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Israel will find an opportunity to destroy C-300 in SAR. Opinion of the american general

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The American brigadier general presented his point of view on what C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems delivered to Syria can expect. We are talking about the opinion of the retired military attache of the US Embassy in Russia (2012-2014), General Peter Zvak. Today Zvak is a senior fellow at the National Security Studies Institute at the University of National Defense.


Israel will find an opportunity to destroy C-300 in SAR. Opinion of the american general


The ex-attache said that Israel would make every effort and find a reason for the C-300 air defense system, which Russia transferred to Damascus, to be destroyed.

Zwaka, who spoke at the Fort Ross Dialogue Forum, quotes RIA News:
If they (C-300) are controlled by the Syrians outside of Russia's control, then in the end there will be a situation where the Israelis will destroy them, because for them it is vital.


When Zvak was asked about the C-400 air defense missile systems deployed in Latakia, he noted that "this is completely different, since the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are controlled by Russian military personnel."

Zvak could not answer the question of a journalist RIA News about what kind of relationship will form between the Russian Federation and Israel in the event of a last strike on C-300 in the SAR. At the same time, a senior fellow at the National Defense University of the United States noted that the Israelis could say to Moscow: “If you handed C-300 to the Syrians, then step back; The air defense system will shoot down our airplanes, therefore we are obliged to disable them. ”

Recall that the C-300 system and related military equipment were delivered to Syria after the tragedy with the Russian IL-20. The Defense Ministry accused Israeli pilots of provocation - that the F-16 Israeli Air Force literally covered itself with IL-20, which eventually ended up in the defeat zone of the C-200 air defense missile system. The IDF has denied these accusations, stating that the F-16 Four was already in Israeli airspace when the C-200 delivered the fatal blow. Earlier, the Israeli authorities said that the aircraft "have already landed at the airfield home-based."
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Law abiding citizen
    Law abiding citizen 16 October 2018 17: 48
    +10
    Try it ..
    1. Granddad
      Granddad 16 October 2018 18: 04
      +12
      Quote: Law abiding Citizen
      Try it ..

      Everything depends on Putin .. Our military has long been angry with Israel (even Shoigu emotionally spoke out) ..
      But alas, while only the chatter and the Jews mock us here .. But I believe that the goal will be noble, the main thing is not to rush and wait! soldier
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 16 October 2018 18: 14
        -5
        We will not shoot down Israeli planes. We will not dare.
        Israel itself will not destroy the installations under our control either; it will try to supply terrorists with shock "homemade" UAVs, but it is unlikely to succeed.
        But when we train the Syrians, and the S-300 officially goes under the jurisdiction of Syria, it will certainly attack.
        If they catch the moment when they are without the cover of cheap air defense, then the S-300 is simply destroyed by a "zerg-rush" attack - a large number of relatively cheap missiles, such a complex cannot be quickly recharged (which was proved by the destruction of the Syrian S-200 battery). But the Syrians are unlikely to substitute themselves again.

        This means that there will be an attack by "terrorists" with heavy weapons, up to tanks and artillery. Although there may be a direct attack on Israel. Remember - in Lebanon, when an Israeli terror group was caught, but instead of being shot, they were imprisoned, Israel launched a full-scale invasion "with the aim of freeing the hostages." So what can happen here.
        1. ruha
          ruha 16 October 2018 18: 41
          +1
          C300 should be guarded by several shells, as much as possible. in order not to work, as when the shell was destroyed.
          1. For example
            For example 16 October 2018 18: 51
            +9
            Why does a mattress decide for Jews? Will the proud and independent Jewish people act as the American tells them? laughing
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 16 October 2018 19: 27
              +5
              Quote: For example
              +1
              Why does a mattress decide for Jews?

              Whoever pays for them is the one who "dances" them.
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              2. Kasym
                Kasym 16 October 2018 23: 10
                +2
                They still need to get to the S-300.
                Recently gave an interview Mikheev - Deputy. gene. deer company developing comp. EW.
                The aircraft is taxiing - it is already assigned an identification number by the system (apparently, by radio interception). Electronic warfare is primarily engaged in intelligence. And in flight, if "bad" intentions are discovered, or the plane falls into the announced dead zones, it will lose communication, navigation, and location. If it "tramples" further, then the system is able to get into the element base of electronic systems and reflash them. For example, change the navigation and the rocket will then fly in the wrong direction and most likely self-destruct. The pilot may lose control of the aircraft. Etc .. But that's not all. If this does not work, then the plane is "illuminated" and escorted. After that incl. your system is a stranger. The enemy pilot already knows for sure that he is at gunpoint. And if he does not change his intentions further, then ... the probability of being hit by the S-300 LA missiles is up to 90%. And then there is the Armor.
                On the other hand, the counteraction by enemy electronic warfare systems will begin. Here we’ll see ... the designers have been working for 30 years and now there is an opportunity to test this work.
                Something like this.
                And how can a pilot destroy an air defense system? First, let the effects of the set "pass". Electronic warfare. hi
                1. Leclerc
                  Leclerc 16 October 2018 23: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Kasym
                  If it "tramples" further, the system is able to get into the element base of electronic systems and reflash them ... But that's not all. If this does not work, then the plane is "illuminated" and escorted.


                  And after the backlight is turned on, the light music is turned on and the plane tries to escort the pilot to the nearest fine-parking lot, if the pilot resists, the seat heating is turned on and a kettle begins to boil, which was not there and that appeared after reflashing by the REB system, then the glove compartment opens and two pills roll out ( red and blue) and on the walkie-talkie someone posing as Morpheus offers to eat them, after which the pilot sees everything around in the form of running vertical hieroglyphs on a black background. The only way to disconnect and escape from the electronic warfare system is to fly into a telephone box and have time to pick up the phone.
                  1. MANITU
                    MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 24
                    +3
                    The only way to disconnect and escape from the electronic warfare system is to fly into a telephone box and have time to pick up the phone.


                    No. there is another way - to start working on the almighty EW!)))))
                2. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 17 October 2018 14: 43
                  -1
                  "And in flight, if" bad "intentions are discovered, or the plane falls into the declared dead zones,"
                  When our IL was shot down - something no one calculated the intentions .. Although the planes circled next to each other in the area of ​​air defense fire ..
                  Putin has already talked several times about the closed sky in Syria .. but in fact .. we have what we have ..
                  1. ruha
                    ruha 17 October 2018 17: 13
                    +1
                    it has been said a million times that the Jews stabbed in the back. they were allowed to fly wherever they wanted and bomb the Syrians and Iranians (!) the main warning was that. but then they warned a minute before the fire. it turns out like this; Jews bomb only those who are not forbidden to bomb in Moscow. Jews did not like it. Now Moscow shows what happens when they don’t like something
            2. ashnajder
              ashnajder 16 October 2018 23: 58
              +2
              because in the US there are more Jews than in Israel))))
        2. 933454818
          933454818 16 October 2018 19: 18
          +4
          This means that in the case of the capture of another such group, its members should be quickly eliminated "when offering resistance" so that no invasion would follow. No body, no matter ...
        3. Bykov.
          Bykov. 16 October 2018 19: 29
          +5
          I’m wondering, when will the Ameghikos start out in the open, with kicks and slaps, to push the Jews into the attack, such as a detachment?
          1. MANITU
            MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 28
            +1
            I’m wondering, when will the Ameghikos start out in the open, with kicks and slaps, to push the Jews into the attack, such as a detachment?


            As soon as the Syrian "snipers" pass the admission for independent duty on a brand new s-300
          2. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 17 October 2018 11: 41
            +1
            I think it’s not so long to wait ..... the Jews are considering the consequences, while the Americans are most likely looking for an opportunity to create a situation, moreover, a favorable one ......
        4. high
          high 16 October 2018 21: 20
          +3
          Remember - in Lebanon, when an Israeli terror group was caught, but instead of being shot, they were imprisoned, Israel launched a full-scale invasion "with the aim of freeing the hostages."

          Something new, can I link?
      2. CERBERFOL
        CERBERFOL 16 October 2018 18: 53
        +8
        If they roll out our S-300s, don't go to the fortuneteller. The Jews are cunning, insidious, insolent, limitless. And they don't care about the UN and Russia. S-300 weapon of defense. And with such a weapon the Israelis cannot be dealt with. We need to fight them with the same method. In the style: "kick in the groin, knife in the back"
        1. CERBERFOL
          CERBERFOL 16 October 2018 18: 56
          +7
          I would not be surprised that they put a passenger, "accidentally" flying Boeing under the S-300
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 16 October 2018 19: 33
            +4
            Quote: CERBERFOL
            they will help under the S-300 passenger

            It is impossible to substitute for the S-300. Even if both their own and the enemy fly nearby (at a distance of at least 500m), the rocket will hit the enemy’s target. The main thing is that there wouldn’t be a mistake with the control system in the ACS system, of course there is a chance of entanglement of the target paths, but it is extremely small, especially if the targets are captured.
            1. alexsipin
              alexsipin 17 October 2018 21: 42
              -1
              Quote: Vita VKO
              It is impossible to substitute for the S-300

              Syrian operators are still those entertainers.
        2. Bykov.
          Bykov. 16 October 2018 19: 32
          0
          I didn’t understand, but we can’t kick in the groin and stick a knife in the back? Do not hesitate, if anything, ours and on the back kick and stick a knife in the groin without problems.
          1. MANITU
            MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 32
            -2
            So you can't? Can only "yours"? Suffering from school complex?
        3. turcom
          turcom 16 October 2018 20: 35
          0
          Are you a C300 specialist. Do you really think that people in the General Staff are dumber than YOU?
        4. You Vlad
          You Vlad 16 October 2018 21: 45
          +2
          The C-300 (not an export option) will be built into our air defense system in Syria and will be covered with both shells and electronic warfare systems! The Jews are still sniffing a big cookie from all sides, but so far they can’t do anything! But they will definitely prepare which something disgusting, bribery, betrayal, special forces.
        5. alexsipin
          alexsipin 16 October 2018 23: 14
          +3
          Quote: CERBERFOL
          And the Israelis cannot cope with such weapons. They need to be fought with them by their own method

          I urge you to make a contribution to the fight against Israel. For example, learn a native language.
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          2. MANITU
            MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 40
            -3
            For example, learn a native language


            Studying is not the strongest side of such comrades. They are already born ready-made strategists!)))) His grandfather took Berlin! What for him study!
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 17 October 2018 05: 31
              +5
              Quote: MANITU
              His grandfather took Berlin!


              And your!?

              On that side was?
              1. MANITU
                MANITU 17 October 2018 13: 52
                +1
                You see, Vanya, again you did not understand the humor. My grandfathers were in the Red Army ... But this does not cancel the need for study!
                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 17 October 2018 16: 02
                  0
                  Quote: MANITU
                  But this does not cancel the need for study!


                  Earnestly.

                  Quote: MANITU
                  I did not understand the humor


                  Trouble recourse

                  Quote: MANITU
                  were in the Red Army.


                  drinks

                  hi
          3. user1212
            user1212 17 October 2018 04: 24
            0
            Quote: alexsipin
            I urge you to make a contribution to the fight against Israel. For example, learn a native language

            Do you know that "native" language? The one who is Hebrew
            1. alexsipin
              alexsipin 17 October 2018 14: 34
              -1
              Quote: user1212
              Do you know that "native" language? The one who is Hebrew

              You can’t write in foreign languages ​​here. Write in a personal, we communicate in a lashon-kodesh.
          4. CERBERFOL
            CERBERFOL 17 October 2018 06: 29
            +2
            Comrade teacher, did you come here to troll with your faithful Ukrainian friend "Tabaki"? But in essence? On this topic? Or do you just teach trolling?
            1. MANITU
              MANITU 17 October 2018 14: 10
              0
              Peter, I am essentially writing too ... But when people show signs of nationalism and imaginary superiority, not knowing how to add two plus two, and suck in like a sponge only propaganda articles from TV, then I cannot pass by and it turns out I am a troll? And when repeaters write "hokhlyandiya, ukrofashists. Rodents, unfinished lumps, vile Jews, small-British padding, nya, mattress bedding and in the same spirit, does it bother you? By the same stupid people they judge all Russians - the Internet is not closed playground .. And then we, Russians, expect that we should be treated normally ...

              Quote: CERBERFOL
              in essence? On this topic? Or do you only teach trolling?
          5. CERBERFOL
            CERBERFOL 17 October 2018 06: 36
            0
            There is no need to fight Israel, you yourself will defeat. You will become Muslims.
            1. alexsipin
              alexsipin 17 October 2018 16: 27
              -1
              Quote: CERBERFOL
              There is no need to fight Israel, you yourself will defeat. You will become Muslims.

              It makes no sense from a theological point of view
        6. Grits
          Grits 17 October 2018 01: 35
          0
          Iskanders should be stationed next to the S-300. This is the best air defense - it destroys aircraft at the airfield along with the airfield itself.
    2. den3080
      den3080 16 October 2018 19: 25
      +3
      that is, the military attache blabbed that the United States had instructed Israel to destroy the S-300. Do I understand correctly?
  2. faiver
    faiver 16 October 2018 17: 53
    +3
    if the Syrians do not build a layered air defense system then it is entirely possible ...
    1. CERBERFOL
      CERBERFOL 16 October 2018 19: 08
      0
      Wikipedia open the "Arab-Israeli conflict" how many times they have an echeloned air defense system built by the Soviet military. advisers, on the model of the USSR, rolled out !? Then our politicians took the same position as now. Nothing changed
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 October 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      if the Syrians do not build a layered air defense system then it is entirely possible ...

      It will not be the Syrians who will build it, but we ... what we are doing. And, until the calculations, so far, will be Iranian, under our officers.
      1. mvg
        mvg 16 October 2018 19: 40
        +3
        It is not the Syrians who will build it, but we ...

        Andrei, this has happened more than once, and not two ... We built air defense and gave air defense to it, and we flew there ourselves ... the result is known, I see no reason for it to change much ... Be there even 4, at least 6 S-300 divisions, plus armor, beeches, torahs, krasukhs ... It will simply be a little more difficult for Jews, but they will not get used to it. But the reputation of our air defense can be greatly dampened.
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        2. Sergey39
          Sergey39 16 October 2018 20: 27
          +1
          The reputation of Israeli offensive weapons can also be tarnished.
        3. dima-fesko
          dima-fesko 16 October 2018 20: 32
          +2
          Any target can be destroyed. The question is, by what forces and means! What sacrifice to throw on the altar ...... F-35 and F-22 very strong image losses, most likely a massive combined air (F-15, F-16) and ground strikes. In case of success - "halo" over your head, if failure - they say used old stuff!
          1. mvg
            mvg 16 October 2018 20: 51
            0
            total massive air combined (F-15, F-16) and ground attacks

            It is possible to disable the 64N6E2 detection radar and the 30N6E2 guidance and illumination (just in case) 300N250EXNUMX by OTR strikes, of which Israel has a lot. In this case, shells, beeches, tori will "rest" .. then the massive launch of Delil, from outside the range of the S-XNUMX (from XNUMX km).
            There are many options.
            PS: Anyway, such junk as Jerechon 1, 2 must be put somewhere, that's just the goal for them. The worst thing is that we (the Syrians) are the defending side, Israel will always have the initiative.
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 16 October 2018 22: 24
              +3
              Quote: mvg
              Radar detection 64N6E2 and guidance and illumination (just in case) 30N6E2

              KPS and on-load tap-changer are combat, not duty systems. They are included only when the target is already in the affected area. And after combat work they leave for reserve positions within 5 minutes. Any OTP is aimed at the coordinates, which are problematic to determine if GPS fails. But even if a maneuver is not foreseen in advance, the fact of a missile launch is always fixed by SPRN systems and it will be possible to complete a timely maneuver.
              In addition, the Israeli media leaked information that the Krasukha-4 complex triggered the Israeli Iron Dome system and even a rocket was launched. In my opinion, this is also a good containment option and the last Chinese warning.
              1. mvg
                mvg 17 October 2018 11: 49
                0
                complex Krasukha-4 forced the Israeli system "Iron Dome" to work and even a rocket was launched

                A rare nonsense in the media skips .. Do not blame me.
            2. alexsipin
              alexsipin 16 October 2018 23: 16
              -3
              Quote: mvg
              Anyway, such an old thing as Jerechon 1, 2 must be put somewhere, that's just the goal for them.

              Use these missiles, anyway. what to shoot from a grenade launcher at bedbugs.
              1. mvg
                mvg 17 October 2018 11: 52
                0
                shoot a grenade launcher at bedbugs

                Why? KVO with inertial guidance system, within 10-50 meters, does not depend on GPS ... just what you need. The flight time is minimal. What is the problem actually? Or is it possible to use the X-101 for dugouts and tents, worth 3 rubles, and the OTRK Jerekhon is expensive?
                1. alexsipin
                  alexsipin 17 October 2018 21: 47
                  0
                  Quote: mvg
                  Jerechon

                  These missiles do not always have warheads with conventional charges.
                  1. mvg
                    mvg 17 October 2018 22: 00
                    0
                    Conventional warheads

                    Why does Israel need special warheads for short- and medium-range missiles (500-3500)? Well, you can have 10-20 Jerekhon-2 missiles with nuclear warheads against Iran, but about 100 of them are built.
                    So the rest with a land mine ...
                    Here is Jerekhon-3, like only 18 mines .. they feel sorry for them, and OTRK is a consumable ..
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 18 October 2018 19: 25
                      0
                      Do not split, do not think laughing
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 16 October 2018 23: 14
          +1
          You, my friend, have selective memory.
        5. user1212
          user1212 17 October 2018 04: 44
          0
          Quote: mvg
          We built air defense and gave air defense to it, and flew there ourselves ... the result is known, I see no reason for it to change much ...

          And what does not suit you the result of the air defense of 1973?
  3. Fungus
    Fungus 16 October 2018 17: 53
    0
    Let Israel sit at home. There is nothing for him to climb into Syria anymore.
    1. DMoroz
      DMoroz 16 October 2018 17: 58
      +1
      But they can’t do it already. They are afraid to meddle in Syria, so even to bomb the Libyan and the Golan on a far-fetched pretext ... There are no options for an answer there ...
      1. Russia
        Russia 16 October 2018 18: 03
        +3
        Israel in thought, a game of nerves. smile
      2. alexsipin
        alexsipin 16 October 2018 23: 17
        +1
        Quote: DMoroz
        But they can’t do it already. They are afraid to meddle in Syria, so even to bomb the Libyan and the Golan on a far-fetched pretext ... There are no options for an answer there ...

        Libya, Karl, Libya. Geography is such an incomprehensible science.
        1. MANITU
          MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 45
          +4
          Quote: alexsipin
          Quote: DMoroz
          But they can’t do it already. They are afraid to meddle in Syria, so even to bomb the Libyan and the Golan on a far-fetched pretext ... There are no options for an answer there ...

          Libya, Karl, Libya. Geography is such an incomprehensible science.


          I'm afraid he did not understand)))))))))))))) Two bast shoes on the map ....))))))))))))
  4. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 16 October 2018 17: 55
    +2
    The opinion of American generals and Israeli analysts for normal people is the same as the opinion of British scientists.
  5. regdan
    regdan 16 October 2018 17: 56
    +11
    The Yankees are tired of protesting the S-300. Looking for fools. Israel candidate number odYn .... They will sing serenades to the "vaunted" IDF ... Well, when a couple of pepelatsa land, the Yankees will shout about the insidious Russia, which ruined the Israeli sparrows ... Citizens of Israel do not get fooled by all sorts of sweet speeches, start thinking with your head. ..
    1. MANITU
      MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 52
      +3
      Well, when a couple of pepelats will land

      But I think that if something happens, the Jews will act against the S-300 as always meanly! They will hit in the back at the moment when no one expects, also from the direction where they should not be! And the most vile - they use the curvature of the Earth and the complex terrain above the sea! so sneaky people they are!
  6. BAI
    BAI 16 October 2018 18: 01
    +3
    Zvak could not answer the question of the RIA Novosti journalist about what relations will form between the Russian Federation and Israel if the latter strikes the S-300 in the SAR.

    And what does the Russian Federation have to do with it, if there are no Russian troops on the S-300?
    1. turcom
      turcom 16 October 2018 20: 32
      +1
      Are you a C300 specialist. Do you really think that people in the General Staff are dumber than YOU?
      1. aiden
        aiden 17 October 2018 00: 39
        +1
        Surely there is dumber.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 16 October 2018 18: 04
    +1
    The issue of price.
    This is their sandbox, our capabilities are limited there, and for specific tasks not everything is clear ....
    Okay, the striped people can't say anything else, do the "chosen ones" themselves gutare?
    It’s not that little shit, it’s puffed up on the site, but those guys, the center ones, who really decide everything!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 16 October 2018 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      , themselves that "chosen" sho gutar?
      It’s not that little shit, it’s puffed up on the site, but those guys, the center ones, who really decide everything!

      Their defense minister seemed to have made it clear if they would interfere with the roll out and did not see who the Syrians or Russians would be sitting at the consoles. It would be nice if two defense ministers clashed in melee, a Jew and a Tuvan. I bet on a Tuvinian. laughing
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 16 October 2018 18: 51
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        It would be nice if two defense ministers clashed in melee, a Jew and a Tuvan. I bet on a Tuvinian. laughing

        a Jew from Chisinau has the first two categories. In boxing and sambo. And the Tuvinian?
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 16 October 2018 19: 03
          +2
          This is a thing of the past, how much time has passed since receiving the digits? So sho tolleo fight will show angry
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 October 2018 19: 36
            +1
            Tuvan wrestling Tuvan boys have all the type of top!
            We heard the sho said the center, remember .... and for what nafig, Bi Bi then washed up to us? For the Tuvan boys, or for all their feathered?
            Of course, I would like to see how the birds flock and the hunters seem ..... stupid, do not need this either one or the other, because there will be losses on both sides, and some will have problems.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 16 October 2018 20: 13
            +3
            Quote: Evil543
            This is a thing of the past, how much time has passed since receiving the digits? So sho tolleo fight will show angry

            They are more likely to thump together than to fight)))
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 16 October 2018 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Semurg
          It would be nice if two defense ministers clashed in melee, a Jew and a Tuvan. I bet on a Tuvinian. laughing

          a Jew from Chisinau has the first two categories. In boxing and sambo. And the Tuvinian?

          Tuvinian for me is his Turk. laughing
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 16 October 2018 22: 02
            +2
            Quote: Semurg
            Tuvin for me your Turk

            Tuvinians are ours too, Orthodox yes
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  8. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 16 October 2018 18: 05
    +3
    It is interesting here to look at the possibilities of both sides.
    Will Israeli IS get to the position of air defense systems; whether their special forces will crawl there.
    And where will the Syrians shoot at the massive shelling.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 16 October 2018 18: 22
      -6
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      It is interesting here to look at the possibilities of both sides.
      Will Israeli IS get to the position of air defense systems; whether their special forces will crawl there.
      And where will the Syrians shoot at the massive shelling.

      Jews, if such a task is to stand, can also multiply the base with hainim and tartus by zero. There are enough forces and means, the Russian Federation can only answer.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 16 October 2018 18: 38
        +4
        Quote: Semurg
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        It is interesting here to look at the possibilities of both sides.
        Will Israeli IS get to the position of air defense systems; whether their special forces will crawl there.
        And where will the Syrians shoot at the massive shelling.

        Jews, if such a task is to stand, can also multiply the base with hainim and tartus by zero. There are enough forces and means, the Russian Federation can only answer.

        Why does Israel also need a war with Russia?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 16 October 2018 19: 34
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: Semurg
          Quote: Carpenter 2329
          It is interesting here to look at the possibilities of both sides.
          Will Israeli IS get to the position of air defense systems; whether their special forces will crawl there.
          And where will the Syrians shoot at the massive shelling.

          Jews, if such a task is to stand, can also multiply the base with hainim and tartus by zero. There are enough forces and means, the Russian Federation can only answer.

          Why does Israel also need a war with Russia?

          Conflicts often
          have their own logic and are not subject to our wishes.
      2. flicker
        flicker 16 October 2018 19: 06
        +7
        Jews, if such a task is to stand, can multiply the base with hmeinim and tartus by zero
        laughing Do you deny the Jews the mind? laughing
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 16 October 2018 19: 31
          +3
          Quote: flicker
          Jews, if such a task is to stand, can multiply the base with hmeinim and tartus by zero
          laughing Do you deny the Jews the mind? laughing

          Is there a post about the mind of the Jews. The post was that if there would be such a task. And today no one knows where the current conflict in Syria will take it. Jews at one time had an American ship pokotsali when they decided that they need it, from a great mind or stupidity I did not know, but they did.
          1. flicker
            flicker 16 October 2018 23: 31
            0
            The post was that if there would be such a task.
            But does the task itself arise, or does someone set it? And if all the same someone puts it, then he probably sees the consequences of solving this problem.
            But even if the last Israeli madman sets such a task, then even in this case they will not be able to "multiply by zero" our bases ...
        2. Shahno
          Shahno 16 October 2018 19: 44
          +1
          They can, but they won’t ... If the Israeli f is destroyed, and even with the victims, the next round will go, which is unknown.
    2. MANITU
      MANITU 17 October 2018 00: 57
      +1
      It is interesting here to look at the possibilities of both sides.


      And I'm waiting for briefings with cartoons by Konashenkov according to the results)))))
  9. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 16 October 2018 18: 08
    +5
    Israeli planes will find the S-300. Pilots will be found later.
    1. Yuri T.
      Yuri T. 16 October 2018 19: 26
      +2
      Maybe only fragments of pilots?
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 16 October 2018 18: 09
    +3
    According to wisdom, there is no fortress that does not fall in front of a golden donkey.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 16 October 2018 18: 22
      -1
      I was afraid, and if another donkey also comes to power, there’s no need for gold, he’ll do everything himself, as the enemy needs am
    2. flicker
      flicker 16 October 2018 19: 15
      0
      As wisdom says, there is no fortress that does not fall in front of a golden donkey
      Come on :
      "Everything is mine," said the gold; "Everything is mine," said the damask. "I will buy everything," said the gold; "I'll take everything," said the damask.
      It looks much more relevant.
      So donkeys with gold may not be enough. bully
  11. mr_Flint
    mr_Flint 16 October 2018 18: 15
    +1
    be sure to bang, all the tsagal to dust. but then.
  12. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 16 October 2018 18: 20
    -3
    zvak, this is not only a surname, but also a diagnosis indicating progressive dementia and chronic insanity fool Sound sick wassat the senate of the united states and congress is actually totally fool
  13. Bellerophon
    Bellerophon 16 October 2018 18: 30
    +5
    The rather elderly C-300 has already put the "advanced" Israel Air Force in an awkward position. A month of silence is a good gift to Iran. Will you find the ability to destroy the S-300? So don't bother us, tell us straight - do you want Iran to have S-400s? Do you need it?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 16 October 2018 18: 40
      +2
      While the S-300 has Russian personnel, Israel will not do anything against the air defense systems. Maximum - hit Hezbollah or the Iranians from other carriers, not planes.
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 16 October 2018 18: 44
        -1
        Krasnodar - having given C300 to the Syrians over time, we will hang a Russian flag on each machine, and a flag attack is in essence and sense the declaration of US war by Israel. So you won’t do anything, we will find a way to discourage your flyers from spoiling the Syrians.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 16 October 2018 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: ANCIENT
          Krasnodar - having given C300 to the Syrians over time, we will hang a Russian flag on each machine, and a flag attack is in essence and sense the declaration of US war by Israel. So you won’t do anything, we will find a way to discourage your flyers from spoiling the Syrians.

          This is ... wise tactics laughing I don’t know if the RF Ministry of Defense will follow it ... I even doubt very much what will follow, but, in my opinion, the Jews from the destruction of the IRGC and Hezbollah on the territory of what was formerly called the Syrian Arab Republic will not stop it.
          1. ANCIENT
            ANCIENT 16 October 2018 19: 13
            -2
            the Krasnodar-Syrian Arab Republic your Israel will survive, so do not brag about how much in vain, because Israel knows how to fight against the civilian population, and the Syrians, what year, were restrained by the spread of terrorism in the region, left to their own devices, until we, Russia, came to their aid. their real experience in waging war against terrorists will be much richer than yours.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 16 October 2018 19: 18
              +3
              Quote: ANCIENT
              the Krasnodar-Syrian Arab Republic your Israel will survive, so do not brag about how much in vain, because Israel knows how to fight against the civilian population, and the Syrians, what year, were restrained by the spread of terrorism in the region, left to their own devices, until we, Russia, came to their aid. their real experience in waging war against terrorists will be much richer than yours.

              Well, let's put it this way - Israel beat the same Syria in conventional wars, moreover, in a coalition with Egypt, Jordan and the contingents of Iraq and Morocco. As for the fight against terror - I doubt that the Syrian experience is more than the Israeli - it is just different. In Syria, it is also an inter-confessional conflict between citizens of one country - i.e. Civil War.
              1. ANCIENT
                ANCIENT 16 October 2018 19: 27
                -1
                Krasnodar, firstly, Israel fought the last time in 1982, and then only bomb from the air from a safe distance for you, and in Syria there is a nominal civil war, because there is no good there — scum from around the world are trying to tear the country to pieces .Uvas more equipment and weapons - at the moment - the Syrians have much more experience.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 16 October 2018 20: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: ANCIENT
                  Krasnodar, firstly, Israel fought the last time in 1982, and then only bomb from the air from a safe distance for you, and in Syria there is a nominal civil war, because there is no good there — scum from around the world are trying to tear the country to pieces .Uvas more equipment and weapons - at the moment - the Syrians have much more experience.

                  Experience in what? In a long war in a built-up area with combatants? Maybe. The Israelis have everything short-term - the last time in Gaza such battles were fought against Hamas and Islamic Jihad in 2014. In the battles against the normal army, the Syrians were in the same 82nd. Against Israel laughing And the rest - yes. Soldiers are fired at. But again, they have a different type of war experience.
                2. MANITU
                  MANITU 17 October 2018 01: 09
                  +1
                  Krasnodar-firstly, Israel last fought in 1982


                  But with what serious adversary did Russia fight after WW2? great experience, or does the Zvezda channel inspire confidence? And YOU really think that the Russian contingent in Syria has great chances to survive in case of heat? Yes, even though there will be some superheroes with spider-men, they will be rolled out, because they are far from home, and the logistics - you yourself know not in favor of Russia, and Israel's allies will be more massive ... It's good that the leaders of the Russian Federation understand this and not very hot
  14. ruha
    ruha 16 October 2018 18: 42
    0
    Quote: ruha
    C300 should be guarded by several shells, as much as possible. in order not to work, as when the shell was destroyed.

    well, pieces of 20 pieces
    1. MANITU
      MANITU 17 October 2018 01: 11
      +1
      Quote: ruha
      Quote: ruha
      C300 should be guarded by several shells, as much as possible. in order not to work, as when the shell was destroyed.

      well, pieces of 20 pieces


      and Yakuts with karamultuki 40 for each shilka!))))
    2. alexsipin
      alexsipin 17 October 2018 21: 51
      -2
      Quote: ruha
      well, pieces of 20 pieces

      Case snipers with SVD.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 October 2018 18: 53
    +1
    I agree with the general .... the main question is how to distinguish a peacefully flying Israeli fighter or a PP or a tanker in the reach of the C300 from an attacking F16 with a KR on board ?!
    1. vik669
      vik669 16 October 2018 19: 15
      +2
      how to distinguish how to distinguish - yes to distinguish by debris on the earth !!!
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 17 October 2018 21: 23
        0
        This is the main problem that Israel is using.
  16. vik669
    vik669 16 October 2018 19: 10
    0
    In order for the S-300 air defense systems that Russia handed over to Damascus to be destroyed, in the end there will be a situation when Israel will be destroyed, because it is vital for them! And it’s like .... but you want more than ...!
  17. Machito
    Machito 16 October 2018 19: 22
    +1
    Let them try to advertise the S-300
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 16 October 2018 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Semurg
    Jews, if such a task is to stand, can also multiply the base with hainim and tartus by zero. There are enough forces and means, the Russian Federation can only answer.

    Suicides or what? This Americans can not afford, although they really want to.
    There is no need to measure spherical cats in a vacuum: the Khmeimim base is against Israel! Because this is whose base you need. And the answer will be so fast that the excuse "the planes have already returned to the airfields" will not be heard. They will have nowhere to return.
    And Israel, if she listens to such retired McCain drummers, will last no longer than the Kingdom of Jerusalem of the Crusaders. It will remain such a fun fact in the long history of the Middle East.
  19. mvd ru
    mvd ru 16 October 2018 19: 34
    +2
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    a Jew from Chisinau has the first two categories. In boxing and sambo. And the Tuvinian

    then Zolotov will go wink
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  20. Radon
    Radon 16 October 2018 19: 41
    -1
    You can destroy everything, the question is what price and difficulties.
    You can come on foot and turn it off with you.

    There is a political question, if there will be Russians then you can’t shoot.
    But if there are Russians there and it is they who shoot at Israel, then in fact it turns out they also become a legitimate target.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 16 October 2018 22: 00
      +3
      Quote: Radon
      There is a political question, if there will be Russians then you can’t shoot.

      Mr. Rabinovich, reading the above lines, looked, with one eye, at the state of your rating (a buying man's tear rolled down my cheek) and thought to me: "Maybe he can put a few pluses, otherwise Radon is in the red, not to say worse." By inertia I read further:
      Quote: Radon
      But if there are Russians there and it is they who shoot at Israel, then in fact it turns out they also become a legitimate target.

      and then it finally dawned on me: - "Do I need it for cholera?" wassat
      1. MANITU
        MANITU 17 October 2018 01: 14
        +3
        Mr. Rabinovich, reading the above lines, looked, with one eye, at the status of your rating


        Here, everyone likes it, you entered the wrong place
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 17 October 2018 09: 02
          0
          Yeah, you see, shanovny! wassat
    2. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 18 October 2018 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Radon
      You can destroy everything, the question is what price and difficulties.
      You can come on foot and turn it off with you.

      Yes, and unfortunately the experience of abduction of the Soviet radar from Israel already exists.
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  22. vit357
    vit357 16 October 2018 19: 54
    -2
    S-300 will find the opportunity to destroy Israel.
  23. dolfi1
    dolfi1 16 October 2018 20: 16
    +1
    Are we raising the rating again? Now the American has been dragged in for the sake of "encouraging the topic."
    They have already said here that Israel and Russia are not interested in the confrontation.
    And let the Americans, Iranians, Syrians, etc., jump and heat up as much as they like, no one will heat up the situation with a specialist.
    My opinion is that there could well be a setup of Iranians and Syrians with an airplane, it’s easy to buy or motivate jihad. There was a case among the Americans even in the army that a Muslim shot soldiers on religious grounds, to say nothing of the Syrians.
    1. MANITU
      MANITU 17 October 2018 01: 24
      +1
      [quoteSaid here already, Israel and Russia are not interested in the confrontation.] [/ quote]

      Don’t waste your time. You’re better at judging the FIFA World Cup. The vast majority of Russians are normal, peace-loving people ... And this .. Napoleons who are not successful, they rule with Prigogine’s .. Prigogine pays normal money, but you’re trying to find supporters for free .. . you feel the difference!)))))
  24. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 16 October 2018 20: 17
    0
    Israel will do its best and find a reason for
    Well, there is no reason that no one doubts ......., but the second part of the quote requires proof!
    As the famous character said "Let them fly"!
  25. StudentVK
    StudentVK 16 October 2018 20: 30
    -3
    They like a cat causal place haunts) All lick and lick
  26. Stas Snezhin
    Stas Snezhin 16 October 2018 20: 45
    -3
    So here, the American brigadier general decides
    how to act your mongrel ..
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 16 October 2018 20: 46
    0
    The US does not know how to push Israel into a conflict with Russia? From here, expert opinions, ratings and other things convince citizens that the issue has already been resolved.
  28. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 16 October 2018 21: 34
    +1
    Such information has passed (maybe a fake, there is no confirmation yet):
    "SUSPECTIVE" AIR ACTIVITY - POSSIBLE ISRAELI ATTACK IN SYRIA
    An hour ago, at 12: 30 US Eastern Time, four Israeli military aircraft were airborne over northwestern Lebanon and turned east toward Syria.
    Now, as of 1: 35 US Eastern Time, additional “suspicious” air activity is occurring in northeast Jordan and over the western region of Lebanon.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 17 October 2018 01: 20
      +1
      In general, the phrase "Izrail's air activity in the airspace of Lebanon ... Jordan" sounds very strange. It is especially unlikely about Jordan, given the internal situation, weapons, intergovernmental relations with Israil ... If not a fake, then now the Jordanians will probably line up for the S-300 or S-400.
  29. Saint
    Saint 16 October 2018 21: 40
    +1
    If they (C-300) are controlled by the Syrians outside of Russia's control, then in the end there will be a situation where the Israelis will destroy them, because for them it is vital.

    The answer is one - if my grandmother had a different genital organ, she would be a grandfather. And since a naive child.
  30. NKV
    NKV 16 October 2018 22: 01
    +2
    Of course they will find an opportunity, I think that right now such an opportunity is being sought, the question is different - what losses are the Israelis ready to take? And there will be losses, and from all sides, and not only in people and technology
  31. gaudin
    gaudin 16 October 2018 22: 04
    +4
    Quote: CERBERFOL
    Wikipedia open the "Arab-Israeli conflict" how many times they have an echeloned air defense system built by the Soviet military. advisers, on the model of the USSR, rolled out !?

    There you can read at what price the victory got, more than 3 planes were shot down in 100 days.
  32. Mariner
    Mariner 16 October 2018 22: 42
    0
    Yeah, well, as they say))
    In general, the presence of such a level of experts from partners is encouraging.
  33. flicker
    flicker 16 October 2018 23: 10
    +3
    Israel will find an opportunity to destroy C-300 in SAR. Opinion of the american general
    How easily this American general controls the lives of Israelis. Maybe he will also offer them to become "martyrs"? Let him first send his son to destroy the S-300. bully
  34. ashnajder
    ashnajder 17 October 2018 00: 02
    0
    I think it will be destroyed somehow elegantly)))) with imagination.
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  36. LeonidL
    LeonidL 17 October 2018 01: 16
    0
    No need to provoke ... Leopold the Cat warns "Let's live peacefully!"
  37. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 17 October 2018 03: 21
    0
    What is the title !!! and whose opinion is the opinion of the retired military attache of the American embassy in Russia (2012-2014), General Peter Zwak. / Does he even know what it is?
  38. oracle572206
    oracle572206 17 October 2018 05: 00
    +1
    ... I don’t remember how ... but where it started ... armageddon ...
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  40. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 18 October 2018 17: 27
    0
    Quote: oracle572206
    ... I don’t remember how ... but where it started ... armageddon ...

    I can help - it (armageddon) begins in the heads of some experts who think that this will bypass them.