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Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation: In the 1990 and 2000 years the potential of the military-industrial complex was robbed

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Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation: In the 1990 and 2000 years the potential of the military-industrial complex was robbed

D.Rogozin declared illegal privatization of Tupolev and Yakovlev

Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin handed over the materials of the Federal Property Management Agency's inspection to the law enforcement agencies, according to which the real and personal property of the Yakovlev and Tupolev aircraft building holdings was illegally privatized.
"According to our opinion, the property was sold at a very low price," Nikitin reported. “Continue to work,” Rogozin instructed. “Now we are faced with the need to fulfill the state armaments program, but we see that in the 1990s and 2000s the potential of the defense-industrial complex has been plundered. Fear is lost and respect for the law.”

"We will check your information and punish if it is confirmed," Rogozin promised.

According to the Federal Property Management Agency, in 1992, the Yakovlev design bureau received into the ownership about 80 thousand square meters of real estate in the metropolitan area. At the same time, in the period from 2001 to 2006, according to Nikitin, this property was sold at clearly underestimated rates, reports RIA "News".


Nikitin did not rule out that a whole group of people was involved in the sale of land and real estate. "To date, not a single square meter is left," he said.

A similar situation, according to his data, takes place in the Tupolev holding: in the period from 1999 to 2003, with the participation of the management of the holding, more than 100 thousand square meters of real estate in Moscow were sold. In general, the company was transferred about 225 thousand square meters only in the capital. In the end it turned out that when selling this area was incorrectly priced and amounted to 254 thousand square meters, which became clear only after the sale, Nikitin said.


“At the moment it’s a shopping and living space, a shopping center,” said the acting head of the Federal Property Management Agency.

According to him, from 1999 to 2003, Tupolev’s company sold 154 thousand square meters. meters At the same time, the squares were sold at reduced prices to one-day firms. "A number of deals were made with organizations affiliated with the management who worked there at that time," Nikitin said.

Currently, the company "Tupolev" left about 100 thousand square meters. square meters in Moscow, with some of the areas leased, he said.
KB "Tupolev" - design office, currently converted into OAO "Tupolev". Over the 80 years of existence within the walls of the Tupolev design bureau, more than 300 projects of various types of aircraft, small vessels and snowmobiles were developed. Nearly 90 projects were implemented in metal, and around 40 were built in mass production. Produced over 18 thousands of aircraft.
Production program "Tu"





JSC "Experimental Design Bureau named after AS Yakovlev" - a Russian enterprise for the development and production aviation technicians. During its existence, the Design Bureau named after A.S. Yakovleva (OKB-115) produced over 200 types and modifications of aircraft, including more than 100 serial.
Production program "Yak"



The current President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin in January 2012g. Wrote a pre-election article, "We need a new economy." "In her, the head of state said that Privatization of 1990 was dishonest. But taking property now, as some have suggested, would simply lead to a halt in the economy, paralysis of enterprises and a surge in unemployment, "he stressed.

Vladimir Putin then proposed to legitimize the new owners in the eyes of society at the expense of one-time contributions or any other decisions.

22 May 2012. V.Putin signed a decree "On measures to privatize the federal-owned blocks of shares of the largest companies in the fuel and energy complex." Shares of companies owned by Rosneftegaz (100% of shares belong to the state) can be sold on 2013-2015. private entrepreneurs. The exception will be strategic enterprises, in particular, Rosneft.
United Aircraft Corporation




Production program "UAC"




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  1. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 29 May 2012 08: 24
    +24
    I understand that it will be difficult to return at least part of the stolen, but this must be done at least to strengthen people's faith in a better future.
    1. esaul
      esaul 29 May 2012 08: 32
      +14
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      I understand that it will be difficult to return at least part of the stolen

      Dmitry, welcome and add to the words
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      this should be done at least to strengthen people's faith in a better future

      what it needs to be done to revive healthy competition between aircraft manufacturers. Then there will be no lamentation that preferences are available only to one, almost a monopolist. For myself, in this inf I saw one more reason why the enterprises to be rescued were in a deep peak - the consequences of EBN's privatization, the excessive greed of privatization officials and the impotence of those authorities. And now the potency has appeared and the government is beginning to return the stolen goods to the country. It is necessary to chip in on Viagra so that such a state of standing in power does not pass.
      1. танк
        танк 29 May 2012 09: 59
        +7
        And how will they return it? Private property (what the current enterprises are) is inviolable !!! Here, drink Viagra, don’t drink, but you won’t return it back, although I agree with you here.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 29 May 2012 10: 33
          +14
          Quote: tank
          And how will they return it? Private property (what the current enterprises are) is inviolable !!! Here, drink Viagra, don’t drink, but you won’t return it back, although I agree with you here.

          Many of those who "cranked" these "pseudo-privatizations" are alive, the documents are still difficult to establish, but it is possible. I think that with pressure from the state, through the prosecutor's office, tax authorities, etc., it is possible to return the military-industrial complex to the state. But there must be compulsory public punishment of those responsible (courts with media coverage). Must be confiscation of the guilty and their relatives property and mat. values
          1. VAF
            VAF 29 May 2012 12: 52
            +4
            Quote: Aleksey67
            Many of those who "cranked" these "pseudo-privatizations" are still alive, the documents are still difficult to establish, but it is possible


            Absolutely right, Alex, huge + !!!!

            But, as always (after all, I’m not URYA patriot and UNIVERSAL approvals) I have an add-not just alive, but still at the helm, I don’t need to restore the chains, they still work fine, but with maybe ..... this unlikely ... they don’t surrender their own .... facts (?) - the composition of the new cabinet (administration) of the head of state, thought ... well, etc.) !!!!

            For example:

            On May 24, 2012, a press briefing was held at Domodedovo Airport on the prospects for the development of freight transportation in Domodedovo and three sides were presented:
            1. Boeing-747-8F Air Bridge Cargo.
            2. An-124-100 Ruslan.
            3. IL-76TD-90VD company
            (A new cargo terminal is under construction at the airport, the completion and commissioning of which is scheduled for the end of 2013.)

            GUESS THREE TIMES which aircraft will be purchased ???
            I guessed from one !!!!
            That's right ... under number 1 !!!
            For reference for those who are not "in the know" - AirBridgeCargo Airlines, a Russian company that is part of the Volga-Dnepr group of companies.


            Air Bridge Cargo (ABC) has become the first customer in Russia of a new modification of the Boeing-747-8 Freighter.


            And you still dream of some kind of "revival" and future production ????
            Plans that is, but only on paper and in numbers, but in fact ????

            And what kind of Russian planes are there for the GA and BTA when around it is ....:


            And ... such .....
            1. postman
              29 May 2012 17: 24
              +4
              Quote: veteran.air force
              GUESS THREE TIMES which aircraft will be purchased ???

              THE ANSWER IS IN LTH, fuel, profitability, ecology and noise.
              Business, nothing personal.
              =================
              LTH:
              Modification of the Boeing 747-8F
              Wingspan, m 68.45
              Aircraft Length, m 76.25
              Aircraft height, m ​​19.35
              Wing area, m2
              Weight, kg
              empty equipped aircraft 191100
              maximum takeoff 442000
              Engine type 4 turbofan General Electric GEnx-2B67
              Rod, kN 4 x 296
              Maximum speed, km / h 988
              Cruising speed, km / h 908
              Practical range, km 8288
              Practical ceiling, m 13000
              Crew, people 2
              Payload 134 kg
              Fuel efficiency, g / t km 102-116
              / unverified data, if correctly translated miles and halons /
              Cost = $ 301.5-304.5 million
              [img]http://leehamnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/b747va380.jpg?w=461&h=33[/img
              ]

              [img]http://leehamnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lha380b748.jpg?w=438&h=211[/i
              mg]

              =======================
              747-8 Freighter unmatched in class. Empty weight 747-8 is 81 tons less than at the freight A380, it consumes 24% less fuel per ton, which means that the total amount of expenses for a flight is lower than that of a competitor by 20%, and ton-kilometer cost is 22% lower.
              747 8 guaranteed to meet QC2 standards on noise and emissions


              LTH:
              Modification of the An-124-100
              Wingspan, m 73.30
              Length of aircraft, m 69.10
              Aircraft Height, m ​​21.10
              Wing area, m2 628.50
              Weight, kg
              empty 173000 aircraft
              normal takeoff 392000
              maximum takeoff 405000
              Domestic fuel, kg 213714
              Engine type 4 turbofan engine Progress (V.A. Lotarev) D-18T ser.3
              Rod, kN 4 x 229.47
              Cruising speed, km / h 850
              Ferrying range, km 15700
              Practical range, km 8400
              Practical ceiling, m 12000
              Crew, people 4
              Payload: 120000-150000 kg of commercial cargo
              The cost of the aircraft is estimated at approximately $ 70 million.
              Fuel efficiency, g / t km 145

              =============================
              IL-76TD-90VD
              Maximum take-off weight - 190 (210) tons
              Maximum landing weight - 151,5 (160) tons
              Maximum load - 47 (60) tons
              Flight range - 4000 km (5000 at 52 tons)
              Takeoff run - 1750 m (1600 at 210 tons)

              The new modification has a new design wing for a take-off maximum of 210 tons, reinforced chassis. The crew includes six people (previously there were seven).
              Not changed: cruising speed (750-800 km per hour) and the length / volume of the cargo compartment - 24,5 meters / 312 cubic meters.
              Range (to): 6700 km
              Practical ceiling: 12000 m

              Fuel efficiency, g / t km 140
              Cost from $ 30 million (?)

              Next
              Assigned Resource
              Engine running time for rent for repair?
              Labor costs for repairs and maintenance?
              The cost of a standard hour?
              1. VAF
                VAF 29 May 2012 22: 19
                +1
                Quote: Postman
                Business, nothing personal.


                Have I really begun to bury my thoughts so deeply? which I am trying to convey ??? fool


                Quote: Postman
                Business, nothing personal.


                Or is it an attempt to "cover" the fact that in fact we now have no new production of either An-124, or Il-76, or Il-476 ...?
                And only one STUFF and OK, and "grandiose plans for the 25-30th years ????

                And Aeroflot's purchase of 50 new Boeings (!!!) instead of Tu-204 (214) is the same "business" ???
                Maybe, of course, you know better!


                Quote: Postman
                fuel, economy, ecology and noise.


                As you have noticed, I "quite a bit" "understand" in aviation ... so, of course, for your help +!
                All the same, for all to see, they were stumbling, many really tried, but ...... about these parameters, especially environmental friendliness and noise, it is not necessary .... not beautiful!

                I know where and how they "appear", "with whom they agree" and how they are "declared" according to ICAO standards! drinks
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 29 May 2012 22: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: veteran.air force
                  then I "quite a little" "understand" in aviation ...

                  Sergey, ate a guy good
                  And Aeroflot's purchase of 50 new Boeings (!!!) instead of Tu-204 (214) is the same "business" ???

                  But this "business" should be dealt with by the Prosecutor's Office, with all that it implies ...
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 30 May 2012 00: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    Sergey, ate a guy


                    I just don't like incompetence, but ... by simply rewriting the TTD ...

                    And with this "approach and thinking", we will wait for what will be like this, as in the photo:


                    And ours there. Even under a magnifying glass you will not make out!


                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    But this "business" should be dealt with by the Prosecutor's Office,


                    I agree to 1000%, ++++ !!!! But who will deal with them .. ????
                    I am hinting at an article about the Algerian Mig-29's counterfeit !!! am

                    I hope .. you have no illusion that this "purchase" gag ???
                    Look for fun yourself on what TRANSAERO is flying now well and the rest .....
                    1. Aleksey67
                      Aleksey67 30 May 2012 00: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: veteran.air force
                      I hope .. you have no illusion that this "purchase" is a gimmick ???

                      Unfortunately, those who stand up for the creation of jobs in Russia and the rise of the domestic aviation industry, for "a little money" and sign contracts for the purchase (leasing) of imported liners. We can grind off all our teeth, but it comes from above and ... Although Nadezhda dies last, in this case she is already "buried" crying
                      1. stas64
                        stas64 30 May 2012 11: 07
                        +1
                        Alexei in the latter, you are still somewhat wrong - hope dies with the hopeful!
                    2. postman
                      30 May 2012 02: 01
                      +4
                      veteran.air force "I do not like not competence,
                      Let's try "competently", maybe then fell in love?
                      Only without verbiage.
                      And tomorrow?
                  2. postman
                    30 May 2012 01: 45
                    +4
                    Aleksey67,
                    No one has "escaped" me!
                    No need to write nonsense.
                    I did not fly much on the military:
                    In addition to the SU-24 (dummy) and76 (passenger) in Leninokan, no where.
                    But on passengers, from 90-practical to everyone (both Western and domestic), regularly, to the new Zealand.
                    Incomparable positions.
                    Just that brother flew at 204, said: for the last time ......
                    If necessary, I’ll retell it.
                    And the prosecutor’s office will not do anything.
                    How they could not put everyone on a vaz / kamaz since 2008, despite the duties of 25%, but bearing the euro / cm3
                2. postman
                  30 May 2012 01: 57
                  +6
                  veteran.air force,

                  Did I express any doubts?
                  The question was asked: why?
                  The answer was given: because!
                  All other insinuations are empty, populist, calculated for the public.
                  Before writing nonsense, they read at least the "wings" of the concern.
                  There a typical situation is described.
                  Well, there is NOT a single national carrier that, under pressure from a "domestic manufacturer", with other things being equal, would choose a foreign manufacturer. It never happened, it never happens and never will.
                  Note, not the topic: of all "serious" countries (I will not list), except for "banana" and the CIS, only our leaders of the nation drive foreign cars, urging citizens to drive domestic ones.
                  About IPHONE, iPad, SHARP and what I don’t know, I will not say anything .....
                  ,
                3. badabing
                  badabing 31 May 2012 15: 07
                  0
                  this topic is also discussed here http://malchish.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=414&Itemid=1
                  most interesting in the comments
                  if it’s interesting and really has something to say essentially and without emotion, please participate
          2. танк
            танк 29 May 2012 13: 14
            +3
            Must be confiscation of the guilty and their relatives property and mat. values

            As far as I know, this is forbidden (by relatives)? But it’s not realistic to find loopholes, they have lawyers there who haven’t even dreamed of to the state !!!
          3. stas64
            stas64 30 May 2012 11: 03
            +1
            totally agree, but! who is he pushing from the state? Putin ?????? gentlemen do not tell !!!!!!!!
            Quote: “The current President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, in January 2012 wrote an election article“ We need a new economy. ”“ In it, the head of state said that the privatization of the 1990s. was dishonest. But the weaning of property now, as some suggest, would simply lead to a halt in the economy, paralysis of enterprises and a surge in unemployment, "he stressed."
            And that's it! In the best case, someday, the state at reckless prices will buy it all back. If the state itself by the name of Russia by that time will continue.
          4. Andriuha077
            Andriuha077 31 May 2012 17: 36
            +1
            No chains are needed; protesting the first transaction is enough. World experience.
            But in reality, criminal privatizations will continue, the electorate cost no more than a couple of silver coins.
        2. postman
          29 May 2012 12: 24
          +7
          Fraud with privatization is one thing, and damage to defense is completely different
          1) privatization:
          Article 159, part 2 or part 3 to 6 and to 10, respectively)
          Article 175. Part 1 (1-3g) or Part 2 (group up to 5) Part 3 of the organized criminal group and official position (up to 7)
          Articles 196 and 197 (if bankrupt) up to 6 years)
          2) but the crime against state security is somewhat different
          th "heaviness".
          Chapter 29, Article 275

          "... any other assistance to a foreign state, foreign organization or their representatives in carrying out hostile activities to the detriment of the external security of the Russian Federation, committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation, is punishable by imprisonment for a term of twelve to twenty years, with or without confiscation of property."

          Other assistance to a foreign state, foreign organization or their representatives in the process of conducting hostile activities against the Russian Federation is in actions that are not covered by espionage or the issuance of state secrets
    2. andrew.z
      andrew.z 29 May 2012 10: 25
      +5
      Of course not to return. It is interesting that now, to this day, well, no one even guessed ... And since the statute of limitations has long passed, now everyone has their eyes opened: they are stealing !!!
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 29 May 2012 10: 35
        +7
        Quote: andrew.z
        Of course not to return. It’s interesting that, to this day, well, no one even guessed ... And since the statute of limitations has long passed,

        Not strong in the Criminal Procedure Code, but in my Art. "Treason to the Motherland" has no statute of limitations. I think that lawyers can also "pick" other articles.
        1. nitro
          nitro 29 May 2012 10: 50
          +7
          Something I did not understand: Rogozin was completely lost in space and time, and forgot about subordination ?!
          Almost all of the 2000s, he taxied the defense industry and even was the Minister of Defense, while Tovarisch Sergey Ivanov, Vladimir Vladimirovich's faithful right hand! Remember that one? This is the one that competed for the emperor’s crown with Medvedev! And now the Administration successfully and effectively steers the same GDP!
          That is, the Chekist official Ivanov very effectively and successfully coped with all the tasks assigned to him and left behind an impressive reserve for future centuries!
          And then some kind of cheers patriot comes who hasn’t done anything to his age in this life and is trying to dirty slander Putin’s favorite!
          We will not allow discord and slander of the most worthy sovereign people to all critics and tantrums! Fight Rogozin!
          1. andrew.z
            andrew.z 29 May 2012 11: 20
            +3
            Ivanov was not far-sighted enough. Again, they did not tell him ... that everyone had stolen.
        2. 755962
          755962 29 May 2012 10: 54
          +1
          When will there be real landings?
          1. andrew.z
            andrew.z 29 May 2012 11: 24
            +3
            Themselves tossed out ?!
        3. postman
          29 May 2012 12: 29
          +5
          Quote: Aleksey67
          no statute of limitations

          It has
          Chapter 29, Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (up to 20 years)

          Chapter 11, Article 78. Exemption from criminal liability in connection with the expiration of limitation periods
          Part 1 g) fifteen years after commission especially serious crime.
          CC RF


          LIFE IS NO BY ARTICLE 353,356,357,358
          (Chapter 11, Article 78, part 5)
          "crimes against the peace and security of mankind"
      2. freedom
        freedom 29 May 2012 11: 52
        +3
        If you want, you can get to the pillar.
        1. postman
          29 May 2012 16: 27
          +3
          Quote: freedom
          If you want, you can get to the bottom

          Do not.
          The law must be for everyone, and it must be respected.
          Otherwise, there will be no respect for him (the Law).
  2. Dmitry23RUS
    Dmitry23RUS 29 May 2012 08: 34
    +4
    Here is a normal man, working tirelessly for the revival of Russia.
    The main thing is that he succeed !!
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 29 May 2012 08: 54
      +8
      There would be more Rogozins in Russia. I want changes, no strength ...
    2. party3AH
      party3AH 29 May 2012 11: 42
      +6
      No matter how "a normal man" has "left", many "privatizers" may not like that someone can deprive them of their "honestly acquired" economy, whisper to someone at the top, or stupidly substitute them.
  3. Dust
    Dust 29 May 2012 08: 40
    +5
    Ek caught on! Still twenty years later remembered!
    You no longer have those design bureaus, you can forget - the fruits of decades of hard work of several generations of designers have long been cheated ...
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 29 May 2012 09: 21
      +4
      finally realized that the potential of the defense industry was plundered! You can't return the past, but you need to figure it out, and take the "gills" who you should. And what is left, preserve and develop!
  4. AlexMH
    AlexMH 29 May 2012 09: 29
    +11
    I do not know how things are in the Yakovlev design bureau, but the Tupolev design bureau actually died. Everything was sold, leased, in the famous building on Radio Street some kind of left-wing commercial quasi-university and offices, none of our graduates who went to work there could not stay there - salaries are pennies, there is almost no work, only old people are left, there are no new planes designed and not built. The management is engaged in some incomprehensible business. Alas, as the Strugatskys wrote, "It has been proven that if a person is not given water, fed and treated, he will be unhappy and may even die."
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 29 May 2012 15: 55
      +2
      Oh yeah! I remember how in the mid-nineties, in the workshop where the 160 was invented, they began to rivet the doors using Finnish technologies. the only workspace in the KB was. no buffet yet. we have two and a half pensioners and a couple of students in our model. and silence ... or rather a radio beacon. from KB one name - "Academician Tupolev Embankment"
  5. Altergo
    Altergo 29 May 2012 09: 40
    +5
    For a long time to plant such privatizers together with corrupt officials, including by all means pulling out London sitters.
  6. King
    King 29 May 2012 10: 02
    +6
    Rogozin well done. Of course it will be difficult for him to seize property from the mafia. but I think Putin will cope with
  7. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 29 May 2012 10: 04
    +6
    Who will plant? The entire law enforcement and judicial systems "pocket" have been privatized long ago and reliably! Rogozin is in the minority and will not be able to do anything serious, and if the "corn" comes in very painful, they will take a cockroach as an ambassador into the darkness.
  8. itr
    itr 29 May 2012 10: 11
    +4
    And what is different in Sukhoi?
  9. darkman70
    darkman70 29 May 2012 10: 25
    +6
    Yes, the same thing everywhere. And everyone has known this for a long time. When I watched the news
    the feeling of some kind of PR company did not leave.
    1. andrew.z
      andrew.z 29 May 2012 11: 36
      +3
      So all the news releases are like that. Previously, even a block from the world of animals or culture was natural - but now everything looks like a protocol shot sad
  10. Patriot
    Patriot 29 May 2012 10: 45
    +5
    Hello. By the way, it is very funny to hear this from a representative of the Kremlin gang. Moreover, given the fact that his godfather once said: "Yes, privatization was illegal. But we will not revise its results." A strange statement, however.

    So, I dare to consider such statements by Rogozin as:
    1- exclusively populist,
    2- emulated work
    3- aimed at further redistribution of ownership of the above strategic enterprises.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 29 May 2012 14: 34
      +4
      -Patriot-
      There will not be a review of privatization decisions; voluntary compulsory contributions will be made to recognize the privatized values ​​as legitimate.
      1- Partly, yes, but it was announced after the election, which means that work is already underway.
      2- you probably will not know 90% of what he really does, since most of it is not covered, because under the heading, in the best case, is chipboard.
      3- this also requires economic thought, if I don’t know the reasons for such a decision, it does not mean that it is not correct or vice versa.
  11. atos_kin
    atos_kin 29 May 2012 10: 46
    +4
    Each act has a specific name. As always, no surnames of owners in the process of robbery of key elements of the defense industry. And then the defense ministry cannot agree on the prices of defense products. These worms will never get drunk.
  12. Heinrich ruppert
    Heinrich ruppert 29 May 2012 10: 59
    +6
    Quote: TehnarMAF
    , and if the "corn" comes very painfully, they will take the cockroach as an ambassador into the darkness.

    Horoho if there. And then the brakes on the machine may fail.
  13. Syrdon
    Syrdon 29 May 2012 11: 48
    +3
    This is the beginning of the company, then there will be business and landing or "heart to heart" and the return of stolen money from offshore companies.
    1. andrew.z
      andrew.z 29 May 2012 12: 00
      +3
      Hopefully. But it will most likely be as usual. Silence ... a little inter-clan showdown to achieve your selfish goals.
  14. vostok
    vostok 29 May 2012 12: 01
    +3
    Well done, Rogozin started to put things in order, I hope the other ministers will not wipe their pants in vain, but will start working.
  15. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 29 May 2012 12: 07
    +7
    Interesting article. Interesting to read the comments. Now about the essence of the question. I am a little in the subject so I will say that everything is not so simple. Because we are talking about the intervention of law enforcement agencies. It doesn't smell like populism. The scheme with sales from a public company was developed back in 1991-1993. An interesting attempt to return property necessary to the state back. Of course, our law enforcement officers are not all "white and fluffy", but a start has been made. Let's wait for the results.
  16. Patriot
    Patriot 29 May 2012 13: 18
    0
    Quote: atos_kin
    atos_kin
    Each act has a specific name. As always, no surnames of owners in the process of robbery of key elements of the defense industry. And then the defense ministry cannot agree on the prices of defense products. These worms will never get drunk.


    I completely agree with you. NOT ONLY THE HEAD OF THIS WORM IS IN KREMLIN. And, NAME IMU Putin and the team!
  17. Patriot
    Patriot 29 May 2012 14: 34
    +3
    Quote: 755962
    755962 (1)
    When will there be real landings?


    And who do you think should plant someone? Is the current power unpunished by itself? You understand that this will never happen!
  18. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 29 May 2012 18: 09
    +2
    New plants need to be built. With new equipment.
  19. Deniska999
    Deniska999 29 May 2012 19: 00
    +2
    The old ones didn’t have to fall apart ...
  20. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 May 2012 19: 13
    +1
    It’s not a sin to adopt someone else’s experience! Here it would be worth recalling how, in his time, he fought corruption and modernized the economy in South Korea, Jeong Hee Pak. The result is obvious - for 40 years from the backward agrarian to the world leader!
  21. AlexMH
    AlexMH 29 May 2012 20: 30
    +4
    Well, Rogozin said. Wow, as he said! Well done! Straight up the whole truth-uterus laid out! And it’s immediately clear what to do - to confiscate the buildings of the Tupolev firm from private traders, drive out tenants, where elite residential buildings were built - to demolish and build workshops again, managers who sold everything, lure them from abroad, arrest, collect money and execute (put ). And immediately peace and splendor will return, and engineers and scientists will be resurrected, and machine tools will rise from the dust, and a designer will appear out of nowhere, and planes will come out of workshops in orderly rows and take off into the sky. Does anyone believe in all this? As one plumber used to say in a joke, "The system needs to be changed." And atk is just a concussion.
  22. Stenka
    Stenka 29 May 2012 23: 23
    +5
    Quote: veteran.air force
    For example: on May 24, 2012 at the Domodedovo airport a press briefing was held on the prospects for the development of cargo transportation in Domodedovo and three sides were presented: 1. Boeing 747-8F Air Bridge Cargo. 2. An-124-100 Ruslan. 3. IL-76TD-90VD of the company (The construction of a new cargo terminal is currently underway at the airport, the construction completion and commissioning of which is scheduled for the end of 2013.)

    I'm afraid the reason for Boeing's victory is not in LTX machines, but in the fact that the Russian aviation industry is unable to mass-produce cars like the plan. As a factory worker, I tell you this, the very one where Ruslans used to be assembled, and today they are trying to collect silts. "Ruslans" are dead. Il-76TD-90VD (aka 476) does not work, the flight model, in my opinion, at the beginning of 11, should have taken off, but in fact there is a half-dead man in the shop. although a lot of money has been invested, the communists probably would have built Buran with this money
    1. VAF
      VAF 30 May 2012 01: 25
      +3
      Quote: Stenka
      I’m afraid the reason for the Boeing’s victory is not in LTH cars,


      You say it right, but ... on this site more than half belong to the category of people whom I call URAYapatrioty and ODOBRYAMSY (this is according to K. Raikin).
      I tried at first. Long ago it was somehow to convince people to tell that the Chupa-Chups wrappers that they feed us are not that. what actually. we are rolling into such darkness a cockroach that .... but this is all "useless", _ GOOD NEWS, URYA, WE WILL SHOW, etc ...
      but to whom and what we show .... commercial break.
      So look, you’ll get there. Like I’m in disgrace and you will be an eternal private !!!
      You correctly say about 476, they wanted it in December, then they postponed it to April 2012, and after 2 days June .... and silence .....!
      But then 50 Ruslanov and 50 A-50U and 100 Il-476, etc. etc. and all by 20. no in time for 18.a in general at 15 already .....!
      So LAZY! drinks
  23. VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 May 2012 00: 50
    +3
    Quote: Stenka
    I’m telling you as a factory worker

    Well! It is always better to have information, as well as initiative, at first hand! Well, as for "incapable of mass production", here my friend you went too far - MAYBE, it only depends on the desire and corruption of individual individuals.
    1. VAF
      VAF 30 May 2012 01: 29
      +2
      Quote: VadimSt
      Well! Information, like initiative, is always better to have first-hand!


      Well, when I talked about this 3 months ago. It wasn’t first-hand and everyone branded it a shame ..... but now .....
      and think about it if I oppose such facts with numbers. who do not write on the Internet. So I'm in something right ???
      But think about it ......

      Quote: VadimSt
      Well, what about "incapable of mass production"


      This expression did not mean, but the fact that there was a lack of capacities and qualified personnel, and ...... all that you listed further! +! drinks
  24. Sergey Levanov
    Sergey Levanov 30 May 2012 09: 18
    +3
    And here the question arises: -And who did this? In the 90s and 2000s.
    1. Andriuha077
      Andriuha077 31 May 2012 17: 39
      -1
      They will now say that Yeltsin did the same in 2000. To which accomplices erect monuments today.
  25. Patriot
    Patriot 8 June 2012 13: 10
    0
    And here are the next achievements of the military-industrial complex!
    I don’t understand something of the corrupt Kremlin media.

    IN ONE SOURCE WRITE:

    Strategic Missile Forces successfully launched ballistic missile RS-12M "Topol"
    warsonline.info - On June 7, the Strategic Missile Forces conducted a successful test launch of the RS-12M Topol intercontinental ballistic missile from the Kapustin Yar firing range in the Astrakhan Region. Missiles hit a conditional target at the Sary-Shagan training ground in Kazakhstan

    http://warfiles.ru/8411-rvsn-proizveli-uspeshnyy-pusk-ballisticheskoy-rakety-rs-
    12m-topol.html

    HERE ON THE OTHER:

    Israelis mistook Poplar launch for UFO
    Residents of Israel, Lebanon and a number of other states in the Middle East on the evening of June 7 saw an unidentified flying object in the sky. A luminous ball appeared in the sky over Israel at about 20:45 local time. Israeli scientists believe that the glow was the result of a failed launch of the Russian Topol ICBM.

    Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/08/06/2012/654266.shtml


    On the eve, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said that the Topol was launched from the Kapustin Yar training ground in the Astrakhan region. The video filmed in the area of ​​the missile launch showed parts of it falling to the ground. However, the video was removed from the popular video service just a few minutes after it appeared.

    NEXT NAGLE, NASTY, CINICULAR AND UNLOCKED LIES!
    What do you say, people? How do you like it?
    Glory to Putin GIVE IT ANOTHER 300 YEARS TO THE AUTHORITY. TO IT FINALLY DISPOSAL OF RUSSIA! URAAA, COMRADE
  26. Gonoriy
    Gonoriy 21 March 2015 14: 39
    0
    It is hardly believed that the state will be able to return the lost.