Ukraine was pro-Russian? In your logic, and then they should have left Crimea? Well, so that they remain united, which means pro-Russian? No, Ukraine has always been, if pro-Russian, it is very conditional, but after the victory of the Maidan - definitely not. She became the staging area for the United States.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 18 October 2018 16: 58
                      -1
                      Quote: unwillingly
                      Even in pro-Russian Kharkov

                      On the Cold Mountain?

                      Quote: unwillingly
                      how did the "pro-Russian" UNITED then Ukraine brought up Bandera's followers in its bowels?

                      Thanks to Khrushchev for releasing the unfinished Bandera from the Stalin camps. So they brought up the current ones.

                      Quote: unwillingly
                      Further, the Russian Federation did NOTHING to keep Ukraine in its "orbit".

                      In order to do something, we need money, but the oligarchs, who are appointed in the 90's of the USA, are managing the country's budget through their protege in the Duma. I hope that you have no illusions that anyone can get into the Duma.

                      Quote: unwillingly
                      how can one confidently say that UNITED Ukraine was pro-Russian?

                      Leadership - yes, but not the people.

                      I will not talk about what an egregional-matrix management is, to quote that until the idea takes over the masses, it is dead, about the role of political officers in the army. Why do all countries spend so much money on the media. On the same TV, a minute of advertising time costs a lot of money, and we have many channels in the public domain. I hope that some of this interested you, you will find the answer yourself.
                      1. lukewarm
                        lukewarm 18 October 2018 17: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris55
                        On the Cold Mountain?

                        wink Yes. 1 faculty. 2,5 years after graduation, I refused dill and on a citizen
                  3. evgeny68
                    evgeny68 18 October 2018 10: 22
                    +3
                    Has Ukraine ever been whole? Knowing a little history, we can say that the Communists made it whole with an iron hand. Sooner or later, this section would have occurred, unfortunately, at the wrong borders, but time will tell.
          4. aleks700
            aleks700 17 October 2018 12: 55
            +13
            Get sick? How did Germany get Hitler? Without military defeat, this is not possible. According to your logic, you need to lie down, fold your hands, and die quietly. The main thing is that there would be no war.
          5. NyeMoNik70
            NyeMoNik70 17 October 2018 14: 07
            +14
            Our dear man! There are no Ukrainians, Ukrainians in a priori. Like there is no Ukraine. All. There is a financial, economic component of the issue. We are part of Russia. It's time to get her back. To the Carpathian Mountains.
            1. Alf
              Alf 17 October 2018 22: 45
              -8
              Quote: NyeMoNik70
              We are part of Russia. It's time to get her back. To the Carpathian Mountains.

              Who to return? Russia? The composition of Ukraine? What, dill drove a very heavy?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 18 October 2018 18: 51
              0
              Quote: NyeMoNik70
              We are part of Russia. It's time to get her back. To the Carpathian Mountains.

              Curzon line is the western border of Russia.
              1. NyeMoNik70
                NyeMoNik70 18 October 2018 22: 41
                +1
                belay Зачем нам линия Керзона? https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_diplomatic/641/%D0%9A%D0%95%D0%A0%D0%97%D0%9E%D0%9D%D0%90
                To Warsaw and Helsingfors hachu. West only drinks .
          6. Phoenix_L'vov
            Phoenix_L'vov 17 October 2018 21: 57
            +10
            Having overcome a sense of disgust, he forced himself to answer you - yes, LDNR would like to become part of Russia. No, the 50/50 ratio you have indicated is incorrect, there at best 10 percent is against Russia, the rest are for, or simply against Ukraine. The Ukrainians themselves are not capable of freeing themselves from Bandera - remember the experience of the Second World War, when NO city was able to free themselves from the Nazis on their own - NOT ONE.

            I will not offend you, I do not want to break the rules of the site. In general, it is customary not only to insult people like you, normal men on occasion usually give you a muzzle right away ...
            1. Dmitry Leontiev
              Dmitry Leontiev 18 October 2018 09: 49
              +3
              So beat the face? Such scum in peacetime should be allowed to flow.
          7. Dmitry Leontiev
            Dmitry Leontiev 18 October 2018 09: 46
            +3
            Govnobot, why dodge so? Simply put: Russians, give the Satanists to be torn to pieces by the Donbass - originally their territory with originally their people who are now suffering for choosing a friendship with you. After all, this is exactly what your masters, the Satanists (oligarchs), have instructed you to suggest to the Russians.
            No one has yet succeeded in "recovering" from fascism without its defeat from the outside. And if Russia does not militarily come to the aid of Donbass, against the terrorist army of Ukraine, which is being actively developed and trained by the Western oligarchy, Donbass has no chance.
      2. lukewarm
        lukewarm 17 October 2018 08: 57
        +9
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        a lot of negativity and crap has lately been pouring from the Kremlin.

        From the "liberal tower" of the Kremlin, if we accept the theory of power heterogeneity, which was popular in the years 14-15. And as for the topic - so that's precisely because it is pouring it may well be that they will hand over. And if they do not surrender, it certainly will not be out of respect for the electorate.
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 22
          +6
          Following up. After all the spits in the face with the pension reform and the upcoming increase in tariffs and taxes - people’s anger can no longer be afraid. Swallowed then - swallowed and this. Raised so that his shirt is closer to the body, and it has already been partially removed. Endless talk shows about Ukraine already got. In the 14-15 years they still looked. Now stuck in the teeth. Most likely this is achieved. Apathy and indifference. And then to the noise ...
        2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Vladimir_65
        Vladimir_65 17 October 2018 12: 05
        +12
        Unfortunately, “our” rulers have “the right time” and “never” - words are synonyms. I would like to be mistaken, but reality convinces us otherwise: they will merge.
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2018 14: 18
        +6
        Only to pay pensions to pensioners of the republics for 3 thousand rubles, the Russian Federation spends more than half a billion dollars a year. 6tys is a lard a year. Plus salaries to state employees, nm military personnel, infrastructure restoration, etc. Do you think that kind of money is being spent to give the republic to an enemy state? Not even funny. request
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 12
          +2
          Quote: g1v2
          that kind of money is being spent

          I would very much like to follow this logic. But the farther I look at all this - I see that big expenses for something - there is by no means a guarantee that then this is not about ... losing. They spend because there is someone interested in these expenses, there is from them such a small trickle of money in your personal pocket. Here we also take the bridge to about. Russian, Vostochny spaceport (alas), well, many projects. So here - one group spends, the other surrenders. Everything with its own population except its own, which pays for these throwings in stores, at gas stations, housing and communal services receipts
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 17 October 2018 17: 46
            +5
            Vostochny Cosmodrome in your opinion was not needed? belay We must fly from someone else's spaceport. letting us twist our hands when necessary and pay serious money to the side? Not even funny. A bridge to the Russian island - needed for Vlad. It’s stupid because he has nowhere else to expand - there are swamps around. And it’s obviously impossible to make our San Francisco out of Vladik without expansion. It’s not for nothing that they constantly promote in the region, constantly holding various international forums and summits there. If something is not clear to the average person, then this is not necessarily cut. Well, I won’t even comment on the rest, as it will not lead to anything except srach.
            We now have ordinary state capitalism. So no one will spend that kind of money if he is not going to get a benefit for the country.
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 57
              +1
              laughing Right, something rolled. I’m not going to breed Srach. I will only explain that when I talked about these projects I HAD NO due to their uselessness. I had in mind doubts about the effectiveness. After all, theft at the spaceport is not my invention! And here it is
              Quote: g1v2
              if you are not going to get a benefit for the country
              - according to life experience, the benefit of the country is understood in different ways and it is not always identical to the improvement of the situation of the citizens of this country. Let not immediately, let later. As a rule, the benefit of the country comes down to an increase in the profit of state corporations. Not bad in itself (and I don't argue with that). But why, then, all these good projects end up in the epic "money don't hold out"
              For the rest, he accepted criticism, written under the influence of see above. It's a shame just drinks
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 18 October 2018 12: 56
                +2
                Theft is and will be. This is the inevitable companion of any large project. In fact, the losses are much higher from other reasons - alterations due to shortcomings in the initial planning, just the whims of some responsible person. This is not only in state projects. For example, I remember how in our very own private factory one wall was broken and transferred to a new revenge 4-5 times. And each time calling the company, paying her money for it. In this case, no one stole anything - stupidly lack of planning. request
                The Vostochny Cosmodrome had the same story. What someone stole there is a trifle compared to the cost of the project. Criminal cases are promoted more to calm public opinion. The problem was that during the planning, salaries of 17 thousand rubles were laid. For this money, few people wanted to go there to work. But it is necessary to build. Coordination of changes in the salary fund - lost time and deadlines. Salaries arbitrarily increased, but the general fund remained the same. Accordingly, he began to be exhausted. They began to take from other sections. Accordingly, there were interruptions in payment. They began to extinguish there - there were delays in the payment of salaries. Yes, there is also a collapse of the ruble added. This is where the problems come from. My friend was a small boss in a special building. Military towns, etc. built. So she thanked God for the fact that their unit was not involved in the construction of the cosmodrome. Although from the point of view of the layman, on the contrary, she should have been torn there to weld. The problems in any project are always the sea and theft of them is not even in the top five. But it is usually the closest and most understandable to the average man. request
    2. KLV2018
      KLV2018 17 October 2018 11: 45
      0
      Damantsev is blowing.
      2019 has not come, and economies are already integrating.
    3. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 17 October 2018 16: 17
      +4
      "Donbass is an integral part of Ukraine" (c) V.V. Putin.
      what to draw up then?
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 18
        0
        In 2013, he could say the same thing about Crimea
        1. Artem Popov
          Artem Popov 17 October 2018 21: 41
          -4
          No, he said this after the occupation of the Donbass.

          You are not so naive that you seriously think about the rejection or seizure of the southeastern regions of Ukraine? Putin's task is to cause a deep economic and social crisis in Ukraine, the challenges of which the existing leadership will not be able to respond, and the pro-Russian cohort will win the new elections, after negotiations with which Putin will order the puppets of the DPR-LPR to reconcile and dissolve. That's it, Ukraine is "ours" again, the multi-move is won. And the new pro-Russian party will be heroes - they have won the Donbass, glory to the heroes! That's it, and no war is needed.
          And the scenario is effective, Putin can maintain this abscess on the body of Ukraine for years, like Poland, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, waiting for the client to mature and form a political request for "reconciliation with his brother."
  2. valent45
    valent45 17 October 2018 06: 18
    +9
    So what? We will continue to just watch how Ukrainians will
    improve your weapons and constantly threaten
    LDNR?
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 17 October 2018 06: 36
      +15
      Well, why? We express our deep concern over the Foreign Ministry. In the year 14, everything had to be done, now it will be much more difficult. And the fact that I will be, I have no doubt. Or we’ll carry the hohland with friends, or again the battles near Moscow.
    2. Chichikov
      Chichikov 17 October 2018 06: 46
      +3
      Quote: valent45
      So what? We will continue to just watch how Ukrainians will
      improve your weapons and constantly threaten
      LDNR?

      It seems that there is no "good" without "bad"! In the article, the message of the author is quite clear
      In connection with the latest statement by the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov, in which a senior official stated that “Moscow will not respond to the possible use of weapons by Kiev in the Donbass due to the fact that Russia is not a party to the conflict” ... nevertheless, such a statement can be interpreted as the next stage of increasing the vigilance of Kiev for the further implementation of tougher responses to new shares of Poroshenko and the company

      It is quite possible that politicians think in other terms and "wait" for this offensive for two reasons. Firstly, “we didn’t start,” with all that it implies, and secondly, there is a reason to start and “not stop,” before reaching the desired lines. Where these "milestones" are and how they will be achieved, based on the development of the situation, is probably known only to a small circle of people. They will not announce this to us, but Donbass will have to experience and survive the first strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!
      1. Vladimir_65
        Vladimir_65 17 October 2018 12: 14
        +2
        "I am tormented by vague doubts" that they will not even respond to a direct military invasion of the Russian Federation. Until, as in 41st, half of Russia is not destroyed. Because in this case the enemy will destroy the population faster and more reliably - a task with which our internal enemies are so far weak.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 17 October 2018 14: 20
          +4
          Direct invasion of Russia- who is this ripe found? Petya is even puffing and waving his fists, but to start military operations with Russia ?! Do not tell my footcloths! Trump can talk about Russian aggression as much as he likes, but he won’t personally fight
          1. Likant
            Likant 17 October 2018 19: 21
            +2
            Duck with Russia will not happen! And with his hands he will destroy the population of Donbass! And there: "Bah! Yes, the LDNR are unrecognized! They are Ukrainian territory! Well, parsley, put up military bases with military equipment from the fraternal United States repainted in yellow-blakite!" And Putin will quietly keep silent and occasionally whisper: "Guys, let's live together!" What kind of clash between Trump and Putin are we talking about?!? :)
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 32
          +2
          There will probably no longer be such wars in the understanding of the twentieth century. Capture of territories, destruction, etc. not even the aggressor is needed. We need markets and resources. They can be obtained with much less blood. And do not destroy what will become yours in the long run. Do we still have something that global corporations (behind the US) cannot get without resorting to a big war. It is worth lifting the sanctions - the full government will collapse at their feet. And the whole series of current local conflicts - IMHO the essence of the dispute of economic entities. For there is simply NO any fundamental difference as in the Great Patriotic War. We now also have capitalism. Poor, colonial, built under the dictation of those same US. So half of Russia will be destroyed not by powdered war pigs, but by vodka, drugs, poverty, apathy.
        3. Likant
          Likant 17 October 2018 19: 13
          +1
          That's what I mean! .. :(
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 15
        +5
        If the plans for the defense of the republics were real, the minimum would be counter-battery fire. The states won over the brothers’s means of suppression. And why didn’t the republics suppress the shelling? Russia banned? And why is Israel immediately responding to the shelling? Moscow does not prohibit?
    3. Dimon71
      Dimon71 17 October 2018 12: 51
      +1
      The fact is that Ukrainians are not only LDNR threaten! And soma of Russia.
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 October 2018 06: 35
    +26
    They entered Syria under the lament of Maaloul, the fight against terrorism and hidden transit interests. In Ukraine, the same set: systemic terrorists, open transit interests, and lamentation over church utensils. But now there is "West Wind". The author's statements that Peskov (Putin (the elite)), something is being "obscured" there are already in the past. For the sake of saving "ordinary Deripaska" there will be "difficult decisions" in foreign policy. There is only one question - how far are the "celestials" ready to yield.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 October 2018 08: 08
      -3
      Quote: samarin1969
      They entered Syria under the lament of Ma'alul to fight terrorism and hidden transit interests.

      Forgot to mention and at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria.

      Quote: samarin1969
      In Ukraine, the same set:

      The set may be the same, but who is calling us there?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 October 2018 09: 19
        +3
        at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria.
        Obama can hardly be considered the legitimate ruler of Syria. But just after the conversation on the sidelines of the UN, this "invitation" suddenly appeared.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 October 2018 10: 04
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Obama can hardly be considered the rightful ruler of Syria.

          Obama didn’t invite us, and I didn’t visit the UN lobby.
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 17
        +4
        Yanukovych could easily invite in due time!
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 27
          -1
          Yanukovych could, but did not invite
      3. Artem Popov
        Artem Popov 17 October 2018 16: 39
        -3
        at the invitation of the legitimate government of Syria.

        so legitimate that in a tense social situation (frequent uprisings) each time it gains 99% of the vote?
        who organized the genocide of their own people in 2011 and lost more than half of the army, business and officials (hey, what about 99% of the vote?)
      4. lukewarm
        lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        who is calling us there

        There would be a desire. They would have recognized the republics in due time, and they would have called after the very first shelling. Of course, this is not Syria or Assad - a sovereign state and a legitimate President. But there would be at least something. And so the "north wind" and "ichtamnet"
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2018 06: 48
    +15
    One can agree with the author that Russia took a wait and see attitude for four years and made concessions to the West in Ukraine (Minsky-1,2 ...) in the hope of something. But what is not clear. As a result, Kiev’s power was frayed at the end, the Armed Forces of Ukraine gained strength and learned to fight, Western support, both political, informational, and money, flows like a river. In a word, they waited with an eye on what the west would say.
    1. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 21
      +6
      And what will the West say !? And the West is already talking. Russia pissed off! Swallows everything, wipes snot and complains to everyone! Russia is not able to inflict any blows! And every attack against Russia only confirms this opinion!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 17 October 2018 14: 08
        +2
        If it were so, the LDNR would not have existed for a long time. And in Syria, the "barmaley" ruled long ago
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 17 October 2018 14: 11
          +3
          But there is no movement in our favor. LDNR territories are not expanding. Bandits do not drive further than American bases and the Americans themselves remain in their places.
          1. evgeny68
            evgeny68 18 October 2018 10: 34
            -1
            I apologize, but you write this on the branch, and the reader and the reaper and the player are in the dude. Napoleon is no less. You are a Christian, you must be more modest.
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 24
        0
        Are we able to enter into open confrontation with the West? I would like to win
      3. lukewarm
        lukewarm 17 October 2018 17: 42
        +1
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Russia is not able to inflict any blows!

        And the truth is not able to. How could the country get stronger after so many "reforms" simply because the war is on the doorstep and the answer is NECESSARY? No. Success in Syria is certainly good, but they must be divided by a certain coefficient of the media. The true level of the Armed Forces is shown by the exercises (we will not find out the real results), the lost captured paratroopers in 2014, and much more. Most likely, knowing all this, the Russian Federation resists to the best of its ability, that is, weakly. And military power is a derivative of the economy. It's not worth talking about the latter, so as not to get upset
  5. Lynx33
    Lynx33 17 October 2018 06: 54
    +13
    You read such analytical articles and in my head only one question revolves: why is it possible to put a minus for a comment on an article (although I have never used it), but not for the article itself?
    1. alexx-fenix
      alexx-fenix 17 October 2018 08: 46
      +1
      The main message of the article is to escalate and distort!
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 22
      +3
      And what does the article do not like? Do not like it, do not read! Or forced to write a statement on the article?
  6. nafanal
    nafanal 17 October 2018 07: 12
    +6
    The recognition of Poroshenko as illegitimate is the opinion of the Kremlin or only the author?
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 17 October 2018 09: 11
      +14
      Quote: Nathanael
      Poroshenko's recognition as illegitimate

      Only the author, for the Kremlin has recognized the results of the "elections" in / in Ukraine
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 17 October 2018 12: 04
        -2
        Otherwise, there would have been no one to conclude the Minskers. Perhaps the plan failed, but the LDNR are alive. I do not make excuses, I state
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 17 October 2018 15: 41
          +3
          Quote: igorbrsv
          The plan may have failed, but LDNR is alive.

          This is if a coma can be called life.
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 27
        +4
        Well, and how now will the Kremlin fight with it the recognized authorities? It turns out that they drove themselves into a corner. We in Syria seem to be by invitation. But we do not bomb our partners' bases there. And Poroshenko is also our partner. His company helped us build the Crimean bridge, and we bombed him !?
  7. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 17 October 2018 07: 15
    +13
    However, we note that Moscow needs to begin to more stringently and efficiently suppress the actions of the Armed Forces, [quote] [/ quote]
    Russia needs long ago to stop trading with the most important hetmans !!! Introduce a selective visa regime: natives of the southeast, men and women, visa-free as for citizens of the CU, from the "zapadents" only women under the age of 30 can be allowed in, legalizing prostitution ... Persons with a residence permit working in Russia (immigrants from western regions of the country 404) depart! Cruel, you say !? Nothing of the kind! In fact, this is a war, and here either with us or against us! If we do not act cruelly now, in 15-20 years we will reap the fruits of our weakness and softness! What we are actually doing now ...
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 17 October 2018 13: 00
      +1
      Persons with a residence permit working in Russia (immigrants from the western regions of the country 404) to deport! Cruel, you say !? Nothing like that! This is in fact a war, and here either with us or against us!
      Another option. Deportation to certain areas of eastern Siberia.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 17 October 2018 13: 30
      0
      You suggest how the French do before the war (created concentration camps for the Germans)?
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 17 October 2018 08: 45
    +9
    Speak, don’t say ... until the upper ones decide what is beneficial for them, we won’t have anything clear!
    And this country, like all others, is ruled by profit.
    And the people of Shaw, we support, we do not support, but the betrayal of New Russia, for the most part, we will not forget the upper hand .... only it seems they don’t really care!
  9. The comment was deleted.
    1. akudr48
      akudr48 17 October 2018 10: 41
      +5
      West does not pay traitors. Unlike Russia
    2. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 11: 58
      -2
      . Putin and his friends did in the Donbass

      Maybe he didn’t work, or, more correctly, didn’t do what we would like
    3. evgeny68
      evgeny68 18 October 2018 10: 42
      -1
      You judge from the point of view of the corporal, but there is a general who has all the information about the economic situation of the country, about the political situation in the world, about the country's capabilities at a given time, which is important in the first place, etc. etc. And now it is necessary to analyze everything and make the only right decision. Only a story after 100 years at least can judge. It’s like with Stalin, his deeds and significance for Russia will be estimated only after a hundred years by Russian and not Western historians (murderer, tyrant, etc.)
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. evgeny68
          evgeny68 18 October 2018 10: 57
          -1
          Exactly. Of course, if you are trying to comprehend why so, and not make a verdict.
  10. 23424636
    23424636 17 October 2018 11: 07
    +7
    the article is well prepared especially in the part of the forest-steppe zone in the south of the Donetsk region. As for the tank breakthrough on Telmanovo through Granitnoye, the left bank is steep, the terrain is visible tens of kilometers inland of the Volnovakha region. It’s impossible to prepare a tank fist covertly and you can force the Kalmius river only by fords, and they are known to everyone except minefields. What happens in the Donetsk region after eliminating Zakharchenko indicates a transition to the scheme. The main thing is the group commander, not Pushilin. about tanks -2 tanks stood in a hollow on the side and on the sides were covered with a cliff topography and a lift of the road and bach-towers in the direction of the ammunition. Why is it so shy.? Think and answer. To the Russian border, 20 km in a straight line. This is Novoekaterinovka August 2014.
  11. loaln
    loaln 17 October 2018 11: 35
    +11
    Unfortunately, such spit ... Moscow was wiping “safely”


    It will rub off and again. Yes, even licks at whom it is necessary that it is necessary to shine.
    The main criterion for action is that personal wallets should not suffer.
    Therefore, fuss, turning into a cynical base trade. Fortunately, one can trade in other people's lives and well-being.
  12. zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 17 October 2018 11: 40
    +1
    Damans once again burns:
    Some may note that such an action is fraught for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a new Telman boiler or a complete defeat, after all, the defense of the republic organized mass production of the 217-mm MLRS Cheburashka with a range of 9600 and 64 guides on each combat vehicle - PU, which will burn Ukrainian tanks formations in the course of promotion through the forest-steppe area of ​​the southern part of Donbass.
    wassat
    It should be understood that the author has irrefutable evidence about the superiority of the weapon produced semi-handicraft in Donbas over the Soviet Grads?
    1. Bellerophon
      Bellerophon 17 October 2018 11: 58
      +3
      It should be understood that RUSSIA is serious about maintaining (at this stage) the necessary MILITARY-TECHNICAL BALANCE of the parties to the conflict. Any attempt to disturb this balance is quickly neutralized. Have already been neutralized: 1. The overwhelming superiority of the Probander junta in the AIR (need examples?). 2. Quantitative superiority in artillery (need proof?). 3. Quantitative superiority in armored vehicles (need facts?). So, "semi-handicraft weapons" are a field of information war, nothing more.
  13. Bellerophon
    Bellerophon 17 October 2018 11: 49
    +2
    You need to act not when you are FORCED to act, but when your actions are thought out, PREPARED and comprehensively SECURED. Before the ACTIVE ACTION of Russia in the Ukrainian direction is still a long way off.
  14. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 17 October 2018 11: 52
    -1
    . Unfortunately, such spits, expressed as allegedly random / side impacts of artillery batteries of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on residential infrastructure in the Russian cities of Donetsk, Gukovo, as well as the Primiusky and Vasetsky farms (Rostov Region), Moscow “wiped” safely

    Learn from Israel here. Create "golans"
  15. VECHESLAVIAN
    VECHESLAVIAN 17 October 2018 11: 55
    +4
    Ahaha, you guys are funny, by golly. Putin is just an element of the global system, a cog, and even if he even wanted to do something, for humanitarian reasons, in relation to the Donbass or the Russian Federation, however it doesn’t matter, he will not be allowed to do this. The oligarchs, you know, hold on tight to the balls until they are physically eliminated. Stalin was immediately poisoned for trying to break away from the dollar and introduce a gold standard, Putin is no exception. The world has long lived on only one pattern.
  16. vladcub
    vladcub 17 October 2018 13: 55
    +2
    1) Yevgeny is sure that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will start an offensive tomorrow, and Roman thinks this is unlikely; 2) the main attack in two directions at once seems to me doubtful: the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not in the right state to do this. 3) I saw the opinion of Yakov Kedmi on YouTube: the LDNR has an advantage in artillery and experienced artillerymen, while "artillery is the god of war" (Stalin) in defense conditions is a significant advantage. And finally, "tank T-80: in rough terrain, to arrange" formula 1 "in my opinion is stupid
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 17 October 2018 13: 58
    +1
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Damans once again burns:
    Some may note that such an action is fraught for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a new Telman boiler or a complete defeat, after all, the defense of the republic organized mass production of the 217-mm MLRS Cheburashka with a range of 9600 and 64 guides on each combat vehicle - PU, which will burn Ukrainian tanks formations in the course of promotion through the forest-steppe area of ​​the southern part of Donbass.
    wassat
    It should be understood that the author has irrefutable evidence about the superiority of the weapon produced semi-handicraft in Donbas over the Soviet Grads?

    At Damantsev everything is possible
  18. Cottager452
    Cottager452 17 October 2018 14: 35
    -3
    Here, after all, there are a lot of servicemen, would they collect a militia or something from those who are absolutely unbearable. Report to the MO and forward!
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 41
      +3
      There is no one to take care of families. Be formal war would be collected. Yes, and so many there already. And not only the servicemen would go. All sorts of specialties are needed. He almost left. The circumstances have changed for me
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 October 2018 10: 11
      +2
      Right in the MO? Maybe we should start with the military registration and enlistment office? Where will they tell you that up to 35 (?) Are accepted for a contract, in the LPNR, as well as in Syria, military enlistment offices do not recruit and in general Russia is not a party to the conflict, go calmly to work. Those who are interesting have been there for a long time, do not worry. And the rest have to pour out their "concern" here, more sincerely than the Foreign Ministry.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 17 October 2018 15: 34
    +2
    I think that you do not need to rake the Ukrainian adder with your own hands. Just get dirty and spend it. It is necessary that the Ukrainian Natsiks and oligarchs bring the situation to such a caput that the Ukrainian question as a national one ceases to exist at all times. While Ukrainians stick to the West-this is the gangrene of the West. Then they will start sticking to us - this will become our misfortune. Let Ukrainians still mature to complete decay and become a curse for its carriers. And by this time, God forbid, Russia will gain strength so much that it will be able to present its claims to its original territory.
    1. Likant
      Likant 17 October 2018 19: 08
      +2
      Well naive! And in Russia, do you think there are no earners from Transcarpathia now? Yes, go along the M-4 and you will see how many of them pilgrimage towards Moscow! Ukraine will decompose for a long time, and with it all neighboring countries! And you will not believe-Russia also borders on it! Evo is how it is!
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 October 2018 10: 15
      0
      The trouble is that Russia is not getting stronger either. As I see it from my sofa and from the bus window. And the brothers can decompose for a long time. Look, in the 14th they predicted how they would all freeze there? Well, how did they freeze?
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 October 2018 15: 36
    +3
    As always, Damantseva "can be seen by her gait", in the sense of the abundance of unnecessary terms, details and exaggeration of colors. Though he held back today wassat The prologue is a pure set of stamps. Tip: in order to still thicken the colors it was necessary to add epithets hellish и anti-human am The very idea of ​​an imminent offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not stand up to criticism. We have been getting this "noodle" for several years, but nothing has happened. Even the regular "offensive witnesses" Dzherelivsky and Kamenev have become quiet.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 43
      0
      Hope for the best, get ready for the worst
    2. Likant
      Likant 17 October 2018 19: 02
      0
      Well, there will be no luck! And it will be, then how! Donetsk will not pull American modern weapons! This is not to go to the grandmother! :)
  21. Imobile
    Imobile 17 October 2018 16: 01
    -1
    It would be better than to bear such a heresy, the author bothered to cite the pros and cons for Russia in the event of surrender and in the event of (what? I don’t know if Kiev could be taken?) In the short and long term. In general, we fed Ukraine in the USSR, the author suggests feeding the Donbass? Russian guy what will happen from this feeding?
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 17 October 2018 17: 46
      +1
      When you stand up for someone on the street, what's the point?
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 17 October 2018 21: 55
        0
        Yeah, and then the one who was defended by the occupier calls us? Or maybe the Donbass themselves wipe out the snot, but they will take the machine?
        1. Dmitry Leontiev
          Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 02: 29
          0
          You, only expect this — so that the Russian authorities stop looking at the population in this matter and surrender the Donbass. You know perfectly well that now without the help of Russia he can not hold out. He could win in the year 15, but not now - when, through the Minsk agreements, he was tied his hands and made to wait for the fascist junta to create an army capable of crushing him.
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 19 October 2018 09: 33
            0
            Who he? And why not win?
    2. Dmitry Leontiev
      Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 02: 23
      0
      , Donbass feeds itself - like any other population. It must be protected from fascist terrorists. It is Russia's duty to stop fascism. And if the Russian government does not think so, then it is not the Russian government.
  22. kakvastam
    kakvastam 17 October 2018 16: 39
    +1
    If we recall that no one (no one!) Did more to create the Ukrainian political nation than Mr. Putin, then any thoughts about the possibility of military protection of the DPR and LPR should be discarded as obvious nonsense.
    Well, a person will not be able to destroy his brainchild, albeit so far unreasonable, not offering him prayers day and night. Wait, in about twenty years, Ukrainians will understand who their true benefactor is, and they canonize him.
    Apparently, the project is nearing successful completion - the undeveloped communists and patriots have been disposed of, dangerous charismatics have been identified and cleaned up, and the electorate has been clearly shown that you won’t get rid of your lash.
    So the support of the republics is gradually curtailed, and then "by yourself-by-yourself" ...
    1. Likant
      Likant 17 October 2018 18: 59
      +1
      When a military base on the Rostov border appears and an American speech is heard, and American shit are piled up along the entire border of atomic missiles, then there will be "yourselves"! :)
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 17 October 2018 22: 00
        +1
        A military base will appear with any options, with the one that we sent, the lads would shout out and fetter NATO, with another Ur and help in every possible way, and 100 km there does not matter. Strategically lost.
        1. kakvastam
          kakvastam 17 October 2018 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: Imobile
          Strategically lost.

          We are yes.
          But about "our" leadership - not a fact.
  23. Likant
    Likant 17 October 2018 18: 55
    +3
    Actually what I told Zakharchenko about Minsk-1! It was necessary to smile at Moscow and repulse the territory, and not create an army and so on on a piece of land! The militia had more options than the disciplinary standing (forgot the word) army, and not to return fire is also a stupid order! The militiamen smashed the ukrov with wild, reckless crazy swoops, and they fled in panic, abandoning everything! And in four years they overlaid with a heartbreak! What a news! Now the militia will not withstand a blow with American support: they will not retreat, but everyone will fall! Pole is the key word! And then Moscow will not disown itself! There is no tsar to bang his fist on the table and say: we take Ukraine, after America, and the German Chancellor himself will bow down! And Comrade Stalin would not chew snot! As it was said in "Borodino": "Yes, there were people in our time, not like the present tribe! .."
    1. Dmitry Leontiev
      Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 02: 11
      0
      This is not a "stupid order", but an openly hostile order - just like the Minsk trial itself. Not only did Russia shamefully retreat in front of a handful of fascist thugs who iron out the population of Donbass with heavy artillery (according to all moral and legal norms of international law, as well as according to all its own canons of honor, it had to intervene and decisively suppress the genocide of the Russian population by the Satanists), - so she also began to hold the hands of the militias themselves - to prevent them from crushing the Satanists, in order to enable the Satanists to gather forces sufficient to capture the entire Donbass.
      Enemies are sitting in the Kremlin. And enough people hope for Putin - he is nobody and nothing - the enemies of the Russian people - the oligarchs (Satanists), are in charge of everything.
  24. Izet
    Izet 17 October 2018 19: 42
    0
    "into 2 operational directions". There is no point in reading further.
    Topic even a military institute did not finish.
  25. bsk_una
    bsk_una 18 October 2018 12: 05
    +1
    And who can guarantee that Russia will help Donbass and Lugansk? I doubt because Putin has entered a high international orbit and he does not need earthly affairs, just as he does not need economics, education, science, pensions, and other Putin's husk.
    1. Dmitry Leontiev
      Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 01: 54
      0
      Putin - he is only in words Putin. But in reality - parsley for idiots. He does not represent anything in terms of independent power. The enemies of Russia, the oligarchs, rule in Russia. The drain of Donbass to its Ukrainian colleagues and the pension reform - a stupid one-sided robbery of the people without the slightest redistribution of the astronomical income of the oligarchs - speaks about this clearly and unequivocally.
      Real enemies are by no means outside.
  26. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 18 October 2018 12: 57
    0
    Everything is right! It is hard to disagree with the author.
  27. Protos
    Protos 18 October 2018 13: 50
    0
    @EVERYTHING IS LOST laughing
  28. Essex62
    Essex62 18 October 2018 15: 23
    0
    [quote = Altona] [quote = Boris55] Ukrainians themselves have to get sick with Bandera. To drive the disease deeper - this means leaving an unresolved problem to our descendants in the future. [/ Quote]
    ----------------------
    Boris, that's when you get bourgeois over the cult of Putin’s personality and start looking at things not from a capitalist, but from an international and humanist perspective ...
    Such sores are treated only by kyle and friendship-2 saw. Not a runny nose, will not resolve itself
  29. Essex62
    Essex62 18 October 2018 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: evgeny68
    You judge from the point of view of the corporal, but there is a general who has all the information about the economic situation of the country, about the political situation in the world, about the country's capabilities at a given time, which is important in the first place, etc. etc. And now it is necessary to analyze everything and make the only right decision. Only a story after 100 years at least can judge. It’s like with Stalin, his deeds and significance for Russia will be estimated only after a hundred years by Russian and not Western historians (murderer, tyrant, etc.)

    Under such a policy of the Kremlin, in 100 years, even much earlier, there will be no Russians. What our Comprador bourgeoisie is engaged in, led by himself, is the dissolution of the Nation and the infusion of Russian territories into a single, controllable pit of evil spirits, the world's viper. Without Homeland, without a flag, without roots, a citizen of the World is the dream of a world aligarhat. Only Russians will not have a place there. Remember the possessed one, and after all he is well-fed and sent by Freemasons.
  30. AleBors
    AleBors 18 October 2018 21: 30
    0
    Yes, well written ... But Peskov is not just a talking head. Mister "blizzard" is known whose press secretary. So his words are the words of another head .. Higher.
    In light of this, we have to admit that everything is going to drain LDNR. The media work tirelessly, the people already, for the most part, do not give a damn about Ukraine and LDN — there are enough of their problems.
    And all this Russian spring was conceived to partially destroy, partially depose the most passionate stratum of society. And here and there. The idea was a success.
    Sorry for those who believed, pity for those who died ...
    1. Dmitry Leontiev
      Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 01: 42
      +1
      Statement of fact: the most dangerous enemies of Russia are in the power of Russia - Satanist oligarchs.
      If the people can’t find a way to get rid of them, everything is really gone. Enemies are in power.
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 19 October 2018 09: 41
        0
        Do you know a way?
        1. Dmitry Leontiev
          Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 09: 59
          -1
          I know the only elementary Principle System that all humanity needs to accept in order to get rid of darkness in principle: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/4t7w/gXT492EyR (Central Technology).
          And in this particular case, I am in favor of choosing Poklonskaya as the people's initiative — she alone, once in power, stood up to the people for this recent pension robbery, and was not afraid to make accusations against the Duma thieves' oligarchic rabble. It is such a primitive, incorruptible for the oligarchs and fearless ruler that should be in the power of Russia. And Putin is a servant of the oligarchy, who has confused the honor of serving the people with the meanness of serving his enemies and the vile robbers - the Satanists. The people should make sure that Poklonskaya becomes president without categorically accepting any other candidates. Because its priorities are true: the state is for the people, robbers are in jail.
          This is the very moment when everyone can reach an agreement to the maximum extent, the very chance of unity - without which nothing can be done.
          1. AleBors
            AleBors 19 October 2018 11: 17
            0
            Create an initiative group, create a political party. And this ... as a people, do you think will control? And about everything else ... Do not be offended, but it looks like a tantrum.
            The fact is that it’s very convenient to issue recipes for beautification of the country from the couch, and it’s hard and ungrateful to implement life.
            About Poklonskaya. Of course, I like her position, but I do not remember that she somehow tried to organize a real opposition to the authorities. The same applies to all other opposition members. The bottom line is just the tame monkeys of the current regime.
            So I look forward to hearing from you about the organization of a political party, with you at the head or with Poklonskaya.
            Best of luck!
            1. Dmitry Leontiev
              Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 12: 12
              -1
              If you read the link, you understand that here we are talking about the logical (categorical scientific) concept of the Human Mind Activation System - the System that allows you to transfer power from the definition of irresponsible human authorities, which in every way impedes the favorable development of mankind, to the most clearly substantiated argument about the Higher the appropriateness of mankind - which, subject to endorsement as such by the whole society, should be the only power. This is simple and elementary logic; I’m far from any hysteria here - I have been thinking about this system all my conscious life, and I know exactly what I’m talking about: this is Central Technology, the fundamental Organizational System of the future World of People, in which with its help everything that happens will be subordinated to only one criterion - to the Highest interests of the human population itself; and humanity itself will be a single team for the most favorable arrangement of its world for all.
              And this Organizational System is elementarily realizable right now! Of course, I would like to participate in its implementation, but this requires a lot of people who strive for this.

              And as to how the people can control it, simply choose Poklonskaya as their single and principled candidate for power, demand it, and categorically not agree to anyone else. Russia needs a people's ruler, chosen and established by the people themselves, and not a protege of its open enemies - the oligarchs.
              1. AleBors
                AleBors 19 October 2018 12: 34
                0
                "Of course, I would like to participate in its implementation, but .." The most popular phrase of a sofa fighter. And about the activation of the mind is absolutely enchanting ... Something like reptilians and other evil spirits can be negotiated ...
                However, autumn ... It's time for exacerbations.
                1. Dmitry Leontiev
                  Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 15: 11
                  -1
                  Everyone thinks about his own. For me, it’s about something else.
                  Activation of the Mind - this means the inclusion of light for all - laying out on the shelves of all things for all in all details. With this system, the evil one will not have the opportunity to create loopholes - any socially significant decisions will require a clear and comprehensive argumentation in all details. The general availability of the System and the rating of arguments will make the process of checking any argument objective and thorough. Also, the general accessibility and availability of a rating system will allow the System to receive and bring out the best and most effective offers for everyone to each top technological and system issue. This is what is needed for society to become Intelligent. No clatter of fools with empty fog and waving arms will never work again - everything will require a clear and comprehensive argumentation from the position of the Highest interests of the population itself.
                  1. AleBors
                    AleBors 19 October 2018 16: 12
                    0
                    You don’t speak for everyone ... Let's start with yourself ...
                    About the evil one ... When was the last time you communed?
                    And who decided what is the "Higher" interest and what is not? You?
                    1. Dmitry Leontiev
                      Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 17: 00
                      -1
                      All ratings, raising the most reasonable and corresponding to the interests of the population proposals up, will be compiled by the population. This is the power of the people in its purest form. Only this power will be adequate. People will not make decisions, but will determine by their own vote the adequacy of the argument based on the chain of counterarguments from the teams of supporters and opponents of the idea - whose argument is more logical, weighty and reasonable - and thereby raise the most optimal and relevant to the highest interests of the whole society decisions to the very top - where they will gain strength. This will apply to both political and any other system or technological solutions. Power will pass to the truth itself - the most distinct and well-founded argumentation about universal Higher expediency. And now it belongs to stupid units - human rulers, who are not at all interested in the fact of any well-being of mankind, but are only interested in maintaining and strengthening their own power - no matter what damage it costs humanity itself. The current system is IDIOT; - because of this, and everything that happens is evil.
                      The world of people needs to transfer to the power of truth as soon as possible - this will mean its salvation from this senseless evil and exit to the light.
                      1. AleBors
                        AleBors 19 October 2018 17: 54
                        0
                        "All ratings that raise the most reasonable proposals corresponding to the interests of the population will be drawn up by the population itself. This is the power of the people in its pure form" - how do you imagine this, purely technically?
                        And what do "Higher" interests mean in your interpretation?
                        "People will not make decisions, but determine by their vote the adequacy of argumentation" - do you seriously believe in this? But what about the presidential elections in the Duma? There was also a vote ...
                        In general, I see that you will not get any specifics. Some slogans and inflating cheeks.
                      2. Dmitry Leontiev
                        Dmitry Leontiev 20 October 2018 02: 14
                        -1
                        Higher interests - this means Highest, superior expediency from the standpoint of maximum objectivity, maximum consideration of the whole situation.
                        Let's take a chess game for simplicity. The political sphere is similar to it. In chess, too, objectivity is crucial.
                        Not everyone understands chess so much that they can see the development of the situation in a given move. But if right under the proposal of this or that decision for each specific option there will be a clear explanation of why it is impossible to go this way or vice versa it is objectively expedient - everything will be clear to everyone.
                        Actually, there are countless moves, but only a very few lead to the objective goal - to win the game, and you need to choose the only solution that is most appropriate for this goal of highest priority. And for humanity, the goal of the highest priority is simply: universal Higher Well-being, excellent expediency for all.
                        For example, let's take a situation on a board where it is possible to checkmate in ten moves, but at the same time there is a danger (with incorrect actions) to get a checkmate in five moves.
                        Few can see the objective situation a few moves ahead. If there is a trap on the board - for example, the opponent gives up a piece, the capture of which would mean his win in five moves - then the majority, not seeing so far ahead, will fall into this trap - they will take the queen and receive mate. But if people are united by this System into one team, then a single correct argument from a single person in this team, without finding a compelling counter-argument, will keep the whole team from this catastrophic step; - the fact that this step leads to defeat will become clear to everyone. Because the arguments that do not find a weighty counter-argument are brought by the teams of defenders and opponents of the idea to the top of their rating, to the most prominent place - and become clearly clear to everyone. And no one will vote for things that are frankly failing for themselves, right under which is the argumentation of their failure. Those decisions will be chosen, which will have a weighty argument "for", for which objectivity in the person of a large number of participants will not find any intelligible counterarguments. As a result, in a situation with the presence of this System of Argumentation, we have a gain of the population, united by it into a single team, and in a situation with its absence, we have a guaranteed loss.
                        This Human Mind Activation System means a strictly objective approach to the selection of any technological solutions in each of the technological areas. And its effectiveness depends on the size of the team - the larger the team, the more effective and objective this system is in its search for solutions of the Highest expediency - be it political, technological or other socially significant systemic decisions. Therefore, the Supreme expediency for each of the people in this world is that all of humanity be united by this Organizational System.
                      3. AleBors
                        AleBors 20 October 2018 09: 47
                        0
                        In other words, you decide for yourself what is the highest goal and what is not. Any game, including chess, is conducted on behalf of someone. So you put yourself above all people, deciding what is the truth for everyone? Do I understand correctly? And you have a team of like-minded people, with whom are you going to come to power? Correctly?
                        If everything is not so, then you should definitely go to the doctor, you have megalomania, weighed down by hysteroid syndrome. You suddenly decided that you are the bearer of truth. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the diagnosis, but there are signs.
                        With sick people, alas, discussions are pointless.
                      4. Dmitry Leontiev
                        Dmitry Leontiev 20 October 2018 15: 57
                        0
                        Troll, however, you are my friend. Truth is Christ. Its Gospel Principle Code for the salvation of mankind defines the necessary organization of Central Technology.
                      5. AleBors
                        AleBors 20 October 2018 16: 29
                        0
                        And you are a talker. You don't even know what you're talking about. And do not remember the Lord in vain. This is sin.
                      6. Dmitry Leontiev
                        Dmitry Leontiev 20 October 2018 02: 37
                        -1
                        And the elections to the Duma - from the lists compiled by the oligarchs - you won’t make me laugh.
                        Firstly, deputies - arrogant mediators to whom the population is still stupidly delegating their power - should not be in principle; - This is an initially flawed anachronism, which is necessary only for oligarchs and corrupt officials to stay in power and exercise their arbitrariness.
                        In Central Technology, the composition of the qualification councils will be elected by the population itself - and not from the lists proposed by someone, but on the basis of their own trust. People will fall into this rating, deserving the trust of society, and losing trust - immediately fly out of it. When trust has to be earned, they will be treasured.
                        But the qualification councils themselves will not be the power (it will have the most intelligible and reasonable argumentation) - they will only be an additional safeguard for society against inadequate decisions.
                        Read the above link for this file: "001.2.3 Central Technology - The Essence of the System and its components. Txt". There is not much text there.
                      7. AleBors
                        AleBors 20 October 2018 09: 53
                        0
                        You don’t have to point a finger at the elections. And speak obvious platitudes.
                        Regarding your link ... I do not want to read this. This is nonsense inflamed mind. And I do not advise you.
                      8. Dmitry Leontiev
                        Dmitry Leontiev 20 October 2018 16: 01
                        -1
                        Saying "nonsense" is not difficult, of course. It would be interesting to see your concept. I would even be willing to take the trouble to read it - just to make sure that I know life so poorly - that you really have some kind of movement of this kind. But it's unlikely, right?
                      9. AleBors
                        AleBors 20 October 2018 16: 27
                        0
                        I don’t have to poke. Thank God we are not familiar. And I have no global concepts, and no less ambitious stupidity. So you don’t have to work. I am engaged in my own survival and do not pretend to be the messiah with great truths, large-scale projects and no less ambitious conceit.
                        And I really do not like talkers.
                        That's all. Do not bother to answer.
                      10. Dmitry Leontiev
                        Dmitry Leontiev 20 October 2018 16: 35
                        0
                        I do not want.
                2. Dmitry Leontiev
                  Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 15: 18
                  -1
                  Sofa fighters, if real decision-making is not available to them (and such, as we know, the vast majority), can also influence the situation. To do this, you just need not to be indifferent and protest against what you need to protest against. Designate your voice, not look silently at what should not happen. The authorities are guided precisely by this — the tacit consent of the people or their distinct rejection; - and acts correlated with majority data.
                  1. AleBors
                    AleBors 19 October 2018 16: 13
                    0
                    I am waiting for you photo with a poster or on an armored car.
        2. Dmitry Leontiev
          Dmitry Leontiev 19 October 2018 10: 28
          0
          In this particular case, I am in favor of bringing Poklonskaya to power by the people’s initiative - she alone, having come to power, stood up to the people for this recent pension robbery, and was not afraid to make charges against the Duma thieves' oligarchic rabble. Such a principled, incorruptible for the oligarchs and fearless ruler should be in the power of Russia.
          And Putin is a servant of the oligarchs, confused the honor of serving the people with the abomination of serving his enemies and robbers - Satanists.
          The people should make sure that Poklonskaya becomes president without categorically accepting any other candidates. Because its priorities are true: the state is for the people, robbers are in jail.
          This is the very moment when everyone can reach an agreement to the maximum extent, the very chance of unity - without which nothing can be done.
          1. AleBors
            AleBors 19 October 2018 16: 14
            0
            So organize this initiative. What is the use of knocking on buttons?
  31. Yat
    Yat 18 October 2018 21: 32
    0
    Skomorokhov took the name "Damantsev"? I recognize his handwriting.
  32. Vlvl
    Vlvl 20 October 2018 23: 00
    0
    It would have been much easier if the Ukrainian politicians were smarter and cared about people and the country. We wouldn’t shout to please the West about joining NATO since the 90s, about the desire to deploy American military bases in Crimea. If the generation of neo-fascists had not been cultivated, then there would have been Crimea and there was no war in Little Russia. Belarus, Chechen Republic, illustrative examples.